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POLL : What did you think of Hannibal - Dolce?

10 Jul 2015

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30 comments:

  1. DiabetesMan10 July 2015 at 04:05

    I hope Mason gets a real violent death but he has been a great villain. Good episode and I am glad we are getting closer to Red Dragon.

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  2. AvonleaMist10 July 2015 at 04:22

    Amazing episode. That kaleidoscope of Alana and Margot was set to perfect music. Could Chiyoh be any more contradictory in her actions. I imagine next week's episode will not be for the squeamish - not that any episode of Hannibal is, mind you. Did anyone else jump when Hannibal cut Jack's achilles ?

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  3. NYImpact41410 July 2015 at 04:26

    A real WTF if I have ever seen one!

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  4. DarthLocke410 July 2015 at 04:40

    This one was my least favorite of the season. Took some things a little too far for my tastes. Characters (Will, Jack, and Hannibal) seem a bit too out of wack with each other for me to believe they will go back to being able to move on from this. It just seems to insane for me to suspend disbelief that someone like even Jack can just go back to work after that.


    However, nice to get some clarity on Chiyoh. I think she and Jack are a bit more philosophically aligned. Mason, Margot, Cordell, and Alana were great. Like the Kaleidoscope-Hindi-like love scene. (Very trippy all around actually) Bedelia and Chiyoh's conversation was cool too! ("You are his psychiatrist."/ "I thought Will Graham was Hannibal's biggest mistake, but now I think you are.")and I love how Bedelia is able to keep on moving forward!! (I am really looking forward to episode 10).


    Just kind of wish they would of saved the prelude to Paul Krendler scene for someone who I think more deserved it or made it a dream sequence for Hannibal in 3.08, although they did not show the whole thing, so maybe Hannibal still would of done that somebody else sometime later??


    Next week's should be fantastic though now that Mason thinks he has was he wants! "Goodie! Goodie!"

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  5. DiabetesMan10 July 2015 at 04:42

    It seems like they are setting up for a Margot take down of Mason.

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  6. DarthLocke410 July 2015 at 04:54

    Yes!!! Just like in the novel, unless the writers were planing on dragging Mason out further and going beyond the novel (Margot actually mentioned his potential arrest, which was something I didn't expect to hear, especially from her)!! But I think this version will have a lot of multi-turn arounds, because the press release indicates that pretty much all the characters end up at the farm/factory and I think despite new relationships, they all might have a lot mixed feelings for old friends...

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  7. maplewhite191210 July 2015 at 06:03

    This show has always been gorgeous, but the intro, lesbian kaleidoscope, and the drugged up Will Graham mindfuck brought it to a whole new level. And every other scene was also super well done in less obvious ways.

    Will and Hannibal's reunion scene was perfect. The acting, the dialogue, the slowed down Aria Goldberg Variations. The agape relationship between these two characters is what makes the show for me. As great as everything else is, nothing compares to them having a conversation.

    It pains me that I only have seven more weeks with these two.

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  8. AvonleaMist10 July 2015 at 06:06

    Did Chiyoh shoot Will to save Will himself from killing Hannibal or to save Hannibal?

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  9. nobody10 July 2015 at 07:08

    This was Gillian Anderson's episode! As brilliantly/beautifully produced/filmed as this episode was Bedelia's scenes really stood out. What did we learn this episode:
    - Bedelia is a "addict", but a even better manipulator (perfect alibi that Hannibal used drugs to control her).
    - Chiyoh is the "marksmen/guardian angel" of Dr. Lecter.
    - Margot is planning Mason's downfall and having a baby, while her and Alana are in a "relationship".
    Next week's episode................."HANNIBAL'S LAST SUPPER" or "BLUE BOY WILL" (lol)!
    QUOTE OF THE EPISODE: Mason Verger to Will and Hannibal.
    QUOTE: "Welcome to Muskrat Farm!"
    4 THE HANNIBAL SECRET SAUCE, I am Nobody!!!

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  10. Graydon10 July 2015 at 09:19

    Well it'll go like the books with those pigs and all.

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  11. DaltonJ10 July 2015 at 09:35

    Really great episode. Loved that kaleidoscope, as well as all those shifting power dynamics in the final few minutes.

    A review: http://polarbearstv.com/2015/07/10/hannibal-dolce-review-3x06/

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  12. Conrad Stonebanks10 July 2015 at 11:37

    Did Hannibal lift Will's cranium or not? Did he dine on his brains or not? I do know one thing: he wouldn't be able to recover from that for quite some time. Not to mention being shot with a large caliber sniper rifle.

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  13. NeedACleverName10 July 2015 at 12:29

    Was Chiyoh really Hannibal's protector, or did she simply need him to remain alive to receive the reward from Mason?

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  14. DarthLocke410 July 2015 at 15:55

    She said she wanted Hannibal "caged" to Bedelia, so I take it that she wanted to stop Will from killing Hannibal and that is what she has wanted the whole time. The word "save" is definitely an interesting concept to examine here though, because we know how Hannibal feels about his freedom. Chiyoh clearly doesn't want Hannibal to die, but she also wants him taken off the streets and/or punished somehow...(but it's hard to say if she's ok with "US law" either, since we have things like the death penalty and/or we know people can still be abused horribly when behind bars)


    I'm not sure if Chiyoh cares fully about Will Graham on his own. On one hand her belief system could be seen as universal where she just views all premeditated murder as violence and violence is wrong and therefor it doesn't matter who it is. On the other hand Hannibal is family and so maybe there is more person interest fer her value system to be met? It's hard to know when the writers don't give us other avenues to explore to see how she might feel about someone else close to her....

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  15. DarthLocke410 July 2015 at 16:00

    Because Chiyoh doesn't believe in murder as a resolution. It may not be about protecting Hannibal, as a much as it's about not believing in certain kinds of endings. I don't think Chiyoh would approve of Mason either.

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  16. Tekka10 July 2015 at 16:02

    it was a bit too much at some points if you ask me, for instance I couldn't take Margot seriously with those clothes (also where did her scar go?).


    bedelia was absolutely AWESOME tho.


    the ending also was kinda strange, I hope they'll dress the time jump in that last minute next episode.

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  17. DarthLocke410 July 2015 at 16:04

    You reminded me of something I had forgot to mention!


    The Bedelia drug scenario! Was she drugging herself the whole time and/or had Hannibal been doing it prior? In the novel he drugs Clarice, but Clarice doesn't put up any kind of a fight either, but more over, they mad a point to tell us these were the drugs Miriam Lass was on!!! So if this was all Bedelia, then how did she know about Hannibal drugging Miriam Lass???

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  18. AvonleaMist10 July 2015 at 16:06

    Thanks for your comments and taking the time to reply. Fuller has taken a different path than the usual in not giving us motivations for some characters in spite of all the vocal rambling ( I am talking about you ,overly obtuse and verbose Will Graham). Keeping Chiyoh a mystery is compelling and off-putting at once. You mentioned she said she wanted to cage Hannibal but she gave up his room number to Jack - was that knowing Hannibal would overcome Jack or was it willingly giving him up. Not sure. Thanks,again.

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  19. DarthLocke410 July 2015 at 16:20

    Sure. Chiyoh I think is a character who I think is here to muddy the pond on peace, suffering, and justice!


    Ya I am not sure if she knew Hannibal would take Jack Crawford like that and if she's really ok with Hannibal's cannibalism, but the problem also lies in Jack Crawford's motivations. He said,"Maybe I want YOU to kill him." to Will when they met. But the word "maybe" isn't very definitive and so I don't know if that is Jack just underscoring his actual feeling of wanting Will to murder Hannibal out of guilt and/or in fear of ever having someone like Will testify, or if he is seriously in contemplation???? For whatever reason, Jack couldn't do it himself and it just pegs him in a bad light wanting Will do the dirty work for him again, especially since most of us know that he will need Will's help again in the future. But it could also be that he's hoping that letting Will finish what he started might lead Will back to being Will again...

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  20. DarthLocke410 July 2015 at 16:46

    Don't get me wrong, I think the season (or the first 7 episodes) are beautiful in the sense that Fuller is really playing to Stephen Hawking (and Hugh Evrett III) multiple reality/space-time concepts with a very surreal dreamscape-like reality in that what defines and grounds a sentinel being in actual reality is probably a combination of memory sensory and motivations formed from experiences. The episodes are all operating whose real motives are not full revealed, as they preach half-baked philosophies to each other and turn around and do something that can be perceived as hypocritical or counter productive to said philosophy/belief system. But at the same time it's also frustrating, because I feel like I am ready to see where the characters are really going to stand. :D

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  21. DarthLocke410 July 2015 at 16:55

    Ya, I'm thinking Hannibal couldn't have gotten very far--not to "Paul Krendler-esque" status! -But being upside down and seemingly bleeding out from the cuts, doesn't look promising either, considering where we will be the episode after next?! It seems to fantastical for me to suspend disbelief I am kind of hoping we wouldn't see Hannibal carry Will Graham and that maybe it would of saved for later or he picks up someone like Alana or Chiyoh instead, but I think that is exactly what will happen...

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  22. AvonleaMist10 July 2015 at 17:27

    Yes, I am ready to see who or what they each want to preserve. I feel the back half of the season will be a tad less angsty. Interesting to see what take Fuller has on the oft tread Red Dragon material.

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  23. nobody10 July 2015 at 17:44

    Bedelia seems to be intimately familiar with Hannibal's methods (use/type of drugs) would be my guess. As Hannibal's therapist Bedelia appears to know everything he has done or been up to since she was assaulted by the patient Hannibal recommended to her. Another poster suggested that Chiyoh gave Hannibal (Will and Jack) over to Mason Verger for the reward, but I suspect that next episode it will be Chiyoh who will rescue Hannibal from "Mason's Last Supper". Nobody 4 NOW!!!

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  24. nobody10 July 2015 at 17:48

    Does Chiyoh even know about Mason Verger or his "bounty" on Hannibal? Nobody 4 EVER!!!

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  25. DarthLocke410 July 2015 at 18:17

    Ya that is a good possibility. We just never hear them converse over other patients outside of her former patient and Will Graham (She didn't even know who Chiyoh was).


    I'm curious too because the actual back story about her and Hannibal's former patient hasn't really been shown to us only talked about in passing. We saw him briefly lying there dead after the fact, but not any of the altercations between the three characters, leading to the attack itself. (I hear that we may get more about that in episode 10 though Zachery Quinto is suppose to guest star again--hopefully this time we will see him animated!!)


    We don't really understand why Bedelia was willing to go along for this ride and so that makes me suspicious if she is holding way more cards and has way more information, than it appears she does and/or if she wasn't a sociopath/attracted to them prior to the events with her former patient???

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  26. David Galli10 July 2015 at 19:13

    I don't think she was contradictory, she shooted Will (not a kill shot btw) to avoid him killing Hannibal, after all she wants Hannibal caged, not dead. That's how I perceived her motivation.

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  27. AvonleaMist10 July 2015 at 20:26

    But then she told Jack which # room Hannibal was in - that is what I was talking about - how did she know Jack would not kill him . And even if she thought Hannibal could handle himself against Jack ( which he did do ) , it sort of goes against the person she looked to be.

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  28. Natalya Al Todd10 July 2015 at 22:44

    It was spectacular :D love this show

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  29. Tekka12 July 2015 at 22:27

    while I appreciate your insight as to why she dressed like that, I still think it made the whole verger estate look like a dollhouse. this and other small things made the episode come off as a bit silly.

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  30. DarthLocke412 July 2015 at 22:51

    Well I def think some of the characters come off being way out of line, but it might be the point, even though I didn't like all of it, because it takes away from the heart of it all.


    This definitely went to more of where Bryan Fuller tends to go with his other work--dramedy! I recently rewatched his Pilot for High Moon and there have been things all throughout this season reminiscent to the exuberant silliness there, which is fine for High Moon because it starts that way (and will never get finished), but just is a tad too much here, because this began with a mostly serious realness. Now it's like everyone is sucking helium and we are missing pieces of story, as we jump from pairs of characters to pairs of characters who all keep contradicting themselves with silly love antics.


    Granted I like what you said about a doll house though--that is similar to the concept of "pretending" making "fantasy", which I think all the characters are doing, since their motives are unclear and we see them do and align with people that don't make much sense on a glance.

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