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Arrow - Connor Hawke Won't be Addressed on the Show

24 Jun 2015

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Thanks to T.S. for the heads up.



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150 comments:

  1. Ian Purnell24 June 2015 at 23:06

    Oh, so they're just gonna keep teasing his existence

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  2. tsukikomew24 June 2015 at 23:07

    I concede it could be because the asker spelled the name wrong. I don't think MG would be that technical though.

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  3. Spindae224 June 2015 at 23:08

    This is an odd decision, quite disappointing. I was looking forward to the challnege for Oliver to be a father and a hero.
    But maybe even better this way.

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  4. tsukikomew24 June 2015 at 23:12

    Side note: MG did confirm Nyssa's return in Season 4.

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  5. maclives24 June 2015 at 23:15

    Yeah, because the only relationship that will matter to Oliver is his relationship with Felicity.


    Cuz f***k the plot they told before, right?

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  6. tsukikomew24 June 2015 at 23:16

    They could just make the kid not be Connor. It's possible the kid is another incarnation in some way. He doesn't have to be Connor. In fact he doesn't even have to be a 'he'.

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  7. maclives24 June 2015 at 23:17

    Come on, clearly they had every intention of telling the plot with Olivers son. However they saw how popular that ship got and decided that it'd be too disrupting for that precious little gem they're using to make ovaries explode all over the globe

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  8. arrowshieldfan24 June 2015 at 23:18

    you forgetting Thea......that relationship more important.....

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  9. tsukikomew24 June 2015 at 23:18

    Well to be fair there have been a lot of plot points never fleshed out in favor of other stories. So I wouldn't blame the Olicity relationship for that.

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  10. maclives24 June 2015 at 23:25

    however it's more fleshed out than quite a few other arcs. Undeservably fleshed out

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  11. maclives24 June 2015 at 23:26

    yeah....no


    even the episode that should have been about Theas and Olivers relationship was turned into THE Olicity episode

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  12. tsukikomew24 June 2015 at 23:28

    Well other than showcasing his mother lying again and him saying "Hi" to the mother in Central City, there has been little actually fleshed out. The Moira/baby-mama thing (I think) was supposed to be about Moira and her secrets more than the baby-mama thing. I think they put that in there so they could go there if they wanted. At the same time the kid would be what...8-9? Not exactly a great storyline at the moment. If he was a teenager than they could embroil him in the nighttime storylines. Otherwise he would probably be a major distraction.

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  13. maclives24 June 2015 at 23:31

    A distraction from the focus on Olicity you say.

    Let's be fair here: a lot of the arcs could've been more fleshed out but weren't in favor of....blergh

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  14. Aydrian24 June 2015 at 23:33

    Yeah, because f***k original stories right? Give me a break, you blame every single stupid problem on Olicity or Felicity. They didn't want to include Connor in the story they wanted to tell, boo freaking hoo. Perhaps it was just a simple matter of them wanting to go their own path, and has nothing to do with your paranoid delusions.

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  15. tsukikomew24 June 2015 at 23:35

    No a distraction from all storylines. The majority of Arrow takes place at night or during the day where they discuss the nighttime stuff. If you inject an 8 year old then suddenly you have to deal with where he is, him being nurtured, daycare, school, who does he stay with while everyone is fighting crime? It becomes an issue of him being unable to interact with the masked heroes because he would be sleeping AND during the day he would be a distraction from the plot. If the kid was older then perhaps.

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  16. AnnoDomini24 June 2015 at 23:41

    Connor or not, Ollie wouldn't get back together with Sandra anyways so your comment doesn't really hold any relevance.

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  17. tsukikomew24 June 2015 at 23:43

    Well I'm not going to argue that since that is your opinion. However I disagree storylines are being thrown away because of Olicity.

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  18. maclives24 June 2015 at 23:44

    my point was on the significance someone else holds over Oliver. The kid would automatically push Felicity off her place as most important thingy. Thus they scrap that arc in fear of creating fan backlash

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  19. maclives24 June 2015 at 23:44

    not thrown away but minimalized

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  20. AnnoDomini24 June 2015 at 23:49

    Well, it was an important Moira moment too. It paralleled Moira keeping secrets in the present timeline to ultimately just protect her family.

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  21. maclives24 June 2015 at 23:49

    Olicity hate, nothing against Felicity more the plot she's involved in.


    It's not clouding anything but the writers are clearly aware of the angst it would create among the fans and the consensus that "Olicity is awesome" would be split appart.

    Remember this show relies HEAVILY on this ships likability and threatening that construct would be dangerous for them. A risk they wouldn't want to take

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  22. percysowner24 June 2015 at 23:50

    I don't know that I buy this, but if true, I'm grateful. I have ZERO need for a 7-9 year old kid on the show. He doesn't fit.

    Plus it's hardly shocking for a show to decide to focus on a relationship or storyline that the fans respond to. Really if you are going to complain it should be that they cut the Laurel/Oliver relationship completely. Now personally I think that dropping it helped Laurel's character immensely, but it did get dropped due to Olicity. But not adding an unneeded child to the show, well I say Hallelujah.

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  23. maclives24 June 2015 at 23:52

    At least we agree on why it got cut.


    In fact I'd be more than happy to see all romance treated as nothing more but side plots. Olicity was a main plot this year and my response to it is the equivalent to puking

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  24. AnnoDomini24 June 2015 at 23:53

    Olicity hate ultimately covers everything Felicity because people bring up of how much Felicity has become emotional when hell, this was going to be when the two finally start to reveal their feelings to one another.


    I disagree with the idea that the series "heavily" relies on its ships. They just have naturally interesting characters where the actors have some good chemistry and the same goes for Stephen and Emily....hey, if Ollie needs to be in a relationship, why not have it be with an actress where he has some great chemistry with? I never though him and Katie were that interesting on-screen together anyways, or perhaps with Katie really embracing the role of Black Canary, I will feel different when seeing GA and BC together more and more besides just Ollie and Laurel.

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  25. Aydrian24 June 2015 at 23:54

    I had a perfectly reasonable response for you that they suddenly decided to remove, so I'll respond like a meek little human being who doesn't want to upset your poor delicate feelings so I can conform to the ridiculous standards being placed on my opinions.


    *cough* I disagree with you for reasons.


    Yep! That's as far as I'm willing to risk it.

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  26. maclives24 June 2015 at 23:58

    Wich is sad on it's own isn't it? When the hate for a ship covers a whole character because the character is nothing more BUT the ship. It's depressing to know that Felicity has been degraded to one ship alone and kinda makes me more mad than I already am.


    I don't consider there being any chemistry, Emily acts quirky, Stephen doesn't act at all. That's the thing to me. They don't have any spark but bland "Oliver says something serious, Felicity replies with something witty: ship"


    I don't care for any of these characters ending up together but Oliver and Felicity as a couple have just occupied WAAAAAAAAY too much space this season and need to take less.

    Sadly their fandom is the loudest thus those that want less romance are going to be ignored.

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  27. tsukikomew24 June 2015 at 23:58

    I would worry it would distract from the story too much. They've played a little with that between Dig and Baby Sara. Adding a child adds a lot of responsibility. Who watches the kid when they are out fighting crime? How can they focus on getting things done if the kid has a fever? Also there would be custody and weekend visits and school stuff. Kids are tough to add into the story.


    I agree holding off might be better.

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  28. tsukikomew25 June 2015 at 00:01

    Yeah I don't buy the Olicity bit. Personally I felt the reveal with Sara's killer worked but the Ra's side was ridiculous. I wish a little more time had been spent on Malcolm's full motivations on the death of Sara. They sort of dropped his rational real quick and never let the characters question it fully. Did he seek out Thea knowing he was going to make her kill Sara? Why Sara? When did he decide to do this?

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  29. maclives25 June 2015 at 00:01

    Holy hell, I was about to reply to you but apparently the admins consider personal attacks too much so...duh.


    Just cut out the "your paranoid whatevers" and maybe they won't. For the record, I didn't ask for it to get taken down (because, wether apparent to you or not: you showcased the worst shipper behaviour there is: pride, blind aggression and pretty unfair complaints. I woud have wanted people to see that). But in my defense: I've replied to you a lot as well and the messages were lost in some weird web-blackhole.


    It's not really reasonable, you consider the focus on the ship to be perfectly fine while I disagree.

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  30. bj25 June 2015 at 00:01

    This just confirms what I said in another post. It doesn't matter what's being discussed in an Arrow thread, there's always a few who bring up Felicity and turn it into an argument about Olicity. And then it just goes on and on and on.

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  31. Victoria Llanos25 June 2015 at 00:02

    I guess... but they could have used something, something that couldn't be directly tied to the present. My guess, they are letting it go for the moment out of fear of fan retaliation if it's ever brought up.

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  32. maclives25 June 2015 at 00:03

    Exactly, a little scene or so would've been fine for me as well but there was a complete 22 episode long plot about it...

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  33. Shannon25 June 2015 at 00:03

    Oh wow! i thought he'd be addressed by season 6. (i was hoping that's when Oliver would find out in the last season) But never?? I did not see that coming.

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  34. maclives25 June 2015 at 00:03

    Isn't there just a 5 season plan?

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  35. maclives25 June 2015 at 00:05

    I sure as hell am biased against the ship and htus give it a lot of flack however part of the blame is not to deny there. It took a bite out of the season, how big it actually was is up to others to decide.


    Exactly, the plot made nosense and I thought they would (and should have) turned his plan to kill Sara into part of the final outcome to become Ra's

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  36. tsukikomew25 June 2015 at 00:05

    SA said he was signed through the middle of the next president's term. That would be 2018-2019 right. That gives Season 4 (2015-2016), Season 5 (2016-2017), Season 6 (2017-2018), Season 7 (2018-2019). That is assuming I interpreted his tweet meaning correctly.

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  37. Spindae225 June 2015 at 00:06

    Holding off just cause it would be difficult? Don't get that. I don't know if U watched Charmed but they did so many great parallels when Piper had Wyatt and it was a delight watching her go through that stuff. Also Connor isn't a baby he is 7 or 8, so he would go to school and they could get nannies to watch over him during the night shift.
    Also one stuff is holding it off and not doing it at all as MG indicated.

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  38. tsukikomew25 June 2015 at 00:06

    Agreed on Ra's/Malcolm.

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  39. maclives25 June 2015 at 00:06

    Usually regulars sign a contract for 6 seasons after a pilot gets picked up but the writers had one if I remember correctly

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  40. tsukikomew25 June 2015 at 00:07

    https://twitter.com/amellywood/status/601134761931837441

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  41. Pablo Troncoso25 June 2015 at 00:09

    Season 4 hasn't even begun and Arrow already disappointed me. It doesn't look good.
    I'm very sad the show won't be exploring this storyline, since it had so much juice and potential. I hope the new storylines introduced will be good and that if they are planning to plant seeds they will sow them eventually; one thing is the whole mess with the DC movie universe and another one is just dropping promising storylines for reasons beyond the fandom's understanding.

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  42. Shannon25 June 2015 at 00:09

    Stephen is signed on for 6 yrs, thus i believe there will be 6 seasons. And to what was just said below, (stephen did tweet that) there could be a 7th. But i never thought there would only be 5 seasons just b/c of flashbacks. Either way, i didn't want Conner to be known til late in the show anyway.

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  43. tsukikomew25 June 2015 at 00:10

    There has been some rumors of Hal Jordan being added (Coast City flashbacks, Ferris Air references) because the Green Lantern movie is going to feature a group of Green Lanterns and none of them (thus far) named Hal Jordan. So he might be free and clear to use.

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  44. maclives25 June 2015 at 00:10

    Sure there won't be only 5 seasons but given them originally stating that they only had a plan for 5 seasons I doubt that they will have mapped out the entirety of the shows final episodes

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  45. tsukikomew25 June 2015 at 00:11

    They have been mentioning they've been planning how to continue past the five year mark since flashbacks are part of the current formula.

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  46. Pablo Troncoso25 June 2015 at 00:11

    Hope so, though it seems rather hard for them to pull that off. Not impossible, just hard

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  47. tsukikomew25 June 2015 at 00:12

    Well they could use Hal before he became Green Lantern possibly by using the flashbacks in Coast City.

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  48. maclives25 June 2015 at 00:13

    Why? Green Lantern doesn't require that many hard to pull VFX and given the success Flash had I'm fairly certain that they'll embrace super powers on Arrow soon too

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  49. tsukikomew25 June 2015 at 00:14

    Oh I'd rather see him be Green Lantern but I could see them utilizing him before he became Green Lantern too.

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  50. Shannon25 June 2015 at 00:14

    of course they don't. i wouldn't think they have that planned now. i wouldn't expect them too.

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  51. maclives25 June 2015 at 00:15

    As long as they get to use him, DC plans to do a GL movie in 2020

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  52. Pablo Troncoso25 June 2015 at 00:17

    I don't mean in the VFX area, I mean in the settlements with DC; they are being a real pain in the ass when it comes to tv vs movies, so I don't know if they could work around it with Green Lantern as suggested above.
    The planned Hawkgirl show, however, looks much more likely to be done.

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  53. tsukikomew25 June 2015 at 00:17

    They just announced they are planning a "Green Lantern Corps" style movie for 2020 with multiple human Green Lanterns. No one has been confirmed specifically but they might be able to use one of the characters on Arrow.


    http://collider.com/green-lantern-reboot-plot-details/?utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social#reboot-details

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  54. tsukikomew25 June 2015 at 00:18

    They just announced Hawkgirl was not in development at all.

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  55. maclives25 June 2015 at 00:19

    Oh, yeah I'd be worried about that too but Hals first movie outing failed so there might be a shot :D

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  56. percysowner25 June 2015 at 00:19

    I have never known a show to be improved by adding a kid, especially a kid who is too young to participate in the basic premise of the show. They couldn't even make ROY, an adult work. We got to see Oliver interact with a kid in season three. Once his son is brought in, they pretty much have to keep him in. And that is not a story I care about.

    I think Connor is on the back burner and if Arrow lasts long enough for him to age into potential superherodom, they can bring him in. If Arrow ends before he hits 15-16 Oliver can find out about him and quit superheroing so that he can protect and take care of his son.

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  57. percysowner25 June 2015 at 00:28

    No, we don't agree. I said IF. Frankly, I think they used the kid to 1) Point out that Moira was a lying liar who lies 2) give a nod to comic book continuity 3) put Connor in play so if they ever do decide to bring him in, he isn't a total WTF for viewers who don't read the comic books. Basically I figure Connor is on the back burner until they need him or have a decent storyline for him. He's too important to be a one episode throw away. He's too young to be a player in a multi-episode arc. For me, he's fine hanging out in the background, growing up and being neither seen nor heard.

    IMHO, Olicity has nothing to do with not bringing him in or exploring the relationship at this time. If he comes in now Oliver 1) either puts him in danger by acknowledging him as his son 2) quits his dangerous job and then has to be pulled back in which puts the kid in danger 3) sends him away to protect him thereby becoming an absentee father by his own actions. None of those work for me.

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  58. Aydrian25 June 2015 at 00:36

    I've said waaaaay worse things on this website without the censor police deleting my comments. Comparatively, my original response was quite tame.

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  59. AnnoDomini25 June 2015 at 00:39

    I think they're not bringing it up because they've tied themselves into a corner by bringing in Connor so early when Arrow may not last past six seasons. To have a Connor that's still not even a teenager wouldn't be great overall because you couldn't utilize some storylines of having Connor being part of Team Arrow or what have you.

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  60. tsukikomew25 June 2015 at 00:41

    They could always time-jump though...if they wanted to do so.

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  61. Mark Sellig25 June 2015 at 00:44

    Or they don't need a kid on the show. They tend to be show killers.

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  62. AnnoDomini25 June 2015 at 00:44

    It's only sad when people hate Felicity because of Olicity and would like to perceive that Felicity is only a subcategory of the Olicity ship and that's it, when they are absolutely wrong. Felicity became more of the viewer with actual morality once we started to get less and less Diggle even helping out Team Arrow and when Laurel became a hero herself, because it's tricky to always make the hero being the viewer and Felicity filled that void in S3, imo. I actually loved what they did with Felicity because they really rounded her out by giving her a backstory as well as making her more than just the witty tech girl. We saw bits and pieces of this in S2 such as when Felicity finally reviled to Ollie about Malcolm being Thea's father and this was needed this season, but it backfired in many ways where people all of a sudden hated her.

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  63. maclives25 June 2015 at 00:46

    It was, however I've censored myself at times because I knew that the f bomb wasn't cool around here.


    I think whenever personal attacks show up things are cut. Don't worry, I wouldn't have taken it personal. I mean, we've fought how often now? ^^

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  64. maclives25 June 2015 at 00:47

    I've never seen any real Felicity hater, only two Olicity haters like me. But I'm in the minority

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  65. maclives25 June 2015 at 00:47

    The Originals disagrees with you

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  66. AnnoDomini25 June 2015 at 00:47

    You need widen your search if you think you're one of only two Olicity haters.

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  67. AnnoDomini25 June 2015 at 00:51

    That's why I mentioned....err, somewhere, lol, that if Arrow doesn't deal with the older Connor that The Flash could. The Flash could time travel into the future, or my other suggestion was that in the 2024 timeline, it was Connor as the Green Arrow that helped out Flash, Atom and Hawkgirl. By then, Connor will be like 18 maybe? I could see Connor becoming Green Arrow if Ollie ever died and I always mentioned how I could see Ollie indeed dying in the series finale.

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  68. Koky25 June 2015 at 00:55

    To

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  69. tsukikomew25 June 2015 at 00:55

    Wow the fandom anger that would occur if they killed Oliver. That would be terrible.

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  70. maclives25 June 2015 at 00:56

    I'm mainly here so...

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  71. Rjupiter25 June 2015 at 00:57

    could possibly be wanting to make room for Robert Queen (I kid, Shado is dead) but honestly since it was revealed (more accurately hinted) he had a son on Flash and not GA its not all the surprising.

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  72. Koky25 June 2015 at 00:58

    I have a feeling they will probably address him but he won't be called Connor. People just assumed it's gonna be Connor. Thea became Speedy and her name isn't Mia.

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  73. maclives25 June 2015 at 01:01

    But it was always apparent that she would eventually become Speedy, also she shared a name with Mia.

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  74. Koky25 June 2015 at 01:04

    Well he could be called conner lol
    No seriously he said Connor won't be addressed, he didn't say Oliver's son won't be addressed. We don't even know if it was a boy or a girl.

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  75. Victoria Llanos25 June 2015 at 01:20

    Well, I always thought it was a mistake, so I don't really mind. What bothers me is that they keep opening storylines and then just give up on them. They are no temperamental children, they should be able to set on something and go through with it, it's not that hard. I was a huge fan in season 1 and, to me, in 2 seasons they completely destroyed a show I loved, to the point where I'm not sure if I'm coming back for season 4. That's contigent on wether I like the finale or not, because I still haven't seen it.

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  76. Ron25 June 2015 at 01:25

    I thought Connor was gonna be the kid that he had with the woman that move to Star City and the show will have a time jump to feauture him.

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  77. Aydrian25 June 2015 at 01:48

    Pretty much every single time one of us has said something. Besides, I don't ever say it as an insult, I just express my opinions very...colorfully.

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  78. maclives25 June 2015 at 02:02

    Exactly, I'm far from easy to deal with myself

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  79. Graydon25 June 2015 at 03:06

    Damn. Oh well.

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  80. Graydon25 June 2015 at 03:07

    He's nine. Exploring it would've been nothing more than standard soap. And this isn't the comics or a cartoon where you can show a nine year-old fighting.

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  81. Graydon25 June 2015 at 03:08

    Yes because that's totally why. It's not, because they don't want to overstuff like in three. Or hey he's nine. And you can't do much with a nine year-old in live-action network TV beyond that character being a kid.

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  82. Graydon25 June 2015 at 03:11

    Thank you. His relationship with Thea drove basically everything he did in three plot wise after nine and before that Sara's death.

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  83. Graydon25 June 2015 at 03:16

    Not really. Besides what five minutes, the rest was Oliver and Malcolm's grief over Thea, getting to Nanda Parbat, Thea's healing, amnesia and trying to escape Nanda Parbat. And then him suing goodbye to his friends and family and becoming Al Sahim. Then Thea getting support from Malcolm. Dude that episode was not about them. Did it feature a love scene, that was done to finally get it over with and are shippers happy. Yes but besides that the vast majority of the episode was all about Thea and Oliver.

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  84. Shannon25 June 2015 at 03:16

    Lol that was my reaction.

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  85. Graydon25 June 2015 at 03:18

    It sucks but understandable. He'd be nine. And that could be really soapy and not here for that.

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  86. AnnoDomini25 June 2015 at 03:34

    What storyline have they opened up and left opened besides the whole Connor thing, though? They've been pretty consistent in continuing storylines throughout three seasons.

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  87. AnnoDomini25 June 2015 at 03:36

    Eh, I don't care what the fandom would think. Some stories needs to kill their heroes in the end. Honestly, if Ollie becomes Green Arrow during S4, then I would kill Ollie in the fifth season finale(which I'd make the series finale) and parallel it to the ending of the flashbacks where Ollie is rescued from Purgatory as this symbolic theme of Ollie finally moving towards the afterlife.

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  88. Graydon25 June 2015 at 03:37

    They could very well change their minds. They did on metas, on realism. Hell it could just be a lie, or a for now.

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  89. Shannon25 June 2015 at 03:40

    What you just said, that was my first thought when they first brought him up. So it made no sense to me why people were so exited for him to come on. It wouldn't make any sense. So it sucks but I'm not hurt about it.

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  90. lsbloom25 June 2015 at 03:49

    I think you might be overreacting completely. First off, Oliver's relationship with Thea has driven a good number of his actions for 3 seasons, and based off the tease for 4x01 that trend is continuing. Secondly, they brought the kid back up, so they are going somewhere with it, just not this direction. Irrationally blaming Felicity for a completely unrelated storyline, with profanity, seems out of proportion.

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  91. Graydon25 June 2015 at 03:50

    Ditto. If they did a flash forward episode or say brought him on in season 6 or possibly 7 if it happens. I'd be pumped. But he's nine. Who wants a kid on a superhero show? I'd be one thing thing if it were to just develop Oliver, but he's already going to help Thea with the pit's effects and is not in any position to handle a kid. Plus he'd be a detriment to any sort of storyline with Hive focus wise. And honestly never thought he'd be on in four.

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  92. Graydon25 June 2015 at 03:50

    Thank you Isbloom. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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  93. Anesu725 June 2015 at 03:52

    Connor was Shados son in the comics he is not in this which could mean plot twist his name isnt Connor Hawke so they may not even be lying.

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  94. Graydon25 June 2015 at 03:54

    It's what Amell wants actually.

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  95. Shannon25 June 2015 at 03:55

    Exactly. I personally, I never wanted him n til the last season. There's no room for him. And I really hate time jumps, I wouldn't want them doing a "few yrs time jump" for him to turn 14 just so he can be introduced, I'd hate that. Oliver has enough on his plate. I personally felt that them iintroducing him wasn't for Oliver at all. I felt it was for Moira's SL to show the extremes she would go as a mother, not to mention her evil ways.

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  96. Graydon25 June 2015 at 03:56

    Rather they to do an afterlife. But yeah I wouldn't mind killing Oliver. But I've never been huge on the kill a hero thing. Unless properly done it can be just for effect.

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  97. Graydon25 June 2015 at 03:58

    I mean in six he should be what 13-14 naturally. By flash forward I meant like ten years. Yeah it was to introduce Moira's very ruthless but caring motherhood. That being said would't be surprised if they reverse it by season five and do it.

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  98. ivan25 June 2015 at 03:58

    Well that's idiotic!

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  99. Shannon25 June 2015 at 04:02

    I know what you meant by the flash forward. (I don't like those it doesn't work with all shows) Shrugs, we'll see. But if it never happens, I won't be crying about it.

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  100. Shannon25 June 2015 at 04:16

    Yeah but her middle name is Dearden so it was already implied that she would be Speedy before she actually became her.

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  101. Graydon25 June 2015 at 04:19

    Well if the mother's name is to be believed (Sandra) it's him. He just won't be on.

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  102. Shannon25 June 2015 at 05:35

    Hear hear.

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  103. Graydon25 June 2015 at 06:16

    I think it could work but it would be a risk. Ditto if they used him cool, if not meh he probably still exists (the woman is named Sandra according to imdb) we just won't see him on the show.

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  104. Graydon25 June 2015 at 06:25

    They didn't really say anything beyond no to Connor Hawke. The kid could still at some point be addressed, but it might be someone else.

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  105. Shannon25 June 2015 at 06:26

    A risk, I would not what them to take. And maybe someone at CC will ask about it. Who knows. Shrugs.

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  106. Graydon25 June 2015 at 06:30

    No he wasn't. He's Sandra Hawke's kid.

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  107. Graydon25 June 2015 at 06:32

    Or it would add a load. A character who constantly needs saving, and acts like a immature kid. And not gonna lie most child actors suck hugely. So I'd rather not. Oliver already has people he cares about, is growing through them, and enough to deal with next season. He doesn't need a kid.

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  108. Graydon25 June 2015 at 06:36

    Dude they had a lot. It was just in poorly done not interesting flashbacks. And I believe Tatsu's actress had other commitments and being a replacement probably affected the mount of screen time she got. And Ra's was basically just the same as always but less crazy and dude his reasoning always sucks. He's spent years bring to make Batman the most stubborn bastard in DC his

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  109. Graydon25 June 2015 at 06:40

    Judging by how it went, he could've planned it in advice as a possibility.

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  110. StephonJS25 June 2015 at 06:59

    This gotta b BS because I just read about of friend of Mora who will be the new Mayor who knew about Connor and the arrangement

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  111. Spindae225 June 2015 at 07:12

    From my POV it would add more to the show and think it would benefit from Connor's arrival than him not appearing. Yes Connor would be an easy target and would most likely get himself into trouble at the begging, but they would make a system to keep him safe further along.

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  112. Spindae225 June 2015 at 07:19

    Of course it is hard to add a kid to the story but that doesn't mean to back off a story you already introduced. Also OTH is an good example for adding a kid and nicely making him a vital part of the story. Bringing Connor in certainly means keeping him around till the end.
    Doubt Arrow will last past season 7, so Connor would be around 12.

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  113. Spindae225 June 2015 at 07:29

    I feel just the same. I really hopped S04 would be the season for Connor to happen. Sandra and Connor maybe running away from HIVE etc etc.
    Mostly people look at it like "Oh he is a kid he will only be in the way and being unable to fight etc ect". I think there is lot potential to exploit Oliver and challenge his character and heroism.

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  114. Sparky25 June 2015 at 07:38

    That was never said.

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  115. Graydon25 June 2015 at 09:53

    Still a nine year-old in a show where every character is involved in crime fighting. Just doesn't fit (and I really don't think Oliver is there yet). And again, just feels like it could be too much. Later on (he'll probably end up appearing at some point, if they time travel etc.) when he's 13 or 14 maybe I could be cool with it. But now, just seems a little too problematic. But he could definitely add to Oliver's character.

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  116. Pascal21925 June 2015 at 10:03

    Why introduce him at all then?

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  117. Spindae225 June 2015 at 10:30

    I think you are never there to realize that you have a 9-10 year old son you've never met.
    It certainly would be quite the turmoil and I agree a 9-10 year old being introduced into the show is a tough call and certainly not the place for it but that is a part of this story.
    I wouldn't even rush it, towards the end of S04 just to push Oliver and the story into a new direction, raise the stakes. Bring them back for 5A and than make Oliver decide to send Connor and Sandra to a safe place till he retires.

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  118. Platynum25 June 2015 at 12:04

    Really Arrow?? Wondering what the story lines are going to be like for Season 4.....seriously considering dropping this show.

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  119. Veizinger Tamás25 June 2015 at 12:06

    of course he won't.. because arrow is now a shit... no mention of batman, gotham, superman, justice league.. geez

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  120. David25 June 2015 at 12:10

    Still can't decide if I'm going to watch season 4, but I don't know if I believe this. Maybe they haven't decided when they'll bring in Oliver's son, but I doubt they won't "ever" address this plot point. Why else bring it up?

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  121. tsukikomew25 June 2015 at 13:20

    Thats just a tereible way to end a hero's journey.

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  122. Gaia Di Lorenzo25 June 2015 at 13:50

    yessssssss thxxxxxxxxxxxx

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  123. Graydon25 June 2015 at 16:21

    It's not how Odysseus' went. But if it worked thematically I'd be okay with it. Nothing more heroic than going out to save the city and people you love.

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  124. tsukikomew25 June 2015 at 16:26

    I find the death of the main character tends to be done more for shock value and it tends to be a major cop-out. It's the easiest ending to have. It takes more work to create a living ending than a death ending. I would rather see Oliver find the balance in his life. They've been discussing that since the beginning about Diggle being in the place in his life Oliver wants to be. Finding the balance between saving the city and having a life. I'd rather see that OR passing the torch a bit.

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  125. Graydon25 June 2015 at 18:37

    That's Oliver's arc so far, accepting both. And now that he's accepted being Oliver Queen, he can truly begin to find a balance between that and Green Arrow. When done well it's neither.

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  126. Victoria Llanos25 June 2015 at 20:31

    Yes, we all just asume it was Connor Hawke, but it could be someone else and this could be a trick so appease the masses...

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  127. Koky26 June 2015 at 12:01

    That's exactly my point. We don't even know the mother's name. So we have no idea who her baby is.

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  128. Koky26 June 2015 at 12:03

    I'm not disagreeing about Thea at all. All I'm saying is that we don't know anything about the baby and all Marc said is that Connor won't be on Arrow. Doesn't mean that Oliver's son who becomes the next GA won't appear.

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  129. Koky26 June 2015 at 12:08

    Interestingly enough, Marc doesn't outright lie like that. He plays with words, manipulates statements (he is a lawyer after all), he jokes about stupid stuff. That's why I'm thinking this is either a clever response or they could change their minds like you said. Exactly it doesn't fit the timeline; and if the rumours about the movie are true, I don't see them doing a big time jump.

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  130. Sarah26 June 2015 at 16:58

    I don't totally buy that he won't be a part of the show. I completely understand why they don't want to add him right now because he's still a little kid, but if they did at least a few years time jump at mid-season 5, I honestly think Connor would work.

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  131. Shannon26 June 2015 at 18:00

    Yeahhh, sweetie, if that's Sandra (and according to IMDB it is), there's no way around that. It's definitely Connor. And Connor will be 9 when season 4 starts. Lol He's not a baby.

    Yesterday's episode was the first part of the series finale. And today is the season 3 finale when Joey makes her choice. I'm literally looking at it now. They're sailing off. I juUST finished watching the entire series. It felt good to watch. = )

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  132. Graydon26 June 2015 at 18:06

    Apparently Sandra. But to be fair yeah everyone without confirmation assumed it was Connor. I still think he exists.

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  133. Koky26 June 2015 at 18:46

    Again, I didn't say he does not exist. I'm merely giving several explanations to Marc's words. We have ZERO information about that kid, other than the fact that he/she has a mother and lives in CC. We don't even know how old that kid is.

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  134. Koky26 June 2015 at 19:03

    *sighs* IF it's Sandra. We don't know if she is Sandra. We don't know anything about her or her kid. Like I told Graydon, I'm not denying Connor's existence; I'm only trying to look at Marc's words from another angle. When I said baby I wasn't talking about him/her now; I was talking about episode 2x20. In "Seeing Red" we didn't know if the baby (or fetus) was a boy or a girl. You are acting like I'm one of the people who refused to believe that LP was going to be in the Arrowverse even though they saw it like 10 times. imdb is not an official source to me. Unless we get an official confirmation from one of the show's producers or we see her in an episode and she is credited as Sandra, she could be anyone.

    Another awesome episode. I miss "True Love". Hmmmm, 12 PM. That means 6 PM my time. I'm usually busy at that time these days. Anyway I have the series so it's cool.

    "no more VHS. LOL!!! Wow!! I feel so old." thanks for that. Now I feel old too lol I got the same feeling when I took my niece to see Beauty and the Best in 3D. The first time I saw it wasn't even D lol

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  135. Graydon26 June 2015 at 19:39

    Judging by flashbacks and general timeline and how Sandra spoke to him on the phone 9 maybe 10.

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  136. Graydon26 June 2015 at 19:41

    And if the mother's name is indeed Sandra, it's Probably Connor. Unfortunately it can't be confirmed unless someone gets a script.

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  137. Shannon26 June 2015 at 19:42

    Yesss I said "If it's Sandra", then there's no way it won't be Connor, I also said, I'd like REAL confirmation, as I do not consider Imdb a reliable source, but just stating that it's there. And I'm not acting like anything, it's just you're doing the common thing that most non-comic readers do or any other book related blah blah blah movie that comes out. You're trying to see it from another angle and find the hidden meaning, as if TPTB are trying to sugar coat it and I'm just saying that more than half the time, that's not the case. It's like if some fan came out and said Bruce and some woman (we know it's Selina b/c Bruce only has a child with one woman) had a baby, but we don't know that it's a girl, it could be a boy. No, it can't. That's not how that works...See my point? I don't mind that you want to think about it. I'm not saying you shouldn't. I just don't want you to get your hopes up with that type of common thinking and then get disappointed in the end.

    You have the whole series on DVD? And 3D??? Ewww, who would want to see that in 3D?? Hahahahaha When did that happen? Where the hellI when they made that movie in 3D?? Hahahaha

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  138. Koky26 June 2015 at 20:04

    I'm not doing anything, I'm just looking at this situation objectively. Get my hopes up for what exactly? I'm not secretly hoping that it's Connor but has a different name and trying to hold on hope. Why would I care if she's Sandra or not? For that matter why would I care if he's Connor or not?

    Are you really using the comic book canon in an argument regarding what couple should be together or what couple had babies in the comic books? Please tell me you see the irony!
    How many times have the producers said that they don't stick to cannon. Was Shado an evil bit*h who had a baby with Oliver against his will? (I'm phrasing what she actually did nicely). Is Felicity married to Ronnie's dad in the show? Did Iris and Barry grow up together in the comic books? Or was Speedy the Dark Archer's daughter? The list goes on and on.

    By the way, didn't Bruce have a child with Talia?

    Are you living in a cave? lol A few years back they released it in 3D.

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  139. Koky26 June 2015 at 20:05

    My point exactly. And I honestly don't care either way. In case you got the idea that I don't want her to be Sandra (for some reason).

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  140. Shannon26 June 2015 at 20:32

    In hope's that, IF they do bring in..."Oliver's child" that the story will be different in that it's not Sandra, but someone else, b/c Marc is being "him" about it. That's what iI mean by hope. And I'm not using comic book as canon argument, or what couple should be together, I'm saying that some things, heavy things like that, would not change. It's just like Superman and Superboy. Superboy is not being brought up by Green Lantern. Barry and Iris don't have triplets, they have twins, Batman and Catwoman don't have a son, they have a daughter. See?? And all those examples you gave are different in this situation b/c it was already hinted at. (Although very little). This is Oliver's first child, he doesn't know about it. Just by putting that little bit of info out there they've already said, "hey let's go with that SL". And no Bruce only has a child with Selina.

    Apparently iI lived under a big one. Hahahaha shrugs.

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  141. Shannon26 June 2015 at 21:04

    He'll be 9 when season 4 starts.

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  142. Koky26 June 2015 at 21:20

    Since they decided to go with that SL, then we are faced with three possibilities:
    1- They decided to drop that SL. In that case why even bother with hinting that he has a kid?
    2- Oliver's son won't be called Connor and would be called Peter Hawke, Like Thea Dearden Queen. All Thea and Speedy had in common was the middle name and the nickname Speedy, oh and a first name that rhymed with Mia. Could be the same thing with Connor. His name could be Oliver Jr. for all we know lol
    3- They are keeping that character for a flashforward spinoff, and they are dropping some hints as a foreshadowing. (I was mostly being sarcastic with the last one)


    Perhaps I should clarify this: I don't care one bit if she's Sandra or not and I don't care if he's Connor or not (more accurately, I don't give a damn what their names are). Either way he's not going to be the next Green Arrow unless they do a significant time jump, which won't happen anytime soon. All he's going to be is a plot device for drama and conflict. I hate the long lost child plot and that won't change if he is called Connor, William or James (random names that popped in my head), or if he is a she. I was just chatting/speculating because well it's the hiatus and I'm bored lol


    Welcome back lol. Spoiler alert: they released Finding Nemo in 3D as well.

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  143. Graydon26 June 2015 at 21:45

    Yep.

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  144. Shannon26 June 2015 at 22:14

    Well IMO, I stated this a few days ago, (it's somewhere on the top of this page to Graydon), they didn't introduce Sandra/Connor for Oliver's SL at all, they did it for Moira's. I honestly think they never intended to go anywhere with it, from the moment that episode aired they said repeatedly that they wouldn't address Connor anytime soon. They said it in interviews so many times, so this news that we're getting right now, really doesn't bother me. In fact, I'd prefer they didn't bring him in at all. I thought they'd at least let Oliver know about him in season 6 (and way before the age Connor and Oliver are supposed to meet, they actually meet), but now idc if they ever do. Sometimes a "No" Just means no, it doesn't have to be someone else Or something else, (ok that was totally unintentional i swear haha) they could've just simply dropped it. Maybe they'll revisit it, but for now, since they've been shoving it out of the way since last year, I'm just gonna run with it. I don't mind comic book canon, or lack thereof if done right. But i did learn that not everything changes in some cases, or should not change in some cases. (And it's not just with Arrow or Flash i'm talking in general with Marvel/DC and personally i'm not big on change, it has to really really work for me to be on board. For example Sara and Laurel.) But in THIS particular case, in order to bring on Connor that'd have to do a big ass time jump/flash foward w/e the hell you wanna call it. And i really loatheeee those in my tv shows. Not only that but i have no desire for them to bring in this character so they can some day down the line be in talks about yet ANOTHER spin off from Arrow. No thanks!!!! Smh


    Finding Nemo i did know about. Lol Thanks. Lol

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  145. Shannon26 June 2015 at 22:30

    Graydon...are you still watching Buffy?

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  146. Graydon27 June 2015 at 01:34

    Yep started six, still haven't finished. Deriding having to watch Spike and Buffy. It's odd, I find his feelings for her hilarious and like the effect they've had zoo far, but those two just seems kinda f*cked.

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  147. Graydon27 June 2015 at 02:37

    Oh oh f*ck. Well the first one (besides the phone call) I made sure I waited for (the 1x08, the one with Spike and Oz, I wasn't feel 'cause until like episode 7 of season four I wasn't enjoying it as much as Angel), but I did watch the Faith stuff after she came out of a coma. Graydon sorry. But you can help me with the four and five (or any more six and three crossovers)

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  148. Shannon27 June 2015 at 03:57

    Long sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! It's completely ruined now. Ughhh, if icould gouge my eyes out i would. Where are you now??? Specifically with both shows?? If you're on season 6 of Buffy you should be on season 3 of Angel. Meet me over at the Open Discussion Thread.

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  149. Anesu729 June 2015 at 20:05

    Thank you for the correction , I just doubt this Ollies babby mama is Sandra.

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  150. Graydon29 June 2015 at 22:19

    Well if imdb is right it is.

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