Great episode!!!!!! But further along I have to stay away from the spoilery bts photos, cause after the Roy-Thea talk I already knew how it would end. Loved Mama Smoak she is hilarious and wise! Finally someone spoke out what we all were thinking.Loved her one liners and thanks for mentioning Papa Smoak. Can’t wait to meet him. Meeting May was neat, a bit to convenient but I can tolerate it. FB Oliver was kick as*.
Felicity not being able to say she loves Ray because she loves Oliver makes up for all of the REALLY boring Raylicity I've been subjected to this season.
Malcolm was filming 3x20 in Nanda Parbat. The one who dies has to be Akio and Marc trolled everyone since Colton said the emotional scene wasn't because of a death.
I get Lance, I really do but that doesn't make him any less of a self righteous asshole. Roy surprised me, I thought it would be Nyssa taking out the police convoy for one reason or another. That was a really nice moment when he nodded at Oliver. Mature, resigned. I love Felcity's mom but the hospital scenes did nothing for me. Love that Shado had a twin, when I normally hate those plot twists. Next weeks episode might make me cry.
The episode was great. Quentin got the screentime he deserved and finally showed Oliver and Laurel that they just don't f**k with him. He has all the right to be that way from the point everyone agreed with Laurel on not telling him about Sara. Where's the weak heart, Laurel?
I knew Roy was gonna go to jail, told everyone... all were with the "he dies" theory.
My only problem? What was the point of Ray's story? After a good episode for him in 3x17 he went back again to be a mere love interest. We know Felicity loves Oliver... We could have used that screen time for more Oliver and Team Arrow. It just felt like Felicity didn't want to be there with Ray, tbh... At least it seems Ray is back on action in 3x19, wich is a good thing.
His pain is directed at the wrong person! Laurel is the reason he's angry at Oliver. He's accusing Oliver of turning them into liars and criminals! Did he force you to help him and announce him a hero??!! AND ANYONE WHO SLAPS OLIVER IS ON MY LIST!
Okay I will let him be on Ur list ;-) But again Lance is at the moment blaming himself cause if he caught Oliver right away he think he could've prevented all of this. I like PB acting out a bit he does it really well.
No she didn't say it back and they will definitely break up soon. Not to mention that after her talk with Donna she started looking at Oliver differently. It's the power of a mother's bless.
Thank you lol How's catching Oliver would've prevented this? Nothing would've changed. Actually Laurel would've been dead because Oliver wouldn't have warned everyone about the earthquake machines and Tommy wouldn't have saved her. Actually Quentin would've died too and Sara would've been a league member still. I LOVE Paul. The fact that I'm this angry shows that his acting was spot on.
Like most of the actions of every character this season that have advanced the plot. It's like they don't care to write out a more thought out motivation/rationale for the characters to do what they do.
I had sympathy for Lance because he is a grieving father ... until this episode. Quentin sat there spitting nonsense such as Oliver made him an accomplice to the Arrow's crimes. Oliver hasn't made Lance or anybody else a liar, criminal, or victim. Also, the Arrow hasn't made a fool of Lance for a year. Lance went to the Arrow because he and the SCPD needed help dealing with the criminal element the police department could not control. The Arrow has even saved Lance's own life on a couple of occasions. None of this is even registering with Lance. He is looking for someone to blame for Sara's death and for the lies that followed after her murder. Lance can't lash out at Laurel, so he's going after Oliver. Lance can't deal with the fact that he is a father who didn't know is own daughter. Sara made her own decisions and lived the life she chose. Lance didn't like Sara's choices, but he didn't fight with her about it because he was so happy to have his child back in his life. As much as he blames Oliver, it will never be as much as Quentin blames himself for not trying to stop Sara from living such a dangerous life. Instead of facing that truth, Lance has become his own kind of vigilante.
I'm not surprised that Roy has sacrificed himself to save Oliver. As much as Roy wants to save Oliver, he also wants to be punished for killing the police officer. Now Starling City has lost two of its greatest defenders in the Arrow and Arsenal. Let's see how long it takes the SCPD to remember how much Team Arrow has helped when that team is no longer there to defend the city. Maybe this is the point Thea steps in and becomes an offical masked member of Team Arrow to help fill the temporary void left by Oliver and Roy while assisting Diggle and Felicity.
Speaking of Felicity, for such a smart lady she sure has a way with (or lack there of) words. Ray's declaration of love may have come out of the blue, but she could've found a better way to deal with it than to embarrass Ray and herself. The timing was so bad all the way around.
I can't believe we have to weeks for this story to pick up again. Talk about killing the momentum that was built up with this episode.
That season has been one OOC decision after another from the characters. At least in Quentin's case he started out this way in season one. They didn't write him out of character they just threw away 3 years of character development.
Exactly. Quentin let his anger (which is directed at the wrong person, I can't stress this enough) blind him from doing what's right. He took away people's hope by arresting their hero, which he himself called him that, and gave the criminals an invitation to roam the streets freely.
Now I'm asking myself how will the Arrow comeback? I mean people will know when this whole Ra's story comes to an end that Oliver (or Roy if her survives) are behind the Arrow mask. They really put up a tough task to follow through after this. Maybe Flashpoint isn't such a bad idea atm.
In the Paley Fest trailer we saw Amanda Waller with a shot wound pointing a gun at Oliver(who was also aiming a gun at her). Akio will die in 3x19. Marc just trolled us to think that the death was on present time using the twitts.
The emotional scene? Oliver talking to Roy in prison. It just feels like an emotional episode. Roy will get beat up in prison. Thea will go to see him too.
I agree that's why I hate that theory it's a huge cop out especially if they did it to bring Sara back. But it's not just their identities everything is turning into a disaster!
It's different in Smallville he didn't start out as a killer with so many people out to get him plus during those VRA days his life was miserable. I like superheroes keeping their identities a secret from the public because it makes sense.
I want to know how they will resolve this by season end. I wonder if Oliver will formed "The Outsider" because it may be only way to fight crime in secret......I don't see Starling will ever allowing the city to allow mask hero to operate again
So many things happening. What will be the consequences for Ray with those nanobots inside of him, will he heal himself?. That ending was coming since some of us saw the pictures where Roy was being taken, no surprises there. Felicity's dad as a mad scientist. We need to know more about him ASAP. Quentin man, revealing Arrow's identity to the entire city, that was a reckless and desperate move. I thouht it was gonna be this episode when they will find the lair.
Wow, it's going to be a bumpy packed ride all the way to the end. I feel like I'm on the wrong side of the fans: I loved Paul Blackthorne this episode and the talk with Oliver in the van and how sad he was when Nyssa beat him up and Laurel went with her; and I thought Ray was charming.
Ray, Mama Smoak, and Felicity were adorable. They had the best lines. They need to bring Mama Smoak back like permanently. "Of course I don't watch the news it depresses me."
I'd really like to see Oliver get a plan together. He can't keep running away from Ra's' advances and hope that Ra's will eventually get the point. Now, I know why we had to have the Cupid story, so it could foreshadow Oliver's next crazy stalker: Ra's Al Ghul.
DAMN IT ROY HARPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DAMN IT DAMN IT DAMN IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! QUENTIN LANCE YOU CAN GO STRAIGHT TO HELL AND BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The whole me or a cage thing was eerily close to "if I can't have you no one can". But maybe that's coming next week when he has Oliver strung up half-naked.
That's why Ra's fights his duels shirtless "by tradition," you know. It's like the swim suit portion of the worthy successor hunt.
Lol. Then I guess that fight was the talent part. Next up the question part. Lol I can just imagine one day Ra's will Fatal Attraction Oliver and cook his rabbit.
Not sure how to react to this episode just yet... It was not bad, but it was not fulfilling to me. It left me frustrated more than anything. Maybe my opinion will change when the season plays out its endgame....
- Great fight and action scenes tonight!
- I hope after they lose AHQ later in the season that the new HQ has a better security system! Even Nyssa can just walk in... And the early warning aspect is fail as well seeing as the police surprised Ollie in Verdant! - I still do not comprehend the Quentin's crusade... It seems to me he is culpable in the Arrow's rise and should turn himself in as well being that he worked with Arrow on many occasions. Also similar to Ray, the blind spot to all logic with regards to being set up etc...
Heroic that Roy would turn himself in as The Arrow, but seriously... Can't the police tell that the arrow costume if 5 sizes too big on him? That he cannot grow five o'clock shadow in a week? Well at least it throws a wrench into the police proceedings giving Ollie some time to figure out his play. LOA may be his only way out at this point.
Overall this was a good episode, but it left a hollow feeling in me. Every arc went places I did not enjoy on some level to set up the endgame for the season. The movement was good, but the direction does not excite me I guess.
Well I'm angry at him, but sympathetic. The man he trusted to save and protect the city lied to him about his daughter, and he can't take it so he blames Oliver for all the problems and death the city has faced. I may be mad, but to me all Quentin has to do is forgive Oliver. And say he's sorry for insulting Barry.
But when saw that green hood. The envy it got to him. Jk, I think that's why he's so angry that his partner not lied to, but was responsible not only for his daughter's "death" the first time, but also in his eyes right now again. To Quentin a guy who clearly values honesty and trust that clouds his mind.
Really just to do a spin-off, be a foil for Oliver and (according to episode 20 or some episode) help save the city. He'll probably help save Starling in the finale then give Oliver or Thea QC and leave.
it was a great ep untill roy came and screwed up the whole thing.also i think they r morphing the civil war storyline.if they r going for it they could have done with whole ray/felicity/smoak not in this ep.doesnt give whole much time for other things.
Oh....well, I saw the BTS pics and I still enjoyed the episode greatly. Even more so because as it went closer to the episode's ending, I was left wondering if Roy would even show up as The Arrow, but it still made that final twist pretty awesome. Roy actually felt like The Arrow when he jumped off the police van.
Well, Brandonhas been filming a movie in China for a couple of weeks. I'm not sure if he's in episode 3x21 going forward. He most def isn't in 3x22 and 3x23.
I assume that was a stuntbdouble on top of the van. Changed into Roy when he was down. As said in my other comment for me it felt pretty predictable from the moment Roy mentioned he wants to be arrested. Either way a great instalment.
Oh, i do too! I want the spin-off so they can center on his character! I liked 3x17 because it gave him depth and we saw his flawed sense of justice. He was a flawed person for the first time.
Buuuut, in 3x18 he became a reaction to the Oliver/Felicity/Arrow love triangle again.
Ivan said he might get his shrinking powers because of the nanites Felicity injected him with! Didn't tought about that... smart kid! :D
Quentin is so short sighted... Good job Roy, saving your friend.
Now Arrow just needs to break him out and if he can't, ducking call your friends for help, " Hey Barry I need a hand"...
I liked the flashback, like I always do, It was good to she Shado again, but as May. And I kinda get whats happening in the flashback and what may happen to Maseo and family, but really looking forward to the outcome in the upcoming weeks.
I did like the depth. I think the spin-off will be more of an ensemble piece. With Rip leading the team. Yeah that does suck, but at least in the next episode he'll work with Oliver to fight a meta human.
Right but all the people that the Arrow and co put away were released by Brick so in Lance's mind the Arrow didn't achieve anything. He's emotional because he now knows for definite who the Arrow is and all the secrets he has kept from him. I think he's assuming that Ra's went out of his way to tell him who the Arrow is, that take the Arrow out of the picture then any threat from Ra's will also be gone from the city too. All others in masks were just following the Arrow - if he goes they lose their leader and the city is back in the cops control as far as law and order is concerned.
That's the one thing that's really bugged me about this season is everyone's OOC paths that they are all on. The one reason why I think the confrontation worked so well between Lance and Oliver was because like he said he knew on some level that Oliver and the Arrow are the same person but he just ignored it because everything was going well in the city with crime because of the work that Team Arrow was doing. By Lance finding out what the reality was with Sara and who the Arrow is he got his head out of the clouds and just reverted to his original view point and that of his gut instinct as a cop.
We all know that Oliver adopts the League suit soon so the Arrow suit is going to have to take a back seat but I wonder how they are going to address the fact that Lance outed Oliver to the entire city going forward. The suit is kind of redundant now. Either way I found myself enjoying this episode more that a lot of the previous episodes this season - better story telling. Hopefully this is a sign of good things to come for the rest of the season and the set up for next!! One thing I wish they would address is Laurel being in the ADA's office - was she going to have to prosecute herself?? It would be better if she was removed from that position and was a lawyer in something similar to the S1 role.
This was a well acted and well paced episode but it feels less satisfying because the whole events are happening because one man is completely irrational and hypocritical.
Paul Blackthorne is excellent as Quentin but Quentin's motivations are as cuckoo as Slade Wilson's last year. I really thought it would take Oliver helping Malcolm to make Quentin start the man hunt. This is just beyond reapir. Also the way he treats Laurel after the choices he has made and the support he gave Sara for the last two years is disgusting. I don't see this character recovering from this nonsense. Also he slapped Oliver. That made you land permanently on my shit list.
Poor Oliver his struggle this whole episode was hard to see.
Roy giving himself up for Oliver was a really brave thing to do. I was really proud of all of team Arrow this episode. They worked as a team. Laurel did everything she could to help Oliver. Everyone in Diggle's apartment was great. Diggle is like the older brother to everyone. When in trouble go to the Diggles'.
The Ray storyline which could have been really boring and annoying was made good by Donna Smoak. The lady is like a whirlwind. Her talk with Felicity at the end was so good. Both ladies has so much chemistry with each other. That nanotechnology is a nod to Ray's shrinking abilities right? Also I laughed so hard seeing Ray;s face when Felicity ran after he said I love you. Your duty is almost finished here Ray baby. Your time to fly away is approaching fast.
The falshbacks were really interesting and had an emotional impact which was missing from them this season. Shows how much beloved Shado is to this story. I am glad Yamashiro's are back together and Akio is not dead in Oliver's watch.
All in all a great episode. Quentin's motivations and actions suck. But so did Slade's, Malcolm's when he used Thea to kill Sara. A great episode for Team Arrow on the whole. Can't wait to see Thea and Malcolm back in action next week.
I don't think team Arrow's ( Oliver and Roy at least ) 'troubles' with the law will be over anytime soon ..... I'm betting they ( maybe even the whole team ) will become fugitives from the law for the first half of season four .... possibly both Oliver and Roy ending up in prison for half / the entire season.
If mama Smoak was not around I would have hated the Ray scenes. Its time for him to go. At least he gets to fight in his suit next episode. On the positive note looks like the disaster of romance is going to end soon.
I agree death will be of Akio. I have a feeling Oliver will break Roy out and send him packing. Roy will be on the run and that is why he is absent in coming episodes.
It will be Akio who dies in the flashback. Emotional good bye will be between Oliver, Roy and team Arrow after they break him put and send him on the run. Or I hope so.
I have no idea about that. It would be neat if he runs from here and goes to TNT to do the titans show. I know its not a Berlanti production but it is still DC.
Roy will end up taking the fall for Arrow ( going to prison ... he believes he deserves to for killing the police officer ) well Oliver goes free to fight another day with a new 'secret' identity
I hope Ray do something and get Oliver and Roy out of this mess.......come on he has the money to pay for a good lawyer and forensic at PT to prov the arrow innocence.......It won't be fun seeing Oliver being a criminal for the rest of the season
Roy will probably be in prison for two episodes......that is probably why he is not around for filming but the evidence against him is not really strong because it just a bunch of damn arrows unless there is DNA evidence no court should convict him
My guess Felicity will use Ray's help and money to help Roy run. I have a feeling Oliver and co will disband Team Arrow and go different ways at the end of this season. There is also a spoiler that Ra's actions has a huge effect on Diggle and Lyla. I hope baby Sara is okay. Or the whole team will go underground at the end of this season except Laurel who will be their liason to the outer world.
I'm going with all of season four with just a few guest appearances through out the season. Roy can admit to killing one of his victims ( the police officer ) and take a lie detector to prove it. If Quentin comes around in the end he may end up planning evidence to make Roy look even more guilty so Oliver will go free.
I don't they drag this possible storyline of being wanted fugitive for season 4 as well. They will wrapped up the LOA storyline and have Oliver/Roy name clear but they probably no longer be allow to mask hero in starling ever again perhaps exile/ban
Yeah except Sara was the proto- Canary. Laurel is Black Canary. And Malcolm was the only actual Dark Archer. And Wintergreen was a red herring like Tommy at first.
Hey people I take it I've missed something I haven't seen anything about someone dying in Ep 19 seen something about it being an emotional episode and just figured it was Oliver leaving team arrow to join the league.. Can someone point me in the right direction cheers
I can't believe they managed to make me hate him in one single episode! LOVED him which makes this hurt even more. BUT IF YOU SLAP OLIVER, INSULT BARRY AND ARREST BABY BOY ROY THEN YOU ARE DEAD TO ME!
It was personal even before that. He didn't give Oliver the benefit of the doubt. Four episodes ago he believed the Arrow was a hero and now it's like he wants him to be a murderer so he could get his revenge.
Wow that article is long and I can't read all that so a quick question, even if he formed the Outsiders how will that help him fight in the city without being targeted?
The episode was good, but in order to enjoy what was happening we had pretend like a bunch a things never occurred. I'm pretty sure Lance remembers Felicity was his major way to contact the Arrow so why the hell he didn't go after her? This bugs me so much. She was standing in a hospital and neither her or the team seemed worried about the fact that she was the only confirmed identity Lance had. People on the show keep forgetting that it was Sara's choice to reunite with the League and that her death is a consequence of her highly dangerous job and Malcolm's fault. Laurel is in a tough position but she should clarify things to Lance by telling him the whole story, I'm not even sure what he knows besides the fact that Sara is dead, does he know who killed her? Does he know about Malcolm's involvement? I cringe so much every time someone say to Oliver that it was his fault Sara was in the Queen's Gambit, I must have missed the episode when he kidnapped her because as far as I'm concerned she went on her on free will. This crap was acceptable on season 1, but right now it only justifies the producer's need for crazy twists. I'm tired of they exonerating bad characters decisions based on grief, this trope got old back in season 2. Malcolm is a villain because his wife died, Slade is a villain because of Shado's death, they did that to Laurel over and over again and it was a shitfest, now they are doing it to Quentin. Yeah, the show will never be the same, but is that a good thing, really?
I don't know, what proof do they really have against Oliver or Roy? And now that both admited to being Arrow, that's worth nothing. Ra's will hardly make a statement at court, neither will Palmer, Felicity, Laurel, Diggle (or anyone else knowing Oliver's secret). And fact is, no one of Team Arrow killed the mayor or any of the others. Sure, there are still the killings from season 1, but they never could really connect Oliver to it.
I know I'm awful for saying this but both events made me very happy :D And seriously who says I love you this fast? Even I (who is a hopeless romantic and believes in love at first sight and all that nonsense lol) thinks it was way too soon. His fiance died less than a year ago and "yesterday" he was about to break up with Felicity and said she was untrustworthy, a liar, helps a murderer and she lets her emotions cloud her judgement; not to mention that he deliberately hurt one of her friends and was about to hurt the other one knowing full well that she is in love with him, and now suddenly he's dropping the L bomb! Are you kidding me?
Oh c'mon! You can't tell me that Barry Allen isn't going to go back in time in the upcoming crossover episode and give the Arrow back his anonymity. The whole show would just become silly, if too many people knew who's behind Arrow, Arsenal and Black Canary. Roy's Little stunt at the end could never (in any semi-real world) really succeed in drawing the attention away again from the others.
No I did not. My first comment on the show is always before I read anyone else's pov. Otherwise I will start thinking about the scenes in different way. See we are connected we could drive a jaeger if we put our mind to it.
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Great episode!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteBut further along I have to stay away from the spoilery bts
photos, cause after the Roy-Thea talk I already knew how it would end.
Loved Mama Smoak she is hilarious and wise! Finally someone spoke
out what we all were thinking.Loved her one liners and thanks for mentioning
Papa Smoak. Can’t wait to meet him.
Meeting May was neat, a bit to convenient but I
can tolerate it. FB Oliver was kick as*.
Awesome !!!!
ReplyDeleteMonumental? Yeah Marc,oversold a bit
ReplyDeleteGood episode but only set up a plot instead of resolving one. Roy will be out sooner than later
I guess Malcolm is the one to die next episode
Amazing episode loving Felicity mother love Lance but I really want Laurel to unleash all her anger on him because to me he an ass that's my opinion
ReplyDeleteQuentin, you are dead to me!!!!!
ReplyDeleteROY IS MY BOY!!!! THAT'S PARNTERSHIP RIGHT THERE!!! WHAT!!! STEP UP!!!! ROY STEPPED UP!!!! HELL YEAH!!!! ARSENAL FTW!!!!!! HOLY SHIT!!
ReplyDeleteI need to get myself together I'll be back With a comment later.
Felicity not being able to say she loves Ray because she loves Oliver makes up for all of the REALLY boring Raylicity I've been subjected to this season.
ReplyDeleteM is not going to die. BTS confirmed he is alive and standing in 3x20.
ReplyDeleteMalcolm was filming 3x20 in Nanda Parbat. The one who dies has to be Akio and Marc trolled everyone since Colton said the emotional scene wasn't because of a death.
ReplyDeleteI actually have to agree, I know that he's emotional but absolutely irrational at this point
ReplyDeletenot even emotional...
ReplyDeleteDon't U feel his pain. I hate his actions, but his weak and sick heart is beating like a Vulcano. Filled with pain erupting all over.
ReplyDeleteIs he? If he stops The Arrow all the copycats must stop... don't they?
ReplyDeleteI get Lance, I really do but that doesn't make him any less of a self righteous asshole.
ReplyDeleteRoy surprised me, I thought it would be Nyssa taking out the police convoy for one reason or another. That was a really nice moment when he nodded at Oliver. Mature, resigned.
I love Felcity's mom but the hospital scenes did nothing for me.
Love that Shado had a twin, when I normally hate those plot twists.
Next weeks episode might make me cry.
I haven't watched it yet. Will I want to fast forward a lot?
ReplyDeleteThis episode was borderline insane that's how great it was yay for arrow
ReplyDeleteThe episode was great. Quentin got the screentime he deserved and finally showed Oliver and Laurel that they just don't f**k with him. He has all the right to be that way from the point everyone agreed with Laurel on not telling him about Sara. Where's the weak heart, Laurel?
ReplyDeleteI knew Roy was gonna go to jail, told everyone... all were with the "he dies" theory.
My only problem? What was the point of Ray's story? After a good episode for him in 3x17 he went back again to be a mere love interest. We know Felicity loves Oliver... We could have used that screen time for more Oliver and Team Arrow. It just felt like Felicity didn't want to be there with Ray, tbh... At least it seems Ray is back on action in 3x19, wich is a good thing.
No. There are couple of eyerolling worthy scenes but it's worth it in the end.
ReplyDeleteThere's a the usual pointless Ray story that leads nowhere...
ReplyDeletethat's wishful thinking, once the force on the street everyone fears is gone crime will return
ReplyDeleteHis pain is directed at the wrong person! Laurel is the reason he's angry at Oliver. He's accusing Oliver of turning them into liars and criminals! Did he force you to help him and announce him a hero??!! AND ANYONE WHO SLAPS OLIVER IS ON MY LIST!
ReplyDeleteLOL thanks. :) So no breakup?
ReplyDeleteWell it lead somewhere in my book.
ReplyDeleteBetter or at least something as good ;)
ReplyDeleteThat's not the reason he's doing this. Let's not justify his actions as if they are for the greater good.
ReplyDeleteOkay thanks. :)
ReplyDeleteWell, if they don't break up after what happened... Wel... My guess is next episode xD
ReplyDeleteHis actions are ridiculous and highly hypocritical.
ReplyDeleteReally? Where? We all know Felicity loves Oliver and doesn't love Ray. He could have helped the Team to get in their good graces...
ReplyDeleteWelcome :)
ReplyDeleteSooo, the emotional scene that SA and CH twitt about it is maybe the one with Roy in custody...maybe
ReplyDeleteThere is still a problem with a time line?
ReplyDeleteOkay I will let him be on Ur list ;-)
ReplyDeleteBut again Lance is at the moment blaming himself cause if he caught Oliver right away he think he could've prevented all of this. I like PB acting out a bit he does it really well.
No she didn't say it back and they will definitely break up soon. Not to mention that after her talk with Donna she started looking at Oliver differently. It's the power of a mother's bless.
ReplyDeletevery...."emotional" :P
ReplyDeleteThank you lol
ReplyDeleteHow's catching Oliver would've prevented this? Nothing would've changed. Actually Laurel would've been dead because Oliver wouldn't have warned everyone about the earthquake machines and Tommy wouldn't have saved her. Actually Quentin would've died too and Sara would've been a league member still.
I LOVE Paul. The fact that I'm this angry shows that his acting was spot on.
I agree
ReplyDeleteyou really have been nailing a lot of the plot/whats to come. are you going to speculate on 3x19 and the death?
ReplyDeleteYep, the "emotional" one, you know that you know... :)
ReplyDeleteLike most of the actions of every character this season that have advanced the plot. It's like they don't care to write out a more thought out motivation/rationale for the characters to do what they do.
ReplyDeleteI had sympathy for Lance because he is a grieving father ... until this episode. Quentin sat there spitting nonsense such as Oliver made him an accomplice to the Arrow's crimes. Oliver hasn't made Lance or anybody else a liar, criminal, or victim. Also, the Arrow hasn't made a fool of Lance for a year. Lance went to the Arrow because he and the SCPD needed help dealing with the criminal element the police department could not control. The Arrow has even saved Lance's own life on a couple of occasions. None of this is even registering with Lance. He is looking for someone to blame for Sara's death and for the lies that followed after her murder. Lance can't lash out at Laurel, so he's going after Oliver. Lance can't deal with the fact that he is a father who didn't know is own daughter. Sara made her own decisions and lived the life she chose. Lance didn't like Sara's choices, but he didn't fight with her about it because he was so happy to have his child back in his life. As much as he blames Oliver, it will never be as much as Quentin blames himself for not trying to stop Sara from living such a dangerous life. Instead of facing that truth, Lance has become his own kind of vigilante.
ReplyDeleteI'm not surprised that Roy has sacrificed himself to save Oliver. As much as Roy wants to save Oliver, he also wants to be punished for killing the police officer. Now Starling City has lost two of its greatest defenders in the Arrow and Arsenal. Let's see how long it takes the SCPD to remember how much Team Arrow has helped when that team is no longer there to defend the city. Maybe this is the point Thea steps in and becomes an offical masked member of Team Arrow to help fill the temporary void left by Oliver and Roy while assisting Diggle and Felicity.
Speaking of Felicity, for such a smart lady she sure has a way with (or lack there of) words. Ray's declaration of love may have come out of the blue, but she could've found a better way to deal with it than to embarrass Ray and herself. The timing was so bad all the way around.
I can't believe we have to weeks for this story to pick up again. Talk about killing the momentum that was built up with this episode.
oh there is no doubt the crime rate will go up again........no protector the gangs and crime boss will control the city again
ReplyDeleteits back on the 15th so only one week off and then straight ep still the end so not that long a wait.
ReplyDeleteThat season has been one OOC decision after another from the characters. At least in Quentin's case he started out this way in season one. They didn't write him out of character they just threw away 3 years of character development.
ReplyDeleteExactly. Quentin let his anger (which is directed at the wrong person, I can't stress this enough) blind him from doing what's right. He took away people's hope by arresting their hero, which he himself called him that, and gave the criminals an invitation to roam the streets freely.
ReplyDeleteNow I'm asking myself how will the Arrow comeback? I mean people will know when this whole Ra's story comes to an end that Oliver (or Roy if her survives) are behind the Arrow mask.
ReplyDeleteThey really put up a tough task to follow through after this. Maybe Flashpoint isn't such a bad idea atm.
Was this the emotional goodbye people were talking about? Or is someone still possibly dying next episode?????
ReplyDeleteNot only criminal but HIVE will come into play now on the plans for the city whether it is.
ReplyDeletewell, Oliver seems to be sporting a LoA robe in the future, so I guess his current look is off the table for a while
ReplyDeleteI can't say how they can fight crime in the city when Roy is unmasked and even if he is free from jail. every criminal will know who he is
ReplyDeleteEverything is going downhill form this point forward.
ReplyDeleteI have no earthly idea, smh.
ReplyDeleteAs much as I hated the alternate timeline theory it does sound appealing now.
And by Fall 2015 no one will connect the dots when a new Archer comes into town. -.-
ReplyDeleteHe's coming back eventually. Plus Roy (if he's not dead) is still the Arrow to the public.
ReplyDeleteI'm surprised they are keeping up with what's happening now lol
ReplyDeleteThis makes me even more certain that Roy will either die or leave TA by season end.
ReplyDeleteAnd everyone will go after his loved ones, which are Oliver's loved ones.
ReplyDeleteI know what U mean.
ReplyDeleteI think the timeline change is a cheap way to save Roy and Oliver from their identity from being revealed.......
ReplyDeleteIt's still too long. (She says stomping her feet and pouting.)
ReplyDeleteYep. It's Akio.
ReplyDeleteIn the Paley Fest trailer we saw Amanda Waller with a shot wound pointing a gun at Oliver(who was also aiming a gun at her). Akio will die in 3x19. Marc just trolled us to think that the death was on present time using the twitts.
The emotional scene? Oliver talking to Roy in prison. It just feels like an emotional episode. Roy will get beat up in prison. Thea will go to see him too.
I agree that's why I hate that theory it's a huge cop out especially if they did it to bring Sara back. But it's not just their identities everything is turning into a disaster!
ReplyDeletei had a suspicion with the way they kept talking about Akio and how his parents were no longer together that he passed.
ReplyDeleteI wonder how long the Roy in the clink storyline will last. I mean how can it hold up, they (Oliver and Roy) are not the same height/build.
I'm tired of saying goodbye to characters I love, all of whom died in a heartbreaking way :(
ReplyDeletedon't worry it'll likely be someone older. Either Lance, Merlyn or Ra's...if ANYONE
ReplyDeleteWouldn't really mind merlyn dying but it'll suck if lance dies.
ReplyDeleteThat's supposed to comfort me? I'm mad at Quentin but deep down I still love him. I actually think no one is dying.
ReplyDeleteNo Moira's death destroyed me by far :(
ReplyDeleteYeah that one hurt too. Hopefully no one dies next episode though. Well the good guys that is lol.
ReplyDeleteIt's different in Smallville he didn't start out as a killer with so many people out to get him plus during those VRA days his life was miserable. I like superheroes keeping their identities a secret from the public because it makes sense.
ReplyDeleteI'm so OK with Malcolm or any other criminal dying lol
ReplyDeleteI want to know how they will resolve this by season end. I wonder if Oliver will formed "The Outsider" because it may be only way to fight crime in secret......I don't see Starling will ever allowing the city to allow mask hero to operate again
ReplyDeleteWhat's "The Outsider"?
ReplyDeletethis episode made me like Roy a whole lot more.
ReplyDeleteI just want them to reintroduce Oliver's son.
ReplyDeletethey are heroes who would not fit being part of the Justice League.....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outsiders_%28comics%29
ReplyDeleteSo many things happening.
ReplyDeleteWhat will be the consequences for Ray with those nanobots inside of him, will he heal himself?.
That ending was coming since some of us saw the pictures where Roy was being taken, no surprises there.
Felicity's dad as a mad scientist. We need to know more about him ASAP.
Quentin man, revealing Arrow's identity to the entire city, that was a reckless and desperate move.
I thouht it was gonna be this episode when they will find the lair.
Wow, it's going to be a bumpy packed ride all the way to the end. I feel like I'm on the wrong side of the fans: I loved Paul Blackthorne this episode and the talk with Oliver in the van and how sad he was when Nyssa beat him up and Laurel went with her; and I thought Ray was charming.
ReplyDeleteRay, Mama Smoak, and Felicity were adorable. They had the best lines. They need to bring Mama Smoak back like permanently. "Of course I don't watch the news it depresses me."
I'd really like to see Oliver get a plan together. He can't keep running away from Ra's' advances and hope that Ra's will eventually get the point. Now, I know why we had to have the Cupid story, so it could foreshadow Oliver's next crazy stalker: Ra's Al Ghul.
Plus dick insulted Barry. Who insults The Flash?
ReplyDeleteTechnically Quentin can't be a vigilante since he's actually doing what the law says regatrding vigilantism.
ReplyDeleteSo that was sick.
ReplyDeleteWho insulted who now? Quentin insulted Barry? I missed that.
ReplyDeleteSomewhere Ra's is building a shrine to Oliver.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure he's already decorated a room for him in Nanda Parbat.
ReplyDeleteWith his own lazarus pit and beard growing kit.
ReplyDeleteDAMN IT ROY HARPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DAMN IT DAMN IT DAMN IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! QUENTIN LANCE YOU CAN GO STRAIGHT TO HELL AND BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteHe said freak in Central City. I may love Quentin and sympathize/ empathize with him, but no one insults Barry Allen.
ReplyDeleteMaybe he meant one of the other metahuman freaks?
ReplyDeleteno he stops Team Arrow he essentially kills the city
ReplyDeleteno never wish for Flashpoint, as horrible as things are right now Flashpoint is ten times worse
ReplyDeleteyep definitely, because otherwise what's the point?
ReplyDeleteThe whole me or a cage thing was eerily close to "if I can't have you no one can". But maybe that's coming next week when he has Oliver strung up half-naked.
ReplyDeleteThat's why Ra's fights his duels shirtless "by tradition," you know. It's like the swim suit portion of the worthy successor hunt.
not if that's how he gets his powers
ReplyDeleteI didn't even hear that. I'll rewatch it later. Watching SPN right now. And damn right no one insults Barry.
ReplyDeleteNah it's Barry. I've never got the freak designation. They have powers that shouldn't be shamed.
ReplyDeleteLol. Then I guess that fight was the talent part. Next up the question part. Lol I can just imagine one day Ra's will Fatal Attraction Oliver and cook his rabbit.
ReplyDeleteit made sick that i ever liked him, a "freak"? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH HIM?!!!!!
ReplyDeleteNot sure how to react to this episode just yet...
ReplyDeleteIt was not bad, but it was not fulfilling to me. It left me frustrated more than anything.
Maybe my opinion will change when the season plays out its endgame....
- Great fight and action scenes tonight!
- I hope after they lose AHQ later in the season that the new HQ has a better security system!
Even Nyssa can just walk in... And the early warning aspect is fail as well seeing as the police surprised Ollie in Verdant!
- I still do not comprehend the Quentin's crusade...
It seems to me he is culpable in the Arrow's rise and should turn himself in as well being that he worked with Arrow on many occasions. Also similar to Ray, the blind spot to all logic with regards to being set up etc...
Heroic that Roy would turn himself in as The Arrow, but seriously...
Can't the police tell that the arrow costume if 5 sizes too big on him? That he cannot grow five o'clock shadow in a week? Well at least it throws a wrench into the police proceedings giving Ollie some time to figure out his play. LOA may be his only way out at this point.
Overall this was a good episode, but it left a hollow feeling in me. Every arc went places I did not enjoy on some level to set up the endgame for the season. The movement was good, but the direction does not excite me I guess.
yep, is there even any chance for Lance to be redeemed in our eyes? he essentially killed Starling City
ReplyDeleteHe's dealing with some heavy stuff right now. He's jelly that Oliver gets to run around in green leather.
ReplyDeleteme too on the Foundry, i'm hoping it's how Ray gains his powers, Felicity's dad: who is he?! he could be arrested?!!!
ReplyDeleteNo, not a rabbit. It'll be a salad made out of the love fern.
ReplyDeletefunny but too pissed at Lance, insults Barry, reveals Oliver's identity. COME ON!!!
ReplyDeleteWell I'm angry at him, but sympathetic. The man he trusted to save and protect the city lied to him about his daughter, and he can't take it so he blames Oliver for all the problems and death the city has faced. I may be mad, but to me all Quentin has to do is forgive Oliver. And say he's sorry for insulting Barry.
ReplyDeleteSensual. Ra's sounds like a romantic guy. Him and Oliver would be very happy together if Oliver would just let him in.
ReplyDeletei screamed at Diggle when said the Foundry isn't secure, it hasn't been secure for 3 YEARS!!!
ReplyDeletetoo far for me, if he trusted him he would've understood
ReplyDeleteBut when saw that green hood. The envy it got to him. Jk, I think that's why he's so angry that his partner not lied to, but was responsible not only for his daughter's "death" the first time, but also in his eyes right now again. To Quentin a guy who clearly values honesty and trust that clouds his mind.
ReplyDeletei still don't get how it can get into alignment with The Flash timeline
ReplyDeletewell he should more sun to see what's coming to Starling, to the WORLD
ReplyDeleteGreen Arrow. Oh and a league of justice.
ReplyDeleteReally just to do a spin-off, be a foil for Oliver and (according to episode 20 or some episode) help save the city. He'll probably help save Starling in the finale then give Oliver or Thea QC and leave.
ReplyDeleteHe needs to go. Like ALOT.
ReplyDeleteYou first said it was a great episode than said "normal" people thought it was good?
ReplyDeleteBut Quentin isn't thinking about that. He's thinking about stopping the killings happening now.
ReplyDeleteit was a great ep untill roy came and screwed up the whole thing.also i think they r morphing the civil war storyline.if they r going for it they could have done with whole ray/felicity/smoak not in this ep.doesnt give whole much time for other things.
ReplyDeleteI meant people who didn't look at the BTS have probably enjoyed it more. Cause I was too spoiled from those pics.
ReplyDeleteOh....well, I saw the BTS pics and I still enjoyed the episode greatly. Even more so because as it went closer to the episode's ending, I was left wondering if Roy would even show up as The Arrow, but it still made that final twist pretty awesome. Roy actually felt like The Arrow when he jumped off the police van.
ReplyDeleteWe live in a world in wich Quentin didn't realize Laurel wasn't Sara, even if Katie and Caity have very different bodies Jajaja
ReplyDeleteWell, Brandonhas been filming a movie in China for a couple of weeks. I'm not sure if he's in episode 3x21 going forward. He most def isn't in 3x22 and 3x23.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if here is any chance H.I.V.E will end up recruiting Arrow, Arsenal, and the Canary come seasons end ?
ReplyDeleteOkay, i didn't taught about that! God bless you! :D
ReplyDeleteDespite his unforunate lack of story involvement. I actually like Ray and in large part because of Routh.
ReplyDeleteTrue. Unless a certain son could arise to his farher's mantle. Ubfortunately he's drinking hot chocolate in Central City.
ReplyDeleteI assume that was a stuntbdouble on top of the van. Changed into Roy when he was down.
ReplyDeleteAs said in my other comment for me it felt pretty predictable from the moment Roy mentioned he wants to be arrested.
Either way a great instalment.
Honestly this blame Laurel stuff is pointless by now. His anger is far more deep rooted than just Sara's death. The death was just the spark to me.
ReplyDeleteKnew you'd join our side on Flashpoint eventually.
ReplyDeleteHe's the Magician. If he does die, it will probably just be his illusion.
ReplyDeleteWell he will also know everyone is with his scan program.
ReplyDeleteOh, i do too! I want the spin-off so they can center on his character! I liked 3x17 because it gave him depth and we saw his flawed sense of justice. He was a flawed person for the first time.
ReplyDeleteBuuuut, in 3x18 he became a reaction to the Oliver/Felicity/Arrow love triangle again.
Ivan said he might get his shrinking powers because of the nanites Felicity injected him with! Didn't tought about that... smart kid! :D
He did told him he just wants to stop this killing spree. He can't think about the future, he needs to stop The Arrow first.
ReplyDeleteThen it does become something else. Once he finds out OLiver is The Arrow it does become personal.
Quentin is so short sighted...
ReplyDeleteGood job Roy, saving your friend.
Now Arrow just needs to break him out and if he can't, ducking call your friends for help, " Hey Barry I need a hand"...
I liked the flashback, like I always do, It was good to she Shado again, but as May.
And I kinda get whats happening in the flashback and what may happen to Maseo and family, but really looking forward to the outcome in the upcoming weeks.
I did like the depth. I think the spin-off will be more of an ensemble piece. With Rip leading the team. Yeah that does suck, but at least in the next episode he'll work with Oliver to fight a meta human.
ReplyDeleteDamn Ivan's prediction is probably correct. Good for him.
ReplyDeletewhat if Akio is Damian
ReplyDeleteH.I.V.E. are the bad guys, why would they recruit the good guys?
ReplyDeleteRight but all the people that the Arrow and co put away were released by Brick so in Lance's mind the Arrow didn't achieve anything. He's emotional because he now knows for definite who the Arrow is and all the secrets he has kept from him. I think he's assuming that Ra's went out of his way to tell him who the Arrow is, that take the Arrow out of the picture then any threat from Ra's will also be gone from the city too. All others in masks were just following the Arrow - if he goes they lose their leader and the city is back in the cops control as far as law and order is concerned.
ReplyDeleteWould make a lot of sense...packs the emotional punch that Stephen and Colton alluded to in their tweets!!!
ReplyDeleteDamian's white and the son of Bruce Wayne.
ReplyDeleteOkkk, so I rewatched the scene in the truck and Quentin definitely didn't bring up Barry in the least bit. So I'm not sure what you meant?
ReplyDeleteThat's the one thing that's really bugged me about this season is everyone's OOC paths that they are all on. The one reason why I think the confrontation worked so well between Lance and Oliver was because like he said he knew on some level that Oliver and the Arrow are the same person but he just ignored it because everything was going well in the city with crime because of the work that Team Arrow was doing. By Lance finding out what the reality was with Sara and who the Arrow is he got his head out of the clouds and just reverted to his original view point and that of his gut instinct as a cop.
ReplyDeleteWe all know that Oliver adopts the League suit soon so the Arrow suit is going to have to take a back seat but I wonder how they are going to address the fact that Lance outed Oliver to the entire city going forward. The suit is kind of redundant now. Either way I found myself enjoying this episode more that a lot of the previous episodes this season - better story telling. Hopefully this is a sign of good things to come for the rest of the season and the set up for next!! One thing I wish they would address is Laurel being in the ADA's office - was she going to have to prosecute herself?? It would be better if she was removed from that position and was a lawyer in something similar to the S1 role.
That freak in Central City. It's a line. That freak is Barry. He was talking to Laurel I believe.
ReplyDeleteThis was a well acted and well paced episode but it feels less satisfying because the whole events are happening because one man is completely irrational and hypocritical.
ReplyDeletePaul Blackthorne is excellent as Quentin but Quentin's motivations are as cuckoo as Slade Wilson's last year. I really thought it would take Oliver helping Malcolm to make Quentin start the man hunt. This is just beyond reapir. Also the way he treats Laurel after the choices he has made and the support he gave Sara for the last two years is disgusting. I don't see this character recovering from this nonsense. Also he slapped Oliver. That made you land permanently on my shit list.
Poor Oliver his struggle this whole episode was hard to see.
Roy giving himself up for Oliver was a really brave thing to do. I was really proud of all of team Arrow this episode. They worked as a team. Laurel did everything she could to help Oliver. Everyone in Diggle's apartment was great. Diggle is like the older brother to everyone. When in trouble go to the Diggles'.
The Ray storyline which could have been really boring and annoying was made good by Donna Smoak. The lady is like a whirlwind. Her talk with Felicity at the end was so good. Both ladies has so much chemistry with each other. That nanotechnology is a nod to Ray's shrinking abilities right? Also I laughed so hard seeing Ray;s face when Felicity ran after he said I love you. Your duty is almost finished here Ray baby. Your time to fly away is approaching fast.
The falshbacks were really interesting and had an emotional impact which was missing from them this season. Shows how much beloved Shado is to this story. I am glad Yamashiro's are back together and Akio is not dead in Oliver's watch.
All in all a great episode. Quentin's motivations and actions suck. But so did Slade's, Malcolm's when he used Thea to kill Sara. A great episode for Team Arrow on the whole. Can't wait to see Thea and Malcolm back in action next week.
Quentin is so fore gone I can't see how this character can recover from his actions now.
ReplyDeleteI don't think team Arrow's ( Oliver and Roy at least ) 'troubles' with the law will be over anytime soon ..... I'm betting they ( maybe even the whole team ) will become fugitives from the law for the first half of season four .... possibly both Oliver and Roy ending up in prison for half / the entire season.
ReplyDeletethat's my thought
ReplyDeletehey two Canaries, two Merlyns, two Deathstrokes, you never now
ReplyDeletewhy Hunter and not Palmer?
ReplyDeletenot to Oliver and in the truck, it was to Laurel in the precinct
ReplyDeleteNikita season 4-style
ReplyDeleteIf mama Smoak was not around I would have hated the Ray scenes. Its time for him to go. At least he gets to fight in his suit next episode. On the positive note looks like the disaster of romance is going to end soon.
ReplyDeleteYep !!! Just Arrow style.
ReplyDeleteI know right. I was so enraged by that. No body insults my baby boy Barry Allen. He called Barry a freak. ugh.
ReplyDeleteI thought he was talking about the truck scene. Well that explains why I don't remember it.
ReplyDeleteThat's why I don't remember it. He was talking to her.
ReplyDeleteWe should give honorary membership to Tommy there too.
ReplyDeleteOr Prison Break....
ReplyDeleteI agree death will be of Akio. I have a feeling Oliver will break Roy out and send him packing. Roy will be on the run and that is why he is absent in coming episodes.
ReplyDeleteThat works too.
ReplyDeleteIt will be Akio who dies in the flashback. Emotional good bye will be between Oliver, Roy and team Arrow after they break him put and send him on the run. Or I hope so.
ReplyDeletePrefer him on the run than dead. Is he going to be shooting that movie and that's what's keeping him from shooting?
ReplyDeleteI have no idea about that. It would be neat if he runs from here and goes to TNT to do the titans show. I know its not a Berlanti production but it is still DC.
ReplyDeleteYeah that would be cool am definitely looking forward to that show. Wonder when they'll start casting and filming the pilot.
ReplyDeleteyeah, intense scenes either way and more reason to hate Lance
ReplyDeleteOMG !!!
ReplyDeleteRoy will end up taking the fall for Arrow ( going to prison ... he believes he deserves to for killing the police officer ) well Oliver goes free to fight another day with a new 'secret' identity
I hope Ray do something and get Oliver and Roy out of this mess.......come on he has the money to pay for a good lawyer and forensic at PT to prov the arrow innocence.......It won't be fun seeing Oliver being a criminal for the rest of the season
ReplyDeleteAwesome episode, but are you kidding me Shado is not alive!
ReplyDeleteNope. Her twin sister Mae is though.
ReplyDeleteRoy will probably be in prison for two episodes......that is probably why he is not around for filming but the evidence against him is not really strong because it just a bunch of damn arrows unless there is DNA evidence no court should convict him
ReplyDeleteYeah, but i'm very disappointed!
ReplyDeleteMy guess Felicity will use Ray's help and money to help Roy run. I have a feeling Oliver and co will disband Team Arrow and go different ways at the end of this season. There is also a spoiler that Ra's actions has a huge effect on Diggle and Lyla. I hope baby Sara is okay. Or the whole team will go underground at the end of this season except Laurel who will be their liason to the outer world.
ReplyDeleteI'm going with all of season four with just a few guest appearances through out the season.
ReplyDeleteRoy can admit to killing one of his victims ( the police officer ) and take a lie detector to prove it. If Quentin comes around in the end he may end up planning evidence to make Roy look even more guilty so Oliver will go free.
He is only 8 years old.
ReplyDeleteI don't they drag this possible storyline of being wanted fugitive for season 4 as well. They will wrapped up the LOA storyline and have Oliver/Roy name clear but they probably no longer be allow to mask hero in starling ever again perhaps exile/ban
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?t=128&v=yzJKPCsx3B4
ReplyDeleteJust blocked it out didn't you?
ReplyDeleteHunter's experienced as a time traveller and leader and hero. Palmer is a noob hero.
ReplyDeleteYeah except Sara was the proto- Canary. Laurel is Black Canary. And Malcolm was the only actual Dark Archer. And Wintergreen was a red herring like Tommy at first.
ReplyDeleteI hope Joe hears about it somehow and defends Barry.
ReplyDeleteTrue. Oh thank God Laurel and Oliver are done.
ReplyDeleteHey people I take it I've missed something I haven't seen anything about someone dying in Ep 19 seen something about it being an emotional episode and just figured it was Oliver leaving team arrow to join the league.. Can someone point me in the right direction cheers
ReplyDeleteI used to love Quentin but rigth now he is so obssessed that he is doing it all wrong. I want to slap him.
ReplyDeleteI can't believe they managed to make me hate him in one single episode! LOVED him which makes this hurt even more. BUT IF YOU SLAP OLIVER, INSULT BARRY AND ARREST BABY BOY ROY THEN YOU ARE DEAD TO ME!
ReplyDeleteIt was personal even before that. He didn't give Oliver the benefit of the doubt. Four episodes ago he believed the Arrow was a hero and now it's like he wants him to be a murderer so he could get his revenge.
ReplyDeleteStill it's bothering me that this whole crusade and anger towards the Arrow started with this stupid lie!
ReplyDeleteNO I don't want him to go I love Paul and deep (way deep) down I still love Quentin; I'm just so furious right now to tap into that emotion.
ReplyDeleteExactly
ReplyDeleteWow that article is long and I can't read all that so a quick question, even if he formed the Outsiders how will that help him fight in the city without being targeted?
ReplyDeleteLet's hope they start to make more sense from now on.
ReplyDeleteYes Sir. I must've did it so fast, I didn't even notice. (Happens often)
ReplyDeleteWait! Did you read my comments before you wrote this or do we think that much alike? I used the exact same words! This is scary!
ReplyDeleteRoy Harper and Oliver Queen need to be protected from this bad world. Also Dig is the greatest big brother in the world.
The episode was good, but in order to enjoy what was happening we had pretend like a bunch a things never occurred.
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty sure Lance remembers Felicity was his major way to contact the Arrow so why the hell he didn't go after her? This bugs me so much. She was standing in a hospital and neither her or the team seemed worried about the fact that she was the only confirmed identity Lance had.
People on the show keep forgetting that it was Sara's choice to reunite with the League and that her death is a consequence of her highly dangerous job and Malcolm's fault. Laurel is in a tough position but she should clarify things to Lance by telling him the whole story, I'm not even sure what he knows besides the fact that Sara is dead, does he know who killed her? Does he know about Malcolm's involvement? I cringe so much every time someone say to Oliver that it was his fault Sara was in the Queen's Gambit, I must have missed the episode when he kidnapped her because as far as I'm concerned she went on her on free will. This crap was acceptable on season 1, but right now it only justifies the producer's need for crazy twists. I'm tired of they exonerating bad characters decisions based on grief, this trope got old back in season 2. Malcolm is a villain because his wife died, Slade is a villain because of Shado's death, they did that to Laurel over and over again and it was a shitfest, now they are doing it to Quentin.
Yeah, the show will never be the same, but is that a good thing, really?
I must say I felt sorry for Ray. Just a little bit. He said I love you and got a jello in return. That must have hurt more than an arrow in the chest.
ReplyDeleteHe will come around eventually. Or he dies. But he won't be an enemy of Arrow for long.
ReplyDeleteI don't know, what proof do they really have against Oliver or Roy? And now that both admited to being Arrow, that's worth nothing. Ra's will hardly make a statement at court, neither will Palmer, Felicity, Laurel, Diggle (or anyone else knowing Oliver's secret). And fact is, no one of Team Arrow killed the mayor or any of the others. Sure, there are still the killings from season 1, but they never could really connect Oliver to it.
ReplyDeleteBut Quentin knows Roy is Arsenal and Oliver is Arrow. So that ending doesn't make sense to me.
ReplyDeleteIf he does get the powers it would justify the need for all those hospital scenes. It makes a lot of sense.
ReplyDeleteI know I'm awful for saying this but both events made me very happy :D
ReplyDeleteAnd seriously who says I love you this fast? Even I (who is a hopeless romantic and believes in love at first sight and all that nonsense lol) thinks it was way too soon. His fiance died less than a year ago and "yesterday" he was about to break up with Felicity and said she was untrustworthy, a liar, helps a murderer and she lets her emotions cloud her judgement; not to mention that he deliberately hurt one of her friends and was about to hurt the other one knowing full well that she is in love with him, and now suddenly he's dropping the L bomb! Are you kidding me?
Oh c'mon! You can't tell me that Barry Allen isn't going to go back in time in the upcoming crossover episode and give the Arrow back his anonymity. The whole show would just become silly, if too many people knew who's behind Arrow, Arsenal and Black Canary. Roy's Little stunt at the end could never (in any semi-real world) really succeed in drawing the attention away again from the others.
ReplyDeleteNo I did not. My first comment on the show is always before I read anyone else's pov. Otherwise I will start thinking about the scenes in different way. See we are connected we could drive a jaeger if we put our mind to it.
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