Can Death be killed is the question? This is a being so powerful he will be the one to reap God, seems like if the MOC can be used by Dean to kill Death then that would make Dean more powerful than God. If thats so then they wont need the brothers to be hunting anymore. They basically kill their own show.
Well he already has a massive God complex. If the MOC can be used by Dean to kill Death then that would make Dean more powerful than God. If thats so then they wont need the brothers to be hunting anymore. Dean could just reap all the bad guys and that would be the end of that, no need for hunters. I wonder where that would leave the increasingly redundant Sam? Hmmm.... well as long as Dean fans are happy I guess it doesnt matter.
Right, it's not like the 8 seasons before weren't one long Sam fest with Dean the Caretaker just running behind and cleaning up Sam's messes or saving Sam from himself. I do love both boys immensely and I've enjoyed the first 8 seasons very much but the imbalance of storytelling between the boys was stark. Now Dean finally has an arc of his own that's not linked to Sam the Boy Wonder for once.
Actually no they were not and some of those 'messes' Dean had a hand in. But I will not get into Dean has a story arc of his own because as far as I am concerned he always has and he was central to what was going on with Sam.
The point is that Dean becoming Death means there is no show, because there will be no hunting as Dean could just go around killing off all the bad guys himself. No hunters means Sam doesnt have to be around anymore he is left without a role. It isnt a show about two brothers hunting anymore it about Dean deciding who/what lives and doesnt.
LOL! I didn't know it was a brainstorm about 'How we can have more Sam'!!! Please let people express their opinion about the subject and don't tie everything to Sam. SpoilerTV is not a fan site dedicated to Sam Winchester!
Death told Dean that its Sam's decision to go with him or not and Sam chose Dean so i don't think it's a good reason to ask Dean to kill him Maybe Sam's gonna cross the line to save Dean and he's gonna do something awful( like free Lucifer from the cage ) so Death'll ask Dean to stop him!
The bowl that Cas, Crowley, and Rowena are around just before the shockwave – the one Crowley's bleeding into – has a pool of a very distinctive blue-white glowing substance in it: the FX used for Grace. So once again we're dealing with the trine of Heaven, Hell, and Earth (as represented by human witchcraft) to solve a big problem.
Sam/Cass waiting until the finale to go to Crowley for help when he was obviously the best candidate for that all along, given his power and connections... ridiculous.
Actually, it doeas really look like Dean is going kill Sam. After his words in the very begining of episode 22 it was clear that Dean is really very pissed off and the ;ast person he wants to deal with at the moment is Sam. And right now after nearly killing Cas Dean is standing at the border of doing the greatest mistake in his entire life. Well, I also think that Dean killing Sam is logical 'cause if the story began with Cain killing Abel then it must end exactly the same. Dean killing Sam.
How should @João Paulo know, they were just talking about their thought about the promo (and not the synopsis). And that's the point, not every thought and speculation should circle around a specific character, people are free to like and follow whoever they want in a show. That might be a good a question, but if it's not in the right place, it could come off as pushing and bitter. I don't like such a negative atmosphere here in STV.
Y'all sayin dean is gonna be the new death, to remove the mark, but from what jensen said I'm pretty sure hes gonna refuse it and keep the mark, all the spoilers around are saying dean will make a shocking decision so im p sure he wont remove the mark
I think that's a bit of a bait-and-switch. I think that Dean doesn't want Death to remove the Mark but to reap him once he becomes a demon. I think he knows that once he becomes a Knight-of-Hell one of the only things that could kill him (apart from the First Blade, which would involve creating another Knight) is Death and he is coming up with a contingency plan.
It could be a OUAT-Rumplestiltskin kind of deal - if you use that big Scythe to kill Death, you have to take on the mantle of Death. That maybe a deal that Death is willing to offer - take my place and atleast you won't become a monster.
While it might be awesome, it'd also be completely ridiculous. Dean is nowhere close to taking up that mantle and maintain the natural order come what may. Even as Death, he would try to spare the innocent even if its their time. If it happens at all, I don't see it lasting more than 1 episode. If it happens, that is - which I don't expect it to. I expect Death to make the offer but not Dean to accept it.
That wouldn't be the case at all. Being Death is all about preserving the natural order and letting people die only when its their time - which means Dean would have to keep letting the bad guys kill the good guys or risk screwing up everything.
I'm not sure what he says, actually. But even if he refuses, which wouldn't be surprising after what Sam has done to him, they should have asked him way sooner.
The complete bullshit EDGs try to peddle XD "I do love both boys immensely" and in the next breath calling Sam "the Boy Wonder". What's next? "Special snowflake Sammy"? So typical "rhetoric" Dean-girls use. I bet you called Dean a nursemaid, too, when he dared to look after Sam.
No it wasn't. It was referred to by one actor. Julian Richings said he thought it wasn't really Death solely because Death wasn't eating in that scene. However, Death hasn't been eating in half the scenes he's been in, so that mean he was just a figment of their imagination? No.
In the same interview, Richings s referred to Death as Sam and Dean's grumpy uncle, so he evidently does care some but about them.
Sam was dying. Dying people get a reaper. Death is a reaper. There's no reason to believe that Death wasn't really there (unless, for some reason, you want to).
Added to what you said, Sean, Dean believed enough that Coma Sam was talking to Death that he agreed to allow fake!Zeke trick Sam into saying 'Yes' to possession by allowing ComaSam to think that 'the Dean' who was a part of Sam's own mind had come up with a plan. Dean believed Sam was talking to Death and freaked when he 'saw' that Sam was telling Death 'make it permanent this time so no one can deal me back to life and no one else gets hurt because of me'. Are we not supposed to believe Dean 'virtual eyes' now? On very Dean centric sites they were clinging selectively to JR's words and ignoring what actually went down in 9.01 and what 'scenes' made Dean so desperate to save Sam that he would do what he knew his brother would never consent to. Instead I read a lot of comments like ' only Sam would have the hubris to imagine Death would be his Reaper' and 'everyone knows Death is Dean's character only'.
That's very logical. To be effective against God/Lucifer level magic would require a God/Lucifer level counter spell. The Anti-Leviathan ritual required the blood of an angel, demon and Purgatory native. And that we know that using that 'weapon' packed a punch knocking Dean and Cas into Purgatory.
I remember in Season 5 when Death told Dean that he will have to reap God. Later in Season 6 Death commanded by Dean was ordered to kill God, but there was a misunderstanding, at this time Dean was talking about Cas', Death showed that he didn't really want to kill God (long friend maybe). So in my opinion, maybe Death is asking Dean to reap God for him as a part of the deal.
That makes sense. I saw the angel grace which is Cas's contibution/sacrifice to the cure, now I'm wondering what the demon/hell and human/earth parts will be. Crwoley I guess will sacrifice something for the hell part, maybe his blood or his soul? I wonder if they have to sacrifice a human for the other part and thats why Misha called the whole cure/what they do 'disgusting'?
Its a natural order thing, Dean has constantly played the part of God deciding who lives and dies, This would be the ultimate lesson to Dean and a great price for him pay in order to get the MOC removed.
The synopsis says Dean makes a descion that not only affects his life (getting rid of the MOC) but Sam's too. That deal wouldnt affect Sam, why would that be such an importnat thing to mention in the synopsis and several interviews if it wasnt a significant part of the equation? I'm asking a genuine question based on spoilers, you're just being a rude EDG.
I think he needed to give demon blood as part of the ingredient for the cure in the book, so how would Sam and Cas have know they needed to go to Crowley before Rowena had even decoded and read the cure in the book? Also its Dean who is Crowley's BFF not Sam, why should Sam trying to kill (rightly so) him bother Crowley? If he wants to help Dean he would do it regardless of what Sam did as he's doing it for Dean and not Sam. You're basically looking for excuses to bash Sam and Cas.
Haha! That one is kind of funny. "Dean Cleaver" - LOL :-) I thought Carver made Dean fairly useless in the latter half of S8 too, but I had never felt that way before. I never really understood the whole "Dean needs a mytharc" complaint. To me, he's always been as much a part of the story as Sam b/c the POV has largely been w/him. Plus, IMO, he had the mytharc in S3, S4, and S5. The second half of S8 was an anomaly in this bi-bro fan's mind.
I wonder why it bothers ppl if Death did come to reap Sam. Why not? I'm sure he'd come to reap Dean too. Out of all the people on the world, I think Death has had more interactions w/the Winchesters. I don't know if he was there or not, but if he was actually there, it would make sense to me given it was Sam WINCHESTER. As I said, I'd expect him to usher Dean away too. I remember reading comments about how arrogant Sam was to think Death would come to reap him, and I never understood the comments. How is it arrogant to think Death would be there? Death does have a personal relationship w/the Winchesters. Why wouldn't he come? Why is it arrogant to think he would? I don't get it.
I don't think anyone wants to see it, nor do I think it is going to happen. It'd probably just be presented as an option Dean could take to get rid of the Mark.
Sam wasn't tricked. Fake Dean said I have a plan. Sam said what's the plan. Then Gad said is that a yes? and Sam said yes. No trick involved. Sam is having buyers remorse so he's screaming trick.
Do you watch the show or watch just to look at JP's face while you drink diet Coke? Have you not seen all season Sam going to great lengths to save Dean from...something...and in doing so, has been making really terrible decisions? Don't you even wonder a little bit what those bad decisions are going to lead to?
What story do you want for Sam that would satisfy you? Sam being a 'chosen one' and having special 'abilities' wasn't enough. Sam trying to save Dean from going to Hell and failing wasn't enough. Sam choosing Ruby over his brother and letting Luci loose wasn't enough. Sam being contrite and then gaining redemption by jumping in the bad CGI hole wasn't enough. Sam coming back soulless and being the ultimate hunter wasn't enough. Sam having as much to do with fighting the Leviathan as Dean wasn't enough. Sam doing the trials wasn't enough. Sam trying to save Dean isn't enough. What would be enough for you?
To me Dean killing Sam would be what changes the landscape for next season. For it goes against everything of Deans character from all the past seasons of saving him and keeping him alive. Cant wait to see.
Just because Carver wants it to be doesn't mean it is Dean would tell you the apocalypse was all his fault. Dean blames himself for everything under the sun doesn't mean it's true.
Sorry, I was away for a while. I think I couldn't explain my point, speaking with respectful and reasonable people is what I'm here for, no matter their side, but the poster here hasn't the best track of nice comments, I've seen numerous unpleasant comments from this person; with admitting to be a Dean hater and the general negative attitude toward everything non-Sam, and obviously with insulting me personally here (not surprising at all from this person), I really didn't think it was an honest question, I thought it was another jab, like how thoroughly mocked another suggestion in this thread. Beside, I still stand by my word, not everyone read the synopsis and not everyone care about my favorite character to count him in their theories about other characters. Even if it's really a question, it should be asked more properly, not like that. You yourself are a good example for proper behavior.
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Looks like everyone who's been hypothesising that removing the Mark of Cain would require angel Grace was right after all....
ReplyDeleteOh Dean, what are going to do ?! Don't deal with Death !
ReplyDeleteDeath. Awesome, Wish he appeared more often but he is such a polarizing character that you can only use him every so often.
ReplyDeleteDean becoming the new Death?! I'm down.
ReplyDeleteThey said a fan-favorite was going to die...CAN THEY KILL DEATH?!!!
ReplyDeleteI haven't watched last episode :(Is there too much spoiler in this promo?
ReplyDeleteDeath makes everything better, so there's at least one part that'll be enjoyable !
ReplyDeleteI don't know, this promo just seems really flat for some reason.
ReplyDeleteDean makes a deal with Death to remove the MOC but has to reap Sam as part of the deal.
ReplyDeleteCan Death be killed is the question? This is a being so powerful he will be the one to reap God, seems like if the MOC can be used by Dean to kill Death then that would make Dean more powerful than God. If thats so then they wont need the brothers to be hunting anymore. They basically kill their own show.
ReplyDeleteWell he already has a massive God complex.
ReplyDeleteIf the MOC can be used by Dean to kill Death then that would make Dean more powerful than God. If thats so then they wont need the brothers to be hunting anymore. Dean could just reap all the bad guys and that would be the end of that, no need for hunters. I wonder where that would leave the increasingly redundant Sam? Hmmm.... well as long as Dean fans are happy I guess it doesnt matter.
Right, it's not like the 8 seasons before weren't one long Sam fest with Dean the Caretaker just running behind and cleaning up Sam's messes or saving Sam from himself. I do love both boys immensely and I've enjoyed the first 8 seasons very much but the imbalance of storytelling between the boys was stark. Now Dean finally has an arc of his own that's not linked to Sam the Boy Wonder for once.
ReplyDeleteOh Death. (no pun intended) I have missed you.
ReplyDeleteActually no they were not and some of those 'messes' Dean had a hand in. But I will not get into Dean has a story arc of his own because as far as I am concerned he always has and he was central to what was going on with Sam.
ReplyDeleteThat's what I think too.
ReplyDeleteAnd Dean will become a reaper next season. I really hope they kill Crowley off, his character is useless this season.
ReplyDeletehow is that a decision that affects Sam?
ReplyDeleteThe point is that Dean becoming Death means there is no show, because there will be no hunting as Dean could just go around killing off all the bad guys himself. No hunters means Sam doesnt have to be around anymore he is left without a role. It isnt a show about two brothers hunting anymore it about Dean deciding who/what lives and doesnt.
ReplyDeleteWhy do you think Death wants him to kill Sam?
ReplyDeleteBecause Sam was supposed to die and wanted to die in the Season 9 premier and even asked Death to make it permanent.
ReplyDeleteLOL! I didn't know it was a brainstorm about 'How we can have more Sam'!!! Please let people express their opinion about the subject and don't tie everything to Sam. SpoilerTV is not a fan site dedicated to Sam Winchester!
ReplyDeleteDeath told Dean that its Sam's decision to go with him or not and Sam chose Dean so i don't think it's a good reason to ask Dean to kill him
ReplyDeleteMaybe Sam's gonna cross the line to save Dean and he's gonna do something awful( like free Lucifer from the cage ) so Death'll ask Dean to stop him!
I think he/she asked this question because the synopisis told us that dean'll make decision that will affect not only his life but sams life too!
ReplyDeleteThat extended promo looks great. It looks like what I had hoped the entire season would look like.
ReplyDeleteWhat makes you think that?
ReplyDeleteThe bowl that Cas, Crowley, and Rowena are around just before the shockwave – the one Crowley's bleeding into – has a pool of a very distinctive blue-white glowing substance in it: the FX used for Grace. So once again we're dealing with the trine of Heaven, Hell, and Earth (as represented by human witchcraft) to solve a big problem.
ReplyDeleteSam/Cass waiting until the finale to go to Crowley for help when he was obviously the best candidate for that all along, given his power and connections... ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteActually, it doeas really look like Dean is going kill Sam. After his words in the very begining of episode 22 it was clear that Dean is really very pissed off and the ;ast person he wants to deal with at the moment is Sam. And right now after nearly killing Cas Dean is standing at the border of doing the greatest mistake in his entire life.
ReplyDeleteWell, I also think that Dean killing Sam is logical 'cause if the story began with Cain killing Abel then it must end exactly the same. Dean killing Sam.
How should @João Paulo know, they were just talking about their thought about the promo (and not the synopsis). And that's the point, not every thought and speculation should circle around a specific character, people are free to like and follow whoever they want in a show. That might be a good a question, but if it's not in the right place, it could come off as pushing and bitter. I don't like such a negative atmosphere here in STV.
ReplyDeleteI want to like your comment at least three more times.
ReplyDeleteY'all sayin dean is gonna be the new death, to remove the mark, but from what jensen said I'm pretty sure hes gonna refuse it and keep the mark, all the spoilers around are saying dean will make a shocking decision so im p sure he wont remove the mark
ReplyDeleteHahaha I was waiting to see who would pick that up. You're awesome. ; )
ReplyDeleteI think that's a bit of a bait-and-switch. I think that Dean doesn't want Death to remove the Mark but to reap him once he becomes a demon. I think he knows that once he becomes a Knight-of-Hell one of the only things that could kill him (apart from the First Blade, which would involve creating another Knight) is Death and he is coming up with a contingency plan.
ReplyDeleteIt could be a OUAT-Rumplestiltskin kind of deal - if you use that big Scythe to kill Death, you have to take on the mantle of Death. That maybe a deal that Death is willing to offer - take my place and atleast you won't become a monster.
ReplyDeleteWhile it might be awesome, it'd also be completely ridiculous. Dean is nowhere close to taking up that mantle and maintain the natural order come what may. Even as Death, he would try to spare the innocent even if its their time. If it happens at all, I don't see it lasting more than 1 episode. If it happens, that is - which I don't expect it to. I expect Death to make the offer but not Dean to accept it.
ReplyDeleteThat wouldn't be the case at all. Being Death is all about preserving the natural order and letting people die only when its their time - which means Dean would have to keep letting the bad guys kill the good guys or risk screwing up everything.
ReplyDeleteWhat did Crowley say?
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure what he says, actually.
ReplyDeleteBut even if he refuses, which wouldn't be surprising after what Sam has done to him, they should have asked him way sooner.
The complete bullshit EDGs try to peddle XD "I do love both boys immensely" and in the next breath calling Sam "the Boy Wonder". What's next? "Special snowflake Sammy"? So typical "rhetoric" Dean-girls use. I bet you called Dean a nursemaid, too, when he dared to look after Sam.
ReplyDeleteCrowley says he gave at the office.
ReplyDeleteDeath was a figment of Sam talking to himself in S9. That's made clear by all the actors involved.
ReplyDeleteNo it wasn't. It was referred to by one actor. Julian Richings said he thought it wasn't really Death solely because Death wasn't eating in that scene. However, Death hasn't been eating in half the scenes he's been in, so that mean he was just a figment of their imagination? No.
ReplyDeleteIn the same interview, Richings s referred to Death as Sam and Dean's grumpy uncle, so he evidently does care some but about them.
Sam was dying. Dying people get a reaper. Death is a reaper. There's no reason to believe that Death wasn't really there (unless, for some reason, you want to).
Added to what you said, Sean, Dean believed enough that Coma Sam was talking to Death that he agreed to allow fake!Zeke trick Sam into saying 'Yes' to possession by allowing ComaSam to think that 'the Dean' who was a part of Sam's own mind had come up with a plan. Dean believed Sam was talking to Death and freaked when he 'saw' that Sam was telling Death 'make it permanent this time so no one can deal me back to life and no one else gets hurt because of me'. Are we not supposed to believe Dean 'virtual eyes' now?
ReplyDeleteOn very Dean centric sites they were clinging selectively to JR's words and ignoring what actually went down in 9.01 and what 'scenes' made Dean so desperate to save Sam that he would do what he knew his brother would never consent to. Instead I read a lot of comments like ' only Sam would have the hubris to imagine Death would be his Reaper' and 'everyone knows Death is Dean's character only'.
OMG THIS IS AWESOME!!! :OOO I CAN´T WAIT!! MY POOR DEAN! SAM SAVE YOUR BROTHER! :( AAAAAHHH!!!
ReplyDeleteI believe 'Dean Cleaver' the EDF term that I read the most of in later season 8 when they referred to Dean.
ReplyDeleteThat's very logical. To be effective against God/Lucifer level magic would require a God/Lucifer level counter spell. The Anti-Leviathan ritual required the blood of an angel, demon and Purgatory native. And that we know that using that 'weapon' packed a punch knocking Dean and Cas into Purgatory.
ReplyDeleteI remember in Season 5 when Death told Dean that he will have to reap God. Later in Season 6 Death commanded by Dean was ordered to kill God, but there was a misunderstanding, at this time Dean was talking about Cas', Death showed that he didn't really want to kill God (long friend maybe). So in my opinion, maybe Death is asking Dean to reap God for him as a part of the deal.
ReplyDeleteThis will be an awesome, spectacular, interesting and very emotional episode!!!
ReplyDeleteI wonder if they will kill Death too? Or is he not classes as a recurring character?
ReplyDeleteWONDERFUL and FANTASTIC SUPERNATURAL!!!
ReplyDeleteYeah Dean had a hand alright in cleaning them up after Sam made them.
ReplyDeleteThat makes sense. I saw the angel grace which is Cas's contibution/sacrifice to the cure, now I'm wondering what the demon/hell and human/earth parts will be. Crwoley I guess will sacrifice something for the hell part, maybe his blood or his soul? I wonder if they have to sacrifice a human for the other part and thats why Misha called the whole cure/what they do 'disgusting'?
ReplyDeleteIts a natural order thing, Dean has constantly played the part of God deciding who lives and dies, This would be the ultimate lesson to Dean and a great price for him pay in order to get the MOC removed.
ReplyDeleteUtter rubish, one actor on thow said it and he's a guest star that made a speculation. Carver confirmed that Death was real.
ReplyDeleteThe synopsis says Dean makes a descion that not only affects his life (getting rid of the MOC) but Sam's too. That deal wouldnt affect Sam, why would that be such an importnat thing to mention in the synopsis and several interviews if it wasnt a significant part of the equation?
ReplyDeleteI'm asking a genuine question based on spoilers, you're just being a rude EDG.
I think he needed to give demon blood as part of the ingredient for the cure in the book, so how would Sam and Cas have know they needed to go to Crowley before Rowena had even decoded and read the cure in the book?
ReplyDeleteAlso its Dean who is Crowley's BFF not Sam, why should Sam trying to kill (rightly so) him bother Crowley? If he wants to help Dean he would do it regardless of what Sam did as he's doing it for Dean and not Sam.
You're basically looking for excuses to bash Sam and Cas.
What if dean became a reaper he did kill Tessa!
ReplyDeleteHaha! That one is kind of funny. "Dean Cleaver" - LOL :-)
ReplyDeleteI thought Carver made Dean fairly useless in the latter half of S8 too, but I had never felt that way before. I never really understood the whole "Dean needs a mytharc" complaint. To me, he's always been as much a part of the story as Sam b/c the POV has largely been w/him. Plus, IMO, he had the mytharc in S3, S4, and S5. The second half of S8 was an anomaly in this bi-bro fan's mind.
Does anyone want to see this though? I don't know. SPN is not OUAT so I'm not sure Dean as Death would work for an extended period of time.
ReplyDeleteI wonder why it bothers ppl if Death did come to reap Sam. Why not? I'm sure he'd come to reap Dean too. Out of all the people on the world, I think Death has had more interactions w/the Winchesters.
ReplyDeleteI don't know if he was there or not, but if he was actually there, it would make sense to me given it was Sam WINCHESTER. As I said, I'd expect him to usher Dean away too.
I remember reading comments about how arrogant Sam was to think Death would come to reap him, and I never understood the comments. How is it arrogant to think Death would be there? Death does have a personal relationship w/the Winchesters. Why wouldn't he come? Why is it arrogant to think he would?
I don't get it.
I don't think anyone wants to see it, nor do I think it is going to happen. It'd probably just be presented as an option Dean could take to get rid of the Mark.
ReplyDeleteSam wasn't tricked. Fake Dean said I have a plan. Sam said what's the plan. Then Gad said is that a yes? and Sam said yes. No trick involved. Sam is having buyers remorse so he's screaming trick.
ReplyDeleteComaSam was tricked; Dean verified it 9.09. I'm done.
ReplyDeleteWell, hopefully, something mildly entertaining happens tonight. I have very low expectations so the bare minimum should satisfy me at this point.
ReplyDeleteDo you watch the show or watch just to look at JP's face while you drink diet Coke? Have you not seen all season Sam going to great lengths to save Dean from...something...and in doing so, has been making really terrible decisions? Don't you even wonder a little bit what those bad decisions are going to lead to?
ReplyDeleteWhat story do you want for Sam that would satisfy you? Sam being a 'chosen one' and having special 'abilities' wasn't enough. Sam trying to save Dean from going to Hell and failing wasn't enough. Sam choosing Ruby over his brother and letting Luci loose wasn't enough. Sam being contrite and then gaining redemption by jumping in the bad CGI hole wasn't enough. Sam coming back soulless and being the ultimate hunter wasn't enough. Sam having as much to do with fighting the Leviathan as Dean wasn't enough. Sam doing the trials wasn't enough. Sam trying to save Dean isn't enough. What would be enough for you?
To me Dean killing Sam would be what changes the landscape for next season. For it goes against everything of Deans character from all the past seasons of saving him and keeping him alive. Cant wait to see.
ReplyDeleteAlso because it goes against everything the deans character stands for. That is saving sam and keeping him alive at all cost.
ReplyDeleteJust because Carver wants it to be doesn't mean it is Dean would tell you the apocalypse was all his fault. Dean blames himself for everything under the sun doesn't mean it's true.
ReplyDeleteSorry, I was away for a while.
ReplyDeleteI think I couldn't explain my point, speaking with respectful and reasonable people is what I'm here for, no matter their side, but the poster here hasn't the best track of nice comments, I've seen numerous unpleasant comments from this person; with admitting to be a Dean hater and the general negative attitude toward everything non-Sam, and obviously with insulting me personally here (not surprising at all from this person), I really didn't think it was an honest question, I thought it was another jab, like how thoroughly mocked another suggestion in this thread.
Beside, I still stand by my word, not everyone read the synopsis and not everyone care about my favorite character to count him in their theories about other characters. Even if it's really a question, it should be asked more properly, not like that. You yourself are a good example for proper behavior.