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POLL : What did you think of Beauty and the Beast - Both Sides Now?

Jul 24, 2015

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  1. This episode kept you guessing what was going to happen next. Juliana and the assassin working together was a total surprise. Now I am really confused. They admitted to the recent experiments, so now there is still someone else. Help!!! Vin/Cat working together was great. And I am glad he explained why having a wedding was so important to him. They make a better couple when the talk things out.

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  2. Awesome episode, interesting that this Juliana was behind the experiments, but we still don't know who was she talking about. And not to mention Cat beasting out (yes i know it's not what happened), i never thought that i would see it happen.

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  3. Wow, just wow. Watching Cat tonight reminded me a lot of Vincent's downfall in s2. I cringed I just felt so bad for cat and for vincat. It wasn't just the attack on Juliana, though that was hard to watch. It was the whole eloping idea in general. Her supernatural life is finally more important than their happiness, something they've tried to avoid for so long. She was so ready to put her and vincent's happiness on hold, for what, some lame idea, she couldn't have come up with something not as hurtful? if she was so ready to possibly sacrifice something so important as a wedding day, or at minimum something so important to Vincent, maybe they just aren't ready. Same thing I've questioned for a while, does she deserve him? She did at one point, just not sure about now. At least in s2 though, it was obvious the writers were pulling vincent down to push him right back up again, will cat get the redemption storyline? Or will her off behaviour be treated like it was in the last scene, as just one off moment.


    As for Tess and JT, I never saw them as a great couple, much better chemistry as friends. But why did they have to break them up because she was being selfish? I get where she was coming from, everyone wants to be their boyfriend's centre of attention, but she took it too far. Vincent's life was in immediate danger at that moment, and Tess is upset that JT didn't ask her how her day was?


    Why are they continuing to bring the women down so hard this season? I don't know how this would help, but I think it needs a good friendship bonding moment pronto!

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  4. AWESUMUNDO!!! \o/ Epic VinCat action and angst ~ just what I love from #BatB ~ Vincent is just the sweetest awwww! ♥ Who else thinks Cat losing it might be even scarier than V beasting out? I love how she is all seemingly in control and freaks out when she almost loses Vincent ~ her rage is so palpable and dark woah!!! I get CHILLS just watching THAT ~ possibly my favorite scene from this ep! I have to give her MVP for that killer good moment!! Although she might have to share it with JT coming to their rescue ~ another great bit! And BONUS ~ JTnT are broken up ( for now) I'm sure Tess will come crawling back but for now I REJOICE!!!

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  5. It's not so much that Cat wants to put their personal lives on hold but her cop brain and savior complex is her modus operandi ~ she feels that the only way she and Vincent can have their future is to stop the threats first. Also as she kept telling Vincent she doesn't need a piece of paper to cement their bond ~ that's how she thinks because she's logical and not really a romantic ~ besides a lot of people feel that way in real life ~ I'm not big on weddings either even though I am a die hard romantic! That's why when Cat loses it and her confession at the end is even more poignant in its rawness and simplicity. Now she finally realizes how meaningful their wedding ceremony should be especially since they are in constant danger. I loved it. I think BatB is keeping it real and NOT bringing women down at all.

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  6. How can they concentrate on a wedding at this point with that superhuman enhanced robot Juliana sent to kill them. Juliana was very upset that VinCat killed her super assassins Bob and Carol and she wanted to know how it was possible for VinCat to take them down. Juliana was going to kill Vincent and that enhanced superhuman robot of hers gave Vincent quite a going over before he was tranqued. Damn good thing JT followed up his lead and found the lab, rescuing Heather as well. I can't blame Cat for beating Juliana senseless because this woman was a killer and very dangerous. It would be a nightmare if this woman had not been found out and unleased her army of superhumans - Juliana could have ruled the world. I'm hoping that JT and Tess are broken up. Vincent caught Tess' comment about JT always putting Vincent first, and gave her a surprised look. JT will always be there for Vincent, but it's quite obvious that "jealous" Tess isn't the good close friend Catherine thought she was. I hope JT doesn't take her back if she does come crawling back because it was very hurtful the way she left JT just standing there while she walked out on him. Who needs a girlfriend like that. I hope that Vincent and Catherine do have an old fashioned "magical" wedding with all the trimmings, just like the wedding Vincent's parents had. When all is said and done Vincent and Catherine deserve that magical wedding they can remember for the rest of their lives. Question is - when will the time be right? Great episode.

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  7. Did anyone else notice that in the beginning of the episode VinCat where talking about the super powers of the superhuman assassin - windows crash, bullet proof – yet the scene was edited later in the episode ?

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  8. No you're right it's not what happened but that is an APT description of what happened to Catherine, i was actually thinking that ever since i saw it.

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  9. But did you think it was hard to watch Catherine pummel her?

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  10. It wasn't hard for me at all. Juliana deserved what she got and if Catherine could have shot her, it would have been justified too. They were fighting for their lives. I would have pummeled her too if it happened to me. Perfectly justified considering what his insane Juliana was going to do to them. I was very happy to see that Vincent put down the enhanced robotic guy too. It was a great episode. Even had some funny moments when Vincent was visualizing a magical beautiful wedding compared to the sleazy weddings taking place in that awful chapel at Niagara Falls. I'd never want to get married that way - it was cheap. I'm with Vincent about having a lovely church wedding.

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  11. Didn't think about it or notice it - things started moving pretty fast. It all fell into place nicely for me.

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  12. I agree with everything you said. Cat is afraid that she'll lose Vincent the way she did at the end of S1 and in S2. After what they just went through, she understands Vincent's point, so now she wants to celebrate their magical love for each other by having the beautiful church wedding Vincent wants them to have so they can remember it all the days of their lives.

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  13. The thought of Catherine losing Vincent made her "beast" out so to speak. I would have done the same thing if I were in their position. Too bad Catherine didn't kill her off, because I think bitch Juliana recovers in the next episode and it looks like she's talking to Vincent about this is never going to stop (or something to that effect).

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  14. Same here, i would've done the same if i were in Catherine's position, but they still need information on who Liam is and what he's capable of because he looks like he enhanced himself into a superbeast as well.

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  15. I get deserving it but seeing Catherine almost beating someone to death is a whole other thing, she wouldn't have stopped if Heather didn't call her name. She definitely "beasted" out in her own way and it was hard to watch, for me at least. I thought you WANTED them to elope LOL.

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  16. I don't get what she means, can you explain it?

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  17. There's a lot more investigating they have to do into these superman experimental people. The threats they face are very real, very smart, and very hard to fight since they're dealing with people with enhanced strength and God knows what else. This last superhuman was even immune to bullets - even Vincent said "He's got me there". How can Catherine even think about a wedding until they tie up who else is out there and wants to kill or capture Vincent. I'm also hoping that JT doesn't take Tess back - his loyalty is to Vincent and he can't have this needy jealous bitch Tess holding him back from protecting his friend. I get the feeling Tess is very jealous of Catherine at this point - she wants what Catherine and Vincent have. All Tess has right now is her promotion to Captain and she can't handle it. She still has Catherine to thank for the successes she's had in her new job right now.

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  18. I think she's referring to a scene they showed in the promo when Catherine shoots the superhuman hoodie guy, but he doesn't go down and crashes through a window and they see him running away. They didn't play the scene in the episode, but it was in the promo.

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  19. Yeah, but remember, that Juliana might be the less evil in that case. I think that yeah, she might be going after Vincent, but only because she is afraid that he and Cathrine are working for whoever she is afraid of. And to me is kind of strange that she is afraid of someone that much to risk her whole freedom and business to create that kind of superhuman experiments.

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  20. Still doesn't bother me - if Catherine had her gun and shot her dead it would have been justified. Look how many deaths of innocent people this woman caused. Catherine also knew she captured Heather and everything that they were going through made her go ballistic. It wasn't hard to watch for me because she was totally justified to do what it took to save their lives. I did want them to elope, but not to a sleazy chapel. I thought it would be nice if they stopped at a Justice of the Peace who ran a swanky Bed & Breakfast Inn and got married there. It would have been classy, but they would both have to be on the same page - I didn't know how much Vincent wants a church wedding like his parents had. I'm all for the church wedding too and can't wait to see Catherine in a beautiful bridal gown and Vincent is just a knockout in a tux. Will we get a wedding at all? Remains to be seen when and where because it won't be this season I don't think.

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  21. There's no doubt about it that still is some evil out there that Juliana was afraid of. It's what Vincent had referred to as finding the main source behind all of this. Juliana must have been just an extension of who the Big Evil is and you know what? I keep thinking of Reynolds.

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  22. I don't think Reynolds. Reynolds i really don't see his agenda when it comes to the experiments. When Reynolds was after Vincent he was afraid for Catherine so i don't see him creating more beasts or even super humans that possibly Cathrine will have investigate and stop and putting her in that position is kind of unlikely.

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  23. I think he comes to my mind because he was high up the ladder when he was with the FBI and his distinquished silver hair and good looks. He also knows an awful lot about Vanessa's formula and what she was trying to perfect in he way of "super soldiers". I picture someone like him being the BIG EVIL.

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  24. Yeah, maybe, but like i said i don't see him as the big bad, because of Catherine being that involved in those investigations.

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  25. I thought the old woman who was at the front desk taking the marriage applications was perfect and funny. Had to laugh when she thought Vincent was an alien and Catherine was marrying him to make him a citizen. All she had to was call "Next" and you found yourself smiling.

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  26. Nope. In the opening scene they were already talking about something that we saw only later in the episode during the hospital fight. I mean , how could Catherine know the superhuman was bullet-proof and could jump out of windows ?

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  27. Power changes people so you never know. We really don't know enough about Reynolds, but if you think back to the end of S1, Tyler, "Slimy G's" girlfriend was terrified when he confronted her and shot her. Tyler said, "You" and then Reynolds shot her dead, but we didn't know who he was at all until the S1 cliffhanger finale. There are still some holes we need answers to.

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  28. The Niagara Fall elopement was hilarious. Best part of the episode , thanks to Jay who was brilliant. But the action sequences were lame and poorly executed.
    KK : She was great in Chasing Ghost but no so much in this episode. The scene in the lab
    should have been a very dark and dramatic moment - drama is her bread - yet she turned out being very stiff and emotionless . She barely had a reaction when she saw her sister or when they were executing Vincent . She made me feel nothing .
    JT&T : I didn't expect the break up . But Tess did have some good points.

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  29. I agree with almost all of what you said, but Tess is still human, and Cat's best friend, so far

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  30. Vincent needs to cut off the snake's head!!

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  31. He might not exactly be the BIG Evil, but he did once tell Catherine that "they are everywhere, they are hired by governments" or something like that. He definitely knows much more about them

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  32. The window crashing might have happened at church, when he first attacked Vincent & Catherine, but the Bullets came later, at the hospital. Unless, they did encounter the Hoodie sometime during the 3 days they were on the run, which would have been before the opening scene of this episode

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  33. It was no time for Tess to expect JT to put her first when Vincent and Cat were in a terrible situation and could have been killed. It wasn't the right time for Tess to expect JT to comfort her in her hour of need. The "Captain Tess" needed comfort so JT was to drop what he was doing and forget that Vincent and Catherine were about to be killed. Tess has turned into an idiot who has let this promotion go to her head. She's become pompus at times and I hope JT DOESN'T take her back. Let's see Tess become the Captain she thinks she is and do her job. I don't know how good a friend she is to Catherine at this point. If I were Cat, I wouldn't depend on Tess anymore.

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  34. Another awesome/ not so awesome episode. Lots of things to like: predominantly the acting. No matter what is thrown at these actors- they pull it off. I really loved Vincent in this episode saying he wanted a wedding like his mom and dad. I can see why Cat was not so disturbed with the history of her parents - all of them.

    Something really bothering me and it has since season 1 - why do we keep getting things introduced but never finished? What was Juliana's motivation for experiments? Where did she come from? How did she get involved? Maybe we will find out some of that but I doubt it, we never get the stories truly developed. It's like they are stand alone stories and when the episode is over- that's all folks!

    I also feel like Tess has been out in this situation this season where there is no happy ending, unless she bows down as captain. They could write a resolution but will it be believable and satisfying to us. I feel for her so much yet she knew going into a relationship with JT his loyalty to Vincent.

    I do love, however, that JT and Tess are getting more of a story this season. They were so underused last season.

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  35. I love everyone's optimism, I'm starting to go a bit easier. Still, it was very easy for cat to dismiss what Vincent wanted, and why she dismissed it seems sad to me. But, i guess after all they've been through its easy to see why she was so anxious to deal with this new threat.

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  36. it was awesome because Catherine kick butt and Vincent was so sweet awl love love it

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  37. I was so... Hoping the women from the chapel was the new big bad, her or the therapist from a couple episodes ago. Neither one are exactly huge vincat shippers. now that would have been so unexpected and hilarious!!

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  38. Because they had already experienced it for 3 days, 3 days of being kidnapped by this unknown and then escaping again. 3 days that we were completely left out of. I didn't have a problem that we weren't a part of it, it's nothing we haven't seen before, except that they looked really good and calm for people that were in and out of lock up for days. No wonder jt was so frustrated.

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  39. I still feel that something is holding Catherine back. She keeps telling V. that she wants to be his wife .... but we don't feel that spark that was so wonderful and magic between them in S1. It feels as if her father's words, about beasts and especially Vincent, are still ringing in her ears

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  40. Great points on Tess and jt 100% agree. Still can't help but smirk a little at Tess during that scene, I like that she's starting to show a stronger side this season, I just hope we see stronger side only, not elements of bad friend or selfish side (as we saw this ep), because i don't think she's either of those things and i don't want to be wrong about her.

    Cats losing control with that witch, I agree, Juliana deserved what she got I can't blame cat for losing it. Doesn't mean I have to forget how badly she made Vincent feel for losing control in s2.

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  41. There are a lot of holes to the supernatural storyline, but I'm now sure all will be filled at the end of the season once the new big bad is revealed. So I have to wonder again, are they all working for someone we know, Reynold maybe? Or som

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  42. lol Yes. They must have been on the American side of the border. Canadians are much more polite. hahahaha


    And Jay's accent must have snuck out. lol

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  43. Completely different circumstances in S2. Catherine had to talk Vincent down or he would have lost his humanity in S2. Catherine didn't make Vincent feel badly for losing control - she merely pulled him back from losing his humanity. Big difference. In this episode Catherine was totally helpless and Vincent was drugged and powerless. Cat couldn't do anything to help Vincent or herself, but when they got free, Catherine pummeled Juliana and justifiably so. Catherine, Vincent and Heather would have been killed, had JT listened to Tess and not followed the lead he had to that lab. Catherine was going to have to watch Juliana torture Vincent before she killed him and probably Heather would have been tortured too. They owed their lives to JT who is truly a good friend to Vincent. It was no time for Tess to want JT to give her all his attention - not when she knew there was a possibility that Vincent and Catherine might be in serious trouble. Tess wanted to be Captain so now she is. JT should meet someone new.

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  44. What if Catherine actually has some of Vincent's DNA markers imbedded in her own DNA?? Could that be Vanessa's big secret??

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  45. I loved it, so I voted AWESOME

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  46. I don't know how different the 2 situations are. In s2 Vincent ripped the heart out of a guy who would have killed them all as well, cat kept reminding him of it throughout the next episode, even while they were making out. The difference is cat is not as powerful, she doesn't have the ability to rip someone's heart out but the way she was going, no doubt she would have been just as vicious if given the ability.

    I don't blame her for losing control like I didn't blame Vin in s2. The problem I have is we don't know enough about Juliana to 100% despise her, Would she have really killed vin? We know she tortured heather but we didnt see it, who knows what really happened. And what is her end game, who is she working for and what is she really after? Maybe her motives aren't as bad as we think.

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  47. Oh I totally don't agree with you about Juliana. Her motives were pretty bad considering all the innocent people she captured and turned them into superhumans who killed other people who got in their way. Juliana did say that sacrifices had to be made for the greater good. This tells you what kind of monster Juliana really is.

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  48. The second Big Bad is called Liam, Juliana said his name in the extended promo.

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  49. I'm not talking about the reasons Catherine was justified in, i'm talking about JUST the act itself.

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  50. Completely agree with you non Catherine losing control.

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  51. Juliana WASN'T putting up a good fight, she's not a fighter, did you see her swings? Catherine didn't get lucky on punching her, Juliana had no chance against Catherine.

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  52. Yeah because they already knew his powers, the promo was for the audience, not the characters,, so why is that confusing?

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  53. Because they already knew his abilities, didn't you hear Catherine say that he was after them for 3 days?

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  54. Vincent and Catherine already knew his abilities from the 3 days they were running from him, it's not a plot hole or confusion, WE didn't know or see his abilities in action but Vincent and Catherine did.

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  55. The new Big Bad is called Liam.

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  56. Why should Juliana have to fight when she has these super humans guarding her and doing her bidding. I'm sure she wouldn't have had compassion for Cat if she could have injected her with one of those long lethal needles she was ready to put into Vincent. I don't think anyone leaves that lab alive once they find out about it or in Bob and Carol's case, they wanted to be free, but Juliana would never have let them live. She was too secretive about people knowing who she was and the location of the lab. I say again, if it had not been for JT, Vincent, Catherine and Heather would have been killed.

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  57. I'm not confused by the fact that VinCat new the superhuman hoodie's powers. He had been tracking them for days. There's nothing confusing about it. We saw his powers when he followed them into the hospital and found the room they were in. He knocked Vincent into the table and that's when Cat pulled her gun and fired at him, pushing him back for a split second, but then he ran for the window crashing through it and they watched him run away below.

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  58. Okay, also how big did you jump when that door came out of nowhere? LOL, i almost touched my ceiling when i saw that door knock Vincent out HA!

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  59. Exactly, which is why i don't get why you said she put up a good fight when she looked a baby fighting a tiger LOL.

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  60. I almost fell off my couch and choked on my water. Scared the hell out of me. I'm glad I wasn't the only one affected by the door coming at us - if it was in 3D can you imagine how real it would have seemed? Wow, that scene was a shocker - didn't expect it.

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  61. Did you see the Press Release for Episode 3.10 "Patient X"? Sounds very interesting. Catherine and Vincent are going to try and capture this Liam guy with the help of some patient who goes by Patient X. Wonder why he's known as Patient X. Anyway, sounds like it's going to be another action packed epi.

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  62. To me she looked like she was getting some punches in, but Cat's a cop and trained in judo and kick-boxing. When I said she was getting in some pretty good punches, it was the way it looked to me because I assumed Juliana herself might have been enhanced with some of that serum, but fortunately she wasn't.

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  63. I saw punches but they didn't get anywhere near Catherine, also Catherine trained in way more stuff, the cops don't fight nowhere as good as her. Se trained herself after what happened to her mom.

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  64. Oh totally!!!! That would crazy awesome in 3-D LOL, one minute Vincat are talking about something, the next minute a door comes flying out of nowhere

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  65. Yes it does, maybe it's both: Liam and Patient X are the same person?

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  66. Ooooooh - never thought that they might be the same patient. How smart would Liam be to pull that one off on Vincent and Catherine. Might very well be. Very good thought, Ivan.

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  67. I read somewhere Max Brown was going to be in an episode.maybe he is Patient x ? We all know that in this - even with 16 bullets you can be saved. I think Evan only had about 5 in season 1!

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  68. Catherine admitted that she totally lost it, but it was because Catherine was really scared and feeling totally helpless. Vincent was out cold having been drugged and she told him he had to wake up and fight because she didn't know what to do. JT made the serum that jump started Vincent, and when Vincent freed Catherine, she took the opportunity to pummel Juliana - but she lost it and couldn't stop hitting her because of how frightened Cat was that they were going to die. It sort of put her in a "beastlike trance".

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  69. That scene with the door flying out so unexpectedly would have given people a heart attack if it had been in 3D.

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  70. Possible - Max might make a Special Guest Appearance. They might have brought him back since he was shot in a Muirfield lab.

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  71. LOL you got that right!

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  72. Doubt it, it's probably a flashback.

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  73. That was my first thought - a flashback of Evan, but who knows, they are pulling out some surprises this season. Just hope it isn't G - UGH!!

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  74. I guess I'm wrong about Juliana. According to the extended promo of Patient X, she's talking with Vincent and said Liam was trying to kill her and that's why she was turning people into superhumans. She tells Vincent that she'd like to inject him with her enhanced serum because it's the only way he can fight Liam. She doesn't appear to be as bad as I thought she was. I was wrong about her, but then it was confusing the way she roughed up Heather, but I could see Juliana's point. She thought Liam sent Heather, Catherine and Vincent out to find her and she's deathly afraid of Liam. Next week's episode of "Shotgun Wedding" looks very confusing too from what the promo shows. Is there really going to be a wedding this time or is there another interruption? Could it be a dream that Catherine is having? I can't tell what's going to happen, but it sure looks interesting.

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  75. How do you know this? Has it already been spoiled?

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  76. Where did you see that Vincent was talking to Juliana? Was it in

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  77. It was a very interesting episode, I'm always fully invested poor Catherine she can't find a break, one thing is sure she can never talk about V going primal she sure lost control kicking the bad ladies but, Tess having a bad case of wanting everything to be.about her she wants the epic love that V & C has that she's basically trying to make JT choose what she wants, be damned to all the wild stuff
    Going on outside her world, I know she's Cats BF, she just has a weird way of always reminding everyone the things she does for the team, she and JT breakup will be short I'm sure, the next few episodes look intense and exciting!!!!

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  78. It's not a plot hole ,the episode was just badly edited. Btw Heather was in black when she was kidnapped but she had time to change her outfit in a multicolor dress.

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  79. I happened to it on cwtv youtube beauty and the beast extended promo of S3 ep3.10 Patient X. Juliana is recovering in the hospital and Vincent is there. She's talking with him about this over enhanced Liam and tells Vincent she wants to inject him to make him enhanced so he can take down Liam. I think Tess is in the room with Vincent. I hope you find it because I don't know if I could find it again.

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  80. How is it the Vincat part badly edited? They'd been running from him him for 3 days, enough times to know his abilities.

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  81. Oh don't get me wrong i would LOVE if Max Brown came back full-time but he's probably not.

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  82. In the extended promo Juliana warns Vincent that he's the only one one that can stop Liam, since Liam enhanced himself.

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  83. Juliana never said anything about injecting Vincent, she only said that he's the only one who can stop Liam, no wedding yet, completely doubt it.

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  84. I got so excited that I found it, I really thought that's what she said. Vincent is enhanced enough, he doesn't need another serum injected into him. You're right, she must have said that V is the only one to take Liam down.

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  85. I highly doubt Max will be back - he was definitely killed off in S1. Another poster said she thinks Patient X might be Vincent's female soldier buddy Lafferty.. Remember Lafferty when Vincent was having his flashbacks to when Vanessa was giving them the serum. Lafferty suddenly lost it and put her fist through a wooden table and they had to carry her away. It had something to do with the side effects of the serum.

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  86. Wow you lucked out! I tried but couldn't find it. I'll keep looking. I wonder if it was one of those where it got released by mistake and you were lucky enough to get it before it was pulled! The next few episode are going to be pretty exciting it sounds like.

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  87. I was so excited to see this clip. Don't know how I stumbled across it, but I'm sure it was on a cwtv.youtube and then I typed in "Extended Promo of Beauty and the Beast S3 episode 3.10 Patient X and it came up. It was a whole clip of Juliana in her hospital bed having a conversation with Vincent. Catherine wasn't there, but I think Tess was. I was like mesmerized. I have to see if I can find it again. Will let you know if I do. You're right - the next couple of episodes are going to be quite an exciting roller coaster ride. Ivan told me where to find the clip so I'll see if I can find his post just to make sure. I'm jumping out of my skin for the next episodes to get here.

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  88. The CW Television Network - YouTube
    www.youtube.com/user/CWtelevision This will get you there and then type in BATB S3 episode 3x08 Shot Gun Wedding, and you'll see a short scene of Juliana speaking with Vincent telling him "you're the only one that can stop Liam", then shots are fired and Tess yells "Vincent". You can't make out what happens, but you'll see Cat on the phone looking worried and scared. I can't find the one where the whole clip was Juliana speaking with Vincent about Liam. I really must have lucked out on that one. I'll keep searching.

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