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19 Jul 2015

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  1. Justin Baptista19 July 2015 at 04:04

    Fantastic payoff to the Hannibal-fugitive arc. My favorite moments would have to be Mason finally meeting his end and Will's goodbye to Hannibal which Hannibal undermines by turning himself in.

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  2. Debsterforever19 July 2015 at 04:06

    THIS WAS SO UNBELIEVABLE AWESOME.

    I hoped that Hannibal will "decide" to be caught. But I didn't believe that it could happen this way. I can't wait to find out how all this turns out in the season finale.

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  3. DiabetesMan19 July 2015 at 04:10

    This was the best episode of the season. So many great moments. Chiyo's sniping, Mason's new face, Mason's comeuppance, the "break up" scene, etc. And now finally we are getting the Red Dragon story.

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  4. DaltonJ19 July 2015 at 04:30

    Masterful episode. Fantastic performance by Katherine Isabelle in particular, who really played the hell out of one of the most disturbing moments of the series so far. I also want to praise Joe Anderson for his Mason Verger performance, which was stellar throughout his run.

    A review: http://polarbearstv.com/2015/07/18/hannibal-digestivo-review-3x07/

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  5. DarthLocke419 July 2015 at 05:01

    Fantastic ending to this chapter! Glad they went with the novel version with Margot, but oh the Eel tank instead of the flesh-eating pigs was brilliant change, although we still got a pig! (much more sexaposition and nice wink back to themes/concepts in 2.08). Will Graham was carried by Hannibal, but I am glad it was a subtle way and not so grand like with Clarice! Also glad Alana helped Will and Hannibal kept his promise. Also VERY VERY glad to know that Hannibal did not kill Mischa either in this version, despite the eating her difference. The final scene with Chiyoh was really beautiful too--Perhaps a mystical end to the overtly surreal presentation of reality!


    My only little gripe was Hannibal turning himself in, instead of someone catching him. The only thing that would fix it, is if Hannibal called a certain someone we're about to meet in between scenes, being incredibly upset by what Will said to him (and paralleling the Pilot with GJH). Other wise it takes the sense out of the next plot where what happens to Will is concerned.


    On to the Red Dragon!!!! XD

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  6. Tekka19 July 2015 at 06:35

    glad I'm not the only one who didn't like the hannibal not getting caught part.

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  7. Tekka19 July 2015 at 06:41

    Amazing episode, def the best of the season so far. loved the eel, hannibal's hammer time, will's bite and the face-off. also loved how they topped the main-in-a-horse with baby-in-a-pig, that was extremely disturbing.


    the end I didn't like though, it felt really out of character for hannibal to do that.

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  8. Graydon19 July 2015 at 06:41

    I liked Hannibal turning himself in. Even in the end, he needed to maintain control over his fate. To deprive Jack and Will of the satisfaction, and really rub in that they didn't catch him. He still had his freedom in that choice.

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  9. Graydon19 July 2015 at 06:42

    Loved him doing that.

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  10. Sahmeran19 July 2015 at 08:21

    Great episode but one thing confused my mind: Hannibal was killing Will when the police (bought by Mason Verger) came in but after he saved Will (as he promised to Alana), why did he surrender? It's not a consistent behaviour. OK, you kept your promise but surrendering for someone that you just tried to kill? I didn't undertsand this. Did he realize that he wouldn't go on his life without Will or something?...

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  11. Titania100019 July 2015 at 09:11

    I agree: that was the only way to get behind bars such a powerful and evil villain and keep him his aura of intelligence and power. Hannibal is the devil, he's smoke. He can't be caught in the traditional way. He's where he wants to be, waiting for his time to come out. Although Chiyoh played a big part too in his decision.

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  12. maplewhite191219 July 2015 at 09:15

    I'm in love with everything and I don't know what else to say.

    That was the suspense and tension I have ever felt from a single episode of TV. I can't believe people don't watch this show. Never before has a TV show made me gag, want to scream and look away, and yet be totally unable to avert my eyes for a second.

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  13. Bazooka19 July 2015 at 10:17

    I believe that he saw that killing Will wasn't the answer he was looking for and he actually can't live without him. He surrendered so that Will can find him when he comes to the same conclusion.

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  14. Sahmeran19 July 2015 at 10:23

    Yes, it could be. Actually, Will's letting Hannibal know that the police was coming for him at the end of season 2 was out of Will's character but this season, he confessed Jack that Hannibal was his friend. As far as I understand, one part of Will likes Hannibal because of his fractured mind and wants to be connected to him secretly.

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  15. Bazooka19 July 2015 at 10:40

    There is something that makes Will understand killers so good and he considers it a gift which helps him in his job and a curse that makes him feel like he's broken human. With Hanni it's even more complicated, because they clearly like each other and slowly become more like each other.

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  16. Sahmeran19 July 2015 at 10:46

    Yes and it was also weird for me that Jack didn't kill Hannibal this season and I was very curious about the reason. He explained to Will that he wanted to save Hannibal for Will. It was a bit far-fetched for Jack not to kill Hannibal while he had the chance. This (along with the things in my other comments above) were the three things that have been confusing my mind about the series but in some degree, the series answered them :)

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  17. iabanon19 July 2015 at 11:17

    This season has been tedious. I stopped after half-way through the fourth episode. Truely disappointing. There seems to be nothing going on, but exposition and harking back to the last season. Bored, bored, bored.

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  18. Bazooka19 July 2015 at 11:30

    That's what makes this show so good -it makes people think and question things. Sadly not everyone can appreciate it.

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  19. Tekka19 July 2015 at 12:49

    if you stopped halfway episode 4, how can you have an opinion about this episode?

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  20. Snowe19 July 2015 at 13:45

    WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL. I love this show.

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  21. AvonleaMist19 July 2015 at 15:59

    Right, I am wondering how they can mix what Hannibal said to Will here with what he tells D to do to Will in the Red Dragon arc - maybe a change comes in his hopes ? And how did we go from Hannibal wanting to destroy Will's brain and eat him to sitting casually with him obviously wanting to be best buddies again. I realize he promised Alana but he went from not just not killing him to wanting a shared life - was it merely a result of their experience with Mason's hospitality ?

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  22. DarthLocke419 July 2015 at 16:28

    I think it will have to be more that he cares more about being the master of other fates rather than his own, because he can't let go...


    For me the problem lies in that Bryan Fuller even established what the novels do, in that he prides his own freedom above [just about] everyone else's with the season 2 Finale. Hannibal was very upset to learn that Will would take his freedom and confine him to a prison cell, which is why he gutted them and left...


    And now we have a 3 year time jump--so if Red Dragon is true to form and Hannibal still sends DF after Will and his family, then the rage in seeking his revenge is completely watered down both by his choice to be captured and by time...unless he ploted right before he allowed himself to be captured.


    The only other difference is that by placing some of the Hannibal plots and themes as a prequel to Red Dragon, Fuller establishes a "corrupt" FBI early, which might give Hannibal some leverage--although I would like to know, who would believe Hannibal's story anyways and it's not like the FBI/Government couldn't censor him. And there is still Chilton to contend with.


    The characters just had so many moments where they said one thing and turned around and did something contradictory to it, it's hard to know where anyone's mind really was. For Hannibal, I'm just not sure what exactly changed outside of Will Graham becoming passive?? It's almost like Hannibal wants to mirror him now instead of the other way around.


    So you are right in that he thinks he can prove smarter and more controlling by doing this, forcing the others to stay in his life (although Jack Crawford came to apprehend Hannibal with the FBI and did not kill him, suggesting he can not kill him either), but it defuses the Red Dragon story a bit, which is what I don't like.

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  23. DarthLocke419 July 2015 at 16:36

    In the novel Red Dragon, he is caught.


    The scene with Marian Lass discovering Hannibal in his office combined with the [personified] season 2 finale blood bath are both scenese that play to how Hannibal was caught in Red Dragon film/novel.


    In the novel Will discovers Hannibal is the Chesapeake ripper when he goes through his cook book. Hannibal attacks him from behind by ramming an arrow through Will's gut. Will is able to get his gun and shoot Hannibal several times. They both pass out and we jump ahead a few years after Hannibal had been incarcerated.


    Then he almost gets caught again in the Hannibal film adaptation of the novel. Clarice was able to hand cuff him, but he takes butcher knife and cuts his own hand off and flees the scene. (In the novel they end up together instead)


    He''s not any devil, he is John Milton's devil--a very human character, who had horrible things happen to him as a child...

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  24. DarthLocke419 July 2015 at 16:48

    It just seems like this will underwhelm that plot, unless something changes for Hannibal or he pre-plotted.


    Graydon has a point, in that he might have surrendered, because he somehow feels that continuing to control these people, allows him to think he could still be in control of his own fate in proving himself super clever, but for me, I still find his inability to let go, to this dramatic of a point, a strange choice, especially since the novels and even the season 2 finale pointed out how vital his freedom is to him...


    Titania100 above brought up that Chiyoh might of played a role in his obedience too, but I swore she said she was ok with him being a a free beast and promised to watch over him (I probably should rewatch it again)---it's like going back to that idea about waging war with God, he needs to be needed in order for there to meaning. And the minute the most important people in his life tell him, he's free, he no longer wants it (I would of thought he would of been too smart for reverse psychology, but maybe he hit a brand new low?)


    The only other thing that I thought of is if he thought he would be safer imprisoned. That while all this was going on, someone from his past threatened to come after him...

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  25. Graydon19 July 2015 at 17:00

    Yes, but Hannibal knew he was going to be able to run forever, so he took the last of his freedom and used it to go on his own terms. I believe his revenge in this will be motivated by the loss of Will's friendship. I'm pretty sure Jack was just doing his job, he's not Will. (Who himself just broke off their friendship) He doesn't have some affection for Hannibal holding him back, he just chose to get back up and do it the right way like he planned a year ago.

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  26. AvonleaMist19 July 2015 at 17:05

    I thought Chiyoh had changed from what she told Bedelia about caging him and told Hannibal on the porch that some beasts should remain free. It was a nice scene on the porch but overall I thought Chiyoh 's arc was not as fully realized as it should have been - they had the right actress and settings but left a hollowness to her portrayal. There has been a lot of contrary behavior and you are right that we shall never figure it all out. Fuller said in an interview that the back half of the season will be of a more narrative nature and the first half had to be more trip-y because they were all traumatized by the events of the Season 2 finale.

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  27. DarthLocke419 July 2015 at 17:08

    Hannibal doesn't know that just as anyone doesn't know that. It's a deluded idea in any case. He could easily get involved with other people elsewhere, but it's because these people have become so PERSONAL to him. They reminded him of all the pain he tried to put away and now he feels it and he can't let go of them....but apparently he will be wrong about Will Graham, which is why he will play Jack, by keeping his promise to Alana and attempt to finish what he came to realize he needed to when in Florence with Bedelia...


    Jack never planned to kill Hannibal himself that is why this isn't to Jack's dissatisfaction and/or Hannibal didn't take anything away from Jack, just Will. (You said he took it away from both jack and Will)

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  28. DarthLocke419 July 2015 at 17:12

    Ya. I think Chiyoh more than the rest played to an almost unreal entity, very mystical and mysterious nature, which I really liked, but like everyone else, her motives seem the most contrived and the most non consistent or illogical, but her final moments with Hannibal and when she walkes away in the snow was so beautiful regardless of the true nature behin it!

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  29. Graydon19 July 2015 at 17:46

    It's Hannibal Lecter. It's a just with changes to the story. Interpretation of a character varies from person to person, not everyone will see him differently. It's not how he gets behind bars in the same way as Red Dragon. But why would anyone want that? We've seen that. Adaptations are their own thing, they have to be unique or different in their own way. Or else what's the point. Of them. But this is Dr. Lecter.

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  30. Tekka19 July 2015 at 18:01

    One other tiny thing that's bothering me is the whole Mischa story (or lack thereof). ok so Hannibal didn't kill her, but he did eat her. I'm really missing the "why" part. Why was she killed (let's assume the dragonfly-guy did it) and more importantly, why did Hannibal eat her? in the Hannibal Rising movie (haven't read any of the novels) it's explained, she was killed to eat because there wasn't anything else to eat, and hannibal chooses eating her over dying from starvation. All of this with the backdrop of WWII. So what's the motive in Bryan Fuller's adaption?

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  31. DarthLocke419 July 2015 at 18:01

    True, but Fuller has used so much of the novels for his adaptation that it seems to weird to dramatically and suddenly change it right here. Everything was clear until the beginning of this season...


    The problem lies is that almost all the characters motives from 3x01-3x07, except for Jack's and Hannibal's (until the end of 3.07) are not clear. -Which goes hand in hand with themes in the Hannibal novel, because the reasons Clarice change are not clear, but it could make the Red Dragon story not as good, because it makes Hannibal seem more of wet rag, rather than catching him by a miracle and then watching him plot his revenge, despite that Wlll Graham was clever or lucky enough to catch him.


    Letting himself get caught takes away from the wrath of Hannibal, unless there are other changes being made to find a way to re-beef him back up and/or still has a master plan, or it took him longer to mourn and become traumatised yet again, than everyone else, but without knowing that, it seems ridiculously unHannibal to give into these chess pieces, knowing that he is "suppose" to have a good reason for sending Francis after Will...

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  32. DarthLocke419 July 2015 at 18:13

    It just kind of takes the stuffing out of Hannibal's revenge.


    After discussing it so much on this thread, I'm just going to hope they still come up with another good or logical reason behind Hannibal's motives with Francis Dolarhyde in relation to this choice, otherwise it just seems a bit silly making his relationship with Will become redundant and contrived, feeling a bit fan-fic.


    They could have good reasons for this change, but without knowing what they are, it makes me think we could loose a lot perspective on what made Red Dragon so compelling.

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  33. DarthLocke419 July 2015 at 19:27

    Exactly.

    My theory has been that he would make Robert Lecter an long term antagonist, making him behind the death of Mischa and perhaps even Hannibal's parent's deaths, something involving an eating Ritual. To the point where I was hoping he would entangle Robert with Clarice, where he has an opportunity to save Clarice, the way he couldn't Mischa--and reveal this version's backstory as we went on (like a slow unfolding). Unfortunately I don't think we will ever get to see it.

    I laid it all out here:http://hannibalfoodforthought.blogspot.com/2015/06/speculation-theories-for-seasons-4-5.html

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  34. jp119 July 2015 at 19:28

    Great episode. Loved seeing Verger FINALLY get his

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  35. Graydon19 July 2015 at 19:41

    Will's I say were clearer toward the end, he wanted to deal with grief and pain Hannibal caused him and did so first by hallucinating Abigail. Then by confronting Hannibal, forgiving him, and finally letting go of his friendship. At first he himself clearly wasn't sure (and even tried to kill Hannibal as a way too deal with him), but he in the end wanted to just be rid of Lecter. And Alana's were simply not entirely revealed until 3x06. But we knew most importantly that she wanted revenge on Hannibal. That's speculation. We don't know how it would affect Hannibal wrath or anything. If anything he could be more wrathful since Will rejected their friendship and turned his back on him. And as we see when someone does that to Hannibal (like in Mizumono) he's incredibly vengeful. His reason will most likely be one of vengeance to make Will pay for throwing his love and friendship away and for putting him in a position where he lost his freedom. That is very Hannibal. For all we know he's merely biding time, and (at least in regards to turning himself in) knew he couldn't run given the circumstances and that there was little point (even in Florence he willingly risked his freedom by drawing Jack and Will to him) instead deciding to go on his own terms in a way that made Jack know and demonstrate that they still didn't catch him, he turned himself in. In that way he's still superior to them.

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  36. Tekka19 July 2015 at 19:51

    haha, we seem to agree on everything when it comes to this show ^^


    the name Robert Lecter doesn't ring a bell, that's Hannibal's uncle? was he in any of the movies?


    that blog looks interesting, I'll give it a proper read when I have the time.


    I don't really expect to get the awnsers from what's left of the show either. However, if Bryan's plan of a feature film happens, showing the murder/eating of Mischa would be a really cool way to start that movie imo.

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  37. DarthLocke419 July 2015 at 20:55

    Will's motives make perfect sense here, Hannibal's do not. When Hannibal is caught it makes perfect sense that when Dolarhyde connects back with him, he has an opportunity to set his world right again, now that it was his choice to be where he is, he does not have that excuse to exact revenge upon seeing Will again, which is why I'm saying, I hope there is something else that gives with that, otherwise, it seems silly that Hannibal even wasted his time with this.


    My expectations would be different if
    1.Bryan Fuller did not follow suit from source material in regards to how the character "should" feel about his own freedom on the season 2 finale. (established in show)


    2. He would of never said he wanted to introduce Starling in any capacity, that Will would just be Clarice.


    3. This was intentionally the final season where it parallel's the Hannibal novel in concept of unclear motives by having it be true to it's ending in that we leave off with the crazy-dizzying demented fairy tale of the unknown to forever ponder, except that loves transform all, the end. (Because the Hannibal time line has a clear narrative and then works it's way up to that and ends it)


    But that's not the case. To invert that here, and say "surprise", he's cool with it now, makes it much harder to understand why Hannibal does this to himself and then turns around and does this to Will unless he hit a serious low point and/or he planned ahead the minute Will told him he can leave. It's strange that he gets to have things that he wanted (like his books) and then suddenly get mad at Will after 3 years, when he's the one that put himself here!


    He could still be superior without turning himself in. He could just find any of his patients and send them after Graham, He doesn't need to be inside a cell to do that. Especially since 3 years go by with Chilton torment...

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  38. Conrad Stonebanks19 July 2015 at 21:02

    Perhaps the Kardashians is more to your liking.

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  39. Conrad Stonebanks19 July 2015 at 21:03

    "It makes people think and question things."



    Provided they have the mental capacity to do so. Given the ratings for Hannibal, few people seem to qualify.

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  40. DarthLocke419 July 2015 at 21:04

    Robert is his Uncle and was a light protagonist in the novel Hannibal Rising, who is killed shortly after being introduced. The film version skips him over all together, because it was something that would be easy to cut out for time.

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  41. Conrad Stonebanks19 July 2015 at 21:05

    " it felt really out of character for hannibal to do that."


    Knowing Hannibal, he already began work on a new "design", to come to its conclusion at the end of the Red Dragon arc.

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  42. Conrad Stonebanks19 July 2015 at 21:09

    "I hoped that Hannibal will "decide" to be caught."


    Everything the Chesapeake Ripper does is calculated.

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  43. Graydon19 July 2015 at 21:19

    Perhaps we should wait before we speculate on the context, mindset and motives of characters before Red Dragon. Because again this isn't a straight lift it's a adaptation. But if we are speculating, again it seems like he'll be angry because Will broke off his friendship with him. Hannibal's intelligent but he's not some omnipotent God (unlike how he often sees himself). He couldn't have escaped or gotten anyway after the muskrat farm stuff. He had no plan, no way of escape, no new identity nothing. And instead he chose to save Will and honour his agreement with Alana. Which Will then took away from him by rejecting Hannibal. Which (along with probably never visiting him would probably infuriate Lecter). So in that last ditch effort to rub it in surrendered to Jack to at least maintain some superiority. He would've been caught no matter what. But instead he did so on his terms. We don't fully know what the circumstances will be in the next episode but thankfully we aren't waiting much.

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  44. Natalya Al Todd19 July 2015 at 21:24

    Besides the options above in the poll, you should add "Spectacularly awesome" option, I would choose that

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  45. MorbidPet19 July 2015 at 21:39

    Even without Gillian A it was outstanding :D

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  46. DarthLocke419 July 2015 at 21:50

    Yes, but Hannibal's surrender does not jive with being mad at Will Graham, because he already knows Will wants to cut himself off prior to doing so. That thing in particular seems like a disconnect, because we know from the season 2 finale (and people who are already fans) that Hannibal would pretty much rather die, then be confined to a prison cell.


    So even though I agree, just like the novel, part of Hannibal's motivation for wanting DF to kill will Graham is about the loss of their friendship and jealousy, but it only made sense or feels so climatic, because Will also caught him, took his freedom away, moved on, and FD just provided Hannibal an opportunity to course correct this, but Hannibal isn't stewing like this because Will Graham made him stew there, he is now stewing because he put himself there--It just does not have the same effect -- there is a lack of momentum and climax by going in this differently and demoting Hannibal way down, because he now possibly lacks sense or reason and is not who he was. It gets down to asking what Avalon Mist did, which is what the heck happened between either between 2.13 and 3.7 and or really 3.06 and 3.07 that made Hannibal change THIS much to defy his own former beliefs? Was it being so close to death? Was it a realization that he just loves them all to much to ever let them go, is that why he kept his promise and helped Margot with Cordell and Mason? Or was it simply Will Graham walking away and wanting to be separate? The whole season has been like this, very hard to get underneath their motivations as they flip-flop around and are half-backed about everything!


    But like you said, and I have been discussing, there could be things that still make this make sense and not have Hannibal seem so far removed from himself, but I hope there is something more to it, then a shrug.

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  47. DarthLocke419 July 2015 at 22:03

    I can see how it is tedious in some sense, because it is hard to get underneath the characters in this segment, and to some degree, it was kind of nuts to put these parts of Hannibal here, because it kind of draws their relationship(s) out to an unnecessary extent, especially since there is still a lack of explanations about all the "whys" of their ever changing choices, but it was still very beautiful and horrifically thought provoking!! There was so much to think about even just looking at the whole aesthetic in relation to context and subtext Rather unbelievable use of imagery!


    I was never bored though, always very curious, because most the characters were not the same as they once were...

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  48. Graydon19 July 2015 at 23:43

    The season two finale didn't prove that he'd rather die than be incarcerated, merely that he values his freedom and is a vengeful person. But as pointed out in Mizumono Will changed him, made him feel that kind of affection he once felt for Mischa. An affection that wounded him in season three, and to rid himself of such emotion by drawing Will to him, relishing in that feeling of friendship upon their meeting at the art gallery, but then committing himself to eat him after Will tried to stab him. It was that warped but still existent friendship which in part caused him to help them. That Hannibal is a man of his word. If he agrees to do it, he will. He didn't want to die. All the motivations seem consistent if briefly conflicted (for characters like Will and Hannibal which is the point their friendship affects their judgement) just often another part is revealed. That's why I liked how 3x07 ended. The climax was all Mason's death and the escape from Muskrat farm. The resolution was the break-up and capture. I love how that was done in particular, as Hannibal because he chose to be honourable in the pact to escape, and saved Will choosing to prioritize Will and that friendship over a more pragmatic escape, showed that Will got to him. He changed him, made him more fallible (though again even if Hannibal didn't save Will he'd still probably be caught only with maybe a day or so less time spent in custody). Then watching Hannibal because of the despicable things he's done finally after his most noble deed ever, lose the one person besides Mischa he ever truly cared about and seeing that anger, despair; as well as his resolve crumble was just great. Hannibal in my opinion in that moment realized that he gave up his freedom for some one who doesn't want him anymore and it broke Lecter (he just looks defeated after Will ends their friendship). Then I loved though how he again regained some control (or as much as he could) by giving his self up. Thereby depriving Chiyoh, Jack or the FBI of forcing him into a cage. I loved how Will in that way is partially responsible for his imprisonment (same with Hannibal being the other half- he was becoming too perfect in everything he does, which is why I loved how his relationship with Will since around mid-season two has been causing him to make mistakes and actually experience errors). Which is why I think his manipulation of Francis will be driven at Will's "rudeness" over his saving him and rejecting him. Again we know nothing about Hannibal's motivation in regards to Red Dragon, deeming it poor without seeing is unfair in my opinion.

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  49. greenUtopia20 July 2015 at 00:12

    this episode made me want to strangle NBC for cancelling the best tv show that will ever grace their network :(

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  50. iabanon20 July 2015 at 01:09

    Right, so because I found this season tedious, and I'm right, I must like something vapid like the Kardashians. I've never seen their show and I never will. I have books in my library on Quantum physics and reprogenetics. I have books written by Kafka, Joyce and Dostoyevsky and I own a dictionary. Do you? You're a real dickhead Conrad.

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  51. DarthLocke420 July 2015 at 01:58

    I was not talking about the climax of episodes 3.1-.07, I was talking about the one going forward----The momentum of RED DRAGON's story is lost, because Hannibal is not a prisoner by force, but by choice.


    I just rewatched the comic con promo. It seems that Hannibal did not pre-plan Dolarhyde, because we see them come into contact as if they had never met before in "current" time, not a flashback.


    In season 2 finale, If you listen to the sound of Hannibal's voice when he says, "You would confine me to a prison cell." Followed by Will Graham telling Hannibal he has already changed Hannibal too---that is when things truly ensue, as he kills Abigail as an immediate result, to punish Will for his ignorance and lack of trust, but because he also doesn't want to recognize any changes! (Bryan Fuller explained after the finale that he just had a big hissy fit)


    It's how you know how incredibly hurt he is by even the idea of being caged. Hannibal did not change straight away either, except for being a little sad when he is in Florence, not until this very moment. He followed through with his typical standards, until we get to Verger's farm...and then everything is turned upside down again, but for him specifically, why? What changed in a matter of hours or days?


    So it might be more of a sign of a delayed response to the fact he did change...but it still does not explain the motive in the change of his feelings, because the whole season lacked clarity behind what any of them truly wanted...


    But, yes. I'm done. Let's not speculate until we see a little more.

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