Thanks to Michu1945 for the heads up.
Take the following with a grain of salt.
First we have this tweet that appears to come from someone who watched the filming from the set.
Looks like Emma sacrificies herself for Regina. Jen runs away at the end, like Emma disappears? Last scene of s4? #OUAT #OnceUponATime
— Marie ㋡ (@mcalfo) April 2, 2015Then we have this photo, allegedly from the scene.
Thanks to Nordica for this extra info.
Megaspoiler from OUAS:
Info from fans that are on set:
" Emma has the dagger. Emma takes Regina’s place. Emma and Hook apparently kiss before pushing him away, then lightning hits her/the dagger and Emma vanishes. Everyone is confused and Snow is crying.
Before the above happens, Robin tries protecting Regina from whatever is attacking her, but is thrown back.
After Emma disappears, the dagger is left behind.
Whatever is attacking Regina, Emma takes her spot. No body switching or anything. "
Info from fans that are on set:
" Emma has the dagger. Emma takes Regina’s place. Emma and Hook apparently kiss before pushing him away, then lightning hits her/the dagger and Emma vanishes. Everyone is confused and Snow is crying.
Before the above happens, Robin tries protecting Regina from whatever is attacking her, but is thrown back.
After Emma disappears, the dagger is left behind.
Whatever is attacking Regina, Emma takes her spot. No body switching or anything. "
Megaspoiler from OUAS:
ReplyDeleteInfo from fans that are on set:
" Emma has the dagger. Emma takes Regina’s place. Emma and Hook apparently kiss before pushing him away, then lightning hits her/the dagger and Emma vanishes. Everyone is confused and Snow is crying.
Before the above happens, Robin tries protecting Regina from whatever is attacking her, but is thrown back.
After Emma disappears, the dagger is left behind.
Whatever is attacking Regina, Emma takes her spot. No body switching or anything. ”
I read the whole morning on Twitter the news, amazing and a big cliffhanger. What I'm a little worried, nothing about Belle and Rumple. And what I'm curious about: still the name from Rumple on the dagger? of corse, as a viewer so far away they couldn't see something about that.
ReplyDeleteSo, Emma now is "the first time" really a true savior. I'm really looking for the season end. How can we not be "on pins and needles" about these news?
I agree. Sounds really exciting. All I heard about Rumple is that RC will be back next season.
ReplyDeleteyes, I read this too and make me very...yes I know I'm crazy
ReplyDeleteEmma commanding the Dark one ? Emma becoming the Dark One ??
ReplyDeleteHeheh. Aren't we all. ;-)
ReplyDeleteWhat is up with all the spoilerly Photos from abc shows' finales. First revenge now OUAT
ReplyDeleteI've always thought that this season would end up with Emma becoming the new Dark One ... But why would she then disappear and the dagger be left behind. It seems like the dagger is sucking away light and hope. That would mean Emma going dark for real, perhaps.
ReplyDeleteIt's nothing new for OuaT because they are always filming on location in Steveston.
ReplyDeletenot all... but I'm the most
ReplyDeleteThanks @Nordica I've added that info into the post.
ReplyDeleteaccording a tweet from Horowitz yesterday if Emma becoming the Dark One: Fake (no 1st April joke)
ReplyDeleteOh okay but still. Why do they release These Kind of things. Sure, it makes the fans excited but it spoils A LOT
ReplyDeleteYou don't need to see it.
ReplyDeleteAre U freaking kidding me???????
ReplyDeleteAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
And back to the Envhanted Forest it is, I presume. Can't wait!
And don't forget there is always one more last scene!
I understand your frustration, but if every core character was living happily ever after - then the show would pretty much stop ... in a way.
ReplyDeleteThank U.
ReplyDeleteI did not :)
ReplyDeleteThis is crazy awesome if even a little is legit
ReplyDeletePeople gather at the shooting scene and no matter how good they protect the scene people find a way to snip a shot.
ReplyDeleteIt sucks a bit but can't really fight it.
Umm, I'll rather watch Regina running after her happy ending than Hook in any storyline, especially with Emma. Well, actually I could even do without Emma. She annoys me so much lately.
ReplyDeleteactually, i wonder if Emma could become the dark one (or destroy the power of the dagger ?) from the 1*08 "desperate souls". I have been very interested all along the seasons 1 & 2 by the relationship between the Savior and the Dark one and by the thing they share : they're both desperate souls. So Emma with the dagger in her hand, it's compelling, exciting and worrying : is it for the best or the worst ?
ReplyDeleteThey should really keep the fans away for scenes like this one. Last year it was the finale with Pan, and now this.
ReplyDeleteYou like Regina I like hook- to each his own and I respect that but I do totally agree about Emma's character this season-IMO not much character development there
ReplyDeleteWho knows. Maybe they won't be parted for long :-)
ReplyDeletei seriously want to believe the information release yesterday, but it's really hard to since social media has messed believing anything that comes out April 1st. I read so many fake stories yesterday it sad. For now, I'll believe it when I see it on May 10... I would have took it serious had this information release March 31st or Late to day or any day but April 1st.
ReplyDeleteNo, I think is wonderful to let see the fans what they get/can expect. You can only speculate what happened and have to wait until the 10th May to be real sure. I like it when creators honor the fans like this. I'm honest: was very happy to read this morning all these scenes on Twitter, because I'll never have the chance to can see this once in real too.
ReplyDeleteOnly whom I missed: Belle and Rumple ;-)
LOL I keep laughing at the "There is clearly some powerful fucking magic happening." lmao
ReplyDeletethe moment I read this part I knew, was really a fake :-( but why can't Rumbelle-shippers dream, as all other shipper can dream too?
ReplyDeleteso you mean such a large company as Disney/ABC "waste" money (every minute of acting spent a lot think I) only to make a 1st April joke, because much fans are around? hmmm.....
ReplyDeleteyeah I agree. I always think they don't even have to focus so much on the Romance and the show would be awesome. I love CS but I agree they had an amazing development over what like 3 seasons but this season, they haven't been really happy just stressed out. I would've loved just a scene them watching Disney movies haha But oh well we can't really do anything hahah we just have to wait and see :/
ReplyDeleteomg what if emma goes to the enchanted forest but does like a time jump so when they find her she has settle down there and is either a princess or a warrior or something completly different. I know that won't happen but that would be kinda fun. If she dissapears I hope we don't get Season 3 all over again. I loved Season 3 but please don't repeat storylines :(
ReplyDeletewaste money? they saving money by filming in Canada. this wouldnt be the 1st scene created that's never be seen. lets not forget 2 scenes were shot from the season 3 finale and the 1st scene shot hasnt seen the light of day.
ReplyDeleteWHAT IN THE WORLD! that author really like to messed uo things. What's with the lighting thing? are we going to see Percy Jackson or what?.
ReplyDeleteAnd the dagger is "attacking" anyone who is close to it, if Regina had it and was doing something to her then Emma took it and it started with her but why?, the dagger was fine in other hans or is it like Rumple is dying the Dagger has a afe a way to keep itself till the next dark one comes?
Not sure why anyone would assume that Carlyle wouldn't be back, he's the best known actor out of the bunch
ReplyDeleteyes, you've right. But not such a big scene only to josh the fans, only because it's the 1st April? only what I know: we have to wait until 10 May and see what really happened. I'm very excited about it.
ReplyDeleteNot reading what the fans said.
ReplyDeletethank you, well written!!!! my thoughts :-)
ReplyDeleteSurprise :-) https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/583652784676802560
ReplyDelete@OriginalGroupi thank you, but still shooting next week!
This is so amazing! Thanks for posting the info. Maybe this means that Emma becomes the next Dark One although I don't think so because that would mean Rumplestinskin would be dead. And, let's admit it, Robert Carlyle is one of the best actors of the show and I don't think he would leave ouat.
ReplyDeleteI guess season 5 will focus on the search for Emma and how it affects everyone. I just want Easter to end so I can watch the next episodes of ouat!
And you say you are frustrated? As a huge Rumbelle-Fan, what should I say? Rumple and Belle spent more time seperated from each other than being together. First he got her back after the curse was broken, then she lost her memories, then she was Lacey, then, when she finally got her memories back, Rumple went to Neverland without her. They were seperated almost the whole half of season 3A. They were together for two episodes, then Rumple sacrificed himself. We had to wait for episode 3x20 to see them together again. In season 4A, they were together, but watching did not make fun, cause Rumple got all crazy and lied to her all the time. It doesn't seem that season 4B will change this. As I read the spoilers, they will have their first eye-to-eye conversation in 4x20 -.-' I'm happy for every 5 minutes I get with them, cause I'm so desperate. Because of this I would love to be a CaptainSwan Fan, cause they can at least spent time together onscreen. They were together in almost every episode of season 3, they were happy together in season 4a and propably will be until the last episode of season 4b. I would be happy if Rumple and Belle would have so much screentime together. It's true, the writers aren't very nice with our couples on OuAT , they don't give them a break, but I'm sort of pissed of with this flip-flopping relationship. I can understand your frustration, but you can be sure, my frustration is much bigger =_=
ReplyDeletenow i am eager to watch the season finale and i hope they renew once upon a time and we can have season 5.
ReplyDeleteCompletely agree Letti. I used to love Emma as a character, but ever since they stuck her with Hook she is seriously grating on me, everytime they are onscreen I actually contemplate not watching the show anymore. Awful, AWFUL pairing and I'm glad this means Hook isn't getting a happy ending (for now at least), I'm sick of everything just being handed to him without him having to work for it like everyone else. Nothing he does ever comes back to haunt him and whenever it does, its brushed over with "oh he's a good guy now so...yeah. He didn't mean it...honestly, he didn't!"
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with you on that as well. I loved the wedding scene with Belle/Rumple as it really showed who he was and why she accepted him etc. I agree they are not very nice to couples which is sort of counterproductive to the premise of the show which we keep hearing about. I feel like the angst is for angst sakes as in this show the couples cannot be together unless they face these super hurdles every episode. I am saddened what they did to RB. I want Regina to have her happ-y ending too but it seems like that is the couple they spent 5 minutes developing then less than one season apart and possibly back together at the end of S4 while the other ones are separated-I don't like the inconsistencies and I don't feel entertained any more, especially if yet another true love couple gets separated. Why even bother having a show about happy endings or true love if every one never gets a break-its too exhausting watching!
ReplyDeleteYeah, Emma's character is really badly written this season. Sorry for being rude previously. The truth is I used to love Hook. But now I think he's just as badly written as Emma and it annoys me very much. Sure, he's still hot, but he doesn't really have anything to do but being Emma's puppy. Even the Ursula flashbacks didn't do it for me now.
ReplyDeleteAs for Regina, sometimes her story is also dragged too much, but I like that she has developement from evil to good. My biggest problem with Hook is that he was a villian one day, and became a hero the next day with no developement. He didn't pay for anything he did. I wouldn't mind an actual redemption plot from him. Without that, I don't think I'll ever be interested in him again.
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ReplyDeleteAgain I totally agree. I have enjoyed Hook in both Season 2 and 3 but his character has been totally underused in Season 4 other than to be at Emma's beck and call. He was a strong character in the previous season but they have made him into purely Emma's love interest, which even though I like them together, is not who he should only be. I find that this season there has been no,character development with anyone, in fact like you say with Emma, most characters have become someone totally different to who they really are.
ReplyDeleteAlsot the best actor. :)
ReplyDeletei hope like crazy this is not true emma is the savior she dont need to die all of the storybrooke gang deserves to b alive but not gold because he has done worse than regina and he is the dark one the dagger controls him so i am freaking out reading this info
ReplyDeleteemma ...its not the first time she tookregina's place, last time she got suck into a hat to Enchanted forest bcoz she wants save regina.
ReplyDeletei hate regina and their stupid happy ending
ReplyDeletethank you, you're a real Rumbelle-fan too! we asked last week on Twitter Mr.Horowitz, if he hates Rumbelle and he denied. He said, that all (we) fans are inspiration for him. And we said, that we don't believe him, after what he's doing with Rumbelle.
ReplyDeleteNo we see, what future will brings.
PRICELESS! without him: UNTHINKABLE!
ReplyDeleteWhat if Rumple is stripping himself from the control of the dagger, but keeping his powers. To make sure his plan is ruined, he places a protection spell on the dagger that would knock everyone back and transport them somewhere else.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry. I love Emma and everything but she would suck as the Dark One and her character development this season has been lacking. This entire season has been lacking!! and really you're gonna sacrifice yourself for Regina?? really! I love Regina but no, just no. It would make more sense if she sacrificed herself for Henry or her parents. And they better not kill Rumple. Robert Carlyle is the THE BEST actor on this show and loosing him would only make the show worse than it's already become in season 4.
ReplyDeleteAnd I need my Rumbelle back!!!
Stop behaving like diva and just stop watching. "This entire season has been lacking?" Relly? Where? At what point?
ReplyDeleteBut you had to make a comment... F**k logic.
ReplyDeleteIt makes perfect sense she sacrifice's herself for Regina... They are basically co-parents and have developed a close relationship... She would do anything for Henry and that includes saving Regina (which is good because Regina is #1 in my books)
ReplyDelete"stop behaving like a diva and just stop watching" 1. OK u want to talk to me try being polite because I haven't offended you in anyway! 2. OUaT is one of my favorite shows and the fact that I'm criticizing it shows how invested I am on the good quality and consistent writing and character development of this show. I listen to podcasts, watched all the episodes, come up with theories and talk about with friends so yes I do love this show just in case you were wondering. 3. The bad points I'm talking about are:
ReplyDelete- Introducing Will Scarlet/ The Knave as a main characters when we've barely seen him all season long. He doesn't even have a storyline.
- Making Rumple a one-dimensional villain after all that amazing character development of season 3.
- Suddenly Snow and Charming doing something as horrible as what they did to Maleficent's baby. It was completely out of character for them. There's no way that the heroes we met and fell in love with in the first season would've done something like that.
- Hook has become Emma's errand boy and doesn't even have a storyline aside from following Emma around. And that's coming from a Captain Swan shipper. (At heart I'm still SwanFire though).
- Oh and lets not forget how Ingrid/Elsa/Anna SL took up 90% of screentime and they completely neglected the core characters (Snow, Emma, Regina, David, Rumple, Belle and Hook).
I love the show but seasons 1-3 will always remain my favorites!!!!
NOW u talking normal. BTW. I agree with everything you wrote, but I still love this show, and this season. Best regards from Poland, Europe!
ReplyDeleteI'm surprised he's not trying to split from the dagger all the time.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, I'd be interested to see what happens if he'd stopped being the dark one. Maybe he'd be still as powerful as Regina or Cora after a few centuries of practice, minus the immortality.
Which reminds. The hat is another thing everyone just forgot about even though appararently it can lock away anyone...
OutlawQueen-Fans have a hard time too. Robin didn't really appear in these first 4 episodes of season 4b, and in season 4a they were suffering cause Marian did come back. CaptainSwan Fans should really be happy if they compare to the other pairings. Even if Emma and Hook will get seperated in the season finale, I doubt that will last very long. It's like I said earlier, since season 3, they were together in almost every episode. They were seperated not even for ONE episode after Emma and Henry left storybrook in season 3a, cause he appeared in front of her door at the end of the episode. So it is obvious the writers didin't want to keep them apart for too long. Wish I could be so lucky too. By the way, the only couple which was together all the time since season 2 are Snow and Charming. Why not seperate those two for a little while and give the other couples a little break? I liked them in season 1 and 2, but since season 3, they were a littly boring, and now in season 4, they're even a little disgusting. So please, give the other couples more time together, they deserved it, especially WE as the FANS deserve it ó__ò
ReplyDeletei don't think Rumple became a one-dimensional villain : he explained that whatever he does to be the good man, husband and father his son and wife wanted him to be, he failed, not only because he always chose the power of the dagger but because of this bloody Author who forbids him to get his happy ending. Being good is nonsense for Rumple and to get his happy ending, the only way is to be what is the best at : the Dark one. For their part, Snow and Charming are not born heroes and we already saw them (mainly Snow) making not so good deeds (Snow wanted to kill the Evil Queen and killed Cora). Actually, i think what Snow and Charming did to Maleficent is a kind of original sin in their story. It's just the worst part of their personality but it's deep within them.
ReplyDeleteThe hatus will make me die now I need S5 and beg for it more than before. If there wont be RIP me forever. SQ feels all summer anyway
ReplyDeleteThank you for expressing exactly how I feel. Agree with all you say. What really concerns me is that because they have made Hook basically Emma's puppy dog etc, what will his reaction to Emma disappearing be? Will he try t find her or will,he just give up and go back to being a villian because he
ReplyDeleteI agree with everything you said and you make excellent points. But mostly I just want my Rumbelle back and all these rumors about him dying and seeing Emma with the dagger and the fact that Robert Carlyle wrapped up filming a little earlier than the others has me seriously worried. My bet is that he looses his Dark One abilities, but I guess we're gonna have to wait till May 10. Ugh!!!! LOL.
ReplyDeleteCaptain Swan have had it easy this season LOL. Poor Rumbelle and Outlaw Queen.
ReplyDeleteMaybe Rumple's redemption arc will be trying to save Emma from becoming the dark one? That may be a way that fans could believe that Belle and he will find their way back to each other. As long as he doesn't take the dagger back and become Dark one again- if that happens at the end of the finale.
ReplyDeleteImagine, if Emma say to Regina at the end of this scene "I will always love you?" and then POOF, she's gone...
ReplyDeleteSwan Queen fans would be like:
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ReplyDeleteThe problem is once someone has been trapped in the hat, then has been set free, they cannot be re-trapped. If he split himself from the dagger with his power intact, I would assume he would still be powerful.
ReplyDeleteI only have one wish: official confirmation from the creators or ABC that Robert Carlyle really comes back for S5, even if much believe/know to believe, that he comes back and can't understand our concerns about.
ReplyDeleteagree. I ship both SQ & CaptainSwan so.
ReplyDeleteI'd like that too. I love his character; the way he constantly portrays his inner struggle of should I or shouldn't I. He really is able as an actor to make us belle he is actually having that battle of good and evil- not a lot of actors are that good but he is. Can't imagine the show without him for one second.
ReplyDeletebecause Rumple with no magic would be useless but I don't want him to leave... I fear he'll too thou :(
ReplyDeleteI know much are fed up with my constantly notion: the moment he leaves OUAT, I'll not watch again. Without him would be boring. I like all cast members, really, they do a great job, but he's the reason (how he plays Rumplestiltskin and Mr.Gold) I watch and love OUAT
ReplyDeleteWhere did you hear RC will be back? :D hope it too. Thou Rumple with no magic I gotta get used to that but I want him back. Who said he won't be back? If so Belle needs a new True Love :O who? Will?
ReplyDeleteoh and what did RC say on tweeter? Will he be back in S5 or not?
ReplyDeletewhen started the "Twitter-storm" about then end, fans could see, they said, during the moment they have filmed (sorry again my English), Robert Carlyle wrapped and leaves Vancouver. And Horowitz said in a Twitter-message, that they film until next Wednesday. So our concern: no "Robert Carlyle-need" for a week, perhaps he went home/finished earlier because Easter... Emma has the dagger... Rumple/Gold is ill... everything there is to conceive
ReplyDeletenothing, no message... much fans asked him about...and asked Horowitz...no answer... I know Mr. Carlyle doesn't like interviews etc..
ReplyDeleteso you think Rumple can still be back? I read an interview where he said he won't. Plus if he doesn't Who will be Belle's love? Maybe Will?
ReplyDeletewhere did you hear RC will be back? I hope so or Belle needs another love but who? I'll miss Rumple...
ReplyDeleteWell the way I look at things is if we can't talk about our favorite characters on a public site then why have them! There are specific reasons I watch any show and if they get messed with I stop but it's my time so I am allowed to do that and that includes posting comments about those reasons as often as I like ! I accept anyone else's opinions or favorites so bring on the Rumpleness as often as you like!
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I discovered now that tweet of the interview of Robert Carlyle to E!News was
fake. Lets wait!
On Tumblr. From several people.
ReplyDeletegood
ReplyDeleteok.
ReplyDeleteforget to ask @tvfilmfactors, if he can send to my twitter account the source, but it's ok. Happy Easter from Switzerland
ReplyDeletethanks you to you too.
ReplyDeleteYou're not alone! Believe me!
ReplyDeleteI love this man! :D at least we know he'll be back
don't love him, love his acting ;-) whatever I watch, I'm fascinating
ReplyDeletethank you :-)
ReplyDeleteThis picture looks funny as hell.
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ReplyDeleteI'm confused by this, does Emma die or turn dark?
ReplyDeleteIn Desperate Souls you learn that the next Dark One is identified as having a desperate soul; Zoso identified Rumple. Rumple identified Emma.
ReplyDeleteUp to this point she has never touched the Dagger. She is pure light magic so if she did it would be explosive as in she is a vacuum for darkness.
As for Regina, the darkness has tasted her and likes her taste so she is over due to be consumed in some manner or another.
But last we knew Rumple had the dagger and the Hat still is in town.
Something in the Hat scared Blue as in it is worse than the Chernabog and if freed it would go on a rampage consuming all it can. But it is possible to send away the darkness with a sacrifice of equal lightness which would cleanse the Dagger and at the same time free Rumple but in all likelihood Emma would end up in the Dark One Crypt. It would not turn her dark but it would as seen in the past force someone to die to release her.
This is all theoretical but I am imagining the dagger has no name on it after Emma is done or perhaps her name.
Then again the illogical destruction of the Chernabog could have just been that and that is what is being fought, the Lord of Darkness out for a tasty treat.
As for me I would hope the Darkness is part of something greater, freed when they go to find the apprentice who has not been seen yet but it would take the dagger or show to release. She is after all the only one to face darkness and turn away from it, (black/white candle). She can open the box without the dagger and Regina could repeat the spell with the black wand.
But it would be quite the cliff hanger if Emma is in the crypt come season end and absent a scroll there is only one way back to Mysthaven; a new book.
That's so the opposite of what RC wants so we'll see
ReplyDeleteIt's about time Captain Swan got a single obstacle.
ReplyDeleteIt's probably because her character is now solely there to give Hook screentime. His only storyline since Season 2 has been "how will I lie to Emma this time while being really earnest?" and it's just tiring when there are two character who get SO much screentime but don't actually have any characterization
ReplyDeleteSorry I am not quite sure what you mean?
ReplyDeleteActually, spoiler photos and video show it is Hook she talks to last, crying, holding his hand to her face, then to her heart, right before she steps back and raises the dagger in the air. There are also spoiler pics of Regina hugging and kissing Robin Hood. I doubt SQ is ever going to be anything more than a friendship. (And I like it as a friendship--it's nice to see them as friends rather than enemies).
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ReplyDeleteI was J-O-K-I-N-G. I wrote at the end of my post "I'm not one of them, a Swan Queen fan. I love their friendship."
I adore your post.
ReplyDeleteOops , meant to write Snow on opening the box as she was actually tempted by darkness and turned away. Anna was never tempted as she tell Rumple. Her tears open the box more so out of true love for her sister than anything else.
ReplyDeleteOops, sorry! That part didn't show up on my screen. I didn't see the small print that says "see more." : )
ReplyDeleteApology accepted. I was too emotional, btw. Best Regards from Poland, Europe!
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