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The Flash - Episode 1.23 - Fast Enough - Sneak Peeks *Updated*

May 19, 2015

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150 comments:

  1. RevanMay 18, 2015 at 5:31 PM

    Can't wait any longer.

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  2. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 5:34 PM

    Wait what? Die he just say 136? Goddammit.

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  3. Spindae2May 18, 2015 at 5:36 PM

    wow! o.O
    Right away a powerful scene. Eobard U smug son of a Thawne.
    This will be a heartbreaking finale.

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  4. ivanMay 18, 2015 at 5:38 PM

    LOL

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  5. ivanMay 18, 2015 at 5:38 PM

    They made him younger didn't they? He's supposed to be from the 215th Century right?

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  6. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 5:39 PM

    25th century.

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  7. ivanMay 18, 2015 at 5:39 PM

    Well it matters to me Thawne, why do you hate Barry/The Flash so much?!

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  8. Lord NikonMay 18, 2015 at 5:40 PM

    Wow, now that was unexpected for him to be able to defeat him he needed only his name.

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  9. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 5:41 PM

    Because he's a psychopathic dick. At least in the comics more or less.

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  10. ivanMay 18, 2015 at 5:41 PM

    Well yeah but even psychos need a reason, as fake as it is

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  11. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 5:41 PM

    I'm sorry but how? With his name he can kill him in the past.

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  12. ivanMay 18, 2015 at 5:42 PM

    oops typo LOL, yeah that's what i meant

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  13. Lord NikonMay 18, 2015 at 5:42 PM

    Well when he knows his name, he can go back in time and erase him from history, either by killing him or his parents.

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  14. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 5:42 PM

    Yes. That's my point.

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  15. ivanMay 18, 2015 at 5:42 PM

    or Grandparents or Great-Grandparents LOL

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  16. Lord NikonMay 18, 2015 at 5:43 PM

    Yeah, but the grandparents is not necessary, at least in my opinion.

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  17. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 5:43 PM

    It was really just jealousy and anger over stopping him from committing crimes and basic insanity.

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  18. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 5:44 PM

    Smarter though, but far less fun to a guy like Thawne.

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  19. ivanMay 18, 2015 at 5:45 PM

    O-kay well yeah that's good enough reason for a psycho LOL

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  20. ivanMay 18, 2015 at 5:46 PM

    He might even go to the caveman times and kill the first ever Allen wouldn't he?

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  21. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 5:47 PM

    If he could track his lineage (and if it didn't affect his own) back around 120-200,000 years yeah.

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  22. AnnoDominiMay 18, 2015 at 5:48 PM

    So this Eobard Thawne is from the 22nd century and not the 25th?

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  23. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    I really don't get the change.

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  24. ivanMay 18, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    Yep he's loony tunes LOL

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  25. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 5:50 PM

    Oh if you think he's crazy you should see Zoom/Zolomon.

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  26. ivanMay 18, 2015 at 5:52 PM

    Yeah i've heard about him but don't really know anything about him, he's CRAZIER?

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  27. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 5:54 PM

    His perception of reality is really messed up. He literally sees things that aren't there. Is so insane that he believes murdering those Wally West cares about will make him a better Flash, and that he;s still Wally's friend in spite of this. On the plus side he's less of an asshole than Thawne, and isn't a psychopath just a really, really damaged guy who in his mind is helping.

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  28. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 6:02 PM

    I'd say take a few hundred cows when you go back, but that could irrevocably damage the ecosystem.

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  29. ivanMay 18, 2015 at 6:07 PM

    Wow that's actually pretty sad, i mean yeah he's evil but still. Don't they have shrinks to help him?

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  30. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 6:10 PM

    I wouldn't even say he's evil necessarily just insane.

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  31. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 6:12 PM

    And what's even worse is the guy was once a great FBI agent/cop who lost his wife, his job and because of Grodd his ability to walk, and then went nuts trying to use the cosmic treadmill to travel through time.

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  32. ivanMay 18, 2015 at 6:21 PM

    Geez poor guy

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  33. KokyMay 18, 2015 at 6:54 PM

    It was A LOT easier to resist spoilers when there were other shows on air for me to think about.
    MUST. STAY. STRONG.

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  34. nicholasMay 18, 2015 at 6:54 PM

    Well i guess the time masters will help barry to stop thawne changing history

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  35. ShannonMay 18, 2015 at 6:58 PM

    GAH!!!!! He's amazing!!! And he'll get his ass kicked and iI'll love him even more!!! Is it twisted? Yes! But does it make sense? YES!!!

    No cows huh?? That really sucks!!! That would be such a nightmare for Dean Winchester. Lol

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  36. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 7:01 PM

    Give in to the spoilers.

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  37. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 7:02 PM

    I'm thinking it'll just be Barry.

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  38. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 7:03 PM

    Not sure about getting his ass kicked. Thawne's always a few thousand steps ahead of Barry, has much more experience with time travel, the Speed Force and this rivalry and well it's Thawne.

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  39. ShannonMay 18, 2015 at 7:04 PM

    HE WILL B?C I SAID SOOO SHUTTTT UPPPPP!

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  40. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 7:05 PM

    Not so sure.

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  41. ShannonMay 18, 2015 at 7:08 PM

    I am!

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  42. KokyMay 18, 2015 at 7:09 PM

    Don't do this. I'm barely hanging on :(
    If I watched I will be mad that I saw it and disappointed at myself. I saw the 1 minute promo for the Arrow season finale today and I was so happy I didn't see it before the episode.

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  43. nicholasMay 18, 2015 at 7:13 PM

    Well the LoT is a spinoff and green arrow and flash must of got info from someone about vandal savage

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  44. ShannonMay 18, 2015 at 7:23 PM

    You know what I just realized? If the finale ends with the last scene being that Barry says to Nora, "It's me Barry." As the cliffhanger. I'll be soooooooooooooooo pisssed, like all summer pissed. Please TBTP; don't do that!!!

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  45. IsaMay 18, 2015 at 7:35 PM

    He said "in a future.." So the future from the article might not be happening at all? Aye, this getting confusing.

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  46. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 7:40 PM

    They wouldn't.

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  47. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 7:40 PM

    Yeah Rip Hunter.

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  48. nicholasMay 18, 2015 at 7:41 PM

    That's maybe what they going to do. Have us watch season 2 to see what happen next

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  49. BrianMay 18, 2015 at 7:43 PM

    Did they change his birthday or is it possible he traveled to the 25th Century and came to the 21st Century (2000) from there? Or maybe in the future they have amazing longevity.

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  50. ShannonMay 18, 2015 at 7:51 PM

    I'd hate them with a passion. Idk why but I didn't think about that til JUST NOW! Apparently my paranoia is kicking in. = /

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  51. ShannonMay 18, 2015 at 7:51 PM

    I hope now. I'm paranoid now.

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  52. nicholasMay 18, 2015 at 7:54 PM

    They need a jaw dropping cliffhanger like any other tv show in a season finale

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  53. ivanMay 18, 2015 at 8:23 PM

    Come to the Dark Side, it's good on this side

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  54. ivanMay 18, 2015 at 8:24 PM

    HA!

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  55. ivanMay 18, 2015 at 8:24 PM

    Oh God they wouldn't be that evil could they?!

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  56. ivanMay 18, 2015 at 8:26 PM

    Oh i thought he just repeated Barry, so A future huh? maybe they've been battling through timelines too?

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  57. ivanMay 18, 2015 at 8:26 PM

    Flashpoint Paradox cliffhanger

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  58. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 8:30 PM

    Unless they force Arrow into a crossover event for a while, they can't do that. And we already know that the Flash won't impact Arrow's finale.

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  59. KokyMay 18, 2015 at 8:30 PM

    WOW! Thanks, Satin lol
    OK just tell me one thing, is the confrontation as epic as I imagine it to be?

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  60. ivanMay 18, 2015 at 8:34 PM

    Who do you like better as Thawne? Cavanagh or Letscher?

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  61. KokyMay 18, 2015 at 8:56 PM

    Wait what did I write?

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  62. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 9:22 PM

    According to Danielle Panabaker he (or at least Cavanagh) is back. But it's Thawne far too big not to return.

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  63. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 9:24 PM

    Basically the DC universe operates on the multiverse principle (but at the same time you can change timelines) so Eobard is from a different one.

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  64. ShannonMay 18, 2015 at 9:43 PM

    And him meeting his mother isn't "jaw dropping"?? = /

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  65. ShannonMay 18, 2015 at 9:44 PM

    Wouldn't put it past them.

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  66. ShannonMay 18, 2015 at 9:46 PM

    What Graydon said.

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  67. ivanMay 18, 2015 at 9:57 PM

    Is Eobard Thawne the Lex Luthor to Barry Allen or is it someone else?

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  68. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 10:11 PM

    I prefer the Joker to his Batman.

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  69. arrowshieldfanMay 18, 2015 at 10:23 PM

    He definately be back but I think Grodd will be the season 2 big bad

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  70. ivanMay 18, 2015 at 10:32 PM

    well yeah same thing, so Eobard Thawne IS his ultimate arch-enemy? no one else? he'l have enemies but Professor Zoom is his Lex Luthor, his Joker?

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  71. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 10:38 PM

    There's a slight difference, but yes he's his greatest enemy.

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  72. ivanMay 18, 2015 at 10:45 PM

    LOL

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  73. ivanMay 18, 2015 at 10:46 PM

    OK cool, so he's definitely not going anywhere

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  74. ivanMay 18, 2015 at 10:46 PM

    Really? Grodd?

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  75. GraydonMay 18, 2015 at 10:50 PM

    Nope. I mean Barry could kill him, but… probably won't happen.

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  76. ivanMay 19, 2015 at 12:25 AM

    Yeah part of me hates that part of Barry, because if it were me i would gas that cell with cyanide. Not a good guy thing to say BUT there it is.

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  77. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 1:00 AM

    That part of Barry is awhy he's a hero. And that is a dark thought. That's not just not a good guy thing, that's a very bad guy thing.

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  78. "A"May 19, 2015 at 1:05 AM

    24 hours to go until the final !!!!

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  79. fan2000May 19, 2015 at 2:06 AM

    But I want to know! I want to know more about him coming from the future.

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  80. fan2000May 19, 2015 at 2:10 AM

    Yeah technically he said he was born in 136 years from now.. which is 2150 which I am guessing he looked like he was 31 when he killed professor Wells? Which means 2150+31 years he came from the year 2181, correct anyone? By the way I am using the year 2014

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  81. MatthewMay 19, 2015 at 4:33 AM

    Its why he neds to bring in Oliver to clean up his Metahuman problem and deal with Thawne.

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  82. ivanMay 19, 2015 at 5:01 AM

    Yeah but Oliver's in his no-killing kick, but hey he killed Ra's what's another Big Bad? He kills him then goes back to TAHITI, no never TAHITI LOL

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  83. MatthewMay 19, 2015 at 5:31 AM

    THats wat I dont get. People say Oliver isnt a killer anymore. Rubbish.

    Hes a killer, he just chooses not to kill all the time anymore. You dont stop being a killer just because you havnt killed lately.

    What I loved about the Flash back in the last episode was when Oliver basically brought the General to the brink of death with all those Arrows but had not kiled him. He can do that.

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  84. O D AMay 19, 2015 at 8:32 AM

    I am not familiar with the comics. But can they fashion a whole season with a meta gorilla as the big bad?

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  85. O D AMay 19, 2015 at 8:33 AM

    But how much presence will he have? Will he be absent for a time and then come back to wreak havoc in Barry's life or is he going to be a steady presence? I need answers.

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  86. IsaMay 19, 2015 at 9:26 AM

    So by changing the timeline now would also change or erase future-Barry in an alternate timeline or universe?

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  87. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 9:33 AM

    Wel then we find Kreisberg and Berlanti and get some.

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  88. "A"May 19, 2015 at 10:06 AM

    So that is 2151.
    The Flash vanishes on/around April 25th, 2024.

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  89. "A"May 19, 2015 at 10:12 AM

    The Flash vanishes on/around April 25, 2024

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  90. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 11:33 AM

    If Eobard killed Barry it wouldn't affect the timeline he's from. So future Barry would be safe. Now a future version of the Barry from the alternate (aka main timeline) well he'd be dead like present Barry.

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  91. O D AMay 19, 2015 at 11:41 AM

    I want to make Berlanti, Kreisberg and Guggenheim sit down have a long talk with them.

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  92. JonMay 19, 2015 at 2:15 PM

    They could technically have the crossover event take place during the hiatus and play out in new Season 3.5/Season 1.5 tie in comics, only to have it be resolved 5 months later when the shows start up again. The tie in comics are good for teling stories that logistically or budgetarily wouldn't be possible to do on screen such as a long crossover story.

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  93. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 2:44 PM

    I'm cool. Answers are nice, but fans should never influence a show.

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  94. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 2:46 PM

    You could do that but most people don't read the comics and would be pissed. Good idea budget wise though.

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  95. JonMay 19, 2015 at 4:47 PM

    Indeed you can do set pieces and effects that wouldn't be possible on a modest TV budget with the tie in-comics , and things like the availability of an actor to portray a certain character needed for the story also becomes very much a non-issue.

    Why would people get pissed though? They are not hard to get. If you decide not to read you miss a cool story. Seems pretty simple to me.

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  96. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 5:37 PM

    It's such a major story arc. People would want to see it in motion and through a camera with the actors. Especially since it would be an Arrowverse adaptation of it.

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  97. Bruce_FMay 19, 2015 at 5:45 PM

    Listen to your dad, Barry. If you must go back in time, do it to say goodbye to your Mom. Don't do it to save her. Otherwise, everything will get screwed up.

    Aw, who am I kidding. Of course everything will get screwed up.

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  98. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 5:46 PM

    Oh Henry Allen you're the only genre savvy character. The only one who knows how bad of an idea this is (well except Stein probably).

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  99. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 5:55 PM

    Yeah. Grodd has the intelligence, power and could manipulate others (say the Rogues) to help.

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  100. Bruce_FMay 19, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    I agree. I only make the suggestion because we all know he's going to go no matter what anyone says anyway.

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  101. Spindae2May 19, 2015 at 6:23 PM

    Those jail scenes can't get boring! Barry and Henry bring their A game every single time.
    I love that Henry cares more about Barry still be Barry. Lets see how the writers will play this mess out.

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  102. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 6:25 PM

    Yep and then he'll alter the timeline and then we'll see how that affects everyone in two.

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  103. AnnoDominiMay 19, 2015 at 6:47 PM

    Eobard Thawne was known to going back in time to face The Flash. They go back in time, Reverse-Flash fights The Flash, then tries to go back in time to kill Barry when he was a child.

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  104. ShannonMay 19, 2015 at 7:02 PM

    LISTEN TO YOUR FATHER BARRY!!! LISTEN TO HIM! NO GOOD WILL COME OF THIS!

    On another note, so am i not going to get a WestAllen kiss, or some type of confession, b/c Umm that would just complete my series of season finale goodness. Is it selfish to ask? Yes. Do I care? No. I'm just saying, all my shows, as far as season finales go, have been GREAT. I've gotten something good out of each and every one of them. A WestAllen moment would just put the icing on the cake for me, and I can be happy the entire summer. = D

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  105. ShannonMay 19, 2015 at 7:03 PM

    I love him. He makes me so happy, it hurts.

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  106. AndreaPMay 19, 2015 at 7:04 PM

    I saw a little clip the other day where Iris and Barry are talking about the article of the future, they are talking about her being Iris West-Allen. There you'll have your WestAllen moment :)

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  107. AndreaPMay 19, 2015 at 7:05 PM

    So... I'm not the only one feeling like they are going to leave us with a WTF face and then credits will roll and will die for 4 months, right? Because that feeling it's getting bigger every hour...

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  108. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 7:09 PM

    He makes me happy, sad and angry. Happy because he's such a loving Dad and only wants what's best for Barry despite how such things could affect him. Sad because well prison (tempted to make a soap dropping joke). And Angry because well f*cking Eobard Thawne.

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  109. ShannonMay 19, 2015 at 7:14 PM

    Ohhh hun, I'm sorry, I should've been more specific, that was a rhetorical question. I didn't read your comment after I saw the name "Iris" in the first sentence. It's the season finale, so I don't want to be spoiled. I watch the sneak peeks posted here and that's it. I don't look for anything else or anywhere else. IF there's a moment between Barry and Iris, I'll wait til tonight to see for myself. Thank you though. = )

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  110. ShannonMay 19, 2015 at 7:18 PM

    Hold the joke. He doesn't deserve that. I DO hope that he becomes a series regular next season. (That's not a question, please don't confirm or deny that. It'll ruin the finale for me).

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  111. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 7:22 PM

    I'm more fascinated by the idea of Jay Garrick appearing (his helmet was in the Legends of Tomorrow trailer).

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  112. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 7:25 PM

    More that it's an unnecessary change that bugs me. 25th century is much cooler.

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  113. AndreaPMay 19, 2015 at 7:29 PM

    I apologize then, but it really looked like you wanted to know. Just so you know, it was posted in The Flash official twitter, barely 5 seconds.

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  114. ivanMay 19, 2015 at 7:57 PM

    Yeah that was a great but dark scene and that was also the first time he said "You have failed this city"

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  115. ivanMay 19, 2015 at 7:59 PM

    Oh so it IS possible and it wouldn't feel gimmicky?

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  116. ivanMay 19, 2015 at 8:01 PM

    Yeah i just saw it, it was so awesome!!! i know you don't believe it but but i'm still hoping Henry's Garrick

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  117. ShannonMay 19, 2015 at 8:05 PM

    You're forgiven. I don't hold you to it, you didn't know. And I guess that's why I don't know about w/e clip you watched, I don't do twitter, I hate twitter. Lol

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  118. ShannonMay 19, 2015 at 8:07 PM

    That would probably happen in season 2, Like every other big appearance, I won't hold my breathe.

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  119. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 8:11 PM

    Oh it'll happen. Gustin's already teased seeing Earth 2 and the multiverse. I expected it to be in season two.

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  120. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 8:14 PM

    I doubt that'll happen. Love Henry, but that's not happening. Ronnie has a better chance even.

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  121. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 8:25 PM

    I actually don't mind twitter mainly because it can be cool celebrity wise or show wise, Facebook though…

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  122. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 8:25 PM

    Lol, just saw it that is awkward.

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  123. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 9:12 PM

    I really hate that idea for several reasons.

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  124. O D AMay 19, 2015 at 9:29 PM

    Oh Henry. I love you. Barry listen to your father. I always have this feeling Henry knows more about speedsters than he is letting on. Could he be Jay Garrick or could he have known Jay Garrick?

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  125. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 9:30 PM

    No. He's not Jay Garrick. I doubt he knows anything about Speedsters. He's just not (no offence to Barry) stupid about time travel.

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  126. ShannonMay 19, 2015 at 9:30 PM

    Yeah, I know Jay will appear..in season 2. I still won't hold my breathe. When it happens it happen, I didn't read anything by Grant, nor do I want to, til this season is over. I don't need to worry about seasoN 2 right now.

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  127. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 9:33 PM

    Never said I was holding my breath Shannon. I'm one of the more realistic fanboys in existence.

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  128. ShannonMay 19, 2015 at 9:36 PM

    I never said you were, I said I wasn't, as in referring to my previous comment.

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  129. O D AMay 19, 2015 at 9:37 PM

    Do you remember the talk Henry had with Barry at Star labs about him being the Flash. My spidey senses started tingling then. I could be wrong. But it is fun to speculate.

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  130. ShannonMay 19, 2015 at 9:37 PM

    Ok.

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  131. ShannonMay 19, 2015 at 9:38 PM

    I disagree. Guess we'll see.

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  132. O D AMay 19, 2015 at 9:38 PM

    But where will he base his operations in the sewer? Couldn't Barry and co. just bomb the sewer and be done with it?

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  133. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 9:40 PM

    There is literally no reason story wise to make him a regular. And he's still in prison.

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  134. O D AMay 19, 2015 at 9:41 PM

    I would like to prod their minds and know what are some of the reasons for the story arcs they have done on Arrow? Every one of has different idea about Malcolm's plans. I want to know what they think? How long according to them Malcolm was planning this whole thing? Did he take Thea along with this plan in mind? I have lot of questions for them.

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  135. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 9:42 PM

    Seriously? Should he start vibrating his hands through criminals left and right too? That's f*cking murder. And not even self-defence or manslaughter. Premeditated murder. That goes against everything Barry does (and should stand for). And besides I doubt Grodd would do that.

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  136. O D AMay 19, 2015 at 9:48 PM

    But GRODD is a freaking gorilla. If it was a lion in his place out in the city killing people animal control might put him down. LoL.

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  137. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 9:48 PM

    Honestly no problem with Malcolm's plans besides the desperation and incredibly foolishness of them (but even then based on his clear immense consistent fear of Ra's I'm cool with that). Malcolm never planned originally to be Ra's. He just wanted to be free, but once Oliver was offered the deal and the cops went after him Oliver made the deal. So weeks. And Thea yeah he planned to use her as a way to save her and himself (mainly himself-but he's clearly that desperate and thinks that low of Oliver's ability to protect Thea).

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  138. ShannonMay 19, 2015 at 9:49 PM

    This comment, makes me disagree with you even more. There's always someone who says, "There''s no reason to have this character, blah blah blah." And there's always a reason, it doesn't matter if he's still in prison, that doesn't mean he's not important enough. To still be in prison next season yet still have a bigger role. It's been done before in tv shows, shows that i've watched. Like I said, I guess we'll see. The only way I don't see it happening is if he actually died tonight. That I also don't see happening, because well, i'm optimistic about that. Plus since it's the finale, iI don't want to think about who could die, iI want to be surprised by a death, not right about a death.

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  139. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 9:50 PM

    A sentient, fully self-aware Gorilla. He's smarter (or will be) than most people. And that's not justice. That's literally cold blooded murder at its worst.

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  140. O D AMay 19, 2015 at 9:53 PM

    I don't know Graydon. I still can't completely buy it. What would Malcolm have done if Oliver actually let Nyssa take Malcolm in episode 4? Also he should have known always that Oliver would die at the hands of Ra's. No way Oliver was going to win that. After Oliver dead Ra's would still hunt Malcolm down. So the plan actually looks extremely stupid which is complete opposite of my picture of Malcolm. I always considered him extremely brilliant, insane but brilliant. This plan does not look like it came from Malcolm Merlyn's mind.

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  141. O D AMay 19, 2015 at 9:55 PM

    So what can they do? Some how subdue him and put him in a cage from where he cannot control anyone until he dies? That sounds more cruel to GRODD than killing him.

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  142. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 9:56 PM

    But the Flash isn't those shows. A prisoner isn't much help against metahumans, and his role in this adaptation is already a huge expansion (he's dead in the comics years before Barry's even the Flash). A nice thought, but given his current role (and frequency of appearances), the fact that Joe is here, and his small (albeit key role) in the story, I really don't see why he'd be a regular.

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  143. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 9:57 PM

    Imprison and rehabilitate him. Like all metas should be. That's what is right. And Barry isn't about to cross that line soon. Nor should he.

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  144. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 10:04 PM

    I disagree. It's foolish and desperate as hell, but he did damn good in how it turned out. Plus a stupid man could have never turned a death sentence against him into becoming Ra's. So he's still as intelligent as ever. And his plan with that duel was literally his only option. Either face Ra's himself and die (he'd never give Merlyn a trial by combat the Undertaking ensured that), or force Oliver to fight him, thereby taking the rap for Sara's death, give him and Thea a chance to escape punishment or if Oliver killed him avoiding it altogether with the prophecy (and knowing it would make Oliver Ra's). And when he found out Oliver survived and was offered well he played it brilliantly. Honestly still the smart villain in this verse besides Eobard Thawne.

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  145. ShannonMay 19, 2015 at 10:11 PM

    You don't see it. I do. I see an expansion on his part. A bigger one. And since Flash is still trying to find its footing, you can't say, "It's not one of those shows" b/c even TPTB, don't know yet. You could probably get away with that in season 2. But not now. Joe being around hasn't affected Henry's role in the least bit. So if Barry actually had two father figures, (one actually being his biological Father), then I'd call that a win. It's great when all three of them have a scene together, to have them have scenes together, on a regular basis, wouldn't change a thing. (Except make it more awesome). You can say, "You don't see /feel how he could be" all you want, but I see it. A lot could happen with Henry. And only a permanent death on his part would be the only thing that would prove me wrong. The ONLY thing. You forget i'm just as stubborn as you are, even more so.

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  146. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 10:16 PM

    Lol, we are stubborn as hell. I think he'll be a around, but regular? Still don't see it. Wish I did see a future of that, but I don't, unless there is a big timeline shift tonight.

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  147. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 10:18 PM

    I think that was just a passing of the torch between Flash actors. And hope.

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  148. ShannonMay 19, 2015 at 10:26 PM

    What if I told you, I could see the future and I foresaw that, would you believe me? = )

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  149. GraydonMay 19, 2015 at 10:40 PM

    No. But only because I don't believe in such things. But God I would want to. Seriously I wish powers, the force all that crap could be real. I could try though.

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  150. ShannonMay 19, 2015 at 10:52 PM

    Hmm. I'm the opposite. (I actually am clairvoyant but God is not something i believe in) Ha, why am i not suprised? haha.

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