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POLL : What did you think of Supernatural - Dark Dynasty?

May 7, 2015

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240 comments:

  1. Ana PaulaMay 7, 2015 at 3:03 AM

    I wasn't expecting what happened in the end... I did not see that coming AT ALL!!!

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  2. Sabrina ElouardiMay 7, 2015 at 3:05 AM

    LEGIT!! And everyone’s blaming Sam. And I just. N O.

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  3. BrittneyAngel2010 .May 7, 2015 at 3:06 AM

    As bad as Sam feels, Charlie never should have left to go to the motel alone.

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  4. BoxManLockeMay 7, 2015 at 3:06 AM

    Lying, talking to rats, and throwing Sam under the bus ; just another day in the giant Microsoft commercial passing itself off as Supernatural.

    That was just the absolute cringe fest. The good news is, I don't think the show can sink any lower.

    I mean the main plot is what it is, but then you've got the tablet the super zooming tablet, Crowley being season 10 Crowley, Dean chaining that guy up but only on one hand, the ridiculous revelation that Styne = Frankenstein, Charlie running off for some reason... I mean, when freaking ROWENA is a high point of the episode, you know something's really, really wrong here.

    Only two weeks left of this and then just maybe the show can become bearable again.

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  5. chris684May 7, 2015 at 3:06 AM

    Crazy as this sounds, I actually voted awesome. The whole thing was pretty funny, and reservations aside, I think they did a good job with Charlie's death. It put the choices clearly on Charlie's shoulders, and her death was needed to act as a catalyst to get both Sam and Dean to the next stage In their stories.

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  6. BrittneyAngel2010 .May 7, 2015 at 3:08 AM

    Charlie's last act was to send the break through off so she should be the reason they can translate the book.

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  7. ivanMay 7, 2015 at 3:08 AM

    DAMN IT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHE DOESN'T DESERVE THIS ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  8. chris684May 7, 2015 at 3:09 AM

    Yes, she made a choice to sacrifice herself to save Dean. I like that it ended with her own choice,

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  9. BrittneyAngel2010 .May 7, 2015 at 3:10 AM

    People have been talking about Charlie dying for weeks but it became real to me because of 2 things: 1) when Charlie left by herself, and 2) next weeks episode description says that "Sam tries to deal with the consequences of his actions".

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  10. Darkchief117May 7, 2015 at 3:13 AM

    I don't really get how people are voting that this was an Awful episode, by them saying that they are making the episode Bloodlines from season 9 look amazing when it was the worst episode in the entire SPN series it's even voted the worst on IMDb.

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  11. KatherineMay 7, 2015 at 3:15 AM

    Yup. My reaction too.

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  12. KatherineMay 7, 2015 at 3:16 AM

    Aw man we lost Charlie! Hasn't she been here since season 7! Ughhhh.

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  13. janeMay 7, 2015 at 3:16 AM

    Really liked the Frankenstein twist. I didn't see that coming. Wonder who the name was that Crowley sent the minion to look for? Hated that they killed Charlie but she knew the risk and took it to help Dean. I don't understand why Cas can no longer "pop" to locations? Sam and Dean's faces at the end were heartbreaking. The guilt they will both feel will be horrible. Can't believe we only have 2 more episodes. As much as I hated what happened I though the episode was good.

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  14. kodiak bearMay 7, 2015 at 3:17 AM

    I think we can just vote this entire season as awful and pretend it never happened. Please?

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  15. KsanaMay 7, 2015 at 3:17 AM

    Many of the "awful" voters probably seriously pissed off with Charlie's death. I am waiting for "misogyny" comments, they are coming, I can feel it.
    It was "OK' for me, annoying product placement really ruin it.

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  16. BrittneyAngel2010 .May 7, 2015 at 3:18 AM

    Remember when Castiel got his grace back, his wings were still ripped up. Damaged wings means no flying faster then the speed of light.

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  17. janeMay 7, 2015 at 3:18 AM

    Right! Thanks. That was bugging me.

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  18. KsanaMay 7, 2015 at 3:19 AM

    But he has healing power, right? Or he can not bring people to life anymore?

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  19. Sabrina ElouardiMay 7, 2015 at 3:20 AM

    I feel like the mystery person — Rowena’s “demon lover” is Crowley’s dad. It’d be interesting to learn more about him, and tbh, I kind of enjoy Royena’s debut on Spn and if Crowley’s dad isn’t more different, why not?

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  20. BrittneyAngel2010 .May 7, 2015 at 3:21 AM

    Castiel can still heal. He could even heal when he was working with 'stolen' grace. He healed Metatron's neck wound after he slit his throat to steal his grace. It's just the wings that are broken.

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  21. CroatoanVirus2kMay 7, 2015 at 3:22 AM

    Screw off Sam. This is all your fault you giant idiot. Trying my best to keep this friendly as possible and not say the "F" word.

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  22. BoxManLockeMay 7, 2015 at 3:22 AM

    She really shouldn't have. It's a shame they had to introduce this nonsensical decision from her to try to alleviate some of Sam's guilt.
    Truth is Charlie's death is on him and that's it. And it just makes me a bit uncomfortable to watch a show where supporting character happily go to the slaughter for the main cast.

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  23. janeMay 7, 2015 at 3:22 AM

    I thought it might be his father also but I wonder who?

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  24. KsanaMay 7, 2015 at 3:23 AM

    Then why he didn't resurrect Charlie?

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  25. KsanaMay 7, 2015 at 3:24 AM

    This was Charlie's personal choice. She left because she decided so. Not Sam's fault.

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  26. janeMay 7, 2015 at 3:25 AM

    He couldn't have gotten there in time if he couldn't "pop." She was already dead.

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  27. BrittneyAngel2010 .May 7, 2015 at 3:26 AM

    2 thoughts: 1) maybe Cas can heal the living but is not at full strength to resurrect the dead......or 2) maybe because Charlie's soul is in Heaven and Cas has been banished from Heaven again.

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  28. JustinC83May 7, 2015 at 3:26 AM

    Can heal injuries but not resurrect.. I mean really the only time he brought someone back that was completely dead was Bobby, irrc.

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  29. BrittneyAngel2010 .May 7, 2015 at 3:29 AM

    I agree that the supporting characters should not be sacrificed so much and that Sam had a role in this. But Charlie's decision to leave put her in a position to get killed where no one was there to protect her. I think it was stupid and out of character for her leave but Charlie did something stupid that got her killed.

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  30. chris684May 7, 2015 at 3:32 AM

    I don't think it was on him. He'll feel guilty, and Dean will blame him, but it wasn't really on Sam. Sam disclosed all of the risks to Charlie, and she agreed. He brought in an angel to protect her, and she ditched the angel, knowing she was being hunted by the Steins. And then both Sam and Dean told Charlie to give the Steins whatever she wanted, but she made a choice. In the end it wasn't either Rowena or the book that did her in, but someone who was hunting her before Sam asked for her help. I can't remember who asked her originally to go after the book though.

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  31. KsanaMay 7, 2015 at 3:32 AM

    Gadreel resurrected Cas's vessel, so angels can do that. This is a plot hole to me.

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  32. MelMay 7, 2015 at 3:37 AM

    This episode was crap and seriously Charlie is a smart girl. I don't buy for a second that she'd run off by herself. The writing this season has hit an all time low and now due to Sam's lies by omission and the writer's making Charlie out to be a complete moron, she paid the ultimate price. I am soooo over this clusterfrak season. My recommendation for season eleven? Get rid of all the craptastic writers and/or bring Kripke back. This show was once brilliant. Now it's a royal suckfest.

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  33. BrittneyAngel2010 .May 7, 2015 at 3:37 AM

    If Crowley's father was Rowena's demon lover and Crowley's father was still 'alive' then wouldn't that make Crowley's father one of Crowley's subjects since Crowley is the king of Hell?

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  34. janeMay 7, 2015 at 3:38 AM

    I believe Charlie found a reference to the book and volunteered to go see if she could go find it.

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  35. BlueStarMay 7, 2015 at 3:39 AM

    You're only realizing now that these writers suck? This show hasn't been anywhere near itself since Season 7.

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  36. BoxManLockeMay 7, 2015 at 3:39 AM

    I'm not sure why you would mention IMDB as if it meant anything, but I voted awful and I mean it. At least Bloodlines was just a failed experiment, not a slap in the face.
    That was basically 35 minutes of Sam lying his ass off, followed by the lamest character death in a show that specializes in lame character deaths.
    If you liked it, good on you, but please refrain from calling people out because they didn't.

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  37. BrittneyAngel2010 .May 7, 2015 at 3:40 AM

    Charlie took her laptop to a motel to work alone and without Rowena. Charlie told Cas that she needed to have some alone time. There was no reference to the book. Charlie was working as a code breaker using the computer to find patterns. That is what she did at the motel, she just figured out the pattern.

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  38. chris684May 7, 2015 at 3:40 AM

    What exactly did Sam fail to tell Charlie?

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  39. elle j.May 7, 2015 at 3:41 AM

    Supernatural is the same as it ever was. The brothers trying to save each other while keeping secrets and collateral damage following. This time it's Sam that is going to take the hit because he lied to Dean about destroying TBotD and enlisted Cas and Charlie's help to decode the book. The collateral damage in this case being that Charlie is now dead. Can't wait to see how Dean handles finding out Sam has Rowena locked up with the promise that he will kill Crowley. Que Dean screaming at Sam with Sam being overwrought with guilt. Why do the writers want to screw over Sam's character over and over? Why are they killing off characters who have become family to Sam and Dean? Even though the brothers are the heart of the show, Supernatural can and should involve more characters than just Sam and Dean.

    The only interesting part of this episode was the Stein twist. Other than that, it was a disaster. Now we get to see everyone blame Sam for Charlie's death ... no one more so than Sam himself. Why didn't she stay with Cas? Charlie knew the Steins were after her and how dangerous it was for her to be out there on her own. I know why ... it was a p*ss poor plot twits to amp up the suspense and put Sam and Dean at odds with each other for the hundredth time.

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  40. BrittneyAngel2010 .May 7, 2015 at 3:44 AM

    Because in season 9 Dean was the one lying to Sam about the angel possession to save Sam. Now it's Sam's turn to lie to Dean to save Dean.

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  41. NickMay 7, 2015 at 3:45 AM

    Do you really think any of that will matter once the Sam Blame Game gets into full swing? Of course it won't.

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  42. BoxManLockeMay 7, 2015 at 3:46 AM

    Don't worry, I won't blame Sam for the crappy writing, I'm too used to it. But a lot of people will and I can't blame them, Carver is really trying his best to make Sam a pariah in this fandom, that's what pisses me off the most.

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  43. HellboyMay 7, 2015 at 3:46 AM

    Well, I was wrong about Charlie. Did not see that coming.

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  44. NickMay 7, 2015 at 3:47 AM

    Wasn't Charloe already dead in season 8 when an injured Ezekiel brought her back to life?

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  45. BlueStarMay 7, 2015 at 3:47 AM

    This old plot has been happening since almost the start of SPN. There's always something to get them blaming each other. It's a really old plot now. The writers right now have done nothing new and it's getting boring.

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  46. chris684May 7, 2015 at 3:47 AM

    I thought Charlie ditched Cas and Rowena because Rowena was driving her nuts, but I might have missed something. I'm not sure what else she expected to find in her motel room with just her computer. She had her computer when she was with Rowena too.

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  47. Darkchief117May 7, 2015 at 3:48 AM

    I only mentioned that site because they rated Bloodlines as the worst episode, other then that I don't support their ratings for other things. I'm not really calling anyone out all I said is I don't get how they can say this is an awful episode I didn't call anyone offensive words or anything.

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  48. NickMay 7, 2015 at 3:48 AM

    Charlie is dead because she made a decision to help cure Dean. She did what she did for Dean.

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  49. BrittneyAngel2010 .May 7, 2015 at 3:49 AM

    I agree that it has been done too much but I just said that season 9 was Dean's turn and now it is Sam's turn.

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  50. chris684May 7, 2015 at 3:51 AM

    I completely expect that people who hate Sam will hate Sam. My criteria is that the story is fair, and in this case I think it was. I'll just duck the SPN Internet boards for a while if I have to.

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  51. BlueStarMay 7, 2015 at 3:51 AM

    Yeah, so? So every time a brother does something wrong the other one has to do the same? There doesn't need to be "turns" imo. It's fake equality.

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  52. HellboyMay 7, 2015 at 3:52 AM

    She went looking for the book on her own. Sam told her about it, but she volunteered because she wanted to help Dean.

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  53. chris684May 7, 2015 at 3:55 AM

    But that's still on Charlie. A grown woman can't make her own decision about the risks?

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  54. BrittneyAngel2010 .May 7, 2015 at 3:56 AM

    I think you missed the point. I wish the writers would stop having Dean & Sam take turns lying to each other. I'm just saying that the writers had Sam do the lying to save Dean this time because Dean lied last season to save Sam.

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  55. BlueStarMay 7, 2015 at 3:58 AM

    You're missing my point as well. I'm disagreeing with you about the writers needing him to do that. Differing opinions.

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  56. HellboyMay 7, 2015 at 3:58 AM

    Totally. I'm apparently the rare fan that doesn't bitch about every recurring character dying, because I've been watching the show for 10 years, and am used to and love the fact that no one is safe. Charlie dying, made sense for the story, 100%.

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  57. RobanahMay 7, 2015 at 3:59 AM

    That is the first time I have seen "Awful" Out vote Awesome!!!!! Wow!!!! A little pissed they killed Charlie, but was to be expected.

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  58. HellboyMay 7, 2015 at 3:59 AM

    Misogyny and homophobia since Charlie was a lesbian.

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  59. MelMay 7, 2015 at 3:59 AM

    I said Sam's lies by omission. I didn't say those lies were directed at Charlie. He just drug her, Cas, and Rowena into his lies to Dean. In the end, she suffered the consequences by doing the stupidest, out of character thing even. Sam will feel guilty for that and rightfully so.

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  60. HellboyMay 7, 2015 at 4:00 AM

    They actually laid out the Frankenstein twist in Book of the Damned, the Styne family crest is the same as the Frankenstein family crest in Young Frankenstein.

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  61. KsanaMay 7, 2015 at 4:00 AM

    Oh yes, forgot that one.

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  62. MelMay 7, 2015 at 4:01 AM

    It's had its moments since season seven, but this season has hit rock bottom.

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  63. HellboyMay 7, 2015 at 4:02 AM

    Season 5 he couldn't heal Bobby because he was cut off from Heaven, so it may be the same case with not being able to resurrect Charlie since he is currently banned.

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  64. BrittneyAngel2010 .May 7, 2015 at 4:02 AM

    Apparently I failed yet again. I keep saying I do NOT agree with what the writers are doing. I do NOT think the writers NEED to have the brothers take turns lying to each other. I was explaining how the writers think and why the writers are doing what they are doing.

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  65. HellboyMay 7, 2015 at 4:04 AM

    But the Styne's were already hunting her. So a confrontation was inevitable.

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  66. BlueStarMay 7, 2015 at 4:06 AM

    I missed the not. I apologize.

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  67. chris684May 7, 2015 at 4:06 AM

    What does his lies to Dean have to do with anything? He was totally upfront with Charlie and Cas, and they made their choices because they agreed that they wanted to help save Dean. Not all decisions are Dean's to make..

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  68. BrittneyAngel2010 .May 7, 2015 at 4:06 AM

    No problem.

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  69. ThirtyMay 7, 2015 at 4:07 AM

    Once Rowena mentioned her loyalty to the Winchesters would be Charlie's undoing, I thought "Well, that's her Waterloo."

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  70. lala2May 7, 2015 at 4:08 AM

    I haven't seen this episode yet, but I agree w/you! This entire season has been a complete mess and a bitter disappointment.

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  71. JJ THE EXPATMay 7, 2015 at 4:09 AM

    They always get rid of the good characters. It's frustrating.

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  72. MelMay 7, 2015 at 4:09 AM

    Sam lying to Dean left Charlie unprotected and bad writing had her running off like an idjit. Pure stupidity all around. Dean wouldn't have left her unprotected and Sam will have to live with that. I blame the craptastic writing.

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  73. BrittneyAngel2010 .May 7, 2015 at 4:11 AM

    Sam left Charlie with angel protection. Charlie ditched her protection.

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  74. lala2May 7, 2015 at 4:11 AM

    She was most definitely dead last year. Dean told Zeke to bring her back. Zeke also resurrected Castel.

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  75. chris684May 7, 2015 at 4:12 AM

    Dean's not infallible. He got Kevin killed, Jo died while he was there, Bobby died hunting Leviathan with him ...

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  76. lala2May 7, 2015 at 4:12 AM

    It sounds awful. I guess I will watch it later.

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  77. ThirtyMay 7, 2015 at 4:14 AM

    I was hoping that was just a nod.

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  78. chris684May 7, 2015 at 4:15 AM

    Lately I've been measuring a show's death count against The Walking Dead, so I'm right there with you.

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  79. BrittneyAngel2010 .May 7, 2015 at 4:15 AM

    It was Gadreel but yeah and that was in season 9.

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  80. AlineMay 7, 2015 at 4:15 AM

    Sam didnt leave her unprotected. He left her with Castiel so he left her very protected. She's the one who chose to leave her protective detail behind.

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  81. chris684May 7, 2015 at 4:16 AM

    Rolled my eyes a little at that one.

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  82. Scully ♥ MulderMay 7, 2015 at 4:17 AM

    They just don't value the fanbase. They have a huge female driven demographic, and a lot of queer fans and they get rid of the one character who represents us and who they've worked hard to make us love and identify with. This series isn't entertainment for me now. This is that one episode that put the final nail on the coffin for me. I can't watch this series anymore. I wish Charlie would have been given her own spin-off. Or just been allowed to leave off (like she had to Oz). Killing her wasn't just unnecessary, it was rather cruel to, to fans. I don't know. I'm too upset to say more...

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  83. MelMay 7, 2015 at 4:19 AM

    I know it was her decision which is why I said it was stupid and out of character. Very poor writing.

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  84. Alex DinizMay 7, 2015 at 4:22 AM

    People like you who have small mind should keep their mouth shut,so they can't say stupid shit,you didn't like the rat scene,well,sam was a car back in season 5,wanna read something? turn off the tv,you can't understand a great show,die slowly :D

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  85. BrittneyAngel2010 .May 7, 2015 at 4:23 AM

    I agree that it was out of character for her but my comment was in response to your comment," Sam lying to Dean left Charlie unprotected". Charlie was more protected with the angel protection Sam left her with then she was on her own. Charlie put herself in danger by leaving her angel protection.

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  86. Alex DinizMay 7, 2015 at 4:24 AM

    Indeed

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  87. HellboyMay 7, 2015 at 4:24 AM

    As is, if we are counting 2+ appearances as recurring there are 28 currently still living. 26 if you don't count Crowley and Cas, and even then only about a quarter of them appear on a regular basis. So yeah, the pool of characters is pretty small.

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  88. BlueStarMay 7, 2015 at 4:25 AM

    Thanks for being cool.

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  89. MouetteSheridanMay 7, 2015 at 4:26 AM

    Worst ep of the season. By far.

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  90. lesMay 7, 2015 at 4:26 AM

    Charlie was more of a grown women with a teenager mind. So I see today her character was written ditsy in got herself killed. They never got the right balance with her so It's whatever.

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  91. Miss SupernaturalMay 7, 2015 at 4:27 AM

    Damn... They did it. They killed Charlie :'(

    And no. This wasn't Sam's fault. She knew what she was getting into and she even told Dean so. It was also her decision to run off (out of character, IMO). She put herself in a more dabger situation.

    It sucks, I loved her. But Sam isn't to be blamed.

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  92. CeryleMay 7, 2015 at 4:28 AM

    I only voted "good" because I thought the first half of the episode was tedious (humor aside) but the second half was seriously intense. Agree that Charlie did what she did of her own motivations. And I agree that they did a good job with Charlie's death. Pleasantly surprised that they did not show Charlie getting killed – that might have felt gratuitous. The way it was depicted, while gruesome, seemed less like an exploitation.

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  93. BrittneyAngel2010 .May 7, 2015 at 4:29 AM

    I am all too aware that it is easy to misunderstand someone via online communication. I have no problem debating a point of view, but I also know that some people can take this stuff way too seriously. Everyone misreads something at some point.

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  94. BlueStarMay 7, 2015 at 4:33 AM

    Definitely. People can get really touchy sometimes. I don't upset with anyone unless I really think someone is attacking me personally (versus my point of view on a subject that is debatable). It's just TV afterall.

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  95. BoxManLockeMay 7, 2015 at 4:35 AM

    You seem like a sane and clever person, young man.

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  96. RobanahMay 7, 2015 at 4:36 AM

    The twist is....... Crowley's Dad turns out to be Metatron!!!! It could happen!

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  97. lesMay 7, 2015 at 4:38 AM

    People still mad at Sam for taking Deans bowl of cereal. I'm over what the fandom thinks, every one judge on who they favs or. So some is blinded.

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  98. BoxManLockeMay 7, 2015 at 4:39 AM

    Haha, that's true. But you can't deny this is one of his biggest "screwups".

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  99. BrittneyAngel2010 .May 7, 2015 at 4:39 AM

    Then Crowley would have been born as one of those 'abominations' like that waitress that Castiel killed at the end of season 8 when he thought Metatron was trying to 'save' heaven.

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  100. CeryleMay 7, 2015 at 4:40 AM

    Wow. I was quite literally on the edge of my seat (couch, specifically) for the second half of the episode. First half was very Buckner/Ross-Lemming (awkward dialogue, lots and lots and lots and lots of talking, plodding pace), but the second half ratcheted up the intensity and the heart.


    The scene where Dean reveals to Sam that he knows about the Book gave me chills. The angle, Dean's movements – that was the scariest I've seen Dean this season. And this was with Sam. Holy cow.


    And Charlie's death. Knew it was coming, but the music and the frenetic pacing still made my heart clench. Glad they did not show her death. What could have been gratuitous was instead just tragic. Because Charlie made her own choices. She chose, at every turn, to keep going and to do what she was doing in order to help Dean. Her last act was an act of sacrifice. I know Sam will blame himself anyway, but I have hope based on the preview that Dean will channel his rage towards the Stynes and not Sam.

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  101. Alex DinizMay 7, 2015 at 4:44 AM

    Thanks,i'll take the compliments,but i won't take away my words,because these aren't only for you,i'm just tired of these fans that complain about everything,yeah the show isn't like it was before,but it still good,has its flaws too but no big deal,just stop watching the show,you seem like a small minded and dumb person,dumb man

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  102. BoxManLockeMay 7, 2015 at 4:45 AM

    Great. You go watch the episode again, and I'll just wait for moderators to ban your ass to oblivion.

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  103. RobanahMay 7, 2015 at 4:47 AM

    Ah true, but I have always had a theory about that. See perhaps he hid is grace for a time to become human, met Rowena, taught her a few things. Claimed he was a demon. Fell in love with her, then had baby Fergus, who lived a mortal life.
    Or He was born a Nefillam and either Metatron or Rowena took his grace when he was a baby.
    *sigh* So many interesting theories lie around Crowley as many, even Mark Sheppard, think that he is more than just a demon

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  104. lesMay 7, 2015 at 4:47 AM

    Yep it's more ammo. But the important thing is I saw with my own two eyes what happen. In im not going to have some fans hatred dictate what I saw.


    This is like me telling somebody don't cross the street during rush hour. In what that person do? Cross the street during rush hour in get hit. I will feel bad but it's not on me.




    Charile was warned. In really I still shake my head on why she got into this life. She never had a bullseye on her back like Sam and Dean did. They had this character jump into it like it was the next video game.

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  105. Manuela G.May 7, 2015 at 4:49 AM

    Brazil? :)

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  106. Alex DinizMay 7, 2015 at 4:50 AM

    Why watch it again? i can undestand a great show kiddo,and its ok,nice to meet you,please take my words with you,they're with love,love from someone that hates people like you,affection from someone who wants to kill you,now please moderators,take my ass to purgatory,i'm ready..

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  107. Alex DinizMay 7, 2015 at 4:51 AM

    Sim?

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  108. Manuela G.May 7, 2015 at 4:52 AM

    You can have your opinion without some stupid tolding you to die slowly. Bye

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  109. Alex DinizMay 7, 2015 at 4:53 AM

    Koe cheirosa,tambem não manja de Supernatural?

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  110. Alex DinizMay 7, 2015 at 4:57 AM

    Sai dae ow :(

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  111. Manuela G.May 7, 2015 at 4:58 AM

    Prefiro não me formar em "Supernatural"... desisti já faz tempo. Ainda dou uma olhada para saber se melhorou. Tenho coisas mais importantes para fazer do que perder meu tempo com "isso". Koe Cheiroso.

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  112. Alex DinizMay 7, 2015 at 4:58 AM

    Okay

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  113. Manuela G.May 7, 2015 at 4:58 AM

    Nossa!!! kkkkk Me move de lugar. Vai ser burro assim na china.

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  114. Alex DinizMay 7, 2015 at 5:00 AM

    Cuma? eu sou burro? Desde quando existe Tolding? '-'

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  115. RestlessMay 7, 2015 at 5:00 AM

    lol this site is one of the few where Sam fans hang out a lot you can't say anything bad about him here xP

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  116. Manuela G.May 7, 2015 at 5:03 AM

    Desde que eu criei. E desde quando a palavra DAE também existe. Pelo menos o português eu falo corretamente. Ei, agora vai VIADAR com suas bichinhas do supernatural. É lógico que você não assiste pelas "mulheres" gostosonas da série kkkkk

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  117. Alex DinizMay 7, 2015 at 5:05 AM

    Nope,assisto pela qualidade da série,marcou uma parte boa da minha vida,mas ae,tamo junto no tolding (:

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  118. Manuela G.May 7, 2015 at 5:06 AM

    Me emocionei agora. sua infância. Ai que dózinha. Eu sei que parte que marcou da sua vida. Tamo junto no seu DAE também. Vai pra escola e para de sonhar com o que não é para seu bico! (Sam ou Dean)

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  119. Alex DinizMay 7, 2015 at 5:07 AM

    KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

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  120. Alex DinizMay 7, 2015 at 5:07 AM

    s2

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  121. Manuela G.May 7, 2015 at 5:07 AM

    Eu vi seus comentários, só faz isso o dia inteiro, fica defendendo uns caras que nem sabem da sua existência. Na boa.... Vai arrumar um namorado ou estudar, é muito bom, viu?

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  122. Alex DinizMay 7, 2015 at 5:08 AM

    Cara,daonde tu surgiu mesmo? Uhsuahsa

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  123. Alex DinizMay 7, 2015 at 5:10 AM

    Cara,tu entendeu meu ponto de vista né? Sabe do que eu estava falando ali em cima certo?

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  124. Manuela G.May 7, 2015 at 5:10 AM

    Talvez eu seja uma conselheira... já que você está precisando. Está dando até dózinha, viu? Sua mãe coitada deve colocar comida em casa ou o seu pai. E Você é bem grandão para ficar dependendo de pai e mãe. Porque sinceramente não trabalha e nem estuda. Só faz isso o dia inteiro. São bilhões e bilhões de comentários. Não sei é para chorar ou rir.

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  125. Manuela G.May 7, 2015 at 5:11 AM

    Saindo.... Passe bem!

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  126. Alex DinizMay 7, 2015 at 5:11 AM

    Aleluia

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  127. DngnRdrMay 7, 2015 at 5:31 AM

    Her running off was twofold IMO... she was getting distracted by Rowena (that woman needs to die) and she didn't really trust her either (did I mention she needs to die?)

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  128. with love and squalorMay 7, 2015 at 5:39 AM

    Actually, he wasn't totally upfront with them, or at least with Castiel. He (Cas) had to find out from Rowena herself that Crowley is her son which might have been something that Sam really should have told him.
    Still, you are right, of course, Sam's lies did not cause Charlie's death.

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  129. DngnRdrMay 7, 2015 at 5:42 AM

    I'm sure someone on SpoilerTV called that Styne would turn out to be derived from Frankenstein.... congrats to whoever it was!!

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  130. gabygogoMay 7, 2015 at 5:45 AM

    I find it funny that the episode is most rated as "awful" because Charlie died, but every time she was on people complained and ratings went down...don't get me wrong I love(d) Charlie, I just find it interesting.

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  131. MythAlMay 7, 2015 at 5:52 AM

    I was somehow excited about the 3 last episodes after reading Jensen's interview. After seeing what the Awful Duo did to create a situation to set Dean off and all the rest of the episode, some points come to my mind:


    - When Charlie died, I thought imediately "Cas can ress her" and then when I watch the preview for the next episode, I was like "What kind of bullsh*t they are going to say to prevent Cas to ress her? He couldn't do it with Kevin because he had no power. Not the same situation now." . And Charlie's death sets Dean off. I knew it'd happen but it was so contrived (Charlie leaving Cas and Rowena and pretty much forgetting all about her super ultra ninja skills) that I feel it took away some of whatever impact this awful MoC storyline will have. Dean becomes a murder machine, true, but the reason is weak, so weak. Especially when nothing is happening to him so far. He played minigolf for god's sake. I like good stories. But this MoC storyline is so badly paced that it only took 30+ episodes to something happens ( and I have the impression that it will continue in season 11). So for me Cas not ressing her is a ENORMOUS plot hole. Maybe kidnapping her was a better way...


    - Frankenstein? Really? Really??? Doc Benton (season 3) anyone? What's next? Dracula? Teletubbies? Here I was hoping for something better with the Stynes.


    - Sam living under the bus, nothing new. Let the Dean blaming Sam situation start...


    - Rowena was really good. I think she was the best character.


    - I still stand by my idea that Dean locks Sam up, but only for a different reason. I thought he'd do it to protect Sam but now it's for Sam not stopping him. All things are pointing to Dean killing Sam scenario. Dean will be so far gone that Sam will try to reach out and he'll be back for a short time and when we think he's in control, BAM, he kills Sam, and back to being a demon ( which would make the entire season 10 pointless).

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  132. jenMay 7, 2015 at 5:57 AM

    welp, after that episode I'm ditching the rest of the season.

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  133. Natalie WhiteMay 7, 2015 at 6:11 AM

    Sam is totally not to blame and here is why..
    http://defilerwyrm.tumblr.com/post/118334444626/did-everyone-just-wake-up-on-the-stupid-side-of

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  134. João PauloMay 7, 2015 at 6:18 AM

    don't like how Charlie (why she not pray for Cas and the brothers don't call him for help) dies, but the episode was good. The revelation of Frankentsteins family don't give us chills, but still is a new mythology to explore.

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  135. BoxManLockeMay 7, 2015 at 6:31 AM

    Comments and ratings are always the opposite here.
    Everybody can vote so that means lurkers do, and there are way more lurkers than active commenters.

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  136. Guilherme OliveiraMay 7, 2015 at 6:48 AM

    Game of supernatural

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  137. BoxManLockeMay 7, 2015 at 7:04 AM

    Charlie by Robbie Thompson : Kills two Stynes single-handedly

    Charlie by the awful duo : Gets killed by one Styne missing an arm

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  138. BoxManLockeMay 7, 2015 at 7:09 AM

    Let's never forget that's why Charlie got killed.

    I can't fathom why Dean would chain the guy up like that unless he was planning some kind of soft kink roleplay.

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  139. sharonallyMay 7, 2015 at 7:18 AM

    And I am sure you felt that way and said the exact same thing when Dean got Kevin killed without informing him of the situation last season.

    At least Charlie knew what she was walking into nothing was hidden from her.

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  140. gabygogoMay 7, 2015 at 7:19 AM

    No, I understand that, but I meant (at least with my second "ratings") that Nielsen ratings went down whenever Charlie came on, but now there's a huge uproar on social media that she's gone...not just SpoilerTV...

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  141. Mar TimMay 7, 2015 at 7:22 AM

    WTH no no noooooo Charlie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hated but do not think the episode was awful

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  142. ShannonMay 7, 2015 at 7:31 AM

    I can't believe they did that!!!! Charlie!!!! = ( yeah I'm crying. I'm so mad.

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  143. lesMay 7, 2015 at 7:39 AM

    I got this nagging feeling somewhere Charlie will show up again.
    Robbie Thompson is being to cool about it. lol

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  144. julioMay 7, 2015 at 7:43 AM

    I think I can finally stop watching this show. Charlie wasn't my favorite character but this season has been terrible and I told myself if charlie or jodi die (Next season jodi will most likely die) I'm done with supernatural. I'm sort of relieved one less show to keep track of.

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  145. NblMay 7, 2015 at 7:46 AM

    They are all on Tumblr.

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  146. NblMay 7, 2015 at 7:47 AM

    She was only mostly dead

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  147. NblMay 7, 2015 at 7:54 AM

    I'm a fan and I'm happy Charlie was killed off. And how did they "work hard" to make people love her? She was in 7 episodes of over 200. Was she automatically loved because she was a lesbian? Just a heads up, people of all sexual orientation can be annoying. If they left her the way she was in the first two episodes, she would have been fine, but they turned her into a Mary Sue. I'm going to be pissed if this characters death affects the guys mote than other more significant deaths have.

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  148. SeanMay 7, 2015 at 8:05 AM

    Are we sure it was the one armed Styne that killed her? (Sorry, but I wasn't paying an awful lot of attention at that stage.)

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  149. BoxManLockeMay 7, 2015 at 8:07 AM

    We are. There was only one track of footprints leading out of the bathroom and he was the only one close to her.

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  150. BoxManLockeMay 7, 2015 at 8:09 AM

    Well you never what part of the fanbase Nielsen viewers belong to, but Charlie was always waaaaay more popular than what commenters on SpoilerTV or IMDB suggested ^^

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  151. Tom SimsMay 7, 2015 at 8:48 AM

    Every single character that appeared in this episode deserved better.

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  152. BoxManLockeMay 7, 2015 at 8:56 AM

    Castiel can't win a fight to save his life though. Had to be saved by Metatron and Claire ffs

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  153. ViolueMay 7, 2015 at 9:14 AM

    I think even if I didn't like Charlie I'd hate this episode. Sloppy, sloppy writing.

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  154. Nam Myoung-HeeMay 7, 2015 at 9:24 AM

    I think the writers are doing a sabotage in season 10 writings. I think it would be better that I will do a sabotage in watching season finale.

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  155. Cor MalumMay 7, 2015 at 9:44 AM

    Well...another show that I won't be watching anymore.

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  156. SeanMay 7, 2015 at 10:01 AM

    Thanks.
    A one-armed man who was presumably suffering from blood loss being able to kill (and kill bloody) Charlie does seem seriously dodgy.

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  157. Catherine DubyanskyMay 7, 2015 at 10:04 AM

    No, not exactly. I've voted 'awful', but final scene satisfied me completely. There are many other reasons to click 'awful'.

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  158. Catherine DubyanskyMay 7, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    One and only Sam's fault is to entrust the moron angel to protect one woman. Sam should keep in his mind what had happened when Cas went to the store. Heaven crumbled.

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  159. svesnimakMay 7, 2015 at 10:58 AM

    What about Dean in Lazarus Rising? He also brought back Sam (although only physically). They were both completely dead.

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  160. A Bad PersonMay 7, 2015 at 11:08 AM

    Do you remember last episode when Cas was apologising to Amelia for not being able to heal her as much as he would have liked to? He mentioned how 'once' he would have been able to do it, which implies that either (a) Metatron's been fiddling around with his grace or (b) a sizeable portion of it was used up during the spell to cast the angels out of heaven. It should also be noted that Cas was unable to bring Amelia back to life as well, which does seem to suggest that he does not possess the same level power as he did before - at least in contrast to an angel like Gadrel, who last season, was reviving people like it was about to go out of style.

    Yeah, I know, I know, it was a single line of dialogue. But I believe were meant to infer from that why it is that Castiel can't yank Charlie (and others!) back into the land of the living.

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  161. chris684May 7, 2015 at 11:22 AM

    When Dean leaves the room, leaving him chained up, I couldn't help but think of all of the fandom wank about leaving Abaddon alone. But really - not aimed at you specifically - but I'm tired of the fandom's constant need to assign blame whenever something bad happens. One of the first things we learned about the Winchester world is that their world is much too dangerous for everyone. It's why they fight it.


    In response to other comments on this thread, thinking more about Charlie, I don't think it was OOC for her to go off on her own. She's always been portrayed as a very independent character who grew up with little family so is not used to having to report in to anyone, who takes huge chances (such as going off to Oz). Plus, she was alone at the beginning of the episode before Sam met with her. The Stynes were looking for her and the book then, and they were looking for her a few hours later when she returned to her motel room.

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  162. Catherine DubyanskyMay 7, 2015 at 11:32 AM

    Miss Opportunities Season

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  163. chris684May 7, 2015 at 11:48 AM

    One thing I don't understand is why it's so important to have someone "represent" fans on the show. I'm a female, and I watch and love a number of show with strong female leads, but I'm equally okay with shows that are male-centric too. This show has always had a male-only family at its core (not counting Mary because she was killed in the pilot flashbacks), while other miscellaneous characters come and go. My two cents anyway, for what it's worth.

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  164. Joy HaldarMay 7, 2015 at 12:59 PM

    Sad and Tragic ending-I have disliked Charlie for quite some time now but i never thought the writers would get rid of the character like that.Brutally murdered,really?That's a low blow!
    Let the blame game begin!

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  165. RossMay 7, 2015 at 1:09 PM

    Why's that?

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  166. lala2May 7, 2015 at 1:09 PM

    Ugh . . . I'm watching it now before I head off to work, and I just had to stop and post my complete frustration with this crappy, NON-STORY that is the MOC. Sam just told Rowena that Dean was getting worse, and he just told Charlie that Dean would be "gone" soon if they didn't find this cure. I'm sorry but . . . . . WHAT IS HE TALKING ABOUT?!?!?!?!!??! I feel like pulling out my hair b/c I see absolutely NOTHING WRONG w/Dean! How is Dean getting worse? How was he bad in the first place? So Dean enjoys hunting right now . . . . okay . . . . since when hasn't Dean enjoyed hunting?!?! Who is writing this show? This story sucks! It just does not work for me. It is all "tell" and no "show." I want to see Dean's "violent urges, creepy visions, and dark thoughts." He is mostly seen behaving normally.

    And I don't care what anyone says . . . . there is literally NO legitimate reason Sam is keeping this a secret from Dean. What would Dean do if he knew? Kill Sam? Lock Sam up? I doubt it. He'd likely do nothing. This is just manufactured, contrived drama since the writers are clearly out of new, fresh ideas.
    I did just love Castiel's call to Sam that Dean intercepted. That scene was hilarious.

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  167. Michele KlingerMay 7, 2015 at 1:15 PM

    Part of me kinda saw the ending coming, but I was hoping she would survive. AND THE WAY SHE WENT OUT WAS BRUTAL! I was not OK after that

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  168. chris684May 7, 2015 at 1:18 PM

    Dean would get dictatorial about having his way, but I miss the Sam that would just say, "I'm doing what I'm doing just because ..." But unfortunately the writers decided they needed to rewrite Sam's character and have the rebellious younger brother afraid to stand up to Dean now.


    I agree with you that the "Dean's getting worse" was almost played to a comical level this week because Dean seemed like the most well-adjusted person in the episode.

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  169. Cor MalumMay 7, 2015 at 1:30 PM

    Killed off the female protagonist for cheap sensationalistic effect and contrived drama just once too often, for my taste. The show has become more and more repetitive with each season. Time for it to end.

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  170. lala2May 7, 2015 at 1:56 PM

    Exactly! Where is the Sam of old who would tell Dean he was going to do what he wanted when it came to saving Dean? What does Sam think Dean would do to him anyway? Why can't he tell Dean he's researching it? What is the point of the manufactured angst and conflict? Isn't the MOC enough of an external conflict? Why must we always get an internal conflict?
    I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees ZERO problem w/Dean. He seems fine and well-adjusted to me. The idea that he's gonna go insane b/c Charlie died is just . . .. ugh. I wish he would have been on the edge this entire season instead of very well-adjusted!

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  171. chris684May 7, 2015 at 2:01 PM

    Yeah, I've stopped commenting on how well Dean seems to be doing because I felt like I was beating a dead horse, but it was noted. I was thinking about that when I was watching the episode.

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  172. malooseMay 7, 2015 at 2:02 PM

    Aside from bending extremely backward to create a tragic situation to set Dean off, I liked the episode, it was entertaining. I even LOLed at Rowena in "for Dean" part, the character I usually FF when she was on screen. She wasn't even annoying, I don't know why Charlie was that frustrated, ... of course plot demanded!

    And every time Sam said Dean is getting worse, I was stuck between laughing or crying over the massive urgency on a non-existent dilemma! I know Carver feels if he lets the story progress during the season, he'd spoil it, but this is ridiculous. It's like curing the mark is more damaging than the mark itself. We get it, Dean is controlling it, easily IMO, but at least show what worries Sam, like the physical set-back of not killing you dropped in 9.23, let Sam say like "I'm waking up every night by his nightmares" instead of just saying "he's getting worse". Worse how? The way they presented it, Dean would have lived happily, like poor Cain was with his bees, if there wasn't any trigger to snap them.

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  173. lala2May 7, 2015 at 2:05 PM

    I can't stop commenting on it though I try. Haha! It's just a big distraction to the ultimate story and everything Sam's doing. I see no reason to worry for Dean. And even if he goes on a rampage next week b/c Charlie died, unless he does something truly crazy, I won't feel his behavior will be any different than if Charlie had been killed and he DIDN'T have the MOC. He has behaved as Dean petty much all season IMO, making all of Sam's and Cas's concern seem OTT.

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  174. Sammy.WMay 7, 2015 at 2:27 PM

    Oh God my worst fear came true my poor Sammy but it was'nt his fault not really:(((( I have mixed feelings about this episode I mean it was intense and I have so many favorite scenes but i don't know i can't say that i really loved it I dont know why!!!! I wasnt a charlie fan but her death made me sad i know the writers had to kill her to make dean get darker but still...
    Cas can bring her back cant he?Why they didnt call him?
    Why did charlie go to that motel by herself? It doesnt' make any sense to me she knew the Stynes family were after her!BTW I like Stynes family i hope we will find out more about them.
    The scene that Dean confronted Sam about the book was awesome!!! I couldn't breathe at that moment !!! I think the guilt of charlie's death and knowing that Dean got darker because of him make Sam do something more stupid and desperate and he will sacrifice himself to save his btother in the finale! :(((

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  175. AnonymousMay 7, 2015 at 3:08 PM

    Of course it was a bad episode. It was written by Brad Buckner & Eugine Ross Lemming. When was the last time we got a GOOD episode out of them?


    BTW I don't understand why everyone is blaming Sam for Charlie's death. He warned Cas to not let her go alone because there were dangerous people looking for her. He SAID that, and Cas still left her alone and didn't even think to go look for the closest motel she could have gone to within 30 seconds?? I call BS on blaming Sam.

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  176. lala2May 7, 2015 at 3:21 PM

    And can someone please explain to me why Cas's wings are burned out?
    Cas lost his grace in Heaven. He was then sent to Earth as a human much like Anna who ripped out her grace and fell to Earth as a human. Anna hid her grace in a tree on Earth, and when she needed it, she retrieved it, used it to power up, and had full wings.
    Cas found his grace in a library on EARTH. He should have full wings and full powers. There is no reason his wings should be burned out!

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  177. lala2May 7, 2015 at 3:26 PM

    Sam is definitely not to blame for Charlie's death. She went into this eyes wide open. It's not like Kevin's death last year when Dean should have warned Kevin to about the angel possessing Sam so Kevin could protect himself. Here, Sam gave Charlie all the info she needed. Plus, Charlie knew that family was hunting her b/c they had been doing so before she even met up w/Sam and Dean a few episodes ago. I'm sure Dean will blame Sam, but it's not Sam's fault she's dead.

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  178. lala2May 7, 2015 at 3:29 PM

    I couldn't agree more w/you about the MOC "non-story" as I like to call it. As you said, why don't they show us Dean's nightmares or violent urges. Give us a reason to buy into Sam's desperation. Jared is playing the desperation very well, but there's no story - IMO - to back it up.

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  179. lala2May 7, 2015 at 3:30 PM

    I know, right? How stupid was that?!?!?! They would never tie someone up like that. Ugh . . .

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  180. lala2May 7, 2015 at 3:34 PM

    Castiel should be able to revive her, but the writers forgot that he should have full wings and powers. I guess they think Cas fell to Earth like the other angels instead of being sent to Earth as a human b/c his grace was extracted in HEAVEN!!!! Anna ripped out her own grace in Heaven and still had full wings when she retrieved her grace so why doesn't Cas?

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  181. lala2May 7, 2015 at 3:37 PM

    I agree. This show has never needed a female representative IMO. It's nice to have one, but it's not necessary. I couldn't care less about Charlie dying. I was not a fan of the character.

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  182. lala2May 7, 2015 at 3:41 PM

    Hahaha . . . true but when he needs to be, Cas is written to be quite powerful so Charlie was in good hands. She chose to ditch Cas.
    What I found confusing is why Sam told Cas he couldn't leave Rowena alone. Huh? She had been alone for a few days/weeks before Sam involved Castiel and Charlie in his plans so why couldn't she be left by herself?

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  183. Edward HillMay 7, 2015 at 3:42 PM

    Man I enjoyed the episode and thought it was overall a positive step forward from how supernatural has been. I mean the general Rowena and Sam lying to Dean storylines were garbage and Crowley talking to the Gerbil was cringeworthy. However the revelation that the Stiens are the Frankenstein I had been thinking for a while now. The last few years I was hoping that super would incorporate the Frankenstein Monster into their mythology in some point. Although not the way I would of done it, it is a creative step forward in the show and gave a feel of the old supernatural as well as a new horror direction that the show could take if they desired. The death of Charlie was a nice catalyst and really was needed to bring the brothers to the forefront of the story. I loved her character but the way they had used her this season really had me disheartened to the point that I am glad that they were able to salvage the character in my eyes with her death.

    Now my big hope is that the brothers will unleash the Frankenstein monster in the finale giving us a cohesive big bad for the next season. Probably will not happen seeing as how they have handled their characters recently has been very lackluster but one can hope.

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  184. lala2May 7, 2015 at 3:42 PM

    Hahahahaha :-)

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  185. lala2May 7, 2015 at 3:44 PM

    Charlie's death is NOT Sam's fault. He told her the deal. She chose to help him. She chose to leave the dungeon/warehouse or wherever they were. She had the Stynes hunting her BEFORE she even hooked up w/Sam and Dean a few episodes ago.
    Charlie went into this eyes wide open. She wanted to help Dean, and she died for it. That's on her, not Sam. She could have refused to help Sam, or she could have put on her trusty iPod, tuned out Rowena, and just worked on her project in that dungeon.

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  186. lala2May 7, 2015 at 3:46 PM

    Cas can no longer "pop" to locations b/c this team mistakenly thinks his wings were burned out when they were NOT. They seem to have forgotten THEIR OWN STORY! Haha!

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  187. lala2May 7, 2015 at 3:46 PM

    His wings should not be ripped up though!

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  188. rehabberMay 7, 2015 at 3:51 PM

    If Charlie NEVER comes back I will say this was an EXCELLENT ep.

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  189. GForce92May 7, 2015 at 4:13 PM

    Because some of the male fans that follow the show do not agree with every TRAGIC comment that the show is dying or "Oh no it killed off a favorite character!". With sci-fi and horror sadly represented on TV and almost NO really good network shows based in those genres I'm glad to have Supernatural even if sometimes it can be a bit staid. But seriously the fandom on this show is the WORST fandom I have EVER seen on a show. Complains about everything when it could be the show is off the air and people have nom way to fill their dreary nights without being able to complain about something. I'm just glad the show is on the air for now, far worse things happen in life than a show letting some fans down.

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  190. GForce92May 7, 2015 at 4:15 PM

    With all due respect to your psychic abilities let's see how the rest of the episodes play out before we hate bang the show on the message boards ok?

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  191. ZauselMay 7, 2015 at 4:40 PM

    I reeeeally enjoyed this episode. Expect for the stupid Frankenstein part and i really dont understand how this epsiode get a 63% awful while the most boring episodes get an overall "awesome"

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  192. spnmonsterMay 7, 2015 at 4:51 PM

    She did, and that's one of the problems with the blame inevitably falling in Sam. Recognition of her sacrifice will be ignored.

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  193. malooseMay 7, 2015 at 5:00 PM

    LOL! I was waiting for your reaction ;D Now I want to read Tessa's gripe review! :)
    Actually I'm worried about it too, considering death doesn't mean goodbye in SPN, not to mention the absolute power of Sue!

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  194. sueMay 7, 2015 at 5:32 PM

    I will be the heartless one saying the writing was pretty much on the wall for Charlie to go. Sad to see her go I like her with the boys. I am not blaming Sam yes they could have kept her safe but the Stynes I think would have hunt her down no matter what I think the guys should have let her stay at the bunker until the family bit it. JMO. Felicia created a character that she was able to connect with Sam and Dean. I doubt the show will be cancelled in 1/2 season 11. I think S12 will be last my predication. I just hope Jody, Donna, claire and Alex live for that long. RIP charlie.

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  195. Golfluvr13May 7, 2015 at 6:25 PM

    Really?? People voting awful?? I would have preferred Rowena be the one dying, but Charlie going is ok with me.

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  196. Golfluvr13May 7, 2015 at 6:28 PM

    BoxMan, I do agree that the episode, and this season, are not the greatest. But I did not think this episode was awful. It was ok, but Rowena has got to go! I miss Cass getting decent story lines, and Crowley doing ANYTHING! UGH! I hope you are right about it becoming bearable again!

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  197. Ereth ReetnithMay 7, 2015 at 6:28 PM

    i c what everyone is saying but i don't get it: y r we mourning charlie like that? dead is not gone as in 'annihilated' as in 'no more' as in 'end' in this show. it has four realms: mortal, heaven, hell, and purgatory. (with probably a few adjacent dimensions like the land of Oz). nobody is gone, they just move to another realm. and more often than not, they come and go. of course, charlie not being on the mortal real any more, and the show mostly focusing on said mortal realm, means that we won't c her that much, but, though i shall miss her, she was a recurring character anyways, and i'm used to not seeing her much.
    the way she changed realms was a bit insulting though: charlie was clever and smart. no way she'd have gone to the motel by herself when she knew she was being hunted. nope.

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  198. Golfluvr13May 7, 2015 at 6:31 PM

    I agree about the product placement. It is getting annoying.
    I am fine with Charlie's death, but I would like to see more Cass and Crowley doing something other than being a 2 minute blurb in each show.

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  199. lesMay 7, 2015 at 6:47 PM

    They don't know how to pace their stories, been like that for a while. Just as I said the beginning 3 episodes, ok we getting to the bottom of it. All of sudden the middle of the season nothing happens just fillers. Then boom the last 3 episodes of the season "OMG Dean is so bad everything is collapsing". That's why I can't get into it like I would like too.

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  200. sharonallyMay 7, 2015 at 6:49 PM

    The show would have Dean blame Sam for his conception but in all honesty considering what happened last season and the consquences of him getting the MOC this season it would in reality be hard for Dean to justify anger at Sam.

    However this is SPN and the Sam blame game is a common occurrence .

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