I'm glad they wound up the Captain's storyline so they can clear the decks and concentrate on the epic battle at hand. I wonder what part, if any, Adalind will play. That alternate Baby Moma theory that has been floating around is looking a little less likely now. That scene tonight in which you could hear Kelly dying was the most effective use of the non-presence of an actress I have ever seen . I just hope they do not end the finale teetering on a cliff but ,sigh, they probably will.
That when Adalind did the spell business switching herself to Juliette being with Nick the baby that was conceived was actually Juliette's , currently now gestating in Adalind's womb.
You are good. I forgot about that. But Claire Coffee has said Adalind will not give birth till next season so I wonder what a potential time warp would lead to ? I am still trying to unwind from tonight's episode - it was so good, and disturbing.
Right, I do not know if her quote was a misdirect or not but the way she framed it it - that she was grateful it was being delayed because of her own pregnancy - I tend to believe what she said.
what exactly could Nick do against The Royals? He can't arrest them as they probably are protected nor killed them as he will be the one charge with murder
I hope this isn't too much of a spoiler, but I know for a fact that you can arrest a Royal: http://images.spoilertv.com/cache/grimm/Season%204/Promotional%20Episode%20Photos/Episode%204.22%20-%20Cry%20Havoc/NUP_168394_0722_FULL.jpg
No that would be a waste of time for me sounds like to me that a lot of fans are going to watch the finale with a big chip on their shoulders but not me I'm fine if she dies next week but only because that's how it's gotta be but if she doesn't I'm fine with that too because I actually enjoyed her scenes even I. This episode i didn't give a crap about what was going on with renard and It was settled so damn easy.
Yes most of the time she was irrelevant but when she came in handy she came in handy and while some complaints were about her where understandable I never thought she was as bad as everyone made her out to be like when people say she wined all the time and I don't recall Juliette ever complaing that much except when she lost her memories but she got herself back together she wasn't that much of a damsel in desires ether I mean the first time she was kidnapped she saved herself when she got the chance when she punched Ariel in the face. she was no more expendable to the show then hank or wu ( his humor is what keeps people liking him). Bottom line for me is no she's not redeemable and if she needs to go that's fine as long as trubel stays but I enjoyed her and she was even more fun as a hexenbeast and she was fun as a villain too and cause way more damage to nick then anyone else.
I agree about Renard. That whole resolution was very anticlimactic. As far as Juliette, if she dies I hope she gets a more entertaining death than Kelly Burkhardt.
At the most she will probrobly allow nick to kill her during thier fight by holding herself back Like if you've seen an anime movie called Gei rei zero this kinda reminds me of the fight between kagura and yomi
OMG!!! Is Juliette leaving the show? I can't imagine her turning back anytime soon. Everything seems to happen to her. Scary and exciting all at the same time. LOVE THAT TRUBBLE is back!!!
I read somewhere on youtube tv promo for this episode someone commented that Bitsie Tulloch did a Q and A on Facebook that Royals won't be a threat after this season.....hmm
Seems that the people yet don´t realice the truth. Adalind is waiting Nick´s baby! And this baby is HER baby don´t Juliette´s. Nobody think about this exactly. How important maybe the baby will be. I have the feeling that everything has to do with Diana´s wishes. The main power of the child is get all what she wants, she has the persuasion´s power. Her decision of stay with Kelly unleashed almost the conception of her brother. The second child will be almost like the half twin of this baby, separated by time. Nick is not gonna to have a kid with Juliette, but with Adalind . That´s the true, and for me is much better choice that some stupid theory "alternate moma theory". Juliette is who she choose to be: the killer of Nick´s mother. She maybe did not hit her, but by her fault the Royals killed Kelly, and now the "baby-i don´t know what more-theory", i think not. Claire said Adalind will deliver in S5, so i trust in the Adalind´s survival and her baby. Diana will not stand with the Royals much more.
The Royals will probably go to Portland PD and tell them that he's actually Prince William, husband to Princess Kate, Duchess of Cambridge, who just had a child this week named Charlotte, and think they may have mistaken him for someone who calls himself "Kenneth". :D
I think for the first time,Grimm Fans know what to expect in the finale-Juliette's death.I still like her but it's pretty clear the writers doesn't.The way they treated this character is just sad.Anyway,all i wish now is that her death is the most unique one in this show so far! :-(
Grimm 4x22 "Cry Havoc" (Season Finale) - On the heels of a shocking discovery, Nick (David Giuntoli) is hell bent on getting revenge and taking the fight to the Royals with help from Trubel (guest star Jacqueline Toboni). Meanwhile, Juliette's (Bitsie Tulloch) alliance continues to lead her down a dark path. Russell Hornsby, Silas Weir Mitchell, Sasha Roiz, Reggie Lee, Bree Turner and Claire Coffee also star.
Keneth's crew of royal lapdogs killed a LOT of civilians all around Nick's house to set up that trap, so i mainly wish they r either all killed by team grimm or sentenced to life in prison and kept there for a very very long time. mainly the first, really, though i'd b ok with the second.
Juliet needs to die ASAP, i think their trying to create a new storyline with focusing on the supernatural babies, Diana and nick's son maybe the royal family will want both of them to use as pawns in the fight to get all of the 7 keys to open the treasure that was from buried. Nick is going to go zombie mode and all the royals especially kenneth!
I don't think they had to kill the neighbors. I mean, those people have to be already pretty oblivious, what with all the goings on at that house through the years.
I don't want Juliette to die (not yet at least), she makes a superb villain. If all the Royals and Juliette were killed in the finale a huge part of the storytelling would be wiped away, I don't think the writers are going there. I would like to see more of the keys/map story next year!
This finale is going to kick ass. Love the title of the episode, a reference to Shakespeare's Julius Caesar. "Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war". Mark Antony says it after the funeral service for Caesar
The thing is, Henrietta & Kelly have dead, 2 people. We should to wait more deaths? Here is the question. And we must wait the famous cliffhanger in the Game of Thrones style. Nobody is save.
Hey Grimm writers if you kill Juliette off I will watch the show next season. I swear. I have been missing episodes this season because I don't like some of the direction the show has been going but if Juliette is gone and we don't have to deal with super hexenbeast Juliette any more I would gladly tune in for one more final season to wrap things up. I want to see a little angsty, single Nick and the gang. I want to see the show have a decent ending over all but I don't know if I can continue if she surivives and is still there after all she did this season to the Nick and the group. I will officially stop watching probably. Kill her off and keep some viewership ;)
Seriously? Noooooooooo!!!!! WTH are the writers thinking? I'd be seriously pissed if the royals were no longer a threat after the end of the season. At this point, I don't think it would be possible to wrap up the key storyline if the royals were no longer a threat. So I'm hoping that the comment was just a red herring of sorts.
Yeah, but the EPs have basically said that Juliette is safe! And personally, despite how evil Juliette has become, I highly doubt that they'd kill her off during the season finale, not when she's finally become a good villain. Personally, I think they're going have it come down to a moment where Juliette either simply tries to kill Nick (and Nick despite his Grimm abilities is basically defenseless because of his emotions) or she will end up actually seriously injuring Nick somehow and then the screen will fade to black. David Guintoli explicitly stated albeit rather coyly that "no one is safe" implying that something major could happen to Nick in the finale.
Despite the fact that several other major spoilers turned out to be red herrings of sorts, I think that statement might imply that something happens to Nick in the season finale. At this point, there's nothing to stop Juliette from actually trying to kill Nick.
Diplomatic immunity doesn't hold on charges of Terrorism, Conspiracy, or Mass Murder. All of which he commited last episode. =P His family wont get him off if they do... the grimm will finish him. At least I hope. =P
Yes Bitsie said that in her facebook. I think that maybe is in reference to Nick´s revenge. Maybe Nick´s gang will kill Kenneth or the same king, but the rest of Royals will run away. But will be survivors, and the hierarchical structure will have to be composed with news characters in the next season. Anyway, Hank in one of the promotional photos of 4X22 is fighting with the King.
I have my doubts. I always have thought that Juliette would be the great villains for the season 5. I think Juliette is gonna to survive, and Kenneth too. But i´m not sure, I can imagine a kind of cliffhanger in the last moment, while the fight of Nick vs Juliette, something will happen, maybe Trubel will hurt her, and she will run away with the next of Royals yet alive who will have Diana. Is difficult say "No" to a villain so good done as Juliette now. But by other hand what she made with mama Grimm....i hate her deeply.
If she have the supernatural power to give life to the dead, yes, could be redeemed. But she´s not like Jesus. I´m sorry. The Redemption Arc in season 5 will be for Adalind, not for Juliette. Two redemptions arcs are impossibles at same time. Well the Adalind´s arc is working just now since some episodes ago...
I really doubt that the cliffhanger will involve something happening to Juliette, as that would be rather anticlimactic. It may be what the fans hope for, but it's still unlikely they'll kill her in the finale.
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A full-on rumble. That's something to look forward to. If Juliette dies, it had better not be a quick death. What fun would that be?
ReplyDeleteThe finale is going to be awesome: Team Grimm vs Team Royals.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad they wound up the Captain's storyline so they can clear the decks and concentrate on the epic battle at hand. I wonder what part, if any, Adalind will play. That alternate Baby Moma theory that has been floating around is looking a little less likely now. That scene tonight in which you could hear Kelly dying was the most effective use of the non-presence of an actress I have ever seen . I just hope they do not end the finale teetering on a cliff but ,sigh, they probably will.
ReplyDeleteWhat is the alternate baby moma theory? I think I missed it somehow.
ReplyDeleteThat when Adalind did the spell business switching herself to Juliette being with Nick the baby that was conceived was actually Juliette's , currently now gestating in Adalind's womb.
ReplyDeleteThere's one more "time warp" on the TV Line sweeps scorecard so I'm wondering if there will be a time jump at the very end of the Grimm finale.
ReplyDeleteYou are good. I forgot about that. But Claire Coffee has said Adalind will not give birth till next season so I wonder what a potential time warp would lead to ? I am still trying to unwind from tonight's episode - it was so good, and disturbing.
ReplyDeleteIf the character isn't giving birth 'til next season then that most likely kills the idea.
ReplyDeleteRight, I do not know if her quote was a misdirect or not but the way she framed it it - that she was grateful it was being delayed because of her own pregnancy - I tend to believe what she said.
ReplyDeleteI suppose I shouldn't be surprised. I think almost every season premiere of Grimm has started right where the finale left off anyway.
ReplyDeleteI know , but this one really deserved to be treated differently because it has cut so close to the heart - but what do they care about how we feel....
ReplyDeleteDamn Nick is not holding back on the bitch now.
ReplyDeletewhat exactly could Nick do against The Royals? He can't arrest them as they probably are protected nor killed them as he will be the one charge with murder
ReplyDeleteHe can kill them. Make it look like self-defence or cover it up. Renard as we have seen is very good at doing that.
ReplyDeleteI am hoping he torture Kenneth, cut off his head sent to the King... and Nick go to Europe to finish the King himself self defense of course
ReplyDeleteThat might be a problem. Considering how Renard views his father.
ReplyDeleteI hope this isn't too much of a spoiler, but I know for a fact that you can arrest a Royal:
ReplyDeletehttp://images.spoilertv.com/cache/grimm/Season%204/Promotional%20Episode%20Photos/Episode%204.22%20-%20Cry%20Havoc/NUP_168394_0722_FULL.jpg
arrest him yes but he be release immediately he probably have diplomatic immunity or something like that
ReplyDeleteImmunity doesn't apply to a murder charge.
ReplyDeletehis family will find a way to get him off. The King can't refuse to remove immunity so it won't be easy.
ReplyDeleteIt's a moot point anyway. All you need to do is get him behind bars and then...
ReplyDelete"Oops. I guess Kenneth must have angered another inmate and stabbed him to death. Sorry."
Oh, right. Thanks. I didn't miss it, I was tired.
ReplyDeleteNo that would be a waste of time for me sounds like to me that a lot of fans are going to watch the finale with a big chip on their shoulders but not me I'm fine if she dies next week but only because that's how it's gotta be but if she doesn't I'm fine with that too because I actually enjoyed her scenes even I. This episode i didn't give a crap about what was going on with renard and It was settled so damn easy.
ReplyDeleteYes most of the time she was irrelevant but when she came in handy she came in handy and while some complaints were about her where understandable I never thought she was as bad as everyone made her out to be like when people say she wined all the time and I don't recall Juliette ever complaing that much except when she lost her memories but she got herself back together she wasn't that much of a damsel in desires ether I mean the first time she was kidnapped she saved herself when she got the chance when she punched Ariel in the face. she was no more expendable to the show then hank or wu ( his humor is what keeps people liking him).
Bottom line for me is no she's not redeemable and if she needs to go that's fine as long as trubel stays but I enjoyed her and she was even more fun as a hexenbeast and she was fun as a villain too and cause way more damage to nick then anyone else.
I agree about Renard. That whole resolution was very anticlimactic. As far as Juliette, if she dies I hope she gets a more entertaining death than Kelly Burkhardt.
ReplyDeleteAt the most she will probrobly allow nick to kill her during thier fight by holding herself back
ReplyDeleteLike if you've seen an anime movie called Gei rei zero this kinda reminds me of the fight between kagura and yomi
I was willing to give you one last chance after the trailer, Juliette, but no more chances after tonight. Go get her Nick
ReplyDeleteOMG!!! Is Juliette leaving the show? I can't imagine her turning back anytime soon. Everything seems to happen to her. Scary and exciting all at the same time. LOVE THAT TRUBBLE is back!!!
ReplyDeleteI read somewhere on youtube tv promo for this episode someone commented that
ReplyDeleteBitsie Tulloch did a Q and A on Facebook that Royals won't be a threat after this season.....hmm
Seems that the people yet don´t realice the truth. Adalind is waiting Nick´s baby! And this baby is HER baby don´t Juliette´s. Nobody think about this exactly. How important maybe the baby will be. I have the feeling that everything has to do with Diana´s wishes. The main power of the child is get all what she wants, she has the persuasion´s power. Her decision of stay with Kelly unleashed almost the conception of her brother. The second child will be almost like the half twin of this baby, separated by time.
ReplyDeleteNick is not gonna to have a kid with Juliette, but with Adalind . That´s the true, and for me is much better choice that some stupid theory "alternate moma theory".
Juliette is who she choose to be: the killer of Nick´s mother. She maybe did not hit her, but by her fault the Royals killed Kelly, and now the "baby-i don´t know what more-theory", i think not. Claire said Adalind will deliver in S5, so i trust in the Adalind´s survival and her baby. Diana will not stand with the Royals much more.
The Royals will probably go to Portland PD and tell them that he's actually Prince William, husband to Princess Kate, Duchess of Cambridge, who just had a child this week named Charlotte, and think they may have mistaken him for someone who calls himself "Kenneth". :D
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpueQdJiSqk
I think for the first time,Grimm Fans know what to expect in the finale-Juliette's death.I still like her but it's pretty clear the writers doesn't.The way they treated this character is just sad.Anyway,all i wish now is that her death is the most unique one in this show so far! :-(
ReplyDeleteGrimm 4x22 "Cry Havoc" (Season Finale) - On the heels of a shocking discovery, Nick (David Giuntoli) is hell bent on getting revenge and taking the fight to the Royals with help from Trubel (guest star Jacqueline Toboni). Meanwhile, Juliette's (Bitsie Tulloch) alliance continues to lead her down a dark path. Russell Hornsby, Silas Weir Mitchell, Sasha Roiz, Reggie Lee, Bree Turner and Claire Coffee also star.
ReplyDeleteI have a bad feeling they are going to redeem the b!tch.
ReplyDeleteKeneth's crew of royal lapdogs killed a LOT of civilians all around Nick's house to set up that trap, so i mainly wish they r either all killed by team grimm or sentenced to life in prison and kept there for a very very long time. mainly the first, really, though i'd b ok with the second.
ReplyDeleteJuliet needs to die ASAP, i think their trying to create a new storyline with focusing on the supernatural babies, Diana and nick's son maybe the royal family will want both of them to use as pawns in the fight to get all of the 7 keys to open the treasure that was from buried. Nick is going to go zombie mode and all the royals especially kenneth!
ReplyDeleteIt has in other shows (CSI Miami) Maybe the shows just make the rules up as they go along for ratings sake but confusing all of us along the way, lol.
ReplyDeleteI don't think they had to kill the neighbors. I mean, those people have to be already pretty oblivious, what with all the goings on at that house through the years.
ReplyDeleteI think this will be my last Grimm episode, I can see it.
ReplyDeleteI don't want Juliette to die (not yet at least), she makes a superb villain. If all the Royals and Juliette were killed in the finale a huge part of the storytelling would be wiped away, I don't think the writers are going there. I would like to see more of the keys/map story next year!
ReplyDeleteWhy leave now? The ratings are so low, next season will be the last, may as well get a sense of completion.
ReplyDeleteGrimm got away . I think they also set a trip for nick too., but he got way.
ReplyDeleteThis finale is going to kick ass. Love the title of the episode, a reference to Shakespeare's Julius Caesar. "Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war". Mark Antony says it after the funeral service for Caesar
ReplyDeleteThe thing is, Henrietta & Kelly have dead, 2 people. We should to wait more deaths? Here is the question. And we must wait the famous cliffhanger in the Game of Thrones style. Nobody is save.
ReplyDeleteThank you for that explanation. I always like to know the meaning of the titles.
ReplyDeleteYou're welcome, mate ;-)
ReplyDelete"....and let slip the dogs of wa! "
ReplyDeleteHey Grimm writers if you kill Juliette off I will watch the show next season. I swear. I have been missing episodes this season because I don't like some of the direction the show has been going but if Juliette is gone and we don't have to deal with super hexenbeast Juliette any more I would gladly tune in for one more final season to wrap things up. I want to see a little angsty, single Nick and the gang. I want to see the show have a decent ending over all but I don't know if I can continue if she surivives and is still there after all she did this season to the Nick and the group. I will officially stop watching probably. Kill her off and keep some viewership ;)
ReplyDeleteSeriously? Noooooooooo!!!!! WTH are the writers thinking? I'd be seriously pissed if the royals were no longer a threat after the end of the season. At this point, I don't think it would be possible to wrap up the key storyline if the royals were no longer a threat. So I'm hoping that the comment was just a red herring of sorts.
ReplyDeleteYeah, but the EPs have basically said that Juliette is safe! And personally, despite how evil Juliette has become, I highly doubt that they'd kill her off during the season finale, not when she's finally become a good villain. Personally, I think they're going have it come down to a moment where Juliette either simply tries to kill Nick (and Nick despite his Grimm abilities is basically defenseless because of his emotions) or she will end up actually seriously injuring Nick somehow and then the screen will fade to black. David Guintoli explicitly stated albeit rather coyly that "no one is safe" implying that something major could happen to Nick in the finale.
ReplyDeleteDespite the fact that several other major spoilers turned out to be red herrings of sorts, I think that statement might imply that something happens to Nick in the season finale. At this point, there's nothing to stop Juliette from actually trying to kill Nick.
ReplyDeleteThere's absolutely no way Juliette is surviving the finale.I'll believe it when i see it(What you're saying).I sure hope i'm wrong.
ReplyDeleteA regular would be dead right? goodbye Juliette :)
ReplyDeleteYes! Go all out Grimm for us, Nick!
ReplyDeleteDiplomatic immunity doesn't hold on charges of Terrorism, Conspiracy, or Mass Murder. All of which he commited last episode. =P His family wont get him off if they do... the grimm will finish him. At least I hope. =P
ReplyDeleteI think Juliette will release to him. She is lost without him. Like Nick was her light, Kenneth is her darkness.
ReplyDeleteYes Bitsie said that in her facebook. I think that maybe is in reference to Nick´s revenge. Maybe Nick´s gang will kill Kenneth or the same king, but the rest of Royals will run away. But will be survivors, and the hierarchical structure will have to be composed with news characters in the next season.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, Hank in one of the promotional photos of 4X22 is fighting with the King.
I have my doubts. I always have thought that Juliette would be the great villains for the season 5. I think Juliette is gonna to survive, and Kenneth too. But i´m not sure, I can imagine a kind of cliffhanger in the last moment, while the fight of Nick vs Juliette, something will happen, maybe Trubel will hurt her, and she will run away with the next of Royals yet alive who will have Diana. Is difficult say "No" to a villain so good done as Juliette now. But by other hand what she made with mama Grimm....i hate her deeply.
ReplyDeleteIf she have the supernatural power to give life to the dead, yes, could be redeemed.
ReplyDeleteBut she´s not like Jesus. I´m sorry. The Redemption Arc in season 5 will be for Adalind, not for Juliette. Two redemptions arcs are impossibles at same time. Well the Adalind´s arc is working just now since some episodes ago...
I really doubt that the cliffhanger will involve something happening to Juliette, as that would be rather anticlimactic. It may be what the fans hope for, but it's still unlikely they'll kill her in the finale.
ReplyDeleteSomething is coming, something very big and unexpected, AWESOME finale.
ReplyDeleteAnother cliffhanger that i´m waiting is Adelind in labour...
ReplyDeleteYeah, i´m agree. Juliette´s faith will be clousured first.
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