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POLL : What did you think of Game of Thrones - Mother's Mercy?

15 Jun 2015

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193 comments:

  1. "A"15 June 2015 at 03:01

    Nooooooooooo !!!!!!!

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  2. laura334115 June 2015 at 03:02

    Wow!!!!!

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  3. Debsterforever15 June 2015 at 03:03

    Jon Snow is dead but Melisandre will bring back JON TARGARYEN, KING OF THE ANDALS AND FIRST OF HIS NAME

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  4. Freda15 June 2015 at 03:03

    What a difficult scene the Lena Headey (Cersei) had to film.

    Does anyone know why Danny dropped her ring? I have no clue what is going on with the scene, but the riding around her in a circle looked reminded me of the 'Mysa' scene.

    Oh, god, is Jon dead? How could it end there?

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  5. Debsterforever15 June 2015 at 03:04

    Don't worry. Melisandre is already here.

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  6. Pablo Troncoso15 June 2015 at 03:05

    This isn't happening.... this isn't happening.
    I'm in complete denial. Jon... is he dead?


    On the other hand, Cersei got some of what she deserves. After everything she has done, it was time for her to suffer

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  7. Debsterforever15 June 2015 at 03:06

    Stannis is dead and Melisandre did ride to the wall even before it happened. Do you think that's a coincidence.

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  8. Rheinmeister09 .15 June 2015 at 03:07

    For a minute I felt sorry for Cersei, think it's going to be short lived. She'll be back and even bigger a bitch next season. I'm assuming we are meant to believe that Sansa and Theon survived that jump or just that death was better than dealing with Bolton again?? Who are the guys that surrounded Dany??

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  9. DiabetesMan15 June 2015 at 03:07

    That was an insane episode. Next season is going to be crazy. And remember though, we didn't see Stannis die or his dead body. I have a feeling he is not dead. But wow, that ending.

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  10. Justin Valdes15 June 2015 at 03:07

    I HATE THIS SHOW WHY WOULD KILL MY FAVORITE CHARACTER JON SNOW I'AM SO PISSED OFF.

    When is it returning?

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  11. Freda15 June 2015 at 03:08

    Do you know if we are caught up to the books?

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  12. Madani Bah15 June 2015 at 03:08

    I don't think Stannis is dead though.

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  13. Freda15 June 2015 at 03:08

    Do you really think that Brienne would leave him alive?

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  14. Debsterforever15 June 2015 at 03:09

    Jon Snow was never my favorite character. So I'm not angry at all that Snow is dead. But Jon Targaryen is my third favorite character after Tyrion and Arya (WHAT A SCENE!).

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  15. Debsterforever15 June 2015 at 03:10

    We are more than caught up. In the books Stannis isn't destroyed.

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  16. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 03:10

    Brutal in every sense of the word!


    A lot of expected deaths, but some surprises as well.
    - I knew Benjen was not returning, but he did make for a ggod bait and switch!
    - Myrcella's death was not a shock, but how it went down was so disappointing to me.
    - Arya's kill was brutal and bloody, but Cersei's was equally brutal.



    The biggest surprise to me was Varys in Meereen!
    I Love Varys and Tyrion together so that made me smile... Even if it was short-lived!


    So many cliffhangers and so little time spent on each scene... It was brutally effective, but I honestly wish we had more time spent on less scenes. A small nit to pick in an awesome episode though.

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  17. Aleana Harris15 June 2015 at 03:10

    Wow! They can't killed Jon Snow off seriously though it must be hard to be a Stark kid happy Cersri got hers but did they really have to cut her hair though I don't think Stannis is dead

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  18. Debsterforever15 June 2015 at 03:11

    No way. They made a cliffhanger with two "dead" kings. Only one will be alive: Jon

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  19. DiabetesMan15 June 2015 at 03:11

    Why would the show, show a major character die off screen?

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  20. Freda15 June 2015 at 03:12

    Thank you!

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  21. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 03:12

    I think they are equal to or past every arc in the books except Sam and Arya.... A few arcs like Jaime, Dorne, Brienne, and Winterfell are so different its hard to gauge, but we are mostly caught up in King's Landing and at the Wall.

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  22. Pablo Troncoso15 June 2015 at 03:12

    I honestly don't know. I think Melisandre is questioning everything right now as Stannis didn't come through. I think her vision is right though, the Bolton will fall, just not by Stannis' hand, which rises the question, who will be?
    And about John, can he be saved? The lord of light has brought someone back to life on the show, so maybe Melisandre can save John, but for what reason? I just don't know, and I have no idea how much of a detour the writers will make from the books. Who knows? Maybe they'll kill him off, maybe they won't, but the wait until next April will be brutal

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  23. Debsterforever15 June 2015 at 03:14

    Because they like to see everybody riddling about the death of not just one character and book readers would be even more angry than they already are if the body of dead Stannis would have been showed.

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  24. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 03:14

    A new Dothraki horde is surrounding Dany.


    One of the leaked casting roles was for a warrior most assume to be the new Khal of said horde....

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  25. Alice15 June 2015 at 03:15

    Amazing finale! RIP Stannis and Myrcella. Poor Cersei, I was almost feeling sorry for her. Loved Tyrion, Jorah and Daario scene.

    But I have to say, I was almost crying when Jon Snow was getting stabbed by his "brothers", I wasn't expecting for that. Is he really dead? :(

    2016 looks so far away.

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  26. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 03:15

    I wonder about that too.
    With no kill shot on screen it feels a lot like Brienne's cliffhanger in the books with Stoneheart... And we wait...

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  27. Alice15 June 2015 at 03:17

    Well my guess is that she dropped her ring to hide about her/her dragons ?? I don't know

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  28. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 03:18

    Well...
    Kit Harringnton is signed on for next season if that means anything. XD

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  29. Lorein15 June 2015 at 03:18

    Anyone who thinks that Jon stays deadI have a bridge I'd like to sell them.

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  30. Debsterforever15 June 2015 at 03:18

    Jon is Azor Ahai. Melisandre thought Stannis would be Azor Ahai before the beginning of that episode. Jon is now king of both bloodlines. Targaryens and Baratheons.

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  31. DarthLocke415 June 2015 at 03:20

    - Jon I think can be salvaged by Melisandre (and she seriously needs her faith renewed. I have never seen her looking so devastated--nice to know she has other emotions other than no-it-all glee, although, I wonder if she already knows something?)
    -Really enjoyed the Daario, Tyrion, Grey Worm, Jorah, and Messandi scenes (and YAY for Varys)
    -Poor Myrcella and Jaime - confessions don't seem to be working out to well
    -That Cersei scene was incredible. I know she deserved it, but still feel bad for her, especially because the prophecy is coming true...just one son left.
    - And wow, what twisted Arya scene faces scene, nothing like seeing yourself die so you can become no one!
    -Cool to see Theon save Sansa. Be interested to see how far they will get and how that might configure into things should we take some steps back and introduce the other Greyjoys after all, especially since Sam is just now leaving for Oldtown...
    -Dany! Back to where you started, or did you find some more to join your army? (and surprised we didn't see something else...)
    -Knew Breinne would avenge Renley...no one can say that Stannis is a quitter!
    -No surprise Bran and Bloodraven scene, dratts! :p


    Pretty good finale. Lot of emotional stuff. I hope the next book actually does get released before next season!

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  32. Ondřej Byzon Kazda15 June 2015 at 03:20

    Well, he isn't. EW just posted an interview with him, and it is official: he's not comming back.

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  33. Debsterforever15 June 2015 at 03:20

    There's not a single reason for Brienne to spare his life. They just didn't want to get more problems with book readers.

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  34. Robert Fruin15 June 2015 at 03:21

    I have been wondering if she killed Stannis. We didn't actually see his death on screen and the writers aren't afraid to show it. I'm just thinking because he's such a big character it felt odd to not see confirmation of his death.

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  35. Madani Bah15 June 2015 at 03:22

    I don't know why but the Stannis scene reminds me of Brienne's last scene on Book 4 for those who have read the books. I may be totally wrong though.

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  36. Debsterforever15 June 2015 at 03:22

    That's wrong. It was an interview with Emilia Clarke. Danaerys was eaten by Drogon.

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  37. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 03:23

    Yeah I see that, but I will believe only after I see him dead and burned next year - not before.


    Everything up to that point could be misdirect to avoid a huge spoiler for next season.. That said, Who knows!

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  38. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 03:24

    I said the same thing below...
    It feels like misdirection without seeing the kill blow.

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  39. DarthLocke415 June 2015 at 03:25

    After guessing that Davos knew about Shireene and being wrong and seeing HOW distraught Melisande looked when she was at Castle Black, I think she might not know exactly yet, but I do not doubt that she will come to realize it...


    I guess when you loose something, it's best to go back and retrace your steps :p

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  40. Robert Fruin15 June 2015 at 03:26

    The biggest question I have is: Is Stannis dead?


    Yes, it appeared that way but since they didn't actually show us him dying I'm wondering if she didn't go through with it and her swing deliberately missed like Jon with Ygritte (That one time).


    Stannis admitted to killing his brother and for a moment there it looked like she was having second thought's. For such an important moment for Brienne you would think we'd see it and since Stannis is a major player.

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  41. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 03:27

    Also...
    How ridiculous bad ass was Ser Robert Strong AKA The Undead Mountain!?!?

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  42. Boryna15 June 2015 at 03:28

    But what about Lady Stoneheart (aka Mothers mercy) is she going to appear on the show?

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  43. DarthLocke415 June 2015 at 03:31

    The Winds of Winter is allegedly suppose to be out by then and we already have a some spoilers in the show from the next book. The biggest theory for Jon in the book is his warging, but since that can't happen here, then it seems Melisande may come to learn something from Thoros of Myr...


    She will save him because she believes in saving the world against the God of Death (Ice) --the one thing I was really glad the episode did, was point out that she is genuine in terms of her own beliefs--that she wasn't intentionally misleading Stannis. And we also know, she initially wanted something from Jon Snow before, and he refused and it didn't happen---so now it's happening after or near death, just like Arya in the scene we just saw. Various rebirths seem to be in the wind....

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  44. DarthLocke415 June 2015 at 03:36

    Very True. It's hard to say, because allegedly the Shireene scene we already saw is in the next book, but yet Stannis ends in a similar place as novel--with fate unknown. I guess it all depends on what the Shireene-scene entailed in the book--if it related to something else, allowing for Stannis to march on or if he just turns arounds and dies anyways?

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  45. nobody15 June 2015 at 03:37

    - in season 2 Dani spent 3 riders out: 1) one was dismembered 2) one found Qarth and 3) the other we have not seen or heard from since they rode off. I am sure he is among those riders who in circled Dani............as for her dropping her ring to the ground.............that was so they couldn't identify her as the "Silver Queen" Daenerys, the last Targaryen.
    - the Night's Watch has zero comprehension of what's coming or the magnitude of danger the "Seven Kingdoms" is truly facing.
    - the Prince of Dorne played right into the "Sand Snakes" plan of starting a war with Westeros by first letting Ellaria be there for the departure (the farewell kiss was just that) and then sending his son to Westeros..................Dorne has no other recourse but war now. When Cersi learns of her daughter's fate Tristane is doomed.
    - it was great to see Brienne finally get her revenge for her "King" Renley................Stannis was terrible towards the end, but he definitely went out on his shield in the end.
    - Arya played a game she had no business playing and now she appears to be paying the "price" for her mistake..........well at least she's still alive...........for now.
    I know this season lost a lot of momentum by the early release of the first 4 episodes (and the first season that was not a book adaptation), but this season was excellent as was the season's finale IMO. 4 THE LAST TARGARYEN RULE, I am still Nobody!!!

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  46. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 03:37

    So did Dany drop her mother's ring as a breadcrumb for Daario and Jorah tracking her?

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  47. DarthLocke415 June 2015 at 03:39

    Aww, didn't think of that, but you are probably right. I thought maybe she just didn't want to look married...

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  48. DarthLocke415 June 2015 at 03:41

    I was hoping so, but it seems if it is going to happen, it's been put off, but casting calls for next season may suggest that there will be some stories that will bring forward events from previous novels....

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  49. "A"15 June 2015 at 03:46

    April 2016

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  50. Omarlittletheking15 June 2015 at 03:48

    Im not a betting woman, but I would bet my salary that Jon's resurrect and he and his army of wildings destroy the Bolton.
    1- Melisandre talked with Thoros about resurrect people( beric)
    2- Melisandre says that see, the banners of the bolton in the ground, and she walking on the wall of winterfell, but she never sees stannis's banners on it. So, other person defeats the bolton.
    3- She leaves Stannis and goes back to The wall. Why leave stannis? why if she leaves stannis goes back to the wall and no other way?
    4- Davos says to Jon that he wildings will fight for him because he saved them.
    5- you don't create a mistery as big as who is Jon's mother, gives clues this season to kill the person that matters.
    6- Kit says that he has some movies in mind. At this point, he should had signed his other projects like was with Richard Madden( Robb) when he left.

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  51. DarthLocke415 June 2015 at 03:51

    I'm not sure, because the Shireene scene will actually happen in the next book, so depending on what the context of that scene is, considering it has to be after the Battle at Winterfell, and thinking that maybe this all happened because Jon Snow didn't listen to Melisandre to begin with, this might be a course correction of sorts, where Jon is revived and perhaps Stannis can keep going and still play an important role?!

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  52. Omarlittletheking15 June 2015 at 03:51

    Stannis was beated men. I preffer Brienne killing him than the bolton. Stannis knew that he was dying for a fair thing.

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  53. DarthLocke415 June 2015 at 03:53

    Her hair kind of reminds me of Brienne's horrible cut! Jaime might dig it ;)

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  54. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 03:53

    My official so-early-it's-ludicrous predictions for start of Season 6.


    - Jon will be brought back either by Melisandre or by some other means if he is fated to be reborn as Azor Ahai... Why would GRRM/ D&D build up a war to end all wars centered on The Wall only to send away or kill all the POV characters at The Wall? It makes no sense. Jon survives.
    - Reek.. um... Theon and Sansa will wake up broken and battered at the Quiet Isle under the care of the soon to be cast "Priest" Elder Brother/ Meribald Heretofore called Brother Elderbald. XD
    - At the Quiet Isle they will meet a tall gravedigger....
    - Dany will be captured and toyed with by the new Khal, but there be dragon... erm Drogon.
    - Tyrion and Varys will make short discovering who the Sons of the Harpies are..
    - Brienne did not kill Stannis. She will take on duty as his Kingsgaurd and with Davos and the help of the Mountain Clans (Shagga likes axes!) they will take back Winterfell.
    - The Kingsgaurd-That-Rides will carve a bloody path for Cersei's revenge until her trial begins. But who will be the champion for the Faith? Cleganebowl anyone? XD
    - Sam will go to Oldtown and hear rumors of the Ironborn attacking.
    -The Ironborn will be lead by the "Pirate" role soon to be cast.. AKA Euron Crow's Eye Greyjoy!


    Okay... I'm out of ideas for now.... and I bet not half will come to be! XD

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  55. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 03:54

    Ha! XD

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  56. DarthLocke415 June 2015 at 03:56

    "Okay... I'm out of ideas for now.... and I bet not half will come to be! XD"


    Ya, I love when I think of something like 4 weeks later!!!

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  57. Tesla15 June 2015 at 03:58

    not sure why they decsribed the Dorne thing as extreme because of a death of a character that I doubt anyone cared about though. The Dorne really was dissappointing this season. Unlikely Jon stays dead.

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  58. Omarlittletheking15 June 2015 at 03:58

    Brienne met Theon and Sansa and goes to the wall with them.
    Jon is resurrected by melisandre. Realizes that he has been "fired" from the watch. With mel, Davos( to avenge shireen - he diesn't know that was mel who kill her- ) tormund and wun wun who choose him as king of the wildings, rides to winterfell.
    - In the way, first stark's reunion sansa and Jon.
    - Jon defeats the bolton.
    the other plots. No idea,

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  59. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 03:59

    The most random things will make you think of a new theory too!
    You will be making toast and burn it and have a vision of Jon walking out of his funeral pyre or something just random!! XD

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  60. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 04:00

    I can see that too...

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  61. Michelle Roberts15 June 2015 at 04:02

    I hope the White walkers kill all of the night's watch

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  62. Toni15 June 2015 at 04:05

    Even when I knew what was coming, that was hard to watch.

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  63. Omarlittletheking15 June 2015 at 04:06

    lol. Olly is Kenard.

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  64. Rheinmeister09 .15 June 2015 at 04:14

    What about Sansa and Theon - did they survive the wall?? I'm assuming they did but not sure how...

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  65. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 04:14

    I can think of 2 reasons for Brienne NOT to kill Stannis.
    - Brienne's sworn duty is to protect Sansa. Stannis taking Witnerfell and giving Sansa the title of Wardeness of the North is about the best possible outcome that Sansa can hope for.
    - Brienne is not a emotionless killer. She has honor to a fault. Where is the honor in killing a defenseless man? I think it is maybe more in her character to save Stannis out of knight's honor than kill him out of revenge.

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  66. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 04:16

    I think they will survive and wash up at the Quiet Isle perhaps...
    Sending Theon and Sansa there would be a good way to introduce the Isle and the soon-to-be-cast "Priest" role. Also a tall gravedigger.....

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  67. irisheyes14315 June 2015 at 04:22

    That was my thought, too.

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  68. irisheyes14315 June 2015 at 04:23

    *I have not read the books* How is he king of both bloodlines? Thanks!

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  69. Paradisenow15 June 2015 at 04:25

    I hope the White Walkers kill all of the Night's Watch

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  70. DarthLocke415 June 2015 at 04:33

    I liked myrcella a lot and I wanted to her to make it. I thought the death was a little cowardlya and quit, but it went along with faceless men's scenes and parallel Shirieene. Now it feels like Maggie the frogs prophecies are much closer to truth and if there was anyone I wanted to be a fraud, it was her...

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  71. DarthLocke415 June 2015 at 04:36

    Yes! It is SO like that XD

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  72. Lisa15 June 2015 at 04:45

    Where is the option for devastated? Martin is still mum on Jon's fate, so I'm opting for the Melisandre cure...

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  73. Abraham Michaels15 June 2015 at 04:46

    That's what I immediately thought Dothraki

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  74. Lisa15 June 2015 at 04:47

    YES! Exactly that.

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  75. CCEkeke15 June 2015 at 04:47

    THIS x 10000

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  76. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 04:49

    So people who have not read the books... Welcome to our world! XD


    Now we all have no idea who is alive and who is dead! Jon "died" in a similar fashion in the books, Stannis was considered dead at the end of the last book, but no body was seen. Dany was flying off out of Meereen to who knows where...


    Readers, welcome to the land of the the unknowing, the unspoiled. We are all Unsullied today!

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  77. CCEkeke15 June 2015 at 04:50

    As great as it was to see Cersei get hers, Lena Headey MURDERED that penance walk. Also, I hated that frakking septa with her smugness.


    And all the Night's Watch need to die horribly by Wilding or White Walker.

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  78. Travis Crincoli15 June 2015 at 04:52

    the ring may have been a representation of her marriage to khal drogo. Or, she wished to have her wealth hidden.

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  79. Abraham Michaels15 June 2015 at 04:53

    So did anybody else not miss Bran and Hodor the entire season? I barely remembered them this year.

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  80. Abraham Michaels15 June 2015 at 04:58

    Really 24 people voted awful? How many trolls who didn't even watch the show are in those 24?

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  81. Jackx66-3.015 June 2015 at 05:24

    was it even her xD. It looked like a body double to me.

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  82. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 05:29

    I'm 99% sure many if not most parts of it were a body double.
    There was a casting call for a a female role that fit Cersei's description last year and it was noted that nudity was required.Plus her face looked like bad CGI overlay in a few spots of the walk.


    Yes, I did look at her face during the walk! XD

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  83. Zachary Rarick15 June 2015 at 05:30

    That finale was everything!!!!

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  84. Jackx66-3.015 June 2015 at 05:32

    Good episode but I didn't like the for the watch moment. Not because Jon Snow is my favorite book character and I want him to be important on tv as well. Not because those short-sighted fools killed the only guy who's genuinely and unconditionally cares for the good of the realm. Not because the free-folk are gonna tear them apart, a thing I will enjoy despite it will be very bad for everyone..But because Jon's alleged treason was aligning with the free-folk which was a very sound decision and the mission at hardhome..Not even a mention about the bastard letter. No oathbreaking and desertion..

    He'll be back though. Don't know how, but he will be back. Too important to simply die.

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  85. ShatteredOne15 June 2015 at 05:34

    Pablo! Another show for us to discuss! I'm completely with you that Cersei got what she deserved. At first I thought she was getting off light, but her portrayal and how that scene went I started thinking, she got exactly what she deserved. While Lena Headey played the hell out of that scene (well, her face did), I felt no empathy toward Cersei.


    Also, I'm thinking the arrival of Melisandre at Castle Black will mean something for Jon. He's had too much potential with the whole mystery/rumor of his parentage to be cut short now.

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  86. Tesla15 June 2015 at 05:37

    seems like major trolling on their part, even though usually if you dont see a character dead they arent.

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  87. Jackx66-3.015 June 2015 at 05:39

    I was looking at her face, most of the time xD. But as a book purist there was something that bugged me, and I am pretty sure you know what I mean.

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  88. ShatteredOne15 June 2015 at 05:40

    After the weakest of the Episode 9's, this was probably the strongest of the Episode 10's, since this had such big things happening in it as opposed to dealing with the fallout of Episode 9. Some stories felt like clean up and setting up for next season (Tyrion, Jorah, and Daario) still, but overall pretty solid.

    Loved seeing Meryn Trant get what's coming to him! It's been far too long for that child abuser to live. And Arya elevated to whole new levels of bad ass! Too bad about her harsh lesson, curious where they will take it from here and if it'll be similar to the books.

    Stannis. After I hated how cowardly and weak you were with what you did to Shireen last week, I did feel for you here. After a season of build up, you got your ass handed to you and it wasn't pretty. Too bad you didn't get Ramsay while you were at it, since he is still far worse than you were. I half-expected Brienne to get shanked from behind after or before she killed Stannis. It's fitting she was the one to do it.

    Go Theon! Which is probably the first time I've ever thought that. Way to finally step up and kill that annoying chick and potentially save Sansa!

    Poor Davos... Poor Mrycella...

    Poor Jon too. We'll see what comes of that. I'm hoping Melisandre will have something to do with a return for him.

    Last. The big scene. Did not feel any ounce of empathy for Cersei during her walk. Lena Headey knocked it out of the park with her face (since the body was quite obviously a double), and she deserved every ounce of that walk after all that shit she's pulled.

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  89. DarthLocke415 June 2015 at 05:45

    Wait! Wat! I got it! All the Eunuchs have to end up in Mereeen! ;)

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  90. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 05:48

    Hmmmm.
    No statue of Baelor? That she did not run at the end?


    I honestly never reflected on the pennace walk often so I don't recall the details as well as some other scenes. Too brutal to reread for me I guess...

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  91. Jackx66-3.015 June 2015 at 05:51

    Just kidding. I meant the hair, all the hair....

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  92. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 05:54

    Ahhh... I see. XD

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  93. Jackx66-3.015 June 2015 at 05:56

    Book 6 needs to come out before the next season. But it wouldn't matter too much, except the some big things that we need to find out for the original source. The show has diverted enough already, and while it's hard to accept, what are you going to do..However, I am seriously worried about the end result. Too much pressure and attention placed elsewhere, so most likely will be rushed. And when something is rushed, it really affects the quality. Already too many knots to tie together, so there would never be as good as we would had wished, but with all new factors considered.....

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  94. DarthLocke415 June 2015 at 06:03

    I think we could see more back tracking or inverted plot with some things from before happening later instead. If that were to happen, then maybe we would only get half of TWOW mixed next season. But I agree, I hate the rush feelings with certain things, especially because other things felt so slow also. There were some episodes that I thought the execution was not real smooth or consistant. But like you are saying, whatever will be, will be.

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  95. Jackx66-3.015 June 2015 at 06:04

    Sorry, couldn't help it...She is NOT the last Targaryen. And no that person she sent away a couple of seasons ago, isn't likely among them. They are not friendly. Perhaps they will be but I am not gonna lie. I am hoping they will cut her head off or drag her to their place and have her take the only rightful place she's got, which is among the wives of the former barbarian horselords leaders. Cause except the throne doesn't matter, it never went to her in the place. She is not even her house's heir.

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  96. Jackx66-3.015 June 2015 at 06:05

    It will be certainly be a letdown, but I can't really blame anyone. At the end of the day he doesn't owe as anything. A big disappointment nonetheless. That's what you get when you are invested in something.

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  97. DJohnson1515 June 2015 at 06:06

    I feel like most of the finales have been overstuffed, and that was the case for this one as well. However, there were some standout scenes throughout: Arya killing Meryn Trant, Cersei's walk--Lena Headey was absolutely brilliant there--and the Jon-Sam conversation. Looking forward to next season.

    A review: http://polarbearstv.com/2015/06/15/game-of-thrones-mothers-mercy-review-5x10/

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  98. azrael_128915 June 2015 at 06:35

    Lol. But they don't have to wait anywhere near as long as we have :p

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  99. Lou15 June 2015 at 06:48

    There is no actual way that Jon Snow is dead by the way and that isn't a book spoiler as we still don't know his fate in the books but he is going to come back for so many reasons but chiefly if he doesn't then everyone is completely and utterly screwed as he is the only one who cares enough to fight the White Walkers (along with Sam who is the brains of the operation).

    Melisandre got things really wrong with Stannis, and completely screwed up but she will get another chance to right this wrong and bring back the true savior.

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  100. Elhar15 June 2015 at 06:50

    Kit Harrington (really) postmortem interview in EW:

    "If anything in the future is not like that, then I don’t know about it – it’s only in David and Dan and George’s heads. But I’ve been told I’m dead. I’m dead. I’m not coming back next season. "

    So probably - at least I hope so - the show discards Martin's ruse with the killed-but-oh-not-really characters.

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  101. ThulaLani15 June 2015 at 06:53

    I LOVE Jon Snow (the only reason I am a fan of ASOIAF) but I feel I must be the only person in the world that wants Melisandre FAR FAR AWAY from him! I hate that witch so much its not funny. I want Jon to warg into Ghost, until he can return to his body, deal with the Night's Watch (traitors!) and the Nights King and show them who's boss!

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  102. actionjunkie15 June 2015 at 07:01

    If Melisandre could somehow parlay Shireen's death into saving Jon that would sure put a nice bow on the season. Sure GoT isn't in the business of satisfying resolutions but there were a ton of "wonky" or off things this season including Shireen's long talk (which was the HIGHLIGHT of the first part ofthe season) with Stanis who then turns down the Red Witch only to accept her offer later. Jon's long, long journey which is only communicated with to the guy who gets sent off only to be stabbed to death by the guys who let in a bunch of Wildlings... a ton of things were off this season but I'll keep faith the next season ties some things together as this show has definitely stocked up on "free passes."

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  103. ThulaLani15 June 2015 at 07:03

    I'm so mad I don't care what happens to the Watch, they "killed" the only guy on all the seven bloody kingdoms that is trying to save/protect everyone! I still believe Jon will return, he's the Song of Ice and Fire, to me at least, and I refuse to believe he's gone gone!

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  104. ThulaLani15 June 2015 at 07:05

    Yep we are all unsullied now. I want George to finish the books, I need him to finish the books. I have waited to long!!!!!!!!!

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  105. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 07:06

    Agreed.
    I know some people are upset by so many cliffhangers. Maybe they wanted to move beyond the books to learn new things about the saga or they expected stories to be changed to have resolutions... but I was very happy the show left off at the same point as so many of the important book cliffhangers!


    Maybe GRRM will not release the next book by the time the new season roles around, but it still feels like the perfect breaking point to me. It puts everyone in the same place not knowing what is to come. I think I will enjoy that feeling next year!

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  106. magnutude15 June 2015 at 07:10

    fantastic finale that had some outstanding scenes and furthered the plots... even though some/much may be misdirection as many have speculated. I didn't realize that the show has pretty much caught up (and passed by in some cases) with the books for much of the characters, but obviously there are other plots/characters that haven't been mentioned this season that might become more of a focus for S6 and beyond.... All I know is that GRRM needs to put his writing brain/arm in overdrive immediately

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  107. DngnRdr15 June 2015 at 07:17

    Am hoping Jon isn't dead or if he is he gets resurrected... Kit's quotes could be very carefully phrased. Am also hoping Drogon isn't on last legs either.. he wasn't looking good. And last of all.... I missed Varys too.... the banter between him and Tyrion is just so perfect.

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  108. ThulaLani15 June 2015 at 07:21

    Baratheons? How? Is it because Baratheons are distant relatives of Targaryens?

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  109. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 07:26

    Despite the fact that Jon has always been one of my favorite characters in the books, I may be okay with him being truly dead if I thought it meant something to the story. Other than mirror Ned's demise in some ways I do not see the point of Jon's death.... How does it propel the story forward?


    The Long Night is coming and the Wall is the last defense of mankind. Sam has left. and if Jon is truly dead we have no POV into the Wall. Stannis was the only other person that believed in the NW, but his army is slaughtered or ran off and he is apparently dead! I'm not sure I see Davos staying at the Wall to be our POV... He's not even at the Wall in the books.


    Then on top of the logistics of it, why introduce Melisandre and the Brotherhood Without Banner's/ Thoros resurrection of Beric? It would appear to have been a red herring of monstrous proportions and not the best narrative choices.


    I guess this finale has just re-raised all the questions that the book readers have had for 6 years now! XD


    After tonight I won't worry about it too much.... Until production news comes in and makes me wonder once again.

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  110. Jessica15 June 2015 at 08:02

    Really? THESE are the options to express what we thought of the episode?

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  111. Samuel Winchester15 June 2015 at 08:03

    I am starting to feel like I'm watching Once upon a time where the villains are the only ones to ever get there happy endings.
    On another note I write this 10 episode season that HBO and just about every network in the world has gone to sucks plus the I'm really tired of cliffhangers at the end of every season, and now I have to wait 9 months if HBO doesn't change there minds and cancel to see what happens next. As for John Snow being dead maybe he is maybe he isn't maybe the red witch saves him? You never know, but chances are know she doesn't save him because the hero always gets killed in Game of Thrones or should I say the good guy always ends up being beheaded, betrayed by and allie at a wedding and killed, Not to mention about the good women some who have died can't think of any right now, but that brings to mind the Stark girl the redhead you know the one that just can't seem to get a break from being put together with some really bad men who all seem to want to cause her pain. There was a bit of good this season when the evil insest queen was taken by the religious nut jobs (haray for religious nut jobs not really) and forced to confess but then they let her live what is up with the writer of these books? I'm not sure if I'm going to be tuning in next year to watch anymore because 10 episodes and a 9 month wait between is BS.

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  112. Elhar15 June 2015 at 08:03

    Well, Harrington has also "complained" in the interview that unlike Rose Leslie he hasn't got any parting gift from the set - so maybe I was too early with my happy dance about the harsh consequences of one's death.
    Regarding the storytelling aspect you are right, Melisandre is a secondary character, who can't "keep" the POV on the Wall, so we will see. I think maybe the next season will follow more Bran and his Happy Campers band and returns back to the Wall only in the second part of the season, when we will see what happened with Jon - if happened anything.

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  113. CaliforniaGirl15 June 2015 at 08:37

    I was worried about the dragon also. I was really worried last week when he was being attacked but thought he was ok since he was able to fly away. Now I'm not so sure.

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  114. Ron15 June 2015 at 08:55

    The pace of thsi episode was ten times faster than all combined. From Staniss expected defeat to Arya's punishment, that was so underwhelming tbh. I was more surprised by Sansa and Theon's jump that Arya getting blind.
    Poor Myrcella just a victim of her fucked up family.
    Varys and his reunion with Tyrion, boy, how did we miss him.
    Cercei finally got what she deserves but i really can nopt wait to see how she will kill all of those people that tortured her and that Dr really is Frankestein e.e I dont like that part that much.
    And whatever happened to Margaery and her brother?
    Freacking hell. Sam and Jon were reallye ach otehr's protectors. One leaves and teh otehr gets fucked up.
    Im gonna say that Melisandre will save him, she has saved Staniss before so her return to the wall means she wills ave Jon afetr all she saw whatever she saw in him.
    But Crap WTH IS THAT ENDING.

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  115. Ron15 June 2015 at 08:59

    Melisandre will save hjim. Im not worry about it

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  116. Ron15 June 2015 at 09:09

    Yep i bet nexts eason it's going to be all about them

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  117. Ron15 June 2015 at 09:14

    I have my hopes that Melisandre will save him, what was teh point of her return then?
    For some twisted reason i want Cercei to egt her revenge and if that Frankestein is gonna do it, then im in it.

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  118. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 09:26

    I feel the same way about Cersei I think...
    I love to hate her, and I still want to see her brought down, but not like the High Sparrow and the Faith did it. Her getting her revenge on some of them only to once again be brought down at some later date will hopefully be more satisfying!

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  119. CaliforniaGirl15 June 2015 at 09:28

    I know they live in a time/place where the brutal reality is many will die horrible deaths but I still absolutely hate character deaths (unless they are named Joffrey).

    There is no way Jon Snow survived that, however, I think he'll be brought back with magic. With Stannis dead, red priestess needs another king candidate (pawn) to support (manipulate). Based on how she was eyeing Jon earlier in the season, I definitely think it's Jon.

    I hope Marcella survives because she's an innocent. Bronn's poisoning earlier in the season means they now know there is an antidote. They need to turn the ship around and fight for it.

    I'm concerned about the well being of the dragon. I was worried about him last week and the finale did not make me feel better.

    I really hope Arya does not stay blind. The trippy masked man scene was confusing. Loved her revenge scene though.

    Walk of shame was brutal. And where was Tommen? Napping with Sir Pounce-a-lot?

    'Vow of silence' knight was clearly The Mountain 'reborn'.

    If both Theon and Sansa survive that jump it will be kind of ridiculous. Especially considering the psychotic mistress fell roughly the same distance and was a bloody mess upon impact.

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  120. Sandi15 June 2015 at 09:28

    Melisandre has no idea how to bring people back form the dead, she barely believed Thoros when he said he could do it and got just about everything wrong about Stannis. She's come across as nothing but a fake prophet, especially during this last season on the show.


    Bran and/or the Three-eyed Crow, on the other hand, may be able to do something about it, or the children of the forest who are able to communicate with the dead. I'd find that more believable than Melisandre at the moment, unless she has a sudden huge shift in her abilities.

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  121. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 09:29

    I've read some theories that we could take a year off from the Wall like we did with Bran this year. Then Kit would be telling the truth when he says he's not back next year...


    Others thought he may have already filmed scenes for next season so they can avoid the spoilers from next season's production...


    I'm not sure I buy into either of those thoughts, but I do think he will be back at some point.

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  122. Ron15 June 2015 at 09:31

    Exactly! she needs to be eaten by Drogon or something like that lol.

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  123. CaliforniaGirl15 June 2015 at 09:33

    It's because of those nice brothels where the girls will snuggle with them... until they slit their throats, of course, since this is GoT. :)

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  124. Sandi15 June 2015 at 09:42

    Our guess was spot on about Benjen not actually returning but only being plot point. So glad I refused to get excited about that, lol.

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  125. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 09:44

    Sansa and Theon finding their way to quiet Isle seems silly to me now that I think of it. Maybe if they were at The Twins, but there are no rivers around Winterfell... Hot springs I think , but I doubt they flow into the Trident and down to the Quiet Isle.


    So... new theory.
    Sansa and Theon land on the ground above the Crypts under Winterfell. Since it damaged from the fire they fall through into the crypts breaking their fall. Something about those damned crypts.. I suspect they will come into play in the next two seasons at some point!

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  126. Sandi15 June 2015 at 09:46

    I did wonder if she did too, that age old adage, "if you didn't see it happen, it didn't actually happen." They could stuff a surprise LS appearance in there just as she was about the bring the sword down, or something else to stop her from delivering the final blow.

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  127. Sandi15 June 2015 at 09:51

    I'm also wondering if Myrcella is dead for the same reason. Tryst could possibly have possibly saved her at the last moment, and she survives but is maybe weakened. Very, very slim chance of that I know, it's more likely that they cut away from her dying as it was such a busy episode instead, lol. But in the books she survives an attack only to be scarred badly, which is why I wonder if she may survive this.

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  128. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 09:56

    I know right?
    A lot played out as expected really.. The three surprises for me were Stannis not even making it to Winterfell leaving Ramsay alive, Varys not returning to KL to kill Pycelle and Kevan instead showing up n Meereen to help Tyrion govern, and of course while we knew something would go down in Dorne I did not suspect it to play out like it did! Although as soon as Jaime was happy... I knew! XD


    You at some point guessed Myrcella would be killed I know. Kudos.


    I wonder if now after Season 5's finale w are finale done with people thinking Lady Stoneheart will make an appearance? I'm guessing nott! XD
    I bet some will theorize about StoneSansa at least....

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  129. DarqueMode15 June 2015 at 10:03

    Ack.. no!!!

    Not you too! XD

    I swear I'm beginning to think Lady Stoneheart is of the Drowned God not the Old Gods. Her every omission just seems to just bring more hope and theorizes of her possible appearance on the series... There may be no better example of 'What is Dead May Never Die' than her! XD

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  130. iabanon15 June 2015 at 10:12

    I voted 'awful' because they killed Jon Snow otherwise it would have been 'awesome'. I won't care about the characters at Castle black anymore. Big mistake killing him off. One of very few kind, brave and MORAL character on the whole fucking show.

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  131. Debsterforever15 June 2015 at 10:16

    Melisandre was wrong but she obviously has a connection to the Red God. It seems that she saw in a vision that Jon and not Stannis is Azor Ahai.


    This could be an important turning point for this character. I'm optimistic that Melisandre will also find out that the Red God doesn't want to burn everybody alive. She could nearly turn into a good person - but will still be killed when Davos finds out that she urned Shireen.



    I also believe we won't see Bran again until he can warg into Jon's dragon.

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  132. Elhar15 June 2015 at 10:44

    Yeah, clever wording can make you tell the truth even completely misleading the crowd :)

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  133. DngnRdr15 June 2015 at 10:56

    Really worrisome that I'm more concerned about the dragon than Stannis, or Jaime or most of the people :)

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  134. Robert Fruin15 June 2015 at 12:08

    "if you didn't see it happen, it didn't actually happen." Yep, that's what I always say to myself when I don't see a death.


    I just think when Brienne arrived she didn't expect to see such a broken man in Stannis. She expected resistance not him willingly giving in, which is why I for some reason I don't see her going through with it.

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  135. TadloS15 June 2015 at 12:11

    Cersei deserved what's she got, though. It was brutal but well deserved.

    And I absolutely doubt that Jon died. He is the "Ice" of this series. This is just big ruse by creators.

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  136. Robert Fruin15 June 2015 at 13:30

    I hate all these mini-cliffhangers within the episode. Perhaps we'll find out something when production starts from BTS photos or something which normally get put on the internet.

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  137. lichen264115 June 2015 at 13:50

    Wow were there a lot of character deaths in the finale...but it was another fantastic episode.


    I refuse to believe Jon Snow is dead...or that he's going to stay dead. It's no coincidence Melisandre showed up at the wall just before that happened. She'll probably bring him back with magic and maybe then we'll finally find out who his mother (and if my suspicions are correct, his real father) is...I just want confirmation already.


    Poor Myrcella...I knew that kiss was poisoned. I was yelling at the screen at Myrcella not to let that woman kiss her but I also figured she wasn't going to make it back to King's Landing alive. Sad too after such a beautiful scene with her father. Now Jaime has seen two of his children die...and if the prophecy is right, Tommen is next...


    The Mountain is back and Cersei's going to have him kill everyone starting with the High Sparrow. The biggest mistake he made is letting Cersei go back to the castle. She won't be answering for her other crimes...but at least she got a taste of her own medicine. And she's going to be devastated to find out about her daughter. It's so hard not to feel at least some sympathy simply because Lena Headey is that good. But she still got what she deserved.


    Theon finally! I don't know how they could survive that fall, it didn't look like there was that much snow there... but I also doubt that they both died. Interesting to see what came of that next season.


    I can't believe it...another year before it returns. This wasn't the best season, it felt very disconnected at times, but the last three episodes were phenomenal and I can't wait to see what happens next.

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  138. Cor Malum15 June 2015 at 14:37

    What I thought? Well, considering the treachery and evil that pervades every part of human society in this story, I'm now thinking of rooting for the army of the dead. I mean, seriously, how could they be any worse than the Lannisters or Ramsey or those Night Watchers who killed Jon Snow? At least, the Army of the Dead is straightforward and true to its cause...to eat all humans.

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  139. Robertkelly9315 June 2015 at 14:48

    Great finale i think Jon will come back from the dead Stannis deserves to die after having he daughter excuted.

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  140. Robertkelly9315 June 2015 at 15:11

    RIP Jon snow hope he come back from the dead in season 6.

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  141. Alice15 June 2015 at 15:44

    Weiss said that dead means dead :(

    But it's game of thrones, you never know

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  142. Alice15 June 2015 at 15:51

    I thought that Dorne was very disappointing too

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  143. Pablo Troncoso15 June 2015 at 16:22

    I just hope he survives and he is healed if he is going to remain on the show, a resurrection would be too much. I know it is possible in the world of GoT, but I don't think main characters should be revived, that always stroke me as a cheap storytelling device.


    It does worry me that the actor says he is not comming back... but then again both Madeleine Stowe and Tracy Milioti have lied about their fates of their characters, so who knows?


    For now I'll rejoyce in the fact that Cersei got what she deserved, as humiliation is possibly the best punishment for a woman as proud as her. And Lena played the scene in awesome manner, though I had no symphaty for her

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  144. DarthLocke415 June 2015 at 17:57

    Not exactly. Jon Snow didn't listen to her when she was asking something of him and I think for her, the magic works in such a way (on the TV series), that the visions are only true, when she follows important steps. In the books she tried to use Mance and then a vision that Jon took as Arya and tried to warn him about being stabbed in the back.


    When I think about how they paired this with Arya's experience, I see something that might be described as 'a course correction', where Arya back tracked, and she was punished for it by [at least thinking/if not actually] she "died" for it. So there's like this reciprocity to it. It could be the same for Stannis and Jon. I think that is why Melisandre went back to the wall, because she realized that Jon was important to her cause and visions outcomes and maybe she will find a way to remedy it, especially if Stannis is still alive also...

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  145. mwar15 June 2015 at 18:09

    Here's what ai think.
    I already knew Jon was gonna be betrayed by the Night Watch (because I've read the books) so it wasn't shocking for me. I think Melissandre is gonna resurrect him with her magic because it's not a coincidence that she returned to the Wall. And during the time he spends dead, Jon will live inside Ghost becaus he's a warg just like Bran. This actually is in the books but in the tv show has been omitted so they may not put it. And I'm not sure of this but I think Jon's eyes colour changed so that has to mean something. Kit Harrington has said he is not coming back to the tv show but I think it's a lie. (I hope so).
    RIP Stannis you won't be missed. He got it deserved for what he did to Shireen. It was a death according to his character. He knew he wasn't going to win because half of his army had deserted and even Melissandre had abandoned him but he decided to attack Winterfell. I know some people say maybe he's not dead because the moment in which Brienne kills him hasn't been shown, but what can I say? I'd like to think he's really dead. Besides, I don't think Brienne would forgive his life.
    I can't stand Daenerys. I don't like her and I don't really care about what happens to her. For me the scene of the last episode was fine though it's more impressive in the books. Her encounter with the khalasar looks like another stupid adventure in which Daenerys does a lot of things except going to Westeros.
    And this is for those who have read the books: What is Varys doing in Meeren?!

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  146. Ericsmoll15 June 2015 at 20:15

    My thought of the ring is :

    Identity ; the ring can be used to identify who she is
    OR (BOTH?)
    Tracking ; so Jorah and Daario can track and find her

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  147. sarah15 June 2015 at 21:05

    How did GRRM confirm it ? Didn't see this one

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  148. Sandi15 June 2015 at 22:57

    I had a feeling that Kevan would be ok, we hadn't seen him in the previously so most viewers probably wouldn't even remember who he was, lol. Varys in Mereen was a bit of a surprise though, it does kind of finally put a lid on Griff once and for all I think. Dorne and Myrcella was a hell of a let down, but then again why break the habit of what's come from there all season long....


    Nah, fans will still be going on about LS for decades to come, bemoaning how she should have never been cut XD

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  149. Sandi15 June 2015 at 23:01

    Dead is dead, but luckily GoT is a show that has dead people in it. There could be ways round it yet imo.

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  150. Sandi15 June 2015 at 23:08

    Lol, afaik LS is cut from the series, I used her name this morning as I had 10 minutes to make a couple of comments before heading out for the day, and my brain doesn't come up with much until it's had WAY more coffee to wake it up properly XD That scene just reminded me of her hanging scene in the book, like I think I've seen you mention elsewhere in the comments on here? At the very last second "a word" is said, and then we have to wait blooming ages to find out what the bloody hell has happened, lol.


    It could be that Pod saw the candle burning in the window and runs up with that info at the last second? Having Stannis alive to help rescue Sansa would be something I think Brienne would consider.

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  151. Martin Anders15 June 2015 at 23:45

    "And why did they do that to Arya?"

    Are you talking FM about turning her blind or the showrunners making her ruthlessly and sadistically kill Trant? Because I have no problem with the latter.

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  152. Martin Anders15 June 2015 at 23:50

    I think Varys still has his birds everywhere and he can still do what he is supposed to do through them if need be.

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  153. Martin Anders15 June 2015 at 23:57

    Martin said that they were killing off characters in the show who are still alive in the books. So far, we have Mance Rayder, Ser Barristan Selmy, Hizdahr Zo Loraq, Shireen Baratheon, Selyse Baratheon, Stanns Baratheon, Meryn Trant and Myrcella Baratheon. Did I miss any?

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  154. Martin Anders16 June 2015 at 00:03

    I think you over-estimate Cersei's power. The Mountain can't stand against the mob and the High Sparrow has all the smallfolk behind him. The Tyrells won't be supporting her anytime soon and the recent war has left the Lannisters pretty much bankrupt. Add to that, Cersei herself alienated her allies and after seeing her naked and bleeding, she can't command the same respect and authority as she once did. Sure, she'd go back to her evil ways, but I don't think she can walk over her enemies like she used to.

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  155. Martin Anders16 June 2015 at 00:06

    "I hope Marcella survives because she's an innocent. Bronn's poisoning
    earlier in the season means they now know there is an antidote. They
    need to turn the ship around and fight for it."

    If they were going to do that, they'd have done it this episode.

    "If both Theon and Sansa survive that jump it will be kind of ridiculous.
    Especially considering the psychotic mistress fell roughly the same
    distance and was a bloody mess upon impact. "

    She didn't have a cushion of snow to break her fall.

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  156. Martin Anders16 June 2015 at 00:10

    You are not. Trusting religious nutjobs like her is always a bad idea and even if she does bring him back, I don't want anyone to trust her again - especially after her colossal failure with Stannis.

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  157. Martin Anders16 June 2015 at 00:12

    Theon is taking Sansa to Mereen?

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  158. Martin Anders16 June 2015 at 00:27

    "The Night's Watch has zero comprehension of what's coming or the magnitude of danger the "Seven Kingdoms" is truly facing."

    I think the Night's Watch knows that, but old prejudices are still extremely hard to abandon.Take Wildlings for example - they knew all along what was coming for them and they knew that going south of the Wall was the only way to survive - they still refused to kneel to Stannis. And most of them still refused Jon's much more reasonable offer.

    "The Prince of Dorne played right into the "Sand Snakes" plan of starting a
    war with Westeros by first letting Ellaria be there for the departure
    (the farewell kiss was just that) and then sending his son to
    Westeros..................Dorne has no other recourse but war now. When
    Cersi learns of her daughter's fate Tristane is doomed."


    Maybe not. Doran can easily accuse Ellaria (and Nymeria, based on Bronn's testimony) and execute them for the murder of Princess Myrcella. Justice is served and is everyone is reasonable, the matter goes no further. Cersei is no longer in power and Jaime (and Kevan) would be a lot more reasonable in dealing with the mess.

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  159. Martin Anders16 June 2015 at 00:28

    Abandon hope. They've cut her out completely.

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  160. Martin Anders16 June 2015 at 00:32

    How would LS and BwB make it all the way to North without being noticed and without foreshadowing? And not just North - in the middle of the battle?

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  161. Martin Anders16 June 2015 at 00:35

    Everyone everywhere is so certain that Jon isn't dead that Martin and D&D are likely to keep him dead just to screw with you.

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  162. Martin Anders16 June 2015 at 00:36

    Has he? Because in his interview, he said that he hasn't.

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  163. Martin Anders16 June 2015 at 00:39

    The certainty of these comments worries me. D&D and Martin have made it a habit of subverting expectations and if they see so many people being sure of Jon's survival, they might do the opposite just for the hell of it.

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  164. Sandi16 June 2015 at 00:42

    Lol, LS is cut.

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  165. Martin Anders16 June 2015 at 00:47

    Both reasons seem weak.
    - Brienne would be much better off finishing Stannis and then going back to her job of saving Sansa instead of saving him, nursing him back to health and then spending a few years helping him rebuild his army (if she leaves him wounded, in the middle of a battlefield with nowhere to go, then he is as good as dead anyway).

    - Brienne is delivering her King's Justice. Knight's honor doesn't come into it. Its like Ned Stark beheading the defenseless man for his crimes.

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  166. Martin Anders16 June 2015 at 00:50

    How would they get all the way from North to the Riverlands?

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  167. Martin Anders16 June 2015 at 00:57

    What if the show goes back to their original arcs after this? Jaime, after his failure in Dorne, is sent to bring peace to the Riverlands. Sansa escapes and goes back to Vale while meeting Baelish on the way. Brienne, after hearing of her escape, tries to follow her and ends up in Riverlands as well.

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  168. DarthLocke416 June 2015 at 01:18

    I was absolutely being 100% sarcastic!

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  169. DarqueMode16 June 2015 at 01:23

    Ha! XD


    So true...

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  170. Martin Anders16 June 2015 at 01:24

    Yeah. And i took the joke a step further.

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  171. DarqueMode16 June 2015 at 01:29

    Technically...
    Jon Snow would have to be dead before he could be brought back to life or reborn... So they can be telling the truth and being misleading at the same time.


    This is simply a point in the books where no reader or viewer knows what is going to happen. We are all just guessing.

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  172. DarqueMode16 June 2015 at 01:37

    This episode really did have a lot of deaths... or "deaths" and "rebirths" didn't it?
    -Cersei the proud was laid bare to be reborn a different woman.
    - Arya saw herself die to reborn a blind girl.
    - Theon resurfaced as he put down Reek.


    If Jon and/ or stannis live...
    - Stannis could be reborn as a man who sees more than blind faith in prophecy.
    - Jon could be reborn as the man who fulfills a prophecy.

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  173. DarthLocke416 June 2015 at 01:47

    Exactly. Well pointed out.

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  174. DarqueMode16 June 2015 at 01:49

    Varys being in Meereen shocked me too, but I've been thinking...
    Maybe after he kills Pyscelle and Kevan Lannister in King's Landing in the books maybe he absconds to Meereen?


    If so then D&D just streamlined things. In the end is it important that the deaths of Pycelle and Kevan are by Varys's doing? Do they even need to be killed? We don't know exactly how things pan out in KL after those deaths or Cersei's return to the Red Keep so maybe things will not be so different in the books....

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  175. DarthLocke416 June 2015 at 02:00

    Because she used what they had begun teaching her for purposes THEY believe she is not suppose to. Seemingly the concept behind a Faceless Man is to let go of who you were (and for Arya, that specifically meant her ravaging needs for violence & vengeance, -her rage) and make yourself a servant to more seductively, quietly, and peacefully kill people deemed bad on behalf of The God of Death. So her punishment was to die, and be reborn without sight!


    (and I am not advocating it, just trying to explain it)

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  176. DarqueMode16 June 2015 at 02:07

    Interesting...

    I wonder what the future books hold for those characters though.... They may have other things that need doing, but I guess in theory they could loop back to their book arcs.

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  177. DarqueMode16 June 2015 at 02:11

    I read it last year somewhere.
    I don't recall the specific article/s I read, but here are a couple links.
    They all could be wrong I guess..

    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-7-leading-cast-members-sign-contracts-for-further-series-9828891.html

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/game-thrones-cast-signs-season-744314

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  178. DarthLocke416 June 2015 at 02:27

    Well if we're right about the casting, then I def think we may see more inverted plots, (and looping is thematic in this finale) than expected. It's one way for them not to just blow through all of WoW and give us a bit more of what we wanted. (as long is it's better than how they went about Dorne, I'm good with that).


    I mean they could have Tyrion be responsible (on his watch) for the deaths of the ------, instead of Dany. See Sam come too see the sieges of EG, have VG cross the narrow sea with maybe someone else we know, ect.

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  179. DarqueMode16 June 2015 at 02:34

    All true.
    I always assumed that the last two books would be large tomes requiring 10 episodes to cover the material and that would leave little time for any backtracking to pick up on arcs from the books that were ignored the first time around, but we just do not know.

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  180. DarthLocke416 June 2015 at 02:39

    I'm hoping they will change their minds and realize that 7 seasons will not be sufficient, I'm not saying that I would want it to go on and on forever, but I think 8 - 10 is fairer when we consider that's only 80-100 episodes and plenty of series have outdone that (although not with this budget)...But like you said, it's all up in the air.

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  181. DarqueMode16 June 2015 at 02:47

    My ideal was 8 from the beginning with 9 being a possibility if the last two books were huge. Seeing as D&D still could be moving beyond the books though I have come to think they will keep it as 7 seasons.


    Excising the "Griifa" and related material, the Quentyn arc, the Riverlands material, and streamlining most other arcs allows them to make 7 seasons a reality.


    It would be a nice surprise if it goes 8 or more season, but I've accepted 7 now I guess.....

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  182. DarqueMode16 June 2015 at 02:53

    I think in Season 1 Khal Drogo kills Mago, but he is still alive in the books as far as I recall.



    If you meant just death in Season 5 I think you covered it though....

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  183. JuTereno16 June 2015 at 14:41

    Season finale's final balance:

    Deaths: Myrcella, Stannis's crazy wife, Stannis, Myranda, Jon Snow
    Unknown future (dead or alive): Jon Snow (hopefully), Theon, Sansa
    Unknown future (is this ending going to be good or bad?): Daenerys
    WTF??: JON FUCKING SNOW, Arya (blindness, really? Nooo)
    Departures: Sam, Gilly.

    You're gonna have a baaaad time in season 6: Jaime, Trystane
    Your future looks pretty good (or better than everyone else's): Tyrion (THANK GOD, please, keep at least one in good shape, thank you)


    Awesome finale, though!

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  184. 2460116 June 2015 at 18:16

    "Hey they took all our horses"
    Melisandre: "Not mine.... AND it's the fastest horse in the history of the universe.... BTW The Lord of Light has something something.... whatever, Stannis, you're F****ed"

    Stannis: "I'm the greatest tactician in the seven kingdoms..... everyone left..... oh well, march along!"

    Theon/Reek: "You took the red pill right?"
    Sansa: "What?"
    Theon/Reek: "Never mind.... just jump. You'll totally be OK. Because the snow simultaneously melted and left a huge snowbank that wasn't apparent on screen for us to land on.... It's there, trust me!"

    Dany: "I think I'll go for a walk...."

    Cersei: "Me too."

    Zealot-nun: "SHAME! SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME!"

    Arya: "Yeah I got mine..... Where'd everyone go?"

    Jon; "Oh you guys this isn't funn..... HEY That hurt!!!"

    The end.

    That about sum it up?

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  185. ThulaLani17 June 2015 at 07:31

    Yes she's a religious nut but I'm not really slanting religion. Beric Dondarrion is cause to be (slightly) hopeful, true but he didn't have Meli as his priestess to ruin him. He's tragic enough for coming back over and over and in the long run, I really don't want that for Jon because he won't really be Jon, just a shadow of him that can't really die.


    My beef with her is that she mislead and ruined one of the few characters I love and to move her into Jon's orbit is just....ugh! Keep her away, let Jon warg into Ghost or something, anything but resurrection by R'hllor through Meli. This woman creeps me out, especially after orchestrating Stannis' downfall in the skeeviest way. Jon is too pure to be saddled with that creep for the rest of the story. I'd even welcome Jon becoming a wight just to avoid Melisandre having a say in his arc.

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  186. Sandi17 June 2015 at 13:49

    I'm completely with on on keeping her away from Jon, after everything she has done I can't understand why anyone would want her to bring him back. She's responsible for so much death, and manipulated Stannis into performing horrendous acts, yet fans of Jon want her to start all over again on him?!


    What does worry me is that in the show they made a point of Thoros saying he was about to loose his faith in R'hllor in just before he raised Beric the first time, which changed his life around. It's pretty obvious that Melisandre was looking lost and forlorn in the finale, like someone who is questioning her faith. So I hope this isn't leading to her being able to learn how to resurrect people from the dead too.

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  187. Martin Anders17 June 2015 at 17:01

    "I really don't want that for Jon because he won't really be Jon, just a shadow of him that can't really die."

    "Jon is too pure to be saddled with that creep for the rest of the story."

    So, you think Jon becoming a Wight - a mindless follower of the WhiteWalkers with no will and no life of his own as well as something that cannot die is better than being resurrected as mostly himself by Melisandre?

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  188. ThulaLani18 June 2015 at 11:59

    Based on past experiences, Beric has been resurrected, I don't know how many times and he was not thrilled about it the last time he was around. Coming back from the dead through R'hllor changes you and it is no life I want for Jon. He may be "mostly" himself but there will always be something that just isn't right and to add crazy Melisandre (who led Stannis to his doom) in to the mix, I'm even less inclined to want this for Jon. I don't want him mostly himself, I want him completely himself with no consequences or not at all.


    Jon becoming a wight (not that he would, they would burn his body soon after), is as good as him being dead, a mindless prop that and no longer serving real purpose on the show and the story other than death and destruction to the world of the living. I will accept his "death" only because I know there is no way Meli could do to him what she did to Stannis, he would have died honorably doing what he knew was right and what was the purpose of the Watch, to defend all men, irrespective of who and where they came from. He would have died untainted and honestly, all men must die. Let him remain dead, or have him warg into Ghost.


    I just want no chance for shadow babies to eliminate his enemies, the prospect of Meli killing people in order to get him to wherever she was taking Stannis. Melisandre is no way a good person with the most altruistic of intentions. She's a poison that destroyed Stannis and I refuse to expose Jon to even a fraction of that. He won't ever be Jon Snow, bastard of Winterfell he'll be some weird shadow of the person I love in all the seven realms.

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  189. Martin Anders18 June 2015 at 12:30

    Why do you assume that even if Mel resurrects him, she'd be able to poison him like she did Stannis? In fact, why do you assume that Mel would remain unchanged even after all this? After her colossal failure with Stannis, she is likely to be a lot less sure of her powers and her visions.

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  190. ThulaLani18 June 2015 at 13:16

    Probably because the books and the show have taught me to be pessimistic. GRRM never promised a happy ending. As fans, we hope and expect it to happen then something horrific happens to erase that delusion(?) The show runners even had Tyrion dissuade Oberyon (the audience) about expecting happy endings. I am hopeful for the story, I wouldn't be a fan if I wasn't but bad things do still happen to those with well intentions, the good guys.

    Sure it's possible Melisandre could be changed for the better with discovering that Jon is the one she's been searching for most of her life. My hope just doesn't accommodate anything where she's concerned. The books/show are more than welcome to prove me wrong and maybe they will (deus ex machina anyone?) but until we get there, I will stick by my original statement, keep Melisandre away from Jon Snow.

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  191. Martin Anders18 June 2015 at 14:29

    You are missing my point - this isn't about happy endings at all.

    Melisandre was able to wield her power over Stannis because she proved to him that her magic worked and that her visions came true. Even Stannis's loss at Blackwater was blamed on his decision not to take her with him and leaving her behind. Until now, Melisandre was this infallible prophetess who had always steered Stannis towards victory (and if she had any doubts, she went to great lengths to conceal them). But she can no longer be the same person to anyone else.

    I don't expect Mel to change for the better - not in any real sense. She'd still be blindly devoted to her god and she'd still try to push people towards her interpretation of their destiny. But, in light of her failure, she might just start questioning her visions a little bit before making any grand pronouncements. Even if she doesn't, others would throw her failure in her face and think twice before signing up for whatever crazy plan she comes up with next. She can no longer wield the same power and influence over Jon as she did with Stannis because her facade has been broken. Which is why, I don't think she'd be able to manipulate Jon Snow like she manipulated Stannis, even if she brings him back.

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  192. ThulaLani18 June 2015 at 17:54

    For my part, I still wouldn't risk it. It's not that I'm misunderstanding you. I simply prefer Melisandre away from Jon based on her history alone.

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  193. Martin Anders18 June 2015 at 23:07

    Oh, I get that. I just don't get preferring it to Jon being alive.

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