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27 Mar 2015

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  1. San Summer27 March 2015 at 21:09

    If Sam and Cas taking part in a séance will allow them to talk to Bobby, wouldn’t Sam and Dean want to contact their dad who is supposed to be in Heaven?

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  2. Ginger27 March 2015 at 21:10

    My prediction: Rowena suckers Dean and we get more and more Rowena up until the finale. I'm not real excited about this one, because I think it will be another episode carried by support characters. I'm looking forward to this season be done with.

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  3. sharonally27 March 2015 at 21:16

    It is Supernatural that is too complicated for the writers to think of.

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  4. KatAdams0327 March 2015 at 21:38

    John isn't in Heaven. Neither is Mary, Ellen, or Jo according to Ash in "Darkside of the Moon." Ash didn't even know that Ellen and Jo had died. He said that he looked for Mary and John, but he hadn't found them. Mary and John were both spirits when they moved on, so they must have gone where dead spirits go.


    (Unless, Mary doesn't exist anymore, which is a possibility because Missouri Mosley said that Mary destroyed herself going up against the poltergeist. I don't know what she meant by that and the show has never explained beyond that. However, Death said a soul couldn't be broken. So, there is a chance is just where the dead things go.)

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  5. Gustavo Silva27 March 2015 at 21:39

    Ash don't found John and Mary in heaven

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  6. San Summer27 March 2015 at 21:40

    And it looks like they have Bobby’s hat on the table! Sam and Dean still have a bunch of stuff that belonged to John.

    Shouldn’t Sam and Dean be worried if no one has seen John and Mary in Heaven?

    Maybe that psychic will get killed so he can’t help them further but since they have now met three psychics (Missouri, Pamela and the man in the pictures), the chance to contact their parents should be motivation enough for Sam and Dean to try to track down someone else.

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  7. Ambar Moreno Candelas27 March 2015 at 21:48

    OMG! :O I can´t wait for this episode! :D This going to be AWESOME! ♥

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  8. San Summer27 March 2015 at 22:00

    I’d like to know why Castiel hasn’t commented on John and Mary’s whereabouts. Angels guard the souls in Heaven and

    6.20 The Man Who Would Be King

    Castiel: Of course, there isn't one heaven. Each soul generates its own paradise. I favored the eternal Tuesday afternoon of an autistic man who drowned in a bathtub in 1953.

    So Castiel should be able to find John and Mary if they are in Heaven. Maybe Castiel just hasn’t bothered to go through the trouble?

    5.16 Dark Side of the Moon

    Sam: So there’re two heavens?
    Ash: No. More like a hundred billion. So, no worries, it’ll take those angels boys a minute to catch up.

    And shouldn’t Sam and Castiel be interested in talking to Abel? Cain made a deal with Lucifer so Abel’s soul should have ended up in Heaven.

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  9. Ross27 March 2015 at 22:21

    Supernatural: Plot holes. Plot holes everywhere!

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  10. kodiak bear27 March 2015 at 22:46

    I think Rowena has captured the rare spot in my heart as the least enjoyed SPN guest star. Ugh. Not happy to see more of this...

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  11. Kevin27 March 2015 at 22:52

    Looks like we're getting a LOT of Rowena in the rest of the season. Possibly every episode now. That really stinks. Worse character on any show I have seen.

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  12. San Summer27 March 2015 at 22:57

    Neither is Mary, Ellen, or Jo according to Ash in "Darkside of the Moon." Ash didn't even know that Ellen and Jo had died.

    Ash hadn’t been looking for Ellen and Jo but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t in Heaven.

    7.07 The Mentalists

    [The museum guide grabs Dean’s arm.]



    Museum guide: I’m sorry, I don't normally do this during business hours, but do you know an Eleanor... or an Ellen? She seems quite concerned about you. She wants to tell you -- pardon me -- if you don't tell someone how bad it really is, she'll kick your ass from beyond. You have to trust someone again eventually.

    So it seems that Ellen is still around. In 7.04 Defending Your Life, Jo appeared in spirit form. I’m not sure what that is supposed to mean in terms of where her soul ended up after she died.

    Mary* and John were both spirits when they moved on, so they must have gone where dead spirits go. (Bobby only made it to heaven because of the trials.)

    If Bobby had escaped from Hell through a Devil’s Gate instead of riding out with Sam, would Bobby have appeared in the same form as John did instead of being a ball of light?

    It seems that John, Mary etc. should have ended up in Heaven on principle but if and when there is doubt, shouldn’t the brothers be looking into it?

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  13. AnnoDomini27 March 2015 at 23:57

    Cas is an angel.....so why are they having a seance to speak to someone in Heaven?

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  14. AnnoDomini27 March 2015 at 23:59

    Would they ever want to contact John and Mary just because? Yah, sure, but Sam is at least focused for something and Bobby knew so much about the lore that he could be helpful, much more than John.

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  15. AnnoDomini28 March 2015 at 00:01

    Ash could have also just not been looking for Ellen, Jo, John and Mary. Especially when he also said he hasn't found John and Mary yet, so the same could be said that he also just never looked for Ellen and Joe seeing as he didn't even know they died.

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  16. AnnoDomini28 March 2015 at 00:03

    What exactly would Abel know that could help Sam, though?

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  17. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 00:24

    I can name a few others on Supernatural, but she's definitely up there.

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  18. San Summer28 March 2015 at 00:53

    5.16 Dark Side of the Moon

    Ash: I’ve been looking all over for John Winchester, Mary too, but so far: nada. I’m sorry. --- ---

    It’d make sense for Ash to have trouble finding John and Mary due to how many different heavens there are. However, Zachariah found Sam and Dean pretty easily so if Castiel put his mind into it, he should be able to verify whether or not John and Mary are in Heaven.

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  19. KatAdams0328 March 2015 at 01:27

    Yes, you are correct that the show has never explicitly stated that Ellen and Jo. I assumed based on the evidence like as you said "The Mentalists" and "Defending Your Life" and the idea that spirits are born out of violent deaths. However, you are correct that the show has never stated that they are not in Heaven. The only thing we know for sure is that Ash didn't know they were dead.


    As for whether or not they should have ended up in Heaven, Mary and John most likely didn't have a reaper for their death, which based on the show means that they are somewhere in the veil (however, that has been drop plot point for a while). Mary destroyed herself in "Home" according to Missouri, but it was never defined as what that actually meant. John made deal with a demon to go to Hell and escape, but again, the show never showed what happened next for John. There is no way of knowing without the show going into further.


    I think the brothers have accepted their parents death. They know that they aren't in Hell and I think they have played around with death enough for them to not want to open that box. However, again, no explicit knowledge.

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  20. KatAdams0328 March 2015 at 01:44

    While this is just my personal opinion, I think the reason Castiel hasn't gone looking for John and Mary is because once he fell after season four, he no longer had the power to go looking for them. He said in "Darkside of the Moon" that achieving the connection to Heaven was very difficult for him. Then when he was back in Heaven for season six, he was busy fighting a civil war. I don't think he ever saw the need for looking for John and Mary's Heavens.


    The other angels may have not looked as well, but we do know that the angels did catch up with Sam and Dean fairly quickly. Zachariah used Mary's image to torture Dean, which is another reason I don't think Mary is in Heaven, because I think if Zachariah had access to the real thing, he would have used it (especially, considering how important they believed John and Mary were including sending a cupid to insure they would get together, "My Bloody Valentine." Ash also mention he was able to tap into Angel radio. He was able to figure out what the angels were up to and helped the brothers on several occasions when they died and went to Heaven.


    I think you have a point about talking to Abel would be a good idea. I think if they understood what Lucifer really wanted from Abel in the first place since Cain didn't really know, then they might have a idea about what the mark really means. Also, it may have been a way to get rid of the mark. Cain said that the deal was for Abel's place in Heaven, Cain would take a place in Hell. Well, if Abel was pulled out of Heaven, then the deal is broken and Cain should be released from his deal.

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  21. KatAdams0328 March 2015 at 01:56

    Ash found Pamela Barnes. He was able to travel to several different Heavens and listen to the angel radio. So, it is difficult to know for absolute sure if it was just a question that he hasn't of reached them or if they aren't in Heaven.


    However, given the fact that Mary didn't go with her original reaper and John went to Heaven, it is difficult to know if it is possible for a soul to reach heaven without a reaper. However, anything regarding the veil has been dropped for now.


    I guess I should have not been as forwarded. However, I think there is evidence that suggests that none of them are in Heaven especially, since the angels were not above using moms as baits (Zachariah using Mary's image for Dean and tempting Adam with reuniting with mom). I think if John and Mary had been in Heaven during the time of "Dark Side of the Moon" they would have used them against the Winchesters.

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  22. Matty28 March 2015 at 02:03

    why are villains being so overused these days, look at early seasons meg, yellow eyed, lillith, barely even appeared more than 4 episodes throughout a season.

    Why is it, they get too overused these days appearing so often.

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  23. Robanah28 March 2015 at 02:17

    Best guess is because he is on borrowed grace and he is trying to use as little angel power as possible so that he doesn't burn out and dir

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  24. San Summer28 March 2015 at 02:23

    I agree that there has always seemed to be more pressing matters for Castiel to attend to. But if Bobby has found other people he knew when he was alive (like Rufus) or Ash found him and reintroduced him to people like Pamela then John and Mary being unaccounted for should really start to bother Sam and Dean.

    Zachariah used Mary's image to torture Dean, which is another reason I don't think Mary is in Heaven, because I think if Zachariah had access to the real thing, he would have used it (especially, considering how important they believed John and Mary were including sending a cupid to insure they would get together, "My Bloody Valentine."

    It’s also possible that tormenting a soul in Heaven is strictly verboten. Although Zachariah did punch Dean and would have probably done a lot worse than that if he had had the opportunity…

    Also, it may have been a way to get rid of the mark. Cain said that the deal was for Abel's place in Heaven, Cain would take a place in Hell. Well, if Abel was pulled out of Heaven, then the deal is broken and Cain should be released from his deal.

    Good point!

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  25. KatAdams0328 March 2015 at 02:53

    I'm not sure if Sam and Dean being trouble by it. In the episode of "Roadkill" Dean didn't care about what happened to the spirits after they died, so it might be something they try not to think about it. I do think the brothers should have been troubled by the idea of their parents not being founded by Ash, but I also think they should have done something about Adam. I think that it is something they should address.

    I don't think there are any torment or torture restrictions in Heaven. Castiel and Anna were tortured in season four/five. And there was a lot of corruption in Heaven with Raphael, Michael, and Zachariah at the top of the list. Zachariah took away Sam's lungs and gave Dean stomach cancer, so I think it is safe to say if Zachariah didn't have to worry about the vessel, he would have extremely unpleasant to Dean.

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  26. San Summer28 March 2015 at 02:58

    I assumed based on the evidence like as you said "The Mentalists" and "Defending Your Life" and the idea that spirits are born out of violent deaths.

    Ellen and Jo died natural deaths i.e. they hadn’t made crossroads deals and they accepted their fate so I think that their souls should have gone to Heaven (unless someone intercepted them like Crowley did with Bobby’s soul).

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  27. AnnoDomini28 March 2015 at 03:15

    But he's still an angel though. Heaven is his home, lol. Unless he hasn't actually be traveling to Heaven as of late.

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  28. AnnoDomini28 March 2015 at 03:19

    You've only listed three people, two of them that were just sent to Heaven and traveling the Axis Mundi while not "living" their special Heaven. So when you really think about it, Ash has only brought back one person with him, which was Pamela. And even in Ash's own words, he spent a lot of time checking out his idols. More proof that just shows he just hasn't been able to locate John and Mary and that's enough proof to just say "Okay, well that makes sense."


    Also, I think it adds to Sam and Dean being the firs to tell Ash that Ellen and Jo are dead. He never looked for them; the people he talked about and him bringing Pamela over, he did look for them(I believe he mentioned Andre the Giant too).

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  29. KatAdams0328 March 2015 at 03:19

    I don't think it matters if you have accepted your fate or had demon deals. Ultimately what makes a spirit is whether the individual left with their reaper. The show has never explained what it meant for Ellen and Jo's appearance in "The Mentalists" and "Defending Your Life" in terms of their final resting place.

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  30. AnnoDomini28 March 2015 at 03:21

    That's if Sam and Dean ever wanted to ask Cas that. So far, they haven't wanted to.

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  31. San Summer28 March 2015 at 03:28

    I don't think there are any torment or torture restrictions in Heaven.

    Yes, angels can be tortured in Heaven and angels can hurt the humans on earth. But the thing is that while the angels are in Heaven, they are likely restricted in terms of what they can do to the souls. Otherwise Heaven would be no different from Hell.

    On the other hand, Castiel did try to create new souls to use in a war against Raphael… (6.17 My Heart Will Go On)

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  32. KatAdams0328 March 2015 at 03:32

    I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree. There is simply not enough evidence within the show to completely prove one way or another. We know that Ash said that he was able to learn Enochian and use special symbols to travel to individual Heavens and listen in to the conversations on angel radio, which seems to be more than what any other human could do. We do know that he was able to pull Pamela, Sam ,and Dean from their heaven to his heaven (which is something he had done on more than one occasion for the brothers. He may have only known about their deaths because of the angel radio listening.).


    He did spent time checking his idols, but he had also been in Heaven for about two/three years. (Naturally, we don't know if Heaven time is like Hell time, so there is no way of knowing how long he had been figuring out the inner workings of Heaven.) The only things that are certain is that Ash had not found John and Mary and the angels never used their souls as leverage on Sam and Dean to say yes.

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  33. San Summer28 March 2015 at 03:40

    Ultimately what makes a spirit is whether the individual left with their reaper.

    I think that Ellen and Jo accepting their deaths means that they would go with their reapers. At the moment of their deaths, their thought processes seemed to be very different from Dean’s in 2.01 In My Time of Dying or from Bobby’s in 7.10 Death's Door.

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  34. KatAdams0328 March 2015 at 03:56

    One of the biggest questions of the show is what is the difference between angels and demons? The show tends to go with the theme that Heaven and Hell are just products of what something makes them into. Individual heavens are created by their inhabitants and Hell is molded by whoever is in charge.


    For the most part, angels have been shown to be just as corrupt as demons at some points, they only use being good as a way of masking and justifying their crimes. Many angels have shown a lot of hatred and resentment towards humans.I think Castiel, Anna (before "The Song Remains the Same"), and Gabriel are the only angels to seem to actually like humans. (I think one could argue for Metatron; he likes their stories.) We know that Uriel was able to turn several angels because of his hatred of humans in "A Head of a Pin" and killed those who said they wouldn't join him.


    We have never learn what the rules are for angels and human interaction. I think the only rules about interactions is that the vessel has to say "yes" and they were not allowed to take vessels until September 18, 2008 when they return to Earth after an undisclosed time period. I think the rest of the rules are only "follow orders and don't question."


    Personally, I think if the angels are willing to start an apocalypse because they're tired and use souls as weapons in a war, then I wouldn't put torture passed them. (I don't think it's common if it does happen, only something they do when they want something.) However, they use souls as their power source, so they may not want to hurt their power source, which is something they covet. But then souls can't be broken or destroyed. Then the only difference between Heaven and Hell is that Hell at least has an escape from its torment by becoming a demon. (That's a very depressing dark thought!) Again, just speculation. Not fact or cannon.

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  35. KatAdams0328 March 2015 at 04:07

    Well, they did have plenty of reapers to go with in "Abandon All Hope." I don't think Jo and Ellen would have any reasons to not to go with their reapers, but the episodes of "The Mentalists" and "Defending Your Life" muddle what happened to them, which makes me personally question if they are in Heaven.


    How was the psychic able to contact Ellen if she wasn't in a spirit world? Was he able to connect to individuals in Heaven? Could Osiris pull people out of Heaven for the trial? If he could, then shouldn't Heaven be more secure to protect souls? Maybe this episode will help to explain if Heaven is somewhere where you can still talk and communication with or if it is a beyond psychic connection.

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  36. San Summer28 March 2015 at 04:25

    Not even “just because”. The brothers didn’t react after finding out that Ash had been searching for John and Mary unsuccessfully. Sam and Castiel will get in contact with Bobby, who is in Heaven, so if there still isn’t going to be any news about John or Mary, the Winchesters should find it suspect enough to look into it (at least after the mark of Cain stuff gets sorted out).

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  37. San Summer28 March 2015 at 04:33

    How was the psychic able to contact Ellen if she wasn't in a spirit world?

    It seems that Ellen initiated the contact.

    Could Osiris pull people out of Heaven for the trial? If he could, then shouldn't Heaven be more secure to protect souls?

    Apparently, Crowley was powerful enough to pull Samuel Winchester from Heaven.

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  38. KatAdams0328 March 2015 at 04:50

    Okay, Ellen initiated the contact, but it still doesn't explain where she is or show where she is. Can souls contact individuals from Heaven? We never learned about what communications are possible for souls in Heaven. Ash needed special symbols, but we don't know if souls can communication with the living in Heaven. Maybe this shows it is possible. I don't know.


    As for Crowley, he was working with Castiel at that point. In "The Man Who Would Be King," Crowley said he knew of "big bald patriarch he could pull of the bench." He didn't say from where. Samuel said he was in Heaven, but I don't trust anything he says. We do know that demons can only resurrect someone when a deal is made and they can pull individuals from Heaven then. So, Castiel's deal with Crowley to get the souls from Purgatory gave Crowley the power to pull Samuel. Osiris didn't make any deals. Maybe he is more powerful than demons, but is he more powerful than the King of Hell?

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  39. AnnoDomini28 March 2015 at 05:02

    Yah, it would be "just because". There is no reason to try and contact someone in Heaven, even if it is your parents, because there has never been a time for them to just meet up with them. They've always been either on a chase or being chase, just like in "Dark Side of the Moon".

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  40. San Summer28 March 2015 at 05:05

    I think that an angel torturing a human soul in Heaven would be crossing the line, there would be no coming back. Humans are supposed to “rest forever in the fields of the Lord”. But Zachariah did use violence on Dean in 5.16 Dark Side of the Moon so maybe there is some leeway.

    We have never learn what the rules are for angels and human interaction. I think the only rules about interactions is that the vessel has to say "yes" and they were not allowed to take vessels until September 18, 2008 when they return to Earth after about 2000 years. I think the rest of the rules are only "follow orders and don't question."

    There is at least two more :)

    8.02 What's Up, Tiger Mommy?

    Crowley: If it's souls that you're after, I can give you a million souls.
    Dean: Hey, flyboy, are you gonna get in on this?
    Samandriel: We guard the souls in Heaven. We don't horse-trade them.

    8.22 Clip Show

    Castiel: What? No, she's... She's just a girl.
    Metatron: No, she isn't. She's a Nephilim, an abomination.
    Castiel: She's the offspring of an angel and a human? I thought that wasn't allowed.
    Metatron: It's not. There's only one on Earth, and you are looking at it.

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  41. AnnoDomini28 March 2015 at 05:06

    I can definitely agree to disagree, especially when I would argue that we have been given enough proof in the show that those four are indeed in Heaven, but circumstances were sly with us not seeing them in certain moments like in "Dark Side of the Moon".


    Also, the angels were never going to use anyone's soul in the first place. Lucifer said he'd never trick Sam and Zachariah and Michael decided to go to "Plan B" with Adam. Using John or Mary's soul was really never on the table, nor mentioned.

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  42. KatAdams0328 March 2015 at 05:09

    I don't think of it as leeway as much as corruption and the angels have lost their way and haven't had a strong leader to guide them.


    And thanks! I forgot those two! (Honestly, I haven't really had the heart to rewatch season eight. I find it very disappointing.)

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  43. KatAdams0328 March 2015 at 05:20

    That's fine. I do hope the show does eventually address what happened with them. I would like to see all of them again.


    The angels used Adam as leverage and Adam's mom as leverage, but they only spoke about her, they never showed her soul in any danger. They never intended for Adam to be Michael's vessel until Dean killed Zachariah. They used Adam as bait for Dean and then Zachariah tortured Sam and Adam until Dean said "yes" in "Point of No Return." I consider that as using someone souls against the brothers and I think they would have done that with John and Mary if they had them in Heaven , but again, we will just have to agree to disagree.

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  44. San Summer28 March 2015 at 05:44

    Yes, it is corruption. I meant leeway in terms of Zachariah being able to abuse Dean also physically while Dean was in Heaven. So maybe the angel could have tormented Mary instead of just using her memory to torment the brothers.

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  45. San Summer28 March 2015 at 05:57

    My point is that it would not be just about them wanting to see their parents. If Sam will get to talk to Bobby but there still hasn’t been any sign of John and Mary, I think that the brothers would have a reason to investigate further because of the family’s history.

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  46. ParadiseHeat28 March 2015 at 12:33

    Good point about Abel. I wonder then how that could also work in Sam and Dean's favour. What if Sam can guarantee his souls is Hell bound I mean actual concrete proof/no saving it? Would that break the MOC curse and free Dean from it?

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  47. ParadiseHeat28 March 2015 at 12:34

    But what exactly would Bobby know that could help?

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  48. San Summer28 March 2015 at 15:20

    What if Sam can guarantee his souls is Hell bound I mean actual concrete proof/no saving it? Would that break the MOC curse and free Dean from it?

    Interesting! Sam did try to trade places with Dean the summer Dean was in Hell but no demon would deal. Maybe this time around there would be someone powerful enough who would accept the offer. The King of Hell? Crowley could agree to it as a “friend” because he has grown to like the Winchesters on a somewhat human level. So he might want to have Dean back to normal and not have Sam killed by Dean. But why did Crowley want Dean to have the mark of Cain in the first place? What would be “the perfect Hell” that Crowley was talking about?

    Do you mean Sam would have to do something to corrupt himself?

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  49. CyanaT28 March 2015 at 15:42

    He returned Metatron to Angel Ingrid in a rough shape after promising Metatron wouldn't be harmed; maybe Heaven's put Cas temporarily in 'time out" (from Heaven).

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  50. CyanaT28 March 2015 at 15:51

    JMO, but I'd take the Leviathans as 'big bads' over Rowena's OTT campiness any day. At least the most of the Leviathans were well-written and generally equal parts amusing and horrifying - I mean one of many people's greatest fears is being eaten alive. I cringe every time Rowena opens her mouth - still - and that's really bad since I really the show has been establishing her as one of the BB's this season.

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  51. CyanaT28 March 2015 at 16:11

    @AnnoDomini , @ParadiseHeat - that's what I'm wondering. SoulBobby wouldn't know anything about getting rid of the Mark unless he pulled some earthly out of his you-know-what. Possibly Abel might know more so Cas & Sam might send soulBobby to 'locate' Abel. SoulAsh would be a better choice IF Sam & Cas want to locate Abel but Chad L might not have available and JB was. If the promo 'Bobby' was in a area with a lot of people - maybe they were all souls their loved ones were trying to contact. Other than that I have no idea why Cas & Sam would want to contact 'Bobby'.

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  52. AnnoDomini28 March 2015 at 16:19

    It's a possibility. Either that, or Cas indeed isn't trying to go from Earth to Heaven a whole lot.

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  53. AnnoDomini28 March 2015 at 16:20

    Bobby may actually know about the lore of the Mark of Cain, or at least something to point into the right direction. I don't think Abel would know anything except for what Sam and Dean already know of Cain making a deal with Lucifer.

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  54. AnnoDomini28 March 2015 at 16:25

    Sort of disagree. I agree there will be a reason when we ever see John again, but I don't think nothing has given the boys to actually look for their parents. So far, we only know of Ash who couldn't find their parents; that doesn't really say anything's wrong because there are a billion different Heavens.


    It would be nice if Bobby tells Sam he saw John and Mary, though.

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  55. AnnoDomini28 March 2015 at 16:27

    After JDM said he really wants to return after showing up at the Vegas Con, I see no reason why they wouldn't think of a storyline in using John again. I have no doubt about that.


    Adam's mom's soul never had to be in danger because of how quick Adam agree to being Michael's vessel.

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  56. CyanaT28 March 2015 at 18:12

    I hope there's more to it (Cas not going to Heaven himself). Sam can't enter Heaven in a living, human body, otherwise the Wnchesters and Cas could have just spoken to Metatron in Heaven's jail. Cas can go to Heaven to look for 'Bobby's Heaven' himself - there must be some kind of 'Heaven Directory' where each soul's 'Heaven" is located. .
    Maybe Cas & Sam are not looking for any specific 'soul' (besides Abel and we don't know if he knows anything about removing the MoC) just putting out an APB for info concerning knowledge of the MoC.(?)
    Metatron said he knew all about the 'cure' but he was blackmailing Dean for giving it up piece by piece - and more importantly he may have been lying. He certainly seems to be cowering in the one promo scene. Maybe after 'failing' to get anything useful from Metatron,,that's when Cas finds the psychic so and Sam can contact souls in Heaven.

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  57. San Summer28 March 2015 at 19:16

    Maybe Cas & Sam are not looking for any specific 'soul' (besides Abel and we don't know if he knows anything about removing the MoC) and are just putting out an 'APB' for info concerning knowledge of the MoC.(???)

    4.01 Lazarus Rising

    Pamela: Right. Take each other's hands. And I need to touch something our mystery monster touched.

    The psychic in the pictures doesn’t need to do that but they do have Bobby’s hat inside the circle so they wanted to contact him specifically.

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  58. AnnoDomini28 March 2015 at 20:21

    Well Sam could always just write down his questions for Bobby and have Cas go up there to ask Bobby himself, lol. But I hope you're right in that there's more to it to why Castiel, an angel, is having a seance to speak to someone in Heaven. I am totally fine with the series not mentioning about the angels fixing it so that souls can move on because I thought it would've made sense anyways with the angels capturing Metatron as well as the opening of Gabriel's Horn.

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  59. CyanaT28 March 2015 at 22:07

    You're right. Sorry, I didn't notice Bobby's hat ... and the psychic doesn't need to touch and hold Bobby's hat either, he's just using the hat as a focal point just as you said.

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  60. CyanaT28 March 2015 at 22:28

    Maybe - I use that term a lot, *g* - Sam & Cas are keeping as their 'contact' as unobtrusive as possible to protect Dean. I assume it's not widely known in Heaven that Dean has the MoC and if the angels in Heaven know they may want to kill him by any means possible. I don't assume that Heaven is fully open yet, but Bobby's soul was rescued from Hell and sent on to Heaven just before the angels were cast out. I just can't think of what Bobby knows that Sam. Dean and Cas haven't found out themselves about the MoC.

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  61. ParadiseHeat29 March 2015 at 19:57

    My guess would be that Cas cant get into heaven for whatever reason but Sam and Cas contact Bobby on the other side and get him to speak to Abel. That expands the mythology without including Sam and having Bobby actually have a reason to appear in the episode. I dont think Sam's role in the episode will be any more than it was in the previous myth arc episodes this season so it makes sense that they would want to make sure that the whole Sam/Abel connection isnt really an issue and they wouldnt want Sam to interact with a character that might be important.

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  62. Golfluvr1330 March 2015 at 19:12

    UGH! Another episode with the worthless rowena in it.

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  63. CyanaT30 March 2015 at 22:41

    I still don't know what Bobby would know that can't be found in the MoL but whatev' *g*. This episode set up to further the Cas & Sam interaction (because Sam can't possibly research it all by himself RME) and give as you said an excuse to bring JB back for an episode because these writers now- even the Sam-friendly Dabb - can't seem to put 15 minutes of exclusively "Sam dialog" together. But they can and do for Dean.
    You're likely right and the show has no interest in Sam/Abel parallels besides what Cain told Dean in 9.11 and 10.14, heck they didn't even have Sam say more than a few words to Cain in 10.14 despite Sam cheerleading for Cain's restraint in several previous episodes. I doubt that the show will have Sam 'making contact' with SoulAbel any time soon. (I'd love to wrong).
    Bobby may have a few tips that Sam & Cas can try but nothing will work yet.
    Jared said at #SeaCon that Sam would go darker (in his pursuit to save Dean, I imagine) but he didn't say when Sam would start getting more desperate to try anything. I imagine after 10.20 Angel Heart when Claire :P returns.

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