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16 May 2015

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164 comments:

  1. AvonleaMist16 May 2015 at 02:03

    Well done finale. Goodnight, Kenneth. And the cliffhanger did not annoy me like they usually do. So that was who Trubel was talking to on the phone - she must have joined them and then gone rogue to come back to help Nick and they came to take her back.

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  2. aswanmalik16 May 2015 at 02:06

    Awesome episode, at least not a full cliffhanger,,, Prince Kenneth is KILLED by Nick, Rispolli KILLED by Hank, King Frederick drop out from plane by Meisner (he is back), and Juliette was Shot with Seigbarste Gift by Trubel

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  3. Rosember16 May 2015 at 02:06

    That was an awesome season finale. That fight that nick and kenneth had was pretty cool i was expecting that nick will kill him, although i wasn't expecting the assassin blade. The grimm gang attacking the hundjager's was also awesome. I really wasn't expecting that last scene with the FBI agent.

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  4. gta480116 May 2015 at 02:07

    Well that happened like I said before I don't think she was bad as everyone made her out to be and they obviously turned her just make Adalind look good and to me that's where the tragedy is. While I still think thier was more they could have done everyone is happy I guess.

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  5. Morrigan_257516 May 2015 at 02:10

    Well, they better not try and reverse that death because it was totally deserved. Loved the reveal of Meisner as Diana's savior! I loved him back in S2/3.

    I half worried that Trubel was working with Juliette and they were going to grey and pull a redemption storyline. I realized about 15 minutes before the end that Trubel was probably speaking to the the FBI lady.

    in the end I'm glad it was Trubel, I didn't want Nick to live with that. Actually I wouldn't want any of them to life with that and Trubel did care for Juliette but she's also a Grimm and knows what has to be done.

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  6. Mar Tim16 May 2015 at 02:10

    Great finale. This show grows each season

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  7. Lammy16 May 2015 at 02:12

    Well, I'm not happy. And I won't be back for Season Five. The way they derailed Juliette just to shoehorn Adalind is disgraceful writing and it's disgraceful that everyone just accepts it instead of recognizing it for the lazy writing that it is.

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  8. Justin Baptista16 May 2015 at 02:16

    Great finale. I applaud the writers for going all the way with Dark Juliet, right up to the inevitable, tragic outcome.

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  9. Monique7516 May 2015 at 02:16

    Have to say I really loved that they set it up to have Kenneth be Jack the Ripper. And the bit with Wu and the shot gun added a little levity to a dark episode. I wasn't as crazy about the "cliffhanger;" I think it would have been better to go to black with Nick choking Juliette and her saying "Go ahead and kill me."

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  10. Bruce_F16 May 2015 at 02:17

    Really good finale. Funny, crazy, and hectic. I would have been okay with Juliette staying on as a villain but this is fine too.

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  11. Vanessia Dawson16 May 2015 at 02:17

    Good Finale, I love that they bring back Meisner as Diana's Savior and I'm wondering what will happen to her next, especially if she learns that her mother is expecting her little brother and I'm glad that Nick finally have vengeance on Kenneth for his mother's death also Renard frame Kenneth for the Jack the Ripper murders and I'm sorry for the end of the Nick and Juliette romance!

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  12. AvonleaMist16 May 2015 at 02:18

    There were many good things apart from the whole Juliette business. It was a great episode and the positives about the show far outweigh the negatives. Loved Wu insisting on being part of the team. And had been waiting for Diana to show her colors , though I still do not understand why she did not save Kelly which she could have done. You might want to peek in at the show next season to see where it goes in spite of your disgust.

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  13. gta480116 May 2015 at 02:19

    I know but I'll still keep watching I love the show but people can say she was annoying all you want but not even she deserved too be killed off like that nobody too me can justify it and wonder how going to fit Adalind in with them because unlike Adalind Juliette atleast proved to be useful and competent when given the chance and new how too take care of herself

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  14. mag16 May 2015 at 02:21

    Loved the finale, I loved the fight with Nick and Kenneth and I am glad Nick was the one to kill him and I am also happy Juliet is dead, there really was no going back from all the things she has been doing and she liked the way she was and didn't want to change so that was the right way to finish her off. I figured Trubel was going to be the one to kill Juliet so that Nick wouldn't have to be the one to kill her.

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  15. gta480116 May 2015 at 02:23

    And you gotta admit for most of this season Juliette was pretty badass

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  16. James16 May 2015 at 02:24

    Awesome finale, and it never failed to disappoint.

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  17. James16 May 2015 at 02:25

    Never underestimate a former champion of MTV's The Challenge who once allowed himself to be buried alive on Road Rules. :D

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  18. Rosember16 May 2015 at 02:30

    We don't know if she is going to die. I know that she is dying in the last scene but she still can survive, look at Reynard for example he was shot in the chest like six times then he died but was revived. You should probably watch season 5 at least to make sure she is actually dead before complaining.

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  19. Gladiator16 May 2015 at 02:52

    The Hexenbiest had to go. Bye Juliette.

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  20. James16 May 2015 at 03:02

    DG/JK shot that part down. They said on TVLine that Juliette is dead-dead for realz.

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  21. AvonleaMist16 May 2015 at 03:05

    I was wondering about that too but in an interview the shows EPs said she is really gone but then they were being rather silly and joking around and not giving a single straight answer to any question asked of them. But whatever happens, I shall be back because the show is setting up some interesting avenues - better than some they have followed in the past.

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  22. AvonleaMist16 May 2015 at 03:07

    I was so glad too that it was not Nick that killed her.

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  23. elle j.16 May 2015 at 03:09

    I don't understand the moral of the story in the destruction of Juliette's character. In the beginning, she and Nick truly loved each other and wanted to spend their lives together. They were temporarily pulled apart due to Adalind's scheming that caused Juliette to lose her memory. Against all odds, Juliette gets her memory and life back with Nick. She stayed by Nick's side, never waivering in her commitment to him even under the extraordinary circumstances of him being a Grimm. Adalind strikes again, only Nick is the victim this time and he loses his powers. Juliette sacrifices any chance at a normal life because she knows Nick wants his powers back because being a Grimm is his calling in life. Not only that, Juliette sees that Monroe and Rosalee need protection from the Wesen hate mongers who consider their marriage to be an abomination. Juliette puts the needs of Nick, Monroe, and Rosalee above her own safety to take the potion which restores Nick's powers.

    Juliette's selfless actions are rewarded by her being cursed a Hexenbeist. Not only that, but she sees Adalind steal a precious part of the life Juliette wanted with Nick when Adalind shows up pregnant with Nick's son. A child conceived under really terrible circumstances because it wasn't a consentual act on Nick's part. I don't think it was the Hexenbeist that was Juliette's undoing. It was Juliette seeing the protectiveness Nick once gave her was now Adalind's.

    In the end, Juliette is dead. Adalind is now a part of Nick's life. The people in Nick's life has accepted her into their group. Adalind's past misdeeds have apparently been overlooked without doing one single thing to earn redemption. On the other hand, Juliette put the needs of others first and made sacrifices that would ultimately lead to her death. Where is the justice in any of this? I understand the good guys will face trials and tribulations, but aren't they supposed to win in the end? Isn't that supposed to be the moral of the story?

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  24. Graydon16 May 2015 at 03:14

    Not necessarily. There doesn't have to be a moral of any story.

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  25. Leon16 May 2015 at 03:21

    The good guys don't win every time.
    And I don't think the group has exactly forgiven Adalind.

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  26. JJ16 May 2015 at 03:27

    Juliette is gone for good!? Well then I might start watching consistently again next season. Although I really think it's in the shows best interest to start to wind down next season and come to a nice conclusion. Some of the clunky writing of this season and the previous ones is starting to catch up and I think it's time for the show to end soon before it drags out to much. But at least I won't have to deal with later seasons Juliette who become really annoying and murderous towards the end of this season.

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  27. elle j.16 May 2015 at 03:29

    I don't think they have completely forgiven Adalind either, but they have begrudgingly accepted her into their group because she is now connected to Nick. It's because of that connection that Adalind doesn't have to earn forgiveness or work for redemption.

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  28. AvonleaMist16 May 2015 at 03:31

    Yes, they did destroy a good loyal person's character. I wonder if there are not consequences we do not foresee as yet.

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  29. Leon16 May 2015 at 03:33

    Well in my mind Nick and Adalind will come to some kind of arrangement with their child. Leaving Adalind to sometimes pop-up, but mostly outside of the group.

    In an ideal situation this child is a grimm and no way Adalind can take care of that :)
    That leaves Renard's child, maybe the resistance contacts Nick and that can be solved too.

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  30. JJ16 May 2015 at 03:42

    I get what you are saying but I also think this show is not alone in doing this kind of overlooking a terrible, cruel characters past actions. I mean even Buffy had Spike who did some awful things including sexually assaulting Buffy that one episode yet he still had times when he was accepted in to the group in a very similar begrudging way like Adalind is. I don't think they have forgiven Adalind for all her past actions but they aren't going to kick her out on the street with Nicks baby either and leave both to suffer. Plus lets be honest the gang has done some bad things back to Adalind like taking her daughter away from her and not telling her where she is. Not that I didn't get their reasoning but still they stole her daughter away. She kind of has a right to dislike them or be weary too. The gang as much as I like them isn't always the most perfect moral group either. They have done their fair share of brutal acts just in the name of their cause instead of Adalind's side.

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  31. migotka2116 May 2015 at 03:49

    1 Hexenbiest, 2 are still around or maybe 3 if the new soon-to-be-born baby is a girl, too.

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  32. Supermak16 May 2015 at 03:51

    i don't know, i still have some doubts about her being dead. this is grimm after all.

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  33. elle j.16 May 2015 at 03:53

    I almost wish Nick had been the one to kill Juliette. Juliette went to Nick's on a suicide mission. She went there to die, hoping ... even begging Nick to put her out of her misery. It would've been one last act of love on Nick's part to kill Juliette. It also would've been poetic justice because it would've forced Nick to face the consequences that Juliette ultimately paid for his own actions and choices.

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  34. kayell16 May 2015 at 03:53

    Compared to PoI, Blacklist, and Gotham, this tops my list of the best finale this season.

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  35. Supermak16 May 2015 at 03:54

    even if it's a boy, Renard is part hexenbiest after all. nick kid is gonna be half grimm half hexenbiest.

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  36. Malise1716 May 2015 at 03:57

    I put awesome because we had lots of very good parts in that episode ... I was never a fan of Juliette but I don't like the twisted way they made her become ... and I don't like the fact that Adalind is "A good" one now...
    But once again it was a good Finale !!!

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  37. phnxgrl16 May 2015 at 04:13

    Lots of deserved deaths! Why didn't Juliette leave with the royals?

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  38. MeatyStakes16 May 2015 at 04:14

    Is Juliette really dead? I think there's something missing with her and Diana. Also, the resistance appeared out of fucking nowhere! Nice twist tho,


    I guess Bitsie wanted out, cause would could have had an amazing season of Darth Juliette.

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  39. MeatyStakes16 May 2015 at 04:17

    I love Darth Juliette too much just to let her go, she could have been such an awesome villain, when she said "I still love you, I guess some things just don't go away" my heart broke, and I wanted her to escape and return more evil than ever next season.

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  40. Volcanalis16 May 2015 at 05:00

    Great episode. Grimm Nick is way cooler than cop Nick

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  41. Isidra16 May 2015 at 05:06

    Honestly, as much as I really like Juliette, that begging was to throw him off. As soon as he let her go, she did her best to kill him.

    Which actions and choices do you mean? You mean when Adalind raped and depowered him and she willingly chose to assist him in getting his powers back?

    Honestly, they're both victims in this storyline. It's very sad.

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  42. Isidra16 May 2015 at 05:09

    We don't honestly know if the death is permanent. It might be, but it might not. The fact that there is a season 5 indicates that the story isn't ending yet.

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  43. Gohier12316 May 2015 at 05:09

    "Darth Juliette" - perfect. I'm so pissed I didn't think of that first. Well done.

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  44. AvonleaMist16 May 2015 at 05:13

    Yes, it did seem as if she went to die. I wonder what drove the writers to take this path for an innocent character. Something behind the scenes that we do not know about? Maybe Bitsie the actress wanted to leave so they took dramatic license? But she seemed very happy living in Portland and she and David are a real life couple so I wonder what the rationale was. If Juliette's heretofore unmentioned twin sister shows up next season.... Oh,boy.....

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  45. Graydon16 May 2015 at 05:14

    Nah, the tragedy of her being Nick's great love who got into this life, and became what Nick hunted and a twisted shell of her self that Nick hated but still couldn't kill is far more interesting. The tragedy of it is- not just the whole she lost her soul to save Nick and her friends part, but also that Aunt Marie was right that by being a Grimm he had to give Juliette up or a price would be paid is beautiful. As shown by that final scene of a despondent, anguished Nick just holding her boy.

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  46. maurocf16 May 2015 at 05:18

    No! Juliette my favorite is not allowed to die. Or i'll stop watching this.

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  47. MeatyStakes16 May 2015 at 05:20

    Well, even if she escaped this season, it would have still ended up in the same place in the future, but we would have had another interesting story in the meantime.

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  48. Graydon16 May 2015 at 05:28

    Or we would have had an unnecessarily drawn out arc. Juliette as a villain had an expiry date, and this was it. Any longer and the writers would've lost any sense of urgency.

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  49. MeatyStakes16 May 2015 at 05:31

    Until she killed Kelly there wasn't really an urgency to get rid of her, so it wasn't like something the whole season built towards. So, I really think it could have been a great arc to get to know the royals.

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  50. Graydon16 May 2015 at 05:38

    Which you could do without Juliette, and her being alive would've undercut the need for closure on this story, and why she did all this: because she blamed Nick for everything. Her goals were never about the Royals, purely making him pay so her returning out of guilt over his mom's death made sense to whatever humanity was left in her and then telling Nick to kill her, but at the same time punishing him for being too weak not to and demonstrating how far gone she was yet still how tragic the situation was. Making her a full on villain who weirdly delayed hurting Nick would so contrived just to keep a story that didn't need continuation going, even more so if it were just a way to use the Royals. And the season since at least 4x07 has been building here.

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  51. MeatyStakes16 May 2015 at 05:42

    Only the least two episodes were about making Juliette "irredeemable", the season has been building to something with her since ep 7, but not her demise necessarily.


    A living, evil Juliette would be a constant reminder of Nick's failure, and I would have welcomed a plot for Juliette that didn't revolve about Nick all the time. She could have been more, it's all I'm saying.

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  52. Graydon16 May 2015 at 05:59

    And I feel she was enough.This was a tragic reminder of what happens when you involve people you care about in your life if you're not careful. And her death and that pain Nick felt, and the loss of his mom because of her is a reminder of that. Her being around would just be too almost will they won't they kill each other and I don't want that for this show.

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  53. MeatyStakes16 May 2015 at 06:05

    Yeah but that's saying that Juliette it's just a plot point to give Nick some drama; she could have been more.

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  54. Tom16 May 2015 at 06:10

    This season was one long, tedious grind that ended up with a nonsensical ending. Or, more appropriately, a nonsensical nonending. Where did the Resistance come from? Why didn't Juliette get on the chopper? When was Trubel appointed the official series fixer? Watching her bail Nick out of all his predicaments absolutely killed whatever suspense was left. And what's with make believe Kelly? No one could seriously believe that fake head was hers or that she wasn't being portrayed by a stand in. And now that Juliette's dead, how much do you want to bet she'll miraculously survive anyway? Sorry folks, but this season was a write off.

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  55. JJ THE EXPAT16 May 2015 at 06:15

    Glad they got rid of the Royals (except for Shawn). I really do hope that Juliette is dead. I don't get Nick's reaction. She's responsible for the death of his mom. I would have ganked that bitch without a second thought.

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  56. ragul16 May 2015 at 06:27

    YAY ,juliette is DEAD DEAD.
    gotta give writers a BIG kudos.
    gutsy move,

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  57. James16 May 2015 at 06:32

    Juliette was and still is the love of his life. Killing her in cold-blood by him is easier said than done.

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  58. James16 May 2015 at 06:40

    1. The Resistance must have been in contact with Kelly and she probably arranged contingency plans in case things go south for her and Diana.
    2. Final boss fight? Those two still have a lot to settle.
    3. We still don't know what even brought her to Portland in the first place but she just followed what Nick told her to do and when Nick couldn't, Trubel had no choice but take Juliette out herself so he won't feel guilty killing her.
    4. The actress had a prior pilot commitment (which has since been picked up to series) and couldn't really make it back to the show in time so the producers and her just arranged a quick ADR session and wrote her character's re-entrance in a way that turned out to be one well-executed off-screen death sequence without physically having her on set.
    5. And as of the recent TVLine interview, the EP's stated that both Juliette and Kelly will stay dead-dead. Considering Kenneth was the one leading the ambush on Kelly in the penultimate episode, it's safe to say that he personally beheaded her and wrapped her head into an early birthday present for Nick.

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  59. elle j.16 May 2015 at 06:41

    I really question if Juliette would've gone in for the kill. I think she still would have fought Nick until he delivered the lethal blow. If the confrontation scene in Rosalee's shop is any indication, Juliette as a Hexenbeist was stronger than Nick and could've killed him.

    I think Nick made one bad choice after another since Juliette told him the truth. I can't find fault with his intial reation of shock, fear, and repulsion to Juliette in Hexenbeist form. The way he handled if afterwards has been a disaster. I think the tipping point of Juliette feeling alienated happened when she met the gang at Rosalee's shop. Juliette was calm and cooperative until she realized Nick told Hank what had happened. She felt betrayed that Nick told Hank something so intensely private and personal. In that second, Juliette's facial expression turned from sincerity to malevolence. Worse yet, Nick demanded Juliette tell Monroe and Rosalee or he would. Juliette felt cornered, lost control, and went on the attack.

    Then Juliette landed in jail. Nick's response was to leave her there until he could get to her. She was almost an afterthought to Nick after his police work and then Adalind. That gave Kenneth the perfect opportunity to turn Juliette by bailing her out and then telling her about Adalind's pregnancy. When Juliette confronted Nick and Adalind in the police station, Nick protected Adalind and was inept in diffusing the situation. To make matters worse, Nick, Hank, Wu, and Renard took a defensive position and treated Juliette as the enemy. It all went down hill from there, starting with Juliette burning the trailer.

    I also think Nick and Juliette are victims in this tragedy. I'm just having a hard time with the writers destroying and then killing a character who was a good, kind person with the best of intentions. Also, I just can't watch Adalind claiming the life that should've been Juliette's ... starting with having Nick's child.

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  60. James16 May 2015 at 06:42

    Good analysis.

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  61. magnutude16 May 2015 at 06:56

    Enjoyable finale that had some cool and tragic action while setting up the line for next season. It wasn't without it's holes (that still could be overlooked because I enjoyed the ep): Kenneth getting arrested and then apparently escaped/killed while in Wu's custody - wouldn't look good for wu, the mansion assault was cool, but when it's obvious that the helicopter is the means of escape, you'd think that they'd have someone going straight for the helo to cut off the escape, and of course Juliette not getting on the helo (I'm guessing that there was more that was edited out as the king seemed pretty turned on to have Juliette along for the ride as well as having diana), the sudden appearance of the Resistance (although I love having Meisner back and wouldn't mind him recurring a bit more as I enjoyed his character before), and Juliette's demise would have to be explained (if she had any family), but all of these I can overlook for now. Even though the season turns of both Juliette/Adalind felt a bit rushed and a bit gimmicky at first, I didn't mind the outcomes too much and will wait to see how the writers develop things from here. I hope they don't go down the romance path for Nick/Ad at least not anytime soon, and I wouldn't mind seeing something between Adalind/Meisner if they have to do a romance arc. I guess with the King out of play, it might be a good guess that Viktor might ascend to the throne as the next big Bad.

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  62. Jamie Horne16 May 2015 at 07:02

    I wonder what that fbi lady going to do with nick now he a grimm again

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  63. Mindy16 May 2015 at 07:07

    They probably are lying. At this point I wouldn't trust anything out of the EPs mouths again, considering practically all but a few of the spoilers they gave for the last two episodes were complete red herrings. But I still don't believe she's actually dead.

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  64. Mindy16 May 2015 at 07:10

    Adalind already said to Nick that the new baby is a boy.

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  65. Mindy16 May 2015 at 07:13

    I honestly don't believe she's really dead, at least not completely or permanently. There's always a way to bring a character back from the dead at least in this genre.

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  66. Mindy16 May 2015 at 07:21

    I think she wanted to get revenge with Nick and settle the score at least once and for all. Of course, it's entirely possible that at least some of the remorse she was expressing to Nick is genuine, but then again she's a hexenbiest. I don't think she truly had a death wish, rather that she wanted to test Nick's resolve and maybe also try to kill him. It was interesting how in the end, Nick hesitated and was unable to kill Juliette, when she shared absolutely none of his sentiment and would've killed him had it not been for Trubel.


    My biggest concern is with the secret group that came to collect Trubel after she killed Juliette. If that were merely a recon mission to retrieve Trubel, then why did they send so many people in to Nick's house? Obviously, this group has some ulterior motive that still remains to be seen, and it's quite possible that they planned on kidnapping Nick as well. Something about that whole situation really doesn't bode well, especially given that Nick is practically for all intensive purposes emotionally paralyzed and wouldn't be able to defend himself if this group had some sinister motives.

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  67. Mindy16 May 2015 at 07:24

    I still have a lot of trouble believing Juliette will actually stay dead, at this point I'll only believe it when I see it. Unless there is a 100% confirmation from both the EPs and the actress herself, I'm not really buying it.

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  68. Mindy16 May 2015 at 07:26

    Probably nothing good, especially considering that he's essentially emotionally paralyzed after everything that transpired these last two episodes.

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  69. arrowshieldfan16 May 2015 at 07:32

    She probably the new villain for season 5......she could sent Nick to jail for some crime but she seem to want Trubel for some reason

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  70. Isidra16 May 2015 at 07:45

    Honestly, I remember the spice shop conversation differently than you did. She was there for help, but she appeared to go hostile as soon as she saw Nick, quite a bit before she realized he'd told Hank. (To me, it's a bit unreasonable to expect someone not to need to confide in their closest friend, but I certainly understand why Juliette was upset.)

    I don't disagree that Nick mishandled the situation, but I don't think it's fair to pin Juliette's descent on him. At least as far as we could see from the show, Juliette made her own decisions. She also never really gave her rape victim boyfriend much of a chance to process her transformation before trying to force him to kiss her. She then ignored his attempts to communicate before she trashed the bar and assaulted a number of people. Was Nick right to keep her in jail? Probably not, but she's the one who escalated to violence first. She then decided to interpret the fact that he didn't want her to murder a pregnant woman as him "siding" with Adalind.

    I think we can agree that she wasn't completely in her right mind by then, but it was a terrible situation all around. I'm not sure there was a right way to handle the situation.

    If there's anyone to blame for the situation, it's Adalind. (One can, I suppose, argue that she never intended it to happen. But it was still directly caused by her actions.) But it really isn't fair to blame Nick for it since he was a victim as well.

    (Please don't think I'm saying you're wrong to dislike the writers' choices, however. )

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  71. Isidra16 May 2015 at 07:48

    Is Meisner working for the Resistance or is he still working directly for Renard? I figured Renard had him infiltrate the King's service just like Sebastien had infiltrated Eric's/Viktor's.

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  72. prpleight16 May 2015 at 08:08

    They just couldn't resist a cliff hanger could they. LOL What kind of trouble did Trubel get herself into? Sigh.


    I was extremely happy that they ended this story. I found the endings very satisfactory. Absolutely loved seeing Kenneth get his ass kicked. I hate arrogant people...this guy was arrogant. And yay. Apparently Diana didn't just grow faster physically. Her dealing with the situation was fairly mature. No temper tantrums. No tears. Just make the grown ups think you're going along with their wishes and WHAM just wait for the guy who birthed you to show up and toss the king out of the helicopter.


    And Wu and Bud both get MVP awards in this ep! They were awesome.

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  73. Spiritus Luan16 May 2015 at 08:15

    This has only one reason; CHEMISTRY. Adalind has a lot with Nick and juliette Not, and she had 4 years for show this. End of the story.

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  74. Spiritus Luan16 May 2015 at 08:21

    This FINALE WAS JUST BRILLIANT! the best in a show ever in a long time. Everyone had the worthy end, even Juliette. She had not possible redemption after what she did with Kelly and the trailer, or even Diana. She had even luck because Nick felt sorry by her in the last minute. She was killed by Trubel, because she´s a true Grimm and Juliette was gonna to kill as hexenbiest to Nick.
    Kenneth was the most brilliant royal ever, but he lost all my respect when killed Kelly in such coward way. The king can not fly as Kouf said haha!!! And finally will have a new member for our Scooby Gang, Adalind, and with her a great chemistry for Nick in the next season. The woman that was his Nemesis now will be a good friend of him, and will need his protection, and i am looking a romantic halo that Kouf confirmed, thanks to God . But Nick is gonna need a lot of time for himself by his mourning by his mother and Juliette. He is a very good hero.

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  75. elle j.16 May 2015 at 08:27

    That's right ... Juliette did go to see Rosalee and Monroe for help and was surprised to see Nick and Hank there. I do remember though the terrible, pained expression on Juliette's face when she realized Nick told Hank and how betrayed she felt. Nick went on to demand Juliette tell Monroe and Rosalee with the rest being history.

    Do I blame Nick for Juliette's decline. No, but I do believe he could've handled matters differently. I'm one of those rare people who thinks it wasn't Juliette who was responsible for her actions, it was the Hexenbeist that took control over her. Someone on Grimm's Facebook made an interesting comparison for what happened to Juliette.

    I don't know if you've seen the show Angel, but it's like when Angelis took control of Angel. Angelis was an evil vampire who killed a gypsy girl. The gypsies in turn cursed Angelis by giving him the humanity he once possessed before becoming a vampire so he could suffer for all of his evil deeds. The second part of the curse was if Angel were to experience true happiness, he would become Angelis again. Angel slept with Buffy and that happiness turned him back into Angelis. Through a series of events, Angel regained his humanity and was not held responsible for Angelis's murderous actions. That's how I see Juliette. A spell using dark magic cursed her into a Hexenbeist and the Wesen took control of Juliette. I was hoping to see Juliette regain her humanity and life, but that doesn't look like it's going to happen now.

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  76. Lord Nikon16 May 2015 at 08:47

    Awesome finale i love that the royals are no longer. As for the woman in the end, can anyone please remind me who she is.

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  77. CNH16 May 2015 at 08:53

    She's that mystery FBI woman who's also a wessen (if I'm not mistaken) who took Tubel to recruit her for something. She's not royal, she's not resistance, she's not wessen KKK. We don't know what group she works with. But anyway yeah she was in one of Tubel's first episodes abound the time the other grimm dude's son was in it freaking out about being attached by wessen.

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  78. Lord Nikon16 May 2015 at 08:54

    Yeah now i remember. She was trying to create Grimm special squad for taking care of threads to all that is outside of the law.

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  79. CNH16 May 2015 at 09:12

    That was the best episode of the season and perhaps entire show. I love love love the fact that Juliette is no more. I also thought she was the weakest link of the show, and at times it felt like they didn't know what to do with her. But then maybe that was the point, she didn't really belong in Nick's world 'and Aunt Marie and even Mamma Grimm tried to worn him of that and the potential danger she could bring. So I guess it went according to plan after all. Anyhow glad she's gone as Nick can concentrate on his job and being a Grimm and not on appeasing her all the time. :) And I for one am not going to miss her one little bit. :)
    I also loved the fact they we got rid of 2 royals with 1 stone. Kenneth was no match for a pissed of Nick. now that was a really good fight, best I've seen on this show (aside from the Nick/Sean fight). Nick is so bad a** when he taps into his Grimmness ( I just hope we see much much more of that next season). And the king, well he thought he could fly but at lest he had no wings. LOL Way to make a comeback Messier!!!!!! Does that mean that Sean is now King? or is the crown going to Victor? Something to wait and see about next season I suppose.
    One thing I would like to see next season is a Diane and Nick meeting. I mean she was intrigued by Mamma Grimm's locket (which had Nick's picture in it) when she was a baby and I want to know if there is something more to that then just a baby liking shiny things or if it had to with there being trace amounts of Nick's blood in Adeline when she conceived her. Also how is she going to handle being a big sister....to a Grimm no less?

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  80. James16 May 2015 at 09:27

    Meisner is affiliated with the Resistance and so does Sean himself. And YES to your theory that it could have been Sean who made those arrangements to get the King assasinated.

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  81. Isidra16 May 2015 at 09:29

    I think it's unfair to expect Nick to know everything the audience does.


    If you look at the Juliette Hexenbiest thing from his perspective, you get something like:


    Juliette woges, Nick freaks out and leaves -> Juliette demands he kiss her, he flinches, she gets upset and leaves -> He tries to call her, no answer -> She shows up at the spice shop, gets angry as soon as she sees him. He wants her to tell the others. She does, leaves -> She trashes a bar, assaults someone -> She's in jail, acts crazy when he comes to see her -> She's at the police station and wants to kill Adalind for what she's done to her.


    I might be missing a scene in there somewhere (I remember her picking up her things, but I can't remember when that happened). But really, that's not a lot of time or interaction when you think about it. It's definitely not enough time to be able to tell if she's possessed or just pissed off. And unfortunately, he can't just stop being a police officer or Grimm to take the time to find out, because he has to keep people from getting murdered.


    It's an awful situation all around.

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  82. TV_Watcher16 May 2015 at 10:09

    So is the sterile prince next in line?

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  83. gta480116 May 2015 at 11:43

    CHEMESTRY IS OVERATED

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  84. matt jobb16 May 2015 at 12:25

    couldnt Trubel do the same to Juliette whad Nick had done to Adalynd? Take her powers?


    very poor cliffhanger BTW

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  85. Nicolás Caballero Mühlbach16 May 2015 at 12:43

    So Juliette is dead? I'm not going to watch it anyway... Bye bye Grimm.

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  86. ivan16 May 2015 at 13:13

    I stopped watching when they went "Katrina" from Sleepy Hollow and "Barbara" from Gotham on Juliette

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  87. DebraFan16 May 2015 at 13:14

    Goodbye Grimm. And a goodbye to the fans too. I am stepping off the train here. It was a fun ride. :(

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  88. Nicolás Caballero Mühlbach16 May 2015 at 13:17

    EXACTLY.

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  89. Spiritus Luan16 May 2015 at 14:02

    Oh i don´t think so. Is the chemistry between characters what actually MAKE A SHOW and not only romantic chemistry, look in Xmen to Charles & Eric...

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  90. Bazooka16 May 2015 at 15:07

    Dbag dead, bitch dead and Meisner back. hree awesome twists. Can't wait for next season.

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  91. Rosember16 May 2015 at 16:45

    They mention in previous episodes that method doesn't work on her, because she was made not born a hexenbiest.

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  92. João Paulo16 May 2015 at 17:33

    Good finale, not a spectacular one. I think Juliette death is good thing, actually I would expect to see her out in the first season, but than she grow on me each season, so I happy she is gone, but I gonna miss the normal Juliette.

    I hope Adalind start her walk to redemption, I hope because of her kids she will change for better, I love her.

    I don't like how the royal king was defeated, I always thought that the royals was the ultimate villains of Grimm.



    Well, appears that the resistance will be a problem soon.

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  93. Bruce_F16 May 2015 at 17:36

    Agreed. No moral here. Just a reminder that Grimm fairy tales rarely had happy endings.

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  94. Isidra16 May 2015 at 17:37

    Chemistry is subjective. Personally, while I think Nick and Adalind make good adversaries. I don't see romantic chemistry between them. (Meisner and Adalind, on the other hand, have a lot of romantic chemistry, IMO) We'll have to see what the show-writers do.

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  95. david16 May 2015 at 17:52

    But they made Juliette super-powerful. She wasn't going to be killed in a fair fight. It had to be by surprise and sudden. Otherwise, Juliette would always win.

    Also, Adalind is a much more likable and interesting character than Juliette. Whether Adalind is evil, grey or good, she is much better than always-annoying Juliette.

    This season has been sort of like a tease where the writers torture you with all of Juliette's actions episode after episode and then finally kill her.

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  96. Spiritus Luan16 May 2015 at 18:04

    Well i think we have had enought sugar with Nick/Juliette as start again with Meisner and Adalind: Zzzz this would be a soap opera not a supernatural series.
    And between Meisner and Adalind would be a beautiful and almost plantonic respectul or friendship, but they don´t have the spice part, the sexy part, what Adalind had with Nick.
    For that i share the opinion of the writers, Adalind & Nick could develop an awesome relationship with a little of everything, the dangerous part, the romantic part and over all , the sexy part, and even like partners without romantic feelings. Adalind is pretty valuable for the Scooby´s gang,. Almost essential now that the trailer is gone. We can not think just in Nick, but in his team too. Meisner is who is taking care of Diana and the child trust in him. Is good in that way,

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  97. Jordana3416 May 2015 at 18:04

    The finale was awesome, and the fact that it included some of the show's best guest characters like Trubel, Meisner and Bud, made it even better. Despite some of the polarizing issues, I really think this season was the best one to date. After losing both his mother, and Juliette, I think we're going to see a much darker side of Nick next season, which should be very interesting. What happened to Juliette was heartbreaking, but this last season was the most interesting that her character has ever been. I also knew that Nick would not be able to kill her, regardless of everything and I'm glad that Trubel did it instead of him.. Adalind's story is another part that I look forward to next season and despite everything she did, I'm glad the writers made a point of trying to show things from her perspective. She's always had one of the more interesting interactions with Nick, and I'm curious to see how Nick is going to deal with her......I wouldn't be surprised if he resents her initially for what happened to his mother and Juliette, but having a baby together will definitely change things between them..


    So with the Royals and Juliette gone, I'm wondering who will be the new big villain next season...or are we going to have more Royals crawling out of the woodwork? Hopefully they'll also explore the mystery of the key So far, the story with the FBI hasn't been particularly interesting, but maybe it's building up to something much bigger, next season, involving Trubel, who I really hope can become a regular next season.

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  98. Bruce_F16 May 2015 at 18:08

    Reading through some of the responses to the episode, I thought I'd add an extra two cents to some specific topics:

    1. Unless the EPs are flat-out lying, Juliette is most definitely 100% dead. Not coming back dead. Read the post mortem if you haven't:
    http://tvline.com/2015/05/15/grimm-juliette-dies-dead-season-5-spoilers/
    2. I don't have a definitive answer to "why didn't Juliette get on the chopper?" but my guess is that she wanted this situation behind her once and for all. Either she had to die or Nick did and Juliette was okay with either outcome.
    3. The conspiracy theory that Grimm purposely "ruined" Juliette to make room for Adalind is silly. The only real "evidence" to that fact is that the character moves happened concurrently. The fact that they've had both characters on the show full-time since season two makes the idea even more silly.

    Lots of questions for next season:
    - Will there be a time jump or will they start right where they left off?
    - Do the Royals have any more bite left or will they fade into the background?
    - How much of the show will focus on the search for Diana?
    - How long before Diana grows even more and becomes too much for the Resistance to handle?
    - How will they explain Juliette's death to the cops and will Juliette's parents (if she has them) come looking for answers?
    - Who is Meisner really working for now and how flexible are his loyalties?
    - How did the Resistance know enough about what was going down to snatch Diana? Do they have another mole?
    - How much mopey, depressed Nick are we in for next season?
    - What are they going to do with Adalind? She has no money, no source of income, no home, and she's expecting? She's basically a homeless pregnant lady.
    - Will Trubel's trouble become Nick's trouble? I'm going to say this one is probably a "yes."

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  99. Spiritus Luan16 May 2015 at 18:11

    Adalind is living what dramatically is known as a "redemption Arc". Any character couldn´t suffer this change.
    Adalind was willingly depowered of her owns powers of hexenbiests for test in herself the cure for Juliette, she is making sacrifices now that before were impossibles for her.
    This is important for her. And with the thing of the rape, better use another, she lyed to him, of course. But is a very strong word for so amazing series like "Grimm". For much you love Juliette you must recognize as she was falling in the dark hole next to Kenneth at same time. I even while a time liked her very much as villain. I even was imagining the season 5: Kenneth and Juliette as the rulers of the Royals trying to destroy Nick´s Scooby Gang.
    But Juliette was pretty much stuck in her own darkness. Nick fought with all his strengths for recover her. But she never overcame the fact of Nick having a baby with Adalind. But i´m pretty sure if Juliette had taken the cure, Nick would back with her. Because she loved her until the last moment. But you know, when i saw the way in that Kenneth and Juliette killed Kelly they lost all my respect. Adalind was the object of envy of Juliette, but Adalind if would have her two children and a safe place for raise them, would let Nick for Juliette 100%. But the writers thought another thing, and i´m content with the new changes. A show must be broken and change, not stay always giving circles.

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  100. Bruce_F16 May 2015 at 18:11

    I have a hard time believing that the Royals are completely done for because without the Royals there's really no point to the Resistance either. You can't really have one without the other. Not long term anyway.

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  101. Spiritus Luan16 May 2015 at 18:15

    The GrimmWriters are the best! Great finale, i will say that a million of times!!! Thanks! Waiting by S5.

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  102. Biff Bifferson16 May 2015 at 18:50

    Juliette was finally a good character and they killed her - typical. Nick continues to be the dumbest stump in the forest. The badies are escaping by helicopter and Nick attacks the house - pure genius. And where's his mom's body? Are we supposed to believe that they killed her and then took it away somewhere just to be tidy? Did they bring a perfectly-sized head box with them just by accident? They kill everyone in all the surrounding houses to trap Nick and he gets away by running out the back. Nick continues to be rude to everyone, bossing them about and telling them what to do, without a single thank you or please, do you mind. On top of that Giuntoli can't act worth a damn. I only watch because I like Monroe, Rosalee, Renard, Wu, and Bud. They could drop Nick, Adalind and Trouble off a cliff and the show would only improve. If they bring back Alexis Denisof I'm not watching any more, even though I liked him in Buffy and Angel; he's terrible in this and is so hammy that he practically twirls his mustache.

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  103. Isidra16 May 2015 at 19:03

    As I said: subjective. I don't see a "spice" or "sexy" part. It's probably best not to assume that everyone sees the show the way that you do.

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  104. Isidra16 May 2015 at 19:13

    No. I don't need to find use another word. Nick did not consent to have sex with Adalind. He would not have consented to having sex with Adalind. Adalind was well aware of this. Thus: when Adalind became Juliette, she had sex with Nick without his consent. Sex without consent is rape.


    Adalind has also raped Hank because she had him under a love spell before they had sex. Prior to that spell, Hank did not have any romantic or sexual feelings for her. Hank would not have consented to sleep with Adalind without that feeling.


    Adalind might even have, depending on interpretation, raped the Captain in season two. Because he was under the influence of the obsession spell and may not have been able to consent. That is, I admit, more subjective.


    Adalind MAY be starting a redemption arc. I won't rule that out. But Adalind is also demonstrated as someone who will pick a side based on what she sees as her best interest at the time. Thus far, she hasn't made any choices that aren't to her own immediate benefit. (Even depowering was to her best interest: it got the group to trust her.) She will have to continue to prove herself before she is truly redeemed. I'm skeptical, personally.

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  105. Spiritus Luan16 May 2015 at 19:18

    Probably. I respect every opinion, i like the character with blood in their veins. that´s all.

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  106. Isidra16 May 2015 at 19:21

    There's nothing wrong with being an Adalind fan. I actually like Adalind as a character myself. I think she makes the Grimm world very interesting.

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  107. Spiritus Luan16 May 2015 at 19:27

    Yes, i´ve been fan of Adalind since 1X01. I really like villains, in the main of movies. I liked Juliette too being an Hexenbiest, with Kenneth, but much before kill Kelly. Even between villains you can find honour!!!

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  108. Lammy16 May 2015 at 20:00

    Oh, yes, THIS. "Let's make the main character's love of his life evil and kill her off because CHEMISTRY and SHIPPING!" I was still reeling from what happened on Sleepy Hollow when it started happening AGAIN on Grimm and I thought, "REALLY?!?"

    Disgraceful. I don't have to put up with this abuse and insult to my intelligence. Good bye Grimm and Sleepy Hollow and good riddance.

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  109. Marlene Rådman16 May 2015 at 20:18

    Agree with you on Sleepy Hollow.

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  110. gta480116 May 2015 at 22:51

    What ever you think about Adalind is yours alone I never found Juliette annoying nor do I get why people thought so I don't mind Adalind

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  111. Marie Laberge16 May 2015 at 22:57

    Not everyone inherits whatever gene makes a Grimm. That's why that guy who left with Trubel didn't instantaneously start seeing monsters when his father died

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  112. Marie Laberge16 May 2015 at 23:06

    After staying by Nick's side for years, but still being essentially helpless against the threats he faced, Juliette got a taste of power and went crazy with it. It happened before she ever knew about Adalind's baby. She got arrested and kept confessing to anyone that would listen that she loved what she'd become. I'm not sure if it's really Adalind being pregnant thatpushed her over the edge, or if it's the fact that Nick was willing to accept her (another Hexenbiest) because she was carrying his child, but not Juliette as a Hexenbiest, despite how much he supposedly loved her.

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  113. Marie Laberge16 May 2015 at 23:09

    yeah remember wen the Group was telling Trubel how Juliette had lost her mind. Rosalee said she almost killed monroe and Adalind said "And me", but nobody even cared.

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  114. Marie Laberge16 May 2015 at 23:12

    she's dead. the EPs shut down any theory to the contrary

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  115. mizzkma16 May 2015 at 23:46

    Adalind raped Nick. If Nick had done to her what she did to him he'd been in jail. If Hank had done to her what she did to Hank (you know using magic to override his free will) she'd be in jail. Adalind is a serial rapist. Any attempt at romanticizing that is disgusting.

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  116. Jordana3416 May 2015 at 23:49

    The Royal family is actually all human, which is why I've had a hard time understanding what makes them so special with the Wesen community. Renard is an exception. His mother, who is a hexenbiest, had an affair with a royal. For some reason, there seems to be this weird attraction between the royals and Hexenbiests.

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  117. Spiritus Luan17 May 2015 at 00:23

    All these are lies, stop of say that word. Is a TV´s show by God´s sake.

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  118. mizzkma17 May 2015 at 00:27

    They're really not.. And YES it's a TV show and in the TV show she raped him. I would never imply that Claire Coffee, the actress who plays Adalind, would ever do something like that. She's lovely and I'm pretty sure she'd agree it was rape. I can tell the difference between TV and reality. In TV land she raped him. Stomp your feet, but it won't change that fact.

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  119. Spiritus Luan17 May 2015 at 00:36

    Ok better let it go and just forget it. Because We are going around in circles. For you is a rape for me nothing to do. I like the interaction of Nick & Adalind and i am shipper of this couple. I have been 4 years waiting for to see at last an hint of respect or interaction between them, and finally i got the miracle, so i am making fireworks. I´m sorry, is just a thing of different perspective. If you ship Juliette/Nick ok.

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  120. AvonleaMist17 May 2015 at 00:36

    In spite of the fact that you sport the logo of my very favorite baseball team that I support devotedly, I completely disagree with every single point you thought you were making. I find the show loads of fun.

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  121. Leon17 May 2015 at 00:45

    Just because we have never seen any of the royals 'vogue' (not sure how you spell that), doesn't mean they are not Vessen. Your statement makes actually no sense since if they were human, how the hell would they know about Grimms and Vessen? The King saw Juliet vogue this episode.

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  122. AvonleaMist17 May 2015 at 00:52

    I just think they inexplicably created the most tragic version of Juliette's story imaginable and I am not understanding what was behind the creative decisions they made here. At first I thought they had come up with a good way to incorporate Juliette into the action more ( and appease her critics ) and I liked her being more actively a part of the team. But then the writers took horrid turns with her plot and I realized they were headed towards her destruction. I still am wondering if something else is planned with the actress - have no idea.

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  123. Tom17 May 2015 at 01:21

    Finally, someone who recognizes that I'm not advertising for Walgreens! :)

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  124. AvonleaMist17 May 2015 at 01:22

    Kelly's death scene was masterfully done - far more evocative than showing it - best possible use of a non appearance by an actress ever. I saw that same interview and the EPs were so flippant during it that I wasn't certain we could believe anything they were saying.

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  125. AvonleaMist17 May 2015 at 01:28

    Dare I get my hopes up yet again this season ? We had a regrettable start but things have been looking up lately. All hail the curly W !

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  126. Tom17 May 2015 at 01:32

    It's a long season and the two time National League East champions have a deep starting rotation and a deeper bench. On to the World Series!!!

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  127. Jamie Horne17 May 2015 at 01:33

    Do you thing the FBI lady going to want Nick too now he has powers

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  128. AvonleaMist17 May 2015 at 01:35

    Too bad about Werth hurting his wrist though. Watching the pre game chit chat now.

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  129. Marie Laberge17 May 2015 at 01:36

    I Always thought, seeing as they are Wesen Royalty, they were be, you know... Wesen. It explains a lot thought. Like when Nickstarted out as grimmand became big news because he wasn't affiliated with the royals. Monroe said something like: "you guys tipped the power when you decided to work for the royals". And Renard was protecting Nick from the royals and going on about how important it was to have a Grimm on THEIR side. Since I thought the royals WERE wesen, it never made much sense. And Nick's mom, I think, said something once about how the royals have Always needed the grimms to keep the wesen in line. Little comments like that through the series have confused the hell out of me for years.

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  130. Jamie Horne17 May 2015 at 01:37

    There are seven house . Si there more royals and I think renard did it and if You Notice Helicopter Turn Around

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  131. Marie Laberge17 May 2015 at 01:49

    Is it really so unexpected that at some point in history the most powerful rulers of the world might have learned about the half-beast creatures that live among them? And maybe passed the knowledge down to their descendants in order to maintain their power?

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  132. Leon17 May 2015 at 02:11

    Okay that is a nice idea, but I still think it unlikely with all the rules the Vessen have about revealing themselves to humans.

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  133. James17 May 2015 at 02:18

    Yeah, but at least they were consistent with the fact that she had a pilot so I'm gonna let their drunken statements slide. lol hehe

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  134. arrowshieldfan17 May 2015 at 02:41

    Poor Nick, his home has been crime scene so many times......I think he going have to sell the home

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  135. Isidra17 May 2015 at 03:28

    It's not a matter of 'shipping. Some folks (like me) are legitimately bothered by other people whitewashing crimes that, in the real world, would be rape. Neither Hank nor Nick consented to have sex with Adalind. Adalind knew that. Adalind put them in the situations where their consent was not given and had sex with them. That is rape. No one's lying when we say it happened. It did: Love Sick (1x1

    That said, it isn't wrong to 'ship Nick/Adalind, but you have to understand that many people are going to be upset by this. And they have just as much right to express that as you do to support your pairing.

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  136. Isidra17 May 2015 at 03:33

    Also, a tv show can feature rape. Game of Thrones features rape. Outlander features rape. Criminal Minds features rape. And Grimm features rape.


    And it offends me that you're trying to silence criticism of the topic just because the word "rape" offends you.

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  137. Isidra17 May 2015 at 03:35

    I think they'd have to start right where they left off, wouldn't they? I mean, Chavez is right outside. I can't imagine that, even as borderline catatonic as Nick is at the moment, he'd be okay with a bunch of armed men carting his surrogate daughter off.

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  138. Isidra17 May 2015 at 03:38

    It's clear that Royals aren't subject to the Wesen council. They have their own rules and requirements. They control the Verrat, who are wesen, but none of the Royals appear to be Wesen themselves. (so far, anyway)


    And at least during the Crusades, Grimms were knights in their service. I think that means they're humans. Essentially the Grimmverse is a universe where the Hapsburgs never truly fell, I'd guess.

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  139. Isidra17 May 2015 at 05:07

    To be fair. It seems kind of silly to set up a half zauberbiest-Grimm kid and NOT make him have a few weird traits. :-)

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  140. CNH17 May 2015 at 06:17

    Is that what her game was? I did catch that. Thanks.

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  141. jp117 May 2015 at 07:26

    A great episode, overall. I really didn't want Juliette to die, and I hope they don't put Nick together with Adalind. I STILL hate her for everything she's done

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  142. Lord Nikon17 May 2015 at 07:58

    Yeah, from what i can remember, she was thinking that she might even recruit Nick, but then Truble told her that Nick is no longer Grimm.

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  143. Spiritus Luan17 May 2015 at 09:08

    This is your opininon, not the mine. I am not trying to silence nothing. I just am enjoying this ship ; NICK & ADALIND.
    i´m so tired of explain that. Maybe for you are rapes, for me not. Because are show´s of tv by God´s sake you will say "Yes, but these are rapes in the shows of TV". I am not asking your permision for enjoy a show, i don´t need it. Keep your opinion and i´ll keep the mine. The writers in Outlander etc (i don´t see Outlander) will put that but maybe in a plane not so creepy like in the reality would be. Nick was not hurt by what Adalind did in him. I think that´s a lie. End of the discussion.

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  144. Isidra17 May 2015 at 10:33

    "End of the discussion" is an attempt to silence critics who are making arguments that you don't like.

    The problem is, we have just as much right to comment as you do.

    The fact of the matter is that Adalind had non-consensual sex with Nick. And Hank. And possibly Renard, but that can be up for debate. The others really can't.

    As for Nick not being hurt? He was depowered and clearly devastated by this (see his confession to Monroe in 4x05), Juliette ended up becoming a hexenbiest as a result of fixing the damage Adalind had done to him. He visibly shakes and displays trauma reactions around both woged Juliette and Henrietta. He can't even LOOK at Adalind at the start of office scene that leads to her telling him about the baby. As the scene continues, she's backed him against the wall, and he's got his hands tightly clenched into fists. It is undeniable that Adalind's actions caused Nick fairly serious physical and emotional harm.

    I'm not judging you for 'shipping Adalind and Nick. But unfortunately the rape is going to be an emotional hot spot for some people. Considering the current difficulties with prosecuting rape (particularly date rape, rape by deception, and rape with female prosecutors and male victims), as well as the challenges faced by survivors, it's very upsetting to see someone blatantly white-wash a fictional depiction and try to shout down the people who bring it up.

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  145. Spiritus Luan17 May 2015 at 10:52

    If you want have a discussion i´m not the ideal person, but you can find to someone ready for fight with you about this.

    I am a person who loves deeply "Grimm" and the idea of a possible romantic relationship between Nick & Adalind. I have my principles & ideas very clears, and i am not asking if this is a sin. Adalind has been the villain, but now she will have her Redemption Arc. By characteres like that i see a lot of series.

    The villains are exciting because in them you´re finding news faces, the possibility of change, they´re like a prism. They lie, they fake, they had done bad things, and you never will know if they are saying the true, if they will change or not. You can not trust in them. And very often the heroes are attracted by these types of dark side; Buffy with Spike, Xena with Ares, Azazeal & Cassie in "Hex"....wow...and all them very often sleep together. Maybe the great mistake of Juliette was being so bored as she always has been. She killed the show almost by 4 years. But now will be a new and powerful new atmosphere, since Adalind is very different of Juliette. Juliette was caring...but to be a good person for a series who depends about the audience´s loyalty is very overrated. I would say that Loki has much more followers than Thor.

    Oh and now say to me "Oh you are avoiding the fact , Adalind raped to nick, and you are speaking another things". Oh not darling, maybe Adalind raped Nick for you but not for me. I hope you can fit that because if not you will be here making a monologue as Hamlet. Grimm S4 has ended, and i won´t be her for all the eternity. I won´t back until the season 5 start! We must move on don´t you think? THANKS GRIMMWRITERS! I CAN NOT WAIT FOR S5!!!! Bye!

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  146. Jordana3417 May 2015 at 13:17

    I used to think they were Wesen too, and was surprised to find out that they were actually human, but in terms of their relationship with Nick, it does make sense. If they do continue with the Royals story (and I hope they do), I really hope that they devote an episode to really explaining the history of the relationship between the Royals, the Resistance, the Verat , the Wesen, and Grimms, because to me, it is still a bit confusing!. I missed a lot of episodes in the first season, and maybe it was explained better then, but a recap wouldn't hurt.

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  147. migotka2117 May 2015 at 16:31

    But there was this rant and Renard was rather furious. He's supposedly NOT a Hexenbiest. The situation of Nick's kid is similar - Hexenbiest mom, human dad.

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  148. Bruce_F17 May 2015 at 18:28

    Not necessarily. They could skip ahead and address the moment during the episode via flashback. It's a fairly common practice.

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  149. Mindy18 May 2015 at 07:20

    If watching tv shows and reading spoilers have taught me anything, it's that you can never trust the showrunners, especially where a major character death is concerned. At this point, regardless of what the EPs have said, it's entirely possible that Juliette could still return at some point. It's also very likely that the EPs merely stated that she'd stay dead to appease fans and potentially keep them in the dark for a possible return.


    However, I do agree with you that the show is setting some interesting dynamics and plot points for the next season. In particular, I'm very curious to see how the dynamic between Nick and Trubel will be altered (possibly irreparably) after Trubel killed Juliette. One thing that struck me after rewatching that episode (specifically to review that final scene) is how much Nick was resigned to his own death, in that final confrontation and that Trubel's act of killing Juliette was ultimately an act of betrayal in Nick's eyes. Nick's feeling of betrayal is quite apparent, if you notice the look in eyes which is not merely one of shock, or even grief, but of outright betrayal. At that point, I think Nick had already resolved that if somebody were to make it out alive from that confrontation, it most certainly wouldn't be him. So because of all that I think one of the biggest questions of season five will be: can Nick forgive for killing Juliette?

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  150. Mindy18 May 2015 at 07:29

    Actually, I beg to disagree about the cliffhanger being a bit of a letdown. In my mind it was one of the greatest cliffhangers I've seen in a long while, specifically because of all the emotional tension happening in that scene. Leaving things off with Trubel killing Juliette (and all the FBI people rushing in), actually makes a lot sense for a cliffhanger, especially if you notice that last little exchange between Nick and Trubel. At that point, I think it was somewhat obvious at least on some level, that Nick had completely resolved to let Juliette kill him. Really, when you think about it, Nick couldn't have not known that Juliette would kill him (or at least try) as soon as he released her from his chokehold. He may have hoped on some level for a better resolution, and maybe even to save her, but he obviously knew of the risk she would most likely turn and kill him. So when Trubel came waltzing in and shot Juliette with her crossbow, she may have believed she was saving Nick, but he ultimately saw it as an act of betrayal. The emotional tension in that scene really does create a perfect cliffhanger, because you really have to wonder how much that action will alter the dynamic between Nick and Trubel. If you really think about it, Nick isn't going to be able to forgive Trubel easily for killing Juliette, even if it were to save him.

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  151. AvonleaMist18 May 2015 at 14:00

    I admit what you are saying about can Nick forgive Trubel did flit across my mind for a second but it was Nick himself that gave the order to kill Juliette, albeit in the heat and anguish he was experiencing as they were headed into battle with the Royals. She did follow his own directive though. What surprised me more was the steely unwavering way she took out Juliette, the woman who had been like a big sister to her. She even added a couple of ironic words as she did did the deed. And she had not been around to watch and absorb the descent that Juliette 's story had taken - she had only heard of it. But she had learned enough already of being a Grimm that you cannot hesitate with a Hexenbiest when you have the element of surprise because the Hexenbiest powers trump those of a Grimm. I also think that Trubel 's being in imminent danger herself of being reclaimed by the group she left to come help Nick will trump Nick's feelings about Trubel's action. When the lady leader of the group that came to town originally looking for "the Grimm" first tested Nick he did not have his Grimm powers back yet so she still may not know that he is a Grimm, only that Trubel is. I think helping Trubel with these people will trump his pain over her taking out Juliette. There may be a short period of reconciling his feelings but I do not think it will be as big a deal as you suggest it might. Plus, have you noticed we haven't had "exit" interviews with Bitsie yet ? Which makes me wonder if she will still be a member of the cast. We do not know everything yet, I suspect.

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  152. Mindy18 May 2015 at 22:45

    You make an interesting point about Nick giving his friends the directive to kill Juliette, but I thinkms he was saying that within a certain context. Nick & Juliette's confrontation was really a private matter, taking place in his own home. That's a bit different than seeing Juliette at the spice shop or the mansion. Plus you really have to consider Nick's emotional state during their confrontation. Back at Bud's house, he admitted to feeling like the mission was a failure on his part and he was already grieving his mom. Also I think on some level their confrontation lead Nick to fully realize his failure in regard to Juliette. And on some level I think Nick resolved to let Juliette kill him because he believed it to be a form of atonement. So on some level you really have to consider whether Nick actually wanted to be saved. When you think about it, Nick had truly lost everything at that point and he failed on his mission to bring back Adalind's child.

    Maybe on some level Nick might be able to look past Trubel's actions temporarily to save her. But then there's the question in regard to Trubel's involvement with Chavez's group. Once Nick finds out of her involvement with them he will surely have a hard time looking past her actions. So that's why I think Nick being able to forgive Trubel will be a bigger issue next season.

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  153. Mindy18 May 2015 at 22:47

    Also even if Juliette doesn't die, Nick may not be able to look past Trubel's betrayal, once he discovers her involvement with Chavez.

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  154. Zodiac18 May 2015 at 22:48

    please get over this, there is alot more to this show than the odd sex scene, whether consenting or not. The character of Juliette had run it's course and came to a natural ending, I think Adalind's character still has some good story lines to show us and I am looking forward to the Grimm's Son being born. Good episode with some great closure

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  155. AvonleaMist18 May 2015 at 23:18

    Funny thing, I was just coming to write you again because I had just rewatched the episode and I wanted to amend a couple of things I said to you having seen the last scene again. I was wrong thinking Trubel was being a bit flip when she said "Goodbye,Juliette" - she had just heard Juliette say " Goodbye, Nick" as she was readying to finish him off and was simply paraphrasing Juliette's words. Also, there was a look exchanged between Nick and Trubel as Nick held the dead Juliette and that look held no blame towards Trubel and no questioning of why she had killed Juliette - it was just his anguish and Trubel's sad resignation to what had to be done. So I now even more believe that it will not be an issue for long between them. He knows his actions led to this in the long game, not Trubel's. As for Chavez's group, they obviously are not coming in peace so I do not think Nick will hold her joining temporarily with them against her to any great extent because they obviously are willing to use force to get her back, and seemed willing to do that when they originally were trying to recruit her. She has already said to the Grimm group that she never should have left. Again, it is odd that Bitsie has not yet given any exit interviews that I have noticed which normally happens when a character is gone gone gone for good.

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  156. AvonleaMist18 May 2015 at 23:19

    I do not see any of what Trubel has done as betrayal. She has allegiance only to Nick.

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  157. Isidra19 May 2015 at 07:03

    Why should I get over it? I'm a fan of the show and I can criticize it at the same time.


    Why don't you get over the fact that there are fans who aren't afraid to call rape, rape?

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  158. Zodiac19 May 2015 at 19:18

    Some of us accept the show for what it is, science fiction and fantasy. You obviously have an obsession with rape and the word rape and you seem to think this show is real, I bet you think the monsters are real too huh

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  159. Isidra19 May 2015 at 21:57

    Oh wow. You've really not read or watched a lot of science fiction and fantasy, have you?

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  160. Ali25 May 2015 at 23:27

    Actually I think Renard saying he's not a hexenbiest because hexenbiests are the female counterpart and zauberbiests are the male counterparts and I guess (I'm just guessing correct me if I'm wrong) that the males can't meddle with the females spells etc. I do think that the writers would probably make Nicks baby a hybrid I mean whats the sense of adding a pregnancy if there's not gonna be something extraordinary.
    Overall I loved the finale, it was sad to see Kelly go, I really do hope that it was some trick and that she really is alive. On the other hand while i loved Juliette, what she did was unforgivable and I didn't see anyway the writers could've made Nick forgive her or see reason in her actions.

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  161. migotka2125 May 2015 at 23:51

    Frankly I don't think any fan should correct you in case of this show. So many twists and probably only the writers know for sure - or maybe even they don't know how it'll work out.

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  162. Kacie Brandes1 June 2015 at 08:42

    When Chavez said get her, how do we not know she wasn't talking about Adalind, if you can't get a Grimm, take the Grimm child then they have to help or Chavez isn't as evil as we think. Maybe she works for the resistance or maybe there's a third party like the a secret order of Wesen that actually work for the US Government or a secret order who doesn't work for anyone bit themselves and they need a Grimm. Hmmmm, so many possibilities.

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  163. Rosember2 June 2015 at 03:34

    I doubt it since she doesn't know that adalind is pregnant ( also she hasn't meet her) even trubel didn't know about it.

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  164. Kacie Brandes2 June 2015 at 23:58

    Yeah but we also don't know what she knows because we don't know who she works for.

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