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POLL : What did you think of 12 Monkeys - Paradox?

4 Apr 2015

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89 comments:

  1. Andrea4 April 2015 at 03:08

    IMCAPABLE OF COHERENT THINKING RIGHT NOW

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  2. ivan4 April 2015 at 03:08

    right?! LOL

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  3. Andrea4 April 2015 at 03:09

    So much touching and caring and feelings and mindfck! This episode was SO GOOD.

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  4. ivan4 April 2015 at 03:10

    they definitely made it up to us Cole and Cassie shippers huh? LOL

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  5. ivan4 April 2015 at 03:14

    AWESOME EPISODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i can't believe a Paradox saved Cole!!!!!!!!!!! i have never heard of a Paradox being able to be used to SAVE someone. Cole was so BADASS in that scene!!!!!!!!!!!!! i can't believe Aaron went that far as to send the 12 Monkeys to kill Cole. LOVED ALL THE CASSIE AND COLE MOMENTS!!!!!!! so Cole can't splinter anymore, he really IS stuck in 2015 whoa!!! it really surprised me that Cole's father was actually a good and decent man, usually in shows the dad's a deadbeat and abandon their kids, but WHY?! why did he have to die, at least he died to save his son. Cole went Terminator after the Paradox explosion LOL. So Jones knew all along who Cole really was, who the hell are those robed people? The Army of the 12 Monkeys? Why couldn't Jones raise young Cole so he never would've met Ramse?!!!

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  6. Andrea4 April 2015 at 03:15

    Boy, and what a making up that was. Now Cassie and Cole will need to find a place to stay (together :P)

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  7. Carrigon4 April 2015 at 03:19

    OMG, it was a hundred shades of Awesome. Best ep yet.



    Did he kill Pallid Man? Or is he still alive?



    Cole's dad was awesome, too. And I love younger Jones.



    Looks like Aaron is out of the picture with Cassie now.



    Can't wait for the finale, but I want more eps now.

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  8. BlueStar4 April 2015 at 03:22

    Such an amazing episode!


    So many questions answered, like the address Cassie gave Cole and what the falling milk visions meant. I knew that the blonde in that vision was Cassie!


    Loved meeting Cole's father and his talk with Cole. So sad he got killed in front of young Cole by the 12 Monkeys. :(


    Aaron is the reason why Cole's father died, and Cassie knows he went to the 12 Monkeys and gave up their location. Yes! That relationship is officially over. Aaron you screwed up big time. Cassie would never agree to hiding and letting everyone else die. She's no coward.


    Quick future talk: I wonder how plants of the past are getting through the time machine? A leak? The 12 Monkeys trying to find a way through it in the past?


    I figured 2015 Jones wouldn't want to know everything that happened in fear of changing important events that could help them.


    As predicted Cole is stuck in 2015 now and I am not sorry about that at all.


    Jones saying Cole was more than a friend to Cassie was awesome. So much care from Cassie this episode it was sweet.


    And last but not least: Cassie held Cole's hand! OMG I am so happy right now.

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  9. ivan4 April 2015 at 03:23

    ohh right! the Bookstore blew up LOL, i WILL miss that place but hey Cole lives in 2015 now and he DOES need a place and what better place the than with Cassie LOL

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  10. ivan4 April 2015 at 03:26

    that was AWESOME right?!!! they HELD hands!!!! do you think we have another Ramse on our hands with Aaron?

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  11. ivan4 April 2015 at 03:27

    i think since the Pallid Man flew out the window and i don't think Cassie saw him, he's still alive

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  12. ivan4 April 2015 at 03:27

    and i was joking when i predicted Jennifer was the new CEO, i wasn't serious! LMAO

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  13. BlueStar4 April 2015 at 03:28

    They don't want to mess up the timeline so in order not to Cole has to meet Ramse and so forth.


    I knew Cole's father would be a good guy. Just got that sense from the spoilers/photos.

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  14. ivan4 April 2015 at 03:29

    i guess but knowing how life will be for that poor boy i want them to change his life

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  15. BlueStar4 April 2015 at 03:33

    I don't know where he'll go from here. It's possible he'll still try to save Cassie and may work with the 12 Monkeys for that reason, but without being around Cole and Cassie anymore he may not be as useful to them anymore. Though maybe he'll help them get more involved in the government?

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  16. ivan4 April 2015 at 03:34

    just what we need: the Government involve in the devastation of the world

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  17. BlueStar4 April 2015 at 03:35

    She must still have her house? She only stayed at the library to hide out. Okay, so maybe not her house. More than ever they need a place where no one can find them. I'll be curious as to where they go.

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  18. BlueStar4 April 2015 at 03:36

    If they get under their noses, the government likely will have no idea.

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  19. Andrea4 April 2015 at 03:36

    I always had the feeling she lived with Aaron before Cole kidnapped her, then used the bookstore instead of getting her own place.

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  20. BlueStar4 April 2015 at 03:36

    Yeah, it sucks. Poor Cole.

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  21. Andrea4 April 2015 at 03:37

    Yeah they'll be permanent rommates now LOL

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  22. BlueStar4 April 2015 at 03:38

    And now the 12 Monkeys can use her to help them gain excess to the Markridge labs.

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  23. BlueStar4 April 2015 at 03:40

    You're probably right.

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  24. BlueStar4 April 2015 at 03:41

    2 Words: Close Quarters. ;)

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  25. Carrigon4 April 2015 at 03:46

    Cole must time travel again at some point. Did you see how his reaction to the boy was the same as his reaction to the virus origin body? That means he is the origin.

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  26. Andrea4 April 2015 at 03:47

    hand holding, more than a friend. We know where that will lead.

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  27. ivan4 April 2015 at 03:56

    i just never saw it coming LOL

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  28. ivan4 April 2015 at 03:56

    more "gun training" sessions LOL

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  29. ivan4 April 2015 at 03:57

    no it was the paradox

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  30. BlueStar4 April 2015 at 04:01

    Me neither.

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  31. WildThing4 April 2015 at 04:06

    Fantastic episode! Can't wait until the finale! I'm so happy that this show is already renewed for a second season! :)

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  32. Jamie4 April 2015 at 04:24

    Now that we answered who the witness is, there's still another question that needs to be answered. Who the hell is that woman who kept writing to Ramse in prison? I completely forgot her name but it seems that she knew a lot of stuff before she met Ramse. Im thinking that someone traveled back and told her or maybe she's related to Cole? Or maybe someone traveled back to the past to create the 12 Monkeys cult which the lady's father was a part of where she was influenced by him. Either way there's something off about her.

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  33. Andrea4 April 2015 at 04:24

    Every time he was next to the corpse he was conveniently hurt. So whenever he reacted could be either from the corpse or the wound.

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  34. BlueStar4 April 2015 at 04:28

    Olivia/the striking woman is who was writing to Ramse.


    I don't have any theories on who told Olivia what she knew. But they mentioned a relative of hers.

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  35. BlueStar4 April 2015 at 04:29

    Please don't say that. We're trying to debunk this theory. lol

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  36. ivan4 April 2015 at 04:42

    i liked that Cassie hated when Jones was smoking, since they never point it out

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  37. ivan4 April 2015 at 04:43

    probably Dear Old Dad

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  38. Andrea4 April 2015 at 04:53

    Maybe Cole's mom? She seemed to know a lot.

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  39. Andrea4 April 2015 at 04:54

    LOL they have to eventually change the timeline or else it will be a never ending cycle, so if the corpse is Cole, at one time it will change.

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  40. SGU4 April 2015 at 04:55

    Just wow, I honestly never thought this show would get this good. And it's making me feel all these feelings, I'm not ok :( More answers in this episode like the last one but more questions too. I'm intrigued by the blue people and how the red ivy is growing on the machine and where/when it's coming from.


    Aaron and Amanda are so amazing on screen together, the entire cast are brilliant and it makes the show so much better. Jennifer was hilarious at Markridge lol and Casserole holding hands at the end! Definitely a romance I can get behind :)


    I'm so so glad this is already renewed but I don't trust SyFy to finish it. I hope they realise what a gem they have here and treat it properly, and I hope everyone else sees what a gem this show is and starts watching it!

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  43. BlueStar4 April 2015 at 05:24

    How would that mean things change?

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  44. BlueStar4 April 2015 at 05:26

    So long as Syfy gives a warning when it comes time to end it, enough for the writers to wrap it up, I will be very happy with whatever I get.

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  45. ivan4 April 2015 at 05:42

    i still don't get the ship name Casserole: it's Cassandra and Cole, there's no "E" in her name

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  46. Candice M4 April 2015 at 06:27

    Love the episode. It was great to see Jones in the 2015 timeline. I don't know what to think about the blue people.


    I really want to see if Cole's mom comes back into play.


    It was also great to see movement in Jennifer's story.

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  47. ivan4 April 2015 at 06:27

    so they ARE blue? i just thought they were pale

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  48. Babar Suhail4 April 2015 at 07:25

    I thought he was dead when Cole shot him, but turn out it just hit his shoulder.

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  49. JazzyEli4 April 2015 at 07:36

    Fuck!! you really made me think about that last part, well, maybe Jones didn't raise Cole because she didn't know what was coming at that time, after all she's not a time traveler, and grown up Cole didn't tell her anything about their future, or how his beloved friend who happen to know in that orphanage will become their greatest enemy, so that could explain why she didn't do it. Now did you understand what's the matter with Cole's mom??, is she connected to the 12 monkeys??, because I didn't get that part, and that's killing me!!.

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  50. magnutude4 April 2015 at 07:44

    Wow, just caught up on the last 2 eps and am just blown away by how mind/time bendingly awesome this show is... from the reveal of Ramsey as the witness, to meeting young Jones/Cole, the tragic turn by traitor Aaron (even though he had decent intentions), the reveal of the mysterious images/memories, the paradox saving Cole etc... and the introduction of the mysterious pale hooded army with Deacon, who was Cole's mother and what was her connection to everything, and who is the " creepy soft talking lady" who seems to know everything (apparently even back in 1987) who doesn't seem to age much.... geez so awesome that my head hurts.... def gonna watch this again...

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  51. nobody4 April 2015 at 08:28

    Now this is a "Sci - Fi Drama" at it's best! Where to begin?
    1) Jennifer episode are simply AWESOME (I've said this before)!
    2) Ramses is the "Witness"................and a "asshole"!
    3) Jones - chain - smoking smart - ass in the past or the future!
    4) Cole knows "same matter can't occupy same space" rule, but did he know the "no clothes" rule?
    5) "Blue Man Army" looks like bad news for "Splinter HQ".
    I have to stop here, because there's just to much to post and tonight's episode answered a lot of questions. Little Cole and little Ramses, Olivia equals "Striking Woman" (and possibly Cole's mother), and the "Pallid Man" just won't die...........he can't die..........he doesn't look like the "Grim Reaper" for nothing. With the renewal of this great series, perhaps SyFy has "turned a corner" on the dumb decision making............or we can hope. How's "Cassole" (Cassandra/Cole) for a "ship" name? 4 THE MAD/MONKEY/SCIENCE ARMY (Jennifer/Cole/Cassandra), I am Nobody!!!

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  52. ivan4 April 2015 at 08:48

    well he got thrown out a window LOL

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  53. ivan4 April 2015 at 08:52

    wait you think olivia's Cole mother?! as much as i hate it, you might be right. In a webisode she said basically the same thing Cole said in the pilot voice-over the "Where are you right now" speech

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  54. ivan4 April 2015 at 12:21

    just saw the sneak peek for the season finale and it's HORRIBLE that Aaron got to this point

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  55. Susan McIntyre4 April 2015 at 12:59

    I have to re-watch last night's episode right now...but I thought Cole's dad said Cole's mother told him to protect Cole from the 12 monkeys? If that's the case, I doubt Olivie/Striking Women is Coles mom.

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  56. ivan4 April 2015 at 13:20

    yeah i know, she's not

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  57. SGU4 April 2015 at 13:56

    Lol I think it's the R is more out of place, if you call her Cassie there's an E. But sometimes if a ship name is close enough to a real word people just change it because it sounds better. Like Scott and Stiles on Teen Wolf is Sciles but a lot of people call them Skittles too.

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  58. ivan4 April 2015 at 14:10

    okay i guess that makes sense

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  59. BlueStar4 April 2015 at 15:45

    I liked Aaron but I always figured he'd either die or do something wrong so I'm not terribly shocked and his character just doesn't really matter to me.

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  60. BlueStar4 April 2015 at 15:49

    She can't be. Her name is Olivia, not Marion. She's got a vibe where I can't have seen her in any sort of normal relationship, and she's on the bad side trying to stop Cole/start the plague while Marion just wanted to protect him from the 12 Monkeys.

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  61. DarthLocke44 April 2015 at 16:15

    These past two have been fantastic! Way to up the game with a new iteration and really play with various theoretical temporal effects, let alone it feels more and more character driven! Looking forward to the finale, and thanks again SYFY for renewing this and not making us sweat bullets!

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  62. DarthLocke44 April 2015 at 16:20

    " Why couldn't Jones raise young Cole so he never would've met Ramse?!!!"


    Because 2043 Jones doesn't seem to know that Ramsey was not apart of the previous iteration--they had to wait for "the witness" to come and now he is here...The show seems to operate in a way where some things change, but not enough [yet] to majorly alter future events. That it is why until the end of the series, we will have an argument about predetermination [fate] verses change [free will] and/or if changing Fate is still apart of what fate is!

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  63. ivan4 April 2015 at 16:25

    is her voice real? LOL

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  64. greenlatopia1 .4 April 2015 at 17:10

    that was AMAZING !! best one yet .

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  65. Mandy4 April 2015 at 21:53

    The timeline on this show is so wibbly wobbly timey wimey! I think they are trying to hard to have everyone connected and cross paths. I'm just glad Ramsey stupid face wasn't shown! I can't wait for the end. I hope everything is tied up and they can have season two about Cole and Cassie alone on an island living out the virus happy ever after.

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  66. Boris B5 April 2015 at 00:32

    That body that was burned in the lab is Cole himself. Touching the right eye is the same scenario when he came close to the mummified body.

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  67. Boris B5 April 2015 at 00:35

    I think he is dead bc remember in the pilot when paradox activates anything or anyone in the radius dies from the blast. Tho Jennifer dad was alive briefly before Cole shot him but the goon squad died lol

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  68. Boris B5 April 2015 at 00:37

    The flowers are leaking through bc both Cole and Ramse are out of time placement. It's an effect that happens when key components of time is pulled out and placed else where in the timeline thus having the void filled with something else.

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  69. Boris B5 April 2015 at 00:39

    I will be dammed if that women who Aaron was talking to is actually Cole mom i will laughing myself into tears if that happens lol.

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  70. ivan5 April 2015 at 07:38

    yeah she knew about the 12 Monkeys and that's why she gave him to his father

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  71. ivan5 April 2015 at 07:40

    well if he IS dead, that's a hell of a way to go

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  72. ivan5 April 2015 at 07:41

    so a balance?

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  73. DngnRdr5 April 2015 at 09:57

    Seems unlikely given she's working with Ramsay and trying to get the virus, and Cole's mother was trying to protect him from the 12 monkeys when she gave him to his father.

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  74. DngnRdr5 April 2015 at 09:58

    I don't see that plot holding everyones interest too long.... but removing Cole's time travel ability has really shortened the life of this show IMO... the time travel aspect is a huge part of the story and if he can't time travel any longer then .....

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  75. ivan5 April 2015 at 09:59

    or even be friends with a smoker

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  76. ivan5 April 2015 at 10:00

    definitely, without the virus of course

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  77. BlueStar5 April 2015 at 17:23

    Some people on occasion do not get major health issues from it. You'd have to be extremely lucky. And TV/film isn't going to be the place to go to for realism.

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  78. Boris B5 April 2015 at 21:32

    Yes the timeline needs to be balance out.

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  79. Boris B5 April 2015 at 21:33

    True but if the 12 monkeys showed her their vision i can easily see how she can turn sides.

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  80. ivan6 April 2015 at 06:41

    huh i've never heard that, i've heard when death is averted another death must be paid, But never about a void

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  81. ivan6 April 2015 at 06:44

    you're kidding, whoa and yeah definitely. Speaking of that, in TV do they ACTUALLY smoke? because that's a hell of a risk, essentially getting actors addicted to smoking or is it like alcohol? you know, iced tea or apple juice for scotch and etc.

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  82. ivan6 April 2015 at 06:46

    that quick? no i would rather Cole having GOOD parents even if his mom left him, at least his father was a GOOD man

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  83. BlueStar6 April 2015 at 15:12

    From what I've heard they actually do smoke but don't inhale it? I don't know if it's the same for all the shows/movies but I remember an actor saying that one time.

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  84. Boris B6 April 2015 at 22:26

    You gotta remember Cole be splintering alot and made changes alot and besides his dad never told him how his mom is like and we havent seen her yet or have we but don't know it lol

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  85. Boris B6 April 2015 at 22:28

    No when someone is suppose to death at a certain moment but somehow avoids it doesn't mean that person has cheated death they actually delayed it. Like Wells once said "The past has a way of catching up" lol

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  86. ivan7 April 2015 at 06:13

    huh that's horrible but true, yeah weird that we're listening to the advice of a psychopath that took another man's face but he has a point

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  87. ivan7 April 2015 at 06:15

    how can you smoke but not inhale it, doesn't mean when the cigarette turns "on" it means it's inhaled?

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  88. Boris B7 April 2015 at 06:24

    Lets take Joe's boss he got paralyzed but Barry went back and Reset-ted the day. Just bc he avoided the captain being paralyzed doesn't mean it will not catch up to him. The writers will find a way for the captain to become paralyzed again. When something happens in time stream like a specific event its becomes locked in the timeline meaning no matter how much you wanna change it the outcome will be the same.

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  89. BlueStar7 April 2015 at 13:51

    I'm not saying that's what they all do. Just saying that's what's been told once. I have no idea how it works so I will end with a IDK.

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