Thank you Oliver for laying it on Malcolm! Don't act like you care Merlyn, you're the reason everything is crappy. I'm terribly excited about next episode but I think I'm skipping the part where Oliver finds out about Thea. I'm done with him suffering. Too painful, ugh.
I had such high expectations for Malcolm this season... I wanted him to be more ruthless. I don't see him saying he loves Thea but deliberately putting her in direct danger as twisty, I see it as bipolar.
AHHHH!!! I want to hug him so badly!!! He looks so broken. Oh my heart. And there's actually water building in my eyes. I have to do the hand fan girl wave, make sure they don't come down.
what's his life, at this point tbh. poor thing doesn't think he deserves any happiness and wants to carry the burden of the world on his shoulders and the world doesn't give him anything but pain. :((
I think this had to happen for Ollie to really react this way to Malcolm too. It's ironic how Ollie's world had to crumble around him for him finally to react accordingly and convey his emotions and feelings.
I never agreed with this whole let's work with Malcolm nonsense, but since they came back from Nanda Parbat in 3x15 I'm flabbergasted with the fact that he's just hanging out with everyone, no big deal. They don't need him anymore, he's a freaking mass murderer, for god sake just get rid of him. And don't tell me they're doing it for Thea 'cause she made it clear that she doesn't want him around, so yeah, imo plot hole.
It's not a plot hole. Ollie has a view that Malcolm could be a part of Thea's life, but I certainly believe after what happened to Thea, Ollie's stance on Malcolm will change.
Hahahahahahahahaha and then when THE SCENE is about to start i'll be going, "I want to loveeee you, feeel you, wrap myself around you." And then iI'll shut up take a breath, and as he goes to reach for her glasses I'll go, "And if you move real slow, I'LL LET IT GOOOOOO......I'M SO EXCITED!!!!"" @#%$#$%$%%$$%!!!!
AHHHHHHHH!!!! OMG what did you do to me!!! I was fine a minute ago!! LOL damn you!
...And I just can't hide it. I'm about to lose control and I think I like it!....
We shouldn't even think about tomorrow. Sweet memories will last a long long time. We'll have a good time baby don't you worry. And if we're still playing around that's just fine... LMAO!!!
It's so hard to not identify with Felicity when she does things like call the Lazarus Pit a magic hot tub. It's the only reaction to have to the silly concept and Ra's continually bathing in it all season.
I don't think Oliver have this view. The fact that he didn't want Thea to kill her own father has nothing to do with him believing that she can profit from a relationship with a psychopath, but with the fact that he doesn't want her to be a (voluntary) killer. So, like I said in the other comment, after the return to Nanda Parbat Malcolm is just hanging out like he isn't responsible for killing +500 people. I understand that he is probably going to have a bigger part in the last episodes and that's why the eps are keeping him around, but the inbetween is very messy and that for me consists in a plot hole.
"We shouldn't even think about tomorrow" Shouldn't??? I've been trying not to think about tomorrow since last week! Where've you been?? You think iI love being in this Arrow coma?? I can't think of anything else. And if I do it doesn't take long for me to revert right back to Arrow. Heavy sigh....just one more day. You better be here tomorrow to help me get through this wait. We have to stick together, to overcome the countdown. Singing "It's the final countdown" LOL
*insert Elvis impression* Why thank you, thank you very much... I'll be here all day but alas I shall miss the live show due to a birthday party....Hmmmm...I wonder if I could "fake" a headache to get out of it? :D
I literally woke up with that song in my head this morning. And I can't remember the last time I've actually heard it until I listened to it on YouTube today :)
Aww happy bday hun. (I would totally fake a headache) Mine's in a couple weeks.
I haven't listened to that song in a long time. Actually i've been very cconcerned with that song they'll use for the scene. I'm dying to know what it is and it better be good!!!
Thanks, now I've gotta sing that damn song next time I go out to karaoke. Smh....But now it's stuck in my head. Guess iI'll be singing for another 53 min. (Til Flash airs)
Eep. I will join the line of people who want to give oli a hug. Like a bear hug from me... God, my heart breaks for him. His voice is just kind of flat, defeated... :,(
It has everything to do with this. Ollie is now only a step-brother to Thea. Malcolm is still her blood and Ollie always believed it'd be best if Malcolm were to be around for Thea, but after what happened to Thea, that's completely off the table as Ollie now views this as Merlyn's fault.
I mean, Ollie himself is a killer, but we all want what's best for his life.
I'm having trouble remembering when Oliver made such statement regarding Thea and Malcolm. As far as I remember he didn't even wanted Thea to use Malcolm's money to buy the loft. So if you don't mind, enlighten me on when he said something that support this theory.
Finally Oliver tells Malcolm that this is all his fault just like everyone else has been saying, Thea would have never been on the leagues radar if wasn't for him and neither would Oliver if Malcolm hadn't drugged his daughter to committing murder than blackmailed Oliver by threatening to serve Thea up to league as Sara's murder if he didn't fight his battle into fighting his because Malcolm's manipulative coward.
Oliver is not Thea's srep brother, he's still her flesh in blood brother becuse the still had the same mother even though biologically that have different fathers so I doubt Oliver wanted to keep Malcolm around because Him and Thea are family anymore, because they are but I agree after what has happen to Thea because of what Malcolm brought into their lives, I doubt if Oliver would want Malcolm to be apart of Thea's life at all anymore.
I never said Ollie thinks he isn't Thea's family, but Malcolm is more of her blood than he will ever be now simply because Robert isn't bother of their father.
Well it is. I disagree on silly. A huge way to undo stuff yeah. Maybe contrived, but it's a concept that has been throughout time. And even affected exploration.
Sounds like Merlyn is against this idea. Thea being brought to life will be an intriguing storyline for next season, especially if Merlyn says is true. Thea is gonna be a crazy person. And Oliver is gonna have to realize he the consequences of his choice. Just speculating
He's been pretty consistent on disliking her relationship with Malcolm. The only reason he has shown any regard is the idea of Thea killing Malcolm or letting him die to him will destroy Thea.
I mean it's not silly because we the audience knows about the LP. But if someone told you about this in real life and said that it really existed, you'd think it's silly too :)
I wouldn't think it's silly. I'd think it's preposterous. But Felicity lives in a world of metahumans, the Flash and mirakuru. This shouldn't be that big of a deal.
You have a point there. I just wonder what is considered 'crazy' in that universe? Maybe bringing someone back to life via magical hot tub was that line between realistic and preposterous? Hmm
ALSO, I'm glad to come to this site and not see incessant Felicity hate like I saw on the FB page (wow, the FB page is ridiculously annoying)... At first I didn't get why she said "and not for Thea" but now I get it. To Felicity her top priority is Oliver, not Thea. She doesn't even know Thea. And the fact that they don't know whether or not it will work makes Felicity even more wary about the deal...
Coming full circle, it makes sense that Felicity thinks it's preposterous and not want Oliver to take the deal because it is kind of out there...
I so can't wait for this episode! Most of all I'm waiting for the Malicity/Ralicity/Olicity interactions! It's gonna be epic
Yeah I've never understood the hate she's got. She's cried because she's an actual person. She made really good points against working with Malcolm (though at the time I believed and still do given what Oliver knew it was necessary), and quite honestly she's as loyal as ever despite Oliver's lapses pin judgement and is now trying her best to help and support the guy and her friends.
I don't know why, but I do know that people pin the reason for her "regression" on her relationship with Oliver :p Oh well, what's important is that the writers find her to be a strong individual with a backbone. That's what's important to me. I mean I disagreed with a few things she's done and said this season, but I think this fandom is just so fickle especially when it comes to female characters which is kind of sad...
What do you make of Felicity's line in this scene? Why do you think Felicity's adamant against Oliver accepting Ra's' offer to save Thea?
lmao simple enough. IDK why I didn't see that in the first place. I feel dumb :p But at least I didn't proceed to attack her without thinking about her perspective :p *glares at FB posters*
Well considering where they end up, I think she will... But will still have her reservations about it especially if Evil!Oliver is going to be a thing in episode 21. I really think that Oliver has an overall plan though and that the whole evil!Oliver thing will be a ruse that only Felicity/Thea know about.
Evil Oliver was SAs exact words :p And ****Spoiler**** apparently he does something that strains his relationship with Diggle and disappoints SA the most, which doesn't bode well for Oliver. I think if he DOES do something borderline unforgivable, the only way the blow would be lessened would be that it was all part of a greater plan.
Right but Oliver will not truly be evil. Being ruthless or cruel, but Oliver in his core could never be evil. He'll feel all the guilt and pain while he does it.
I agree! That's why I think the whole 'evil' thing will be a front, a ruse of some sorts. I don't know what the endgame would be for that plan, but yeah, even I can't see Oliver being ruthless or cruel (especially after all the puppy dog scenes we've had with him lmao)...
I think that this would also cause some trust issues between Oliver and Diggle which will reverberate in season 4.
So how does Fel know it's a Hot tub? Not the neatest writing but I'll let it pass cause it was an on point line. I hoped for a bit more edge from Oliver, especially in that last line.
Regarding this "Ollie always believed it'd be best if Malcolm were to be around for Thea". I don't remember Oliver ever saying this. In fact in The Magician Oliver's exact phrasing to Malcolm about Thea was *growly voice* "Stay away from her".
Finally! I some how like sad, poor Ray. Fits this universe much much better. Hoping for his broken heart to turn him more enjoyable, cause he was way to happy for a guy who lost his wife a couple of months ago.
On the other hand!!!!!!!!! Thank U Ray for keeping this smooth, just what we needed.
hahaha I was complimenting him on his efficiency! Being serious, I liked him a lot on this scene. He's a pretty decent guy. I might even watch his spin off.
okay, now I feel sorry for Ray. I didn't before and obviously him and Felicity was doomed to begin with, but still. He's a good man (although I always think of the bad guy in Chuck when I see him).
I kinda feel bad for Ray!! :-( I was never a fan of Raylicity but still... It´s a little sad!! His poor soul!!! ............. Ok enough crying!!! YAY!!!!! THEY BROKE UP!!!! That totally made my day!!! xD
I would not say blood is the greatest determination of family really, in fact I'd say it does not really mean anything other than genetics. Family normally stab you in the back easier than enemies most times. Malcolm as proved that when he put a noose around Thea's neck. They may have written that he cares for Thea, but it's not believable on the show.
Bringing up how Malcolm is Thea's father is basically saying how Malcolm needs to be in Thea's life. That's one of the reasons why Ollie didn't want the League to take Malcolm way back in "The Magician".
I love how strong you are kudos! Me, I'm going bat crazy waiting for the next episode, and to make matters worse, I'll have to wait for tomorrow night before I can see it because of the 6 hour time difference and me having to work all day tomorrow grrrr..
Oliver didn't even know Malcolm was in contact with Thea in The Magician! And BTW, in The Magician no one knew Malcolm indirectly killed Sara. They thought he was innocent back then. The period I'm mentioning (between 3x15 and 3x20) they already know! That difference is fundamental.
Well a child dying is not an excuse for joining LoA Maseo. As Diggle said that is a cowardly way to deal with grief. Killing other people. So Akio is dead. I knew it but I am still sad about it. Diggle you are awesome.
Still, Oliver didn't know about Malcolm and Thea being in touch. He knew he was in SC, that's it. When Oliver confronts Thea as the Arrow in 3x09 is to try and find out if she came back from Corto Maltese with Malcolm. She still lies to Oliver about it and later when he confronts her again, as himself, she tells him that she doesn't want to choose between Oliver and Malcolm. Then he says that he won't make her choose. He never said "Hey Thea, you should totally hang out with Malcolm because he's your father". Quite the contrary, he just didn't want to put her in a bad position. But, like I said in the previous comment, this is irrelevant, because after that a lot happened and in the period I'm referring to as having a plot hole everyone already knew everything, and even if Oliver once thought that it would be good for Thea to have a relationship with Malcolm (which he didn't) now he probably don't think so and still Malcolm is around.
Agreed. Diggle's got a great way of cutting to the root of people's motivations, and he's so spot on with this one. The whole Arrow team, and most of the Flash team for that matter, have dealt with terrible loss and it has given them their own set of issues, but they've channeled it into something positive. Even Lance, as far off the reservation as he's gone, is still supposedly trying to protect his city from what he convinced himself is a threat, and he lost his child twice. With LoA, it's just a place to run away and take out your problems on others. Violently. They can say what they like, but we haven't seen one who does it because of some deep seated need to do good. There's just grief (Malcolm and Maseo) and fear (Sara), and that doesn't make them strong. Which makes what is about to happen to Oliver even sadder.
Heh. The crappy cops and the League training is good and all but it doesn't account for the fact the man who was the subject of Starling's most high-profile criminal case nonchalantly walks in and out of that apartment past neighbors who are no doubt nosy after Thea & Oliver Queen's apartment had just been raided by the cops not more than a day after a city-wide manhunt for Oliver and not a single person in that apartment building goes "hey, that's Malcolm f*cking Merlyn!"
John Diggle is definitely one of my favorite characters of any show. He's so real and he doesn't mind putting anyone in their place. My poor Maseo. I hope his story doesn't end tonight.
Wow! That Digg/Maseo scene was impressive! We now know Akio dies, guess that's the story Oliver tells Felicity on the jet. That's the way they will reveal it.
This episode seems to have lots of personal scenes and less action. I'm gonna love this episode so much. We get great stunts every other week, so it's nice for once having a big emotional episode to break the ice.
It's a different version of Oliver's journey. Oliver could easily have become Malcolm, Maseo or Ra's. He has lost enough people to run away from facing grief. Instead even though he started wrong he is doing his best to put away bad people. He struggled to keep his humanity intact. Infact it is an ongoing struggle for him. Now he is forced into a life he worked so hard not to be.
Diggle is the best human being among all of the characters on all of the shows I watch. I adore him. I am so glad next season we will get more Diggle.
I love emotional episodes on Arrow. This season Sara and Offer was really good episodes which concentrated on characters. I am sure I will love this one too.
LOL. Ray dating Sara will be almost like Ray dating Oliver or Felicity dating Oliver. Too much similarity between both pairings. Also I want Sara to date a woman. I specifically want them to explore her relationship[ with Nyssa that is if it is our Sara that comes back.
Not really. She left Nyssa because she couldn't be a part of the LoA and the killing. But at the end of season 2 when she left with Nyssa it was implied they resumed their relationship. I got the same vibe from Arrow 2.5 comics and Nyssa scenes after Sara's death.
I don't. I love all of the character driven episodes. They are usually slow and give reprieve to the fast pace Arrow has. Those are my favorites. Only one I disliked was Ep 7 - Take back your Bow - The Cupid episode. The execution and writing of that episode was really bad.
Would they show us the Akio's death or will it just be exposition? In the 100 the refused to show the dead bodies of children in Mt Weather. I am not sure CW will show a child dying on screen.
Smh. That's not what I was saying at all. I said Felicity should've been the one to do it. As in I wanted her to do it. NOT Ray. I'm 100% clear on what's going on. There's no question on my part. = /
He didn't need to know about Malcolm and Thea being in touch because Malcolm said he came back to Starling to watch over Thea, and Ollie accepted that to the point where that was his point of Nyssa not going after Merlyn.
A child dying of an illness is not a kill/murder. But again they'd (movie wise) it'd show the body only not the act. Don't bother trying to think of it, b/c you won't find it. They always go around it when it's a child. Ex: You'll see a child being targeted by a gun but never shot. You'll see a car coming to crash into another car with a kid in it, but you won't see the kid get hit. they'll show the parent or w/e adult's reaction, probably show a hand or something of the kid. Same if a kid were to cross the street. You'll see the car coming towards the kid for suspense only. A zombie can attack a child, but you won't see it. Next shot you see kid turns/turned into zombie. Etc. etc. Stuff like that.
Ha! I never noticed that with all the shows and movies I watch. Thanks for explaining. Now I am wondering has a kid dying been shown in Indian movies? I remember a movie in my native language where they showed a kid drowning.
So would they show the dead body of a child. I have seen kids bodies on autopsy table on some shows I guess.
Yeah if the child is like ten and under (or maybe 13/12 and under) you won't see it. You'll get a glimpse of the body, (if not the whole body Which is rare) and that's it. Autopsy would pass b/c it's just an autopsy. Not a violent act. As for Indian films, not as far as I know. It's the same thing, if i can recall correctly (with movies i've seen in the past). But I'm not too sure as I don't watch a lot of Indian fiIms. But with "drowning scenarios" they go around that too. The kid will be in the water, probably calling for help, then the screen turns to the parent or guardian and they're all, "Where's Billy? BILLY???" Then someone will start screaming saying a kid went under and everyone races to get the kid. Next thing you'll see, is the body being carried. Or they'll show the kid going under (for suspense/dramatic effect) but you won't see him/her suffocate.
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\nope. Nope. Not gonna watch. I can do it!
ReplyDeleteThank you Oliver for laying it on Malcolm! Don't act like you care Merlyn, you're the reason everything is crappy.
ReplyDeleteI'm terribly excited about next episode but I think I'm skipping the part where Oliver finds out about Thea. I'm done with him suffering. Too painful, ugh.
Well, he cares BUT it's his fault. Twisty-Malcolm is back
ReplyDeleteOliver don't have a choice.....either let Thea die or save her....
ReplyDeleteMy baby goes through nothing but suffering, as if he hasn't suffered already!
ReplyDelete20 Episodes into the season and yet no one outside Oliver's inner circle has found out Malcolm is still alive.
ReplyDeleteSCPD is only capable of finding good guys not bad guys
ReplyDeleteI'm so ready for this.
ReplyDeleteanother week with possible no producer preview again what with that?
ReplyDeleteI had such high expectations for Malcolm this season... I wanted him to be more ruthless. I don't see him saying he loves Thea but deliberately putting her in direct danger as twisty, I see it as bipolar.
ReplyDeleteHow much can he take it!? Poor baby.
ReplyDeleteHe must stay in the loft A LOT. lol
ReplyDeleteAHHHH!!! I want to hug him so badly!!! He looks so broken. Oh my heart. And there's actually water building in my eyes. I have to do the hand fan girl wave, make sure they don't come down.
ReplyDeleteAnd finally!! I got my fix.
Oh Oliver. At last blame at the feet of the person who is responsible for this whole mess.
ReplyDeletewhat's his life, at this point tbh. poor thing doesn't think he deserves any happiness and wants to carry the burden of the world on his shoulders and the world doesn't give him anything but pain. :((
ReplyDeleteLet's hope the season ends at a good note, he deserves a happy story =)
ReplyDeleteand someone whose name literally means happiness.
ReplyDeletepreach!
ReplyDeleteI am so excited for this episode that I can't stop humming I'm so Excited by The Pointer Sisters :D
ReplyDeleteThis minute and eighteen second clip just made me sob. I'm going to be a complete wreck during tomorrow's episode.
ReplyDeleteI do hope Malcolm said "over a 100 years" because he doesn't know the truth, otherwise give me a f*cking break.
ReplyDeleteI think this had to happen for Ollie to really react this way to Malcolm too. It's ironic how Ollie's world had to crumble around him for him finally to react accordingly and convey his emotions and feelings.
ReplyDeleteI never agreed with this whole let's work with Malcolm nonsense, but since they came back from Nanda Parbat in 3x15 I'm flabbergasted with the fact that he's just hanging out with everyone, no big deal. They don't need him anymore, he's a freaking mass murderer, for god sake just get rid of him. And don't tell me they're doing it for Thea 'cause she made it clear that she doesn't want him around, so yeah, imo plot hole.
ReplyDeletegreat scene.
ReplyDeleteover 100 years is not very specific, but correct. In 3x15 Ra's told a little story about 1854, so he's definitely more than 170 years old.
ReplyDeleteAww. You're adorable. Haha = )
ReplyDeleteTommorw I will be singing... "Tonight's the night they're goinna make it happen. Tonight they'll put all other things aside."
ReplyDeleteCompletely underused Malcolm this season. He should have been the mini big bad.
ReplyDeleteIt's not a plot hole. Ollie has a view that Malcolm could be a part of Thea's life, but I certainly believe after what happened to Thea, Ollie's stance on Malcolm will change.
ReplyDeleteHahahahahahahahaha and then when THE SCENE is about to start i'll be going, "I want to loveeee you, feeel you, wrap myself around you." And then iI'll shut up take a breath, and as he goes to reach for her glasses I'll go, "And if you move real slow, I'LL LET IT GOOOOOO......I'M SO EXCITED!!!!"" @#%$#$%$%%$$%!!!!
ReplyDeleteAHHHHHHHH!!!! OMG what did you do to me!!! I was fine a minute ago!! LOL damn you!
Poor Oliver! I just want to give him a huge hug.
ReplyDeleteLOL! :)
ReplyDelete...And I just can't hide it. I'm about to lose control and I think I like it!....
ReplyDeleteWe shouldn't even think about tomorrow. Sweet memories will last a long long time. We'll have a good time baby don't you worry. And if we're still playing around that's just fine... LMAO!!!
I'malso taking into account the comics, but yeah get, whatever cannon they have going, consistent.
ReplyDeleteIt's so hard to not identify with Felicity when she does things like call the Lazarus Pit a magic hot tub. It's the only reaction to have to the silly concept and Ra's continually bathing in it all season.
ReplyDeleteI don't think Oliver have this view. The fact that he didn't want Thea to kill her own father has nothing to do with him believing that she can profit from a relationship with a psychopath, but with the fact that he doesn't want her to be a (voluntary) killer. So, like I said in the other comment, after the return to Nanda Parbat Malcolm is just hanging out like he isn't responsible for killing +500 people. I understand that he is probably going to have a bigger part in the last episodes and that's why the eps are keeping him around, but the inbetween is very messy and that for me consists in a plot hole.
ReplyDelete"We shouldn't even think about tomorrow" Shouldn't??? I've been trying not to think about tomorrow since last week! Where've you been?? You think iI love being in this Arrow coma?? I can't think of anything else. And if I do it doesn't take long for me to revert right back to Arrow. Heavy sigh....just one more day. You better be here tomorrow to help me get through this wait. We have to stick together, to overcome the countdown. Singing "It's the final countdown" LOL
ReplyDeleteHahahaha, oops! Did I fangirl out loud?? My bad. (Gives innocent blush face, bats eyelashes)
ReplyDelete*insert Elvis impression* Why thank you, thank you very much... I'll be here all day but alas I shall miss the live show due to a birthday party....Hmmmm...I wonder if I could "fake" a headache to get out of it? :D
ReplyDeleteI literally woke up with that song in my head this morning. And I can't remember the last time I've actually heard it until I listened to it on YouTube today :)
Aww happy bday hun. (I would totally fake a headache) Mine's in a couple weeks.
ReplyDeleteI haven't listened to that song in a long time. Actually i've been very cconcerned with that song they'll use for the scene. I'm dying to know what it is and it better be good!!!
Thanks, now I've gotta sing that damn song next time I go out to karaoke. Smh....But now it's stuck in my head. Guess iI'll be singing for another 53 min. (Til Flash airs)
Eep. I will join the line of people who want to give oli a hug. Like a bear hug from me... God, my heart breaks for him. His voice is just kind of flat, defeated... :,(
ReplyDeleteThanks for posting, it helped keep strong.
ReplyDeleteI'm doing my best. It helps that I don't want to see Oliver in pain.
ReplyDeleteLOL, that's okay. Go right ahead. I might be doing the same thing tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteBtw, did you check out the Newsreel thread?
It has everything to do with this. Ollie is now only a step-brother to Thea. Malcolm is still her blood and Ollie always believed it'd be best if Malcolm were to be around for Thea, but after what happened to Thea, that's completely off the table as Ollie now views this as Merlyn's fault.
ReplyDeleteI mean, Ollie himself is a killer, but we all want what's best for his life.
I'm having trouble remembering when Oliver made such statement regarding Thea and Malcolm. As far as I remember he didn't even wanted Thea to use Malcolm's money to buy the loft. So if you don't mind, enlighten me on when he said something that support this theory.
ReplyDeleteFinally Oliver tells Malcolm that this is all his fault just like everyone else has been saying, Thea would have never been on the leagues radar if wasn't for him and neither would Oliver if Malcolm hadn't drugged his daughter to committing murder than blackmailed Oliver by threatening to serve Thea up to league as Sara's murder if he didn't fight his battle into fighting his because Malcolm's manipulative coward.
ReplyDeleteOliver is not Thea's srep brother, he's still her flesh in blood brother becuse the still had the same mother even though biologically that have different fathers so I doubt Oliver wanted to keep Malcolm around because Him and Thea are family anymore, because they are but I agree after what has happen to Thea because of what Malcolm brought into their lives, I doubt if Oliver would want Malcolm to be apart of Thea's life at all anymore.
ReplyDeleteYes ma'am I did! I loved it. I laughed hysterically. That was really funny.
ReplyDeleteI never said Ollie thinks he isn't Thea's family, but Malcolm is more of her blood than he will ever be now simply because Robert isn't bother of their father.
ReplyDeleteRegarding what? Calling Malcolm Thea's father? "The Magician", "Nanda Parbat", etc.
ReplyDeleteWell it is. I disagree on silly. A huge way to undo stuff yeah. Maybe contrived, but it's a concept that has been throughout time. And even affected exploration.
ReplyDeleteSounds like Merlyn is against this idea. Thea being brought to life will be an intriguing storyline for next season, especially if Merlyn says is true. Thea is gonna be a crazy person. And Oliver is gonna have to realize he the consequences of his choice. Just speculating
ReplyDeleteMalcolm called it the Lazarus pit. Awesome,
ReplyDeleteWell have you seen the cops? They suck. Plus League training and shit like that.
ReplyDeleteHe's been pretty consistent on disliking her relationship with Malcolm. The only reason he has shown any regard is the idea of Thea killing Malcolm or letting him die to him will destroy Thea.
ReplyDeleteOh, he loves her. He just loves himself a lot more :D
ReplyDeleteI mean it's not silly because we the audience knows about the LP. But if someone told you about this in real life and said that it really existed, you'd think it's silly too :)
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't think it's silly. I'd think it's preposterous. But Felicity lives in a world of metahumans, the Flash and mirakuru. This shouldn't be that big of a deal.
ReplyDeleteYou have a point there. I just wonder what is considered 'crazy' in that universe? Maybe bringing someone back to life via magical hot tub was that line between realistic and preposterous? Hmm
ReplyDeleteALSO, I'm glad to come to this site and not see incessant Felicity hate like I saw on the FB page (wow, the FB page is ridiculously annoying)... At first I didn't get why she said "and not for Thea" but now I get it. To Felicity her top priority is Oliver, not Thea. She doesn't even know Thea. And the fact that they don't know whether or not it will work makes Felicity even more wary about the deal...
Coming full circle, it makes sense that Felicity thinks it's preposterous and not want Oliver to take the deal because it is kind of out there...
I so can't wait for this episode! Most of all I'm waiting for the Malicity/Ralicity/Olicity interactions! It's gonna be epic
Yeah I've never understood the hate she's got. She's cried because she's an actual person. She made really good points against working with Malcolm (though at the time I believed and still do given what Oliver knew it was necessary), and quite honestly she's as loyal as ever despite Oliver's lapses pin judgement and is now trying her best to help and support the guy and her friends.
ReplyDeleteI don't know why, but I do know that people pin the reason for her "regression" on her relationship with Oliver :p Oh well, what's important is that the writers find her to be a strong individual with a backbone. That's what's important to me. I mean I disagreed with a few things she's done and said this season, but I think this fandom is just so fickle especially when it comes to female characters which is kind of sad...
ReplyDeleteWhat do you make of Felicity's line in this scene? Why do you think Felicity's adamant against Oliver accepting Ra's' offer to save Thea?
Honestly, because Ra's is Ra's al Ghul. Felicity knows it's a deal with the devil, that might not even work out.
ReplyDeletelmao simple enough. IDK why I didn't see that in the first place. I feel dumb :p But at least I didn't proceed to attack her without thinking about her perspective :p *glares at FB posters*
ReplyDeleteI hope Felicity supports him in the end (it appears she will) but yeah not a good idea to get in bed with a guy like Ra's al Ghul.
ReplyDeleteMan he really needs a hug.
ReplyDeleteWell considering where they end up, I think she will... But will still have her reservations about it especially if Evil!Oliver is going to be a thing in episode 21. I really think that Oliver has an overall plan though and that the whole evil!Oliver thing will be a ruse that only Felicity/Thea know about.
ReplyDeleteHe won't be evil. More ruthless maybe, but never evil. Oliver just doesn't have it.
ReplyDeleteEvil Oliver was SAs exact words :p And ****Spoiler**** apparently he does something that strains his relationship with Diggle and disappoints SA the most, which doesn't bode well for Oliver. I think if he DOES do something borderline unforgivable, the only way the blow would be lessened would be that it was all part of a greater plan.
ReplyDeleteRight but Oliver will not truly be evil. Being ruthless or cruel, but Oliver in his core could never be evil. He'll feel all the guilt and pain while he does it.
ReplyDeleteI agree! That's why I think the whole 'evil' thing will be a front, a ruse of some sorts. I don't know what the endgame would be for that plan, but yeah, even I can't see Oliver being ruthless or cruel (especially after all the puppy dog scenes we've had with him lmao)...
ReplyDeleteI think that this would also cause some trust issues between Oliver and Diggle which will reverberate in season 4.
So how does Fel know it's a Hot tub? Not the neatest writing but I'll let it pass cause it was an on point line.
ReplyDeleteI hoped for a bit more edge from Oliver, especially in that last line.
Regarding this "Ollie always believed it'd be best if Malcolm were to be around for Thea". I don't remember Oliver ever saying this. In fact in The Magician Oliver's exact phrasing to Malcolm about Thea was *growly voice* "Stay away from her".
ReplyDeleteIt's amazing. One of the greatest comic book series to date. It's like a freaking movie!
ReplyDeleteOh Ray. Thank you for being so efficiently considerate and breaking up so other things can happen WINK WINK.
ReplyDeleteFinally! I some how like sad, poor Ray. Fits this universe much much better. Hoping for his broken heart to turn him more enjoyable, cause he was way to happy for a guy who lost his wife a couple of months ago.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand!!!!!!!!! Thank U Ray for keeping this smooth, just what we needed.
That Ray, Felicity scene. Woah!!! I Felt it. Sorry Ray.
ReplyDeleteOh Ray!! BB come here. Have a hug. It was bound to happen. Here is wishing you would get a love interest all of your own in your spin off.
ReplyDeleteDudee!!!! Show some respect But wink along WINK WINK..
ReplyDeletehahaha I was complimenting him on his efficiency!
ReplyDeleteBeing serious, I liked him a lot on this scene. He's a pretty decent guy. I might even watch his spin off.
okay, now I feel sorry for Ray. I didn't before and obviously him and Felicity was doomed to begin with, but still. He's a good man (although I always think of the bad guy in Chuck when I see him).
ReplyDeleteSee that's the spirit. He is a nice guy.
ReplyDeleteAhh got to feel bad for Ray!!!
ReplyDeleteYes, it was. I laughed for about 5 minutes.
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ReplyDeleteI kinda feel bad for Ray!! :-(
ReplyDeleteI was never a fan of Raylicity but still... It´s a little sad!! His poor soul!!!
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Ok enough crying!!! YAY!!!!! THEY BROKE UP!!!! That totally made my day!!! xD
I would not say blood is the greatest determination of family really, in fact I'd say it does not really mean anything other than genetics. Family normally stab you in the back easier than enemies most times. Malcolm as proved that when he put a noose around Thea's neck. They may have written that he cares for Thea, but it's not believable on the show.
ReplyDeleteYeh, the cops may as well be a major plot hole for the show.
ReplyDeleteI read the first two sentences in your comment in Bobby Singer's voice, lol.
ReplyDeleteBringing up how Malcolm is Thea's father is basically saying how Malcolm needs to be in Thea's life. That's one of the reasons why Ollie didn't want the League to take Malcolm way back in "The Magician".
ReplyDeleteDid people just not watch "The Magician"? At the end, Ollie even brought up how Malcolm needs to stay in Starling for Thea.
ReplyDeleteI love how strong you are kudos! Me, I'm going bat crazy waiting for the next episode, and to make matters worse, I'll have to wait for tomorrow night before I can see it because of the 6 hour time difference and me having to work all day tomorrow grrrr..
ReplyDeleteThank you :D
ReplyDeleteI stay up till 2 am to watch it because waiting till the next day is just crazy talk lol
Ha ha don't think I haven't considered it ;o)
ReplyDeleteStupid real life and responsibilities lol
ReplyDeleteOliver didn't even know Malcolm was in contact with Thea in The Magician!
ReplyDeleteAnd BTW, in The Magician no one knew Malcolm indirectly killed Sara. They thought he was innocent back then. The period I'm mentioning (between 3x15 and 3x20) they already know! That difference is fundamental.
Malcolm and Nyssa had a conversation about how Malcolm is back in Starling City to protect her in the episode.
ReplyDeleteWell a child dying is not an excuse for joining LoA Maseo. As Diggle said that is a cowardly way to deal with grief. Killing other people. So Akio is dead. I knew it but I am still sad about it. Diggle you are awesome.
ReplyDeleteStill, Oliver didn't know about Malcolm and Thea being in touch. He knew he was in SC, that's it. When Oliver confronts Thea as the Arrow in 3x09 is to try and find out if she came back from Corto Maltese with Malcolm. She still lies to Oliver about it and later when he confronts her again, as himself, she tells him that she doesn't want to choose between Oliver and Malcolm. Then he says that he won't make her choose. He never said "Hey Thea, you should totally hang out with Malcolm because he's your father". Quite the contrary, he just didn't want to put her in a bad position.
ReplyDeleteBut, like I said in the previous comment, this is irrelevant, because after that a lot happened and in the period I'm referring to as having a plot hole everyone already knew everything, and even if Oliver once thought that it would be good for Thea to have a relationship with Malcolm (which he didn't) now he probably don't think so and still Malcolm is around.
Agreed. Diggle's got a great way of cutting to the root of people's motivations, and he's so spot on with this one. The whole Arrow team, and most of the Flash team for that matter, have dealt with terrible loss and it has given them their own set of issues, but they've channeled it into something positive. Even Lance, as far off the reservation as he's gone, is still supposedly trying to protect his city from what he convinced himself is a threat, and he lost his child twice. With LoA, it's just a place to run away and take out your problems on others. Violently. They can say what they like, but we haven't seen one who does it because of some deep seated need to do good. There's just grief (Malcolm and Maseo) and fear (Sara), and that doesn't make them strong. Which makes what is about to happen to Oliver even sadder.
ReplyDeleteOMG they finally promoting Arrow like it isnt a step-child.
ReplyDeleteYikes. Maseo is really making The League sound like a cult in that clip.
ReplyDeleteOh Diggle's face thinking about little Sara... oh, it's just heartbreaking how in a second he would take back every word he just said to Maseo.
ReplyDeleteHeh. The crappy cops and the League training is good and all but it doesn't account for the fact the man who was the subject of Starling's most high-profile criminal case nonchalantly walks in and out of that apartment past neighbors who are no doubt nosy after Thea & Oliver Queen's apartment had just been raided by the cops not more than a day after a city-wide manhunt for Oliver and not a single person in that apartment building goes "hey, that's Malcolm f*cking Merlyn!"
ReplyDeleteJohn Diggle is definitely one of my favorite characters of any show. He's so real and he doesn't mind putting anyone in their place. My poor Maseo. I hope his story doesn't end tonight.
ReplyDeleteI feel bad for the guy. The second that they started dating their relationship was doomed.
ReplyDeleteWhich he then reversed on and stayed that way.
ReplyDeleteNice range of sneek peaks showcasing Diggle, Felicity and Oliver.
ReplyDeleteWow! That Digg/Maseo scene was impressive! We now know Akio dies, guess that's the story Oliver tells Felicity on the jet. That's the way they will reveal it.
ReplyDeleteThis episode seems to have lots of personal scenes and less action. I'm gonna love this episode so much. We get great stunts every other week, so it's nice for once having a big emotional episode to break the ice.
It's a different version of Oliver's journey. Oliver could easily have become Malcolm, Maseo or Ra's. He has lost enough people to run away from facing grief. Instead even though he started wrong he is doing his best to put away bad people. He struggled to keep his humanity intact. Infact it is an ongoing struggle for him. Now he is forced into a life he worked so hard not to be.
ReplyDeleteDiggle is the best human being among all of the characters on all of the shows I watch. I adore him. I am so glad next season we will get more Diggle.
I love emotional episodes on Arrow. This season Sara and Offer was really good episodes which concentrated on characters. I am sure I will love this one too.
ReplyDeleteA serious question: How many comments do you think the "what did you think of..." thread will have tonight?
ReplyDelete2.
ReplyDeleteOne of a random hater, one of mac and none of us because we will be dead...
300-400.
ReplyDeleteSounds about right lol
ReplyDeleteI'm thinking even more.
ReplyDeleteHe was always far more invested in Felicity than she was. Poor thing.
ReplyDeletemessed up, no one deserves that
ReplyDeletemaybe it IS Sara
ReplyDeleteLOL. Ray dating Sara will be almost like Ray dating Oliver or Felicity dating Oliver. Too much similarity between both pairings. Also I want Sara to date a woman. I specifically want them to explore her relationship[ with Nyssa that is if it is our Sara that comes back.
ReplyDeleteonly John Diggle has the guts to call The League of Assassins cowards, SON OF A BITCH!!!!! Akio really IS dead, as long as they don't show it
ReplyDeleteSara fell out of love with Nyssa though
ReplyDeleteso does my sister, normally i would but i just LOVE Brandon Routh
ReplyDeleteno i think RAY is the one breaking up with her, not Felicity
ReplyDeletei never thought Arrow would kill a child
ReplyDeleteNot really. She left Nyssa because she couldn't be a part of the LoA and the killing. But at the end of season 2 when she left with Nyssa it was implied they resumed their relationship. I got the same vibe from Arrow 2.5 comics and Nyssa scenes after Sara's death.
ReplyDeleteisn't it sort of a cult, i mean the only way to leave the League is to die
ReplyDeleteoh huh
ReplyDeletebut i thought people hated character driven episodes? those are actually my favorites
ReplyDeleteI don't. I love all of the character driven episodes. They are usually slow and give reprieve to the fast pace Arrow has. Those are my favorites. Only one I disliked was Ep 7 - Take back your Bow - The Cupid episode. The execution and writing of that episode was really bad.
ReplyDeleteWould they show us the Akio's death or will it just be exposition? In the 100 the refused to show the dead bodies of children in Mt Weather. I am not sure CW will show a child dying on screen.
ReplyDeleteThat's right Diggle you tell him!! And I knew it!!
ReplyDelete500!! Lol
ReplyDeleteLOL!!
ReplyDeleteSmh. That's not what I was saying at all. I said Felicity should've been the one to do it. As in I wanted her to do it. NOT Ray. I'm 100% clear on what's going on. There's no question on my part. = /
ReplyDeleteIt's the same thing with gangs. That's basically what The League of Assassins is. It's somewhere between a cult and a gang.
ReplyDeleteNo they won't show it.
ReplyDeleteCan't wait ! Twitter and Tumblr are going to crash tonight for sure LOL !
ReplyDeleteHa ! Some of us might turn into zombies after waiting half of the night for the episode LOL !
ReplyDeleteHe might have reverse that train of thought, but Malcolm is still around...perhaps tonight's episode Ollie will order Malcolm to leave Starling.
ReplyDeleteHe didn't need to know about Malcolm and Thea being in touch because Malcolm said he came back to Starling to watch over Thea, and Ollie accepted that to the point where that was his point of Nyssa not going after Merlyn.
ReplyDeleteSo not even a child dying from illness. Now I have to think if I have even seen a scene like that.
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ReplyDeleteA child dying of an illness is not a kill/murder. But again they'd (movie wise) it'd show the body only not the act. Don't bother trying to think of it, b/c you won't find it. They always go around it when it's a child. Ex: You'll see a child being targeted by a gun but never shot. You'll see a car coming to crash into another car with a kid in it, but you won't see the kid get hit. they'll show the parent or w/e adult's reaction, probably show a hand or something of the kid. Same if a kid were to cross the street. You'll see the car coming towards the kid for suspense only. A zombie can attack a child, but you won't see it. Next shot you see kid turns/turned into zombie. Etc. etc. Stuff like that.
ReplyDeleteHa! I never noticed that with all the shows and movies I watch. Thanks for explaining. Now I am wondering has a kid dying been shown in Indian movies? I remember a movie in my native language where they showed a kid drowning.
ReplyDeleteSo would they show the dead body of a child. I have seen kids bodies on autopsy table on some shows I guess.
Yeah if the child is like ten and under (or maybe 13/12 and under) you won't see it. You'll get a glimpse of the body, (if not the whole body Which is rare) and that's it. Autopsy would pass b/c it's just an autopsy. Not a violent act. As for Indian films, not as far as I know. It's the same thing, if i can recall correctly (with movies i've seen in the past). But I'm not too sure as I don't watch a lot of Indian fiIms. But with "drowning scenarios" they go around that too. The kid will be in the water, probably calling for help, then the screen turns to the parent or guardian and they're all, "Where's Billy? BILLY???" Then someone will start screaming saying a kid went under and everyone races to get the kid. Next thing you'll see, is the body being carried. Or they'll show the kid going under (for suspense/dramatic effect) but you won't see him/her suffocate.
ReplyDeleteHope that helped. And you're welcome. = )