I honestly think this was one of the worst finales in recent memories. Last time Dean tried to kill Death was in season 5 and the scythe got so hot he couldn't even full do it. So how is it possible now? Also wouldn't killing Death means that the whole cycle kinda dies?
I really want to slap Sam straight across this face for unleashing this terrible evil that is going to plague him, his brother, and the world next season. But, at least, the Mark of Cain story is finally resolved.
Wasn't that thrilled about this finale it was pretty good but I thought it was going to be able to top the season 5 finale it might of did in several peoples minds but for me I wasn't like Oh my god I can't believe that. I still love this show though.
Holy shit, I called that the darkness would escape when Death mentioned it but THAT WAS SO MUCH WORSE THAN I EXPECTED. And that gave me OUAT flashbacks, ngl.
And is Dean Death now that he killed Death? Or are things going to be screwed up there? And thank God the annoying Mark of Cain is now (technically) over.
Badly paced, inconsistent. Tired of the codependency between the brothers. Why was Castiel kept away from Dean the entire episode? What's the point of killing Death. Can we please stop using slurs like bitch, slut, whore etc it's 2015 okay. Why is Crowley not dead yet? Really boring and anticlimactic for a finale. Expected more. The episode felt flat and more like a midseason finale. Carver should not write the big episodes, he's clearly better with fillers (he used to be one of my fave writers).
I love that they'll be fighting a real evil and not some BS pansy villain like Metatron or the letdown Dean as a demon. It reminded me of Azazel and early Lillith days. We had to have a "big bad" or villain next season. Did you want them to hunt puppies?
The random case in the beginning felt out of place and just took up unnecessary screen time that could have been filled with something more relevant. Again, what's the point of killing Death? A LOT of retconning in this episode, as usual, which is sad because it feels sometimes like the writers have given up on the show.
In season 5 Death said that one day God would die....so if God can die then death being able to die is not that big of a stretch. Angels are immortal/ mortal.....they have the potential to live forever but can be killed with the correct weapon.
I'm ready for a legit evil and none of those corporate America villains they been fighting for a few seasons now. I called it on death, but overall I give it a B on the finale.
I refuse to believe Death is dead. I cannot stand knowing he won't pop up randomly. Sam had me tearing up. I despise Rowena and how she makes fools out of the King of Hell and a full Angel that has his grace back. I'm glad the MOC is gone and evil is released. When that smoke started rolling all I could see was Devil's Trap and Jus in Bello. The guys will have a united enemy next season instead of dealing with one of each other's issues. Just like they had in Azazel, Lillith, Lucifer etc... This was not the greatest finale ever but it had some really great moments and some wonderful acting.
Speaking of Metatron....he has the demon tablet and disappeared. That storyl ine is still open. But what exactly 'the darkness' will mean is an interesting question. Also there is the powered up version of Rowena that is now on the loose. Season 11 has a lot of new problems.
I actually believed, up until the last 10 minutes, that this was this was really good, considering. I was enoying it. Dean's behavior was really frightening, we finally got some true lore about the mark, and a conversation about co-dependency that felt genuine for the first time in forever.
But then, Dean killed Death, and I realized I was just being trolled the whole time.
Codependency will truly be the end of this show. They didn't even bother to explain why Dean decided to forget all possible consequences and his previous words to Sam even though they were all completely true. The message was clearly just "The Winchesters must survive whatever the cost". So we got the lamest ending in a Supernatural finale, with the incredibly predictable Rowena spell being cast at the last minute, and the brothers reenacting Sacrifice's last scene as if this was supposed to impress me. I'm sure some good people will die because the darkness has been released, but hey, as long as the brothers are here to fight it, who gives a crap right ?
Rowena's still alive, and no one in the writer's room is questioning the show's morality, which is starting to become unbearable for me.
I expected nothing from this finale, yet it managed to be extremely disappointing. Well done I guess.
WOW! Not sure what to think. Need time to process. Who takes Death's role? Can you kill Death? I really don't think so. Could Cas kill Crowley or Crowley Cas? I was so worried about all of them the whole time. My only complaint was that Rowena survived. I'm sure the usual people will whine about the usual stuff but I don't care I thought it was great and can't wait or Season 11. Great job guys!!
They really need to do what OUAT does. Have 1 season basically be two and finish the story in the half way mark . Because their story telling is terrible atm and is almost completely forgettable.
Remember the Mother of All? How she got killed basically instantly with absolutely 0 interaction with either Dean or Sam?
I don't think Death is dead-dead, because I really don't think it's possible to stop or kill Death.
My guess is that (sadly) this version of Death is gone and a new one emerges. Death/Rebirth sort of thing, which probably means new actor/new personality.
Not just that the demons as well. They been writing their bad guys in this mold lately. Business suits in all. I hate we lost Death, but im glad for the change up.
Yeah, I hate how Dean suddenly was willing to hell with the major consequences due to his co-dependent bond with Sam. In this situation, the greater good outweighed that bond. I wish Supernatural would have the guts Being Human had when they had one character kill another who he was close with for the greater good.
Some great parts, some clunky parts. I'm mostly excited because it seems like they left off with no reason for Sam and Dean to be fighting each other next year, but instead can be united against a big evil.
lol rowena is amazing and scary and gorgeous. i hope cas puts his blade deep into crowley's heart and kills him off once and for all. he's been on for too long. he's nothing but bad one-liners and a boring character taking up screen time for other more interesting things.
this is supernatural though. they don't keep track of what some other writer wrote five seasons ago. they don't keep track of what they wrote two episodes ago. they don't give a shit. retcon is how they do it
Okay . . . I was not a fan of the "Fan Fiction" episode so I didn't need to hear that girl singing "Carry On My Wayward Son." Thankfully, they cut her off and started playing the real song. Now, onto the finale . . . .
I don't have much to say. I thought it was very uneventful and lackluster given all the hype. I thought the entire landscape of the show was supposed to change. Bringing Purgatory to Earth would be changing the landscape. Letting Dean kill Sam would have changed the landscape. This is just another situtation that will likely be downplayed by 11x01. Remember the falling angels. Remember Dean gong to Purgatory. Nothing came of those stories, and I doubt anything good will come of this "darkness" plot.
Castiel seems incredibly weak to me lately. What is that about? I thought he was supposed to be really powerful, but he is useless lately.
Dean's rampage or his succumbing to the Mark was just too much for me. That should have been laid out all season, not crammed into one episode. The bad writing and poor pacing made the entire arc less urgent in my mind. Everything was ramped up for this one episode.
I did like the point when Sam gave up the fight and said whatever he did to Dean. That was a sweet scene.
I assume in season 5 the scythe got so hot because Death saw it coming and made it so Dean couldn't wield it. It only worked now because Death thought it was being used to take out Sam. It only works because it was in one sweeping motion, there was no time for Death to realize Dean wasn't going to deliver.
THIS EPISODE WAS INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CANNOT BELIEVE DEAN KILLED DEATH!!!!!!!!!! WHOA THE DARKNESS IS WAY WORSE THAN I THOUGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the last scene with Castiel and Crowley is scaring the crap out of me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Season 11 (AMAZING!!!!!) i need you now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am happy to say that the season finale did not disappoint me. My favorite part of it WAS Death. But SERIOUSLY???? This is how it's gonna be now?? Towards the "end of the series" they want to kill everybody who was ever important? Leaving what? Sam and Dean to ride it out til the actual series finale??? UGH!!! I'm so pissed!! On top of that I get jipped for not seeing if Castiel killed Crowley, and not only that, Rowena is STILL alive!!! I wanted that bitch out of my life!!! You get rid of Death, one of the most awesomest characters ever in this series, and keep this whiny, red-headed witch bitch???? Give me a break!!! WTF!!!
I liked the scenes with Sam and Dean, but they annoyed me at the end. Like okay, they back into a ditch, they sit and stare watching The Darkness out of fear, I get that. However, if you think you're both about to die, couldn't I get a last hurrah? Some sort of, "I love you bro." Something! Other than Sam screaming, "Dean!! Dean!!" Cause really, it's like, what the hell was Dean going to do?? He's screwed just like you. Smh.
Anyways, yeah I liked it. It wasn't "Awesome" a bit slow actually, well very slow, but it was enough to keep me entertained b/c the season DID NOT! And I'm actually passionate enough to write this "lengthy" comment. Which I haven't bothered to do since the 200th episode. So with that said, I BEG that season 11 is way better. And if it's going to be the last (I wouldn't be opposed to it), I hope it goes out with a bang.
I'm sure Carver will give them a reason to be at odds. Dean will probably blame the "darkness" on Sam for still pursuing a cure. And Rowena has the "codex," so that will be blamed on the Sam.
Carver can't let a season go by w/the boys NOT at odds w/each other.
Yeah . . . when Sam was calling Dean's name like that, I had the same reaction as you. I literally said, "What do you want Dean to do? He can't fix this." Haha!
What a horrible piece of crap. This must have been the writer's meeting. "You know the one interesting and compelling character we have left, Death!" "Yeah!" "We should retcon it so he becomes some evil manipulative jerk, and then get him to convince Dean that Sam needs to die then him and Death will ride off in a spaceship!" "You're losing me." "But then through the power of love and family, Dean with kill Death!" "Wait! Deaths gonna die, that seems.... dumb!" "No no no! It's perfect Death will die, he'll go out like a little girl without even putting up a fight." "Ok, then what?" "Then we break out that old ass CGI demon smoke stuff, and we have them all swirl together into one big scary medium grey cloud!" "What should we call this medium grey cloud?" "DARKNESS!" "Wait shouldn't it be black?" "STFU we're running out of money! Anyway this big scary cloud will come rushing at Sam and Dean!" "This sounds familiar... Oh yeah, the Devil's Gate episode. Where they opened the gates of hell and a giant black cloud came out!" "God dammit can you just shut up, the stories really flowing here!"
That was some seriously poor storytelling and writing. I know I didn't fall asleep in the middle of this episode so I couldn't have missed the explanation of how Crowley just happened to come across the only person ever in existance who was the necessary third part of the spell. It was just plain dumb luck that Crowley walks into a diner to meet Seth who just happens to be Oscar? How did Crowley even know that Seth was really Oscar. This has been a problem for a couple of seasons now. Plot points are picked out of thin air with no rhyme or reason. Then to justify these plot points, details are crammed into the episode to back up these poorly thought out ideas. There are no details cleverly revealed through the season so that the story can be built up in a satisfactory way.
Now out of no where (once again with little explanation) the Darkness becomes the next threat. This upcoming storyline proves that the showrunners just aren't learning from their mistakes. Supernatural used to be about two brothers who pledged to fight the evil that destroyed their family and threatened others. That evil came in the forms of demons, ghosts, vampires, witches, etc. In seasons 1-5, the stories were told and built upon with a touchstone of reality weaved through to make the strangest of situations relatable to the viewers. Supernatural has become too big ... too vague and it's causing the stories to be incoherent and repetitive. All the other shows have a plan of what is to transpire throughout the next season and how the writers plan to get there. Carver instead throws out stories and then tries to backtrack with the details and causes a huge mess in the process.
Once last thought, can we never ... ever again have the season finale opening where there is a pitchy solo that proceeds Carry On.
I thought it was random Crowley found Oscar as well, but he said a hamster told him, the hamster being the leader of the coven that Rowena turned instead of killing.
Crowley said he learned about Oscar from the hamster. That's why he was scouting out the diner in the previous episode. It's been hinted for weeks that Sam would unleash some great evil by using the book of the damned.
Seriously ... the witch hampster told Crowley. Why would Rowena tell a woman she loathed and didn't trust something so intensely personal. It makes no sense.
Haha . . . That was a old movie cliche that has always bothered me. In a crazy situation, one character will call the other's name like the other can do something about the crazy situation when he/she usually can't. Haha! My mind always sarcastically thinks, "What do you want X to do about it?" LOL :-)
Okay, so the hamster squealed. :) I think it's another example though of how strange, out of the blue details are shoved in the episode to support the story after the fact. It just happens the witch hamster told Crowley about the one person in all of existance who turns out to be the third key part of the spell Rowena cast to remove the MoC. How did she know about Rowena's "nephew" Oscar? There needs to be more of a build-up and explanation than a simple throw away line that Crowley mutters under his breath.
yes why cant we voice are Opinion if we do not watch that much of the show I watch the season F and did not watch the whole season but this SF was ok not good the whole season was not good but we can't all have good season's
(Letting Dean kill Sam would have changed the landscape.) That was a big no no for me. That pretty much would of killed the show landscape for me personally. But the rest I 100% agree with you on. The pacing been a issue big time and the writing. Like some said, I would hope they get more imaginative next season with this new thing. The sky is the limit. Now will they explorer or settle in their comfort zone of bogus fillers? I'm gonna go in with a clear head, but Im glad this season is done.
When encouraging Dean to kill Sam Death said "To be what you are, to become what you've become, is a stain upon their memory.", but I think Dean realized looking at his mother's photo, that to stain their memory would be killing his brother. Sam and Dean are suppose to protect each other. The one running thread through the series that gets them through everything is "Family above all."
It was emphasized right from the start in the first season finale, that family meant more than taking the demon down. It's almost nice counting on that, even when the writers like to throw wrenches in the mix and have them fighting or up against something terrible, they will ALWAYS choose each other. It's the reason I'm still watching the show, that connection.
I like finale but it was a bit predictable for me. May be I have to stop reading spoilers. Otherwise I am glad boys will have something big a supernatural to fight next season, not cartoonish leviathans with big teeth or tattoo. I just wish they make darkness not looking like bunch of overcharged demons. They could come up with some other cool think, not just a boring black smoke.
the guts ended with the season 5 finale when same was actually locked away in the pit and looking back that wouldve been a great way to end the show. Almost every season after that has been terrible
Right??? Like that bothered me. Dean didn't even turn his way, I mean that should've given Sam the big clue right there that they were screwed, but nooo Sam yelled his name again, like that would do something. I had to Facepalm in the moment. Lol
Umm, no? It's not "women." It's one woman, a fictional character, that actually IS a bitch. If you don't like it, then don't read my comment. And this is Supernatural honey, you should be used to it by now. Get over it.
Yes, the hamster squealed, haha. This one doesn't actually bother me because no one trusts Rowena, so I don't have a problem believing that Crowley and the hamster have been busy for a while now digging up dirt to use against her.
After sitting through that, my only thought is of concern for the writers, I fear they may have caught some terrible brain-eating fungus, or some kind of rare skull weevils. I am concerned.
That's totally understandable. My problem is why do we (the viewers) have to fill in the missing blanks in the story by guessing what may have happened. Shouldn't it be the writers who lay out the details of the story in a complete and coherent manner?
Umm, I'm a woman, I'm not offended. She's been watching this show for ten years, hellooo you're on a public website that fans have said A LOT worse about characters, man or woman, if she can't handle the "B" word, which in this day and age is like saying "Damn", then maybe she shouldn't be on any public sites if she's going to be so sensitive over an evil witch. I mean how old are you 8?? Give me a break. Smh
I'm so happy that Sam saved Dean in every sense of the word and that Dean could overcome the Mark for the love of his little brother. Really, really loved it.
SO good. Sam and Dean choosing each other over everything and everyone will ALWAYS make me happy! Rowena was excellent, I'm thrilled the Mark is finally gone, and I'm super excited about Sam and Dean working TOGETHER to set things right next season. Can't wait!
It was awesome! Sam&Dean chose each other like they always will. The brothers are now united, fighting evil together with Baby. It's the Supernatural I love. Jared & Jensen blew me away!
What was even the point of this season? They not only double-undid all the character development of s8, but repeated the ridiculous "I'd rather condemn the entire planet than let you get hurt this one time (as opposed to all those other times I've specifically, deliberately hurt you before" mistakes of s8's finale, but WORSE. I wish I had any faith left in SPN to make The Darkness a truly terrifying force or at least something I could CARE about, but I made that mistake with the Leviathan, and I can't bring myself to make it again.
"We're not evil, we're good!" they say as they willfully unleash a force so destructive it took God and all the archangels to fight it back YEAH OKAY
Why are we still pretending the Winchesters are the good guys?
Hahahaha you know what?? I wish the writers would be so bold as to do that. I'm going to be honest here, when they couldn't get out of that ditch, iI actually thought they could get killed with The Darkness coming at them (it would be very interesting then again who are we kidding.) but that was a second thought. My only worry is, when season 11 starts, if The Darkness was just some "dust" over the car, and the car saved them I'm going to be mega pissed. That would be soooo lame. I want the car to be up in a tree and crushed so badly. Yet somehow the boys survive. LOL
Killing Death was absolutely unnecessary *sigh*. I thought it was badly paced and some clunky dialogues. Carver should really pray to his lucky star to have Jensen and Jared, because it was because of them that the brotherly moment was really good. NOT the text.
On the amazing side, THE MARK OF CAIN STORYLINE IS OVER!!!!!! This can't be said enough. REJOICE, PEOPLE, REJOICE!!!!! *champagne time* *happy dance*
I like the finale the boys will have a common enemy in season 11. I think that the only reason Rowena kept that deal to save Dean is because with the mark he would have been a threat to her. I also think Rowena and the book of the damned is not a good thing. I am sure there are other earth ending spells in that book. I also think that that book may bind darkness making it Rowena's slave.
Okay, the writers of OUAT and Supernatural have to stop sharing an office, or move out of the old Lost one!!!!! Thanks, now we have to wait till October to see if Cas kills Crowley, or if Crowley will save him. Now my whole summer will be me wondering what will happen lol Not as heart wrenching as all the writers, actors, and fans had made it out to be Neither Sam or Dean die! In fact no one dies... Only Charlie! Wow! A SPN first! So now Rowena is extremely powerful and steals the BOTD as well as the codex. Metatron has the demon tablet... Ohhhh this is going to spell trouble in season 11!! Rowena's past was a little bit rushed, I really couldn't keep up with what was being said..... Something about she leaves her child, becomes a begger, is taken in by a Polish family, falls in love with the child, the child grows ill, she gives him immortality, he is a waiter named Seth, WTF???? We get all this in one scene and yet we never find out why she leaves Fergus???? Why was it so easy for her to put an attack dog spell on an angel??? He should have been able to counter it! Why is there blood coming from his eyes? Is the spell melting his brain? HE'S A BLOODY ANGEL!!!! He got his grace back, so why??????? It has been so unclear since he got his grace back as to what he can and can't do! But I am pretty sure that if he can look into a person's soul, heal people of their ailments, and still fight, then surely he should not succumb to a witch's power! I am so glad to see that the mark of Cain is gone and that Dean will finally be back to his old self. The MOC story was getting rather old
It's 2015, everyone is a delicate little snowflake that need their hands held.
Let's forget about the context of who the characters are/what's driving them "bitch" is just too mean, should have called her a "bad, bad meanie" instead.
Dean and Sam used to help people. Now all they do is cling onto each other like whiny babies. I expected more for Dean's arc. They allowed him to grow for a a few episodes, then dragged him back on the mud. The best part of the episode was Dean solving the case alone. Worst part was woobie!Sam once again needing to be saved. This show only panders to Sam fans and brodependency types. As a Dean fan, can't say I'll be coming back next year.
Well, that happened. The only part I liked was watching Dark!Dean. The rest of it -- pfft. I am so sick of the show pounding the 'family theme.' I am sick of the brothers are apart the whole season and a big bro-moment at the end to bring them back together. Cas, Crowley, and Rowena was an absolute borefest again.
After ten years of faithful live viewing, I don't think I'll be back next season.
There is no reason to return next season. Season 10 put the final nail on the coffin. Wasted potential. All they do is make progress only to set the brothers back again. These writers have no idea how to write a truly compelling show.
And nonsensically, that acceptance of the very thing Dean set out to do was enough to make him change his mind and ruin everything...again...exactly like 8.23.
1) Rowena was not a beggar. She was hurt and that family was kind and nursed her back to health. 2) Angels are vulnerable to all kinds of spells. Humans can banish angels with spells. Metatron with no grace used a spell to hurt Castiel.
True. I was actually kind of hoping Dean would slash Sam. I could have sworn I read that this finale was supposed to change the whole landscape of the show. Of course, Sam would come back, but I guess I wanted to see something new.
The MOC sl was a waste of time ,they did nothing with it apart from Dean killing people who deserved it . They need Dean to be the hero too much to of done the sl true justice and now Dean kills Death basically for Sam it is getting ridiculous ,
Sam and Dean didn't choose each other over everything. Sam and Dean chose "Not Remembering That The Mark Can And WAS Removed Entirely By A Hexbag Thirteen Episodes Ago" over everything.
Hmmm . . . I'm a brother fan, and I still didn't care for the finale. I, of course, don't mind the brothers saving each other, but this whole scenario wasn't executed very well. And that's probably b/c no thought was actually put into the story until whenever Carver sat down to pen this finale.
Gentle reminder that the Mark of Cain was cured entirely a few episodes ago by a single hexbag. All this fuss over the cure, The Darkness, Death, was all because Sam and Dean (ie the writers) have a terrible memory, no plan, and just don't care at all.
I guess I could have accepted it b/c: (1) Dean would have been under the influence of the MOC and (2) it would have been the most interesting thing (IMO of course) to happen this year. For me, this season has been quite boring.
Loved this episode!!! I signed up for the Sam & Dean relationship 10 yrs ago, so anything additional is always a plus for me. Loved the dynamic of Dean telling "Sammy" to close his eyes so he could kill him. That was positively creepy! Never doubted Dean's love for his little brother; I knew in my heart he would not kill him. I only wish that the show would wrap up the Cas and Crowley storylines. They've become a bit bland, and I am tired of useless series regulars being kept around for the sake of fan service. The amount of episodes they were in was ridiculous. The season was ill-paced in general. Each of them were in 12+ episodes and their stories could have legitimately been placed into half of that. Anyway, the actors always salvage the bad storylines, (Jared, Jensen, MIsha, Mark, Ruth). I loved the Darkness, it looks epic and AWESOME. Loved Sam calling out for Dean in the end as though he expected his big brother to perform a miracle to save them. INCREDIBLE FINALE!!!
We guessed that right lala. When you have a really bad setup (the way Charlie was killed) and a "monster" Dean who only kills bad guys, there is not much to be expected. Honestly I'm not surprised.
I was a brother fan once ilast season killed it off but I just think the whole co-dependency is being used as a excuse for bad storytelling and even sillier actions .
Apparently I shouldn't have spoken Ill of the "evil character." I should have lied and called her a freaking "beautiful angel". Who loves her son, Crowley, more than anything else in this world. And she killed a boy, Oscar, for the greater good of "saving" Dean's life. But iI'm not a liar and I realized.... Oh but wait, she brought on The Darkness, an incredible evil force, that's going to wipe out all of existence. And before that she got Castiel to kill her son. And that was only in this episode. = /
Wasn't a cure, only a temporary solution. It just changed his body to how it was when he was 16, meaning that when he reached the age when he got the MoC it would return. Like it did when the spell changed him back into a 36-year-old man.
As I saw it, Sam was willing to die . . . he usually is . . . and Dean stopped short of killing him. To me, that is consistent w/Dean's character. He would never kill Sam.
Now, some have asked why Sam didn't call Castiel to stop the spell, but I'm sure Sam was focused on Dean and Dean's insistence that Sam die and that they were evil people. I feel like this finale would have had more impact for me IF it had been built up over the season. For me, one week Dean was fine, and the next he was on a rampage, getting their hunter friends killed for no reason. There was no pacing to this story.
Now, I admit to not paying attn, but did Sam know the codex would wreck the world? I thought he thought it would just cure Dean?
The ones who are negative I would bet are minions who did not get their way. No canon ship for you. I loved the finale. The brothers together in the Impala. Can't wait for season 11.
The codex was just used as a means to help in the translation of the Book of the Damned. It's really just a spellbook, a powerful one, but not world ending powerful.
*sighs heavily* One, you're making rules up (and even if that's how it went...Lucifer still has the Mark, too). Two, Dean and Sam did not know that, did they? Dean and Sam never even mentioned it as an avenue of research. Three, they made this MoC crap up as they went. It's been repeatedly said they make things up as they go.
SO JUST KEEP DEAGING HIM (until he's cool with moving on, and then kill him when he doesn't have the Mark). It's as good as solution as shooting him into space.
When you write comment. expect responses, do not then say 'don't respond'. If you don't want responses just say something like 'just ranting, no need to respond'.
I think they shouldn't have introduce the story line if they wasn't willing to go deeper. They could of took him to the limit, without actually having him kill his brother in the end.
Demon Dean made more sense than people think. Dean still remembered who he was, he didn't have his humanity striped away from centuries of torture.
And at the same time, I mean people got in an uproar because he touched a strippers leg, calling him a sexual predator. I appreciated that it was more nuanced than "I'm demon, I'm gonna kill and screw anyone I want."
I'm not making rules up, regarding objection n°1: Lucifer doesn't have the Mark because he gave it to Cain, unlike Cain who replicated it to Dean. And, regarding 3, it doesn't really matter how the writing process is, as viewers we have to try to make it have sense
Exactly - that's how he knew, but hamsterOlivette thought they were physical lovers. rather than the person Rowena loved most as family .And I would have thought why in the world did Carver/Singer want Sam to pursue this line of research if there was no payoff - good and bad.
Then the fandom would of drilled Dean for not over coming the mark. If Sam can snap out of Lucifer trance why couldn't Dean do the same for the mark argument. In this fandom already get on my nerves at times. lol
I think for the writers the idea sound good, but they got stuck in just did whatever. Which concerns me for next season. If you couldn't work this how are you going to work with what you just introduced.
So, why are ppl saying Sam willfully chose to wreck the world just to save Dean? I don't get that. Again, I admit to not being interested enough to pay close attn to the episode.
Exactly!!! I love them but shit! Give me something that I can be shocked about!! Something that happens so that I Can ACTUALLY worry about them! Sigh. This is why lots of times I want the show to end b/c I feel like they've done everything in the book (and after ten yrs it's not a stretch). I really don't see what they can come up with next season. I feel w/e they do, we've seen it already, (like some have pointed out with this finale), I just hope next season, they kill Metatron, Rowena, and this Darkness w/e it is, b/c I don't want to deal with it the whole season. Give me something that'll impress me.
YES. Demon Dean was Dean without guilt. He didn't care. And that's exactly what a Dean who doesn't care would look like.
Dark!Dean (aka Purgatory Dean, which is what a lot of people wanted, I think) was a Dean who cared too much. He tortured monsters in purgatory because he wanted to find Cas. He tortured souls in Hell because all his pain finally came to a head and he needed a release. He just couldn't take any more.
So it does make sense. I wish we had seen more. But I'm glad we didn't backtrack to it in this finale. Two years of this arc was enough.
Yes, that was implied how it happened. Rowena must have kept track of the cured child after he grew up and Olivette - before she was hamsterized - must have found out about grown Oscar was she was tracking down Rowena.
Les, I don't expect them to work this "darkness" thing into anything good. Carver ruined the set up for Purgatory, Sam, and the Alpha Vamp. He did nothing w/the fallen angels. He bungled, IMO, the MOC and DD. I just can't see how he'll turn the "darkness" into something good.
That said, if ppl are raving about it next year across boards, I might tune in again. This was once my favorite show.
Sam was clear he didn't know the consequences. For god's sake, he agreed with Dean and was hoping to be killed. How some people can't see that is beyond me. To each their own I guess. Countdown for blaming Sam for everything in season 11 starting in 10,9,8...
People like to blame Sam, or think that the writers hate Sam and want people to blame him.
Sam didn't willfully wreck the world, he was willing to take the consequences of using the Book of the Damned, which I doubt he thought would unleash an ancient darkness.
I would have preferred Demon Dean getting cured for the 200th episode. Just a bottle episode set in the Bunker w/ Sam and Dean.
But I'm in the minority in thinking that they handled the MoC fine. It as like season 9, a slow decent. We saw flashes of aggression and Dean trying to control himself by burying himself in food and hunting.
Okay. I know you pay more attn than me (haha), and I didn't recall any scene where it was shown that Sam knew using the BoTD would "damn" the world. But I wanted to make sure b/c my attn span has been low for the show this season but esp. after that tragic nun crap episode, and I thought I had missed something.
That's sometimes a tough line to walk, because then there will criticisms of "telling not showing", or "showing not explaining." Which I've seen plenty of times on this sites gripe reviews, the reviewer will complain that the show is "telling not showing", but then something done subtly like Dean and MoC, especially in season 9, which did a good job of showing Dean subtly becoming more aggressive, "it's not explaining anything,"
This fan base is not anything but predictable. One thing I learn from this fandom is just to watch the show on your on, because some watch for different reasons. What I will do is marathon S11 when it's done. I did this with past seasons in it did help me pay attention better in helped the pacing. That one time a week with these knuckle heads will drain you. lol
I agree, and that's what frustrate me about this regime. They do have ideas but they suck at executing it.
Let's be honset re: the angels, did you really want an entire season of angel BS? I'm frankly happy with how he handled it. Season 9 was definitely more about Sam and Dean's relationship, and used these big ideas of fallen angels roaming the earth and a civil war in Hell, and tied to Sam and Dean in a more intimate manner, with Sam's possession and Dean getting the MoC. Which was more interesting than Sam and Dean running around stabbing angels and demons for an entire season.
There was no scene that said you use the Book of the Damned and the world is doomed. There was just a warning that using it, like all black magic, comes with consequences.
I think it could have been handled better than the way it was. The angel civil war was boring back in S7. The made a huge deal out of the angels falling but did nothing w/it. That was my problem w/that arc.
Ugh, yes, 100 percent agreed on your first point. That's exactly what I had hoped for, and still we wish we got instead. But the 200th was fun at least, so, oh well, I guess...
As far as the MOC goes, I would have liked a little more "show" than "tell" – the urgency that Sam was harping on about all season didn't make sense to me, mainly because we have seen Normal Dean do bad things before. I do agree that Dean's attempts at restraining the Mark (e.g., food and hunting) were well done. The contrast between how he handled it in Season 9 and how he handled it in Season 10 was thoughtful.
I mean hindsight and all that, you could say plenty of things could have been handled better in the first 5 seasons, well maybe not season 4, but season 5 was filled with wheel spinning and though cast perfectly, pretty much dropped the ball with the Horseman.
Before these Carver seasons happened, S5 was my least favorite season.
That was actually the first season where I noticed the filler. Now, I know the prior seasons had filler episodes but they never felt that way to me until S5. I remember much of nothing happening and then suddenly Jo and Ellen were dead. S5 had pacing issues too, and it is not a season I would watch all the way through. S6 was much better than S5, IMO.
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ReplyDeletewoooaaaah. cant wait for season 11 to start.
ReplyDeleteI honestly think this was one of the worst finales in recent memories. Last time Dean tried to kill Death was in season 5 and the scythe got so hot he couldn't even full do it. So how is it possible now? Also wouldn't killing Death means that the whole cycle kinda dies?
ReplyDeleteI really want to slap Sam straight across this face for unleashing this terrible evil that is going to plague him, his brother, and the world next season. But, at least, the Mark of Cain story is finally resolved.
ReplyDeleteTHIS IS EPIC, AWESOME!!!!! :OOOOO I can´t wait for the season 11!! :D And now what... APOCALIPSE?!!
ReplyDeleteI am undone
ReplyDeleteWasn't that thrilled about this finale it was pretty good but I thought it was going to be able to top the season 5 finale it might of did in several peoples minds but for me I wasn't like Oh my god I can't believe that. I still love this show though.
ReplyDeleteI was stunned that they killed off Death the way it did. I thought nothing would kill him, being an immortal being.
ReplyDeletei agree on this one. Killing death was kinda blaah
ReplyDeleteHoly shit, I called that the darkness would escape when Death mentioned it but THAT WAS SO MUCH WORSE THAN I EXPECTED. And that gave me OUAT flashbacks, ngl.
ReplyDeleteAnd is Dean Death now that he killed Death? Or are things going to be screwed up there? And thank God the annoying Mark of Cain is now (technically) over.
I am actually excited for season eleven.
Badly paced, inconsistent. Tired of the codependency between the brothers. Why was Castiel kept away from Dean the entire episode? What's the point of killing Death. Can we please stop using slurs like bitch, slut, whore etc it's 2015 okay. Why is Crowley not dead yet?
ReplyDeleteReally boring and anticlimactic for a finale. Expected more. The episode felt flat and more like a midseason finale. Carver should not write the big episodes, he's clearly better with fillers (he used to be one of my fave writers).
I love that they'll be fighting a real evil and not some BS pansy villain like Metatron or the letdown Dean as a demon. It reminded me of Azazel and early Lillith days. We had to have a "big bad" or villain next season.
ReplyDeleteDid you want them to hunt puppies?
The random case in the beginning felt out of place and just took up unnecessary screen time that could have been filled with something more relevant.
ReplyDeleteAgain, what's the point of killing Death? A LOT of retconning in this episode, as usual, which is sad because it feels sometimes like the writers have given up on the show.
he could probably touch the scythe because of the mark. but i agree, it was just unnecessary and blah
ReplyDeleteIn season 5 Death said that one day God would die....so if God can die then death being able to die is not that big of a stretch. Angels are immortal/ mortal.....they have the potential to live forever but can be killed with the correct weapon.
ReplyDeleteNo. But how many apocalyptic threats can they fight in the span of the series, already?
ReplyDeleteCompletely unnecessary for Death to be killed. Screw you carver.
ReplyDeleteYeah, he was one of the most intriguing characters on the show.
ReplyDeleteI'm ready for a legit evil and none of those corporate America villains they been fighting for a few seasons now. I called it on death, but overall I give it a B on the finale.
ReplyDeleteDeath knew Dean was coming in season 5. I think he succeeded this time because He took him by surprise.
ReplyDeleteI refuse to believe Death is dead. I cannot stand knowing he won't pop up randomly.
ReplyDeleteSam had me tearing up.
I despise Rowena and how she makes fools out of the King of Hell and a full Angel that has his grace back.
I'm glad the MOC is gone and evil is released. When that smoke started rolling all I could see was Devil's Trap and Jus in Bello. The guys will have a united enemy next season instead of dealing with one of each other's issues. Just like they had in Azazel, Lillith, Lucifer etc...
This was not the greatest finale ever but it had some really great moments and some wonderful acting.
Speaking of Metatron....he has the demon tablet and disappeared. That storyl ine is still open. But what exactly 'the darkness' will mean is an interesting question. Also there is the powered up version of Rowena that is now on the loose. Season 11 has a lot of new problems.
ReplyDeleteDidn't Death say in the finale that he would be the one being there to end God, showing how he is beyond even the limitations of God?
ReplyDeleteBut the fact of the matter is he is an original. You should expect some cataclysmic event to occur cause he died.
ReplyDeleteAlso why was there no reference of Kevin all season?
What corporate villains? U mean the leviathans in season 7?
ReplyDeleteLoved it. Only complaint Death dies and Rowena survived?! I don't like Rowena, she annoys me.
ReplyDeleteWhat a slap in the face !
ReplyDeleteI actually believed, up until the last 10 minutes, that this was this was really good, considering. I was enoying it. Dean's behavior was really frightening, we finally got some true lore about the mark, and a conversation about co-dependency that felt genuine for the first time in forever.
But then, Dean killed Death, and I realized I was just being trolled the whole time.
Codependency will truly be the end of this show. They didn't even bother to explain why Dean decided to forget all possible consequences and his previous words to Sam even though they were all completely true. The message was clearly just "The Winchesters must survive whatever the cost".
So we got the lamest ending in a Supernatural finale, with the incredibly predictable Rowena spell being cast at the last minute, and the brothers reenacting Sacrifice's last scene as if this was supposed to impress me. I'm sure some good people will die because the darkness has been released, but hey, as long as the brothers are here to fight it, who gives a crap right ?
Rowena's still alive, and no one in the writer's room is questioning the show's morality, which is starting to become unbearable for me.
I expected nothing from this finale, yet it managed to be extremely disappointing. Well done I guess.
WOW! Not sure what to think. Need time to process. Who takes Death's role? Can you kill Death? I really don't think so. Could Cas kill Crowley or Crowley Cas? I was so worried about all of them the whole time. My only complaint was that Rowena survived. I'm sure the usual people will whine about the usual stuff but I don't care I thought it was great and can't wait or Season 11. Great job guys!!
ReplyDeleteProbably to show that Dean was also willing to f up the world to save his brother. Death told Dean that if Dean didn't kill Sam, Death would.
ReplyDeleteI wish Rowena and Crowley were eliminated along with the Mark of Cain this episode. They're just dead weight in my eyes.
ReplyDeleteI wish like hell he'd never come back. Ever. Never. I don't want to hear his whining voice or see his pouting face ever again.
ReplyDeleteBut not beyond the limitations of death himself. The point was that the 'immortals' are mortal if hurt with the right weapon.
ReplyDeleteFunny, I was thinking - that could be Cas's new role! He seems to have a different mission every season.
ReplyDeleteThey really need to do what OUAT does. Have 1 season basically be two and finish the story in the half way mark . Because their story telling is terrible atm and is almost completely forgettable.
ReplyDeleteRemember the Mother of All? How she got killed basically instantly with absolutely 0 interaction with either Dean or Sam?
I don't think Death is dead-dead, because I really don't think it's possible to stop or kill Death.
ReplyDeleteMy guess is that (sadly) this version of Death is gone and a new one emerges. Death/Rebirth sort of thing, which probably means new actor/new personality.
Not just that the demons as well. They been writing their bad guys in this mold lately. Business suits in all. I hate we lost Death, but im glad for the change up.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I hate how Dean suddenly was willing to hell with the major consequences due to his co-dependent bond with Sam. In this situation, the greater good outweighed that bond. I wish Supernatural would have the guts Being Human had when they had one character kill another who he was close with for the greater good.
ReplyDeleteSome great parts, some clunky parts. I'm mostly excited because it seems like they left off with no reason for Sam and Dean to be fighting each other next year, but instead can be united against a big evil.
ReplyDeletelol rowena is amazing and scary and gorgeous. i hope cas puts his blade deep into crowley's heart and kills him off once and for all. he's been on for too long. he's nothing but bad one-liners and a boring character taking up screen time for other more interesting things.
ReplyDeleteI sure hope so.
ReplyDeleteRowena is garbage and the fact that several minutes were spent on her personal story in a freaking FINALE is a sign that the show is in big trouble.
ReplyDeletesee previous comment about usual people doing usual whining
ReplyDeleteSeason ELEVEN! can you believe it?
ReplyDeletethis is supernatural though. they don't keep track of what some other writer wrote five seasons ago. they don't keep track of what they wrote two episodes ago. they don't give a shit. retcon is how they do it
ReplyDeleteAre these comments necessary?
ReplyDeleteDeath or King of Hell? Either would be fun.
ReplyDeleteyeah well. i'm so sick and tired of the codependency. i don't care
ReplyDeleteWith the Mark of Cain taking up the second half of season 9 and all of season 10....I'm just glad that story line is over.
ReplyDeleteNo and I want do it again,sorrry. Just tired of them.
ReplyDeleteOkay . . . I was not a fan of the "Fan Fiction" episode so I didn't need to hear that girl singing "Carry On My Wayward Son." Thankfully, they cut her off and started playing the real song. Now, onto the finale . . . .
ReplyDeleteI don't have much to say. I thought it was very uneventful and lackluster given all the hype. I thought the entire landscape of the show was supposed to change. Bringing Purgatory to Earth would be changing the landscape. Letting Dean kill Sam would have changed the landscape. This is just another situtation that will likely be downplayed by 11x01. Remember the falling angels. Remember Dean gong to Purgatory. Nothing came of those stories, and I doubt anything good will come of this "darkness" plot.
Castiel seems incredibly weak to me lately. What is that about? I thought he was supposed to be really powerful, but he is useless lately.
Dean's rampage or his succumbing to the Mark was just too much for me. That should have been laid out all season, not crammed into one episode. The bad writing and poor pacing made the entire arc less urgent in my mind. Everything was ramped up for this one episode.
I did like the point when Sam gave up the fight and said whatever he did to Dean. That was a sweet scene.
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ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwJg0-Vh27c
I assume in season 5 the scythe got so hot because Death saw it coming and made it so Dean couldn't wield it. It only worked now because Death thought it was being used to take out Sam. It only works because it was in one sweeping motion, there was no time for Death to realize Dean wasn't going to deliver.
ReplyDeletedo you honestly believe the writers are going to remember about metatron + the demon tablet story line?? ha
ReplyDeleteTHIS EPISODE WAS INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CANNOT BELIEVE DEAN KILLED DEATH!!!!!!!!!! WHOA THE DARKNESS IS WAY WORSE THAN I THOUGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the last scene with Castiel and Crowley is scaring the crap out of me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Season 11 (AMAZING!!!!!) i need you now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeletethey need to go their separate ways. nothing good comes out of them being together. sorry to break it to you
ReplyDeleteI am happy to say that the season finale did not disappoint me. My favorite part of it WAS Death. But SERIOUSLY???? This is how it's gonna be now?? Towards the "end of the series" they want to kill everybody who was ever important? Leaving what? Sam and Dean to ride it out til the actual series finale??? UGH!!! I'm so pissed!! On top of that I get jipped for not seeing if Castiel killed Crowley, and not only that, Rowena is STILL alive!!! I wanted that bitch out of my life!!! You get rid of Death, one of the most awesomest characters ever in this series, and keep this whiny, red-headed witch bitch???? Give me a break!!! WTF!!!
ReplyDeleteI liked the scenes with Sam and Dean, but they annoyed me at the end. Like okay, they back into a ditch, they sit and stare watching The Darkness out of fear, I get that. However, if you think you're both about to die, couldn't I get a last hurrah? Some sort of, "I love you bro." Something! Other than Sam screaming, "Dean!! Dean!!" Cause really, it's like, what the hell was Dean going to do?? He's screwed just like you. Smh.
Anyways, yeah I liked it. It wasn't "Awesome" a bit slow actually, well very slow, but it was enough to keep me entertained b/c the season DID NOT! And I'm actually passionate enough to write this "lengthy" comment. Which I haven't bothered to do since the 200th episode. So with that said, I BEG that season 11 is way better. And if it's going to be the last (I wouldn't be opposed to it), I hope it goes out with a bang.
This is true, which is why I want Bobby back now. They have changed the rules whenever they see fit, why is this the one thing they are sticking to.
ReplyDeletestop calling women 'bitch'
ReplyDeleteI'm sure Carver will give them a reason to be at odds. Dean will probably blame the "darkness" on Sam for still pursuing a cure. And Rowena has the "codex," so that will be blamed on the Sam.
ReplyDeleteCarver can't let a season go by w/the boys NOT at odds w/each other.
Death - it seems a better match for his resume, with his previous experience as an angel.
ReplyDeletei'd rather see ellen back. or charlie. or any of the other million women they've killed off to feed the brother codependency and manpain/guilt
ReplyDeleteexcuse you. rowena is amazing and evil and i love her
ReplyDeleteYeah . . . when Sam was calling Dean's name like that, I had the same reaction as you. I literally said, "What do you want Dean to do? He can't fix this." Haha!
ReplyDeleteWhat a horrible piece of crap. This must have been the writer's meeting. "You know the one interesting and compelling character we have left, Death!" "Yeah!" "We should retcon it so he becomes some evil manipulative jerk, and then get him to convince Dean that Sam needs to die then him and Death will ride off in a spaceship!" "You're losing me." "But then through the power of love and family, Dean with kill Death!" "Wait! Deaths gonna die, that seems.... dumb!" "No no no! It's perfect Death will die, he'll go out like a little girl without even putting up a fight." "Ok, then what?" "Then we break out that old ass CGI demon smoke stuff, and we have them all swirl together into one big scary medium grey cloud!" "What should we call this medium grey cloud?" "DARKNESS!" "Wait shouldn't it be black?" "STFU we're running out of money! Anyway this big scary cloud will come rushing at Sam and Dean!" "This sounds familiar... Oh yeah, the Devil's Gate episode. Where they opened the gates of hell and a giant black cloud came out!" "God dammit can you just shut up, the stories really flowing here!"
ReplyDeleteI've been watching the show from the very beginning and this is definitely surreal.
ReplyDeleteHe better have them on the same side in season 11. They need to fight evil not each other!
ReplyDeleteSorry, I'm not quite as negative and pessimistic as you are. I've read your comments and you have nothing positive to say.
ReplyDeleteThat was some seriously poor storytelling and writing. I know I didn't fall asleep in the middle of this episode so I couldn't have missed the explanation of how Crowley just happened to come across the only person ever in existance who was the necessary third part of the spell. It was just plain dumb luck that Crowley walks into a diner to meet Seth who just happens to be Oscar? How did Crowley even know that Seth was really Oscar. This has been a problem for a couple of seasons now. Plot points are picked out of thin air with no rhyme or reason. Then to justify these plot points, details are crammed into the episode to back up these poorly thought out ideas. There are no details cleverly revealed through the season so that the story can be built up in a satisfactory way.
ReplyDeleteNow out of no where (once again with little explanation) the Darkness becomes the next threat. This upcoming storyline proves that the showrunners just aren't learning from their mistakes. Supernatural used to be about two brothers who pledged to fight the evil that destroyed their family and threatened others. That evil came in the forms of demons, ghosts, vampires, witches, etc. In seasons 1-5, the stories were told and built upon with a touchstone of reality weaved through to make the strangest of situations relatable to the viewers. Supernatural has become too big ... too vague and it's causing the stories to be incoherent and repetitive. All the other shows have a plan of what is to transpire throughout the next season and how the writers plan to get there. Carver instead throws out stories and then tries to backtrack with the details and causes a huge mess in the process.
Once last thought, can we never ... ever again have the season finale opening where there is a pitchy solo that proceeds Carry On.
Wow, THAT sucked....
ReplyDeleteHear hear!
ReplyDeleteit's because i've seen too many wars, son
ReplyDeleteSo the mark of cain is officially gone right????
ReplyDeleteI thought it was random Crowley found Oscar as well, but he said a hamster told him, the hamster being the leader of the coven that Rowena turned instead of killing.
ReplyDeleteSame here
ReplyDeleteSon??? A little over dramatic for a TV series.
ReplyDeleteCrowley said he learned about Oscar from the hamster. That's why he was scouting out the diner in the previous episode. It's been hinted for weeks that Sam would unleash some great evil by using the book of the damned.
ReplyDeleteI really...really....really....really.....really hope so. Find another way to get rid of 'the darkness'
ReplyDeleteHe seems to like them at odds for large portions of the season though so I wouldn't expect anything different.
ReplyDeleteMaybe he wanted Dean to drive already but it was obviously they were stuck and were not leaving anytime soon.
ReplyDeleteYou just can stop watching. It will end for you immediately then
ReplyDeleteSeriously ... the witch hampster told Crowley. Why would Rowena tell a woman she loathed and didn't trust something so intensely personal. It makes no sense.
ReplyDeleteI hope that they will bring again Lucifer and Michael from cage in hell. They were most interesting things of this show. I can´t wait at 11. season.
ReplyDeleteHaha . . . That was a old movie cliche that has always bothered me. In a crazy situation, one character will call the other's name like the other can do something about the crazy situation when he/she usually can't. Haha! My mind always sarcastically thinks, "What do you want X to do about it?" LOL :-)
ReplyDeletethere are just no words it just WOW that backfire badly but it can be good story line for next season.
ReplyDeleteHow they just gonna kill death so easily like that? and this "darkness" just seem like demons to me. Not really impressed with this finale.
ReplyDeleteI'm just voicing my opinion you dont have to respond to it.
ReplyDeleteNot gonna happen. Carver will create some lame new character that knows about it yet Castiel will somehow have no clue.
ReplyDeleteYou voicing it on public website and I wanted to response. Sorry, that how it wprks
ReplyDeleteplease dont respond to me. okay
ReplyDeleteBecause the actor was doing another show. Maybe he will want to come back soon on a permanent basis.
ReplyDeleteUgh go away.
ReplyDeleteOkay, so the hamster squealed. :) I think it's another example though of how strange, out of the blue details are shoved in the episode to support the story after the fact. It just happens the witch hamster told Crowley about the one person in all of existance who turns out to be the third key part of the spell Rowena cast to remove the MoC. How did she know about Rowena's "nephew" Oscar? There needs to be more of a build-up and explanation than a simple throw away line that Crowley mutters under his breath.
ReplyDeleteyes why cant we voice are Opinion if we do not watch that much of the show I watch the season F and did not watch the whole season but this SF was ok not good the whole season was not good but we can't all have good season's
ReplyDeleteActually, 6 good seasons of television came from it, and several more so-so seasons.
ReplyDelete(Letting Dean kill Sam would have changed the landscape.) That was a big no no for me. That pretty much would of killed the show landscape for me personally. But the rest I 100% agree with you on. The pacing been a issue big time and the writing. Like some said, I would hope they get more imaginative next season with this new thing. The sky is the limit. Now will they explorer or settle in their comfort zone of bogus fillers? I'm gonna go in with a clear head, but Im glad this season is done.
ReplyDeleteShe may have told her 300 years ago when they were still working together....before Rowena was ostracized by the witches.
ReplyDeleteYeah I just want it to improve or else it could end.
ReplyDeletewell even sent's Carver showed up they was good.
ReplyDeleteWhen encouraging Dean to kill Sam Death said "To be what you are, to become what you've become, is a stain upon their memory.", but I think Dean realized looking at his mother's photo, that to stain their memory would be killing his brother. Sam and Dean are suppose to protect each other. The one running thread through the series that gets them through everything is "Family above all."
ReplyDeleteIt was emphasized right from the start in the first season finale, that family meant more than taking the demon down. It's almost nice counting on that, even when the writers like to throw wrenches in the mix and have them fighting or up against something terrible, they will ALWAYS choose each other. It's the reason I'm still watching the show, that connection.
I like finale but it was a bit predictable for me. May be I have to stop reading spoilers. Otherwise I am glad boys will have something big a supernatural to fight next season, not cartoonish leviathans with big teeth or tattoo. I just wish they make darkness not looking like bunch of overcharged demons. They could come up with some other cool think, not just a boring black smoke.
ReplyDeletethe guts ended with the season 5 finale when same was actually locked away in the pit and looking back that wouldve been a great way to end the show. Almost every season after that has been terrible
ReplyDeleteRight??? Like that bothered me. Dean didn't even turn his way, I mean that should've given Sam the big clue right there that they were screwed, but nooo Sam yelled his name again, like that would do something. I had to Facepalm in the moment. Lol
ReplyDeleteUmm, no? It's not "women." It's one woman, a fictional character, that actually IS a bitch. If you don't like it, then don't read my comment. And this is Supernatural honey, you should be used to it by now. Get over it.
ReplyDeleteSo I wasn't the only one thinking OUAT finale then? lol! Damn those shows are becoming too similar!
ReplyDeleteYes, the hamster squealed, haha. This one doesn't actually bother me because no one trusts Rowena, so I don't have a problem believing that Crowley and the hamster have been busy for a while now digging up dirt to use against her.
ReplyDeleteme too I keep getting my hopes up but its let me down but we can not do anything about it but its the writer and Carver show not are's so.
ReplyDeleteAfter sitting through that, my only thought is of concern for the writers, I fear they may have caught some terrible brain-eating fungus, or some kind of rare skull weevils. I am concerned.
ReplyDeleteWomen are very much used to experiencing misogyny. That doesn't somehow excuse the misogyny.
ReplyDeleteI hated season 7, but seasons 1-6 were good.
ReplyDeleteAnd they woobified Lucifer.
ReplyDeleteOf all the crap that needed retconning, they decide to make it so poor little Lucifer just couldn't help it, he's just so misunderstood.
That's totally understandable. My problem is why do we (the viewers) have to fill in the missing blanks in the story by guessing what may have happened. Shouldn't it be the writers who lay out the details of the story in a complete and coherent manner?
ReplyDeleteUmm, I'm a woman, I'm not offended. She's been watching this show for ten years, hellooo you're on a public website that fans have said A LOT worse about characters, man or woman, if she can't handle the "B" word, which in this day and age is like saying "Damn", then maybe she shouldn't be on any public sites if she's going to be so sensitive over an evil witch. I mean how old are you 8?? Give me a break. Smh
ReplyDeleteSo is Sam and Dean dead? Lol what am I saying then there's no show.
ReplyDeleteI LOVED IT!
ReplyDeleteI'm so happy that Sam saved Dean in every sense of the word and that Dean could overcome the Mark for the love of his little brother. Really, really loved it.
SO good. Sam and Dean choosing each other over everything and everyone will ALWAYS make me happy! Rowena was excellent, I'm thrilled the Mark is finally gone, and I'm super excited about Sam and Dean working TOGETHER to set things right next season. Can't wait!
ReplyDeleteI thought about season 3 finale too. Haha.
ReplyDeleteIt got hot because Death made it hot because he knew Dean was creeping up on him. It had nothing to do with being in his presence.
ReplyDeleteHELL YEAH!
ReplyDeleteI'm so happy right now. I thought I was going to me miserable during Hellatus. But no, I'm very happy and exited.
It was awesome! Sam&Dean chose each other like they always will. The brothers are now united, fighting evil together with Baby. It's the Supernatural I love. Jared & Jensen blew me away!
ReplyDeleteWhat was even the point of this season? They not only double-undid all the character development of s8, but repeated the ridiculous "I'd rather condemn the entire planet than let you get hurt this one time (as opposed to all those other times I've specifically, deliberately hurt you before" mistakes of s8's finale, but WORSE. I wish I had any faith left in SPN to make The Darkness a truly terrifying force or at least something I could CARE about, but I made that mistake with the Leviathan, and I can't bring myself to make it again.
ReplyDelete"We're not evil, we're good!" they say as they willfully unleash a force so destructive it took God and all the archangels to fight it back YEAH OKAY
Why are we still pretending the Winchesters are the good guys?
That was the dumbest finale I have ever seen. Stale fake bro-drama, ripoffs from other shows. I think I'm out after that.
ReplyDeleteHahahaha you know what?? I wish the writers would be so bold as to do that. I'm going to be honest here, when they couldn't get out of that ditch, iI actually thought they could get killed with The Darkness coming at them (it would be very interesting then again who are we kidding.) but that was a second thought. My only worry is, when season 11 starts, if The Darkness was just some "dust" over the car, and the car saved them I'm going to be mega pissed. That would be soooo lame. I want the car to be up in a tree and crushed so badly. Yet somehow the boys survive. LOL
ReplyDeleteWell, Eve was always meant to be a MacGuffin. That was the point of the character.
ReplyDeleteSo stop watching the show, because it's about Sam and Dean and their relationship, that ain't gonna change. And Dean/Cas will never be a thing.
ReplyDeleteKilling Death was absolutely unnecessary *sigh*. I thought it was badly paced and some clunky dialogues. Carver should really pray to his lucky star to have Jensen and Jared, because it was because of them that the brotherly moment was really good. NOT the text.
ReplyDeleteOn the amazing side, THE MARK OF CAIN STORYLINE IS OVER!!!!!! This can't be said enough. REJOICE, PEOPLE, REJOICE!!!!! *champagne time* *happy dance*
The show isn't even pretending anymore, it's proud to show off such a digusting mentality.
ReplyDeleteWhy else would they make such a compelling case from Dean then completely destroy it in a split second right after ?
I feel like I'm going nuts because I believe Dean was absolutely right when he was talking to Sam, so thanks for your comment.
Yes even though I love my boy's, it's only realistic if they will actually get hurt by the darkness cause otherwise where is the hype.
ReplyDeleteI like the finale the boys will have a common enemy in season 11. I think that the only reason Rowena kept that deal to save Dean is because with the mark he would have been a threat to her. I also think Rowena and the book of the damned is not a good thing. I am sure there are other earth ending spells in that book. I also think that that book may bind darkness making it Rowena's slave.
ReplyDeleteOkay, the writers of OUAT and Supernatural have to stop sharing an office, or move out of the old Lost one!!!!!
ReplyDeleteThanks, now we have to wait till October to see if Cas kills Crowley, or if Crowley will save him. Now my whole summer will be me wondering what will happen lol
Not as heart wrenching as all the writers, actors, and fans had made it out to be
Neither Sam or Dean die! In fact no one dies... Only Charlie! Wow! A SPN first!
So now Rowena is extremely powerful and steals the BOTD as well as the codex. Metatron has the demon tablet... Ohhhh this is going to spell trouble in season 11!!
Rowena's past was a little bit rushed, I really couldn't keep up with what was being said..... Something about she leaves her child, becomes a begger, is taken in by a Polish family, falls in love with the child, the child grows ill, she gives him immortality, he is a waiter named Seth, WTF???? We get all this in one scene and yet we never find out why she leaves Fergus????
Why was it so easy for her to put an attack dog spell on an angel??? He should have been able to counter it! Why is there blood coming from his eyes? Is the spell melting his brain? HE'S A BLOODY ANGEL!!!! He got his grace back, so why??????? It has been so unclear since he got his grace back as to what he can and can't do! But I am pretty sure that if he can look into a person's soul, heal people of their ailments, and still fight, then surely he should not succumb to a witch's power!
I am so glad to see that the mark of Cain is gone and that Dean will finally be back to his old self. The MOC story was getting rather old
But Sam was willing to let Dean kill him, right? He even said it would be best for Dean to not hurt anyone.
ReplyDeleteIt's 2015, everyone is a delicate little snowflake that need their hands held.
ReplyDeleteLet's forget about the context of who the characters are/what's driving them "bitch" is just too mean, should have called her a "bad, bad meanie" instead.
Dean and Sam used to help people.
ReplyDeleteNow all they do is cling onto each other like whiny babies.
I expected more for Dean's arc.
They allowed him to grow for a a few episodes, then dragged him back on the mud.
The best part of the episode was Dean solving the case alone.
Worst part was woobie!Sam once again needing to be saved.
This show only panders to Sam fans and brodependency types.
As a Dean fan, can't say I'll be coming back next year.
Well, that happened. The only part I liked was watching Dark!Dean. The rest of it -- pfft. I am so sick of the show pounding the 'family theme.' I am sick of the brothers are apart the whole season and a big bro-moment at the end to bring them back together. Cas, Crowley, and Rowena was an absolute borefest again.
ReplyDeleteAfter ten years of faithful live viewing, I don't think I'll be back next season.
Then again, certain doom barreling their way and the only thing on Sam's mind is his brother.
ReplyDeleteThere is no reason to return next season. Season 10 put the final nail on the coffin. Wasted potential. All they do is make progress only to set the brothers back again. These writers have no idea how to write a truly compelling show.
ReplyDeleteAnd nonsensically, that acceptance of the very thing Dean set out to do was enough to make him change his mind and ruin everything...again...exactly like 8.23.
ReplyDeleteyawn yawn yawn
1) Rowena was not a beggar. She was hurt and that family was kind and nursed her back to health.
ReplyDelete2) Angels are vulnerable to all kinds of spells. Humans can banish angels with spells. Metatron with no grace used a spell to hurt Castiel.
Yeah . . . it was annoying! I don't know why tv shows/movies have characters do that!
ReplyDeleteTrue. I was actually kind of hoping Dean would slash Sam. I could have sworn I read that this finale was supposed to change the whole landscape of the show. Of course, Sam would come back, but I guess I wanted to see something new.
ReplyDeleteThe MOC sl was a waste of time ,they did nothing with it apart from Dean killing people who deserved it . They need Dean to be the hero too much to of done the sl true justice and now Dean kills Death basically for Sam it is getting ridiculous ,
ReplyDeleteBut it was a finale designed for brother fans .
Sam and Dean didn't choose each other over everything. Sam and Dean chose "Not Remembering That The Mark Can And WAS Removed Entirely By A Hexbag Thirteen Episodes Ago" over everything.
ReplyDeleteI agree. They are afraid to take Dean too far. Look at what demon Dean was. A joke IMO.
ReplyDeleteHmmm . . . I'm a brother fan, and I still didn't care for the finale. I, of course, don't mind the brothers saving each other, but this whole scenario wasn't executed very well. And that's probably b/c no thought was actually put into the story until whenever Carver sat down to pen this finale.
ReplyDeleteGentle reminder that the Mark of Cain was cured entirely a few episodes ago by a single hexbag. All this fuss over the cure, The Darkness, Death, was all because Sam and Dean (ie the writers) have a terrible memory, no plan, and just don't care at all.
ReplyDeleteI guess I could have accepted it b/c: (1) Dean would have been under the influence of the MOC and (2) it would have been the most interesting thing (IMO of course) to happen this year. For me, this season has been quite boring.
ReplyDeleteLoved this episode!!! I signed up for the Sam & Dean relationship 10 yrs ago, so anything additional is always a plus for me. Loved the dynamic of Dean telling "Sammy" to close his eyes so he could kill him. That was positively creepy! Never doubted Dean's love for his little brother; I knew in my heart he would not kill him. I only wish that the show would wrap up the Cas and Crowley storylines. They've become a bit bland, and I am tired of useless series regulars being kept around for the sake of fan service. The amount of episodes they were in was ridiculous. The season was ill-paced in general. Each of them were in 12+ episodes and their stories could have legitimately been placed into half of that. Anyway, the actors always salvage the bad storylines, (Jared, Jensen, MIsha, Mark, Ruth). I loved the Darkness, it looks epic and AWESOME. Loved Sam calling out for Dean in the end as though he expected his big brother to perform a miracle to save them. INCREDIBLE FINALE!!!
ReplyDeleteWe guessed that right lala. When you have a really bad setup (the way Charlie was killed) and a "monster" Dean who only kills bad guys, there is not much to be expected. Honestly I'm not surprised.
ReplyDeleteI'd take S7 (stone #1) over any of Carver's crap seasons! Haha! Is S7 the worst season for you?
ReplyDeleteI was a brother fan once ilast season killed it off but I just think the whole co-dependency is being used as a excuse for bad storytelling and even sillier actions .
ReplyDeleteI would suggest if you have not seen the finale yet decided for yourself. Some fans wan't certain things so some may base their conclusion on that.
ReplyDeleteApparently I shouldn't have spoken Ill of the "evil character." I should have lied and called her a freaking "beautiful angel". Who loves her son, Crowley, more than anything else in this world. And she killed a boy, Oscar, for the greater good of "saving" Dean's life. But iI'm not a liar and I realized....
ReplyDeleteOh but wait, she brought on The Darkness, an incredible evil force, that's going to wipe out all of existence. And before that she got Castiel to kill her son. And that was only in this episode. = /
But Cain also had the Mark back then, so, technically there was still the key to avoid the darkness
ReplyDeleteWasn't a cure, only a temporary solution. It just changed his body to how it was when he was 16, meaning that when he reached the age when he got the MoC it would return. Like it did when the spell changed him back into a 36-year-old man.
ReplyDeleteAs I saw it, Sam was willing to die . . . he usually is . . . and Dean stopped short of killing him. To me, that is consistent w/Dean's character. He would never kill Sam.
ReplyDeleteNow, some have asked why Sam didn't call Castiel to stop the spell, but I'm sure Sam was focused on Dean and Dean's insistence that Sam die and that they were evil people. I feel like this finale would have had more impact for me IF it had been built up over the season. For me, one week Dean was fine, and the next he was on a rampage, getting their hunter friends killed for no reason. There was no pacing to this story.
Now, I admit to not paying attn, but did Sam know the codex would wreck the world? I thought he thought it would just cure Dean?
The ones who are negative I would bet are minions who did not get their way. No canon ship for you. I loved the finale. The brothers together in the Impala. Can't wait for season 11.
ReplyDeleteThe codex was just used as a means to help in the translation of the Book of the Damned. It's really just a spellbook, a powerful one, but not world ending powerful.
ReplyDelete*sighs heavily* One, you're making rules up (and even if that's how it went...Lucifer still has the Mark, too). Two, Dean and Sam did not know that, did they? Dean and Sam never even mentioned it as an avenue of research. Three, they made this MoC crap up as they went. It's been repeatedly said they make things up as they go.
ReplyDeleteNo, the mark is gone off his body for good the way his body is now.
ReplyDeleteAs I said...... Rowena's past was so rushed that I only caught bits and pieces of what was said
ReplyDeleteSO JUST KEEP DEAGING HIM (until he's cool with moving on, and then kill him when he doesn't have the Mark). It's as good as solution as shooting him into space.
ReplyDeleteThat's why I filled it in for you. Everyone misses something at some point so if I can, I like to help fill in the missing pieces.
ReplyDeleteWhen you write comment. expect responses, do not then say 'don't respond'. If you don't want responses just say something like 'just ranting, no need to respond'.
ReplyDeleteSam wrecks the world by just getting up in the morning on this show.
ReplyDeleteI think they shouldn't have introduce the story line if they wasn't willing to go deeper. They could of took him to the limit, without actually having him kill his brother in the end.
ReplyDeleteLOL he may as well have just said, "Dean get out your gun to fight the smoke." LOL Aww man that's funny.
ReplyDeleteDemon Dean made more sense than people think. Dean still remembered who he was, he didn't have his humanity striped away from centuries of torture.
ReplyDeleteAnd at the same time, I mean people got in an uproar because he touched a strippers leg, calling him a sexual predator. I appreciated that it was more nuanced than "I'm demon, I'm gonna kill and screw anyone I want."
I'm not making rules up, regarding objection n°1: Lucifer doesn't have the Mark because he gave it to Cain, unlike Cain who replicated it to Dean. And, regarding 3, it doesn't really matter how the writing process is, as viewers we have to try to make it have sense
ReplyDeleteExactly - that's how he knew, but hamsterOlivette thought they were physical lovers. rather than the person Rowena loved most as family .And I would have thought why in the world did Carver/Singer want Sam to pursue this line of research if there was no payoff - good and bad.
ReplyDeleteHahaha!
ReplyDeleteThen the fandom would of drilled Dean for not over coming the mark. If Sam can snap out of Lucifer trance why couldn't Dean do the same for the mark argument. In this fandom already get on my nerves at times. lol
ReplyDeleteI think for the writers the idea sound good, but they got stuck in just did whatever. Which concerns me for next season. If you couldn't work this how are you going to work with what you just introduced.
So, why are ppl saying Sam willfully chose to wreck the world just to save Dean? I don't get that. Again, I admit to not being interested enough to pay close attn to the episode.
ReplyDeleteLOL! Hahaha.
ReplyDeleteWe sure did! Too bad . . . it would have been nice to be surprised and/or shocked.
ReplyDeleteExactly!!! I love them but shit! Give me something that I can be shocked about!! Something that happens so that I Can ACTUALLY worry about them! Sigh. This is why lots of times I want the show to end b/c I feel like they've done everything in the book (and after ten yrs it's not a stretch). I really don't see what they can come up with next season. I feel w/e they do, we've seen it already, (like some have pointed out with this finale), I just hope next season, they kill Metatron, Rowena, and this Darkness w/e it is, b/c I don't want to deal with it the whole season. Give me something that'll impress me.
ReplyDeleteYES. Demon Dean was Dean without guilt. He didn't care. And that's exactly what a Dean who doesn't care would look like.
ReplyDeleteDark!Dean (aka Purgatory Dean, which is what a lot of people wanted, I think) was a Dean who cared too much. He tortured monsters in purgatory because he wanted to find Cas. He tortured souls in Hell because all his pain finally came to a head and he needed a release. He just couldn't take any more.
So it does make sense. I wish we had seen more. But I'm glad we didn't backtrack to it in this finale. Two years of this arc was enough.
Yes, that was implied how it happened. Rowena must have kept track of the cured child after he grew up and Olivette - before she was hamsterized - must have found out about grown Oscar was she was tracking down Rowena.
ReplyDeleteTrue . . . I didn't think of that. Haha!
ReplyDeleteLes, I don't expect them to work this "darkness" thing into anything good. Carver ruined the set up for Purgatory, Sam, and the Alpha Vamp. He did nothing w/the fallen angels. He bungled, IMO, the MOC and DD. I just can't see how he'll turn the "darkness" into something good.
That said, if ppl are raving about it next year across boards, I might tune in again. This was once my favorite show.
Sam was clear he didn't know the consequences. For god's sake, he agreed with Dean and was hoping to be killed. How some people can't see that is beyond me. To each their own I guess. Countdown for blaming Sam for everything in season 11 starting in 10,9,8...
ReplyDeletePeople like to blame Sam, or think that the writers hate Sam and want people to blame him.
ReplyDeleteSam didn't willfully wreck the world, he was willing to take the consequences of using the Book of the Damned, which I doubt he thought would unleash an ancient darkness.
"but this whole scenario wasn't executed very well"
ReplyDeleteBut this whole scenario wasn't executed AT ALL. There, fixed it. =D
I would have preferred Demon Dean getting cured for the 200th episode. Just a bottle episode set in the Bunker w/ Sam and Dean.
ReplyDeleteBut I'm in the minority in thinking that they handled the MoC fine. It as like season 9, a slow decent. We saw flashes of aggression and Dean trying to control himself by burying himself in food and hunting.
Okay. I know you pay more attn than me (haha), and I didn't recall any scene where it was shown that Sam knew using the BoTD would "damn" the world. But I wanted to make sure b/c my attn span has been low for the show this season but esp. after that tragic nun crap episode, and I thought I had missed something.
ReplyDeleteAgreed! He argued w/Dean but eventually capitulated to Dean's will and kneeled there, waiting to die. What else did ppl want from him?
ReplyDeleteLOL :-)
ReplyDeleteYes, you did!! Haha!
That's sometimes a tough line to walk, because then there will criticisms of "telling not showing", or "showing not explaining." Which I've seen plenty of times on this sites gripe reviews, the reviewer will complain that the show is "telling not showing", but then something done subtly like Dean and MoC, especially in season 9, which did a good job of showing Dean subtly becoming more aggressive, "it's not explaining anything,"
ReplyDeleteThis fan base is not anything but predictable. One thing I learn from this fandom is just to watch the show on your on, because some watch for different reasons. What I will do is marathon S11 when it's done. I did this with past seasons in it did help me pay attention better in helped the pacing. That one time a week with these knuckle heads will drain you. lol
ReplyDeleteI agree, and that's what frustrate me about this regime. They do have ideas but they suck at executing it.
Let's be honset re: the angels, did you really want an entire season of angel BS? I'm frankly happy with how he handled it. Season 9 was definitely more about Sam and Dean's relationship, and used these big ideas of fallen angels roaming the earth and a civil war in Hell, and tied to Sam and Dean in a more intimate manner, with Sam's possession and Dean getting the MoC. Which was more interesting than Sam and Dean running around stabbing angels and demons for an entire season.
ReplyDeleteThere was no scene that said you use the Book of the Damned and the world is doomed. There was just a warning that using it, like all black magic, comes with consequences.
ReplyDeleteI think it could have been handled better than the way it was. The angel civil war was boring back in S7. The made a huge deal out of the angels falling but did nothing w/it. That was my problem w/that arc.
ReplyDeleteUgh, yes, 100 percent agreed on your first point. That's exactly what I had hoped for, and still we wish we got instead. But the 200th was fun at least, so, oh well, I guess...
ReplyDeleteAs far as the MOC goes, I would have liked a little more "show" than "tell" – the urgency that Sam was harping on about all season didn't make sense to me, mainly because we have seen Normal Dean do bad things before. I do agree that Dean's attempts at restraining the Mark (e.g., food and hunting) were well done. The contrast between how he handled it in Season 9 and how he handled it in Season 10 was thoughtful.
That's a good idea about marathoning the show. It's better that way. Maybe the pacing problems won't seem so obvious.
ReplyDeleteI mean hindsight and all that, you could say plenty of things could have been handled better in the first 5 seasons, well maybe not season 4, but season 5 was filled with wheel spinning and though cast perfectly, pretty much dropped the ball with the Horseman.
ReplyDeleteAhhhh . . . . . okay.
ReplyDeleteBefore these Carver seasons happened, S5 was my least favorite season.
ReplyDeleteThat was actually the first season where I noticed the filler. Now, I know the prior seasons had filler episodes but they never felt that way to me until S5. I remember much of nothing happening and then suddenly Jo and Ellen were dead. S5 had pacing issues too, and it is not a season I would watch all the way through. S6 was much better than S5, IMO.
You sure are weird...
ReplyDeleteI think the darkness is all evil.
ReplyDeleteall demons, ghost and souls are free
all people who have died will return
And the rest of the world weep,s asanother disaster is leashed upon the world ,
ReplyDeleteDean didn't try to kill Death in that scene, and that scythe was only glowing because it was finally close to Death's possession since it was missing.
ReplyDeleteCrowley said that scythe could kill Death, so I guess any scythe that Death owns can kill him.
ReplyDeleteIn lets be real the only epis you need to watch are, 1,2,3,8,9,17,18,21,22,23. Episodes 16 and 19 is optional but may have some info. lol
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