About the Writer - Mark Ondo/LittleDreamer
21 y/o Austrian. Music lover, avid TV watcher, cheesecake muncher and pseudo writer. His taste in television is as eclectic as it gets and he dedicates more time to fictional characters than he would like to admit. He currently reviews Under the Dome and Zoo, writes about various shows in Mark's Remarks and creates Best-Scene Polls for Grey's Anatomy, Once upon a Time, HTGAWM and Scandal.
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It's so hard to choose
ReplyDeleteI loved the episode
Too many good moments to just choose 3!
ReplyDeleteI loved every scene with Robi/Regina in AU. Pure perfection. I voted Robin saves Regina from Snow.
ReplyDeleteWell:
ReplyDelete■ Henry met "Snow Regina".
■ every single cene with Ginnifer Goodwin as "the Evil Snow".
■ knocking out Black Beard.
■ Heny Became an wisest Author
■ revelation about Merlin
■ "Charming Rumple"
■ Emma - Hook kiss
■ Regina sacrificing herself for "strange kid" (Henry) in front of the church
■ Dying Hook... (and that look of Emma)
■ Gold's white heart.
Emma becomes the dark one - the last minute or so was great... the camera shots were great. Her Killian and her parents
ReplyDeleteThe I love you scene between Emma and Hook!
Henry frees Emma. Hook and Henry scenes.
Emma and Hook slays dragon lily
Hook dies for Emma and Henry. He stood up and fought for them.
No! The sorcerer battled the darkness. He was able to keep it from consuming the realms. He tethered it to a human soul that could be controlled with a dagger. [The Dark One.] The sorcerer is the only one with the power to destroy the darkness once and for all.
ReplyDeletesorcerer=Merlin
ReplyDeleteand who was that human soul? was he the 1st dark one?
I love the whole episode can't really decide
ReplyDeleteFor Regina? She did it to save everyone. Regina was just the second one to be attacked, after the Apprentice. Who knows who was next?
ReplyDeleteHe - Merlin - created first Dark One and we - fans - don't know who he was. Apprentice only mentioned - in s04e04 - to Zoso that "And you are not the first dark one I have faced." and "Every dark one has tried,(...) possess what is in that box." SO there was couple men or women before Zoso with that position. Every n
ReplyDeleteMy favorite scene by far was Emma finding Hook alive at her parents' apartment. Second favorite was probably the scene where she was teaching him to sword fight. I also loved the author meeting his "fans," Henry trying to convince Regina that he was her son, and Snow and Charming apologizing to Killian for killing him. There were lots of other great scenes, too.
ReplyDeleteokay, thanks :) now I understand
ReplyDeleteI really can't decide but what about the parts when Emma told Hook that she loves him and Regina deciding that she'll choose stay with Robin, not caring that she'll have to deal with Zelena?
ReplyDeleteEmma did it for everyone as whole. Emma also knew that thing that darkness would be better tethered to her in a way (due to what the apprentice also said and who to find which at this point Emma, Killian and Henry know). Knowing full well/having faith that her parents, and her Killian (as the camera shot had them 3 of them in one frame) saying that she knows they will get rid of the darkness once again - sure it was obvs to her parents, but that representation also included Killian in the frame) and yeah also Regina will play her part in helping and Robin.
ReplyDeleteWe need more Hook and Henry scenes in season 5
ReplyDeleteExactly! Someone had to stop the darkness with the dagger. Regina couldn't do it--it was already attacking her and she didn't have the dagger. It had already killed the Apprentice. Even if Emma had let Regina die (which she wouldn't--she's the savior), the darkness would have continued attacking the rest of them, one by one, until they were all dead. Of course Emma stopped it! And of course she didn't want Regina to die, but do you think she would have done any different if the darkness had been attacking Snow? Killian? Charming? Robin Hood? No, of course not. She would have done exactly the same thing. She was saving them all.
ReplyDeleteNo problemo! Greetings from Poland, central Europe.
ReplyDeleteI love all the scenes. Definitely, this is the best OUAT finale so far.
ReplyDeleteWho thinks Lily's dad might be King Arthur???
ReplyDelete3 is not enough for a 2 hour finale and a good finale. I loved most of the AU, especially the part when they save Emma/fight Lily. There's gifs when they smile just after, it's just so beautiful. I liked the very end but I'm too afraid of what they will do with it that I didn't choose that.
ReplyDeleteAnd it isn't the most talked about scene but the scene when Henry chooses not to be the Author put some sort of closure to the book/fate storyline.
The situation was kinda "for everyone" but Emma's own words made it as "for Regina" ....
ReplyDeleteThank you for your wording! Because yes it was for Regina and I'm tired of people down playing it.... (just listen at Emma's word, it's quite clear)
ReplyDelete1.Emma Becomes the Dark One.
ReplyDelete2.Henry Became The Author. &
3.Hook Dies in AU trying to save Emma & Henry.
So many moments missing. Esp the i love you scene of Emma/Hook. And Emma's confession of the man i love which was beautiful
ReplyDeleteFrom the list i choose -
Emma becomes The Dark One
Emma fights Rumple / Regina saves Henry
Hook dies protecting Emma and Henry
Emma advises Regina not to make the same mistake she did (i think i guess its also the where she confesses she loves Hook)
Henry becomes The Author and undoes Isaac's story
I loved that Emma-Regina scene.Or the scene where Emma comes back to Storybrook and couldn't find Hook at first and gets worried .
ReplyDeleteNot really. Emma was just responding to Regina's attempt to stop her.
ReplyDeleteYou know what I'm not gonna engage in this discussion if your interpretation of that scene is that it was all about Hook (oh sorry Killian...) because really NO, just NO.
ReplyDeleteReally this is just so wrong I don't even want to go there....
Just read all the professional/non biased recap of the final....
At book signing "will Regina get her happy ending?"... "No Spoilers."
ReplyDeleteFor once I actually think I loved almost every scene I watched!!! everything was right on point and lived up to its potential. I especially loved everything from Zelena's wedding to the end! Im so happy rumple is alive still!!! I was worried for the longest time! Can't wait for the next season!
ReplyDeleteYou are pretty spot on with this. Though, I would say that unlike Hansel & Gretel and Cinderella, Regina is family to Emma. (And actually she is technically really related to her--her step-grandmother--even as [refrences to] all of those weird family ties have fallen by the wayside over the years.) I won't downplay a really cool and complex friendship between Emma and Regina; but I don't like when people downplay the relationship between Emma and Hook either.
ReplyDeleteMy theory about the darkness and why it tried to attack Regina--I think unteathered Dark One darkness is only attracted to or can only attach to people with magic. The Apprentice was magical, Regina has magic, and Emma was able to embrace the darkness because she has magic. Afterall, if Hook or Snow or Charming could have stopped Emma and taken her place they would have--at least it would have been in character for them to do so. And let's not forget that Robin tried to rescue Regina, too.
Of course it was about Hook. The whole second hour was building up to that "I love you." Let's recap. First the look on her face when she saw him in the tower, then flirting with him and teaching him to sword fight, and then her devastation when he died. Next, she told Regina that she had lost the man she loved and begged her to give Robin Hood true love's kiss so she could save him. When she got back to Storybrooke, she ran immediately to the loft to find him. Then she thought he was still dead, and she was devastated all over again. Then she saw him, and ran to him with more joy on her face than we have ever seen from her. She hugged him so tight and threw him down on the bed. But even in that moment, she was still afraid to say the words. It had to wait until she knew they were going to be separated, until the crisis reached its peak, before she finally said it. (Similar to when she told Neal she loved him right before he fell through the portal). And then after she told him she loved him, he was the one she was looking at right before she disappeared. How in the world is that not about Hook?
ReplyDeleteI've read lots of recaps, and they all vary. People seem to interpret the scene in different ways. Some focus on the black goo attacking Regina, others view it as a danger to the whole town that Emma had to stop. But there can be no denying that the last person Emma spoke to was Hook, and her last words to him (and no one else) were "I love you."
I thought Emma had to stop it because she had the dagger. It had already killed the Apprentice, who said they had to use the dagger to tether the darkness to a human soul. Then it went for Regina. After it killed Regina, it would have kept on killing until someone was willing to step up with the dagger and stop it, right? I figured that's why Robin couldn't stop it--he didn't have the dagger. Of course, Emma could have given the dagger to Robin, but she's never been the type to ask someone else to play the hero in her stead.
ReplyDeleteEmma believes becoming the Dark One herself is the safer option then Regina. Also yes stated that she didn't want Regina to lose her happy ending which includes the biggest reason for Emma ever is - Henry, (and also Robin.)
ReplyDeleteAnd also Emma sacrificed because she BELIEVES and has FAITH that the love of her family - her parents and the man she loves Killian (right before she spoke her last words, to Hook, which were “I love you”) can bring her back from the darkness - she actually told them that! We had a camera visual in having these three people together in one frame when Emma said this!!!
Honestly, I am not sure how it works completely--maybe we'll find out more about it next season? The dagger has something to do with it, but I don't know if someone without magic could wield the blank dagger the way Emma did. I just wondered, aside from plot, a reason the darkness would skip over Charming, Snow, Hook, Robin, Belle--they were all inside with the Apprentice and then gathered around in the street--and go straight for Regina. The common thread for me was that Em, Regina, and the Apprentice are magicians.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I am sure Emma would have offered herself as the human tether for any of her family or friends if the darkness had surrounded them. Like you said, her first instinct is self-sacrifice/ heroism.
I honestly cannot even begin to choose my favorite scenes. Though I thought the pacing and organization of the 2 hours could have been managed better, every scene felt purposeful. I think the difference between S4's finale and S3's finale was the latter was plot driven while the former was thematic. It is easier to pick favorite scenes from a plot driven narrative than from a theme driven narrative--at least for me.
ReplyDeleteIf I think about the scenes that were most surprising and reactionary: Emma recognizes Henry/ Henry frees her, Hook's death, Emma finds Hook in the loft and doesn't say it, and The Apprentice extracts the darkness from Rumple then dies. (Emma becomes the dark one was spoiled, as was Henry becoming the author.)
Also, for the first time I could really understand/ appreciate the Robin and Regina relationship--their arc needed an AU because that thing was a mess from a writer's perspective. I found it extremely amusing that Robin and Bandit Regina were rivals. I like bandit Regina much better than Evil Queen Regina. And I think Evil Snow was played/ written perfectly even if the Charming family scenes in the AU and reality were not particularly memorable compared to other aforementioned moments.
Finally, the funniest and most rewarding scene was when Emma punched Isaac in the face--maybe I can begin to choose a favorite ;)
Definitely the best meta scene they had ever done.
ReplyDeleteI loved the scene with Regina and Robin in the bar but actually I liked every scene with yet another Regina.
ReplyDeleteSadly there are left so many great scenes out in the poll. What about the scene with the Regina fan club? And there is no scene with Evil Snow in the poll. She killed the dwarf Doc for heavens sake.
But was Regina going to be the dark one? She didn't have the dagger, so how could she be? I thought the goo was just attacking her. It seemed like the dagger was key--that's why Emma was able to stop it but not Robin. Emma had the dagger. The apprentice said they used the dagger to tether the darkness to a human soul that could be controlled. Regina didn't have the dagger, so either she couldn't become the dark one and the goo was just killing her, or she would have been a dark one that couldn't be controlled by the dagger. Either way, they were all screwed if Emma didn't stop it.
ReplyDeleteYeah and a part of the whole SEASON was about Emma fighting for Regina's happy ending!
ReplyDeletelet's recap (no I don't know this by heart, I had to quickly rewatch some parts of S4)
4x01 : "I came here to bring back happy endings including yours",
4x05 : "I have your back""I just wanted to be your friend",
4x12 : "I made you a promise I intended to keep",
between 4x12 - 4x13 help her with the book,
4x15 worry about Regina going undercover, "I'm in too, I'll get your back"
4x16 Promise to help Regina find Robin's number,
4x19 worry about Regina going to NY alone, want her safe,
4x20 listen to Regina's advice about darkness,
4 x22 want to Regina to not miss her chance at love/happiness, "I promise once that I will help you find your happy ending, I'm glad I'm here to see it"
and finally "YOU work to hard to have YOUR happinness destroyed"
Emma fighting for/saving/caring for/loving (not in a romantic way) Regina was a recurrent theme of the season and no, the fact that the writers choose that Regina was going to be the one (not Hook, not Snow or Charming) taken by the darkness was not a coincidence, nor were Emma's words to her. Thing is, it's Emma sacrificing herself for Regina thus
for everyone else. You see it as Emma sacrificing herself for everyone
and saving Regina in the process is just a bonus.... like for you, Emma
doesn't care about Regina (wich was proven wrong by this whole season)
she just doing her savior job.....(because silly me, she only really care about precious
Killian....)
But you know what, her sacrifice for Regina doesn't mean she doesn't love Hook, I can see that she does. But seriously, what's really bothering me with some CSers, it's the fact that it's like Emma can't have any other important relationships other than with "Killian" (or her parents/Henry). They always have to down play everything else especially when it's about Regina and Emma..... (wonder why??)
An other thing from your other post "Not really. Emma was just responding to Regina's attempt to stop her.
If Regina hadn't said anything, Emma probably wouldn't have said
anything to her, either...."
You know what I noticed while rewatching the scene? After Emma says to her parents "you will find a way to save me" she was going to do the thing THEN Hook stopped her THEN she told him ILY so if we go by YOUR logic "Emma was just responding to Hook's attempt to stop her.
If Hook hadn't said anything, Emma probably wouldn't have said
anything to him, either".......how about that? stupid huh?
And let's be completly clear if it was Hook instead of Regina into the darkness, wanna bet that you all would be like"OMG she sacrificed herself FOR KILLIAN because she loves him to much, it's so tragic but beautifull!! " and granted, the antiCSers would have your speach instead.....(it wasn't for Hook! it was for everyone!) aaaah the endless hypocrisy of this fandom
(sorry for the english, no time to really correct things and daaaaaaamn I said I wasn't going to get into this! whyyyyyy...)
No one said Emma and Regina aren't friends. In fact, the show has used the friend word over and over again. And of course Emma wouldn't want Regina to die. My point is simply that some people are vastly over reading the situation. Emma talked to the apprentice and knew the stakes. She knew someone had to stop the darkness with that dagger and tether it to herself. She saw the darkness kill the apprentice and start going after the rest of the town. She knew that the darkness would (1) kill Regina, and (2) continue going after others. Thus, she had to sacrifice herself to save both (1) Regina and (2) everyone else. Why is that such a bad thing? I would expect no less of her. And yes, she would have done the same if Killian was being attacked, but she also would have done the same if the darkness had attacked Snow, Charming, Robin Hood, and probably most anyone else in the town. That's simply Emma being the savior.
ReplyDeleteAnd you're right, she might never have told Killian she loved him had he not pulled her away and tried to stop her. She had already chickened out once. But when he stopped her, and she looked into his eyes, the emotion overwhelmed her and she finally said it. I'm glad she did, because otherwise she would have to live with the regret again like she did after he died in the AU.
I agree with your words this time, yes she was saving (1) Regina and (2) everyone else (in that order). The initial problem I had with this is the need of some poeple to down play Emma's feelings about Regina (again I'm not talking about romantic feelings) in this situation. Like they HAD to point out and insist that "Emma is just beeing the savior, she doesn't really care about R, she would've done the same for freaking Sleepy or something" like it's so important to denied the fact that Emma do genuinely care about Regina and would totally sacrifice herself for her. Like "NO NO NO in Emm's head it wasn't at ALL about Regina, not a single little bit!!!"
ReplyDeleteWell, I certainly think she cares about Regina, but I honestly don't think she would have hesitated to do the same if the darkness was attacking Sleepy. That's just who she is. My problem is when people say her sacrifice was specifically for Regina, as if she didn't care about protecting the rest of them from the darkness. I really doubt that Emma saw it as sacrificing herself specifically for Regina. I think she saw it as something she had to do to stop the darkness from destroying them all, which included Regina, who was the one currently being attacked. She saw it as a duty that was thrust upon her as the savior and because she knew her parents and Killian would be able to rescue her from the darkness.
ReplyDeleteWell we're getting nowhere you think something, I think something else let's just agree to disagree.
ReplyDeleteThere were many moments in this episode that are worth mentioning.
ReplyDeleteBut the most epic ones was that is a big moment in all
Emma becoming the Dark One
Henry becomes Author
Emma saying I Love You
But in other sections
Hook dies in AU protecting Emma and Henry
Hook and Emma's first meeting
Snowing being EVIL lol
Hook and Emma team work
Hook and Henry scenes
Emma confession she loves Hook and needs a chance to make everything ok and go back to reality
http://ethan-8.tumblr.com/post/118968409168/pssst-i-need-you-to-stop-whatever-ure-doing-and
ReplyDeleteThis guy is missing the point. Emma has promised a lot of people that she would find them their happy ending. Regina is by far not the only person she has made that promise to. That's her job as savior. That's what season 1 was all about. That's why she went to find Lily--to bring her and Maleficent their happy ending. Is Emma in love with Lily and/or Maleficent? No, but she does care about Lily and sees her as a friend, just like Regina is her friend. Listen to what Emma has said all along--Regina, you deserve your happy ending and I'll help you find it. And what is that happy ending? The very thing she and Emma discussed in the EF--Robin Hood. That's why Emma believed Regina could save Killian--because Regina and Robin are soul mates (pixy dust never lies, right?), and if Regina found her happy ending with Robin Hood, the book would have been fixed. Of course, Rumple tried to kill Henry, and Regina had to stop it, but it was Robin who held Regina's hand and promised he wouldn't let her die alone. And as Regina lay dying in Robin's arms, it was Killian who was first on Emma's mind when she asked the author to fix things: "Bring back Hook" was first; "save Regina" was second.
ReplyDeleteThis guy misses that when Emma told Regina she deserved her happiness, it was in response to Regina trying to stop her. It didn't mean she was doing it only for Regina. It just meant that she wasn't going to let Regina stop her and that she didn't deserve to die.
And as for the show's choices, that's another good point. They could have had the darkness attack Killian first and have Emma tell Regina she loved her before she disappeared. They didn't. Why? Because Emma doesn't love Regina. Regina's her friend, and she doesn't want her to die, but she's in love with Killian. Killian could have been the next one attacked, or Snow, or Charming. Emma didn't let that happen. She protected all her friends and loved ones.
Pffffff I give up if it's what it's what you came up with after reading this tumblr post because clearly all that matters to you is your ship.
ReplyDeleteWhere in this post (or in mine) did we say that Emma was IN LOVE with Regina??? Where did we denied that RH was for Regina a part of her happy ending??? Where did we say that Emma wasn't in love with Hook?? NOWHERE because we're able to see that there is different kind of love. For you it's all about "she's in love with KILLIAN!!! And no one except her family can be important to her !!"
I mean "Because Emma doesn't love Regina. Regina's her friend, and she doesn't want her to die, but she's in love with Killian." Hmmm I'm IN LOVE with my boyfriend, that doesn't mean I don't LOVE my two best friends nearly as much in an other way...
Yes, in fanon I do ship SQ romantically, but in canon I don't give a fuck about romantic relationships in this show (except maybe Snowing in S1 and Rumbelle for a while after Skin Deep but my three favorite scenes in the entire show are still Snow/Emma in 2x03, Regina with Baby!Henry in 3x09 and the goodbyes in Going Home) but for you, it's the only thing that your care about... so much that you have to constantly down play this huge Emma/Regina moment (that was so intended by the writers and a conclusion to one of the big S4 theme) and why? Because of your ship..... because Killian as to be the only thing in Emma's mind, because she can't have an important (platonic) relationship with someone else, because she can't possibly care about Regina (when this whole S4 was showing us that she did...).
Like it or not Regina and Emma are the core of the show, EVERY premiere or finals (or last moments in finals) were about them (S1: 1x01 first meeting in SB - 1x22 teaming up for Henry, S2A : 2x01 protecting Regina from the mob/wraith - 2x09 stopping the death curse, S2B 2x10 fighting for Henry 2x21 teaming up and stopping the trigger, S3A : 3x01 getting along to save Henry - 3x11 : Regina giving Emma and Henry their happy ending, S3B : 3x13 working together - 3x22 the cliffhanger was about their relationship because Marian was back, S4A : 4x01 telling Regina she would fight for her too - 4x11 Having a drink and Henry/Emma/Regina in the library, S4B, 4x12 Working together, saving each other, 4x22 Emma's sacrifice for Regina) but you know what?? all of this doesn't mean that CS/OQ aren't happening.... So really I don't know why you and other people are so afraid to admit that yes Emma/Regina is one of the BIGGEST part of the show (and that's never going to change) but yes, fortunately for you they also have boyfriends....because god forbid having only important female relationship
No one said Emma doesn't care about Regina. She's her friend and she's family--her step-grandma, Henry's adoptive mother. She certainly wouldn't just stand around and let her die, for Henry's sake at least. I just think some people are missing the big picture by trying to turn what Emma did into something that was only about Regina. Based on what the Apprentice said, the darkness had to be tethered to a human soul with the dagger in order to control it. Otherwise it was free to attack and kill whomever it wanted. It killed the Apprentice, was about to kill Regina, and would have kept on killing. Emma had the dagger and knew she could stop it--save the life of her son's adoptive mother and everyone else in the town. She did what she had to do as the savior. I disagree with people who try to narrow the importance of what Emma did to one person rather than recognizing that she did what she had to do to save everyone.
ReplyDeleteAnd if you're so worried about Killian, let's leave him out of it. Emma's parents were standing in that street next to Regina. You think she wasn't worried that when the dark goo finished killing Regina it would kill them next? Do you think she didn't care about saving them? What about Robin Hood? He has a little boy who needs him, his mother having been murdered by Zelena. Do you think Emma didn't care about saving Robin, too? You honestly think her only concern was Regina?
Oh yeah.... you use the "step-grandma" argument aka the most STUPID THING EVER to relate Emma and Regina. So yeah I know the kind of person I'm dealing with here and I've seen plenty of your other posts on this site (in a recent review thankfully not about ships "OMG, why didn't you talk about CS, Killian, CS and Killian!!!) and I'm done being "nice" because I HATE hypocrisy
ReplyDeleteLet's not leave "Killian" out of it because IT IS a CS thing (so anti Emma/Regina at all cost even if there's no reason to and even if you're hiding it behind pretty words)..... if it was Hook in the darkness I'll bet everything I own that you would be all "she sacrificed herself for him, to save HIM, because he's her true love" and it would have been one of your more beautifull yet tragic CS moment. You would never have this conversation or doubts about "it's not for ONE person, she did it for everyone else, because she's the savior" .....
BUT because it's Regina (and you don't like Emma/Regina and maybe Regina) "OH NO NO no no no it's FIRST a savior thing!!!" even when it was clearly the intention of the writers and even if Lana spoke about it clearly in the last convention she made ( http://31.media.tumblr.com/8a8a92e9922f745707ac9a253008b723/tumblr_nok4lqKF5i1qa5gn1o1_r1_400.gif )
Who is arguing about Regina being Emma's step-grandma? Is there some debate about that? She is her step-grandma, isn't she? She married Emma's grandpa. She's family, isn't she? That's important, isn't it? Why does it bother you?
ReplyDeleteLook, Emma already sacrificed herself once for Hook. She gave up her magic to save his life, even after she'd been told that only her magic could stop Zelena and that Zelena's plan was to go back in time and kill Ava, which would have erased Snow, Regina, Emma, and Henry from existence. She was willing to risk all of their lives to save him. And unlike what happened in 4x22, where she knew her sacrifice would not be permanent, because the Apprentice had already told her Merlin could save her, when she gave up her magic for Hook, she thought it was forever. But would she have done any different had it been someone else Zelena tried to drown? Would she have let Archie die? Granny? No, I don't think she would. Because she is a hero and that is what she does. Why is that so hard to see? It's been clear during the entire series that Emma will always step up and do the right thing.
I heard Lana was asked a question at a con about whether she was surprised Emma sacrificed herself to save Regina. From my understanding, the questioner (maybe it was you? lol!) assumed that it was only about Regina, and Lana went on to say that Regina and Emma have a sisterly relationship. But as far as I know, no one specifically asked Lana whether Emma was protecting the others along with Regina, nor did Lana deny that was the case. It is clear from what the Apprentice said and what Emma said that she had to stop the darkness to save all their lives, not just Regina's. But let's say it was only Regina's life at stake (despite what the Apprentice said to the contrary), would Emma just let her die? Of course not. Nor would she stand around and let anyone else die. I would expect no less of her character from what we've seen so far.
For the sacrifice you think you're right I think I'm right let's leave it there because this is getting nowhere. I guess we will see during the summer promotion (and the various cons ) who's "right".
ReplyDeleteAnd like if you didn't know there wasn't a "step-grandma" debate since like 3 years..... like it isn't the stupidest anti (romantic) SQ argument ever that every antiSQ people use to wrongly place SQ in the incest category....
Regina WAS married (not by choice) to Emma's grandfather. She isn't anymore (because duh... she killed him). Emma and Regina do not share blood, the marriage ended like 40 years ago and it was NEVER a real thing anyway (Regina said so in 3x03), she never wanted Leopold as a husband, Emma was never raised with Regina as her grandmother, they're the same age and most importantly Emma NEVER EVER saw Regina as her step-grandma and Regina doesn't as hell consider Emma as her step-grandchild..... How fucking ridiculous it would be for the both of them really.... I have step grandparents and even former ste pgrandparents that I will always consider as my grandparents because they hold that role since I was 3 so I know what it's like....Regina and Emma however are NOWHERE near that same relationship....
The only reason they're family is because they're both Henry's mom and that's it.
PS : for the Lana part, no I wasn't at the con, I live in Belgium and how "sacrifice FOR ONE OTHER" isn't clear??
Well, I don't know if "step-grandma" is a debate, although I read somewhere that Ginny Goodwin once said a romantic relationship between Regina and Emma would be ridiculous because it would be incest, or at least borderline incest. I'm no expert on what qualifies as incest, but having a romantic relationship with your grandparent's spouse does seem kind of creepy to me. My point in calling her step-grandma, however, was not to raise that issue. It was simply to emphasize that Regina is family, thus giving Emma an additional motivation to save her life. Who stands around and lets their step-grandma die? Someone pretty callous, I'd guess.
ReplyDeleteFFS Regina is not her step-grandma and I already explained why, the only reason she could be family is because she's her son's other mother.
ReplyDelete" I'm no expert on what qualifies as incest, but having a romantic
relationship with your grandparent's spouse (again Regina isn't Emma's grandfather's spouse anymore and she NEVER wanted to be in the first place) does seem kind of creepy to
me." ......so is having a relationship with the former lover/spouse of your son's grandmother/or ex's mother but I guess you have no problem with that one.....
I know I have none with both cases because, of course in real life (when people are not frozen in time every each decade) it would be creepy as hell, but in the OUAT context I don't see the problem for both CS and SQ (and when you watch what they're really doing in canon it's the least of our worries : Leopold/Cora/Regina, Regina/Robin/Marian/Zelena) and I hate when anti CS are using this argument against Hook/Emma because it's as stupid as the antiSQ/StepGrandma thing.
For the Ginny Goodwin situation, she did the exact same thing with CS (I don't remember the specific tweet something like "then Emma would share a lover with her son's grandma" and I remember it ended by "banana rigth?") but I don't really care/agree about that... or the thing she said about SQ because yeah, from her character's pov it's totally normal to have that reaction about an eventual Emma/Regina relationship. Because yes, FOR SNOW (not for Emma or Regina) it would be weird (but really, for me, the dramaaaaa of that situation is just awesome and I've read plenty of SQ fanfics that have dealt with this issue so well).
I'm sorry, but someone who is married to your grandfather is your step-grandma (or step-grandpa). How can you say Regina isn't Emma's step-grandma? She's Leopold's widow, right? Leopold was Emma's grandpa, right? I mean, that's just basic fact. The story of Snow White has always involved Snow White's evil stepmother. Snow White is Emma's mom, isn't she? Is it really complicated to understand the family relationship here? Married to grandpa=step-grandma.
ReplyDeleteAnd sure, it's a little weird that Emma is dating someone who dated her ex-boyfriend's mother, but there's no blood relationship between Emma and Milah. There's something a lot worse about the idea of sleeping with someone who slept with your grandpa. I mean, your grandpa is your direct ancestor. You have his DNA. The only closer relative would be your mom or dad. It's just creepy.
Like the show runners have said, they never intended for there to be any kind of romantic relationship between Emma & Regina. If they had, surely they wouldn't have made them so closely related.
This 2-part finale is my favorite episode of the entire series. I love the way everything got turned upside down.
ReplyDeleteOMG are you serious ? Look at what YOU'RE writing (half contradictory half disgusting).....
ReplyDelete"I'm sorry, but someone who is married to your grandfather is your step-grandma (or step-grandpa)."
yes but you said it yourself "someone who IS married" and Regina is NO LONGER married to Leopold (since 40 years) and for the 1000000x times she never wanted to be married to a fucking 50-60 years old guy (HER MOTHER'S EX) just after her true love died. Is that so hard for you to undersatnd?
"someone who slept with your grandpa." OMG you're talking like if Regina would have WANTED to sleep with that old creep she was forced to marry....... are you serious again? Do you realise how disgusting it was if that really happened ?! (marcial rape)...... But again as Regina said it was NEVER a real marriage and I seriously hope that it was NEVER consumed ..... and I will repost something again because it seems like you have some trouble understanding some things
"Regina WAS married (not by choice) to Emma's grandfather. She isn't
anymore (because duh... she killed him). Emma and Regina do not share
blood, the marriage ended like 40 years ago and it was NEVER a real
thing anyway (Regina said so in 3x03), she never wanted Leopold as a
husband, Emma was never raised with Regina as her grandmother, they're
the same age and most importantly Emma NEVER EVER saw Regina as her
step-grandma and Regina doesn't as hell consider Emma as her
step-grandchild..... How fucking ridiculous it would be for the both of
them really...."
PS : http://abc.go.com/shows/once-upon-a-time/video/VDKA0_1oodv4rx
"Emma Swan (Jennifer Morrison) takes on the darkness to save Regina (Lana Parrilla)." From the official abc website. You're welcome.
And I'm done with you. bye
Did you catch what Jen Morrison said at this past weekend's convention? She clarified that Emma was saving the whole town, not just Regina. And to the extent she wanted to help Regina, it was (1) for Henry's sake, and (2) because Regina is a friend. But the darkness would have continued to attack the town after Regina, so she was saving them all. That's exactly what I've been trying to say all along! She certainly wouldn't let Regina die--she wanted to help her, especially for Henry's sake--but what she did was for everyone, not just Regina. : )
ReplyDeleteAnd as almost every CSers did you take a incomplete part of what you want to make your truth. FFS I never said it wasn't also about the town..... But the choice the writer made,the editing, Emma's words (and Jen's words) were all clear it was FOR Regina (because she's her friend because she cares for her because she fight for her during the whole season because it's her son's other mother) then also for the town
ReplyDeletehttp://sgtmac7.tumblr.com/post/122091360780/heads-up-i-was-at-the-m-g-with-jen-where-she-said
Now can we please drop this annoyingold discussion because you will never back down (seriously A MONTH LATER?) and I never will. bye