Good episode captured my interest more then some of the other episodes have. Poor Stiles :( I liked the reaction to what he did O'brien pulled it off really well. I liked seeing real genuine fear and regret in him because it was his first actual kill on this show. I don't think he will walk this one off which is realistic. Although to be fair I didn't feel bad that kid died he was awful and wanted to murder the Sheriff's son who had nothing to do with his dad's past actions as a young cop.
Theo. Stop. Just stop. I want him to die so bad. Nice attempt to get Malia on your side. Ugh. I hope everyone see's Theo for what he is eventually and gets rid of him especially Scott.
Liked the call backs to old first season version of everyone. Stiles obsessed with Lydia, Lydia being the bitchy popular girl who thought everyone was just freaks or nerds before she was supernatural herself and nice. Love a nice Lydia/Stiles friendship moments and wanting to protect each other. Please never go the route of them liking each other beyond as friends ever again. I love their friendship and genuine concern for each other as friends and supernatural fighters.
YOU SONS OF BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DON'T YOU DARE BREAK STILES AND MALIA UP, DO NOT DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dahne: I dont think in a million years Stiles would have ever of killed someone before he was taken over by the Nogitsune. While it inhabited him he got to experience every cruel thing it did and I think that is still with him. Sure the Nogitsune is out, but its legacy in Stiles remains. Stiles I think since then has been capable of this. Sure it might shock him to the core and I think Malia will smell it on him but he did what he had to do.
He just would of attempted to flee in seasons 1 and 2.
No.. I just think he views what he can do differently. I think there is a reason it possessed Stiles. It had a choice of Allison or Scott also and it chose Stiles simply for the reason that it saw something in him it could corrupt and use, more than it did in Allison (which lets be honest was a better fighter and perhaps strategist than Stiles) and Scott (perhaps controlling an Alpha was too hard.
Ive always thought that Stiles was this shows answer to Xander from Buffy. Xander got dark towards the end of the show. This isnt the end for Teen Wolf but Stiles is going the same way.
Agreed. I have no shame in saying if O'brien left the show I am out. Sorry show but no Stiles no me. I love the main interactions of him and his dad, his friends etc. It helps the actor does a great job with the role and takes it from goofy friend of season one to proving he's seriously good and season three really proved that for me the most. Stiles is the most emotional, well rounded one of the show for me and the most human and vulnerable too. I like all the supernatural characters including Scott, Kira etc but I just can't help but love their human sidekicks the most especially when they are played well by their actors and have interesting stories to show.
Possibly. it would be safe to say that Wesley was well.. character most likely to just disappear or be killed off until he went bad half way through Angel. He was if not comic relief, close enough.Wesley also had fighting skills. Stiles does not.
I'm not sure why Theo is trying to lay the moves on Malia. What sort of agenda would he have with her that could get him what he wants? I don't even know what Theo wants or his role in all of this.
Yep, i don't know why it came to me now, i guess since the poll SpoilerTV put out about the funny side-kick/friend/partner. I started think about comic reliefs that that had serious arcs and never left and Stiles was at the top of the list among Fitz and Jemma from SHIELD.
I think he's trying to get rid of Stiles or make Scott not trust Stiles so he can get in with Scott and take his alpha powers for the steampunk scientists.
I agree. I view Stiles as the less goofy, obnoxious Xander of this tv show. Xander wasn't as good of an actor although I did enjoy him but their characters have similar traits: they are the human, vulnerable ones of the group, they start off goofy or funny but do get pretty dark when they have to over time and even Xander did on Buffy eventually. Neither is particularly strong at fighting or kicking ass like their supernatural friends and they know but they try hard anyway. They are both suspicious of others when even their supernatural fighting friends aren't always as suspicious and they are loyal to their friends so they do all the background searches for them or look out for their friends even when not asked.
I dont know, I think Nicholas Brendon did a lot with what he had. He was for lack of a better term how Joss Whedon viewed himself at that age. The same mannerism and views etc as Joss has discussed in interviews.
Xander was so-so, that's why i liked Angel better, their humans were all kinds of badass. Even Fred and Wesley, they turned from the bookish researchers to people to feared.
I do think the nogitsune experience deepened Stiles. He's certainly not the naive kid he was in the beginning, but I also think a lot of this has to do with self-defense. He didn't shoot him or stab him. He worked to save himself and the consequences ended with Psycho being dead. I think if he thought he had the opportunity to flee, he would have done so here too but he really did not.
That being said, Stiles is definitely harder than he used to be. It's in they way he doesn't outwardly agree with Malia, he does defend her point of view sometimes. It's in the advice he sometimes gives Scott. He wanted Scott to kill some of the major bad guys in their lives because he has an us versus them mentality now. I still think this will haunt him though and if they do not follow through with some kind of emotional or psychological trauma from this I wil be very upset. Not only can Dylan O'Brien handle the scenes but it will be like wiping it away. There are some things no show shold ever just gloss past, and someone killing someone else for the first time is a big one.
I'm not sure I agree that the nogitsune saw Stiles as more corruptible. I think it goes back to Deaton saying that they needed to close the door as quickly as possible and Stiles could not do it. I'm not sure if it was his innate curiousity or the unresolved issues he has with his mother's death (or the fact that Jeff Eastin wanted to give Dylan something he could sink his teeth into), but he was more vulnerable to the supernatural. I think he still is and I'd be willing to bet that the steampunk scientists have visited more than just Malia and Lydia before.
Neither do I and I think that is what separates them in the end. There's too many secrets and lies in the pack as a whole now and it's putting them right where Theo wants them. I do hope that he informs his dad before the end of the season though because no kid should go through that on his own.
Because last season was about money woes. This season is about secrets and the break down of even the strongest relationships. I'm hoping Jeff is breaking them down to put them back together at the end and we'll all cheer at a stronger pack. However if they are not back and strong as ever before 5A finishes, I'm going to be majorly ticked and ALL the socks are going to be thrown.
Yep. He's the one the are going to use to take down Scott. However what I want to happen is for this to be a big gang war between the steampunk scientists and Former Triclops with Scott's pack are the fodder in the middle.
Idon't think it will be a triangle for long. They have 5 episodes to reveal Theo as the evil douchebag he really is. I'm not even sure the show itself will have Malia liking Theo as anyting more than a friend because these promos love to tease one thing and then deliver something completely different. I don't think it will be Theo getting between Stiles and Malia as much as it Stiles and Malia getting in the way of Stiles and Malia, if that makes sense.
Personally I will not be shocked one iota if we find out that Deaton was the Big Bad all along. He never gives them info they need until the last possible second, his past is super shady. he was the worst emmissary to Derek that the world has ever known, and he gets out of Dodge right when the steampunk scientists make their big move. Lilith and I have a running thing about what shady thing Deaton did this week.
To tie into the normal anxiety high school seniors feel seems to be the theme but I still say every one of these characters is playing slightly out of character, slightly out of tune if you will, and if that doesn't become a plot point in the end I'm going to be frustrated. You can't suddenly change characters or heighten certain aspects of them without having a definite reason behind it and since this is Beacon Hills, that reason ought to be supernatural.
That's exactly why I want this to ultimately be between the steampunk scientists and him. This is an old fight, way before this pack and it should stay that way. Triclops trying to use the pack with the steampunk scientists trying to get rid of anyone who could help Triclops. It makes a logical sense. Plus if they really are trying to get Scott's power to amplify their own then it's in Triclops' interest to stop that. I see Triclops as a potential enemy of my enemy but still most definitely an enemy. I think the reason he's pushing Lydia so hard is because he needs her to be his third eye again. He has lost that part of his supernatural power and Lydia is the only way he can get the information he wants. Since he's crazy and a sociopath, he's not above a little trepanning.
I'm going to vote Awesome for just about any episode that throws Lydia and Stiles together investigating something and generally being the smartest two people in the room.
Don't mind Stiles cute little romance with Malia nor Lydia's attraction to Parrish. Because what Stiles and Lydia share goes deeper, and will last longer.
Wow. I added Dylan O'Brian to my list of Emmy worthy actors that get overlooked because of their show's genre or network during season 3B. He was fabulous again. I think I get why Donovan had to be such as asshole (and why do I think that the truth of the situation when Donovan's father got shot was Stilinski saying "Wait for back up." and Donovan's father ignoring him and then refusing to accept responsibility for the consequences.?) Sorry, I digressed again. Um. I think I get why Donovan had to be such an asshole. Everything about the guy and the situation said to me Stiles did the right thing. If he hadn't Stiles would be dead instead of Donovan. (how creepy were the teeth on the neck?) And I can see how Scott can look at it and think Donovan was a victim. That said..when the inevitable discussion about the situation happens...I'm on Stiles' side.
Just looked back at my notes and it occurred to me...Stiles was also preaching taking in back up when he refused to let Lydia go into Eichen house without backup. Which turned out to be especially genius because Kira and Scott couldn't go with her after all.
I liked the Kitsune being used to disrupt the locks. I don't think that extra eyeball is going into the trash. I can't wait to see what that ends up being used for. I love the Intake Orderly's reaction to the Dread Doctor's entry. Must hide! For that matter I loved the Doctor's reaction as well. "I can!" (leave Kira laying on the floor helpless! What's that quote.... 'Those who run away live to fight another day?' or something like that.
Okay, let's see a show of hands of anyone who thinks Malia is anywhere close to leaving Stiles. No one? Didn't think so. But when Stiles find out. Not good.
I did like the way that they handled the I love you thing between Kira and Scott. and I really loved the Kitsune pointing to the sword.
I have ended a lot of eps this season needing to watch them again so that I can take in all the story bits.
I didn't see this sequence that way. Stiles did run. He was trying to get away. He was fighting for his own survival not to take out the enemy. Stiles didn't pull that pin *knowing* it would kill Donovan. He pulled it to get him off his leg. He couldn't have known the scaffolding would impale the guy.
As soon as Stiles got into the school I started saying ... 'Call Scott.' After reading you comment I was thinking that Season 1 & 2 Stiles would have run for hole to hide in and wait for Scott to come rescue him. But now I wonder if it would have been more interesting if Stiles had NOT dropped his phone and made the decision to fight this fight on his own without calling Scott.
I don't think it's going to be a triangle (Malia ain't gonna give that boy a second thought.) What it will do is give Stiles yet another reason to hate Theo in the face of Scott giving him the benfit of the doubt.
On second thought. Maybe it is a triangle. It's not not Malia/Theo/Stiles. it's Stiles/Theo/Scott.
Wow,great episode! ...so the telluric currents are in play again and Kira (her fox) can interfere them. That means she could possibly be the only one(beside Jennifer Blake) that could stop the dread doctors bc they were able to cross the mountain ash when they walked into Eichenhouse and needed Kira to stop/interfere the telluric currents to do so. Talking about the dread doctors....did anyone of you notice that the teenagers the have taken so far all had problems with their parents( the kids felt alone,were insecure or angry) and were troubled?
Another just ok episode for me. First time I thought Stiles was acting OOC/ dumb. Really we are hiding secrets now.
I wish Scott could give a fear presence to people. Like when that guy asked for all their belonging. Shit the Dread Doctors didn't give a sh!t. I bet If Derek was with them he would say no and just walk in. We need some bad ass in the team and with 2 gone someone should rise up.
And I think I see the Doctor's bitch plotting something using Malia.
Also at the end Lydia and Stiles saying it's our responsibility to take care of all this. That good you realized that. Buts it's been the packs responsibility for a while now, just ask uncle Ben.
Oh it is definitely a Stiles/Theo/Scott triangle and I do not approve at all. Everyone in Beacon Hills should know by now to trust Stiles and trust Lydia. If they did, it wouldn't be so painful. I don't think Scott is going to trust Theo for long though. I think that Stiles' own issues over Psycho are going to come between Scott and him more than Theo at this point, but they have set that up.
This is how I saw it too. Stiles did not intend to kill Psycho. It was self-defense and not even intentional self-defense. He was trying to get free and Psycho died as a result. It was more like accidental self-defense.
I have no idea why Lydia was able to go through the mountain ash either, except that's what the plot wanted. My Twitter feed blew up asking the same question. All I can say is that mountain ash lore is more wonky than werewolf powers on this show.
I don't like those loopholes, especially when they are shipper related. I mean we barely know anything about Banshees but the mountain ash thing was way to . . .
Was he suppose to be an emissary to Derek? I know he was to Talia but nothing indicates that gets passed down. Wasn't there also a comment from Morrell about how he was in retirement from that field of work?
This episode was intense n very good. I've been waiting for my Stiles/Lydia scenes n this episode delivered. I love those two n it was great to see them team up again.🗽
It's the same with the Fringe cast, everyone on that cast deserves an Emmy award but because of their genre they're ignored. You really think Stiles and Malia are 100% safe? Not good about what?
Yeah i saw that, although does Tracy count, her father was a good father. The Docs aren't able to cross to Mountain Ash? They may no be fully human but they're still human, like lydia, she may be supernatural but she's not supernatural at the same time.
Yes, I saw that and he sounded like he was joking more than declaring a season long storyline. I take these statements with a grain of salt because, even when an actor or showrunner is telling the truth, the execution vs. the interpretation of a statment made in an interview can be vastly different. One recent example is Marta on Stitchers. The teasing statements made about her character could be interpreted as a season long arc and it turned out to be a single episode.
I do not believe for one second that Malia has a wandering eye. That's very different from saying the couple is 100% safe. There are several ways that Stiles could ruin that relationship that don't involve Malia actually getting involved with Theo.
I dont get why everyone is confused by the fact that Lydia was immune to the mountain ash. It was previously stated that her banshee grandmother protected her house with mountain ash and left some for Lydia. Deaton and the Darach were immune to the ash also so its possible that only the animal like supernaturals are affected by it.
I feel like if it does happen it could certainly work now that Stiles obsessive infatuation became something real after actually getting to know her. Before it seemed like he was in love with the idea of her. I like Stalia as a couple though even if they were brought together in the most random way possible.
Upon reviewing the scene Im starting to view it more your way.
A) I still think a pre nogitsune Scott would be calling Scott almost immediatly. The fact they didnt either means Davis wanted a more cat and mouse scene or Stiles thought he could look after the situation himself
B) I think Stiles was getting angry when he started to get called a Cowards son. Its one emotion Ive never really seen Dylan Play with Stiles.. pure anger. I think thats as close as we got.
Her reactions in the library read to me like she was sizing Theo up...wether she should walk away or talk to the guy, because she'd been listening to Stiles talk about the guy.
I think you're right about the bulk of the issues between Stiles and Scott are going to be a larger issue. What I'm thinking is that it may not be so much the specifics of Scott trusting Theo but... (just an example theory) Stiles rants about Theo going after Maila and Scott saying you're over reacting....Malia would never go for that....and Stiles having a huge reaction to that.
I should've put alpha in inverted commas.I was referring to when he took up Kira and walked with her although she was electrocuting him .That showed his willingness to do what had to be done despite him being hurt in the process.
Good question. Either from being a banshee, family lineage, or what the Dread Doctor's did to her during her surgery. At least, those are my theories :)
Because she's basically human, unlike the Weres on the show,she has no accelerated healing, enhanced strength,etc. She essentially a human with psychic abilities.
The thing is that the Dread doctors did this recently to her and she wasn't aware of it but she wasn't surprised she could pass through the mountain ash.
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Talk about a cold open. Wow! The whole episode was intense. I'm definitely liking the odd numbered episodes this season.
ReplyDeleteGood episode captured my interest more then some of the other episodes have. Poor Stiles :( I liked the reaction to what he did O'brien pulled it off really well. I liked seeing real genuine fear and regret in him because it was his first actual kill on this show. I don't think he will walk this one off which is realistic. Although to be fair I didn't feel bad that kid died he was awful and wanted to murder the Sheriff's son who had nothing to do with his dad's past actions as a young cop.
ReplyDeleteTheo. Stop. Just stop. I want him to die so bad. Nice attempt to get Malia on your side. Ugh. I hope everyone see's Theo for what he is eventually and gets rid of him especially Scott.
Liked the call backs to old first season version of everyone. Stiles obsessed with Lydia, Lydia being the bitchy popular girl who thought everyone was just freaks or nerds before she was supernatural herself and nice. Love a nice Lydia/Stiles friendship moments and wanting to protect each other. Please never go the route of them liking each other beyond as friends ever again. I love their friendship and genuine concern for each other as friends and supernatural fighters.
I've finally come to the realization that Stiles is DEFINITELY, without a doubt not the comic relief anymore.
ReplyDeleteNot for awhile now.
ReplyDeleteYOU SONS OF BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DON'T YOU DARE BREAK STILES AND MALIA UP, DO NOT DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteDahne: I dont think in a million years Stiles would have ever of killed someone before he was taken over by the Nogitsune. While it inhabited him he got to experience every cruel thing it did and I think that is still with him. Sure the Nogitsune is out, but its legacy in Stiles remains. Stiles I think since then has been capable of this. Sure it might shock him to the core and I think Malia will smell it on him but he did what he had to do.
ReplyDeleteHe just would of attempted to flee in seasons 1 and 2.
You need the Dread Doctors to cure your hypermania :)
ReplyDeleteYeas i do, ARGH!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteSo you think the Nogitsune left an effect on Stiles, a fight instinct and not flight?
ReplyDeleteI thought maybe he still was but not since Season 3B, it's just like Fitz and Jemma in SHIELD, they've made Liam the comic relief now.
ReplyDeleteNo.. I just think he views what he can do differently. I think there is a reason it possessed Stiles. It had a choice of Allison or Scott also and it chose Stiles simply for the reason that it saw something in him it could corrupt and use, more than it did in Allison (which lets be honest was a better fighter and perhaps strategist than Stiles) and Scott (perhaps controlling an Alpha was too hard.
ReplyDeleteIve always thought that Stiles was this shows answer to Xander from Buffy. Xander got dark towards the end of the show. This isnt the end for Teen Wolf but Stiles is going the same way.
Jeff Davis certainly found a gem the size of MOUNTAIN when he hired Dylan O'Brien.
ReplyDeleteLiams MEGA ANGER Surge has more or less gone. Completely.
ReplyDeleteXander huh? I can see that but the way he's going and if he goes the whole way, i'd see Wesley when he turned dark.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. I have no shame in saying if O'brien left the show I am out. Sorry show but no Stiles no me. I love the main interactions of him and his dad, his friends etc. It helps the actor does a great job with the role and takes it from goofy friend of season one to proving he's seriously good and season three really proved that for me the most. Stiles is the most emotional, well rounded one of the show for me and the most human and vulnerable too. I like all the supernatural characters including Scott, Kira etc but I just can't help but love their human sidekicks the most especially when they are played well by their actors and have interesting stories to show.
ReplyDeletePossibly. it would be safe to say that Wesley was well.. character most likely to just disappear or be killed off until he went bad half way through Angel. He was if not comic relief, close enough.Wesley also had fighting skills. Stiles does not.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure why Theo is trying to lay the moves on Malia. What sort of agenda would he have with her that could get him what he wants? I don't even know what Theo wants or his role in all of this.
ReplyDeleteYep, i don't know why it came to me now, i guess since the poll SpoilerTV put out about the funny side-kick/friend/partner. I started think about comic reliefs that that had serious arcs and never left and Stiles was at the top of the list among Fitz and Jemma from SHIELD.
ReplyDeleteYeah so it makes Stiles' descent more brutal as opposed to Wesley's efficient because of his skills that like you said Stiles doesn't have.
ReplyDeleteWhat human sidekicks? THere is only one. Stiles!. Everyone else is supernaturaled.
ReplyDeleteI think he's trying to get rid of Stiles or make Scott not trust Stiles so he can get in with Scott and take his alpha powers for the steampunk scientists.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think? The pack's strongest when they're together and Stiles is a big part of that. By doing this he's destabilizing the Pack's structure.
ReplyDeleteMason.
ReplyDeleteSo you're still on theo being the Docs success story?
ReplyDeleteI hardly call killing one Freak a Descent. Stiles will internalise it and question why he did it but still think he did the right thing.
ReplyDeleteCompletey forgot Mason. So he has official entered Sidekick land now? cool.
ReplyDeleteWhich he did and i don't think anyone can disagree right? If you were on the same position would you do the same thing? I know i would.
ReplyDeleteI probably would have run :) Im more Stiles season 1
ReplyDeleteHuh, i wonder what that says about me LOL, am i creepy?
ReplyDeleteTheo creepy! :)
ReplyDeleteI agree. I view Stiles as the less goofy, obnoxious Xander of this tv show. Xander wasn't as good of an actor although I did enjoy him but their characters have similar traits: they are the human, vulnerable ones of the group, they start off goofy or funny but do get pretty dark when they have to over time and even Xander did on Buffy eventually. Neither is particularly strong at fighting or kicking ass like their supernatural friends and they know but they try hard anyway. They are both suspicious of others when even their supernatural fighting friends aren't always as suspicious and they are loyal to their friends so they do all the background searches for them or look out for their friends even when not asked.
ReplyDeleteVery mean! LMAO!!!
ReplyDeleteI dont know, I think Nicholas Brendon did a lot with what he had. He was for lack of a better term how Joss Whedon viewed himself at that age. The same mannerism and views etc as Joss has discussed in interviews.
ReplyDeleteXander was so-so, that's why i liked Angel better, their humans were all kinds of badass. Even Fred and Wesley, they turned from the bookish researchers to people to feared.
ReplyDeleteI do think the nogitsune experience deepened Stiles. He's certainly not the naive kid he was in the beginning, but I also think a lot of this has to do with self-defense. He didn't shoot him or stab him. He worked to save himself and the consequences ended with Psycho being dead. I think if he thought he had the opportunity to flee, he would have done so here too but he really did not.
ReplyDeleteThat being said, Stiles is definitely harder than he used to be. It's in they way he doesn't outwardly agree with Malia, he does defend her point of view sometimes. It's in the advice he sometimes gives Scott. He wanted Scott to kill some of the major bad guys in their lives because he has an us versus them mentality now. I still think this will haunt him though and if they do not follow through with some kind of emotional or psychological trauma from this I wil be very upset. Not only can Dylan O'Brien handle the scenes but it will be like wiping it away. There are some things no show shold ever just gloss past, and someone killing someone else for the first time is a big one.
See you go looking for action. I love the slower moments in Teenwolf. The ones just before the fighting when they are working stuff out.
ReplyDeleteHuh i guess that's true, i still love those scenes EXCEPT the fox.
ReplyDeleteI agree. THe death will haunt him and I dont think he will tell anyone about it to begin with.
ReplyDeleteHE better tell Mali because she knows what he's been through even if she didn't know what she was doing.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure I agree that the nogitsune saw Stiles as more corruptible. I think it goes back to Deaton saying that they needed to close the door as quickly as possible and Stiles could not do it. I'm not sure if it was his innate curiousity or the unresolved issues he has with his mother's death (or the fact that Jeff Eastin wanted to give Dylan something he could sink his teeth into), but he was more vulnerable to the supernatural. I think he still is and I'd be willing to bet that the steampunk scientists have visited more than just Malia and Lydia before.
ReplyDeleteLiam is whatever they want him to be in the script as long as it is always super special.
ReplyDeleteDeaton would should be a likely target for the Dread Doctors. He is after all the font of knowledge of most things in Beacon Hills
ReplyDeleteI would hope it will bring them closer but I think there will be more secrets and lies before they get there.
ReplyDeleteYes, i was kinda sad they dropped his anger Issues. Would of been interesting to see how it played out.
ReplyDeleteBut they already went through this, why do it again?
ReplyDeleteNeither do I and I think that is what separates them in the end. There's too many secrets and lies in the pack as a whole now and it's putting them right where Theo wants them. I do hope that he informs his dad before the end of the season though because no kid should go through that on his own.
ReplyDeleteBecause last season was about money woes. This season is about secrets and the break down of even the strongest relationships. I'm hoping Jeff is breaking them down to put them back together at the end and we'll all cheer at a stronger pack. However if they are not back and strong as ever before 5A finishes, I'm going to be majorly ticked and ALL the socks are going to be thrown.
ReplyDeleteI hope you're right, you know i though Davis hated triangles but here it is.
ReplyDeleteYep. He's the one the are going to use to take down Scott. However what I want to happen is for this to be a big gang war between the steampunk scientists and Former Triclops with Scott's pack are the fodder in the middle.
ReplyDeleteValack's still a threat, remember present day.
ReplyDeleteIdon't think it will be a triangle for long. They have 5 episodes to reveal Theo as the evil douchebag he really is. I'm not even sure the show itself will have Malia liking Theo as anyting more than a friend because these promos love to tease one thing and then deliver something completely different. I don't think it will be Theo getting between Stiles and Malia as much as it Stiles and Malia getting in the way of Stiles and Malia, if that makes sense.
ReplyDeleteYeah that definitely makes sense and i i don't like it, why 5 specifically?
ReplyDeletePersonally I will not be shocked one iota if we find out that Deaton was the Big Bad all along. He never gives them info they need until the last possible second, his past is super shady. he was the worst emmissary to Derek that the world has ever known, and he gets out of Dodge right when the steampunk scientists make their big move. Lilith and I have a running thing about what shady thing Deaton did this week.
ReplyDeleteIt would have made him more interesting than he currently is.
ReplyDeleteTo tie into the normal anxiety high school seniors feel seems to be the theme but I still say every one of these characters is playing slightly out of character, slightly out of tune if you will, and if that doesn't become a plot point in the end I'm going to be frustrated. You can't suddenly change characters or heighten certain aspects of them without having a definite reason behind it and since this is Beacon Hills, that reason ought to be supernatural.
ReplyDeleteThat's exactly why I want this to ultimately be between the steampunk scientists and him. This is an old fight, way before this pack and it should stay that way. Triclops trying to use the pack with the steampunk scientists trying to get rid of anyone who could help Triclops. It makes a logical sense. Plus if they really are trying to get Scott's power to amplify their own then it's in Triclops' interest to stop that. I see Triclops as a potential enemy of my enemy but still most definitely an enemy. I think the reason he's pushing Lydia so hard is because he needs her to be his third eye again. He has lost that part of his supernatural power and Lydia is the only way he can get the information he wants. Since he's crazy and a sociopath, he's not above a little trepanning.
ReplyDeleteSO basically another Peter? Because you just kind f described Peter.
ReplyDeleteHaha I was just about to mention that. I'm thinking they probably experimented on Peter though.
ReplyDeleteExactly. I don't tink it's a coincidence they were put in the same cell together.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to vote Awesome for just about any episode that throws Lydia and Stiles together investigating something and generally being the smartest two people in the room.
ReplyDeleteDon't mind Stiles cute little romance with Malia nor Lydia's attraction to Parrish. Because what Stiles and Lydia share goes deeper, and will last longer.
EXCUSE ME WHILE I FREAK OUT OVER MY OTP. THAT'S ALL. What is a Stalia, anyway? LOL
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Well she's hot and he's a guy. Plus it would f*ck with Stiles.
ReplyDeleteDread Doctors.
ReplyDeleteScott's the only Jesus Wolf around here bud.
ReplyDeleteI dont think so. He seems like hes incredibly sane and in control. It would certainly be a twist.
ReplyDeleteI havnt seen Lilith for ages!
Compared to his Nogitsune experience anything else is chicken feed though isnt it ? :).
ReplyDeleteMaybe thats the theme this year. Secrets and Lies. Its something if Derek was still there he wouldnt stand for.
Ohhh dear Dylan O'Brien great things expect U. Great things and I can't wait to see how U execute them. He is such a marvelous actor.
ReplyDeleteGreat episode overall and I really look forward to see how they'll finish this chapter, only 5 eps let for the first half to end.
Wow. I added Dylan O'Brian to my list of Emmy worthy actors that get overlooked because of their show's genre or network during season 3B. He was fabulous again. I think I get why Donovan had to be such as asshole (and why do I think that the truth of the situation when Donovan's father got shot was Stilinski saying "Wait for back up." and Donovan's father ignoring him and then refusing to accept responsibility for the consequences.?) Sorry, I digressed again. Um. I think I get why Donovan had to be such an asshole. Everything about the guy and the situation said to me Stiles did the right thing. If he hadn't Stiles would be dead instead of Donovan. (how creepy were the teeth on the neck?) And I can see how Scott can look at it and think Donovan was a victim. That said..when the inevitable discussion about the situation happens...I'm on Stiles' side.
ReplyDeleteJust looked back at my notes and it occurred to me...Stiles was also preaching taking in back up when he refused to let Lydia go into Eichen house without backup. Which turned out to be especially genius because Kira and Scott couldn't go with her after all.
I liked the Kitsune being used to disrupt the locks. I don't think that extra eyeball is going into the trash. I can't wait to see what that ends up being used for. I love the Intake Orderly's reaction to the Dread Doctor's entry. Must hide! For that matter I loved the Doctor's reaction as well. "I can!" (leave Kira laying on the floor helpless! What's that quote.... 'Those who run away live to fight another day?' or something like that.
Okay, let's see a show of hands of anyone who thinks Malia is anywhere close to leaving Stiles. No one? Didn't think so. But when Stiles find out. Not good.
I did like the way that they handled the I love you thing between Kira and Scott. and I really loved the Kitsune pointing to the sword.
I have ended a lot of eps this season needing to watch them again so that I can take in all the story bits.
I didn't see this sequence that way. Stiles did run. He was trying to get away. He was fighting for his own survival not to take out the enemy. Stiles didn't pull that pin *knowing* it would kill Donovan. He pulled it to get him off his leg. He couldn't have known the scaffolding would impale the guy.
ReplyDeleteAs soon as Stiles got into the school I started saying ... 'Call Scott.' After reading you comment I was thinking that Season 1 & 2 Stiles would have run for hole to hide in and wait for Scott to come rescue him. But now I wonder if it would have been more interesting if Stiles had NOT dropped his phone and made the decision to fight this fight on his own without calling Scott.
"I just think he views what he can do differently." I love that sentiment.
ReplyDeleteI don't think it's going to be a triangle (Malia ain't gonna give that boy a second thought.) What it will do is give Stiles yet another reason to hate Theo in the face of Scott giving him the benfit of the doubt.
ReplyDeleteOn second thought. Maybe it is a triangle. It's not not Malia/Theo/Stiles. it's Stiles/Theo/Scott.
I just think they've (with the exception of Liam and his holes) dialled back the humour.
ReplyDeleteI mean, Coach isn't even in season 5.
Wow,great episode! ...so the telluric currents are in play again and Kira (her fox) can interfere them. That means she could possibly be the only one(beside Jennifer Blake) that could stop the dread doctors bc they were able to cross the mountain ash when they walked into Eichenhouse and needed Kira to stop/interfere the telluric currents to do so. Talking about the dread doctors....did anyone of you notice that the teenagers the have taken so far all had problems with their parents( the kids felt alone,were insecure or angry) and were troubled?
ReplyDeleteAnother just ok episode for me. First time I thought Stiles was acting OOC/ dumb. Really we are hiding secrets now.
ReplyDeleteI wish Scott could give a fear presence to people. Like when that guy asked for all their belonging. Shit the Dread Doctors didn't give a sh!t. I bet If Derek was with them he would say no and just walk in. We need some bad ass in the team and with 2 gone someone should rise up.
And I think I see the Doctor's bitch plotting something using Malia.
Also at the end Lydia and Stiles saying it's our responsibility to take care of all this. That good you realized that. Buts it's been the packs responsibility for a while now, just ask uncle Ben.
Jeff Davis, thank you for one of the best and extremest seasons of Teen Wolf yet.
ReplyDeleteI don't like having to worry about Stiles! If Stiles goes, I go!
That's very true too. I kind of miss the humor and I definitely miss Coach.
ReplyDeleteDerek was a master at secrets and generally not telling anyone anything until he absolutely had too. I don't think he could say much on the subject.
ReplyDeleteOh it is definitely a Stiles/Theo/Scott triangle and I do not approve at all. Everyone in Beacon Hills should know by now to trust Stiles and trust Lydia. If they did, it wouldn't be so painful. I don't think Scott is going to trust Theo for long though. I think that Stiles' own issues over Psycho are going to come between Scott and him more than Theo at this point, but they have set that up.
ReplyDeleteThis is how I saw it too. Stiles did not intend to kill Psycho. It was self-defense and not even intentional self-defense. He was trying to get free and Psycho died as a result. It was more like accidental self-defense.
ReplyDeleteI have no idea why Lydia was able to go through the mountain ash either, except that's what the plot wanted. My Twitter feed blew up asking the same question. All I can say is that mountain ash lore is more wonky than werewolf powers on this show.
ReplyDeleteI don't like those loopholes, especially when they are shipper related.
ReplyDeleteI mean we barely know anything about Banshees but the mountain ash thing was way to . . .
Well I guess because Banshees don't have overt supernatural shifting or chatacteristics physically?
ReplyDeleteWas he suppose to be an emissary to Derek? I know he was to Talia but nothing indicates that gets passed down. Wasn't there also a comment from Morrell about how he was in retirement from that field of work?
ReplyDeleteThis episode was intense n very good. I've been waiting for my Stiles/Lydia scenes n this episode delivered. I love those two n it was great to see them team up again.🗽
ReplyDeleteactually please do, id love to finally explore Stiles adn Lydia xD
ReplyDeleteyea it is possible that Theo is the Guy that is gonna absorb Scott's power.
ReplyDeleteWow you're right, there's not as much one-liners as in Seasons 1 and 2.
ReplyDeleteI'd take theo/Scott/Stiles, but in a Comic-Con interview Dylan said it,it was a TVLine interview.
ReplyDeleteIf everyone listened to Stiles, we'd have no show.
ReplyDeleteYeah you're right, Banshees may be supernatural but they're pretty much human, no accelerated healing, no enhanced strength, etc.
ReplyDeleteYeah you're right, Banshees may be supernatural but they're pretty much human, no accelerated healing, no enhanced strength, etc.
ReplyDeleteGreat episode! And the groundwork for Stydia has begun!
ReplyDeleteIt's the same with the Fringe cast, everyone on that cast deserves an Emmy award but because of their genre they're ignored. You really think Stiles and Malia are 100% safe? Not good about what?
ReplyDeleteYeah i saw that, although does Tracy count, her father was a good father. The Docs aren't able to cross to Mountain Ash? They may no be fully human but they're still human, like lydia, she may be supernatural but she's not supernatural at the same time.
ReplyDeleteDonovan would've been the Doc's bitch, theo is nowhere near their bitch.
ReplyDeleteWhen did Scott prove he as an Alpha in this episode?
ReplyDeleteboth the same to me.
ReplyDeletethis show is falling off
ReplyDeleteYes, I saw that and he sounded like he was joking more than declaring a season long storyline. I take these statements with a grain of salt because, even when an actor or showrunner is telling the truth, the execution vs. the interpretation of a statment made in an interview can be vastly different. One recent example is Marta on Stitchers. The teasing statements made about her character could be interpreted as a season long arc and it turned out to be a single episode.
ReplyDeleteSo glad to see this reply because I could not for the life of me figure out who "Former Triclops" was. lol
ReplyDeleteI like your theory btw.
I do not believe for one second that Malia has a wandering eye. That's very different from saying the couple is 100% safe. There are several ways that Stiles could ruin that relationship that don't involve Malia actually getting involved with Theo.
ReplyDeleteI dont get why everyone is confused by the fact that Lydia was immune to the mountain ash. It was previously stated that her banshee grandmother protected her house with mountain ash and left some for Lydia. Deaton and the Darach were immune to the ash also so its possible that only the animal like supernaturals are affected by it.
ReplyDeleteI feel like if it does happen it could certainly work now that Stiles obsessive infatuation became something real after actually getting to know her. Before it seemed like he was in love with the idea of her.
ReplyDeleteI like Stalia as a couple though even if they were brought together in the most random way possible.
Upon reviewing the scene Im starting to view it more your way.
ReplyDeleteA) I still think a pre nogitsune Scott would be calling Scott almost immediatly. The fact they didnt either means Davis wanted a more cat and mouse scene or Stiles thought he could look after the situation himself
B) I think Stiles was getting angry when he started to get called a Cowards son. Its one emotion Ive never really seen Dylan Play with Stiles.. pure anger. I think thats as close as we got.
I still think Derek would of been able to hold the pack together a little better than what is happening now.
ReplyDeleteBut that look in the library?
ReplyDeleteHer reactions in the library read to me like she was sizing Theo up...wether she should walk away or talk to the guy, because she'd been listening to Stiles talk about the guy.
ReplyDeleteI think you're right about the bulk of the issues between Stiles and Scott are going to be a larger issue. What I'm thinking is that it may not be so much the specifics of Scott trusting Theo but... (just an example theory) Stiles rants about Theo going after Maila and Scott saying you're over reacting....Malia would never go for that....and Stiles having a huge reaction to that.
ReplyDeleteI should've put alpha in inverted commas.I was referring to when he took up Kira and walked with her although she was electrocuting him .That showed his willingness to do what had to be done despite him being hurt in the process.
ReplyDeleteOh ok
ReplyDeleteGod i hope you're right!
ReplyDeleteWhy?
ReplyDeleteGood question. Either from being a banshee, family lineage, or what the Dread Doctor's did to her during her surgery. At least, those are my theories :)
ReplyDeleteBecause she's basically human, unlike the Weres on the show,she has no accelerated healing, enhanced strength,etc. She essentially a human with psychic abilities.
ReplyDeleteThere isn't basically Human, she is supernatural and mountain ash should prevent supernatural beings from passing.
ReplyDeleteThe thing is that the Dread doctors did this recently to her and she wasn't aware of it but she wasn't surprised she could pass through the mountain ash.
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