From the Lannisters I would say uncle Kevin since Jamie is of the nights watch. But Stannis Baratheon would theoretically have the best claim in this situation I think (since Tommen has that last name after all).
Since Robert was the king and it goes male first then females AND if no one finds out Tommen and Marcella are not Baratheons then it goes Tommen, Stannis, Marcella, Sheerin. The Lannisters can not get the throne because they are not Baratheons. Robert got the throne by overthrowing Aegon and Rhaegar and killing all the heirs including Rhaegars known children. If all four of them die then the throne goes to whom ever can conquer the 7 kingdoms again.
First of all and because I can't help it, Jaimie, is a sworn night of the order of the King's guard..Secondly, the throne would go to Myrcella. Beyond that is really complicated. Stannis as the only living brother of Robert does in theory has a claim, but except the fact the faith would object to him becoming King, he is a rebel self-crown King in open rebellion against the throne. Only way for him to become King is through conquest.
But the truth is, the Baratheons have effectively been deposed on top of everything else. So let's say that Myrcella is to die as well (as the prophesy says), it's really hard for anyone to say what would happen. Does the throne go to another Lannister? I believe it's more plausible for another house (Tyrells) to overthrow or take over the throne. In the books, it's even more complicated, cause except Dany who was supposed to land in Westeros, there's someone else claiming to be a Targ who's already land and started a campaign to win the throne.
But as you may have noticed from the last episode and what most people don't understand, the throne is of secondary importance..It doesn't matter in the long run and it won't for much longer..Not to mention, that there may be someone else entirely who has a better claim and right than all those self-crowned King and Queens together. Not just a blood right, but destiny as well.
Pardon me for the correction above. I didn't mean to be a ****.
I think I wanted to write Kings Watch, I guess it became Nights watch that way :) I am not sure what the rules are in the GoT realm, but I don't think woman can become rulers there, besides, poster asked for the next king, so that would only be someone who marries Myrcella. (Although how would that work with our Tyrgarian?)
Nope, they can rule..Women have ruled their houses. I am pretty sure there must had been a queen of a Kingdom before the war of conquest. It's just hasn't happened since the 7 Kingdoms became one, and hopefully it won't happen this time around as well xD..I don't mean Myrcella because the prophesy says she would die, but Dany which would be catastrophic and the worst outcome for me. Women just come after the men, except in Dorne where the older child has the best claim regardless.
Actually after a quick reread of some parts of the books it depends on each family. The Starks are daughters before Uncles and Male Cousins. So they go Bran, Rickon, Sansa, Arya. The Targ's are Uncles and Male Cousins before Daughters. So Before Robert's Rebellion it was Rhaegar, Aegon his son, then Viseryes, then Rhaneys, then Dany. If Rhaegar had another son before he died and he were legit then he would inherit after Aegon.
At this point Tommen is a puppet and if Uncle Kevan can't reign in the People and the Faith quickly and get rid of Cersci (who I think will plan a Mad King burn them all play) then Tommen and Marjorie will be deposed and killed (unless Sir Pounce can defend them). At this point the only solution as you said is to have one person unite the kingdoms through conquest or against a bigger threat like the WW. In the end as Tyrion said you must have the support of some of the great houses along with the small folk/Faith.
It's interesting to me that with the way D&D are writing the show, Sansa (if she defeats the Boltons) would have the backing of the North, Riverlands and Vale. Plus Jon and Brieanne who can raise and lead an army in her name that can fight in the snow she would be the only real threat to Dany. Dany may have dragons but her army is a desert trained army and they would never survive the long winter. She would have to get the Iron Islanders, Dorn and the Reach to support her. That is only assuming Sansa doesn't fall for Littlefingers "plans" any more and can reunite with Jon who can help her plan.
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Looks like they are setting the cliff hanger for season 6 OMG that would mean waiting till next year .
ReplyDeleteAnd so the gay of the dragon begins
ReplyDeleteNo, Stannis, don't do it. DON'T DO IT!
ReplyDeleteIf Tommen dies, who is next in line to be king?
ReplyDeleteFrom the Lannisters I would say uncle Kevin since Jamie is of the nights watch.
ReplyDeleteBut Stannis Baratheon would theoretically have the best claim in this situation I think (since Tommen has that last name after all).
Since Robert was the king and it goes male first then females AND if no one finds out Tommen and Marcella are not Baratheons then it goes Tommen, Stannis, Marcella, Sheerin. The Lannisters can not get the throne because they are not Baratheons. Robert got the throne by overthrowing Aegon and Rhaegar and killing all the heirs including Rhaegars known children. If all four of them die then the throne goes to whom ever can conquer the 7 kingdoms again.
ReplyDeleteI think it goes Tommen, Myrcella, Stannis, Sheereen. It goes to King's offspring before his brother.
ReplyDeleteokay, it says the LAST TWO EPISODES, then the date Does this mean that they're going to have the last two on the same day back to back?
ReplyDeleteOh man, looks like it'll be one epic final two episodes. This season has felt like it's gone by so quick!
ReplyDeleteFirst of all and because I can't help it, Jaimie, is a sworn night of the order of the King's guard..Secondly, the throne would go to Myrcella. Beyond that is really complicated. Stannis as the only living brother of Robert does in theory has a claim, but except the fact the faith would object to him becoming King, he is a rebel self-crown King in open rebellion against the throne. Only way for him to become King is through conquest.
ReplyDeleteBut the truth is, the Baratheons have effectively been deposed on top of everything else. So let's say that Myrcella is to die as well (as the prophesy says), it's really hard for anyone to say what would happen. Does the throne go to another Lannister? I believe it's more plausible for another house (Tyrells) to overthrow or take over the throne. In the books, it's even more complicated, cause except Dany who was supposed to land in Westeros, there's someone else claiming to be a Targ who's already land and started a campaign to win the throne.
But as you may have noticed from the last episode and what most people don't understand, the throne is of secondary importance..It doesn't matter in the long run and it won't for much longer..Not to mention, that there may be someone else entirely who has a better claim and right than all those self-crowned King and Queens together. Not just a blood right, but destiny as well.
Pardon me for the correction above. I didn't mean to be a ****.
I think I wanted to write Kings Watch, I guess it became Nights watch that way :)
ReplyDeleteI am not sure what the rules are in the GoT realm, but I don't think woman can become rulers there, besides, poster asked for the next king, so that would only be someone who marries Myrcella. (Although how would that work with our Tyrgarian?)
Nope, they can rule..Women have ruled their houses. I am pretty sure there must had been a queen of a Kingdom before the war of conquest. It's just hasn't happened since the 7 Kingdoms became one, and hopefully it won't happen this time around as well xD..I don't mean Myrcella because the prophesy says she would die, but Dany which would be catastrophic and the worst outcome for me. Women just come after the men, except in Dorne where the older child has the best claim regardless.
ReplyDeleteActually after a quick reread of some parts of the books it depends on each family. The Starks are daughters before Uncles and Male Cousins. So they go Bran, Rickon, Sansa, Arya. The Targ's are Uncles and Male Cousins before Daughters. So Before Robert's Rebellion it was Rhaegar, Aegon his son, then Viseryes, then Rhaneys, then Dany. If Rhaegar had another son before he died and he were legit then he would inherit after Aegon.
ReplyDeleteAt this point Tommen is a puppet and if Uncle Kevan can't reign in the People and the Faith quickly and get rid of Cersci (who I think will plan a Mad King burn them all play) then Tommen and Marjorie will be deposed and killed (unless Sir Pounce can defend them). At this point the only solution as you said is to have one person unite the kingdoms through conquest or against a bigger threat like the WW. In the end as Tyrion said you must have the support of some of the great houses along with the small folk/Faith.
ReplyDeleteIt's interesting to me that with the way D&D are writing the show, Sansa (if she defeats the Boltons) would have the backing of the North, Riverlands and Vale. Plus Jon and Brieanne who can raise and lead an army in her name that can fight in the snow she would be the only real threat to Dany. Dany may have dragons but her army is a desert trained army and they would never survive the long winter. She would have to get the Iron Islanders, Dorn and the Reach to support her. That is only assuming Sansa doesn't fall for Littlefingers "plans" any more and can reunite with Jon who can help her plan.
They haven't done it in past seasons, so I don't think so. Wkis and imdb indicate they will each air in their own weeks.
ReplyDeleteThis promo certainly leads you to believe that they could.