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POLL : What did you think of Once Upon a Time - Lily?

27 Apr 2015

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217 comments:

  1. klutzy_girl27 April 2015 at 02:01

    Basically my only thought is what the fuck. Are Regina and Robin going to end up raising this baby? Poor Robin. And where's Roland?

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  2. Ivana J Jarmon27 April 2015 at 02:02

    GREAT episode!!!!!That Ending tho smh Just WoW!!!!

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  3. Aleana Harris27 April 2015 at 02:04

    Really Zelena pregnant this show just became soapy

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  4. Ethan Howard27 April 2015 at 02:05

    Episode was really cool, and especially loved seeing young Emma and Lily again. That twist at the ending though really confused me. Like did Robin already know Marion was Zelena when Regina got there?

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  5. Zooey27 April 2015 at 02:07

    These episodes have been so strong... I'm loving them all!!! Although, really could have done without Zelena being pregnant with Robin's child... not really sure how they're gonna fix that one. lol

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  6. Jo27 April 2015 at 02:11

    Regina was going to save his ass! Then he impregnated the wicked witch. Take in I wasn't going to watch this episode. I'm not putting myself through this anymore.

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  7. StephonJS27 April 2015 at 02:11

    OUAT Gods please let this be a lie. I wasnt serious when i said this 2 weeks ago. I WAS PLAYING. Please let this be a lie PLEASE!!!

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  8. Jo27 April 2015 at 02:11

    I really hope she's lying

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  9. ivan27 April 2015 at 02:12

    i was on the EDGE of my seat when Emma had her gun on Lily, i couldn't even relax when Emma put the gun down

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  10. MMisfits27 April 2015 at 02:12

    People barely come to the real world and already got pregnant. lol

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  11. ivan27 April 2015 at 02:12

    no i think it's more that she was pregnant, didn't you see him back away?

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  12. MMisfits27 April 2015 at 02:13

    Comes to the real world and already got pregnant. lol

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  13. ivan27 April 2015 at 02:13

    yeah because if they kill her they're killing the baby

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  14. ivan27 April 2015 at 02:15

    I KNEW I JUST FREAKING KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i kept yelling "NO!" when Robin said he CAN'T leave her, i was HORRIFIED that Emma might pull the trigger

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  15. Nordica27 April 2015 at 02:18

    For the love of GRRRRRRRR. I'm not happy ...

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  16. ivan27 April 2015 at 02:29

    that needs more EWs LOL

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  17. StephonJS27 April 2015 at 02:29

    I Demand Maury come on this show and do a DNA test?!

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  18. BlueStar27 April 2015 at 02:30

    Come on, not another pregnancy getting in the way of a villain getting killed! (I watch Grimm)

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  19. Sara27 April 2015 at 02:30

    Um, so they went with blatant on screen racism AGAIN and a baby from rape? Can this show EVER stop with the rape? Like, we get it, A&E, you love rape.

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  20. Sara27 April 2015 at 02:33

    Robin was raped so, uh, maybe not blame him for that.

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  21. ivan27 April 2015 at 02:34

    hey you changed you avatar, i didn't even recognize you LOL

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  22. OUATFanatic27 April 2015 at 02:36

    Holy crap I didn't see that coming! I feel Zelena is faking but who knows! I'm not ready for the season to end!

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  23. OUATFanatic27 April 2015 at 02:38

    Loved tonight's episode! I was scared Emma was going to pull the trigger

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  24. CatMack2427 April 2015 at 02:43

    Oh good. A rape baby. I’m sure these writers will handle this storyline with respect and tact. They have such a great concept of consent.

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  25. Jo27 April 2015 at 02:47

    How do you know he was raped?

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  26. "A"27 April 2015 at 02:56

    And Robin "You Are The Father !"

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  27. Saqqarabn27 April 2015 at 03:00

    I think he thought it was Marion he's been sleeping with. I guess he really was over Regina, so much for being soulmate's.

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  28. Zooey27 April 2015 at 03:03

    I know everyone is fed up with Rumple, and I am too... but I also was right there with Belle when she pulled away from Will and looked at him longingly. lol. I don't want them to wrap this up in a way that would not be fair to Belle's character and the amount of changing that takes time for Rumple's character to do to deserve her... but I still want them back together eventually. Loved the scenes from tonight. Hardcore Rumbeller. ; )

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  29. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 03:05

    Unless he knew it was Zelena and consented, it was rape by definition.

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  30. Saqqarabn27 April 2015 at 03:06

    Robin may have been deceived about who he was sleeping with, but I doubt after "Heart of Gold" he was an unwilling participant.

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  31. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 03:07

    She is wearing a glamour spell, but I don't know if that allows a person to fake a pregnancy. I really want to see what happens next.

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  32. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 03:08

    Being deceived about who he was sleeping with = being an unwilling participant.

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  33. Saqqarabn27 April 2015 at 03:10

    I loved everything except the ending. I had hopes for an OutlawQueen reunion soon, now I just want Regina to get as far away from Robin as she can. Seriously I want Regina and Emma to leave Zelena and Robin in New York.

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  34. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 03:10

    Being deceived about who he was sleeping with = being an unwilling
    participant. To use China Mieville's term, it was choice theft.

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  35. Sara27 April 2015 at 03:20

    Because Robin never consented to have sex with Regina. He consented to have sex with Marian.

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  36. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 03:20

    You mean Zelena.

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  37. Sara27 April 2015 at 03:20

    (the commented had already been edited when you replied)

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  38. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 03:21

    How the heck did my comment get double posted as a "Guest" after I added to it?

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  39. Connie Serrano27 April 2015 at 03:22

    I don't think Zelena is really pregnant. Why should anybody believe her? She is the queen of deceiving and lying ffs. Just another lie to keep OQ having some drama, sigh. So tired of this bs. They are gonna end up together, ANYWAYS. I swear to god this stupid show and writers.

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  40. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 03:23

    (I hit "one new comment above" as soon as it appeared, and it still looks like "Regina" because the page hasn't refreshed)

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  41. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 03:28

    I suppose they could transfer the baby to Regina with magic so that they're free to lock Zelena out of Storybrooke. But that might be too "out there".

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  42. ivan27 April 2015 at 03:30

    or KILL her for real this time, after the baby's safe

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  43. ivan27 April 2015 at 03:31

    LOL

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  44. Mr. Edmodo27 April 2015 at 03:31

    OUAT is becoming more and more of a soap.

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  45. Mr. Edmodo27 April 2015 at 03:33

    When Emma was pointing the trigger on Lily and there was a wide shot, I almost thought she was going to shoot her.

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  46. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 03:33

    Sure, though it wouldn't be their first choice, as heroes. Satisfying as it might be. At the very least she belongs in jail, but in Storybrooke, she's too dangerous. In New York, they can't prove to the authorities that she's guilty of anything, but she can't recreate most of her bad deeds without magic. And they can keep her out of town by denying her access to the Snow Queen's scroll.

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  47. Tesla27 April 2015 at 03:33

    yeh, might be time to call it quits on this one.

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  48. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 03:36

    I too. I was ready to hear the shot, though equally ready for there not to be one; it was that...













    there
    should be an adjective to describe a moment that’s full of the very
    real, palpable potential to go either way.

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  49. Mr. Edmodo27 April 2015 at 03:38

    Pregnant my a**
    Regina should give Zelena an abortion by ripping her heart out and squeezing it.

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  50. klutzy_girl27 April 2015 at 03:39

    That would actually be really fascinating (could explore in fic) but I doubt it'll happen on the show.

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  51. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 03:40

    I would read that fic. Be sure to link me if you write it.

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  52. SGU27 April 2015 at 03:51

    Felt like a lot of setup. For some reason when Robin isn't there I don't miss him but when he appears I'm like YAY! The shippers in this fandom are seriously getting on my nerves now though, they're acting like 2 year olds that just got their favourite toy taken off them. The promo for next week (and the finale?) looked awesome!

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  53. CatMack2427 April 2015 at 03:53

    If you consent under fraudulent circumstances, it's rape. It's called rape by fraud or rape by deception. Robin consented to sex with Marian. He didn't consent to sex with Zelena.

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  54. BlueStar27 April 2015 at 03:55

    Reminded me more of a Fairy Tale Maury episode ending. Ack

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  55. Mr. Edmodo27 April 2015 at 03:55

    Disqus has glitches.

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  56. Pablo Troncoso27 April 2015 at 03:59

    It was amazing right up until the pregnancy twist; seriously? Lame move writers

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  57. ivan27 April 2015 at 04:06

    i guess, but we DO have a murky hero, an anti-hero as it were in town: regina. She could be able to kill her

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  58. ivan27 April 2015 at 04:07

    oh i LOVED your new fanfic, is it just a one-shot or is it a FULL fanfic?

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  59. Kris Smith27 April 2015 at 04:08

    - Why is she looking on microfiche? There's this thing called the internet.
    - Notice that it was Regina that followed her, not Hook.
    - I've noticed that all of Regina's girlfriends on Once Upon a Time are blonde: Tinkerbell, Maleficent, and Emma.
    - Regina hands off Belle's heart to Mal. Why would that be?
    - Emma giving her parents the cold shoulder is everything. Emma kissing Hook is...ewwwwwww.
    - Emma and Lily's combined evil keeps driving Lily to bad things.
    - Regina can bring Emma back from the edge.
    - I recognize that wolf. But what does it ultimately mean?
    - Wait a minute. Is that Buffy? I know that she ran away to work at a diner.
    - Maleficent tells the Charmings how it is.
    - So Emma's superpower is flawless with Regina and Lily? I didn't say anything, you thought it.
    - Ex-Girlfriend stalker much, Lily?
    - How did Lily know? Hmmmmm...August? Neal? Rumple? Oh. Well, I suppose that's a good explanation.
    - So did the roadtrip continue in the beetle, or did they switch to the muscle car?
    - Is Robin going to be Zelena in disguise?
    - Zelena is pregnant with Robin's child, and Outlaw Queen is (hopefully) dead. YES! It's done! NO! Don't have Robin stick around more. I'm so conflicted.
    - Mother and daughter together...and still out for revenge.
    - That looks like Lily as a dragon.
    - I notice that I didn't see Robin, aka Constipation Face, next episode.
    - Juxtaposition: Blonde Maleficent has brunette Lily for a daughter. Brunette Snow has blonde Emma for a daughter.

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  60. asdasdasdasdasda27 April 2015 at 04:09

    Lily's suddenly white. This show is just another soap opera. A cliffhanger that ends in "she's pregnant" is not worthy of my time. I'm done.

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  61. ivan27 April 2015 at 04:10

    she's ALWAYS been white, i don't get this whole "racist" people are mentioning

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  62. ivan27 April 2015 at 04:10

    The Apprentice told her, in the bus remember

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  63. asdasdasdasdasda27 April 2015 at 04:11

    He wasn't raped. At all. He had sex with someone willingly. If you think that "deceiving" someone into having sex with you is raping them, then boy, pretty much everyone in the world has raped someone at least once.

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  64. Kris Smith27 April 2015 at 04:11

    It's a train of thought while watching the show.

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  65. ivan27 April 2015 at 04:11

    huh?

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  66. Kris Smith27 April 2015 at 04:12

    It's my thoughts while watching the show. Not a summation after watching the show.

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  67. maureen27 April 2015 at 04:12

    There were some great moments in this episode. Emma choosing not to shoot Lily was one. Unfortuneatly there were also some WTF moments. First I didn't really think Regina had stolen Belle's heart. Can we please see a good story on Belle? And is Wills purpose in SB t protect Belle's heart? -please? They are starting to tell that story as badly as Outlaw Queen
    Which being me to the defining moment of this episode for me. That last scene was ludicrous. I have loved the writing for this show for 3 seasons but I am sorry to say what happened? The way the Outlaw queen story is being told is absolute disaster? Even fans who ship Outlaw Queen are shaking their heads. Almost as much as the constant angst and walls that CS face every episode but we did get a two second scene tonight where Killian again told Emma how he feels with no response-but it's inky a matter of time before CS gets destroyed like all the other couples so I can't even really enjoy the, as a couple,anymore either. I just want my Once Upon A time back I fell in love with for 3 seasons. I used to be so happy after watching the episodes, now I m just mad and all the stuff I am hearing about next season is making me even madder-please being back our beloved show!

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  68. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 04:19

    She intentionally spared her last time, but she might think that was a mistake now (though it was more Gold's attempt to kill Zelena that created the mess).

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  69. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 04:24

    What is it about?

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  70. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 04:24

    I noticed that last too. Although Nicole's hair is black and Agnes's is brown.

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  71. Kris Smith27 April 2015 at 04:26

    I believe that raven haired people are considered brunettes.

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  72. asdasdasdasdasda27 April 2015 at 04:27

    If you think the actress playing young Kily is white, you're blind. She's clearly latina. There's no racism. Ethnicities are a real thing.

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  73. Kris Smith27 April 2015 at 04:28

    Her name is Nicole Muñoz, and she is a latina.

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  74. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 04:29

    I know. I wasn't disagreeing with that, I was saying her hair changed color.

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  75. Kris Smith27 April 2015 at 04:31

    It actually hasn't, or rather not beyond the change that some people go through while growing up. Nicole Munoz's hair is a dark brown, you just need to see it in strong light. http://cdn3-www.craveonline.com/assets/uploads/2013/05/Nicole-Munoz.jpg

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  76. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 04:33

    If you say so.

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  77. ivan27 April 2015 at 04:37

    well a commenter here calls it "racist" i think sara

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  78. maureen27 April 2015 at 04:37

    I do too. I still love the chipped teacup speech and want them together as well though can't see the light at the end off the tunnel, though with how they are writing other couples they could be together again next week!

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  79. supernana49427 April 2015 at 04:55

    - It was amazing! Lily/Emma and Emma/Regina were really good!
    - I'm disapointed about Belle's heart because I tought Regina had Belle's consent...
    - I don't care at all about Robin or OQ so that twist didn't hurt but it was still so "soap opera-y" :p So please can't we stop with this horrible writing for OQ..... (or just stop OQ :p)
    - Agnes was good but the casting was still a BIG fail when you see young Lily... What were they thinking??

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  80. CatMack2427 April 2015 at 05:01

    I've seen a number of real rape victims condemn this storyline and call it rape, so I don't know who you think you're going to get on your side. Rape by fraud is when you obtain consent but it's through fraudulent means. Misrepresenting yourself to get consent when you know you would be unable to gain consent by telling the truth is absolutely rape. Robin consented to sex with Marian. Robin did not consent to sex with Zelena. Robin could not consent to sex with Zelena because he did not know he was having sex with Zelena. To put it in real world terms - if you're married to Bob and Bob's identical brother Zack gets into bed with you and you have sex with him thinking he's Bob, Zack has committed rape by fraud because you did not consent to sex with Zach, you consented to sex with Bob. Zelena didn't lie about her name, she was literally pretending to be another person. That is absolutely rape, whether you think it is or not. Rape is a moral absolute, it doesn't require your belief to be true or not.

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  81. asdasdasdasdasda27 April 2015 at 05:31

    Misrepresenting yourself = lying. I have done that a hundred times. If you think I'm a rapist for that, then I feel sorry for you. Robin had consensual sex. That's all there is to it. He wasn't raped. He was deceived. Find it inmoral all you want. But stop calling it RAPE.

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  82. C Spottswood27 April 2015 at 05:34

    Looks like a load of nonsense starting with the idea that the Author could still record but not alter the stories now that he was in the book. How does he do that with no quill or ink? next they have Lillith being told of Storybrooke but never going there, why? Next comes the black wolf in the middle of Massachusetts, and lightning in the world with no magic. "Lucy you are gonna have some splaining to do" . This was a poor episode interest wise and reason wise, as in why worry about Belle's heart when destroying Emma's heart should turn Rumple's heart black as well? This was just so much nothing.

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  83. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 05:37

    "How does he do that with no quill or ink?"

    I suppose by being the animating spirit of the book.

    "next they have Lillith being told of Storybrooke but never going there, why?"

    She couldn't find it. We saw that on her map.

    "Next comes the black wolf in the middle of Massachusetts, and lightning in the world with no magic."

    The wolf has appeared before, and Emma has caused electrical activity in the Land Without Magic before.

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  84. CatMack2427 April 2015 at 05:38

    No actually, not everyone lies to get people into bed. That is a very sad, twisted view of sex and relationships. If that's what you think, then yeah, you've probably raped, because you clearly have no clue what consent means.

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  85. asdasdasdasdasda27 April 2015 at 05:42

    Yeah, I've raped tons of people. Get real.

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  86. CatMack2427 April 2015 at 05:48

    You admit you have to lie and deceive to get anyone to sleep with you, and I'm the one who needs to grow up. Oh honey, bless your heart.

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  87. asdasdasdasdasda27 April 2015 at 05:48

    I feel no shame in admitting I lie, because there's NOTHING WRONG wiht lying. That's your problem.

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  88. ivan27 April 2015 at 05:59

    it all leads to gold doesn't it, that SOB but maybe regina FINALLY decides to kill her this time

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  89. ivan27 April 2015 at 05:59

    i's a SHIELD fanfic

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  90. ivan27 April 2015 at 06:01

    ah! ok, that's really cool, like a live discussion?

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  91. ivan27 April 2015 at 06:02

    we don't really know because belle doesn't remember

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  92. ivan27 April 2015 at 06:04

    yeah it seems like Emma is the only one who has magic OUTSIDE of Stroybrooke

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  93. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 06:05

    Link?

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  94. Rumplefan27 April 2015 at 06:26

    real Love is: to let go so can kept :-) my Rumple!!!

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  95. Rumplefan27 April 2015 at 06:35

    Again a great episode, I love the whole season 4 very much.
    Fight between Lily and Emma, very intense.
    And my Rumple, second time after S2E04 he says goodbye to his love and goes... so great he and Will tricked Maleficent. He's still the greatest "trickster", the Dark One, the master ;-)
    I'm happy that Belle hasn't given herself the heart to Regina, wasn't sure about.
    I knew it! I knew it! I knew it! cliffhanger for next episode that Zelena will say that she's pregnant, was too obviously that the creators write this, really.

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  96. nivekious27 April 2015 at 06:43

    Love that the creators actually used cinematography to raise the tension and make us assume it was going to go that way. Though after seeing the preview for next week I have to wonder what they hell they're thinking bringing her back to Storybrooke. Why not just tell Malificent where to find her and let them both stay out of town?

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  97. Kris Smith27 April 2015 at 06:51

    Sort of, yes.

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  98. C Spottswood27 April 2015 at 06:52

    Emma found it no map at all. Think back and remember if Emma caused a lightning bolt to come out of the air or a transformer just arched a little. This was different and seriously, nonsense and the fact people have to make it up for themsleves not good nonsense.

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  99. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 07:03

    "Emma found it no map at all."

    Henry took her there.

    "Think back and remember if Emma caused a lightning bolt to come out of the air or a transformer just arched a little."


    Of course, the reaction was more violent this time, she was fighting. Not only that, but fighting her counterpart, who I think contributed to it too. And she's come into her powers by now. There's no stretch of the imagination involved.

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  100. Spindae227 April 2015 at 07:15

    Great episode in the department of developing a story, while Emma's acting in the first part of the episode was just way to much. Don't know what they intend to do with this overall, it felt unnatural.
    But from the moment she started to share scenes with adult Lily, I was just thrown away. They were just on point and adorable. I loved the twist with Lily knowing and the Apprentice telling her.

    The flashbacks were intriguing and worked really well. I adore Abby she does such a great job. And poor poor Emma, her darkness followed her all around and destroyed her life as well.

    Just 2 more episodes.

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  101. Jordana3427 April 2015 at 07:18

    One of the more entertaining episodes this season. The story with Lilith actually is intriguing, but a lot of it doesn't makes sense. In fact, this entire chapter about the author of the book has a lot of plot holes. I'm also not looking forward to another big vengeance-against-the-Charmings story. Yes, Lilith is a lot more justified in hating Snow and Charming than Regina ever was, but the show just seems a lot more willing to forgive the villains for every terrible thing that they do than forgive the Charmings for anything they do. Emma was separated from her parents because of what Regina did, yet most of her resentment has always been directed at her parents for abandoning he, not Regina. Also, the idea that bad things keep happening to Lilith because of fate, or because of Emma, is ridiculous. Bad things keep happening to Lily because she does awful things. Unlike Emma, she was actually adopted from the very beginning by a seemingly good family, and had every opportunity to have a good life.

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  102. tivaforever327 April 2015 at 07:26

    Well considering we have no idea who the father is yet and the actress who plays Mal is caucasian I think it is the opposite of racism. The fact that a Latina girl got the part of a young girl meant to be a caucasian person's child proves casting doesn't care about the ethnicity and it is just based on talent. I mean this show had a black rapunzel, OUAT is far from racist

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  103. tivaforever327 April 2015 at 07:35

    I swear everyone has to pick and tear apart every bit of this show it is ridiculous! You are ruining this show for yourselves by complaining before the damn season is over. I mean like, yeah maybe it's a little soap operay with Zelena being preggers but they clearly have a plan to get OQ together or they wouldn't have even bothered to have regina go there. Yeah, they messed up with the casting but I think it's a credit to both of the actors playing young and old Lily that they impressed casting enough that they didn't care about ethnicities (because technically considering just Mal is known as the parent she should have been caucasian but Nicole got the part anyway because they obviously liked her for the part) and seriously if you all stuck with this show long enough you could just trust A&E that they have a plan. This is meant to be entertainment, it's meant to be enjoyed, so calm down and enjoy it

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  104. Oncer60227 April 2015 at 07:44

    This was so gross. And I so hope it is not true. I thought after bringing Marian back they cannot screw up OQ with something else, guess I was wrong. And this is just so disgusting. Although I knew that they probably "share their bed" I never wanted my face to be pushed into it like into a stinking puddle of mud. And why the hell is Zelena such a psychopath? She was mad yes but getting impregnated just to destroy your sister's life is way over the line.

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  105. Oncer60227 April 2015 at 07:46

    She couldn't be far along. In the first weeks it is easy to fake a pregnancy. Lets hope it is fake. I can't imagine this child born for being just a pawn into an insane plot to destroy another ones life. There are so many reasons why this is morally one of the worst things they did on the show.

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  106. Oncer60227 April 2015 at 07:54

    It was not just "deceiving" into having sex. He thought it was Marian. He did not know what was happening. When you lie to someone to have sex at a ONS he/she excepts that there is a risk that you lied but this is more like being drugged to be willing and this equals rape.

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  107. Oncer60227 April 2015 at 07:57

    No he didn't knew. That was why he was so shocked because he had impregnated Zelena.

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  108. Nordica27 April 2015 at 07:58

    She's either faking it - or the author changes it. Although that's also kind of gross when it's a child.

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  109. Oncer60227 April 2015 at 08:00

    Well there is no fixing this. Hopefully she is faking it.

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  110. Nordica27 April 2015 at 08:01

    I know. They're really messing horribly with what could/should be a great love story. It's getting icky. And I'm usually very patient with the writers. Not so much today.

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  111. Oncer60227 April 2015 at 08:02

    Let's hope Zelena is faking. Because no matter how strong this code of honor of his might be, Robin can't stay with Zelena to raise a "rape" child. And even if Regina and Robin would raise the child, I won't want this child to be true because it's only reason for existence is revenge. We have enough screwed up children on the show.
    And for Roland: I am so glad he wasn't there. That would have been a trauma he would never could processed.

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  112. Oncer60227 April 2015 at 08:05

    He was only willing because he thought it was Marian. It's like being drugged to have willingly sex which equals rape.

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  113. Nordica27 April 2015 at 08:11

    Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww ;-)

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  114. Oncer60227 April 2015 at 08:13

    The OQ ending was a hit in the face but I don't understand how this is any of Robin's fault. And he thinks he has to stay with her because its honorable not to leave your child (well, it is, I suppose). This is a punsh in the face for Regina, yes. But the victim in this story is Robin. First being used to plot against Regina, than being deceived by Zelena to sleep with her and to get pregnant. And never forget how she played with his feelings making him doubt his feelings for his deceased wife and ruining her memory. Zelena made him him leave Regina in the first place and making doubt himself and everything he believes in. He only choose to try it with Marian because it was the only thing he could do without leaving his wife (and Roland). He did the best he could do depending on his knowledge.

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  115. Oncer60227 April 2015 at 08:15

    No that would be to logical. Heroes always cause their own problems.^^

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  116. Oncer60227 April 2015 at 08:15

    Seconded!

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  117. Nordica27 April 2015 at 08:17

    I agree. Robin is the ham in a very chaotic sandwich here. But we could fault him for being written as a bit too clueless and the going back and forth etc. Also, he didn't believe Regina when she told him about Zelena. I know it's quite a story, but he previously stated that he trusted Regina completely. But true, he has been in a difficult spot for a long time.

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  118. Oncer60227 April 2015 at 08:19

    Yes, let's hope, nay, pray it is a fake. All other options are nasty and distgusting.

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  119. Nordica27 April 2015 at 08:21

    I agree with you on this. It's easy to over-interpret and we shouldn't. I usually trust the writers and just enjoy discussing the twists. But those last five minutes this week just really irks me ...

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  120. Oncer60227 April 2015 at 08:25

    Me too. I mean when Marian came back, I was crushed but I still had hope and it we were left to long for OQ to be reunited because of their love for each other no matter the consequences. But this? This is no consequence and no obstacle, this is screwing with more than one life totally. I mean some people blame Robin for being guilty of impregnating Zelena but if you think about what she did to him it is worse than what she did to Regina. His life is scattered into pieces if this is true. He could have lived with Marian but now everything he lived for is spit on. I wondered how the hell he did not threw up when he discovered the truth.

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  121. Nordica27 April 2015 at 08:28

    Yes. Now he's lost Marian twice, as has Roland.

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  122. Oncer60227 April 2015 at 08:32

    Yes, he could be written better but I would rather hope their story would have been written better. Throwing in a formely deceased wife was a huge obstacle which was a tad too much back then but as much as I love the idea of OQ for all they represent this is wrong and destroys beauty of their love story.

    When Robin did not believe Regina at first I believed Rumple had already warned Zelena. But maybe he reacted this way because it really is quite the unbelievable stoy.

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  123. Nordica27 April 2015 at 08:36

    Yes. I was thinking that maybe Rumple warned Zelena after getting Belle's heart back in time for Zelena/Marian to tell Robin she's pregnant just before Regina showed up. But maybe not. What we need now is for the lost beauty to be brought back into the story. Because you're right ... it's really faded.

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  124. Oncer60227 April 2015 at 08:39

    If it weren't for the 'pregnancy' (I refuse to believe it until its confirmed), he should kill Zelena for this. Not only for him and Regina but for Roland. Maybe that is why the authors felt the need to make Zelena claim she is pregnant because otherwise there would have been no reason not to murder her if being in Regina's or Robin's position.
    Yes the reunion was sooooooo lame. Just as I was smiling about their embrace it was over and then the fairy ride turned into a horror show.

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  125. Nordica27 April 2015 at 08:43

    LOL. True. We want the fairy ride back. Right now there's just the picture of Regina having been missing Robin terribly while he has been getting her sister pregnant. So wrong and void of fairy dust ;-)

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  126. Oncer60227 April 2015 at 08:47

    Once upon a time their love was pure and innocent with a bit of tension but now... As much as I would love Regina to become happy this fight for love must be the dirtiest thing that happened to her. The irony for how often she rescued Marian is so bitter I wish she makes Zelena suffer. I think we need at least a sweet flashback about them.

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  127. Nordica27 April 2015 at 08:48

    I think we'll get it in the finale and they are going to be together at last.

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  128. Michu194527 April 2015 at 08:49

    Zelena's faking her pregnancy. That is obvious like sun. She is a woman and woman can do this, because every pregnant woman has a flat belly until 5th month of pregnancy. *I am talking only about fictional character. Not about woman in generally.*

    SHE IS THE QUEEN OF LIES: only in that way she can keep Regina and Robin apart.

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  129. Oncer60227 April 2015 at 08:51

    This image gives me goose bumps. Ugh, poor Robin, what did you do?

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  130. Oncer60227 April 2015 at 08:54

    I so hope you're right. And yes, it is easy to fake a pregnancy. For how long could she be 'pregnant' now? Six or seven weeks at most, I think. Two months are easy to fake.

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  131. Nordica27 April 2015 at 09:10

    Oh, I hope so!!

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  132. The Doctor27 April 2015 at 09:13

    OMG that was the most hilarious plot twist ever. Loved the episode overall, this show really needs more Regina/Emma interaction.

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  133. Spindae227 April 2015 at 09:26

    I really hope not and I doubt the Execs would play around with this stuff. Besides that a perfect way to keep Zelena around for next season.

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  134. ivan27 April 2015 at 09:45

    i put on Google: Marel's Agents of SHIELD Fanfiction Archive and it was there

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  135. ivan27 April 2015 at 09:45

    MUCH better LOL

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  136. WonderRomane27 April 2015 at 10:44

    I would have voted awesome without those awful last minutes. That kind of plot twist isn't even clever and it's nasty. It ruined the episode and made it less possible to quickly kill the wicked witch, dammit. The rest sounds interesting according to the promo but that ughh I can't find excuses.


    To end on a good note the rest of the flashbacks was good, Lily is interesting and I really liked the flashbacks even if I'm not a big fan of decisions pushed by fate and things like that!

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  137. WonderRomane27 April 2015 at 10:56

    Yes but as I saw somewhere, Robin still slept with her and seemed to have no suspicions and ewww. I hope you're right really, it's still better without it.

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  138. Michu194527 April 2015 at 11:02

    Definitely, she'll be in town with a little protection (bracelets, blocking her magic)

    http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8677/16533038020_aef5ac5085_z.jpg

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  139. Spindae227 April 2015 at 11:09

    Oh Pan's bracelet! The one Tamara and Greg brought into town. Nice one.

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  140. Rumplefan27 April 2015 at 11:48

    yes, have seen this BTS-photos a few weeks ago on Twitter too and realized that could be the same. My question: is the same, Rumple had to wear too? if yes: blackmailed Regina Rumple to give, during she had Belle's heart?

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  141. Gaia Di Lorenzo27 April 2015 at 12:11

    awesome I cried like a baby

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  142. klutzy_girl27 April 2015 at 12:27

    Poor Robin and Roland. They're the true victims here.

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  143. klutzy_girl27 April 2015 at 12:28

    One-shots only!

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  144. Nordica27 April 2015 at 12:42

    So lame. I really hope they have a plan here ...

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  145. Dannii27 April 2015 at 12:45

    OUAT is literally terrible at representation, for both POC and LGBT. To say it’s a show about happy endings, it’s absolutely terrible how they portray representation.

    Tamara – killed her, but left Greg’s life ‘up to debate’

    Ursula – first of the QoD to leave

    Mulan – has been left, was forced into the love triangle, and her sexuality left out to the open??

    Lancelot – they killed him

    Sidney Glass – is constantly disregarded and used just for Regina’s benefit

    Marian – need I explain?

    Billy the car mechanic who worked at Marine Garage - killed

    The Dragon, the healer who ran that clinic in Hong Kong - killed

    Rapunzel – has been left, never to be spoken of again

    Regina Mills – need I explain? Her path to redemption has been a much larger challenge than Hook’s, she’s constantly reminded of her past, and things really haven’t been looking up for her (which is understandable given she’s been a main antagonist of the show, but still, she has been treated poorly at time).

    The fact they haven’t used Tiana yet, even though there’s been plenty of opportunity to include her or even MENTION her. Also, Pocahontas too! Some of the only poc representatives within the Disney universe and they haven’t used them.

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  146. James27 April 2015 at 12:53

    1. Add the popcorn and soda and we'll probably see Emma and Lily sitting there watching the family drama unfold like spectators. lol
    2. And to think I was gonna expect more interaction with Mal and Will. So disappointed.
    3. Oh and this is quite a good development on Rumple, expecting the worst while planning ahead by letting Will protect Belle.

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  147. Nordica27 April 2015 at 13:02

    Right. He's gone back and forth so many times. He chose Regina and then the next day goes to bed with Marian and vice versa. That's really doing the character a disservice.

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  148. supernana49427 April 2015 at 13:06

    yeah I hope they will clear it up!

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  149. Oncer60227 April 2015 at 13:10

    I understand what you mean but I don't think Regina is his second choice. He told her that because she was accusing Marian to be Zelena which Robin did not want to believe. He probably thought she was jealous. And as long as he believed this was Marian he could not go back to Regina because he couldn't leave his family especially as Marian/Zelena was pregnant. To me its a bad situation mixed with his poor choice of words. The only thing I don't like is that he chooses his family above Regina and stumbles between his heart and his honor but I can't really be angry about that. It really sucks that Zelena/Marian claims to be pregnant.

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  150. Michele Klinger27 April 2015 at 13:21

    This show has gotten so weird. I can accept the whole Emma storyline and even the Lilith/Emma stuff, but WHY IS ZELENA BACK?! I hated her when she was the main villain.....I don't want her back!

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  151. Em27 April 2015 at 13:26

    the lines between OUAT and The bold and the beautiful are getting pretty blurred (is that one still going btw?)

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  152. Lena27 April 2015 at 13:33

    I hate Zelena even more now...Can Regina get a break and be happy with Robin?! Ohh, my Outlaw Queen heart has become shattered! Zelena had better be lying!

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  153. WonderRomane27 April 2015 at 13:35

    Or the young and the restless.. Right now on french tv, before we changed I saw a woman is engaged with the Father of her children's daddy haha. That's a pity, without these 5 last minutes the episode was good and not so soapy :/

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  154. tivaforever327 April 2015 at 15:08

    Well do you want OUAT to end yet? They have plenty of time to still use Tiana and Pocohantus if it goes to season 5 or 6 or something so that's not an issue. Ursula wasn't purposefully the first to leave, I highly doubt the writer's sat down and thought hey let's get rid of the black QOD first. Jamie Chung has her own career to think about, she's in NY a lot of the time so that's why Mulan is not back. Rapunzel was part of their issue with going through too many characters too fast and now that they've stopped and slowed down it can be assumed she is on Storybrooke now with the second curse and could very well come back if they have a storyline that could involve her. Sidney Glass, well basically that is the role of the magic mirror to be submissive to the evil queen so why would they change it? I'm pretty sure A&E have so much of this series already mapped out before someone is even cast for a part so you can't just expect them to throw a character in for no reason once they cast them and realize that they are of different ethnicity or race actor/actress. I feel like that would be more insulting.

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  155. Regal on!!27 April 2015 at 15:16

    the same way they handle the Regina/Graham rape, like it isnt a big deal. This show is disgusting.

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  156. tivaforever327 April 2015 at 15:17

    The one thing is, couldn't Gold could have called Zelena once he got Belle's heart back? And then she could have lied. Also, think back to when David Nolan had sex with Kathryn after he got his memories back? That's kind of like Robin except Zelena knew what she was doing which is creepy but come on I actually saw this coming. They could always take the child away because she is psycho-o and she doesn't have any magic anymore

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  157. Chrιs27 April 2015 at 15:21

    That final scene ruined the episode. Pregnancy? Really? They need to stop adding soapy plots.

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  158. Kris Smith27 April 2015 at 15:29

    Here's a thought: We don't know who Lily's father is. When Regina goes to visit Maleficent to get the curse back, Maleficent tells her to find something else to love and indicates the black unicorn. As far as I can tell, Emma was conceived on Snow & Charming's wedding night, which is when Regina goes on her visit. Lily was conceived just a short while before that. Could the black unicorn be Lily's father. Could Lily's parents be a dragon and a unicorn?

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  159. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 15:46

    That doesn't help me without the title of the story.

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  160. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 15:47

    Can you link me to the fanfic that Ivan is talking about, please?

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  161. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 15:47

    And it would be irresponsible to allow Roland to remain near Zelena.

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  162. Nordica27 April 2015 at 15:48

    I thought about that, too ... Maybe. Hope so.

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  163. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 15:51

    On the other hand, if it's fake, it would take away from the impact of the episode cliffhanger for me.

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  164. tivaforever327 April 2015 at 15:52

    Plus in the finale spoiler pictures OQ is cuddling so it's pretty clear there is something that gets them back together which is what I am holdin out hope for

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  165. Nordica27 April 2015 at 15:53

    Yes, I know. I just don't want there to be a Zelena baby. If anybody should be having a baby, it should be Regina - her own, not her wicked sister's.

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  166. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 15:54

    At least it seems like they're making a bigger deal of this and won't be redeeming Zelena.

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  167. OUATFanatic27 April 2015 at 15:54

    Pretty sure the pregnancy is fake and it's just a plan to keep Robin close.

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  168. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 15:57

    I would agree if the actress playing adult Lily were also Latina. What people are complaining about re:the casting isn't Mal's daughter being Latina, it's her turning Caucasian when she grows up.

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  169. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 16:00

    I'm not sure I would want them to use Pocahontas and turn her into a denizen of the Enchanted Forest, given that she was a real person and it was already a distortion of Native American history when the Disney movie gave her a romance with John Smith. I think they should use Tiana.

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  170. tivaforever327 April 2015 at 16:00

    I understand that but honestly what if a Latina actress didn't even audition for the part of adult Lily? People are assuming that someone did but maybe they didn't, or maybe Agnes was the most qualified for the job? It isn't racism unless you know for a fact a Latina actress who was just as or more qualified for the job was beaten out for the role by Agnes. You just don't know.

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  171. klutzy_girl27 April 2015 at 16:01

    Here are my OUAT fics http://archiveofourown.org/users/klutzy_girl/works?fandom_id=379999 but ivan's talking about my AoS fics http://archiveofourown.org/users/klutzy_girl/works?fandom_id=879346

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  172. tivaforever327 April 2015 at 16:01

    Who knows if the baby will survive tho, A&E aren't exactly afraid to kill people

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  173. WonderRomane27 April 2015 at 16:03

    It better be. At least that. But what it implies is still bad. I hope they don't take it lightly.

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  174. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 16:04

    If I were them, I would have put "Latina" on the casting call to ensure that her appearance would be consistent with younger Lily. If you don't make it specific, then Latina actresses are less likely to audition. This means they didn't consider it important to do that.

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  175. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 16:05

    Yes, they said above. Thank you. Do you know which one they're referring to specifically?

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  176. tivaforever327 April 2015 at 16:12

    You don't know their thought process or their audition process, plain and simple. Maybe they did and they didn't get people they thought were right for the part? You don't know, so you can't say it is racism until you know exactly what happened. Agnes is great for the role and so is Nicole that should be all that matters until you know for sure.

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  177. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 16:25

    I do know how casting works in general. The fact is, the implication is that it's okay to pretend a Latina actress is playing a character that's really just a very tan Caucasian. And that's not okay, it's ethnicity-erasing. TV shows don't exist in a vacuum, they reflect attitudes that people aren't even consciously aware of and don't want to be made aware of.

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  178. klutzy_girl27 April 2015 at 16:34

    Maybe my newest one? And you're welcome! Thank you for being interested.

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  179. Sara27 April 2015 at 16:38

    It was a little too "circle of abuse", which Belle always falls for.

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  180. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 16:39

    I'm a fan of fanfic from a long way back. I used to write them before I started creative writing courses (I'm taking one with author Prof. Nnedi Okorafor, and a class about science fiction with her too). It allows fans to explore possibilities that the show doesn't have room for. Remember to let me know if you write that fic based on my idea!

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  181. Sara27 April 2015 at 16:41

    Blonde Maleficent also had a Latina daughter that magically turned white too.

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  182. tivaforever327 April 2015 at 16:41

    In general, yes, but not for this particular show, maybe A&E always had Agnes in mind and then Nicole impressed them (because obviously they had this storyline already played out in their heads). I am not saying that it is ok, but I don't think OUAT is consciously 'ethnicity-erasing.' They hire the best person for the job, the best person that auditioned for it, and yes Agnes is not Latina, but she is Russian and Hungarian. Yes, she is caucasian by definition but I keep saying, maybe this, maybe that, because WE DON'T KNOW what happened behind the scenes.

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  183. Sara27 April 2015 at 16:42

    ...that is not correct. The fact that a Latina girl got the role is great. That they later whitewashed the role into a white woman is racist

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  184. Sara27 April 2015 at 16:43

    Um...."this woman of colour is white!" why is the OUAT fandom so openly racist?

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  185. Sara27 April 2015 at 16:44

    Just for the record, saying "best for the role" is a noted term used to excuse racism.

    And it's absolutely NOT all that matters.

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  186. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 16:44

    Yes, I know it wasn't conscious or malicious or had any kind of intent behind it, but that's in fact what the nature of the problem is.

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  187. Sara27 April 2015 at 16:45

    With how racist OUAT is, I think it might be on purpose.

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  188. tivaforever327 April 2015 at 16:47

    Well what if a Latina didn't audition for the role of adult Lily?

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  189. Noneofyourbusiness27 April 2015 at 16:49

    I wouldn't say OUAT fandom is worse than others in that respect. You see the same arguments whenever there's a situation like this on TV. Conversely, there's a segment of OUAT fandom that's quite proud of Lana Parrilla's ethnicity not being erased by the show. There's always a wide range of both more and less well thought out opinions in a fandom this large. In fact, there's you and me and everyone else who's being vocal about their problem with this casting, too. I'm not sure who's in the majority.

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  190. Scarlett27 April 2015 at 16:49

    I thought it was a weak episode, to be honest. Lily is not very interesting to me. It looks like she's going to be just another villain. I was hoping for some sign that she had the free will to be a good person and that her fate wasn't controlled by someone else's actions before she was born but, alas, it looks like she's going to be another villain who blames her failings on others. Sigh. The only thing intriguing about her is the possibility that she was the wolf and that she is a werewolf like Ruby. (I miss Ruby.)
    On the bright side, the promo shows Emma fighting to protect her mother. Give me hero Emma back and give me Emma/Snowing bonding back. That's what I want to see. Regina spent the whole episode acting like Emma's mom, but she' s not Emma's mom. Snow is. Regina is the step-grandma who screwed over Emma and her parents. I need less Regina and more Snow, please!
    Also, another beautiful Captain Swan scene, which was a welcome break from the darkness. Too bad Outlaw Queen can't catch a break. Zelena is truly the sister from hell.

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  191. Sara27 April 2015 at 16:50

    Then they're definitely 100% racist

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  192. tivaforever327 April 2015 at 16:54

    So how does a show control who does or who doesn't audition for their tv show? That makes no sense. I mean, they could put 'Latina' in the role, but that doesn't mean someone who has dark hair won't audition for the role anyway.

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  193. Kris Smith27 April 2015 at 16:56

    Well, from the previews it looks like she can change into a dragon, so changing white doesn't seem particularly difficult.
    PS - Also, Emma already has one latina girlfriend, they didn't want to make it a thing.

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  194. Madison27 April 2015 at 17:13

    emma looked scary yesterday. is it just me or does she look unhealthy pale?

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  195. Saqqarabn27 April 2015 at 18:43

    ITA Regina was kind of acting like Emma's mom. But they were the only two outside of Storybrook so I really didn't have a problem with it. Someone needed to keep Emma grounded and from crossing the line into Darkness.

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  196. Scarlett27 April 2015 at 19:16

    True, but I would have liked Snow and Charming to be involved in the mission, since they were the ones who really needed to right their own wrong. Of course, it they had been involved, Lily might have killed them on the spot, so it might be better they weren't there.

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  197. Arno27 April 2015 at 20:27

    I'm sure there'll be some kind of magic to extract the child while killing her altogether. Though I'd hate it. It definitely gives her a reason to stick around and I just love Zelena too much to let her go that quickly after she only just returned, at least in her own flesh, ha.

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  198. C Spottswood27 April 2015 at 20:28

    So you are saying even a 10 year old could have found it at the time, and he did not even have to be a story book character.

    This was a fairy tale wolf in Massachusetts and a bolt of lightning hitting pumpkin, not even close but they are implying here that as you suspect this world has magic now where ever these two are. n Funny thing is with Ingrid, if this was know then either Emma was not perfect match or Lillith was a possible substitute. astrology aside.

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  199. Arno27 April 2015 at 20:39

    Right?! And I looove every second of it.

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  200. Arno27 April 2015 at 20:39

    Right...glad that you brought it up, I thought Belle gave her heart willingly, oh well...

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