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The Flash - Episode 1.15 - Out of Time - Sneak Peek 3

17 Mar 2015

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93 comments:

  1. Lurking17 March 2015 at 18:39

    I pity Eddie because he didn't sign up for this. Unlike Linda, Barry was out of commission at the start of their relationship so he had no real sense of what their relationship is like.

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  2. Koky17 March 2015 at 18:39

    AWKWARD! I feel bad for Eddie and Linda but my Westallen heart is singing from the rooftops :D

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  3. arrowshieldfan17 March 2015 at 18:42

    we haven't see any of this outside "work" activities......in arrow yet. I sure in the future

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  4. Bruce_F17 March 2015 at 18:45

    Everyone on Arrow is too busy being miserable to do anything like this. The last time this happened, it was the awkward Oliver/Helena - Laurel/Tommy dinner date.

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  5. Koky17 March 2015 at 18:45

    I read somewhere that the producers said that it doesn't work on Arrow. Not sure why exactly.

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  6. AnnoDomini17 March 2015 at 18:46

    They're doing a great job in making me feel sorry for Eddie.


    Also....terrible choice on that shirt at a bowling alley, Iris. But thank you.

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  7. Bruce_F17 March 2015 at 18:47

    No balance. No one on Arrow even pretends to have a social life anymore and I bet very few of the characters are even capable of it at this point.

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  8. arrowshieldfan17 March 2015 at 18:49

    probably because the show "tone' is dark so it would difficult to do this.....anyway there the wedding where everyone will be happy.....

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  9. AnnoDomini17 March 2015 at 18:49

    I think it's because the script calls for everyone to be so serious. Even when they have a nightclub going on, its conception was still based on being a front for Ollie's other activities at night. But then again, it still fits. I wouldn't want to see Ollie go bowling; I'd rather see him become mayor. Now, Roy or Thea...I don't know why we can't see them having some fun like this.

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  10. Koky17 March 2015 at 18:50

    Yeah but the show is in a desperate need for a light scene every now and then. You have no idea how excited I am for the wedding. I can't believe I'll get to see all of them smiling.

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  11. AnnoDomini17 March 2015 at 18:53

    My favorite "light" scene is still Ollie and Moira at Big Belly Burger.

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  12. arrowshieldfan17 March 2015 at 18:56

    well for a few episode in season 1...Oliver and his family ate at Big Belly Burger.....we don't see that anymore just a family eating dinner, etc.......well if dinner counts as something with friend...we saw Roy/Oliver have dinner with Diggle/Lyla so that is kinda of light

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  13. Koky17 March 2015 at 19:00

    I loved that scene, I miss Moira :(
    My favourite was the team's scene at BBB in the Dodger episode.

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  14. arrowshieldfan17 March 2015 at 19:04

    too bad the BBB don't exist anymore because they got rid of the set and all. I sure there will be more light moments beside the wedding

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  15. Koky17 March 2015 at 19:06

    I don't see how, the coming episodes look very tense. Maybe next season?

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  16. Deppza17 March 2015 at 19:18

    This episode is supposed to be mind blowing! worthy of being a season finale. CAN'T WAIT!( ͡° ͜Ê– ͡°) not even gonna click on sneak peek.

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  17. Aydrian17 March 2015 at 19:29

    I really feel bad for Eddie and Linda. But they just need to accept the fact that these two are very close. I'm not even a WestAllen shipper but I can appreciate their scenes.

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  18. Bruce_F17 March 2015 at 19:36

    Eddie doesn't really strike me as the accepting type. Linda I could see being accepting but it's hard when Iris is being passive-aggressive and territorial.

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  19. MurderMondays17 March 2015 at 19:45

    I think this is why we didn't get any more Barry/Eddie bonding scenes. They didn't want Barry and Iris looking like the bad guys in these scenes. Unfortunately I think it is too late for that.

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  20. Nimble-nme17 March 2015 at 19:46

    I don't really think Iris is passive-aggressive. I just think that she still doesn't quite understand her feelings yet. She and Barry were best friends for more than a decade and so they are always going to be close like they are in the clip,and because it was always just the two of them, they can sometimes forget that there are others around when they're together. If anything, it was Barry who was the more passive-aggressive in regards to his actions toward Eddie in the beginning part of the season.

    Eddie has been more than accepting, considering the fact that he was concerned when he saw Barry and Iris were quarreling earlier on, and then he even offered something of an olive branch to Barry when he was teaching him how to punch. He would accept their friendship, but I think he, and Linda, can see that the closeness between Barry and Iris is veering toward non-platonic, and of course he would not be accepting of that.

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  21. O D A17 March 2015 at 20:05

    Oh Eddie! I feel for you. At least Linda had an inkling before. Why EP's why is it so necessary for you to make the girl realize she has feelings for the hero while she is in another relationship? Why not end one and then start the shenanigans. I hated it in Arrow and I hate it in The Flash. Not that both relationships are the same.

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  22. Lurking17 March 2015 at 20:08

    Barry got the ball rolling with his confession.

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  23. O D A17 March 2015 at 20:08

    I hope next season we will get scenes where the team is having dinner together or something like that. We did see Oliver and Thea watching a movie with popcorn this year. But it was shadowed by Malcolm peeking on them.

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  24. O D A17 March 2015 at 20:10

    I get it but still the relationship between Iris and Eddie is one year long. They even moved in together. That is a very committed relationship. If Iris is confused she needs to take her time away from Barry and think it through.

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  25. Lurking17 March 2015 at 20:10

    It's hard for Eddie to accept because Iris has been his girlfriend for 1 year and they've had a very smooth relationship. He loves her so it's not going to be easy for him to let go. Linda just met Barry so it will be a lot easier for her.

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  26. Aydrian17 March 2015 at 20:11

    I kinda like seeing her be territorial. But at the same time, Barry is trying to move on from her and she's sabotaging it.

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  27. Koky17 March 2015 at 20:13

    Iris and Barry are already very close she is not acting this way solely because she is starting to realize that she has feelings for him. That's why Barry didn't seem surprised by her behaviour. They looked so natural.

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  28. Lurking17 March 2015 at 20:14

    I agree with you. The writers like things very messy. If Iris wasn't with Eddie, it would be hard to justify keeping them apart once Iris realizes her feelings. I also think that they are creating the Barry/Eddie rivalry to feed Eddie's dark side.

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  29. O D A17 March 2015 at 20:18

    That might be true but both of them were completely absorbed in each other. Iris was all about Eddie when they were out before. Remember the bar scene with Cisco and Caitlin. There was an innocence in her actions towards Barry then. But now there is a shift.

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  30. Koky17 March 2015 at 20:21

    True, because she is starting to feel something for Barry but she is not doing anything out of the ordinary. The undertone of her actions changed but her interactions with Barry remain the same.

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  31. O D A17 March 2015 at 20:28

    I get the logic behind it and I know she is not trying to be hurtful to Eddie. But she has a year long relationship with Eddie. She must feel when Eddie is getting uncomfortable.


    I don't dislike the character. I just dislike the way this is going.

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  32. Koky17 March 2015 at 20:36

    This a CW show after all so of course it has to go this way. They are even starting to show us that they are not as close as it seems. he didn't even know that she liked bowling. And of course he'll get jealous and turn evil, aka Slade 2.0.

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  33. Graydon17 March 2015 at 20:50

    I think you're simp lying Eddie's possible turn into Zoom. It'll be about more than just Iris. Probably a combination of his life being ruined, blaming the Flash in some way, and slowly driving down a path of villainy until he tries to fix everything though the speed force or time travel, or to cause an accident that will render him completely insane and have time control or speed abilities. And if he does he won't be Slade 2.0. He'll probably make Slade look sane.

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  34. Koky17 March 2015 at 20:54

    I know it won't be completely about jealousy but I hate it when a good guy becomes a villain because he was heartbroken. I'm not familiar with Professor Zoom's history but the promos suggest that when Barry changes time Eddie will be a mad man.

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  35. Bruce_F17 March 2015 at 20:57

    I agree. Up until recently, Iris has been presented as a character without flaws and characters without flaws are boring.

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  36. thi8617 March 2015 at 20:57

    WestAllen!!!

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  37. Graydon17 March 2015 at 21:02

    Slade didn't become a villain out of jealousy/ heartbreak though. It was because he went insane from mirakuru and obsessed with vengeance over Shado's murder. That combined with the whole Ivo blaming Oliver led to the insanity. I guess it was heartbreak over her death, but I personally love a good tragedy origin story. They feel a lot more human than a bad guy just being bad because he's bad. The thing is if Eddie is Professor Zoom his origin is far different. If he's Zoom he basically will be ripped apart by the plot and become a villain to "help" the Flash.

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  38. Bruce_F17 March 2015 at 21:05

    Iris hasn't figured her feelings out but she is definitely being passive-aggressive and territorial. She has already tried to sabotage Barry's budding relationship with Linda and now she has taken their double date to a place that is obviously special to herself and Barry plus you can add that territorial display at the end of the clip right in front of Linda. There's no way Iris is oblivious to any of these actions.

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  39. Shannon17 March 2015 at 21:06

    Ahhhh!!!! OMG!!! Even though i ship them that was sooooo......ohhh Iris! It's even funnier b/c she didn't even realize she did it.

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  40. Koky17 March 2015 at 21:09

    He still blames Oliver and wants to kill him even after he was cured. I love a tragic origin story too but it doesn't have to be a romantic one all the time. Malcolm, Slade,The huntress and the list goes on.
    Not this. He'll be like Tess from Smallville? I hate that. Let's kill and betray people and work with the bad guys to help the hero embrace his destiny.

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  41. Bruce_F17 March 2015 at 21:09

    I'm not so sure about that. One slip up is a mistake. Two is borderline. Three is a definite pattern. She tried to tank Barry's relationship with Linda a few episodes ago (1), she takes this double date to a place that's obviously special to her and Barry (2), and now she's cleaning up after him directly in front of Linda (3). She has to have some idea of what she's doing.

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  42. Lurking17 March 2015 at 21:12

    We don't know who suggested the place, It could have been Barry.

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  43. Bruce_F17 March 2015 at 21:14

    That isn't evidence of Barry suggesting the place.

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  44. Nimble-nme17 March 2015 at 21:14

    I guess there's room for her current actions to be somewhat subjective, because I merely see her interacting naturally with someone whom she has shared a household with for over a decade and you see territorial even though I'm pretty sure that the double date wasn't set up but was coincidental with Barry bringing Linda to a place that Iris happens to be at and adores.


    In regards to her sabotaging Barry's relationship, I don't really see it as her going out of her way to stake her claim. I recall that it was Linda who went to Iris initially, and even when Iris told her the TRUTH, she never claimed that she was the one that Barry was in love with. That was all Linda's intuition that connected the dots and Barry automatically charging in and claiming that she was trying to sabotage him.

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  45. Lurking17 March 2015 at 21:15

    I didn't say that it is. I said that I think it could have been.

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  46. AnnoDomini17 March 2015 at 21:17

    I would like Oliver to get his mansion back and be supporting his "family", Thea and the rest of Team Arrow with meals and what not like you mentioned. That would be a moment I'd like to see in one of those Christmas episodes.

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  47. AnnoDomini17 March 2015 at 21:19

    BBB was like the coffee shop of Smallville. Clueless on what the place was called.

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  48. AnnoDomini17 March 2015 at 21:21

    Well it does make sense since the family aspect leave the series after S1. I hope at least Team Arrow becomes a family down the line, though.


    The Diggle/Lyla/Ollie/Roy dinner was a fun scene too. Took both Ollie and Roy out of the darkness for a moment's time.

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  49. Koky17 March 2015 at 21:22

    The Talon

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  50. AnnoDomini17 March 2015 at 21:23

    Ahhh, okay.

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  51. Shannon17 March 2015 at 21:25

    She didn't "try to tank" anything. Linda asked her a question, she answered it, and it backfired. She didn't do that deliberately. What Iris did here was completely natural. Of course in Eddie and Linda's eyes it would come off as something else, but Barry and Iris have been besties since childhood. AND Barry has never really had a GF, (or a GF but nothing serious) so she probably doesn't even think she's doing anything wrong since she's pretty much been the only girl in Barry's life. This is a first for her too. And she's going to act the way she's going to act b/c that's what she's used to. As for the bowling, we don't know who suggested bowling, so you can't really pin that on her. And she surely doesn't "have to know what's going on." b/c just like her blindness for Barry's affections for her, she could very well be blind to the fact that what she just did was inappropriate. Again b/c of their relationship.

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  52. Bruce_F17 March 2015 at 21:26

    Narratively speaking, the show is trying to set something up here. There is very little chance that all of these things are amassing out of pure coincidence. It's also not a coincidence that Iris is at the center of all of these incidents. There is a pattern emerging that The Flash is attempting to get across and they're not being subtle about it.

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  53. Koky17 March 2015 at 21:27

    2.5 hours to go :D

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  54. Bruce_F17 March 2015 at 21:27

    Fair enough.

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  55. Bruce_F17 March 2015 at 21:34

    All Linda asked was if Barry had a girlfriend before. That's it. All Iris had to say was no but she didn't stop there. Unsolicited, she chose to tell Linda that Barry "wasn't ready" and then elaborated even further. That was all Iris and all of it unnecessary. What's natural would be for Barry's "friend" to have his back and help her with Linda. Iris did the opposite of what a friend would do.

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  56. Shannon17 March 2015 at 21:35

    I'm ready!! I'm eating pizza right now. But i'm about to cook for the fam, just to pass the time. lol

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  57. Lurking17 March 2015 at 21:36

    I have to agree with Bruce_F here. In my opinion, Iris was subconsciously sabotaging their relationship. She's not happy to see them together as evidenced by her expression when she watched them reconcile later on.

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  58. Koky17 March 2015 at 21:37

    Good strategy lol

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  59. Shannon17 March 2015 at 21:51

    Linda asked her if he ever had a GF and what was his last GF like, Iris answered the question, then gave Iris this look like she wanted her to elaborate, which she did. (b/c let's fact it, women want details which she shows). Idt it was was unnecessary, b/c either way it was going to be brought up. If not by Linda, then it would've been by Barry. Now did Iris overstep her boundaries? Yeah she did, but again, not deliberately.That was completely accidental. Help him with Linda how?? He's doing fine on his own. He's not going up to her saying "Hey Iris, Linda and I are having problems, could you help me out?" Or "Hey Iris, I want to get something for Linda, but idk what to get her, could you help me out?" There's nothing to have his back on and if there WERE, then Iris would do so. Again, she doesn't know her boundaries, b/c she's not used to having any when it comes to Barry. So until Linda talks to her about it, she won't see anything wrong with it.

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  60. Shannon17 March 2015 at 21:54

    Works like a charm. lol

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  61. O D A17 March 2015 at 22:13

    From the tone of MG I don't think we will get the mansion back. They broke down that set. May be they will rebuild later on. But from his tone it felt like they are done with it.

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  62. Bruce_F17 March 2015 at 22:15

    This was not completely accidental. If Iris hadn't felt something for Barry there's no way she would have said anything to Linda that would possibly scare her off. She would have put a completely different spin on things if that were the case.

    If Iris had concerns about Barry being ready for a relationship, a good friend would have taken those concerns to Barry. She wouldn't blurt them out to Linda. That wasn't her call. Let's put it this way:

    If Barry's BFF were a guy and he said the things Iris said to Linda, they wouldn't be on speaking terms and everyone watching the show would think the guy was a sh*tty friend. Another scenario:

    If a girl found herself a cute, nice, normal guy and that girl's BFF told that guy she "wasn't ready" for a relationship and that she wasn't over the last guy she was into there would be a sh*t storm of massive proportions between those two girls.

    Anyway you slice it, it wasn't acceptable friend behavior and it wasn't wholly unintentional.

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  63. arrowshieldfan17 March 2015 at 22:29

    Cw you have fail the fanbase where is arrow sneak peek i just want one!

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  64. bbussey17 March 2015 at 22:31

    To clear this "double-date" misnomer up, it was posted elsewhere that Eddie/Iris decide to go bowling and arrive to find Barry/Linda already there. So the "double-date" was spontaneous and not planned. Given that Barry and Iris have been close since long before Nora's murder and based on this clip that they both have a strong love of bowling (and are both good at it), there's nothing nefarious in Iris' actions. Opposite-sex siblings that are very close conceivably could do the same thing and no one would question it.

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  65. Bruce_F17 March 2015 at 22:38

    Thanks for the info. I appreciate you clearing that up. I never claimed that Iris' actions were nefarious (or any other similar descriptor) but I certainly do not believe she's completely oblivious to her own feelings or actions.

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  66. AnnoDomini17 March 2015 at 23:02

    Ollie needs a good foundation to live at. None of this "living with my sister who's rent is being paid by an ex-League of Assassins member" BS. I think for Ollie to even become more as Ollie, he needs his own place as well.

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  67. Shannon17 March 2015 at 23:05

    I disagree with that completely. Iris could've easily told Linda the same thing if she didn't have feelings for him. She didn't even know she had feelings for him when she was telling Linda all this in the first place and she STILL hasn't realized her feelings. If she did she wouldn't be with Eddie. And she wouldn't be "trying to make it work" with Eddie, or even showing him attention through this awkward double date, calling him Babe.

    She wouldn't say anything to Barry after she just completely rejected him. She has to deal with the fact that Barry was moving on. Maybe it was Linda who should've talked more to Barry, not go behind his back trying to get the 411 from his bestie. B/c she thinks they're the same species, so Iris must be trust worthy. Now Iris is the "bad one" for telling her the truth? Yeah ok.

    Ohhh please. That's not true. (not all the time) Most the time it's "Bros before hoes" And everyone's all accepting of that. And if the guy has a problem with his friend's new GF, then the guy acts irrational, the one with the GF tries to find a way to make it work, b/c "their bond is so strong" (rolls eyes). If it's two girls, it's all, "Oh a man will never come between us." Or The girl shouldn't be neglecting her friend b/c she has a new BF. Thery're sisters, blah blah blah. But when it's a guy and a girl, it's ohh they're in the wrong for being so close, why is he the friend she always goes to, she has a boyfriend now. Or He has a gf, the bestie should accept it. Or They should just hook up and get it over with. oh they're leading other people on. C'mon gimme a break!!!

    I for one see nothing wrong with what Iris did. And i do think it was accidental. BUT they moved past it and Iris already apologized for that, and took a step back. It's going to take time for BOTH of them, Iris and Barry to realize that things have to change if they are going to keep pursuing other relationships. They haven't sat down and talked about it.

    "Anyway you slice it." It really doesn't matter, Barry has been in love with Iris since he was 6, that wasn't going to go away over one rejection, no matter how great of a person Linda was. Or no matter how much Barry "tried to move on" And Iris, wasn't going to stop being close to Barry since that's what she's used to. Since that's BOTH what they're used to. Them having feelings for each other was inevitable, and Linda and Eddie were just a stepping stone. And that's the truth of it. Now if you want to make it seem like Iris is being territorial, that's fine. Maybe she is, and if she is, i don't blame her. (and i still don't think she's doing it deliberately. It's natural) B/c guys are just as territoral, even more so. They sit on the sidelines waiting for the "BF to mess up" overjoyed that their "friend" is crying on their shoulder when shit hits the fan.

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  68. O D A17 March 2015 at 23:10

    After the mess with LoA is over they need to erase all the traces of Malcolm Merlyn from their lives. I don't want Merlyn to die but this softness Oliver have for him needs to completely go away. I could understand if Thea has mixed feelings for Malcolm. But Oliver never.

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  69. Bruce_F17 March 2015 at 23:12

    I'm not "making it seem" like anything. If anything, you seem to be defending your investment in the relationship you want these characters to have. I, however am simply going by how the show is framing these incidents and the narrative direction they're taking. If you disagree that's fine but what should be clear to the both of us by now is that there will be no meeting of the minds on this particular subject. Enjoy the show tonight.

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  70. Shannon17 March 2015 at 23:33

    I sure am not. I'm accepting it for what it is. For what it has been and what it remains to be. I didn't have a problem with Iris dating Eddie. I wasn't sitting there waiting for them to break up. I let that play out. BUT i was waiting for Iris to recognize her feelings, which she has yet to do. Same goes for Barry and Linda, yes they're cute together, and i like Linda, but we all know it wasn't going to last long. So it's really a moot point. (TBH, i would've liked to see more Barry/Eddie bonding moments) The writers aren't slowing down, they're not going to drag this out. Honestly i could've waited til season 2 for any Barry/Iris relationship, but that doesn't seem to be the case, and yes i am relieved about that, b/c it's refreshing to have a relationship going w/o having to wait 3,4,5,7, seasons to make it happen. And yes you and I clearly won't be agreeing on this subject. That we can agree on. That occured to me awhile ago. And with 30 min to go, i become more excited by the second. I will definitely enjoy it. Same to you.

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  71. AnnoDomini18 March 2015 at 00:13

    This is all part of this vulnerable take of Ollie though, and I get it, but I agree...after all of this is over, Ollie needs to snap out of it. I understand the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" position, but enough's enough when this arc is done with.

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  72. Jon18 March 2015 at 00:18

    Oliver needs to start cooking his famous chili!

    http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Green_Arrow's_Chili

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  73. Graydon18 March 2015 at 02:14

    No. If he's like Zoom he'll be full on crazy. Having hallucinations, a warped sense of reality. He'll be the bad guy. No working with the hero, or anyone. Zoom's the kinda villain who will kill your loved ones without remorse to make you be a better hero. He's an anti-villain i the sense that he'll do any awful deed imaginable to make The Flash a better hero. He's pretty damn cool. Unlike Professor Zoom who is basically the biggest fanboy ever, turned jealous asshole who wants to be The Flash and will vindictively kill anyone related to Barry just to make him suffer.

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  74. Koky18 March 2015 at 02:18

    Interesting. Did you see the Flash episode?

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  75. Graydon18 March 2015 at 03:08

    Yeah that was awesome. Surprised he's straight up Eobard Thawne. But the reveal was so ridiculously awesome. Shame basically everything in the lat half will be erased by time travel.

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  76. Koky18 March 2015 at 03:16

    I know I was surprised too. You want Cisco to stay dead?

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  77. Graydon18 March 2015 at 03:19

    No. God no. I mean if you asked me that question ten episodes ago I'd say yes, but now? F*ck no.

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  78. Koky18 March 2015 at 03:24

    The problem now is that I can't stand Wells. How I'm going to look at his face for the rest of the season. Also I can't look at Cisco without my heart breaking. What's even worse is that no one will ever know.

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  79. Graydon18 March 2015 at 03:33

    Give it a few episodes Barry will know (if the paleyfest trailer is any indication). That's what makes me love Thawne as a villain, he's an utter monster with no regard for anyone but himself. It's gonna be so great. It's gonna be tough the dramatic irony of knowing who and what he is and is capable of. The good thing is Wells' is now far more predictable.

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  80. Koky18 March 2015 at 03:43

    I used to dislike him but he had one or two redeeming qualities so I didn't really hate him but now he's become the Malcolm Merlyn of the Flash.

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  81. Graydon18 March 2015 at 03:51

    Fair, I have a love to hate relationship with Professor Zoom (even have t-shirt). Oh trust me he makes Malcolm Merlyn at his worst look good. (I get the comparison, I just really want to emphasize how evil he is). In the comics he once forced Barry to basically shatter the timeline of the universe causing millions upon millions to die in an awful apocalyptic war all to erase him from existence and torture him some more.

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  82. O D A18 March 2015 at 05:02

    We have a wiki page for Green Arrow's chili. Lol. That photo there. Batman and superman are taking it like champs. Oliver's apron "kiss the cook". I will gladly do that if show's Oliver is the one cooking.

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  83. O D A18 March 2015 at 05:06

    That is the problem for me. He is not considering Malcolm as an enemy. He is looking at Malcolm as Thea's father. If his decision to protect Malcolm came from a logical place I would be with him but it is an emotional decision on the show and that's what annoys me. MY sister needs her only parent. She will regret Malcolm's death. Malcolm protects Thea. He will not hurt her. Blah blah blah. There should be no emotional softness towards Malcolm from Oliver's side. there should only be distrust.

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  84. AnnoDomini18 March 2015 at 16:37

    Well now he's looking at Malcolm as Thea's father, but I think when he came to Malcolm about being trained, it definitely felt like "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" kind of take, but surely in just "Nanda Parbat" Ollie did treat Malcolm as Thea's father and one of the sole purposes of even rescuing Malcolm was to save Thea's soul.


    Funny enough, I went back through season one and I am actually surprised by how little Ollie has been so depressed and bummed out in this season. This really only started, with Ollie's vulnerability being portrayed, since he returned in "Uprising" and moreso in "Canaries". I thought it was for many, many episodes, but it's really not that bad with how Ollie has acted so far. Like anything else, it's been steady and natural.

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  85. AnnoDomini18 March 2015 at 16:38

    I've been saying Ollie needs to host dinners for "Team Arrow" and Ollie could introduce his famous chili, lol.

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  86. O D A18 March 2015 at 21:29

    In episode 4 Oliver's decision to let Malcolm go free was because of his claims that he is trying to protect Thea. Why would he want someone like Malcolm to be in Thea's life. Oliver should have put Malcolm in that cage in the Arrow cave right then. That is not treating him like an enemy. From episode 4 on wards Oliver is seeing Malcolm as Thea's father.

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  87. AnnoDomini18 March 2015 at 22:58

    He was always trying to protect Thea but I think only after the winter finale, it felt more like Ollie is viewing Malcolm as Thea's father, imo.

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  88. O D A19 March 2015 at 05:06

    In episode 4 in the scene at the boulevard between Malcolm and Oliver I felt Oliver's resolve fading in putting away Malcolm as soon as he told about saving Thea and looking after her from afar. That's when all this change of attitude started imo. He started believing Malcolm has Thea's best interest at heart. And I just can't get behind that. He should have known better.

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  89. AnnoDomini19 March 2015 at 16:51

    I just previously watch "The Magician" and while Ollie did view Malcolm as Thea's father, he viewed Malcolm as a threat still...moreso than as of lately with coming back from his duel with Ra's. They even felt like buddies during last night's episode, which sucked. But hey, we can rejoice a bit because we saw Ollie actually smile.

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  90. O D A19 March 2015 at 17:33

    I have huge issues with Malcolm's plot from last season finale onwards. There is no point discussing that mess. This episode felt like great season 1 episode where there is a huge thematic element and almost every character is going through different forms of same issue. So many daddy issues this episode. Loved to see Oliver a bit lighter.

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  91. AnnoDomini19 March 2015 at 19:41

    I think the water becomes murky because of how Ollie feels about family and that has branched onto Malcolm, which sucks.


    Indeed, this episode was good....minus the flashbacks. I feel like Shado's return would've been more impactful if the rest of the flashbacks were more impactful. Also, Murmur has the villain even makes sense as it can be compared to Lance giving Arrow the silent treatment basically.


    I hope Ollie can smile more the rest of the season. And then he can actually show Felicity that yes, he does dance, lol.

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  92. O D A19 March 2015 at 19:54

    I really liked this episode. There were certain nitpicky stuff. Malcolm was the top of the list. Otherwise it was very good. I saw Shado and was surprised but promptly forgot that after one minute LOL. They need to show flashbacks in batches next season onwards. Show a big flashback with moving story one or two episodes then take a break for few episodes then again continue. As a whole HongKong flashbacks are not bad. But they are so stretched out it has become boring.


    Even if not smile much his opening up to Diggle and Felicity made me take a breath of relief. It is always better for us audience when Oliver talk his issues with these two. There is a trust and pure friendship between these three characters that somehow the show is unable to replicate with others. Not between Thea and Laurel, Felicity and Roy or even Thea and Roy. I can see such a relationship happening between Nyssa and Laurel but how long can it last.

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  93. AnnoDomini19 March 2015 at 23:02

    As a whole, I have been a huge fan of the HK flashbacks, especially when even the little things ties to the man episode thematics. What is shown in this episode had literally nothing to do with the episode's theme.

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