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19 Mar 2015

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94 comments:

  1. Ambar Moreno Candelas19 March 2015 at 01:59

    Great episode of Supernatural. I really enjoyed it! Love those puppy eyes of Sam when he killed the man. But Cole, please, TAKE A SHOWER, WASH YOUR MOUTH!!!! I'm glad that Dean never wanted to kill him, even when he is a hunter. My poor Sammy, trying to save all the people! My Winchester brothers are my hero without super powers :D

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  2. Misty Pebworth19 March 2015 at 02:08

    Feeling over killed on the whole message that Sam can't save Dean. I got the point many lectures ago, stop restating it!
    Also, annoyed Sam appeared scared when facing Kit. Sam has faced far scarier. Not sure what that was about and it was out of character.

    Other then that, I liked this episode. I really did like it. But the Sam being scared thing was the most annoying. As though he hasn't brrn hunting huge big bands for years.

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  3. BoxManLocke19 March 2015 at 02:10

    Okay I gotta ask, when the boys investigate cases like these, isn't their job to find out what exactly it is they're hunting ? They learn about the victims, the symptoms, even learn it came from Afghanistan. Yet Sam and Dean never bother to hit the lore once to find out what they're up against, so they're at a disadvantage.
    Maybe there was a more effctive way to get the worm out from Kit and Cole. But the Winchesters were dumbed down so we could have a "suspenseful" last quarter of episode.

    Also what was up with Dean being sadistic like that, parading that water bottle around while Cole is suffering ?

    And lastly, since Dean seems to be perfectly okay working cases and his general behaviour is not alarming at all, I don't feel any urgency regarding Sam's quest to "save" Dean. He doesn't look like he needs any saving. But I'm sure he'll blow a fuse and go on a killing spree when the writers will choose to advance the mytharc.

    Apart from that, boring MOTW, 0 character growth and Cole's presence brought nothing.

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  4. MythAl19 March 2015 at 02:26

    That's why I think this MoC storyline is really bad. Dean is acting like nothing is bothering him AT ALL. And watching the preview for 10x16 I don't think that is gonna change. How am I supposed to buy Sam's quest? Why is Sam losing it? My Gosh, this season is a big mess.

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  5. chris68419 March 2015 at 02:29

    He did have an uncontrolled craving for frosting.

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  6. MythAl19 March 2015 at 02:29

    I thought he was scared because he didn't want to kill the guy.

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  7. MythAl19 March 2015 at 02:32

    You're right!!! How did I miss that?? Maybe that's why Cain liked to beekeeping. Honey yummy. =D

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  8. chris68419 March 2015 at 02:34

    Your comment reminded me that they never did find out what the monster was. I'm going with it not being the same worm since it presented differently. There's usually some degree of lore in every episode.

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  9. chris68419 March 2015 at 02:36

    I was annoyed by it too.

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  10. lala219 March 2015 at 02:40

    I couldn't agree more w/you both. This MOC story has been an utter failure b/c Dean has yet to exhibit any ill effects from having the Mark. I'm sure he will in the last few episodes of the season, but they should be building up to the story now. They should have been building up to it all season instead of having Dean behave as he normally does.


    As you both said, there is no urgency to this story or Sam's quest. I actually rolled my eyes at the end of the episode b/c who cares? Dean seems fine w/the Mark so if Sam doesn't save him, it won't really matter anyway!

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  11. les19 March 2015 at 02:45

    I thought it was ok, but I may have enjoyed it more if we was not lagging in the story department. It all comes down to pacing. They lost the ability to tell a story and have filler episodes. So what I do know is skip the fillers in just watch the little plot I do have to make the season seem more balance for me. So in a total SPN is really maybe 12 episodes. lol I wish they can balance the two out. Then I can feel some urgency on whats going on. Shouldn't wait till episode 21 to make things happen.

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  12. chris68419 March 2015 at 02:50

    Diabetes can kill you.

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  13. Robanah19 March 2015 at 03:25

    Was I the only one who noticed that Cole's send off was very similar to Charlie's back in season 7???? I have a feeling he will be back in the next season.... Yay????? Any way, this was an "Okay" episode. I found that Dean taunting him with the water very interesting, leaving me to believe that he is just pretending to be Dean, like soul less Sam was trying to be Sam. But this seemed like it was a very rushed episode. There really wasn't an explanation as to why there was a different breed of Khan worm attacking people, or it really didn't have anything to do with the main story. Usually SPN's filler episodes give you a brief flash of the main story, but not this one at all. It just seemed like it was... well... there! Still, I was glad to see that Cole made it out, and that Dean was there to help him fight through it, aside from taunting him with the water.

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  14. ELI19 March 2015 at 03:53

    I think the thing with the water was for the worm, not for Cole, maybe to make it leave his body faster....

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  15. gabygogo19 March 2015 at 04:01

    I don't think he was being sadistic, I think he was just thirsty, he made the room into a freaking sauna for Cole to sweat it out but Dean was wearing like two layers again in a freaking steam room...I got thirsty just watching them in there

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  16. lala219 March 2015 at 04:01

    Okay . . . so I found this episode to be a bit boring. I know I'm sounding like a broken record at this point, so I will keep it short.


    These writers, IMO, simply can't tell engaging filler anymore. I found myself not caring about Kit or Cole. I felt extremely bad for that poor store clerk though. The key to good filler is caring about the characters, and here, I just didn't.


    I don't like Cole, and I don't care what happens to him. The actor is fine, but the character is no one I like or want to see on screen. When we last saw him, he was prepared to torture and cripple Sam in the most brutal way in order to get to Dean. He disgusts me. I don't believe he has ever even apologized for his actions. I know Sam forgives everyone who does him wrong, but not even acknowledging Cole's torture of Sam was a bit much for me.


    As I said below, the MOC story is just being poorly told IMO. I see Sam all worked up and concerned about the Mark, but I just can't get to that same place. The show has not, IMO, built up the story. As far as I can see, the Mark is not having any impact on Dean so I just can't empathize w/Dean or Sam. I am not concerned about Dean. He has been fine all season and was fine in this episode. Maybe if Dean starts going off the deep end, I'll feel the urgency, but for now, I just roll my eyes at all the angst.


    Yeah . . . that's pretty much it. This entire season has been pretty lackluster and boring to me. I hope something exciting and/or interesting happens soon.

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  17. ivan19 March 2015 at 05:13

    and don't forget Dean still has the Mark, so he definitely can beat it

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  18. BoxManLocke19 March 2015 at 05:13

    I understand he needed to drink, but he could have made a better job at conceiling his drinking, considering Cole's condition. It was tactless at best, and as you can see someone already mistook it as taunting.

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  19. Hellboy19 March 2015 at 05:52

    Considering they thought they were dealing with a Khan worm, there is no lore to research.

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  20. Hellboy19 March 2015 at 06:13

    The reason there was this new Khan worm, was because it was brought back from the Middle East. That was it, they thought it was a Khan worm, turned out to be something different. Sometimes MotW inform on the main mytharc, sometimes they don't.

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  21. Hellboy19 March 2015 at 06:14

    I don't think it was meant to mean anything, I mean Cole sitting next to the fire with a bucket of water pour it on for steam.

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  22. Hellboy19 March 2015 at 06:22

    That basically how the show always been structured, barring season 5 because they thought they were ending, and season 6 because they were juggling multiple storylines. Otherwise, You can easily go into every season and split it right down the middle in regards to myth and MotW,

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  23. BoxManLocke19 March 2015 at 06:33

    They only thought that after they saw the thing, 25 minutes into the episode.
    And clearly it wasn't the same kind they fought before so Dean wasted his time torturing Cole.

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  24. les19 March 2015 at 06:47

    Yeah I know that. But the MOTW back then still had a way to move the story. In I think it's another issues with the quality of the MOTW. Metamorphosis vs Slumber Party. So right now I got no story or no above average fillers.

    Even though that has always been how SPN was structured. I think this regime has such a low tension span they can't balance it out. In they tend to get side track in not develop the stories properly. So what we have here Dean just going to flip out probably in episode 21 in we are going to be wondering what happen in between that filler episode. Not to mention Sam suppose to go dark side. When? We still waiting on his POV to know that tipping point.

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  25. Hellboy19 March 2015 at 07:04

    I didn't think he looked scared. I mean he was being strangled and fighting for his weapon, I don't know how else he should have reacted.

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  26. Hellboy19 March 2015 at 07:11

    But they did research, they throughout theories that it was a rugaru and looked into it being a demon. But they really had nothing to really go on to delve deeper.


    They were aware it attacked different, but it still looked like a Khan worm, so you try what you know first. And that was electrocution.

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  27. sharonally19 March 2015 at 07:15

    There tends to be a tendency on the show that when a character proves popular any harm they did Sam gets handwaved away. Where a right meal is made out of anything Sam does small or large , making it look like Sam is the problem on the show not other characters including Dean.

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  28. Hellboy19 March 2015 at 07:17

    Well, I mean you just gave an example right there of a MotW episode that didn't move the story along with "Metamorphosis." Some did, some didn't. But in this case it can be seen a s more subtle, with Cole and Kit serving as examples of what Sam has in store, he can try saving Dean and succeed, or he can do everything right and still fail.


    Considering the next three episodes are going to tap into the mytharc, I'd say what going on with Dean will be a heavy element.

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  29. les19 March 2015 at 07:47

    I was talking about the quality of the MOTW what we had then versus now. They had a bit more creativity then.

    (Considering the next three episodes are going to tap into the mytharc, I'd say what going on with Dean will be a heavy element.)


    We'll they better get to it cause right they moving at a snail pace.
    Every time we look like we may have something going, boom stand still.

    .

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  30. gabygogo19 March 2015 at 08:31

    Yes, I can see where someone could mistake it for taunting, but let's just think about something really quickly and it's all I'll say on the matter...Dean (although I love the character dearly) does not always think things through and just jumps right into it, hence why he's in the jam he is now with the Mark. Sam's usually the one who thinks it over before jumping in. Nothing wrong with either "tactic" but again, I just don't think Dean "thought" about it right away until he apologized to Cole.

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  31. lala219 March 2015 at 11:15

    I must agree. Sam is cool w/Cole who tortured him and was about to seriously cripple him. He only stopped b/c he got a phone call, and Sam managed to slip away. Sam was cool w/Gadreel. Gad went from psycho angel to friend. Sam never held Cas breaking Sam's mind against him. Sam associates w/Crowley. I know Sam is a chill dude, but come on . . . . it's a little much!

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  32. lala219 March 2015 at 11:17

    Exactly! That is what I expect to see too. Dean will be chill and calm until he suddenly isn't.

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  33. chris68419 March 2015 at 11:50

    This is reminding me more and more of season 7 with Sam and his hand rubs, but at least in season 7 they didn't try to pass it off as the main story. There were other things going on like the leviathans and bobby's death. I agree with you on this being boring. I don't like this shift to Wednesday's. I tried channel surfing but there was nothing else on (didn't want to watch empire yet because I'm not caught up). I ended up watching part of the bionic woman. Lindsay seemed to be trapped in a zombie apocalypse.

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  34. jane19 March 2015 at 12:02

    I’m one of those people who still love the show and I can
    pretty much always find something good I can say about an episode but I’m struggling
    with this one. It was just ok. I’m not a fan of Cole. He tortured Sam and
    tried to kill Dean and now they are just accepting him like he’s a buddy? Also didn’t like him calling them by nicknames,
    no one gets to call Sam “Sammy” except Dean or John. Didn’t like how Sam reacted. He was way too hesitant. If Dean can control the MOC after being
    attacked a couple of time then is there a problem with him keeping it? All in all not one of their stronger episodes
    for me so I’ll just look forward to next week.

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  35. Michele Klinger19 March 2015 at 12:59

    It was definitely a filler for sure, but it was still good. Even though Cole and Dean started off as sworn enemies, Dean let that go and realized Cole was worth saving.Sam also realized that not everyone can be saved, even though this time, the person he couldn't save was just a random stranger and not his brother. I will say that I was not ready for the damn worm! I don't like bugs....they are MY WORST FEAR! So to see worms crawl out of mouths and wiggle around......NO THANKS!

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  36. chris68419 March 2015 at 13:16

    I'm curious where you're getting the next three tying into the mytharc from. The promos for next week look like a case of the week involving a priest, and there's supposed to be an episode where Dean and Cas adopt Claire as their daughter (not sure where that fits in). I'm obviously not caught up on all of the spoilers though.

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  37. CyanaT19 March 2015 at 17:57

    I assume it's going to tie into (in some possible future way) to Dean not knowing what kind of 'monster' Cole's Dad became and that he'd never seen before or since. I think the writers left room in Cole's history and Rick/Kit's different worm storylines for Cole to possibly return next season.

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  38. CyanaT19 March 2015 at 18:02

    Exactly! He wanted to save Kit, not kill him after he heard that Dean was having some success with Cole.

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  39. Indy19 March 2015 at 21:16

    I liked this episode a lot. I'm glad that they didn't kill Cole, because he's currently one of the more interesting characters, IMO.

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  40. Indy19 March 2015 at 21:19

    Blood, sweat and gross parasite worms! It was a 'filler' episode but a good one at that!

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  41. Hellboy19 March 2015 at 23:51

    Usually around this point they have a block of mythology episodes, if not 16-18, then 17-19.

    That Dean and cas adopting Claire is just dumb Destiel bullshit. Claire shows up in episode 20 again, but to what end her involvement is, there's no info. And it sure as hell isn't Dean and Cas adopting her.

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  42. lala220 March 2015 at 00:04

    This MOC story truly puzzles me. I'm not sure why it's being teased but not fleshed out. They've been teasing us w/this crap since last year. The show is in some indefinite holding pattern it seems because nothing is happening!! Is Dean any different with the MOC than w/o it? No. I see no changes in his character or personality so I'm left to wonder what is actually happening w/the Mark and why Sam is so determined to "save" Dean. Save him from what? From potentially going crazy and bloodthirsty? Well, he hasn't yet so what's the problem?

    This story is just failing for me on ALL levels. It is not entertaining. The pacing is abysmal. The worst part is this the ONLY story happening. Cas has no story. Sam has no story (unless his hiding his research is supposed to be a story). And Crowley's story is horrible. Does anyone really care about his mum and her trickery?!?!? I can honestly say I do not!

    What is going on in the writers' room? Do they ever plan to start the season?!?

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  43. lala220 March 2015 at 01:40

    Are you being serious about Cas and Dean adopting Claire?!?!?!?! PLEASE tell me you are joking!

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  44. chris68420 March 2015 at 02:52

    Sorry, I was being a little facetious. The actress who plays Claire has been playing into destiel fantasies of Cas and Dean adopting Claire on Twitter.

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  45. sharonally20 March 2015 at 06:05

    They just are not very good writers. Nice people but just not very good at tv writing and could not write for Sam esp for toffee.

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  46. lala220 March 2015 at 10:57

    Oh, thank goodness! The sad part is I could actually see that happening! Haha!

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  47. Ambar Moreno Candelas20 March 2015 at 12:47

    Yes, I hope that the mark has a solution in this season

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  48. chris68420 March 2015 at 13:43

    OK, thanks

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  49. CyanaT20 March 2015 at 19:13

    Evidently there's been lots of squeeing from the Destiel Fans on twitter & tumblr by the idea of Cas and Dean "co-parenting" Claire together/together. Bleech! I pretty much ignore Claire & the actress's tweets.

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  50. CyanaT20 March 2015 at 19:42

    I was thinking on 'this'. Sam detected something 'off' in Dean's mannerisms at the end of 10.14 and Sam has been really worried that Dean's a ticking time bomb since the end of 10.09. Sam (and Cas)was encouraging Dean to look at how well Cain had handled having the Mark yet giving up killing for for ~ 10.10-10.13.
    Then they (Dean/Sam/Cas found out that Cain had resumed killing and Sam start worrying more about Dean again and acting much like early S7 Dean with respect to Sam - both waiting the 'other shoe to drop'. Then Dean is forced to kill Cain.
    I think that Dean killing Cain with the FB - even though Dean begged Cain to tell him (Dean) he (Cain) would stop/could stop killing - may have sated Dean's Mark enough so Dean's in another 'remission'. Cain spoke of once you bore the Mark there was only 'relapse and remission' (or vice versa). I think that Dean's s chill because he's 'in remission'. However Sam doesn't know anything about what Cain told Dean so he remained 'hyper vigilant'.
    I don't think Dean will stay that way for many episodes. When he killed Knight of Hell Abaddon he didn't need to kill for awhile (Tessa impaled herself and then he attacked Gadreel) but he was puking up blood in the S9 finale. I just hope when Dean 'relapses' again he does more than pick bar fights and kill demons and other baddies no one cares about.

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  51. GemCollector20 March 2015 at 20:44

    I think it would have been much better if they had Dean start stripping off the layers to combat the heat! :)

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  52. Hellboy20 March 2015 at 23:24

    Jenny Klein said it was a type of cousin to the Khan worm, but didn't elaborate beyond that.

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  53. Hellboy20 March 2015 at 23:25

    Yeah, she's becoming a mini-Misha in the way she is baiting the Destiel shippers. It's pretty off putting.

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  54. CyanaT21 March 2015 at 02:48

    I know. I have little respect for her and don't think she's much an actress. Why any writer or Carver/Singer felt bringing Claire back was a good idea is beyond me. It's harsh but that's what think.

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  55. les21 March 2015 at 03:22

    She RT somebody saying make her a regular. I draw the line somewhere.

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  56. CyanaT21 March 2015 at 03:42

    Yeah, me, too. IF that happens 'Kill me now' :P
    Besides the D/C fans and some "Winchester 'kick butt daughter'" fan fic fans I'm not seeing a whole lotta "Claire" love on the forums I usually browse.

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  57. les21 March 2015 at 04:00

    She could of been interesting if they didn't turn her into the typical rebel teenager. I prefer she go away in take Charlie with her.

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  58. CyanaT21 March 2015 at 04:30

    I fully agree about Charlie. The character started out really well but in each subsequent episode she took more 'smarts' from Sam and Dean until she became so over the top in her achievements; I'm just waiting for 'balanced Charlie' to completely kick Mark Of Cain's Dean's butt and cure him of the Mark at the same time. Sam, who? Castiel, who? All 'Dark Dean' needs is super Charlie to capture and cure him.
    (I don't think this really will happen but it might have if Robbie T was showrunner).

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  59. les21 March 2015 at 06:27

    I will give up if Robbie was to take over. I think he tries to put himself to much in the story . He did say Charlie is him, in when she appears he intentionally make the episode focus on her. After that I was threw with her.
    I don't think he knows how to write a episode without her. In its a shame. Not to mention she is back in his episode again for epi 18, with the magic book no one else can find. He wanted her in the myth arc. Hell Kevin was a prophet in still made mistakes, but not super Charlie.
    I just wish he stop bringing his bad fanfic imagination onto my TV screen.
    Just for once give me a episode with some grit in little less Disney.


    But honestly I don't have not one writer I trust on this staff. Every now in again somebody may throw a epi that gives me hope, but mostly it's just inconsistent writing.

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  60. Ginger21 March 2015 at 14:37

    My problem with Cole is that he is an undeveloped character, and that is because these writers lack talent and it shows in developing characters and character motivations. Compare Cole and the acting to Rufus and Steven Williams.

    Rufus had a reason for being on the show and was a character that was developed by both writers and the actor, who gave him a real personality. He was fully formed with an interesting history and personality that fit into the world of hunting, and we knew all of that in his first appearance.

    Compared to Rufus, Cole is an outline with no real history, no personality, no reason to be there and nothing interesting to say or do. In his first and second appearance, he was an arrogant psychopath who was looking for Dean, found Dean without any explanation as to how, and thought he was better than Dean. In his second episode, he magically knows everything there is to know about about demons, cried because Dean (a total stranger BTW) told him he hunted monsters (no reaction to finding out there are monsters in the world), and the audience thought his issue was resolved. He went home. He shows up again with a writer’s generic excuse to be there, forgives Dean and goes home. He will now show up again and be an instal-hunter with another generic excuse (probably to 'protect his family') for hunting. Isn't that always the excuse the writers use?).

    Cole instantly was a badass, he insisted on being electrocuted to prove it, and goes toe-to-toe with Dean in bad-assery. As I said, an outline character, and the actor doesn’t bring any personality to the character; just follows the script that Cole is a mean-lean soldier hero…except I haven’t seen him do anything to give me the idea he is an actual hero.

    I am not being critical of the character. I would much rather see him than any other recurring being used these days, but the season could do without him, because nothing about Cole has answered the question as to why he is even in the season. Like Claire, actually. Both her and Cole’s story have added nothing to the Winchester story. Nothing has been learned by the Winchesters (or anybody else) from their appearance in the season (and so far, neither has Rowena). Nothing about any of them have changed the Winchesters, the story, or even the characters themselves in any way, and nothing they have said or done within their own story has been all that interesting. They are just ‘there’ (to give the J2s time off, I suspect) and that is what makes them outlines of characters with no defined personality, complexity, or stories that entice me to be invested in them in any way.



    As for Charlie...I HATE that character. She is nothing more than Robbie Thompson in drag, and I wish Thompson would leave and take Charlie with him.


    I, too, feel that Dean is just fine, MoC or no MoC. He is acting just like the hardened hunter I would expect him to be at this stage of the game. For that reason, I find no tension in Dean being saved or by whom he is saved. I think the writers are waiting for Fan Favorite Charlie to show up and save the day. Sam is showing worry for Dean, and has since the beginning of the season. I doubt Sam and an angel are enough to do any saving without Charlie's help -- she is just that awesome.

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  61. lala221 March 2015 at 19:54

    In my honest opinion, I think Cole has been introduced for a potential spin off. I have thought that from his first episode, and I still feel it is a real possibility.


    Bloodlines taught the writers that any spin off needs to be based on a character that is familiar w/the boys and the hunting world. Cole satisfies both. His story is similar to other hunters in that his family was hurt by the supernatural, and he now knows about the dangers in the world. He already has a wife and kid so no need to shoehorn in unnecessary characters like Lisa or Amelia. While I am not one of the fans who would follow Cole (I can barely follow Sam and Dean under this regime), I'm sure there are others who would watch a spin off show w/him. I read plenty of comments from people who didn't want him to die and who were happy he made it out alive whereas I couldn't have cared less if he had died! Haha! The show seems desperate for a spin off, and if he shows up again, I will feel he is probably gonna be the spin off character.


    Ginger, I couldn't agree more w/you about Dean and Charlie. There is no tension in this MOC story. It's boring. I'm sorry, but it is . . . IMO of course. At this point, I see no need to "save" Dean; he seems fine to me. But I wouldn't be shocked to see Super Charlie return from Rome (or wherever she went) w/all the answers and the cure! Ugh . .

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  62. lala221 March 2015 at 19:54

    Ugh . . . thank goodness I'm not on Twitter :-)

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  63. lala221 March 2015 at 20:10

    I would give this season a "D."


    There is only one episode I would re-watch (AAB), and even that episode bothered me. I hated seeing Sam completely knocked out from being tossed into a teeny, tiny shelf while teen!Dean was pummeled by a much larger man and repeatedly banged about the head but still managed to get up and save everyone. If they had been waiting on Sam, they'd all be in that witch's stomach! And, yes, I know, Jared had shoulder problems . . . well, don't write in him the scene then. I'd rather he be left out, shown doing something else, or shown being hit in the head w/a brick and then passed out. Anything is better than the inept, weak mess we got. But I thought the kid playing Dean did a spot on job, and Sam got to bash the bartender's head onto the bar so that was cool. Plus, Dean and the woman had nice chemistry. I did hate that they didn't let her choose to remain a child but . . . it was a pretty decent episode to me. To me, it was the only enjoyable episode this season.


    Confession: When Dean was going on and on in the Impala in the beginning, until he mentioned Cain, I seriously could not remember what had happened in the prior episode. Haha! I was like, "What is he talking about? Wait . . . what happened in the last episode? *crickets* Oh, yeah Cain died." LOL! I even forgot about the whole "Cain's life in reverse" thing until someone mentioned it on the board.


    I guess I'm really checked out of the show this year.

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  64. Hellboy21 March 2015 at 22:28

    I don't know, there is a seed of an interesting story to tell. But they bungled it when they decided to have Jimmy dead.

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  65. Ginger22 March 2015 at 14:07

    Travis Wade is too old to be cast in a CW spin-off. The network is looking for the 15-year old audience, and they are not going to want a 39-year old starting a new series. IMO, he is cast as another recurring SPN character to give the J2s time off, and just like Charlie, Kate, Claire, and everyone else that shows up one time, they will continue to write episodes to build the character up.


    Like I said, better Cole than Charlie, but I don't find the character sympathetic or charismatic -- just that he doesn't annoy the hell out of me, which is a plus with the show these days.

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  66. CyanaT22 March 2015 at 20:58

    In the Fangasm Jensen VegasCon M&G posted on SuperWiki JA teased that we'll be seeing 'Dark Dean' back soon. I fully agree that both story arcs (MoC & Sam going 'dark' to save Dean) are proceeding at less than a snail's pace. My further problem is JC's saying he intends to 'accordion out' the MoC storyline into S11 since the show was renewed.

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  67. CyanaT22 March 2015 at 21:02

    I totally agree! That way when the season/series ends Cas could leave Jimmy just as Hannah left Caroline and Castiel would return to Heaven.

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  68. CyanaT22 March 2015 at 21:27

    I agree - it would time to throw in the towel if Robbie assumed showrunner duties but I doubt it would happen next season. If the shows goes S12+- maybe - but I would think Adam Glass (of the senior writers) would be next to be promoted if AG stays.
    I have a 'speculation of dread' that FD's 'availability'' was one of the reasons 10.21 & 10.22 were filmed out of order - meaning FD may be in 10.22 because as you stated RT wants 'Charlie' in the mytharc and both Jensen & Jared have publically stated that they like working with Felicia. (I'm not in any dissing FD - just increasingly 'Charlie' )

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  69. Ginger22 March 2015 at 23:41

    Let's see. Dean is hunting, because that is who he is. He isn't drinking. He is sleeping. He is eating. He is looking at women. He isn't coughing up blood. He isn't shaking. He isn't scratching at his tattoo. Ummm. I am not seeing anything different in him, so I can't figure out why Sam is worried.

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  70. Ginger22 March 2015 at 23:44

    Did Carver really say that? The last I heard from him, he had said the MoC story would definitely wrap up this season. Given that the writers don't have the capability to think long-term (or short term, for that matter), I can't see how they could continue to drag out a story that has turned out to be a non-story for another season. That would absolutely guarantee that next season will be just as boring as this one, meaning lots of plot bunnies that never materialize into a story and the continued focus on writing episodes for one-bit characters that nobody gives a rat's tail about.

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  71. les23 March 2015 at 02:37

    So I guess she will give Sam the knowledge to save his brother. Out of 3 episodes in she will get the job done. But Sam in 23 episodes in can't even find a clue. Another reason I cant take this character seriously or Robbie.

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  72. les23 March 2015 at 03:03

    Sam is always knocked out. In I don't even think they notice the endless loop that it's in. In with the episodes I think they need to shake it up a bit. The show comes on one of the bros be like we have a case. Then threw most of the episode its just talking slow pacing then at the last 10 min of the show case solved.


    I personally would have a MOTW epi where the bros is grabbing food in some unknown monster comes in in start slaughtering people. Then I will have save in Dean try to survive in save lives threw the episode. Then I would call it "Survival Of Consciousness" They need some face past epis to keep us on our toes time to time.




    "What is he talking about? Wait . . . what happened in the last episode?

    Don't feel bad I been doing the same thing, because most of what we got have not left a Mark. Or they try to shove in 3 epis worth of a story line in one. In it makes for a sloppy season.

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  73. spnmonster23 March 2015 at 22:47

    And why is Dean so fatalistic? He does seem to be handling it just fine.

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  74. spnmonster23 March 2015 at 22:50

    Yeah, Dean isn't always Mr. Sensitivity -- just an observation, He can be, especially with kids, but he doesn't always consider other people's feelings.

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  75. spnmonster23 March 2015 at 22:54

    They, excuse me, what? Adopt Claire as their daughter? That...I can't...how does that even...

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  76. spnmonster23 March 2015 at 22:56

    I have to agree. I'm not impressed with her acting.

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  77. spnmonster23 March 2015 at 22:57

    Less rebellion, more smarts would have been great, but she doesn't come across as clever, just self-pitying.

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  78. spnmonster23 March 2015 at 22:59

    It's pretty sad when the showrunner allows a writer to have a Mary Sue character on the show.

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  79. spnmonster23 March 2015 at 23:09

    I've tried to like Cole since obviously the show wants us to now, but I can't for the reasons you noted and because he comes across as an arrogant tool. I loathe his use of "Sammy" and "Deano" as though he has the right. Since when is it okay for anyone but Dean to use "Sammy" and why are they both so chill with what Cole did and threatened to do to Sam?
    I read that it wasn't in the script, and that Travis Aaron Wade came up with the Sammy and Deano idea. While I thought it worked okay to make him come across as arrogant and dickish in the first couple eps, now it's just irritating. Why would Sam and Dean put up with that presumptuousness? I just don't buy that he's their "buddy."

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  80. spnmonster23 March 2015 at 23:11

    It's become ridiculous. I could almost buy it with Cas due to their history and 'friendship,' but now it comes across as though Sam has so little self-worth that he doesn't object to any insult or fault against him. It would be one thing if they did anything with it, but they don't. It's just gross.

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  81. spnmonster23 March 2015 at 23:24

    You're absolutely right. Travis is 39 playing 22. It's not convincing now and will be less and less so in the near future. That doesn't mean they won't try it.

    I think you're right probably that he's being introduced to help fill in time that J2 are off. I appreciate that they want to spend more time with their families, but they have to take some of the responsibility for why the show isn't what it once was. SPN was built on their chemistry, and it is seriously lacking the past few of seasons between Carver putting the boys at odds in S8 through the their cut back schedules more recently. The writers are weak as it is. Having to write to accommodate J2's schedule is a hindrance they can't handle.

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  82. spnmonster23 March 2015 at 23:25

    Remember the days when Dean wouldn't just "let it go" when someone hurt his brother? *sigh* Good times.

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  83. chris68423 March 2015 at 23:28

    The first time Cole used those nicknames I figured he was trying to be demeaning. He was hunting Dean and saw them as the enemy. It felt off to hear him say the nicknames again in this episode since the dynamic has changed.

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  84. chris68423 March 2015 at 23:31

    Yeah, that was my first reaction too. I'm going with this just being fan fantasy and a young actress trying to build a fanbase, but I totally wouldn't put it past Robbie Thompson to build in some co-parenting subtext into the episode.

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  85. spnmonster23 March 2015 at 23:35

    Yes, exactly. The fact that it appears to have been Wade's idea doesn't bode well either. Why would anyone involved from the producers to J2 let him make that kind of decision?

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  86. spnmonster23 March 2015 at 23:38

    ew, that actually makes me feel slightly sick. Things had just begun to calm down in that regard. I don't care much for Claire and now i'm not too fond of the actress either.

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  87. les23 March 2015 at 23:55

    I agree. In not just that they had that character defending a guy that didn't even care about her safety. Then she planed to go after Dean cause of that mess. That was just dumb.

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  88. spnmonster23 March 2015 at 23:59

    I can kind of justify her being upset because she probably didn't know that he'd betrayed her, but why she would turn around and trust those two losers in the last ep she was in made no sense. What an idiot.

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  89. les24 March 2015 at 00:10

    Who knows. I think they was writing something thinking they was making the character strong, but it didn't turn out that way like usual.

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  90. ParadiseHeat24 March 2015 at 09:32

    Dean keeping the MOC because its no a threat and he can control it means we've wasted literally a whole season when we could have moved on to another much more interesting storyline and not have wasted loads of episodes on Dean's epic man angst.

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  91. ParadiseHeat24 March 2015 at 09:35

    Sam realising that he cant save Dean is actually ok with me, Sam will die either at Dean's ahnd, on a hunt some day or of natural causes (old age or whatever) and go to heaven, Dean will live with the MOC forever. Sam can feel sad about it but its not his fault or his problem really well unless Dean kills him before he's ready to die.

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  92. ParadiseHeat24 March 2015 at 09:38

    isnt torturing Sam,/not liking/treating Sam like crap a right of passage on the show now days? You must be a dick to Sam in order to qualify to be Dean's newest BFF.

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  93. lala224 March 2015 at 23:38

    I know, right? At this point, you can do anything to Sam, and it will just roll off his back. He holds no grudges!

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  94. lala224 March 2015 at 23:40

    Neither do I! And I'm not sure why the writers let TAW get away w/that "Sammy" and "Dean-o" crap! It was beyond annoying.

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