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POLL: What were your favorite scenes from The Blacklist - "Karakurt"?

May 9, 2015

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Geo N is from Detroit, MI. His favorite shows include The Blacklist, Hell On Wheels, The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, LOST, The Leftovers, The Strain, Sons Of Anarchy, Sleepy Hollow and countless others. When he's not watching tons of TV, he enjoys reading, playing hockey, comic books, weightlifting, and writing. Thanks for checking out my post.
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60 comments:

  1. Any scene with Navabi and Aram

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  2. Geo N , any chance, do you think, that we will see a mysterious woman's hand only ( or back of head) at the very end of the episode, foreshadowing the appearance of a certain Mother in Season 3 ?

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  3. I think there is a good chance of that. I have read some things about the cliffhanger for next Thursday, and it mentions something similar to what you are saying, but it's the internet so who knows how true that is, you know?
    If I had to guess I would say that is very likely.

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  4. A logical ( or as logical as can be expected on The Blacklist) progression of the story

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  5. Absolutely - I think the next thing in the story will be Liz's parentage.

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  6. Perhaps now Liz will realise the battle that Red has been fighting all these years, the only way he could fight the Cabal was from the outside with the Fulcrum as leverage.

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  7. II hope now that Liz is feeling it first hand how it is to be a target, it will mend the rift with Red. I don't like them being at odds, as they have been the last episodes. Very excited about the finale - though I still hope that Red is related to Liz. I know really care so much about her mother.

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  8. i heard someone say that maybe the Season 3 Big Bad may be Liz's mom

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  9. Hestia PrytaneumMay 9, 2015 at 7:02 PM

    Ginger Lumiere was an alias for Liz, Dr. Kimberly was Red's sexy friend. ^ A mistake there guys. But i did love that scene. I actually didn't dislike any scene in this episode and the end was epic.

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  10. even Tom pretending he can be Jacob again?

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  11. Hestia PrytaneumMay 9, 2015 at 7:24 PM

    No, but i like to forget Tom/Jacob/Billy whats his face..he may have his 'redemption' just not with Liz. But i liked how Liz did not play into it...does that count? Unfortunately, he will be prominent in the season's final. It might be his last..what do you think? is his story over....

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  12. Ooops! Thank you! I fixed it in my notes but when I typed it I did it backwards.

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  13. I was thinking it would be her, but wasn't sure...

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  14. Hestia PrytaneumMay 9, 2015 at 7:57 PM

    No problem ;), i know you are awesome when it comes to details Geo, so just wanted to help you out there. You would be surprised how many people ship Ginger and Red.

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  15. Went with Dr Kimberly if only for all the funny things in such a small scene. Ginger Lumiere aka Red Lite and Fire in the Hole. The makeover coments reminded me a little of "Tootsie" and the soap opera character Emily Kimberly and how Miichael kept trying to improve on other women and their appearance. Then again the scene with Jacob and Liz talking about the night before, eluding to sex and it will never happen again he should move away on his boat mad me laugh as I know so many can not stand the couple. They even slid in the neo nazi crack about it not doing anything for Liz.

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  16. As this is Mother's day season what makes you think you will have to wait til next season. What makes you think she is not already in the show?

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  17. The biggest assumptions people make in this show are that Liz's parents are both dead and that the Cabal is the highest power in the governmental food chain; what if neither is true? What if Red is a decoy and an operative at the same time. He is the Rubicon.

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  18. She has always been a target but now she is a Fugitive. Looks like a quasi ripoff of that series, making me wonder if it was not Dr Kimberly who infected Liz and not some one else. The Fugitive was named Dr Richard Kimble, perhaps only a forshadowing but her being both a virologist and able to read Russian makes here the sort of person the other doctor would work with. Do love the fact that people Liz touched are not also infected. Any of them could have killed the Senator.

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  19. Actually the title was assistant not secretary, and there is a secondary meaning to Red Light the way you spell it that relates to porn, strippers and brothels. Dr Kimberly may have been a foreshadow of the fact that Liz might become a Fugitive or that they might do a make over of Liz as a man a la Tootsie

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  20. administrative assistant = Secretary. Ginger lumiere is also a make-up colour, so it's open to interpretation. At the end of the series, Liz will be an anti-hero for sure...a fugitive she will be in the season finale. Red has been a foil for Lizzie since the beginning and i am a vast believer in the story within the story aspect...By following Liz's journey, we will learn more about Red's past one. Set-up and screwed-up. Know your real enemies.

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  21. Nah some still think Red is her dad and her mom is probably still alive.

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  22. I liked it when the next-door-neighbor lady with baby called Red. I guess I've gotten to the point where I feel everyone should help Red since he has a higher calling / sees the whole picture. I wonder how fooled I am...

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  23. That's a thought. Here's another thought: Liz is Red's journey his responsibility for better or worse much like Liz being raised by Sam was Sam's responsibility. What we need to learn is who is Liz to every one around her. Is Katerina Rostova Liz'a birth mother or not? Who is Katerina? What is she to Red? And what does Red mean about knwing how to recognize a real enemy from a fake one. Clue: Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. All you will learn from focusing on Red is more about Liz. All you will learn from focusing on Liz is that this is a Swan Tale and she is the Swan. One day after her finale epiphany when she will know how powerful she is and why people are interested in her, the story will be over and we will learn what sort of fox, Red is. Hopefully he is not the have to kill him to learn his truth type of Fox but he could be. Personally, by this point in the story I think Liz is being to kind to Red by not calling him Daddy and treating him like a father, buying him ties and blocking his attempts with women. Do not get me wrong as Red may turn out to be nothing more than a career military man caught up in a shell game of where's the queen but he could be more.


    To be frank it was a dumb move of the Director to target Liz as now the Russians will be on the case, and every other group who see value in her being kept a secret.

    Also this should be nothing but the story War and Peace has a Rostova character who falls in love with a Prince whose sister is named Marya. The Prince dies and Rostova marries another and they have 4 children.

    You might also want to look at the Russian Revolution and the assassination of Tsar Nicholas and hiswife and 4 children in Perm near Kungur back in 1917 and the name of his oldest and youngest daughters thought missing until about 1990 when DNA tests proved they were both dead. Funny how that is the same year they burn down everyone's house in this series and kidnap their daughters. Also funny is in the Revolution the Octoberists were involved, in this show we have the Decemberist.

    Much of this could be red herrings, pun intended but much of it could be hints at what is yet to come.

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  24. Red being her Dad is Assumption #3

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  25. Before Liz revealed that she has the fulcrum and saved Red's life with that threat she wasn't a target of the Cabal as she is now. We don't even know if the allegations will stick more than one episode.

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  26. Lets think back she was almost shot when she was in the mailroom and they saw Red cared about her. Luther Braxton took her with him to drain her brain, they have had her under surveillance for months using a guy who ate apples, which part of being a target is confusing: the hurting her, kidnapping her or the stalking her? The whole reason red shows up is because Liz looks like her mother and she works for the FBI. It was certain that sooner of later a Cabal member would figure it out. Red simply made it impossible to sweep Liz's capture under the table and hide her some where. Now that they are after her legally they have to expose themselves to get her. They also have to fight the other syndicates and governments concerned, not to mention the press.

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  27. Liz's mom? you think she's here already?

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  28. you think the Cabal will expose themselves?

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  29. yeah that counts, EXCEPT for her smile during that DISGUSTING breakfast scene and as much as i like Tom, what they've done with the character i am HORRIFIED that they're bringing back Tom and Liz. So no i don't think his story's over

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  30. well i don't think it's being fooled, because it's been confirmed that Red's an anti-hero and not a full-on villain like The Director. So you're not being fooled, you just trust Red

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  31. you called him "Jacob" so you're one of the ones that want him back with Liz aren't you?

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  32. The question being: how "trustworthy" IS Red? We're being led by the info we're given on the show to trust him plus Red keeps being correct, helping / protecting Liz, catching & killing truly horrible people yet Red really is a psychopath. Is he capable of truly caring about someone or does he just use people? That's one of the things I'm concerned about since Liz has been hurt so badly and deeply that once Red gets whatever it is he wants from her, he'll dump her. On the other hand, I've been getting the feeling since episode 16 when Liz looks at Red and says something to the effect of, "You brought a man back that you HATE (Tom), to save me..." - I've started to feel that Liz is playing Red. I think she'll kill him in the end. Talk about closure...

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  33. i think what we can trust is that Red cares about Liz, he even missed a meeting with Caul to help Liz. I don't think Liz could ever or even want to kill Red, as much as they may fight and she may feel like she hates him, she cares and trusts him, as she's said it many times. Like in "Luther Braxton Part 1" and in the auction one

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  34. I think we can trust Red is doing what is best for Liz, or at least what he thinks is best. I am not one who believes he always tells the truth. At the very least he answers selectively... Like how responded when Liz asked how he first learned about Tom.

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  35. If nothing else, he is the most liked character on the show, and while it would be a twist to turn him pure villain, the audience wouldn't accept.

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  36. Which episode did Red respond how he first learned about Tom? Seems to me he, like you said, "responds selectively" which, to me, means he does not lie to Liz yet he often doesn't answer her which is a way of not lying. As far as her feelings towards Red - yes, she has said she cares about him. I think that until episode 16 she did but she's so alone in a way - she has no dad, no trustworthy husband & now we know there's a mole in the group (all main characters have to be alone like Harry Potter losing Dumbledore etc.)...I don't think Red has to be pure villian to have Liz kill him but Liz knows a fraction of the murders Red has done, and altho' we have been led to believe that many had a valid reason but...that lady who took the chip out of Red's neck? That was sad how Red killed her etc. It's just the 'rightness' part of Liz - I don't know how it'll happen; maybe Red will insist she kill him or it'll happen some other way but it's the only way I can see this series ending. [Regarding Red missing his appointment with Caul to help Liz - that's not nec. love. Red wants something & sometimes has to make judgment calls. In this case he believed he'd hook up with Caul another time, another way which is what happened...]

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  37. It was the episode after she first learns about Tom (the one with the music box). He says something to the affect of "after he bought two passports through one of my connections." That may be when he knew Tom was working for someone else, but it certainly isn't when he first "learned" about Tom. He could argue it's not technically a lie, but eh...

    He will do what he has to to make sure she is protected and/or his relationship with her survives.

    I think his feelings for Liz are true though. He prefers her to stay safe at the expense of himself (the earl king episode). He held her hand in the hospital when there was no one to put a show on for etc.

    Red is certainly not a "good" guy, but I do think he has some sort of redemptive purpose in the Blacklist as was alluded to in the pilot and analog Garrick. I don't think Liz could or would kill him. Her character is barely tolerable now. They can't make her legacy THAT terrible. Lol

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  38. Lol. Thank you for saying that. :)


    And I very much appreciate the help...

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  39. I don't think she is already on the show because I can't think of any female character that could be her mother. Do you think it's possible that her mother is already a character on the show?

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  40. Oh, one thing I have noticed is there have been less indiscriminate kills on Red's part as the series has gone on. In the pilot, he is more Hannibal Lector... in the first season we saw more of the barely justified killing (like the chip lady) (In real life, I don't think any killing is justified. LOL). I think it has been a little revisionist on the writers part. Red has become so liked by the audience, and the more time goes on, the more of a traditional anti-hero he becomes. In the end, they want people to watch the show. People don't want Spader to be the "bad" guy.

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  41. I agree. I don't think the fans of the show would want Red to ever be the "bad guy". He is too enjoyable to watch as his current character.

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  42. Poor Liz. She can never win.

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  43. I totally agree with Ashley that Red has toned down. I think it started with Samuel Aleko where Red offered to save Aleko's brother.


    Also, when you say, Ashley, that: "I think his feelings for Liz are true though. He prefers her to stay safe at the expense of himself (the earl king episode). He held her hand in the hospital when there was no one to put a show on for etc." - you got me. Too true.

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  44. there are a few most notably Mr Kaplan who turns out to be named Kate and in Katherina, same hair color and general build, does plastic surgery and you have something. For a second there I was thinking on Leonard's boss, right age group and was focused on finding Red after he was shot taking eyes of Liz and Leonard.She is hooked in intel and that gives her supervision of all if none can tell it is her. People seem to be looking for either an exact match facially or a Russian Spy, doubtful she would be much of a spy if she could be recognized that easily, She is Kaiser Soze if she is the lady they think is her mother. There is always that possibility that Rostova is not Liz's real name either as in she could have been taken as an infant and then taken by Red as a child to get her away from Katerina. Seems a bit like at the fire it was Liz and not the Fulcrum people were arguing about, Katerina took Masha away from her so called father in what could have been a custody battle of sorts. On the day of the fire no thought of the device is seriously taken as the bubble memory chip is in Masha's bunny and she is hiding in a closet. You do not see a case in that scene. It seems Masha is what the fight is about. and then there is that mark on her hand like one half of a Russian seal or an R or a K turned into a griffin . Who marks their own child this way? No one. We saw earlier slavers mark their property but in general people do not do such a thing and Liz said her father gave her that mark so it would be save to think her so called mother would be upset about Masha's care and want to get her away. Red steps in when thing go kablooey and hide Masha in the states, Nebraska where no one is looking, alters her DNA and her memory as well, and then turns criminal much like liz just did. The Cabal turned on Liz in a second and most likely did the same to Red as well. This is what he meant by learning what a true enemy looked like. His friends and his country turned on him not the other way around. If you have watched the cases so far, Red does not create the problems, he merely takes advantage of them and in that way the Cabal keeps building Red's myth as a super criminal. They will do the same to Liz at this point, foolish as that may be. The difference being whoever her so called parents were they thought enough of finding her to permanently mark her meaning they will intercede if possible and like you saw with the Kings, so too will anyone looking to make a buck. There is still some one in Johannesburg with a 42 million dollar price on Red's head. I imagine Masha's price tag will be much higher.

    But yes, assuming mom is a super spy she lives in the area and is watching them both.

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  45. He is her Red taking the heat off her when he can and protecting her when she allows him. I call him Jacob because there is another Tom in the series and to remind me there are other Phelps in the series as well. But if you mean I am certain it will be Jacob and not Ressler that Liz ends up with, I am not certain but I am not certain how Mada hari like they want to make Katerina or Liz for that matter. Yes that makes Red into James Bond and begs the question will she want the seemingly good boy or the seemingly bad one. There is still the possibility Ressler is a mole. There is also the possibility Tom works for Liz's father who may not be dead.

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  46. The Director might and said as much as he thinks it will not blow back on him. Red is betting the rest of the group will not agree and kill the Director first. I just find it stupid to miss the forest for the trees. Liz was important enough to hide all these years and now she is Public Enemy #1 meaning the entire world will be asking why. WHy leads back to the Fulcrum and the Cabal. Sends mock ups of NY Times to each member of the Cabal wrapped around a piece of Jasper.

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  47. It makes sense as she is not supposed to be stupid and this has been going on for months. Also Red's place does not look like the home of a man. It looks like red is staying sometimes at the Mom's hide out.

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  48. If there's the basic premise that Red does not lie to Liz then, since she asked him point blank, "Are you my father?" And he answered, "No, I'm not" that we must understand that Red is not Liz's father. Maybe an uncle?

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  49. The breakfast scene with Tom

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  50. You could call Tom "Tom" and the other Tom "Connely" that's how differentiate between them. But why would you even entertain the idea of Tom and Liz after ALL he's done to her?

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  51. Yes, but i don't think it will be in a romantic way...there might be something else to do for him. What about The German, or The Major still hot on his heels? I can't imagine Liz falling for a stranger & him goofing around about getting naked on a boat, was not cool. I mean what he did to her, can't never be undone, no matter what she did to him...he can sail of alone, redeem himself for all he hurt. Left Meera's kids without a mother, The harbour daughter without a father....Hurt innocent people just to survive. Selfish.

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  52. I see you're p.o.v. and in parts i am in agreement, i've done some research regarding the names/origins. http://hestia-prytaneum.tumblr.com/post/117191121865/the-meaning-of-name-masha-and-origin-russian


    Liz could very well inherit an underground/dark empire for all we know, but one thing is clear to me..Red is not her father. The notion of how/why he should be is a loss for me. I con't see their connection in that light, nor can i disregard the numerous clues that he simply can't be her father - not even taking the age difference in consideration, or the fact that he was fresh out of the academy when she was born, because that is meaningless to me.


    I watch the performance on screen, follow all the clues, try to decipher why the writers would write a scene a certain way, how the camera focuses on aspect left open for interpretation, the monologues, touches, It is all a chess game, a puzzle/maze and Red's/Liz's complicated relationship is being shuffled around, pieces that don't always fit. Fluid. Being related by a DNA connection would be disappointing, easily classifiable and redundant in my eyes. I mean the majority already believes in this...what's the fun in that? Now it is much more interesting to see what it is Right Now, What it could turn into... What are their interest in each other? Why in spite of everything that has happened between them good/bad do they have this compulsion for one another? what makes their connection indestructible?....Is it platonic? Romantic? Paternal? Something else entirely? What are the feelings they have for each other, but neither can/will express directly? That is what i find interesting..The reason now. It is more than just tit for that. More than Partners, CI...


    I hope for season 03.
    1) The task force is completely dismantled - Identity
    2) Relationship change and morph into something else - Loyalty
    3) Liz's real mum turns out to be the new Big Bad - because it has been a while since we had a kickass female villain - Brimstone
    4) ANSWERS - and a better balanced season 03.

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  53. Skimmed the blog as my research would have taken Masha through Tsar Nicholas as that is his eldest daughter's name and she like Anastasia was presumed missing until 1990 confirmed otherwise. I also looked into War and Peace and found Masha is the sister of the Prince Natasha does not marry but does tend to in the end. Then took a step back and thought Mata Hari who had a custody battle over he daughter long before being considered a spy. Jumping from fact to fiction she was supposedly a Bond girl and in that fiction the daughter was Bond's.

    The reason why the father thing keeps coming up is the Jennifer, Zoe, Masha, Decemberist thing in which all three seem to be taken away and raised in hiding until now. Even Berlin is confused by the fact his daughter is alive. Note the awkward silence when Liz asks Red if he loved her mother. No denial just crickets and a change of subject.


    And hate to point this out but the show has maybe 2 seasons left in it or it is messed up.

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  54. the reason it keeps coming up is because their pasts are intertwined and it is the most obvious connection-It has been about the children/daughters/identity/loyalty since the pilot. Every storyline is connection. The fact that Red won't tell her about her mother..may have been more about his feelings/connection to Lizzie and not her actual mum. How would that have worked back in 1984? I don't take silence as conformation, not on this show. He doesn't want her to know everything, because he wants to be in her life...i mean she is already in grave danger, so the need to protect her is invalid at this point and the writers are out of ideas on how not to tell Lizzie, so Red just choses silence instead.


    I've been talking about the lifespan about this show a lot, it all depends on the balance in season 03. But for now i think 4 seasons would be more than enough, James's contract will be up for grabs next season and even though the expected lifespan is 6 seasons, when the show goes into syndication, i want to either be bought by Netflix or HBO. It would do much better there than on NBC. It should be Rated-R - Honestly i am looking forward to the comic. I want to see how far TPTB are willing to go with the show.

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  55. Short and to the point:
    1 It keeps coming up because there is more than one girl in this tale and one of them is supposed to be Red's daughter. It has nothing to do with lives intertwining as Red dumped Liz on Sam and stayed clear until Liz left Nebraska for New York. (Enters Jacob Phelps). Goes through conversation in last show about Raymond back in the 80's being seen as top threat to Soviet intelligence so most likely he visited area often. Caterina apparently a bit of a ghost would be powerless to protect her daughter from her husband. Most likely needed leverage as a way out and there was Ray and the Fulcrum. ALso from the last show Jacob clues in the audience and Liz to look for the silence as a sign of fear or that you have hit upon a sore spot. That is why Red's silence is awkward, as in he lies for a living and yet on this subject dead air. Personally I would have had Liz refer to Red as Daddy form that moment on if only to get him to tell her everything. Imagine the look on his face the next time he tells a dirty joke and she says "Oh Daddy, I can not take you anywhere." He would be livid.

    2 The date of 2017 is the point at which all cards get placed on the table. It is the year of Arms talks between the US and Russia in which actions must be taken. It is coincidentally the 100 anniversary of the Russian Revolution. It is also the year Fitch talked about and which Red believes the Director wants to move ahead on but to do that he has to create tensions between the two countries now. This makes sense because from a how standpoint you want the problem solved with talks underway and nuclear bombs on the table. You want it known who is profiting and how and you want it seen how to make this all work out for the better.

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  56. haha - give me an oh daddy scene.
    1) You got me all wrong, but that is your take on it. Exactly his silence is a tell, but what did he want to tell? why did it hit a sore spot? normally you'll see an eye-twitch. This time just a blank, semi annoyed stare.


    2) 2017, is also when the secrets of JFK's shooting are revealed by the CIA, but then again on this show it could be right on the nose, or completely off. They did push the date forward, now it is 2015/16 or maybe the writers are just making stuff up as they go along and we are the obsessive ones.


    Btw, did you see the new previews? Apparently Sam had a criminal history and Masha/Liz has sinned.

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  57. At the point that this became my take on things and me getting you all wrong I read a shut up as there is no meeting of the minds possible or so I infer. not sure the statement as to the order or scenes allowed for interpretation but perhaps if people want to go a different way vocal enough then anything is possible.

    As for JFK, this arc may or may not have been taken from an original frame work that implies older information involved but Kennedy is 1963 and when you look on the fulcrum the stories start about 1980's and Reagan.


    As for Sam we knew that in the pilot as Sam was the only father Liz knew she had and it freaked her out to find out Red knew her history.

    As for sins that is a metaphor for the Cabal and for Caterina not Liz as it is easy to see how the Cabal turned Red into a criminal to destroy his credibility and he used it to hide the facts of what exactly happened that Xmas. It is a Dostoyevsky allusion from the Brothers Karamasov. The sins of the world are being placed on one person in this case Red, implying that there is an architect to this situation and I doubt it is the Cabal or Caterina either.

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  58. To be honest, TPTB pick and choose what information is ,valid from the pilot and onwards and what has changed since then. For example: In the pilot it was heavenly suggested that Red was talking about her bio-dad and not Sam in particular because he included her bio-mum which she knew nothing about either. At least we can assume that. [What have you learned about Sam? he asked Lizzie later on the plane] It could explain her slide of hand/mysterious petty crime past, but Sam has never abandoned her, hence my confession now. I hope it will be explained later in 222 or season 03.

    Furthermore Red was suppose to have tattoos and no scars, now he has scars and presumably no tattoos. This is just one of many aspect of the show TPTB spin to fit the fluid story/myth arc. In the pilot, Red's daughter was dead, this was semi acknowledged in season 01 when he blew his old home up [bubblegirl] and told Madeline Pratt about coming home to a house full of blood. Yet later on we learn about Carla/Jennifer. alive and breathing. So as far for open/changing story lines go, The Blacklist can go either way and turn back to 'fix' certain problems.

    I am not sure that the sin part that Red absorbed from Lizzie is necessarily a foil for the Cabal, rather something she may have done in the past. [Maybe she was responsible for the fire, or it could be about her mum] He protects her/tries to keep her soul pure by doing the things she is incapable of doing [kill for example] He doesn't want to taint her more than he already has and is terribly conflicted because of his need to want her close and the need to keep her safe. The two doesn't always go hand in hand, otherwise he would have told her everything om day 01. Red is afraid of losing Lizzie, this is selfish on his part, but admirable.

    The JFK arc, i brought up because of . A) When Fitch asked Red about the Fulcrum, he also said that he has been married for 51 years and counting back it came to 1963 and the CIA declared to release classified information in 2017. B) The Fulcrum case Red found in the presidential carHence the thoughts about conspiracy's. And of course your point is valid as well. I find it very interesting that we both did research and came to different conclusions. It works together.

    What i find strange up to this point, is that the Fulcrum is not as important as it was made out to be. The information is old and mostly unusable, so trying to restore the Détente was a waste of time. Why did it keep Red safe all these years? Why were people willing to kill/die for it? Why aren't they willing to kill Liz instead of going through the trouble of framing her? In my eyes, it makes no sense...yet.

    Oh i think Red is the chess master, the knight protecting his Queen ;) But i like to see The Blacklist as a giant maze or a puzzle, missing a lot of pieces. Not even the writers have figured out how it all fits together. I mean i was highly disappointed when they Revealed Zoe, The stew maker girl, it did not fit the timeline and in hindsight, TPTB acknowledged that she was suppose to be someone else at first.The same with the numbers on Red's list. There is a pattern to the madness.



    You too! I am looking forward to it! I have three wishes. 1) Destroy the Task force, let it burn and fall apart, i would love to see them work around the system more in season 03.
    2) Red and Lizzie left on amicable terms.
    3) Answers, answers, answer - more questions.

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  59. A sociopath who was turned into a non-sociopath that has loyalty, God can he get any worse!

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