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TVLine's Break-Up Blind Item

Jul 1, 2015

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I’ve learned that a hit series will throw caution to the wind and put a (possibly permanent!) pin in one of TV’s most popular love stories — a game-changing move that threatens to seismically alter the DNA of the series.

Oh, and it will also piss off a lot of people, a backlash The Powers That Be are said to be fully prepared for and not necessarily all that fearful of; the aging series could benefit from having its core rocked, many believe.

OK, now for a few hints:
♦ The fandom-shattering split (which was first teased in Ask Ausiello) is slated to air in early fall.
♦ The show in question airs on one of the Big 5 broadcast network.
♦ It’s a one-hour drama.
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218 comments:

  1. Most people are speculating "Castle" or "Grey's"

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  2. Got to be Castle, surely.


    Shame it says "aging series" or else I'd speculate (and hope for) Arrow.

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  3. Shit, I'm no the only one thinking Castle and Beckett. They were my first thought.

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  4. Bones maybe? It's certainly aging.

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  5. Arrow is relatively aging! I mean for CW standards. ^^

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  6. The thing about Arrow is it wouldn't really shake the show to its core. Olicity just got together. It would seem odd to break them up immediately. They could have just "stuck a pin in it" at the beginning of Season 3.

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  7. I suppose they do only have Supernatural and TVD that have been on the network longer, currently.

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  8. That is true.

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  9. I was so hoping for Hook and Emma as unlikely as that would be. I just pictured Dark Swan killing Hook and then me cheering :D But then it said aging and Castle and Bones came to mind, I don't watch either of them though.

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  10. Most people seem to be thinking it's Castle and although it does fit the bill, I don't see how they can break Castle and Beckett all of a sudden.

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  11. If its Castle i might start watching again.

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  12. Hey hey no CS touching. His love will heal her. *mean eye*

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  13. First thing that came to mind after reading this was Castle.

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  14. I'm so dreading 5A just for that :/ If they just have Hook pouting and giving speeches about how much he loves Emma or have him doing stupid things just to save her I'm afraid it'll be goodbye from me.

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  15. Actually if you look back there were a lot of long running shows on the CW (or WB/UPN prior).


    7th Heaven 12 years
    Gilmore Girls 7
    Smallville 10
    One Tree Hill 9
    Supernatural 10
    The Vampire Diaries 7

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  16. It can't be Grey's Anatomy. They've already pulled the plug on the big relationship.

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  17. muharharharharhar

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  18. I always worry so much about these blind items and it never are shows I watch.
    From really aging shows I only watch/ed VD and Grey's. But Delena is already gone, Steroline didn't even happen, but they could tear them apart totally.
    With Grey's Shonda already ruined all relevant pairings.


    Got a feeling this is one of CBS oldies.

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  19. Olicity is not the core of Arrow (at least not in my opinion) even though a lot of people sadly seem to think so.

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  20. I've been reading some of the interviews and it sounds like Jennifer Morrison is playing Dark Swan as opposite. So all the things that make Emma, Emma will be switched. She will still be in town and technically in the relationships but she'll be different. They mentioned the strain on her relationships but also that the people involved are aware it isn't really her. I can't imagine long-term break-ups in the beginning of the season when it comes to CS.

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  21. So many shows are driven by romance these days...could be any show really.

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  22. Agreed. But because some think it is, I did consider it.

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  23. We can actually cross TVD/TO off the list, neither show is romane driven anymore (wich is odd).
    Arrow could be the one but no way they'd do it, the Flash has no couple currently together

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  24. Some think so what...well...

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  25. I really hope someone stabs Emma, hoping for Snow to be the one.


    I'm interested how Snow and Hook could maybe work together to safe Emma. They really didn't share to many scenes.

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  26. Is Bones airing this fall? That or Castle would get my vote. Then again, lets think of ballsy showrunners who aren't afraid to piss off the fans. There are a few. Not enough IMO.

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  27. What's contradcting imo is that they say an aging series, but they also say hit series. It kind of depends on TVLine's definitions of 'aging' and 'hit'. Not many old shows are a ratings hit anymore, and certainly not Castle and Bones.

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  28. They said aging show, but didn't catch that romantic centric thing. Have to read it again. I'm following tennis scores with 1 eye.

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  29. I will be watching events unfold.....with glee.

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  30. Snow and Charming? OUaT is just drunk enough to do it.

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  31. Yes but who defines romance-centric?

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  32. Once's Snow and Charming is my guess. Bummer because I like them together.

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  33. Scandal. Because Shonda Rhimes hates her fans, and she figured if she can destroy Mer-Der, she can destroy Olitz.

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  34. Under "Hit series" I assume they consider a show they majorly feature.


    "Aging" is really questionable. It could be 5 and up and it could be over 7 seasons.

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  35. I don't watch Castle or Bones but out of all the shows that I watch I think that is Liv and Fitz on Scandal

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  36. Don't think she will go there now that they just got back together and honestly with their cat and mouse game wouldn't be earthshaking at all. Only if they kill Fitz.

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  37. I don't think the writers are willing to split Castle and Beckett up AGAIN, considering the huge fiasco called the season 6 finale put a major dent in the viewership.


    I don't watch either of these shows, but I'd put my money on Bones or Scandal. Other possibilities include Grey's Anatomy or NCIS LA (Again, like Castle, very doubtful Densi would get split up AGAIN.)

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  38. I don't think it's Castle. I mean, it just wouldn't make sense. The previous season finale showed their relationship as being stronger than ever. It wouldn't make sense for them to go from "happily married" to "divorced" so quickly.


    My bet is on Bones. They're already having problems, and it wouldn't be such a leap that Booth's gambling problems could ruin their marriage. I just don't see any reason for Castle and Beckett to end things, no reason at all, while I see plenty reason for Booth and Brennan to end things.

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  39. I'm actually 100% gonna stop watching Scandal if Olitz is over.

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  40. It's definitely Castle.That new tech guy will be the new love interest of Beckett,mark my words.

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  41. They usually exclude The CW on the blind items (they say "it airs on one of the main 4 networks) so I think it might be a CW show now that they said Big 5...

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  42. CW shows premiere on 2nd week of Oct,this show in question air in early fall i.e-3rd week of sep.

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  43. Well shows on Season 4+ are: Arrow, Bones, Castle, Chicago Fire, Good Wife, Grey's Anatomy, Grimm, Nashville, NCIS, Once Upon a Time, Person of Interest, Scandal, Supernatural, and The Vampire Diaries.


    5+ Bones, Castle, the Good Wife, Grey's Anatomy, Grimm, NCIS, NCIS:LA, OUaT, Person of Interest, Scandal, Supernatural, TVD


    6+ Bones, Castle, The Good Wife, Grey's Anatomy, NCIS, NCIS: LA, Supernatural, TVD


    7+ Bones, Castle, The Good Wife, Grey's Anatomy, NCIS, NCIS:LA, Supernatural, TVD


    8+ Bones, Castle, Grey's Anatomy, NCIS, Supernatural


    11+ Bones, Grey's Anatomy, NCIS, Supernatural


    12+ Grey's Anatomy, NCIS


    13+ NCIS


    Arguably NCIS is not romance-centric. I do not watch all of the others so I cannot comment. Also what defines "aging" would depend on the season amount.

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  44. SMH.Leave them alone please.

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  45. I think they always say Big5, you've got that wrong.

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  46. Even though it could be Jackson and April, I don't think it is. They're not a "show DNA" couple. Also Grey's doesn't need its core rocked, I believe, since it's just had it.

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  47. It's going to be Castle or Bones and although I don't watch it anymore my money is on Castle since Bones just had them broke up for a few episodes, so I doubt they do it again so soon

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  48. Prince Charming & Snow White aka David & Mary
    Oliver & Felicity
    Klaus & Caroline { Stefan &Caroline happen }
    Castle and Beckett
    Damon & Elena { Damon & Bonnie happen}
    Fitz & Mellie

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  49. I'll place my bet on Scandal. It's a hit show in its fifth season isn't it? Plus it had a bit of a ratings slide in its second half of last season so maybe they think they need to shake things up.

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  50. I was thinking this and I also like how he put "Hit Series" which is a common phrase over on the CW...but like @Joy Haldar said, none of their shows are premiering in early fall.

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  51. Exclude CW ships,they don't premiere until oct.

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  52. I know! I really want this to be about Arrow, but I have to accept it's just not.

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  53. I'll agree with the popular options: Either Castle, Bones or OUaT...

    I sure as HELL hope it's not Castle! That will be a super bummer, and especially after last season's finale it will feel just so OOC... what's a bit comforting about this option is that Andrew Marlowe is still on the show... and he's never seemed to be of the thought that Castle and Beckett aren't endgame. So even though it seems unlikely, the show covers all the clues' criteria, which objectively makes it a viable candidate.

    I believe it could most likely be Bones, because I know first hand the school of though Hart Hanson comes from.... and it's a "conflict" move he would definitely endorse.

    As for OUaT, well I have very little respect for ED and AH and because their storytelling is SUPER inconsistent and they don't know
    how to tell a story properly them just throwing a cruve ball like that to the viewers for the sake of the shock-and-awe sounds like
    them... they are 100% the types to to fuck with the audience for the "drama", so yeah...

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  54. Olitz was never a stable and steady couple to begin with.

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  55. It is not Scandal since Olivia and Fitz were not together in season four or most of the series.

    The blind seems to be referring to a show that has a steady couple who folks do not expect to breakup.

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  56. Most likely couple-Caskett & SnowCharming-everything fits the bill perfectly IMO.

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  57. Oct is early fall and the CW shows only premiere two weeks after all the other networks so the CW is still in the run IMHO.

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  58. My thoughts are either Bones, Scandal- Fitz/Olivia, Castle, Once- Snow/Charming, Nashville- Rayna/Deacon or Juliette/Avery. Grimm is a possibility but I don't watch that show.
    My vote is 1. Castle.......Scandal- Olitz. The part about TPTB thinking the show could stand to have its core rocked points me to Scandal. That show has been teetering for a while and dialing back the melodrama and getting back to basics COULD help. But only if they also break up Scandal/B613. Otherwise, Bones is off the radar, Once shakes things up every season to some degree, and Nashville just struck out with messing up its couples. So, Castle. It's romance is built into its DNA more than any other show I can think of right now.

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  59. IA... It will come so out of left field if it does happen.
    And Andrew Marlowe might have stepped down from being showrunner, but he's still very much a part of the show, and he's always been very strong opinionated about how when Castle and Beckett get together that would be it. So there's that...


    Buuuuuut, the show covers all the criteria, and that makes it a viable candidate, so I get why people are worried and have it at the top of their list...

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  60. It's mid-fall,not early.Early fall means 3rd week of sep,not oct.

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  61. I;m the exact opposite: If it's Castle, I might not bother catching up with the show... :(

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  62. This! Grey's is off the table because of that alone...

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  63. Same here.There's no show without Caskett,period.

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  64. I wonder why no one is talking about aging NBC series?

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  65. Anything that might get Coling out of that mess of a show and possibly into something more watchable!

    Though, I will say, if it is OUaT I think Snow and Charming would be the BIG breakup...

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  66. Bcoz they hardly have any romance written into them.

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  67. Holy shit! If it's Booth and Brennan, I'm gonna lose it. It can't be them. It can't be. They just worked their troubles out and only been married for two years. TPTB can't be that stupid. And I have to exclude the CW here, It's not TVD. Or TO. Definitely not Arrow. Idt it's a CW show at all, so I'll put a pin in that. Now I'm seriously fearing for Bones. Oh boy. This is no good.

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  68. Why are you all so eager to see my fav ship break up?You guys.....Urgh!

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  69. OUAT/Castle/Bones for sure.

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  70. Well, I don't watch Once or Castle, Sooo I can only fear for Bones. Lol After the way the finale just ended, it can't be them, I refuse to believe it.

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  71. Now you know how I feel.

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  72. Your fear is 33% and my fear is 66%.LOL!

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  73. "one of TV’s most popular love stories — a game-changing move that threatens to seismically alter the DNA of the series." - this is a clue which points to Bones.

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  74. Because OUaT is not a good show... and the love stories on the show -much like any storyline on the show- is an barely thought through, poorly conceived and badly executed.

    And it pains me to see such good actors stuck in that dreg of a TV show.

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  75. At least add in your opinion.You're making it sound like it's a proven fact.It's all objective.
    While i don't expect much out of OUAT,it's a pretty decent & enjoyable show.

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  76. What happened to you? Steroline?

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  77. You know what's REALLY sticking out to me in that whole paragraph? The "Seismically alter the DNA of the series." THAT IS SO SQUINT TALK! I'm nervous as hell.

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  78. In the article it says the show in question airs on one of the Big 5 broadcast network.
    The first day of Fall is Sept 23rd. Arrow and TVD air Oct 7th & 8th, just 14 days later. First day of is Winter Dec 22nd. So IMHO early Fall means Sept and Oct IMHO.

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  79. If it's Castle, it wouldn't surprise me as it has been rumoured that the leads have been at odds with each other for quite some time now.

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  80. No Steroline is fine, I'm just saying that you know how I feel when someone can't stop talking about how much they want your ship to sink. ;)

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  81. I was just joking here.It sucks to see many rooting against them(Why?),i agree but as long as Hook stays on the show alive,i actually don't mind if they change the dynamic a bit.

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  82. Non-shippers like to make their position on how much they don't ship pretty clear whenever they can because they largely consider shipping annoying, while completely ignoring the fact that complaining about a ship constantly makes them just as annoying as they claim shippers are.

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  83. I think it's pretty clear it's my opinion...


    But my complaints with the show are on a complete narrative structural level, character arcs and developments, so if I were to write an essay as to why I think the show is not good, anyone who writes, objectively would agree with me. In fact I've had this exact conversation with writers and they do agree...

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  84. It's not going to be Arrow or TVD. This article is about a couple, who've been together for a long time and that no one would expect them to break up. There are NO couples on those shows. Olicity is not a couple, or rather didn't "get together" til the actual finale. TVD had Delena, that's over (since Nina left), and Steroline hasn't become a couple yet and probably won't get together til before episode 10. So you shouldn't think of them in this particular case.

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  85. The longest lasting relationship on Grey's HAS already been permanently torn apart.

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  86. I think it's Bones, I love them just as long as they don't go messing with Caskett, they've already messed with the dynamics with letting Captain Gates go, just saying:)

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  87. Can it possibly be on arrow too???? Oh nooooo :(.

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  88. Grimm just killed off Juliette, the female in the main romance, so I don't think Grimm qualifies.

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  89. Klaus hasn't been on TVD for two years. They got together ONCE. There is nothing to break up with Klaus and Caroline. And it doesn't change the DNA of the show. Elena leaving changed the DNA of the show, but that was last season. Damon and Elena "broke up" because Elena's in some kind of Sleeping Beauty curse and that happened end of last season. So past break up not upcoming. TBBT is a half hour comedy and the article says one hour drama. I tend to think Arrow can't be considered an aging show and Olicity hasn't been an established couple for long enough to change the DNA of the show. Of your picks Castle, Greys, and Scandal come closest. Snowing in OUAT doesn't seem DNA changing to me, but maybe?

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  90. Colin is probably thanking his lucky stars he got OUAT, he wasn't exactly a star before it. Snow and Charming have been in the background for so long now that them breaking up wouldn't phase me at all.

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  91. JMO needs to really step up her acting this season for me to like Emma again. I've been liking her less and less each season.

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  92. No it isn't. You can rule out The CW with this one.

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  93. POI isn't romance centered. Neither is Supernatural. TVD just wrote out Elena, so that romance is already dead. The Good Wife could break up the Floricks, but they haven't been a real couple for most of the show. OTOH, a divorce could change the DNA of the show. Grimm killed off Juliette, the main love interest in the season finale, so that's out. I have no idea on the others.

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  94. I just said the same thing. Lol Nice.

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  95. Plot twist: I'm joining the OUAT writing team next season and killing off Hook, and at the end of the episode I'll put up on the screen "For Joy Halder" with a devil emoji! And then I'll bring Neal back but with proper clothes this time.

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  96. Ah I see. I'm just guessing here as I've only watched a few episodes. I thought the article was saying putting an end to any romance between a couple not just stable ones. My thoughts were from the few I've seen that a lot goes on with their forbidden romance storyline. Need to catch up on this show.

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  97. The article doesn't actually say "romance-centric". It says "popular love story". That doesn't mean the show has to be romance-centric. It just means the love story is popular.

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  98. I just can't see it being Snow and Charming. I mean if those two cant make it then the whole show about true love and goodness prevailing kinda falls apart. On the other hand if true it will certainly shock the socks off me.

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  99. Bones and Castle seem the most likely. Snow/Charming on OUAT would anger the fans as well.

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  100. I think by "early fall" it's much more likely he means early in the 15/16 season as opposed to an actual calendar reference. I personally don't think it's a CW show either but not for the reason you seem to.


    I don't think it's Grey's at all, Mer/Der is already done (obviously) and Callie & Arizona were split up last season. I suppose he could mean they are going to put to bed any chance of them getting back together but it sounds like it's going to be more of a new breakup. Jackson & April are a popular couple but a breakup was more than hinted at in the season finale so I don't think that would qualify either. This is supposed to be a breakup the fans don't see coming.


    I don't watch either show but from what he hints at and what I see online for their fandoms I think Bones and Castle are both likely contenders.

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  101. I think that's a little harsh.There are many "Bad" shows out there currently and OUAT is not among them & i watch almost 40-45 shows atm.But that's just me.To each his/her own,i guess.

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  102. Honestly she does fine with the material she gets. I mean this bratty writing/attitude towards the end of this season was a bit to much. She can and I hope she will do much better.

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  103. I hate you so much :P

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  104. Sorry, neither POI nor Supernatural have an onscreen love story to break up, unless you count brotherly love for Supernatural and breaking up Sam and Dean would 1) kill the show and 2) no one would believe it was permanent.

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  105. Actually I was just re-editing my replies because I took the comments to be truthful up top. Actually the article doesn't say those words. I agree with your statements about POI and Supernatural.

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  106. It won't be Callie and Arizona,they already ended their marriage/relationship. Arrow hasn't been on long enough,don't watch TVD. Its either Castle or Bones and my bet is Castle.

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  107. I wonder if there is a chance more will be added to this as we get closer to the date like it isn't a love relationship after all but instead a 'relationship' so then it could be Klaus & Elijah, Damon & Stefan, Leonard & Sheldon Oliver & Diggle etc ?

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  108. Callie and Arizona. Th end up the season appart and now they wont be back together.

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  109. I've loved Castle but this past season for me sucked. Castle and Beckett are boring,ever since they got together the spark is gone,so is the bantering that was so them. Ryan and Espo have been pushed off to the sidelines (like they didn't already have small parts),we're lucky if they have speaking parts that are longer than a few sentences. Even Martha and Alexis parts have all but disappeared. I finally finished this season but what once a must see has been relegated to the dvr and when i get to it i get to it or not.

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  110. Now you're just being mean on purpose. No one messes with my brotps.

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  111. Bones returns Oct. 1st.

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  112. Don't worry it's not.

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  113. I'm going with Robin Hood and Regina.

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  114. Castle and Beckett are so stable and healthy, it doesn't make any sense for them to break up even for a while let alone forever!

    There are no major ships left on GA. They already destroyed the best ship on the show. How much more shaking up does the show need?

    I don't think it's Charming and Snow either. They will be too focused on bringing Emma back, and breaking up for good is no way to do it.

    Whatever that couple is, I hope the breakup makes sense story wise. It shouldn't be just for the shock effect.

    Anyway, I think my OTPs are safe. And after MerDer I really can't take another hit.

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  115. Every ship on that show, aside from Snow/Charming, is awful so I try not to pay too much attention to them. However..

    Captain Swan(gag) just irks me so much because they completely neutered Hook to make it work.

    "Oh no, Hook did a bad thing!"

    *sad puppy eyes*

    "Oh no, Emma is being mean to Hook!"

    *sad puppy eyes*

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  116. No meanness involved Koky. Just covering all the bases.

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  117. I understand, but it's definitely a romantic ship.

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  118. What about Angela and Hodgins?

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  119. Regarding Criminal MInds: I'm hoping TPTB don't make any of the characters gay (not that's there's anything wrong with it). Would be Reid and I would be heartbroken.

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  120. I hope it's Arrow but honestly it will probably be Japril

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  121. Colin is so one note , i don't think he's gonna get another important role after this one

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  122. Although I still watch "Bones," it's getting to the point that Brennen is more bitter and bit**ier than ever. She's condescending and holier than thou to everyone. I wouldn't mind if she left the show, got another "Bones" or just let this be the last season. I would watch Seeley Booth,( David B) though.

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  123. my first thought was Castle. I'm intrigued to see how it will play out if it happens to be on Castle or whatever show it finally turns out to be

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  124. Nahhh. They're in a really really good place right now. I mean description wise, they fit it, but it wouldn't make a lick of sense. There's absolutely nothing wrong with them that would jeopardize their relationship. And they're also not the heart of the show. We as fans would be extremely pissed, but idt it would hurt the series. Plus they also have their kid, idt it's them.

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  125. Does this HAVE to be a breakup or could it be a death?

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  126. That's good, I liked them. I have a feeling that breakup won't make sense anyway. None of the couples in question should break up. It'll mostly be done to create drama and make the producers look gutsy.

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  127. OUAT to me

    :( CapitainSwan... because Emma is Dark and I don't know if she can be back... despite Jen saying Emma is still there somewhere, I don't know if to believe her & if CS will be ok or forever rotten

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  128. Idk about that. I mean i don't watch the other shows, so i can't really say, but if one of these couples are having problems, or have been for a while, it could very well make sense that this is the route to go. Especially, if TPTB don't think it's the last season for the show. All i have to say is that if it's not Bones, for the fans sake, i just hope it's a really really REALLY good reason. I mean i could see Castle breaking up, but for what reason i wouldn't know, i don't follow the show, but i do know the longevity of it, and i do know that their break up would seriously hurt the series. Shrugs. Idk, but fall is around the corner, so i think we should all be prepared. Gulp. = /

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  129. yes but it's not it to me because they said Olicity will still live
    unfortunately for me I think Lauliver can't happen. Olicity is gonna be
    endgame... Plus they said the show will be more light this season so I doubt a huge twist drama will happen

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  130. That's the thing, I know most of the couples and none of them make sense. Most of them ended the seasons on a very healthy note. Castle and Beckett just got married last season, and in the finale he accepted a reward and made a great speech about her. It was a slow burn and they had some ups and downs (external circumstances) but they finally got married and they are deliriously happy. People are even speculating that she is pregnant. There is no reason for any of the couples to break up. Unless they do a 10-year time jump and show them having troubles for a while. (sense the sarcasm) Most of the couples are happily married.

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  131. Nah, its not Bones, been there done that, just end of last season and with them having another baby, just too dark for the dramedy where all the squints and fbi are "family" and just love and support each other so much.....or so they say.

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  132. I think that this is about Castle, and I don't think that ABC wants to break up Castle and Beckett. I think that it is a reaction to Stana Katic wanting to leave the show after this season, and ABC isn't ready to let Castle go just yet. They want to continue the show with Nathan Fillion, and this is their contingency plan. I think that it will fail miserably because the series revolves around the Caskett romance. IMO, ABC should forget this idea and let the series go gracefully after this season, but I don't think they will, and instead this action will kill one of the best tv romances.I hope that I'm wrong.

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  133. It honestly sounds like Castle to me.

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  134. I'm reading Twitter and TVLine comments and Castle seems to be the majority vote there. TVLine posters say because it will make the lead actors happy because they don't get along. (I didn't know they didn't like each other)
    A few posted Sam/Dean, Dean/Baby. WTF. No.

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  135. Then i guess that leaves OUAT.

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  136. Well if it is Once Upon a time and it is CS, after they just basically dealt with all their issues and got together after almost 3 seasons, I won't watch. They already destroyed Rumple belle for the time being, put OQ together after a horrendous story involving Maid Marion so if they go that route for CS, IMO it will be a huge drop in ratings and will really piss a lot of fans off!

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  137. Who is baby? Dean's Impala?

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  138. Yes! Baby is Dean's one true love.

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  139. It can't be OUAT since Captain Swan wasn't in the DNA of the series, but rather developed as of late. I love Emma and Hook together, but thankfully the show isn't just about them being together.


    Bones and Castle on the other hands are shows that heavily rely on their lead actors and their relationships, so they are the strongest candidates as per the articule: messing with that relationship is altering the DNA of the show, so they could both be it.
    Since McDreamy already died on GA, I don't see how it could be it.

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  140. hahahah I agree. I always liked them together lol
    I stopped watching the show around season 7 but I would be very sad if Baby is hurt.

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  141. Me too. I'm still pissed about Sera Gamble having it stored in a garage for a few episodes.

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  142. Most of the couples on TVD have already broken up, or in a coma. So maybe Jeremy breaks up with Bonnie? Since it takes a brick wall to get that across to their fans. Caroline and Stefan might break up. But were they really a couple.

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  143. If it does turn out to be Castle, I might start watching again.

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  144. It really sounds like Castle. In fact, there are hints, like the reference to "DNA" and Michael Ausiello talking about "shaken & stirred" (Stana Katic was in Quantum of Solace).
    Bones is another possibility because of the DNA reference, but I think Castle is more likely.
    OUAT is less likely. It has had only 4 seasons so far, so it isn't an "aging series" as much as Bones (10 seasons) and Castle (7 seasons). Also, OUAT has four main couples--Captain Swan, Snowing, Outlaw Queen, and Rumbelle. I wouldn't say any one couple defines the show's DNA, although I suppose an argument could be made for Snow and Charming, since the show started with them. An argument could also be made that Captain Swan is the main couple, since Emma is the lead character, but it's likely that Hook is going to play a big role in bringing Emma back from the darkness, something that will probably take all of 5a, so Captain Swan breaking up at the beginning of the fall seems unlikely.

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  145. Fits very much to Castle (more than to Bones) but IMHO if they do it, it's the foolest idea since Bobby Ewing came out of the shower.


    Andrew Marlowe made a very hard work that this show now is about nothing else than the undieing love of Rick and Kate. Its audience wants this first and foremost. Without an "always" at least in every two or three weeks (dimmed lights, close up, looking deeply in the eye, Nathan Fillion on his low resonating voice), the show them worths nothing. Pulling this part out of the show is like a wiener schnitzel which has only the crust, without the meal. (Bottom line note: the idea would have been excellent after S3, instead of the Big Sekrit ruse, but nobody can turn back time.)


    So even though everything points toward Castle, I can't believe they would be this blind.

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  146. It DOES sound like Castle but it is so vague that it could really apply to many shows. Blind items have exaggerated before and it could just as easily be one of the CW shows. I frankly do NOT see ABC allowing them to break up Castle and Beckett. (And potentially permanently? That could almost be potentially NOT permanently.)

    Could this also be something from Scandal? It's "aging" a bit now. Frankly, I think it's a little too soon to write Caskett off.

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  147. Not harsh at all. It's a well formed & educated opinion after a objective critical viewing of the show's first 2 1/2 seasons. And as I follow the show's happenings since I stopped watching nothing seems to have changed.
    And I watch a lot of shows too, that doesn't mean anything...

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  148. AWM nor Terri are a part of S8 however the new showrunners have both written excellent Caskett episodes and I am hoping with all of my being that they will continue to do so.

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  149. I think he's got range. The material on Once isn't doing him any favours, but I think he does his best with what he's given.

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  150. "If it's Booth and Brennan, I'm gonna lose it."


    Oh, me too, but I honestly do not think it’s Bones. Because, even though he’s no longer the showrunner, Stephen Nathan said in an interview that B&B would be completely solid in season 11. I don’t remember which site it was for, maybe GMMR. But I do think there’s a good chance it's Castle.

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  151. He wasn't a star before and he was fortunate to land a part in a popular show I agree.

    But IMO he's certainly a better actor than what Once allows him to be. (Ditto Lana and Robert).

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  152. No, most are speculating Bones or Castle. I watch both but while I'd be heartbroken if it was Castle/Beckett, I would be ok if it was Booth/Bones.

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  153. Hope its not Castle. Took them 7 years to finally get together. They are newly weds and it would be unfair to break them up at this stage.If this is ABC's idea or new show runners ideas to shake things up, it would be the death of the show. As much as it saddens me, this is probably its last season,anyway. To do this, fans, myself included would probably stop watching before the end of the season and it would spiral down before. If this is the plan, it would have been best not to renew the show for another season. I would rather it had ended at season 7.

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  154. Well I haven't watched for a while, but the off episode and the occasional scene/clip I've caught since they have gotten together hasn't made me think they have gone boring or that the show has suffered from them getting together.
    The way I see it this is the progression of the relationship and the dynamic. And I don't need them to break up in order to create tension.

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  155. Good for you then since you seem to know it all.

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  156. I thought Andrew Marlowe is still around, just not in a showrunner capacity (and hasn't been for a few years now)...

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  157. Nope, he and Terri are working on their new Derrick Storm show. They both sent tweets at the end of last season saying goodbye.

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  158. Couldn't agree more. I want to have faith in ABC and say they wouldn't do it, but you never know with them.

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  159. Idk, despite what Stephen said, for B&B to break up now, with all their history, with what they just went through last season, and given that this may VERY WELL be the last season...this route makes no sense for them whatsoever. They've only been married two years, took them 7 years to get together (season 6 Was a huge slap in the face), they're having a second baby on the way, they just retired to live their happy lives with new jobs andraise their family Soooo none of this makes sense to be them. And even BTS they're good. I mean really good, there's no drama on that set at all, they love each other to death, the entire cast, so I can't see it being them at all.

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  160. Another reason it probably isn't OUAT: OUAT already had its "core rocked" in the season finale with Emma becoming the dark one. No couple breaking up is going to rock OUAT like that.

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  161. There is no reason to get defensive, simply because I refuse to fawn over what I have a very good reasons to believe is a very problematic show.

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  162. It BETTER not be Castle.


    I stopped watching both Bones and OUaT because of the ridiculous writing, so I'd be okay with either of those. I understand Bones has improved since then, but I just don't have it in me to make up four seasons.

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  163. I never said this show is flawless.Actually it's far from it but you are making it seem like the worst show on TV and that part i strongly disagree with.Either way,this discussion is going in circles since it's pretty clear we're never gonna agree even remotely on this point.So,let's agree to disagree for this one.Peace out.You keep your good reasons,i'll keep mine.Everyone wins.

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  164. This little breakdown is great - thank you!

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  165. You misunderstand me. And again there is no need to be indignant.

    The main reason I do hold OUaT in a much higher standard in my criticism is because I think there once was the potential for it to have been a truly good show. But it didn't turn out that way. And they've lost their chance and wasted it all, in the name of pizzazz...
    So now they are left with a hollow shell of superfluous and pretentious prettyness, lacking all substance in storytelling and wasting the talents of their decent cast. And that is a true shame, because it's very disappointing to see the ingredients of quality TV being misused like that.

    It wants to be this epic GoT-level masterpiece TV for the regular broadcast. What's worse, it actually thinks it is in that league. But the truth is it's barely old school campy SciFi level... At least those shows knew what they were...

    In the end I don't think it's the worst show on TV. But I do believe it is one of the most overrated shows, and I don't mind pointing that out.

    But yeah, sure, fine. Lets agree to disagree...

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  166. I agree.I love both couples but as much as I love Caskett the show really need something to be more interesting again.I would love to see them break up and how they handle it .

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  167. Yeah, I haven't even SEEN "Castle", and yet I agree that that's likely the show in question, given the comments I've read online from fans regarding that couple's ups and downs on the show and all the behind-the-scenes issues and whatnot.
    Fortunately, it doesn't sound like this applies to any of the shows I watch, since most of them either: 1) aren't aging shows, 2) aren't on any of the five networks, or 3) haven't even made the popular couplings fans love and want happen thus far. The only aging show I watch is "Criminal Minds", but I don't exactly see any of the breakups on there causing THAT much negative backlash from fans, save for perhaps Will and JJ (but even then, that wouldn't cause a seismic shift in the series' DNA itself, as the item implies). In fact, I imagine many fans who prefer in-team pairings would probably cheer and welcome the breakups :p. So yay for that, at least.
    So I'm just going to sit here and wait for the fandom explosion to happen for whichever show it winds up being. I feel for the fans of the pairing this DOES apply to, I'll say that much.

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  168. Sometimes they do things like that just to throw people off, too, though. In this particular case since so many people are already guessing a couple from one of the big four, he may have wanted to add the CW just to make people think it MIGHT possibly be another series altogether to try and make the series in question appear less obvious.

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  169. Castle, followed by OUAT were the first shows that came to mind. Felicity and Oliver is another possibility although I don't know if Arrow would classify as an ageing series. Or Jo and Alex from Grey's Anatomy is another possibility, but I don't see that having such a big impact on the series. .

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  170. Sebastian CaulfieldJuly 1, 2015 at 12:03 AM

    It's definitely not Grey's. After the big changes Shonda brought during season 11, it's highly impossible that no bigger changes will come anytime soon, specially if they come to couplings.

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  171. 11 for 7th haven... I miss that show...

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  172. Heh, you would be in a minority with that opinion, as I imagine many fans would love to see one of the characters (or more) be revealed to be gay :D. I know I wouldn't mind. But I'd be very surprised if the network ever let the show go there.

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  173. I can't see it being them either.

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  174. When does Castle premiere?

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  175. Hmm. Reading the clues back I can see where you could read the split as happening via death. I would imagine if the relationship was ending for any non-breakup related reasons, though, they'd have put that clue in there...unless they're holding back on that particular tidbit for whatever reason, which happens sometimes with these blind items.
    If this item were applying to a show I watched, I will say I'd much prefer a simple breakup over a couple being split apart by way of death, so hopefully for fans' sake death isn't part of this storyline somehow.

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  176. My thoughts exactly about Bones.

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  177. It probably is a breakup but the clues were ambiguous enough...

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  178. Well I read it on another site first and at the time they were speculating mostly "Castle" or "Grey's"

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  179. They are :). Heck, some people on TV Line have even theorized the breakup could be professional in nature rather than romantic. That would still cause a lot of fans to be upset if they like seeing the couple in question work together, of course, but if they're still together romantically, maybe that might help soften the blow a little?

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  180. You know, that idea has crossed my mind.

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  181. Damn. That's definitely early fall. Well, I guess we'll find out in Sept/Oct, which of these shows it'll be.I

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  182. I am thinking Bones! Booth's behavior has been unstable! Castle and Beckett! They just got together. " Beckett is suppose to be the love of his life." Why join them and break them up so quickly! Makes no sense! Fist dump Gates and hire a young sweetie. WTW?

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  183. There's been a rumor going around for the last couple of years that David Boreanez wants out of Bones.

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  184. True. The wording definitely feels like it walks around an actual romantic split.

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  185. I really hope it is Castle and Beckett..

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  186. Supposedly, Reid was supposed to be bisexual, but CBS nixed it. I wouldn't mind if they finally decided to go that way.

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  187. I'd heard about that, yeah! I would be cool with that, too. I'd also heard something from an interview Kirsten Vangsness did some time back where she said the writers had considered showing Emily waking up next to a woman in an episode, implying she might be bi/gay, too. But again, network shot it down.
    Considering the number of team members on that show, the odds of at least one of them having gay/bi leanings, if not outright being gay/bi, would be pretty strong, I'd think.

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  188. Hoping it`s not Castle and Beckett, Marlow said once he will never split them and more, even Mr Lee from ABC loves this couple.

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  189. I'm not even sure how anyone could speculate Grey's? There are no other "DNA-altering" couples now that MerDer is over, none of the other couples is that critical, it's a true ensemble now.

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  190. I might be over dramatic but I hate to see divorce, especially on TV. It would be nice to see a couple that weathers storms and doesn't just hop from one partner to another. Caskett now has 5 marriages between them, that's sad and to split up a couple "to shake things up", not good; marriage is serious, not something to just throw away when it becomes inconvenient. So, regardless of the couple, poorly done writers.

    Although as I'm typing this, my cynical brain is now wondering if this is just the new showrunners trying to build interest due to dwindling ratings from poor previous leaderships...? I know Castle has new showrunners and I think Bones might be under new leadership as well. Something to think about until September.

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  191. As much as people want to think it is Castle, it doesn't make a lot of sense considering separating them on episodes last season really hurt the show. I doubt Stana would have been as pleased to re-sign if that was the plan.

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  192. I just cannot see it being Bones at least where Booth and Brennan are concerned. However its possible it could be Angela and Hodgins but even that is pushing it Really if this were to be Bones last season it would be an even more depressing story than this year.

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  193. I don't know,either. The writers took a litlle over 7Years to get them together and when they've only been married for less than a year? Seems a bit unrealistic. Don't hate me, but if this is their way of shaking things up, I think it would have been better not to even renew the ! I think Andrew and Terri left the show in a good place last season and I was. very happy with it.

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  194. I've not heard anything about this. heard a long time ago that they had deals with ABC for a Phillip Marlowe story

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  195. Love Terri and Andrew. Hope to see them do something else for tv again.

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