Was this always how you envisioned writing Elena off the show, knowing it was a possibility?
JP: I knew — and the writers pretended to agree with me whether they did or not — that there was no chance in hell we would kill Elena. Absolutely not. I think Nina, in her own way, would have liked to die because we do epic deaths on this show and it’s a great way to go out, but it just didn’t feel right. It would have felt really sour to kill Elena Gilbert, who, incidentally, has already died once. We also didn’t know how our characters could move forward with any kind of levity — Damon specifically — if that were to happen. So that was off the table.
So then it became, How do we make the exit feel permanent? Everyone comes back to life on this show. It sort of feels like any choice you make could be undone pretty quickly — so we didn’t want the audience to cling on to false hope that Elena would show up in Episode 3 of Season 7. We really had to come up with a scenario that felt as permanent as possible that didn’t kill her, that was emotional, and that would allow our characters to get on with their lives in such a way that there was still some hope for the future. We started talking about, what we call, a “Sleeping Beauty spell.” We started talking about it last summer when we were breaking the season in the event that Nina decided not to come back for Season 7. We had 10 different scenarios, one of which took us into Season 7. If she did agree to stay, we had a pitch where it could have lasted a whole half season — all the trials and tribulations the Salvatore brothers had to go through in order to break the sleeping spell only to get to the last one where it’s revealed they have to kill Bonnie Bennett. And then them realizing Elena would never let that happen and blah blah blah.
Any plan we had always revolved around this sleeping spell, but in January, when the news became final, this became our season finale. Everything led up to this. All year long I think we assumed the season would end on the cliffhanger from Episode 21 and then play the rest of it out over the course of Season 7, but it was like, Nope, we’re doing it all now. Which turned out great. It would have been fun to explore over next season, but I think it delivers really powerfully as it is now.
Stefan telling Caroline that he needed Damon more than he needed Elena seemed like kind of a major admission. Why was it important to have that particular moment in this episode?
JP: That was my most important scene in the finale. It’s so funny, everything I write now, I wonder, Who is going to yell at me about this? I knew I was going to get killed for that scene, but I didn’t care. I have said again and again and again that the most powerful love story on this show, the team I ‘ship the hardest, is Team Salvatore. Yes, I loved Stefan and Elena together. I really did. I thought they had a deeply powerful, beautiful relationship. And I also loved Damon and Elena together because I loved watching it build over time, and I love what it meant to Damon as a character to have that epic fairy tale that so many people connected to.
But when all is said and done, the story I love the most is the one between Stefan and Damon, and I do believe that is always the heart of the show. And for Stefan to have proper closure with Elena, for the audience to have proper closure with Elena and Stefan, for us as writers to have proper closure in reminding ourselves about the power of that a little bit… there were a lot of reasons for that scene. But, for me, that girl was allegedly the love of his life and he’s losing her too and wanting for Caroline to say, “Are you going to be OK?” And for him to say, “Yeah, I think I will be because I think she came into my life for a reason, and I think that reason is to remind me that my relationship with my brother is my constant.” For better or worse.
Speaking of epic finale moments, there is the scene where Damon says to Elena, “How do I prepare to spend 60 years without you?” Given that, can romance no longer be a part of his storyline on this show?
JP: There is a line in the script where Elena says to Damon, “I want you to be happy,” but there was a line that said, “You waited for Katherine [also played by Dobrev] and lived your life, so don’t stop your life while you wait for me.” But we cut it for time and because it was too far. Put it this way: Damon is not falling out of love anytime soon. He’s not going to look at another girl sideways anytime soon. And I think there’s a lot of fun to be had with Damon, the hottest vampire in town, being like, Ladies, back off. I’m a taken man. I think there’s as much fun to be had in him avoiding women as there is in him indulging in women. I think we’ll honor their pledge for the future.
Logistically, you’ve got Paul, Ian, Candice, Kat. You’ve got… I’m assuming Matt Davis will be back… Although, wait. I’m super mad about what you did to Jo (Jodi Lyn O’Keefe).
JP: Oh my god. I know, I know. It’s the worst. We were like, This is bad. This is terrible. When I pitched it to Matt Davis, he was like, That is so mean. That is awful. My best friend was like, You killed her babies?!? It’s bad and we know how rough it is, but it had to happen. … Ain’t no doubt about who your big bad of the season is when this episode ends.
Can we assume that this time jump or whatever we saw at the end of the finale was a result of the heretics?
JP: I think it’s a good assumption. It’s metaphorically, Where is everyone in their life without Elena Gilbert? And, literally, it’s, What has happened to this town in her absence? As we saw, the heretics made their appearance at the end of the episode, so if I were putting money on why Mystic Falls is suddenly abandoned, I would pin the blame on them.
Is that time jump where Season 7 will begin, or is it a flash-forward you’ll return to over the course of Season 7?
JP: It’s a flash-forward we are going to explain, return to, and, also, move beyond. Next season plays with time jumps a little bit. We’re going to have some fun with living in flash-forwards and also in the present.
Can you say how far in the future that particular time jump is?
JP: Um…no. Because we haven’t written it yet.
Is it years or months?
JP: That particular flash-forward I can’t explain because there’s a trick attached to it. But the flash-forwards for next season, we’re talking at least a couple of years in the future.
I guess that’s the benefit of having a cast of characters that aren’t supposed to age.
JP: Yeah, no kidding.
How are you feeling about the stories you’ve begun to break for next year?
JP: We feel great. We’ve got not just the first half of the season marked out, but we have sort of the big mythology for the full season and a launching point for Season 8. To have that already is really thrilling and it let us go on our very brief vacations with a little bit of clear heads and light hearts. I think that the beauty of this show is you have the Salvatore brothers who are so powerful, you have Caroline Forbes who is an epic character, and Bonnie Bennett, and Alaric Saltzman, and Matt Donovan, and Enzo… He needs a last name, I’m realizing. But there are a lot of stories to tell, a lot of relationship dynamics to play out, and a lot of mystery to build.
We’re very excited about the season, and I think the actors specifically are really jazzed that it’s going to be a season based in tension, suspense, some vampire drama, some folklore, some mystery, and not just built around a love triangle. That certainly started to wear out its welcome amongst the actors and the writers. There’s only so much of that you can write before you start to feel like you’re getting a little stale. Given the choice, I’m sure we’d all prefer to have Nina still on the show, but if there is an upside to this situation, it is the freedom to break away from that paradigm and spread our wings a little bit.
Have you begun to plan the end of The Vampire Diaries, or are you hoping there will be a 10th season and an 11th season and so on?
JP: I think that’s a loaded question because there are so many things attached to it. I’ve always said that as long as there are good stories to tell, this is a show that can continue because people love these characters and love the stories and we have a big crew-family that loves their jobs. As long as it feels fresh and not like a burden or a struggle, there’s no reason not to continue.
There are certainly many fans who would argue that there are a million reasons not to continue now that Elena’s gone, but that’s their opinion, and mine is different. If people stop watching because they don’t like the show without Elena, or they don’t like it without another character that may leave eventually, then we’ll all reassess, because I also don’t want to go out limping. Everyone is going to have their say about the creative strength of the show moving forward, but as long as we feel like what we’re doing is good and our bosses feel like we’re doing good work and the feedback we get from fans is that we’re doing good work, then there’s no reason to stop doing good work.
JP: I knew — and the writers pretended to agree with me whether they did or not — that there was no chance in hell we would kill Elena. Absolutely not. I think Nina, in her own way, would have liked to die because we do epic deaths on this show and it’s a great way to go out, but it just didn’t feel right. It would have felt really sour to kill Elena Gilbert, who, incidentally, has already died once. We also didn’t know how our characters could move forward with any kind of levity — Damon specifically — if that were to happen. So that was off the table.
So then it became, How do we make the exit feel permanent? Everyone comes back to life on this show. It sort of feels like any choice you make could be undone pretty quickly — so we didn’t want the audience to cling on to false hope that Elena would show up in Episode 3 of Season 7. We really had to come up with a scenario that felt as permanent as possible that didn’t kill her, that was emotional, and that would allow our characters to get on with their lives in such a way that there was still some hope for the future. We started talking about, what we call, a “Sleeping Beauty spell.” We started talking about it last summer when we were breaking the season in the event that Nina decided not to come back for Season 7. We had 10 different scenarios, one of which took us into Season 7. If she did agree to stay, we had a pitch where it could have lasted a whole half season — all the trials and tribulations the Salvatore brothers had to go through in order to break the sleeping spell only to get to the last one where it’s revealed they have to kill Bonnie Bennett. And then them realizing Elena would never let that happen and blah blah blah.
Any plan we had always revolved around this sleeping spell, but in January, when the news became final, this became our season finale. Everything led up to this. All year long I think we assumed the season would end on the cliffhanger from Episode 21 and then play the rest of it out over the course of Season 7, but it was like, Nope, we’re doing it all now. Which turned out great. It would have been fun to explore over next season, but I think it delivers really powerfully as it is now.
Stefan telling Caroline that he needed Damon more than he needed Elena seemed like kind of a major admission. Why was it important to have that particular moment in this episode?
JP: That was my most important scene in the finale. It’s so funny, everything I write now, I wonder, Who is going to yell at me about this? I knew I was going to get killed for that scene, but I didn’t care. I have said again and again and again that the most powerful love story on this show, the team I ‘ship the hardest, is Team Salvatore. Yes, I loved Stefan and Elena together. I really did. I thought they had a deeply powerful, beautiful relationship. And I also loved Damon and Elena together because I loved watching it build over time, and I love what it meant to Damon as a character to have that epic fairy tale that so many people connected to.
But when all is said and done, the story I love the most is the one between Stefan and Damon, and I do believe that is always the heart of the show. And for Stefan to have proper closure with Elena, for the audience to have proper closure with Elena and Stefan, for us as writers to have proper closure in reminding ourselves about the power of that a little bit… there were a lot of reasons for that scene. But, for me, that girl was allegedly the love of his life and he’s losing her too and wanting for Caroline to say, “Are you going to be OK?” And for him to say, “Yeah, I think I will be because I think she came into my life for a reason, and I think that reason is to remind me that my relationship with my brother is my constant.” For better or worse.
Speaking of epic finale moments, there is the scene where Damon says to Elena, “How do I prepare to spend 60 years without you?” Given that, can romance no longer be a part of his storyline on this show?
JP: There is a line in the script where Elena says to Damon, “I want you to be happy,” but there was a line that said, “You waited for Katherine [also played by Dobrev] and lived your life, so don’t stop your life while you wait for me.” But we cut it for time and because it was too far. Put it this way: Damon is not falling out of love anytime soon. He’s not going to look at another girl sideways anytime soon. And I think there’s a lot of fun to be had with Damon, the hottest vampire in town, being like, Ladies, back off. I’m a taken man. I think there’s as much fun to be had in him avoiding women as there is in him indulging in women. I think we’ll honor their pledge for the future.
Logistically, you’ve got Paul, Ian, Candice, Kat. You’ve got… I’m assuming Matt Davis will be back… Although, wait. I’m super mad about what you did to Jo (Jodi Lyn O’Keefe).
JP: Oh my god. I know, I know. It’s the worst. We were like, This is bad. This is terrible. When I pitched it to Matt Davis, he was like, That is so mean. That is awful. My best friend was like, You killed her babies?!? It’s bad and we know how rough it is, but it had to happen. … Ain’t no doubt about who your big bad of the season is when this episode ends.
Can we assume that this time jump or whatever we saw at the end of the finale was a result of the heretics?
JP: I think it’s a good assumption. It’s metaphorically, Where is everyone in their life without Elena Gilbert? And, literally, it’s, What has happened to this town in her absence? As we saw, the heretics made their appearance at the end of the episode, so if I were putting money on why Mystic Falls is suddenly abandoned, I would pin the blame on them.
Is that time jump where Season 7 will begin, or is it a flash-forward you’ll return to over the course of Season 7?
JP: It’s a flash-forward we are going to explain, return to, and, also, move beyond. Next season plays with time jumps a little bit. We’re going to have some fun with living in flash-forwards and also in the present.
Can you say how far in the future that particular time jump is?
JP: Um…no. Because we haven’t written it yet.
Is it years or months?
JP: That particular flash-forward I can’t explain because there’s a trick attached to it. But the flash-forwards for next season, we’re talking at least a couple of years in the future.
I guess that’s the benefit of having a cast of characters that aren’t supposed to age.
JP: Yeah, no kidding.
How are you feeling about the stories you’ve begun to break for next year?
JP: We feel great. We’ve got not just the first half of the season marked out, but we have sort of the big mythology for the full season and a launching point for Season 8. To have that already is really thrilling and it let us go on our very brief vacations with a little bit of clear heads and light hearts. I think that the beauty of this show is you have the Salvatore brothers who are so powerful, you have Caroline Forbes who is an epic character, and Bonnie Bennett, and Alaric Saltzman, and Matt Donovan, and Enzo… He needs a last name, I’m realizing. But there are a lot of stories to tell, a lot of relationship dynamics to play out, and a lot of mystery to build.
We’re very excited about the season, and I think the actors specifically are really jazzed that it’s going to be a season based in tension, suspense, some vampire drama, some folklore, some mystery, and not just built around a love triangle. That certainly started to wear out its welcome amongst the actors and the writers. There’s only so much of that you can write before you start to feel like you’re getting a little stale. Given the choice, I’m sure we’d all prefer to have Nina still on the show, but if there is an upside to this situation, it is the freedom to break away from that paradigm and spread our wings a little bit.
Have you begun to plan the end of The Vampire Diaries, or are you hoping there will be a 10th season and an 11th season and so on?
JP: I think that’s a loaded question because there are so many things attached to it. I’ve always said that as long as there are good stories to tell, this is a show that can continue because people love these characters and love the stories and we have a big crew-family that loves their jobs. As long as it feels fresh and not like a burden or a struggle, there’s no reason not to continue.
There are certainly many fans who would argue that there are a million reasons not to continue now that Elena’s gone, but that’s their opinion, and mine is different. If people stop watching because they don’t like the show without Elena, or they don’t like it without another character that may leave eventually, then we’ll all reassess, because I also don’t want to go out limping. Everyone is going to have their say about the creative strength of the show moving forward, but as long as we feel like what we’re doing is good and our bosses feel like we’re doing good work and the feedback we get from fans is that we’re doing good work, then there’s no reason to stop doing good work.
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I'm fairly satisfied with what I'm reading here. The Bonnie job security part was funny. My only real beef at the moment is what the hell happened with Sara Salvatore and her storyline? The way they left it made the whole thing seem completely pointless.
ReplyDeleteExcited to see how the Heretics story line plays out.
ReplyDeleteStill devasted by Kaï's death !!! I can't breathe anymore XD.........
ReplyDeleteIt was a good episode. Emotional and very sad that Jo died aswell as Liv.
ReplyDeleteI didn't understand the ending tho. Why was Mystic Falls in peices n Damon on th clock tower?
Destruction caused by the Heretics? And it seemed that the town was abandoned.
ReplyDeleteShe is getting ready for S8. She must have a deal with Pedowitz or something xD.
ReplyDeleteThe Heretics have made a mess out of the town, It will be fun to see it the Flashforward againa nd then how thing went to hell to get there.
So the Bamon fans will be dissapointed, Damon is not gonan be with anyone anytime soon.
It wa a flasforward. Whatever happened to teh town will eb explained in S7 but obviously has to do with Lily and her family.
ReplyDeleteDamon killed him right? PLEASE tel;l me Damon KILLED him!!!
ReplyDeleteUgh! I hate time jumps. I really do. Sooo when season 7 Starts it'll be a few years ahead?? I hate that. Well they better show us the past right. And don't miss anything! I'm still really surprised that everyone is surprised about Kai killing Jo, it was unexpected yes, but it wasn't "unexpected" he said the same thing tonight, that I said last week. Jo was a threat to him. He had to remove the threat. Sigh. Poor Alaric and Jo. It is/was really brutal but it was expected. It didn't "shock" me, but it was a surprise in that moment last week. Of course Damon isn't going to be with someone new. And anyone who thinks otherwise has not been paying attention..for 6 years. I'm actually really looking forward to season 7. It'll take a bit to adjust the first few episodes w/o Elena. But there's a lot i'm looking forward to that doesn't involve her, so we'll see how it goes. I'm hopeful for season 7. They'll be different dynamics/interactions between the characters and i've always loved that with the show.
ReplyDeleteAt least it ended in a way that Delena is still the end result... I really hope this show doesn't continue just because Julie Plec wants it to... You are no shonda Rhimes... And the show hasn't had love triangle since season 4 so what is she talking about... I'll give next season a chance but not feeling it for me without the romance... I hate that they killed Jo and Liv... Can't alaric ever be happy?
ReplyDeleteIM SUPER EXCITED FOR SEASON 7 !!!!TVD NEEDS TO BRING THE ACTION!!! And HALLELUJAH NO MORE LOVE TRANGLES!!!!! I don't mind STEROLINE ROMANCE THOUGH!!! ARE YOU KIDDING...MY COUNTDOWN STARTS NOW FOR STEROLINE LOVIN;) NEXT SEASON!!!! Eeeekkkk CANT WAIT
ReplyDeleteOH BTW FOR STEROLINE FANS IF ANYONE HAS FANFICTIONS LET ME KNOW PRETTY PLEAESE!!
ReplyDeleteUsually I like the villains on this show, because it keep things interesting, but Kai has annoyed me since the first time he appeared and even if I never see him again, it'll still be too soon.
ReplyDeleteI never liked Sara and I thought they were trying to make her an Elena replacement kind of character.
ReplyDeleteThere doesn't need to be a 10th and 11th season! End the series with 7 seasons. The cast is not as big as it used to be, it's so small now and it's better to end it ASAP before more people decide to leave! Wrap up the series and give the characters closure...but I will still like to see a few of them crossover to The Originals.
ReplyDeleteWell, honestly they are behind in the timeline anytime. They're suppose to be in like 2014 or 2015 right now and yet they're in 2013.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad that the show will move on without Elena and that we get to see her again at the very end.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure I want to watch season 7 though.
I am looking forward to season 7, to me the brothers were always the core of the show and nor Elena, so I am curious what they come up with.
ReplyDeleteI don't feel good about Stefan and Caroline being the main couple of the show while Damon is single. It feels to much like season 1. Daroline shippers coming ?
ReplyDeleteAt least a time jump would bring them into 2015. The timeline has always bugged me.
ReplyDeleteIt never bothered me b/c I kept track of it. A year time jump. That's fine, I could deal. Anything longer, I hate it. I think the only time I accepted long time jumps was in LOST. Well Cuz, you know you had to. Lol
ReplyDeleteI kept track of it, it's just annoying.
ReplyDeleteWell technically now, they ARE in 2014. But yes they're in 2013, but it doesn't bother me. More than 1 Yr time jumps bother me. I've always hated time jumps.
ReplyDeleteHmmm.
ReplyDeleteAlso Happy Birthday Shannon!
ReplyDeleteHere's cake:
Awwwww Graydon!!! I LOVE IT!!! They're beautiful!!!! Awwww Thank you sooo much!! You kept your promise and surprised me with 3 cakes. I'm smiling like crazy. You're adorable. Xoxoxo
ReplyDeleteYou're very welcome. Glad I could make you happy. :D
ReplyDeleteI doubt it. There is still controversy over Damon's treatment of Caroline in Season 1. Plus, the thought of history repeating itself - again - leaves me cold. Let Stefan and Caroline work it out between themselves. Damon is taken, period.
ReplyDeleteDefinitely pointless. I think the writers were told to shift gears and there was no time or desire to pursue Sara's story line. And she was a Salvatore, too. What amazes me is how characters can literally disappear from this show (Sara, Allison, Meredith). They don't even have to die!
ReplyDeleteAnd don't forget the infamous April Young.
ReplyDeleteThe one thing I can absolutely agree on with Julie Plec is that the true love story of TVD is that of the Salvatore brothers. Long before Elena supposedly showed Stefan that his brother was worthy of being loved, the brothers saved each others' butts over and over again even while they were threatening to kill each other. That's all they ever were, just threats. It's impossible to me to imagine one brother ever killing the other, although L. J. Smith did. If either one of the actors ever leaves the show, that's the end of TVD not just for me, but literally the end. I could watch Ian Somerhalder from morning until night, but Damon needs Stefan to play against, and Stefan needs Damon, period.
ReplyDeleteShe said they will honor their pledge. I am thinking Damon knows he is gonna live as a human with Elena. So he has already lived a long life. I mean I doubt that he is gonna go out and hook knowing he is in in real love and his love will wake in once Bonnie Dies. I mean Bonnie can get cancer or something else...Damon is gonna be a guy doing good deeds..
ReplyDeleteIt happens more than you think. = )
ReplyDeleteDamon standing on top of that toward looking over the destruction of their town while cop Matt drove through it had a very Batman-Gordon vibe to it. Kinda hoping that's how it will play out. :D
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