Is that scene perhaps in Jack's wife's funeral church ? - Will is in a suit and tie for the scene. Mason does not appear to be done quite as disfigured as he was in the movie - still not pretty, though.
That probably is a good guess about 'Bella'!! . I think if they make Clarice African American, having Bela pass away sooner than expected would help bridge that relationship for next season better IMO.(The daughter he never had kind of thing)
Right, Byran Fuller has hinted that they are thinking about making Clarice African American ( if they ever get the rights to her). Good thinking about the surrogate daughter bond. But Bella's passing would not actually have been sooner than expected, would it ?, because she was pretty ill last year and we have had an 8 month time jump.
Even if they can't get the rights, I know he will make a similar character (and other SOTL characters) with just a different name.
But trying not to be too spoilerish, Jack dies at the end of the Hannibal novel just after his wife does. It goes hand in hand with Clarice's and Hannibal's relationship, especially Clarice's transformation, because Thomas Harris gives us all of these ideas, but never really says what the truth is behind the change, but Jack's death, also because he does not ever go looking for Clarice, makes the whole affair come off a bit mystical, like a demented fairy tale.
Part of the issue is that now episodes 1-7 are a Hannibal Rising and Hannibal mash-up, so certain ideas/plots from both works are being blended in a new way, which I suspect doesn't just have to do with the time line difference, but also because Fuller might be trying to make the associations between the two novels much stronger and have Hannibal's past be more immediately relative to his over all story, instead of it being something of an after thought, since all of Hannibal Rising actually takes place in his childhood and young adult life...
Yes, I agree with that, but IMO he is still working very hard towards the Clarice = Mischa and is "super special" concept and keeps dipping into the mystical a bit and has used a great deal of the source material to his advantage. I keep thinking Fuller will make Robert Lecter a long term antagonist to fill the Lithuanian Men-void, and use him to push their love story instead, making Clarice a Sheba...
I actually just finished a theory article about it. You totally don't have to read it, but I will put the link here in case anyone would like too!
I was wondering what you thought about something that should be coming up - I won't lay it all out in case there are those who are not familiar with what happens in the continuing story but you will recognize the quote and its context - when "he" tells someone to 'kill them all " --- my question to you is given the type of relationship with which Fuller has imbued Will/Hannibal interaction ( which differs from the source material quite a bit in its intensity), does that "kill them all" directive seem out of character for the TV version of the antagonist in your opinion ?
I don't think so, because there is evidence in Red Dragon that these characters did have an intense relationship prior to it's events. Chesapeake Ripper and Abigail are mentioned in passing...Molly Foster comments about hating Jack Crawford because she feels that he pushed Will to far and we know that FD was a former patient of Hannibal's. So if anything I think Thomas infers that Hannibal's rage in Red Dragon, comes from a history with these people and I think Fuller picked up on it and made even more personal to Hannibal with both Will and Abigail as a bridge from past to future, but also by these events juxtaposing things in the other novels, especially HR, suggesting that Hannibal was reminded of his past and what he lost (and the war he is fighting against human limitation/God, he's anti-peace) through this experience, and thus we see him slip and act more outrageous than at other times.
If anyone is not in line and quite a bit different it's Will Graham, however, his abilities all play to Stephen Hawking concept and, even there, Fuller I think just updated his work into an updated Hannibal. Not just time in reverse and broken, but now multiple universe = all outcomes...
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Is that scene perhaps in Jack's wife's funeral church ? - Will is in a suit and tie for the scene. Mason does not appear to be done quite as disfigured as he was in the movie - still not pretty, though.
ReplyDeleteAnother episode with extensive flashbacks? Hopefully they're not going to take up too much screentime.
ReplyDeleteMore flashbacks - probably to keep up with themes of Hannibal Rising and there fun exploration of Hawking-esqu reality outcomes.
ReplyDeleteThat probably is a good guess about 'Bella'!! . I think if they make Clarice African American, having Bela pass away sooner than expected would help bridge that relationship for next season better IMO.(The daughter he never had kind of thing)
ReplyDeleteRight, Byran Fuller has hinted that they are thinking about making Clarice African American ( if they ever get the rights to her). Good thinking about the surrogate daughter bond. But Bella's passing would not actually have been sooner than expected, would it ?, because she was pretty ill last year and we have had an 8 month time jump.
ReplyDeleteEven if they can't get the rights, I know he will make a similar character (and other SOTL characters) with just a different name.
ReplyDeleteBut trying not to be too spoilerish, Jack dies at the end of the Hannibal novel just after his wife does. It goes hand in hand with Clarice's and Hannibal's relationship, especially Clarice's transformation, because Thomas Harris gives us all of these ideas, but never really says what the truth is behind the change, but Jack's death, also because he does not ever go looking for Clarice, makes the whole affair come off a bit mystical, like a demented fairy tale.
Part of the issue is that now episodes 1-7 are a Hannibal Rising and Hannibal mash-up, so certain ideas/plots from both works are being blended in a new way, which I suspect doesn't just have to do with the time line difference, but also because Fuller might be trying to make the associations between the two novels much stronger and have Hannibal's past be more immediately relative to his over all story, instead of it being something of an after thought, since all of Hannibal Rising actually takes place in his childhood and young adult life...
I've read all the novels and seen all the films. I assumed they were going to make a composite of all the material done in their own way.
ReplyDeleteYes, I agree with that, but IMO he is still working very hard towards the Clarice = Mischa and is "super special" concept and keeps dipping into the mystical a bit and has used a great deal of the source material to his advantage. I keep thinking Fuller will make Robert Lecter a long term antagonist to fill the Lithuanian Men-void, and use him to push their love story instead, making Clarice a Sheba...
ReplyDeleteI actually just finished a theory article about it. You totally don't have to read it, but I will put the link here in case anyone would like too!
http://hannibalfoodforthought.blogspot.com/2015/06/speculation-theories-for-seasons-4-5.html
Thanks very much - I'll definitely check it out !
ReplyDeleteI was wondering what you thought about something that should be coming up - I won't lay it all out in case there are those who are not familiar with what happens in the continuing story but you will recognize the quote and its context - when "he" tells someone to 'kill them all " --- my question to you is given the type of relationship with which Fuller has imbued Will/Hannibal interaction ( which differs from the source material quite a bit in its intensity), does that "kill them all" directive seem out of character for the TV version of the antagonist in your opinion ?
ReplyDeleteI don't think so, because there is evidence in Red Dragon that these characters did have an intense relationship prior to it's events. Chesapeake Ripper and Abigail are mentioned in passing...Molly Foster comments about hating Jack Crawford because she feels that he pushed Will to far and we know that FD was a former patient of Hannibal's. So if anything I think Thomas infers that Hannibal's rage in Red Dragon, comes from a history with these people and I think Fuller picked up on it and made even more personal to Hannibal with both Will and Abigail as a bridge from past to future, but also by these events juxtaposing things in the other novels, especially HR, suggesting that Hannibal was reminded of his past and what he lost (and the war he is fighting against human limitation/God, he's anti-peace) through this experience, and thus we see him slip and act more outrageous than at other times.
ReplyDeleteIf anyone is not in line and quite a bit different it's Will Graham, however, his abilities all play to Stephen Hawking concept and, even there, Fuller I think just updated his work into an updated Hannibal. Not just time in reverse and broken, but now multiple universe = all outcomes...
You're welcome! :)
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