Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: The Frenemy of My Enemy (4/21)
GRANT WARD MAY BE COULSON’S LAST HOPE, ON “MARVEL’S AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D.” ON ABC
“The Frenemy of My Enemy” – A dangerous new alliance is formed as Coulson and Hunter turn to the last person anyone would expect – Grant Ward! As the war between S.H.I.E.L.D. factions continues, Skye and Lincoln will find themselves drawn into this conflict, on “Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.,” TUESDAY, APRIL 21 (9:00-10:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.
“Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” stars Clark Gregg as Agent Phil Coulson, Ming-Na Wen as Agent Melinda May, Brett Dalton as Grant Ward, Chloe Bennet as Skye, Iain De Caestecker as Agent Leo Fitz, Elizabeth Henstridge as Agent Jemma Simmons, Nick Blood as Lance Hunter, and Adrianne Palicki as Bobbi Morse.
Guest starring are Henry Simmons as Alphonso “Mack” Mackenzie, Henry Goodman as Dr. List, Kyle MacLachlan as Cal, Jamie Harris as Gordon, Maya Stojan as Kara, Dichen Lachman as Jiaying, Luke Mitchell as Lincoln Campbell, Kris Lemche as Ethan, Staci Roberts as Paula, and Trenton Rostedt as Hoodie Guy.
”The Frenemy of My Enemy” was written by Monica Owusu-Breen and directed by Karen Gaviola.
“Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” is broadcast in 720 Progressive (720P), ABC’s selected HDTV format with a 5.1 channel surround sound. This program carries a TV-PG,L,V parental guideline.
GRANT WARD MAY BE COULSON’S LAST HOPE, ON “MARVEL’S AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D.” ON ABC
“The Frenemy of My Enemy” – A dangerous new alliance is formed as Coulson and Hunter turn to the last person anyone would expect – Grant Ward! As the war between S.H.I.E.L.D. factions continues, Skye and Lincoln will find themselves drawn into this conflict, on “Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.,” TUESDAY, APRIL 21 (9:00-10:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.
“Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” stars Clark Gregg as Agent Phil Coulson, Ming-Na Wen as Agent Melinda May, Brett Dalton as Grant Ward, Chloe Bennet as Skye, Iain De Caestecker as Agent Leo Fitz, Elizabeth Henstridge as Agent Jemma Simmons, Nick Blood as Lance Hunter, and Adrianne Palicki as Bobbi Morse.
Guest starring are Henry Simmons as Alphonso “Mack” Mackenzie, Henry Goodman as Dr. List, Kyle MacLachlan as Cal, Jamie Harris as Gordon, Maya Stojan as Kara, Dichen Lachman as Jiaying, Luke Mitchell as Lincoln Campbell, Kris Lemche as Ethan, Staci Roberts as Paula, and Trenton Rostedt as Hoodie Guy.
”The Frenemy of My Enemy” was written by Monica Owusu-Breen and directed by Karen Gaviola.
“Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” is broadcast in 720 Progressive (720P), ABC’s selected HDTV format with a 5.1 channel surround sound. This program carries a TV-PG,L,V parental guideline.
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I knew it! SEETHE HATERS. SEETHE.
ReplyDeletethese might be the best news i've heard all week
ReplyDeleteSkye and Lincoln getting involved sounds fun. And Coulson and Hunter still working together. But with Ward? Still hoping it's a play by Coulson but doesn't seem likely. Not sure about this.
ReplyDeleteDichen Lachman in the guest cast in three episodes in a row? Skye's mother is totally alive, mark my words!
ReplyDeleteI knew it lmao and Skye's mom is definitely alive that crazy theory wasn't that crazy.
ReplyDeleteI need to write my speculation fic about this, tbh, preferably before tomorrow's episode.
ReplyDeletethis SHIELD and 'real' SHIELD conflict is boring as hell.. sadly
ReplyDeleteIf it isn't a play by Coulson I'm going to be disappointed in the writers to be honest.
ReplyDeleteAnd notice, they are seaking for Ward, not that he's offering help! I really wanna see how they will make this happen!
ReplyDeleteAs long as Grant doesn't try to contact/see Skye then I'm all for Coulson and Lance teaming up with him. Please don't screw this up writers. Please. And I love the theory that Jiaying is still alive! It's a possibility and that would be all kinds of awesome as I love her character so much.
ReplyDeleteWHAT!
ReplyDeleteIt's not hard, to be honest. She lived through 1944 to 1989 without aging a single day and experiments on her body managed to rejuvenate Whitehall, there's only one power in the comics that works like that, it's called Healing Factor and it's what made Wolverine virtually immortal with the appearance of a 40-50 years old when he's really much older than that.
ReplyDeleteIf it's the vehicle to bring back Ward then yeah my level of interest in it is going to drop mssively.
ReplyDeleteI knew this would happen!
ReplyDeleteIt would be really bad if they went for flashback's for three full episodes. Though if she is that's going to change Skye's character completely (though why have Lincoln as her metor instead of her then?
ReplyDeleteOf course they were gonna do that. SOOOOOO predictable.
ReplyDeleteShe has to be the one leading the inhumans. There are no new cast members to the show adn we know Gordon isn't the lead. Who else could it be? It's good if she still alive but this will raise so many more questions. Like why she never look for Skye or wait it out to get her to the inhumans.
ReplyDeletethe interesting thing is seeing how both skye and lincoln are brought into this war also
ReplyDeleteSeems like Ward won't be contacting Skye anytime soon, given his remarks recently. I'm not sure it seems ok from a writing standpoint having Ward team up with Coulson in anyway yet. But so long as he never re-joins the team and ends up an anti-hero Id go with it.
ReplyDeleteSounds like a title more suitable for Glee.
ReplyDeleteGood job, AoS :/
but to be honest its not shocking really cause they were trying to shoot her at the end of episode 15
ReplyDeleteNo but I thought they stated a while back when they announced Lincoln's character that he was the lead of this Inhuman faction.
ReplyDeleteI'm so glad to see Maya Stojan listed here.
ReplyDeleteInteresting. I really want Skye's mom to be alive. I'm starting to think it really is possible.
ReplyDeleteI don't remember that. Lincoln character description was very simple. Not sure why he would lead instead of Gordon. I guess we will have to wait and see but her mom being in 3 episode in a row is a biggest indication she might not be really dead.
ReplyDeleteHoly flipping CRAP! Dr List! Von Strucker's right-hand man! He's in this episode.
ReplyDeleteYeah, it will also play right into Other Shield's view of Coulson. He's turned to a known killer and Hydra member in order to fight them. Yeah that's going to convince them that he's the right guy to lead Shield. Hell Bobbi right now is more trustworthy than Ward will ever be. May also swing Jemma's view as well.
ReplyDeleteTo me, this seems to suggest that Fitz may have quit Shield altogether. There's no mention of him having joined Coulson and Hunter and I can't see him agreeing to work with Ward ever.
ReplyDeleteWow I wonder what Fitz will think about it. And I love how Skye and Lincoln are drawn to the conflict between the factions, as it implies even Skye didn't have intention to get involved. Which is a surprise considering her relationship with Coulson. But I think she needs to build new alliances with the Inhumans, this is her real group, and they don't mingle with the human world. But I'm sure once she controlled her powers she will come to Coulson side. I wish in the end both Shields join to form one Shield.
ReplyDeletehe still listed as a agent though so idk have to wait and see
ReplyDeleteMaybe we see tonight that he isn't left go? It's just interesting to me that it's th two we know are still out that are doing this.
ReplyDeleteIt does open up huge questions alright, like for example why show us the bit in 2.11 where she's talking about being lost and then not have her do anything about Skye. Though there's still the question why Gordon didn't tell Skye about her in the Cabin.
ReplyDeleteThis is pretty much my view. If he ends up back on the team by the end of te season I think the writers will have blown it, and I'd be dissapointed in the whole arc to be honest.
ReplyDeleteCongratulations, AOS. You've just completely trashed Coulson's character. Great job.
ReplyDeleteI don't expect coulson and ward to trust or like each other in this team up tho should be interesting.
ReplyDeleteOMG. YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! Ward and Coulson team up. I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteI can't wait. IT WILL BE EPIC. I'm so happy right now, you can't imagine how much.
Does kind of make the whole speech at his cell pointless doesn't it. "you'll never be on my team!" 10 episodes later "hey Ward about that whole team thing!"
ReplyDeleteIn her defense, Skye was pretty well hidden by the agents that rescued her from HYDRA as a baby, it took Raina striking a frenemy relationship with Coulson and his team for Cal to remotely finding out his daughter's whereabouts.
ReplyDeleteEveryone (except Coulson which boggles my mind) on the team doesn't want to work with Ward. He's betrayed everyone in the entire team. It's way too soon for this. Ugh, I'm so wary about this episode.
ReplyDeletei be more interested in why lincoln is drawn into this war i know why skye is drawn in though
ReplyDeleteThis series has discredited Coulson from day one.
ReplyDeleteI know right?! Henry Goodman as Dr. List!
ReplyDeleteI get why people like Dichen Lachman but that's the least important part of this press release.
This means (and i'm speculating) that Ward will lead Coulson and Hunter to uncover Baron Strucker's secret base. Coulson will see it's importance and call in the Avengers who the following week on May 1st (in North America, the next day April 22 in other parts) will take down HYDRA.
HYDRA's defeat will solidify Coulson's standing and establish him as the proper head of the newly reestablished SHIELD.
Unless he's just following Skye. We'll have to see how that relationship develops. (I'd love if Lincoln does turn out to be a love interest just to see the reaction.
ReplyDeleteWard said it "I'm hard to replace"
ReplyDeleteHadn't thought of that at all but it would be an epic way to tie the two into each other alright.
ReplyDeleteyou would think skye would of been drawn in anyways cause of coulson
ReplyDeletethis is just speculation at this point though
ReplyDeleteThe Inhumans want to stay hidden. She might not have a choice and she has to persuade them to help Coulson.
ReplyDeleteJus replace all the team members he's going to cause issues with (Jemma and Fitz have clearly stated their positions)
ReplyDeleteThe fact that Dichen is here as Jiaying gives me life.
ReplyDeleteWho knows how she's taking the whole Shield trying to kill her bit. We know that she already has fears about this.
ReplyDeleteyes this is a big issue for jemma and fitz idk where they will stand on this
ReplyDeleteOr Coulson is playing Ward like he did Bakshi and wants to get to the new head of HYDRA. Coulson's going to be looking pretty desperate, it would be the perfect time.
ReplyDeleteI can just imagine Other Shield's response if she has control of her powers when she returns.
ReplyDeleteGordon kidnaps Cal for "making too much noise." My guess is Skye is going to be like her mom and convince the Inhumans to help humans (SHIELD).
ReplyDeletewell, unless they flip Jemma again, her "I'll kill you!" is pretty clear, like I siad finding out Coulson has gone this route might kick her over to the other Shield completely. Fitz I just can't see being OK with Ward.
ReplyDeletePutting that way OMG I didn't think of that, now I've mixed feelings.
ReplyDeletegood point but we have to wait and see
ReplyDeleteI don't remember her mom wanting to help Humans, and her death (if she is dead) would be a big counter weight against involvement.
ReplyDeletemaybe but at the same time they did protect skye all this time
ReplyDeleteHA!!! We have been saying this for MONTHS!!! I hope Coulson BEGS for Ward's help! Phil 'everyone-deserves-a-2nd-chance-oh-wait-except-Ward' Coulson! They better make this EPIC. We've not seen Ward for HALF the Season and people are royally pissed off. I can't wait to see Ward come back in and kick major ass! (And FINALLY see Coulson check himself and his damn ego)
ReplyDeleteTrue, but then again I didn't claim it to be anything more than that. I was just pointing out that it could easily be explained based simply on what we already know.
ReplyDeleteWithout knowing what she was. If they had it's not a huge stretch to suggest Shield's handling of Skye would have been compeletly different and Skye knows that. We have no idea how much intel the Inhumans have about what Shield has done/doing (also Skye might have to explain that it was Hydra agents not Shield that were responsible.
ReplyDeletei get what your saying but i still think its some type of flash back or voice recordings
ReplyDeletethat would be the only way to void radically changing Skye's character I would say, but 3 episodes with flashbacks seems a bit much to me. There would have to be a compelling reason for that. I suppose we find out tomorrow. Shouldn't the second sneak peek be up today as well?
ReplyDeletewell if you remember in season 1 episode 12 that agent they went to talk to about skye past he did say she was the 084 so they did know that much so to say they were completly in the dark is not right
ReplyDeleteyes hopefully next hour or two hours
ReplyDeleteYeah but then even Shield lot her as the other agent deleted her files, as Coulson said not even Shield had anything on her. That suggests to me that other than the program moving her in childcare, Shield had no active knowledge of her existence not too mention her 084 status. If there was they would have to explain how Hydra didn't know about her (and we'd have to assume Whitehall would have continued hunting her if Hydra knew she was in the Foster system)
ReplyDeleteCheers, I can never remember when they come out, wish they didn't leave it till the night before.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if they would help though since it goes so against their culture. I'm sure Skye will help, but I wonder if they would make her choose between Coulson or them since she is endangering their secret. I think she can get Lincoln to help though since he is her mentor and she is gonna do it anyway, but if she decides to rejoin Shield, he would probably not stay unless he falls for her.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I'm unsure of this episode too. I guess Coulson is really desperate. It was inevitable that Ward would be involved in this somehow. Otherwise, what's the point of his character?
ReplyDeleteYes, lets instead see the unrepent killer still kill, along with a whole team being asked to gloss over what he's done. Compelling view it will not be.
ReplyDeleteIt's a plot move to incorporate a character that has become increasingly trivial to the main story arc. Coulson could have called in any number of agents - Clint, Natasha, Sharon - instead its *Ward*.
ReplyDeleteyou bring up some valid points but i can't seeing her completely leaving coulson i figure she would pop back in eventually
ReplyDeleteIt's a move to appease the Ward fans. Like you said there are other options (I think it would be cool if we saw Sharon on AoS to be honest)
ReplyDeleteTotal character assassination happening here. Good job, writers, good job. *shakes head*
ReplyDeletethis doesn't even bring up the fact that simmons and fitz will be so pisted off about them turning to ward
ReplyDeletePretty much, I can't see anyway they craft the story to not make this look as bad as I think it's going to be.
ReplyDeleteI agree. So dreading this episode.
ReplyDeleteHe would deserve a second chance if he showed any remorse of his action, but last I checked he was still killing innocent people.
ReplyDeleteEmily is on the same network, it would be so easy to bring her over for an episode. I don't think it's even a move to appease Ward fans. They're just stuck with this character that has no use and they've decided to do *this*. It'll be interesting to see the ratings tank for this episode.
ReplyDeleteP.S: Also shaking my head at all these Ward (got abused so his actions are justifiable) supporters gloating.
ReplyDeleteI'd even bet May will have issues with Coulson turning to Ward. She;s made her view on him clear as well.
ReplyDeleteI've not actually seen any point to his character this season to be honest. He could have easily not been onscreen, and I would not have noticed. He's not really had much of a story really. The most he's done is provide info on hydra, and they never started his redemption arc, if they were going to do that here. Everything with Whitehall or his brother was not really significant in that direction.
ReplyDeleteGoing by this logic, I suppose you also believe Thor was also character assassinated in The Dark World, since he did pretty much the same thing Coulson will do in this episode. Loki is, after all, just as much a betrayer and a murderer as Ward is.
ReplyDeleteThis, if his arc had time and change of character it might be something (ie something in the third season). But this, too soon, too unreformed.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I know it was going to be inevitable but at least wait till season 3 to at least even have contact with Coulson and the team. And plus, why Ward out of all people? I'm sure there's other agents that would gladly help out Coulson (Agent 13 for example or Maria Hill). Also, the writers were teasing so much about Ward's storyline of going off on the run, with his own missions and stuff. That only lasted about one episode. Seriously?
ReplyDeleteYeah, I haven't watched any Marvel films except the Avengers.
ReplyDeleteParticularly as he can be blamed for Skye's transformation as well.
ReplyDeleteAnd where the hell is Maria Hill? Can't Coulson call her. I thought she was supposed to return this season.
ReplyDeleteTotally agree. I guess, if these isn't some ploy by Coulson, Ward will have redeemed himself by the end of this end *shaking my head a bunch more times*.
ReplyDeleteYeh that would make much more sense, particularly as she could give the full rundown on what Gonzales most likely has.
ReplyDeleteHaha, figures. In a nutshell, desperate times called for desperate measures, it's what motivated Thor to seek Loki's help and it's certain to be what'll motivate Coulson to do the same with Ward. Doesn't mean Thor wasn't wary of betrayal and neither will Coulson, with the latter having the advantage of Ward not having nearly the same resources as Loki to pull an act similar to what the latter did.
ReplyDeletewell when your desperate to get your organization back have to turn to something
ReplyDeleteExcept Coulson does have the potential to reach for others (Hill who most likely knows how to reach Fury for example). He doesn't have to turn to Ward, turning to him may cost him other members of his team and will rightly solidify Other Shields view about him and his leadership.
ReplyDeleteWho do you think Coulson's going to call when Ward helps him find Baron Strucker's secret base? He's going to call Maria Hill, who will turn around and say:"hey Cap you're going to want to hear this..." ..... what happens next? You're going to have to buy a movie ticket to find out.
ReplyDeleteYes, you should turn to the evil murderer who killed a bunch of innocent SHIELD agents and other people and almost killed two members of your own team because that makes sense.
ReplyDeleteIt will be interesting alright to see how this and the following episodes are viewed.
ReplyDeletehey thor turn to loki in dark world how is that any different
ReplyDeleteCoulson' gonna use Ward and then hand him over to Talbot.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. I'd like to see Maria Hill or Fury help Coulson.
ReplyDeleteThor is not Couslon, that's how it's different.
ReplyDeletethat is a good theory and i can actually see that happening
ReplyDeleteit don't matter he still turn to a guy who had done the same type of things as coulson
ReplyDeleteThis argument could also be made for Tony Stark in "Iron Man 3" and Steve Rogers in "Captain America: The Winter Soldier", you know. You'll get the same real answer every time: there wouldn't be any entertainment value if it was simply a case of calling your powerful friends to help with your problems, AKA a Deus ex machina solution.
ReplyDeleteBut don't worry, we're all likely to get an in-universe explanation.
To me this seems to have made the entire Ward story arc kind of pointless to be honest. He hasn't changed from the Hydra killer of Seasn 1 and yet may be back on the team. What was the point then, Fitz could have been injured be another Hydra agent, Ward could have confronted his brother as a Shield agent and Skye could have been captured by Whitehall anyway. Why have the whole fallen agent, when he's going rejoin without being any different?
ReplyDeleteYes, just kill him off please, but with him still being evil and not a heroic way, because he doesn't deserve that.
ReplyDeletePossible but I don't see it happening. Ward in custody and then escapes has already been done. I see it more like the dust settles and Coulson says something to Ward like "You may have done a good thing here to help but you're still a contemptible piece of garbage as far as I'm concerned. Good people are dead because of you and you're going to have to wear that for the rest of your life, so this? Us working together? Don't get used to it." or something like that.
ReplyDeleteSadly this episode info makes me think Coulson isn't going to even do that.
ReplyDeleteIf Coulson does the "I am the boss and you have to follow me" crap about them working with Ward when the others object, I am going to be even more pissed.
ReplyDeleteI don't think the writers would be that stupid (that would be a truly crap scene). This isn't even on the same level as the argument in 2.11. Ward has hurt everyone of the original team in some form. Asking them to accept him back is too much. Hell accepting Bobbi or Mack back on the team woul be less of an ask (as they are Shield agents who so far have tried to limit the impact of what they've done and at least for Bobbi seem geniuely conflicted. Ward not so much.
ReplyDeleteI think Ward is way too good spy to be played like that.
ReplyDeleteyeah she's just gonna kill him.
ReplyDeleteyea the whole team may,skye,fitz,simmons could have issues with this
ReplyDeleteWhic still leaves you with how the hell do the writers think they can just fit Ward back into the orginal team as we've currently seen him. Hows Coulson's relationship with Talbot going to work out if hefinds out a killer of US military personnel is working for Shield.
ReplyDeleteHe might say something like that to Ward when they first meet up. Either way I highly doubt Ward is coming back to SHIELD. He'll be around though. He'll weave in and out of their situations. He'll lend a hand from a distance or from the shadows, but he'll try to regain some of their trust or at the very least try to convince them that he's not their enemy.
ReplyDeletejesus, people have to chill... they can't sideline Ward forever, and having him back will lead to so many conflicts and drama.. cant wait :D
ReplyDeleteI can just imagine how Coulson's relationship with Talbot goes if Talbot finds out Ward is working with Coulson...
ReplyDeleteWell if the writers solved all these problems fast, the show wouldn't last. Maybe it's gonna lead us to S3.
ReplyDeleteyea i like the ideal of it seems interesting
ReplyDeleteI agree about that, too.
ReplyDeleteTo me they are moving to fast, Jemma's Hydra op didn't really have much of development, now Ward from ecape to reconnecting with the team... As somebody else posted they were teasing Ward doing his own ops for a bit, seems instead that he's going back too quickly.
ReplyDeleteNot if he gives Talbot the heads up and kills two birds with one stone. Talbot gets Ward and brings in the other SHIELD.
ReplyDeleteWho said he escapes this time?
ReplyDeleteOh I think she will (the only way around that might be if her Mom is still alive). But it's realistic to think that her view on Shield might have been changed with the whole trying to kill you bit.
ReplyDeleteshe don't have the whole story either so the only way to get the whole story is finding coulson
ReplyDeleteNo, no and no. If this is meant to appease anyone, it's Brett Dalton, not the fans.
ReplyDeleteBrett, until stated otherwise, is still a regular cast member. As such, it's in his right to expect the writers to give him work, especially if it tests his acting skills and help him improve. Yet Grant Ward has only played a role in 1 out of 5 episodes so far, and it seems like he won't either in the next 2 episodes. Jed and Maurissa could've called his participation in the show a day in 2.10 by having him die from his wounds, but they didn't only to keep him without work for much of season 2B so far. It's only logical, then, for Brett to be rewarded for his patience with an amazing storyline as the season closes, and that can only happen now if they get him involved in this SHIELD Civil War storyline.
And as for calling Clint, Natasha, Sharon or whoever, it is good writing policy not to use solutions not hinted beforehand to solve an apparently unsolvable problem, aka a Deus Ex Machina. If Jed or Maurissa wanted to use either of them in their storyline they should've left enough clues of their upcoming appearances in previous episodes. Don't worry, though, we're all certain to get an in-universe explanation for that.
Nobody. This is all just speculation. I just don't see them putting Ward behind bars again. That's been done already. And Brett Dalton is still one of the series regulars so Ward has to be used in some capacity. I think he'll be a rogue. A free agent. A mercenary. A guy out for himself trying to do the right thing but forever burdened with the weight of the terrible things he did. Call that a redemption arc if you want but I think its inevitable to some degree, and ultimately others, especially Skye will take notice of the good he's trying to do. That's not say all will be forgiven and welcome back to the team. No. I don't think he'll ever fully be welcomed back. But the others will need to recognize that he as done some good.
ReplyDeleteIn Star Wars, in the end Darth Vader killed the Emperor and saved his son. That doesn't excuse the horrible things Anakin Skywalker did but that one last act can't be overlooked.
No cause if not for ward,skye would've been in Puerto Rico with coulson and the team to stop hydra using the obelisk because they thought it was a weapon of mass destruction and then when cal beat the crap outa coulson,skye still would have gone down and transformed
ReplyDeleteI don´t know why people it´s getting crazy about this. We should wait to see the episode, and then we can judge
ReplyDeleteBut Hydra wouldn't have the map of the city, Raina wouldn't have been there at all (so she wouldn't have reason to go down). She could have just ended it with stopping Cal from killing Coulson and that would be the end of it. If Ward hadn't taken her off the plane the odds of her being transformed drop significantly.
ReplyDeleteSo I guess that means that Real SHIELD was right about Coulson. If you're turning to pure evil to help you, you're clearly not fit for leadership or making good decision.
ReplyDeleteIt's certainly going to convince them of that anyway. Like I said before, it might also convince Jemma about the concerns that they have (apart from her Alien issues, after the fall she did have issues over what right they had to be operating).
ReplyDeletePure evil? Talk about hyperbole. Pretty sure Ward's nowhere near the Red Skull or Daniel Whitehall in the scale of evilness.
ReplyDeleteYeah cause burning your family is cute and everything. Ward has racked up a signifcant amount of dead that makes it hard to see him as anything other than a killer.
ReplyDeleteseason 1 was better even till the Captain America episode.. but this 'Skye is an Inhuman' and SHIELD vs SHIELD thing is annoying.. what happened with this show?
ReplyDeleteI don't really see a difference between the three of them.
ReplyDeleteHonestly, at this point, Coulson is about as hard to root for as Ward for me. He cares so much about rebuilding SHIELD and his team that he'll team up with the organization that brought them down and the man that terrorized his team. That alone would convince me to join Real SHIELD if I was Jemma or Fitz.
ReplyDeleteTwo of them will subject you to prolonged torture and horrible experimentations, take away your freedom and don't see a problem with mass murder, essentially being versions of Adolf Hitler in the MCU, the other is just a hired assassin. Are you kidding me?
ReplyDeletecouldn't agree more
ReplyDeleteUm...have you watched the show recently?
ReplyDeleteWard is literally subjecting someone to prolonged torture and horrible experimentations right now as of 2.14. Works with HYDRA kidnapping and killing people so he's working to take away freedom right there (see being a HYDRA agent and his S2 storyline). Doesn't see a problem with mass murder and actively goes around murdering people as often as possible.
I hope there are other examples because Ward very much does those things?
I agree with this. Plus there could be other excuses, like Jiaying's body could have healed but her memories weren't a part of that and she's spent the time recouping them or something. I hope Jiaying is alive, just so Skye can gain understanding of her abilities and herself.
ReplyDeletetension will for sure be really high this episode
ReplyDelete"Ward is literally subjecting someone to prolonged torture and horrible experimentations right now as of 2.14." Who, Bakshi? Don't do unto others what you don't want to be done unto yourself, he had it coming. And whether he's manipulating Kara or just helping her as he said is still up in the air. And both he and Garrett were HYDRA agents in name only: neither of them were true believers, they were under the HYDRA umbrella because it benefitted them but played their own game. They were essentially weapons dealers.
ReplyDeleteIf Ward is to be compared with any Marvel villain, it's Loki, who's a liar, betrayer and murderer, but is nuanced enough to not be "pure evil" as you described. Pure evil is the Red Skull and Daniel Whitehall, who, as I said, are essentially the Adolf Hitlers of the MCU.
Well I trust the writers, they have a plan for that, they always have an plan.
ReplyDeleteWell, there is not surprises here, I think Ward problably would join the team someday again. I'm wonder where is Agent 33 at this point, it seems she will die soon.
ReplyDeleteMy hopefully bet Skye mom alive thanks to her Healing Power.
ReplyDeleteSorry for my bad spelling
This is going to be SO DAMN GOOD.
ReplyDeleteMaybe he doesn't know Skye is Daisy and Jiaying's daughter. Although this is unlikely since he already met Cal and Raina. He seems smart so i'm sure he has a plan and will reveal on the right moment.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I very much doubt Cal hasn't told them who she is. I wonder if they will explain why it's taken until now for Gordon to come for her. To me it's pretty clear that he would have known about her. Was it just he didn't want to expose himself to Shield (or take her without talking to her first?)?
ReplyDeleteThis prediction was as easy as sunrise. They need to reintroduce him to the main plot. People might not like but it's not a surprise. We need to see how it will play out before judging and no doubt there will be a lot drama and tension on the episode so it's good.
ReplyDeleteNew Shield should been Sword but nope
ReplyDeleteI'm just hoping that the only reason Ward is helping is because he has something Coulson wants, and Ward knows it. In terms of Ward rejoining the team...I doubt it, at least for now. But, I've decided I find Ward's character pointless now...he doesn't really have anything to offer other than being the character of a psycho fangirl's dreams (no offense). He really doesn't have any redeeming qualities. I wouldn't mind Skye killing him by exploding his heart at the end of the season though, that'd be cool...It just all depends on what they do from here to now.
ReplyDeleteCould be related to the inhumans. Like new SHIELD hunting down an inhuman and Skye take upon herself to save this person and lincoln would help. The other side is Coulson still trying to get SHIELD back and end up asking Ward fro help and somewhere during the episode they will come together against new SHIELD. Common enemy and goals.
ReplyDeleteCoulson will not team up with Hydra! Ward is now working on his own account.
ReplyDeleteyou are probably right we will see the answers but probably not fast probably few more episodes down the road might answer these questions
ReplyDeleteOne of the condition for them to help her could be of her getting away from SHIELD completely and since Coulson can't really help her she will take the inhumans help and leave the team. Well, she kind of already did that when Coulson put her in that cabin but i expect she will get distance from the SHIELD war so she can focus on herself and on the episode something will make her work with Coulson again for a common goal.
ReplyDeleteI can't really imagine Fitz reaction about working with Ward again. Should be tough.
Me too. She alone can take down the new SHIELD considering how powerful she can be. When she has full control she will be the best agent ever. They would regret not being nice to her.
ReplyDeleteBy now it's Real SHIELD using HYDRA-like methods to come into power. They say one thing but they do the opposite!
ReplyDeleteIf May was on Coulson side i don't think she would be ok about Coulson calling Ward for help which leds me to believe May still a prisoner on the new SHIELD. If it's really just Coulson and Hunter against the world it gets easier to believe Coulson would turn to Ward for help. He would help get May and maybe the bus back.
ReplyDeleteMaybe she's speaking to her from the Spirit World.
ReplyDeleteJeez. You people and your fanfiction.
ReplyDeleteYeah S2 isn't over yet and the show is no way near over
ReplyDeleteDont they usually come out 1:00 Eastern Time? Im surprised that its not up yet.
ReplyDeleteIt's fun.
ReplyDeleteBy the promo you can see she will be with the inhumans but still be worried about the team and what happened while she was gone. By episode 17 press release it seems like she will just follow a different path leaving Coulson to deal with SHIELD problems alone. He kind of already left her alone at the cabin to deal with her powers anyway. She will be in a different path with the inhumans. Then their paths will cross again on the 18.
ReplyDeleteNew SHEILD could be messing with the inhumans. i'm sure they would respond.
ReplyDeleteI think it's both. They obviously have plans for her and putting SHIELD target on their backs wouldn't be a good idea. Skye would be more suceptive of inhumans and her powers if they didn't force her to anything or kidnapped her.
ReplyDeleteNow that we've gotten a better understanding of how Skye's powers work: being able to feel and control the resonance of the entire universe. That's pretty powerful stuff. I suspect from a day to day, hand to hand combat perspective, we'll see Skye use (I don't know what to call it) a type of force punch. We're talking superhuman, knock the Hulk back kind of force. Think of the Tomorrow People without the teleporting.
ReplyDeleteThis will be cool to see and suspect when Skye and Ward cross paths again, their fight will be a spectacle to behold.
yea same its normally is up unless their is a lot of suprises and their gonna leave it to just one sneak peak this week
ReplyDeleteI WAS RIGHT, I WAS RIGHT WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AWESOMESAUCE THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteWhy isn't Ward dead by now? Why do we have to deal with him anymore? Please, just get rid of him. He's completely pointless. And, if they try to redeem him now, I will have lost all respect for the writing staff on this show. The only thing that would be keeping me around then would me Coulson and May.
ReplyDeleteLOVED IT! WARD MY KING <3
ReplyDeleteBecause Ward is awesome ahaha :*
ReplyDeleteWARD IS THE BEST <3
ReplyDeleteit wouldn't surprise me, even if we saw her body
ReplyDeleteIf you mean by a murdering bastard who has escaped justice too long, then I agree with you.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure it's flashbacks. If they're short scenes, what's the big deal? Skye is there to learn about just how much she is like her mother. And then she'll leave, like her mother did.
ReplyDeleteJiaying was working in a clinic with Cal when they met. Gordon doesn't seem very impressed by Cal.
ReplyDeleteNow the "monsters" coming to get Skye makes sense. It was Inhumans, in hiding, trying to retrieve Jiaying's half-human child.
We don't know enough about her mother to assume that she left. In 2.11 the other Inhuman suggested that she'd be mentoring/guiding Inhumans for a long time. Why she was in the village with Cal is perhaps a different question.
ReplyDeleteHurl.
ReplyDeleteI think Lincoln will help her, even though they have a non-interference policy and then he'll return to the Inhumans and Skye will stay with SHIELD.
ReplyDeletePlus Mike Peterson and quite a few other people Coulson could call, even IF he insists on not telling the Avengers he's alive (the reasons for which still escape me). You'd think he would absolutely exhaust all options before turning to the would-be murderer of two of his team members.
ReplyDeleteIf they do that, I'm literally going to stop watching.
ReplyDeleteI agree. As long he is very far away from Skye, i'm okay. He may help them somehow, but he is still their enemy. It's a classic move to be quite honest. There's no way he could be back to the team.
ReplyDeleteToo bad all the dead people Ward eliminated can't be replaced.
ReplyDeleteAnd all those that might have suffered from all of those released from the Fridge, or killed by the weapons that Hydra got from there as well. But sure that's not important is it. At this stage I think he could Waterboard Fitz on camera and his fans would still say "but he's not evil!"
ReplyDeleteHa! I was patiently waiting for you to come on the thread and express your disgust XD
ReplyDeleteOh my God, now that you mention it - once Fitz finds out that Coulson turned to Ward, it would be akin to being betrayed by yet ANOTHER person. What the hell?! Can we stop treating Fitz like a punching bag? The fact that Iain resembles a puppy so much makes it even worse.
ReplyDeleteI don't think we have enough information about what she was doing (and why she wasn't in this Inhuman base). Gordon isn't impressed with Cal now, but I'm not sure if it's clear that he did whatever he did with his "formula" before or after the attack.
ReplyDeleteI also don't think we have enough information to think that it was the Inhumans that were attacking the village. Gordon seems to be able to see alot. I think it's more likely that if she had left to work with Humans, that the Inhumans didn't know about Skye until Cal/Raina came into play this season.
Yes. Jemma said very clear and out loud: "If i ever see you again, i will kill you". If this isn't a bold move from Coulson, i will be very disappointed.
ReplyDeleteYes killing people because he wants to. Wonderful person to have at your side.
ReplyDeleteSame here. If they do a 'redeemed bullshit arc' with Ward, i'm out. I love this show very much but i wouldn't not have stomach to see Ward near anyone of the team again after everything he did. It's just so wrong on so many levels.
ReplyDeleteIf it was something over more than a season with at least some evidence of Ward turning from his ways, and having him as a merc on the side or something. maybe I could put up with it. But if we are talking about this as being his way back yeah I call BS!
ReplyDeletePfffft. None of these people matter because they aren't "hot bad boys" with a pretty face and nice abs. Ward might have to hurt a clone of himself to get the Stand With Ward fans to care.
ReplyDeleteWait, Bobbi did WHAT? OMG, that bitch needs to DIE. Where's my sweet, cuddly Ward again?
I've said this elsewhere in this thread, but with almost 200 replies in this thread I can see how it may have gone unnoticed.
ReplyDeleteThe real life explanation is that it is good writing policy not to use solutions not hinted beforehand to solve an apparently unsolvable problem, aka a Deus Ex Machina. If Jed or Maurissa wanted to use Mike Peterson, Clint, Natasha or whoever in their storyline they should've laid the groundwork in previous episodes of this season so their appearance wouldn't come out of left field and thus feel like a solution from the heavens so to speak.
Of course, real life explanation and in-universe explanation are not the same, so expect a bit of exposition before Coulson turns towards Grant Ward for help.
It would send such a ridiculous message if Ward was so easily redeemed that I would simply be far too disgusted to keep watching. I am sick to death of shows like The Vampire Diaries saying that "hot bad boy" characters deserve to get the girl and live happily ever after, and all the innocent people they've killed don't matter in the slightest. I hope AoS is better than that.
ReplyDeleteFangirls.
ReplyDeleteWhile I don't claim that Ward is on the same scale of evil as Red Skull or Whitehall, please consider that he knowingly worked for a Nazi organization (which tried to commit mass genocide in Winter Soldier). I don't think HE has any problem with mass murder, either.
ReplyDeleteWell, so far AoS is doing just fine. And i really hope it stays that way. They have lots of potential for Season 3, especially now with Age of Ultron in the cards. But if the show start to go bad because of Ward's character, them i'm out, because not even Skye or Simmons could make me stay.
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