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POLL : What did you think of The Musketeers - The Prodigal Father?

6 Mar 2015

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445 comments:

  1. Knitty426 March 2015 at 22:00

    I know my first comment should be about Constagnan but all I can say at the moment is props to the sound department for that eye squelch. Oh my GOD that was horrific. I'm still covering my eyes with my hands!!

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  2. Sandi6 March 2015 at 22:01

    What an episode. Liam Cunningham was a great guest, but Treville will always be Porthos' father figure :)


    Marc and Ali played a blinder in that last scene. Fraught stuff! Loved their performances though, pitch perfect imo.


    Looking forward to hearing what you all thought of the episode :)

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  3. Federica6 March 2015 at 22:03

    That's going to be an EPIC finale!!
    (Hope to see annamis happy moments)

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  4. Helen6 March 2015 at 22:03

    I feel very squeamish now! You got the first comment again Knitty! ;)

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  5. deeannjay6 March 2015 at 22:05

    Fantastic episode, the first time this season that it held my attention all the way through, with some very skillful story telling, wonderful cinematography, lovely musical score and great performances from everyone. The plot lines are coming together nicely as we reach the climax of the season.

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  6. Knitty426 March 2015 at 22:06

    It's not deliberate! And quite impressive I typed so fast with one eye shut.

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  7. Maldeb6 March 2015 at 22:07

    Still speechless

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  8. Sunny6 March 2015 at 22:07

    I felt that last scene a bit sudden and desperate for Rochefort. He has been in so much control that I would have found it more natural if he had things crumbling around him more over the past few episodes. It felt like he had nothing to lose when in fact he has everything working for him quite nicely. That being said, it was a great scene with Marc and Ali!


    I love watching Howie Charles fight. He is magnificent. I felt so protective over dear Treville this episode. Glad that Porthos figured things out for himself and didn't have to be convinced of anything.


    Loved Constance's face when the boys rode up at the garrison. Had such a giddy childlike quality to it. So glad to see her back in her regular dress!


    I think Tom showed Athos' vulnerability the best yet in his tavern scene with Milady. Lovely job.

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  9. Helen6 March 2015 at 22:07

    So looking forward to the two part finale. Another super episode - thoroughly enjoyed it although think Sandi is right that this is one that I will enjoy more on rewatch. Love the Moorish theme again in this episode. I am glad Constance let down Lemay gently - I'm on a campaign now for him to be in season 3. I thought d'Artagnan was a bit childish again when Constance put the flowers on the grave but all was forgiven when he said "shut up and kiss me"! It will be interesting to see how this all plays out in the last two episodes! Still really angry at the BBC for delaying it yet again when they could have shown it on BBC2 or BBC3. However, it is going to be one hell of a finale, so will wait patiently! :)

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  10. Helen6 March 2015 at 22:10

    Constance did have a childish look about her when she was waiting at the garrison. It made me laugh that all this time, I thought those pictures we saw all those months ago were of her running from the palace to the garrison when in fact it was the other way round! :)

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  11. Knitty426 March 2015 at 22:12

    Really loving the music this week. Again. The reed instrument (what one was it? Oboe?) playing over Constance's flight from the palace was lovely.



    On a more serious note though, I'm getting a tiny bit concerned about the Catherine storyline. Events for the finale that we've been shown seem to revolve around the Rochefort plot and all the palace shenaningans, and I can't see her fitting into all that action when there's so much going on, so I'm slightly worried she'll be a shock arrival at the end when they think all the danger is passed.

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  12. Hana6 March 2015 at 22:12

    Love this episode especially the revelation about Porthos' past . it's a bit darker and mysterious but a really good.
    Love the Aramis' fight (always make me laugh) .
    I didn't think that lemay may have feeling for Constance, I love her dress too (the black one is gorgeous).
    Rocheford as always he's insane (and more than ever since he knows about annamis).
    Love the meeting between athos & milady, now I wanna see the next one -ahhh- especially for them too).
    But now there are two weeks before it shows up again -it's not fair-.

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  13. sharonally6 March 2015 at 22:13

    I will say it again I am loving this season and the darker edge . Those last scenes were uncomfortable to watch but kudos to both actors , but Rochefort is need of a big come uppance . The next episode looks intense .

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  14. Emma6 March 2015 at 22:14

    So many emotions right now! Firstly I can't start a review without mentioning constagnan and omg what a beautiful moment for them. Constance has never seemed so happy I was literally squealing (I think perhaps I may have worried the neighbours) but then at the other end was of course the horrific reality of the imprisoned girls and of course rochefort. I was almost crying while watching that scene with anne. Im so angry I have to wait a whole two weeks for the next episode, it looks so intriguing and action packed...definitely going to be a finale to remember this year (but hopefully for the right reasons!)

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  15. Michelle Stock6 March 2015 at 22:14

    A great episode, lots to take in so will deffo need a rewatch or two or three!!! Can't believe we've got to wait for the next episode grrrrr!!! Marc Warren was superb in the last scenes, very chilling and unbalanced!

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  16. Emma6 March 2015 at 22:16

    Perhaps she will continue into series 3, if rochefort dies this series she may become the new threat although I fear if that was the case then they may fall into a trend of 'a new villian per series' which may get repetitive and very predictable in its outcome.

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  17. Helen6 March 2015 at 22:17

    Just talking about Catherine with hubby, as you keep forgetting that she is in the mix and, as you say, it's difficult to see how that will fit in. I hope Milady does survive to Season 3.

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  18. Michelle Stock6 March 2015 at 22:17

    It was an 'ouch, watch behind the hands moment' for me!!

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  19. Sunny6 March 2015 at 22:17

    Oh, I forgot! HELLO, TROLL!!!!!!

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  20. deeannjay6 March 2015 at 22:17

    I don't use the word "awesome" very often, but Santiago was absolutely "awesome" in the fight scenes in this episode!

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  21. Michelle Stock6 March 2015 at 22:18

    Has the troll voted yet? It hadn't when I placed mine! Lol

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  22. Emma6 March 2015 at 22:18

    Ahaha I will admit they are consistant, I'll give them that!

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  23. Sunny6 March 2015 at 22:18

    Don't think so. He's lurking, I'm sure.

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  24. Federica6 March 2015 at 22:21

    I've loved when the Queen said truly that she would have loved Aramis, and the fact that she told Constance that Aramis is the dauphin's father! The last scene was unexpected and so excting! I hope Annamis is not going to finish, now that the two love each other, I would kill Jessica Pope and the other :p
    Milady... She is so strange! But I think that she will the Musketeers and the Queen during the next episode!
    Constagnan --> Lovely!!
    Porthos --> top!!

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  25. Maldeb6 March 2015 at 22:22

    I think the troll liked this one and gave it a 'poor' instead lol

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  26. Tigercheetah6 March 2015 at 22:22

    I enjoyed Porthos's storyline more than I thought I would :) I kept changing my mind about whether his father was a good guy or not and Howard put in a good performance, I think Porthos is definately the Musketeer with the biggest heart in a way.

    The darker tone of S2 gets more noticeable with each episode, starting with the obvious tension that Treville was feeling over the reveal and ending with Anne and Constance finally realising what a dangerous man Rochefort is.. ( crossing fingers for A BIT more humour in S3 )

    It'll be nice to see Rochefort's eye patch from now on, it's the way my childhood self remembers him.. :)

    Needless to say, I'm soooooo glad Constance showed no romantic interest in Lemay and has finally made her decision. I can't say I was dissapointed in d'Artagnan for giving Constance the warning that he did at Bonacieux's grave about not being around forever, why should he keep getting his heart broken?

    D'Artagnan really hasn't had much screentime over the last two episodes, so I hope things are a little better for him during the last two episodes.

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  27. Sunny6 March 2015 at 22:22

    I saw that and thought the same! But now....we have an "awful" vote.

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  28. Kara6 March 2015 at 22:22

    Loved that episode. Poor Porthos getting played like that- that trio were truly gross.
    Well played to Ali and Marc for that last scene. Truly unsettling.
    Constagnan <3 Although, I am again worried for Constance... lol. What was that line? 'I'm only just getting started' or something along those lines. I couldn't help thinking that I hoped that was the case! Both their faces at the garrison though- they were both like giddy kids!

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  29. Maldeb6 March 2015 at 22:24

    Ah ok just saw - will admire the consistency then haha

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  30. deeannjay6 March 2015 at 22:24

    The music this week was great and I was particularly pleased to hear the "Moorish" theme from "The Good Traitor" episode being reprised a couple of times.

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  31. Knitty426 March 2015 at 22:24

    Yes, I think all the delay is going to quite spoil the finale for the UK fans, and I mean spoil as in the 'ruin' sense. BBC has done a fantastic job of completely destroying any continuity and momentum, and now we're going to be getting the finale late we'll lose that 'brand new' excitement of nobody knowing what happens. It will already be a week old by the time we see it. Tonight was so exciting in ramping up the thrills for the conclusion it's such a shame. :(

    And no, I'm not buying a red nose next week. Charity or not, Beeb can swivel!!

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  32. Hana6 March 2015 at 22:25

    yep really love his fight skill in this episode also in episode 5 (he's like a ninja -lol-)

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  33. cb6 March 2015 at 22:26

    I have never been as tense as i was at the end! I literally wanted to clamber into the screen and kick Rochefort in the balls. It was very well done though I thought, Aramis is gonna flip when he finds out!


    Also loved Porthos' storyline, got really pissed at his dad for trying to manipulate him. Porthos is so tough but also so kind of delicate at times, cause he has so much heart. (If that makes sense?) Glad that he trusted Treville in the end even though I kinda knew he would.


    Overall pretty great episode. It kills that we have to wait 2 weeks til the next one. In the mean time I might just fantasize about Aramis beating up Rochefort.

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  34. Maldeb6 March 2015 at 22:26

    There was so much happening in the episode and everything so intense that I think I will need to see it again in order to form a coherent thought about it.

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  35. Tigercheetah6 March 2015 at 22:27

    I thought d'Artagnan was right to give Constance that warning, in real life, deep love can die if it's not looked after and constantly pushed away. If their sexes were reversed, I don't think a male character would be liked by viewers for constantly blowing hot and cold with a show's main heroine.

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  36. Kara6 March 2015 at 22:27

    Oh, and Porthos' line about the picture :( 'think you can just show me a picture of any black woman' :( That really resonated with me.

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  37. Knitty426 March 2015 at 22:27

    I was actually quite hopeful after that line. Unless we're going to have a massive twist, I still think we've been battered over the head so much by all the blatant, ominous foreshadowing deliberately to make us think that way, when in fact she could be perfectly safe.

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  38. Sandi6 March 2015 at 22:28

    I loved that Treville let Porthos work it all out for himself, like a parent should, it made his stubborn refusal to reveal anything to him worthwhile. It was obvious that Belgard would overplay his hand, he just had to play the waiting game, uncomfortable as that can be

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  39. Scoobie6 March 2015 at 22:28

    I really enjoyed this episode. There were a couple of slightly dodge acting moments from Emma Hamilton I thought, particularly the scene in which the Musketeers escape with the girls. I didn't quite play right for me. Otherwise there was much to love. Great little turn from Phoebe Dynevor. Some gorgeous acting from Tom Burke once again. I'm absolutely loving what they're doing with Athos and Milady at the moment. It's so layered, complex and intriguing. Tonight was Constagnan at it's best. I throught the moment when D'Artagnan expressed his frustration was both well played and believable. Their final scene was simply gorgeous. THIS is the Constance I love and desperately hope we see more of. I just loved it when she said to Lemay, "I'm only getting started." She's just brilliant. I remain utterly bewildered with their treatment of the lovely Ed Stoppard. Lemay is a delightful character and one who potentially offered/offers Constance a chance to have a friend, aside from D'Artagnan and the Musketeer dynamic and one who could give her a chance to develop new skills and challenge herself. I agree with Sandi that the romantic component wasn't needed and whatsmore didn't even drive the story forward. It was Anne's urging that made Constance see sense. I suppose that for a moment we were meant to wonder if she would accept Lemay as she ran to him in the corridor but that was never even an issue and hadn't been well enough developed to constitute anything like a romantic dilemma. Those final scenes between Rochefort and Anne were genuinely chilling with some great work from Marc Warren a desperate and damaged man, who is now completely beyond reason and judgement. I've never been more frustrated with the BBC. I so want episode nine.

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  40. Page6 March 2015 at 22:29

    D'Artagnan is kind of bugging me in many of his interactions with Constance this year.

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  41. Knitty426 March 2015 at 22:29

    We have our 2% Awful. :)

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  42. Page6 March 2015 at 22:30

    There they are. Gotta love consistency.

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  43. deeannjay6 March 2015 at 22:30

    There was certainly a lot going on! I must admit I have found one or two of the episodes this season haven't totally held my attention and I had made a cup of tea which I had left in the kitchen, fully expecting to go back and get it a few minutes into the episode. Needless to say, 55 minutes later the tea had been forgotten and gone cold, no getting up and doing other stuff during THIS episode!

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  44. Sandi6 March 2015 at 22:32

    There's a few things Belgard says that I caught the second time through that are interesting, he's always getting an excuse in first when he doesn't have to. Like when he starts to explain why he left the Musketeers when Henry was assassinated. Also, Porthos is so desperate to see the good in him that he doesn't see the bad to begin with - he asks why he let's his daughter treat him like crap, yet it's Belgard who started the insults.

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  45. Hana6 March 2015 at 22:33

    Agree with you. They make some really good work but with all the photo, stolen from the production it's ruin all their work. But I've always wondering how they can steal something only the production has ?! it's weird if it's not the production who released them.
    But that's why I wait till the episode comes out to show the photo on my tumblr (I was enough spoiled for the week).

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  46. Helen6 March 2015 at 22:33

    True, I don't blame him for thinking that but it was just the timing of it, especially beside the graveside.

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  47. Tigercheetah6 March 2015 at 22:34

    As expected, as soon as Lemay made his interest in Constance known, mum was like "now that's better chemistry for Constance" lol..


    In her view, Constance's sweet nature doesn't work with D'Artagnan's more impassioned nature

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  48. Knitty426 March 2015 at 22:37

    I loved that he said 'I'm glad he's dead'. As he pointed out, she wouldn't leave Bonacieux when he was alive, and even dead she wouldn't let him go. Throughout their relationship Constance has pushed and pulled d'Artagnan backwards and forwards with her uncertainty and guilt, and just when he thought she'd FINALLY made up her mind, hubby dies and she finds another reason to delay. She seemed to realise this at the end though, with her speech at the garrison, thank goodness.

    Oh, and I LOVED d'Art's wet weather gear at the beginning. A related question though - do we think those are new gloves he's wearing, or did he rinse out the ones he wrapped around Bonacieux's crossbow bolt last week? ;)

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  49. Knitty426 March 2015 at 22:37

    I found it interesting he was even there, if she's feeling all guilty and 'I need time'. It seems they went there together, rather than him coming to find her, so it was a bit odd to me.

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  50. Helen6 March 2015 at 22:39

    Definitely think I missed a lot of the Porthos/Belgard interactions, so will rewatch now. I thought Liam Cunningham was superb in this episode. Now to rewatch on iPlayer! ;)

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  51. Maldeb6 March 2015 at 22:39

    I found his line about not being there to be quite 'real life like' actually - it felt like something a frustrated young man would say

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  52. Sandi6 March 2015 at 22:39

    I also loved that Aramis did an Athos style 'leaning on a nearby wall' while the other two were undercover in the house :)

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  53. Tigercheetah6 March 2015 at 22:40

    Mark has been great in the role, I can't understand some people's view that he's "too Pantomine" for their liking but I suppose everyone's different..

    I thought d'Art's frustration was very realistic, it was perhaps quite brave of the writers to put that in..

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  54. Helen6 March 2015 at 22:40

    Lol - I do hope he did wash those gloves or perhaps they're a new pair! I too loved that wet weather gear - he looked extra sexy with that on! ;)

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  55. Maldeb6 March 2015 at 22:41

    Belgard might be Porthos' father but Treville was the one acting like one

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  56. Knitty426 March 2015 at 22:41

    Wet and p*ssed off, oh yes. ;)

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  57. Sarah6 March 2015 at 22:43

    Overall, a great episode. I love any episode where we get to see more of Howard, I think he is a fantastic actor, and vastly underused on the show. Paired with one of my favourite actors, Liam Cunningham, their performances in this episode were outstanding.


    Another great episode for Constagnan fans, I'm glad that Constance has finally realised that she deserves happiness. Bless Lemay, he meant well, but I am glad that they are able to remain friends so there is hope for him making a comeback in the future.


    Those creepy men treating those girls like that made me uncomfortable, very uncomfortable. I was not a fan of Aramis pretending to be a creepy paedophile to rescue that poor girl either, although I understood his motives. I think the acting from some of the younger girls was great, very moving and believable. I find angry Athos very sexy, and I was very impressed with our boys rescuing the girls in such an exciting manner.


    Speaking of Athos, his scene with Milady broke my heart. He seemed to reach out to her, before closing himself off again. I felt sorry for both of them, they really need to sort some of their issues out, hopefully the two part finale will provide that opportunity.


    Poor Treville, I just wanted to comfort him for the entire episode. I think that he truly loves Porthos like a son, and although I did like Porthos finding brief comfort in the arms of his biological father Belgard, I was very pleased when he thanked Treville and fixed their relationship.


    Exceptional acting from both Marc and Ali in the final scene. I'm proud of Anne for standing up for herself and calling out Rochefort on his behaviour. He really has truly lost his mind now, making him more dangerous than ever. It was a perfect way to set up for the finale.


    That was one hell of a promo. Could the next episode spell the end for Marguerite and Louis? I know that we saw Milady in serious danger too, but I don't believe that Athos will let any harm come to her. It looks like it is all go from now on, I am so excited for the next episode now!

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  58. Knitty426 March 2015 at 22:44

    As soon as the DVD is out, I'm going to watch all ten eps one after the other with NO pauses in the middle! Very much looking forward to that! Tea, cake, ten hours of Musketeers. Perfect. :D

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  59. Knitty426 March 2015 at 22:45

    My tea went cold too! This is the only show I put the laptop down for and sit in the middle of my floor watching the TV. Usually my TV is just background noise.

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  60. Sandi6 March 2015 at 22:48

    Exactly! Their bond has been kind of obvious through the last few episodes especially, so it really shouldn't be too surprising. I thought it was a lovely touch :)

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  61. Knitty426 March 2015 at 22:49

    Treville also apologised, and was acknowledge by Porthos for it. I liked that.

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  62. Sandi6 March 2015 at 22:51

    Yes. I think Treville has wanted to say that for a long time, but without being able to explain the situation sufficiently, it's been an impossible. They are now going to be closer than ever after having gone through this together.

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  63. Maldeb6 March 2015 at 22:55

    Haha same scenario here - only show I ignore computers and mobile for

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  64. Knitty426 March 2015 at 22:56

    I loved that Athos was the one looking back for him and waiting while everyone else ran on. The boy love on this show is just too adorable. :)

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  65. Anon(ymous Goat)6 March 2015 at 23:02

    Yup, Athos/d'Art love is adorable but that eye roll needs to be made into a gif (is that the right modern thing? Lol.) just so I can giggle on repeat because it was my reaction too.

    Also love Porthos's 'Still, it is bigger than yours' ...eh up! *nudge nudge* :p

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  66. deeannjay6 March 2015 at 23:03

    Lol! Aramis also looked extremely elegant on his horse as he and Porthos rode into Belgarde's mansion at the start of the episode, On a more general note, the whole of this season has been beautifully filmed, but this episode seemed to take the cinematography up a further notch, it was quite glorious to watch.

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  67. jagoda nestor6 March 2015 at 23:05

    That preview has me really conflicted! What is actually going to happen with the King ? It looks as though he is being poisoned, however Im not sure he actually dies. Btw I loved the episode especially that scene with Constance and Queen Anne!

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  68. Anon(ymous Goat)6 March 2015 at 23:05

    I think it looks badly on me so don't worry....my mind goes places when those boys are on screen. What's a girl to do?! Lol

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  69. deeannjay6 March 2015 at 23:05

    Sorry, have I missed something regarding the scheduling of the finale? Are BBC worldwide showing it abroad before it it shown in the UK?

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  70. Scoobie6 March 2015 at 23:16

    Yay, trolly. :) You gotta love a troll that knows their own mind. A true conviction Troll if ever there was one.

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  71. Knitty426 March 2015 at 23:22

    I wonder if if the same individual who has actually started a petition (and posted about it on Twitter asking for signups) demanding this terrible, awful, rubbish show The Musketeers not get renewed? I couldn't help laugh at that! What sad kind of non-life must you have to waste your energy doing that? If you don't like it, don't watch!

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  72. Knitty426 March 2015 at 23:26

    Rewatching the Treville/Belgard scene. I loved the way the two men showed in two lines who was Porthos' 'real' father. Belgarde screams "You can't leave me, YOU'RE MY SON!" As in, it's all about me, while Treville just says "I'm sorry", as in, this is about you, all I can do is apologise.

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  73. Emma6 March 2015 at 23:27

    Sandi (or anyone else who can help!) I thought I heard of a link that was sent to another site so people from the uk could speculate without spoilers but I cant seem to find it and I don't think I could survive two weeks without our musketeer discussions! Could you send it again or have I just made this whole thing up in my head?!

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  74. Sandi6 March 2015 at 23:30

    It's the G+ community we have for the site. I haven't set anything in particular as yet, but will do so this weekend when I get home. Here's the link to the community - https://plus.google.com/communities/105983583920497166752

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  75. Anon(ymous Goat)6 March 2015 at 23:33

    But Aramis clearly wasn't flirting for pleasure in this ep. He was doing it to gain something- that's where my Sherlock analysis comes in- and he can act the part well. I don't think Athos or Porthos would choose or be able to pull off the same method. D'Art I'm not sure of. Interestingly, I've noted anyway, Aramis is usually the one who gains info whether it be off woman or man...
    That mirror moment peed me off to be honest cos up until then I don't think he was all 'look at me I'm gorgeous' at all really. Charm with cheese on but not really a big head about his looks. That scene was merely so he could notice his crucifix was missing. And I suppose it was quite amusing...

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  76. Emma6 March 2015 at 23:34

    No problem, thanks! I do remember joining this community but I have to admit I didnt quite know how to work the site. (Me and my brilliant it skills!) But im sure I'll work it out soon enough x

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  77. Scoobie6 March 2015 at 23:34

    I agree Tigercheetah that it was brave and illustrated that while he adores Constance, there is an increasing maturity about him and he's done with being some kicked puppy. Both of them displayed some not inconsiderable sense of self-worth tonight and it worked brilliantly. I thought that both their scenes were really important moments for them. I think I actually understood Constance much better after tonight. That gorgeous moment when she told him that he was the only man she'd ever loved and would ever love, made me reflect that we can't judge Constagnan against the standards of present times. Unlike modern characters and relationships, it's important to remember that Constance hasn't had the experience of previous boyfriends and break-ups. She contracted an arranged marriage at a ridiculously young age. She had no appreciation of romantic love as anything other than an idle fantasy, if indeed as a concept at all and certainly had no experience of passion and sex beyond what was clearly a seldom practiced, wifely chore. These feelings are very new to her and for a young woman for whom duty, deference and respectability were substitutes for love, romance and desire, navigating this thing with D'Artagnan was and is a minefield. He's come into her life like an absolute explosion and triggered feelings that she never even knew were possible to experience. It's never been simple for her. It's a steep learning curve but she's brave and tenacious, just like her Musketeer.

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  78. Scoobie6 March 2015 at 23:37

    She is indeed. She's a beautiful young woman and a promising actress. I did actually think there were a couple of moments tonight when you could really see her resemblance to her Mum.

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  79. Scoobie6 March 2015 at 23:40

    Seriously!? A petition? Oh troll. Open up a window, get some air....It'll do you good.

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  80. Scoobie6 March 2015 at 23:42

    I joined Emma but have now completely forgotten my login details and password! I may lurk...

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  81. Knitty426 March 2015 at 23:44

    Yup, it's all kinds of wrong, and we had a mass rant about it in another thread earlier in the week(!) but unfortunately UK BBC doesn't seem to care. Plus BBCA is still BBC, not an unconnected US network, and it also has money in the show, so the usual 'who airs it first' rules don't apply in this case. I hope they'll schedule it better next year to avoid this farce, but I wonder if BBCA pushing for it to come back early may have played a part in UK bringing it back just after New Year, and squeezing it into a totally inappropriate slot. If they'd waited a few months and found a decent night for it none of this would have happened. I worry it may happen again unless UK BBC grows a spine and waits for a decent slot. The show and the fans deserve nothing less. :(

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  82. Scoobie6 March 2015 at 23:48

    On a purely superficial level...never! Scoobie!? I hear you cry...can we just take a moment to adore D'Artagnan in his new all-weather cape. Now he's hot AND waterproof, like some kind of deliciously sexy hot water bottle. LOL.

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  83. Page6 March 2015 at 23:51

    Well pointed out.

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  84. Helen6 March 2015 at 23:53

    Yes, loving that all-weather, sexy cape! He is getting more lovelier looking in every episode! Lucky Constance. ;)

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  85. deeannjay6 March 2015 at 23:54

    I feel really annoyed as a licence payer that I am going to have to avoid spoilers for the finale of a UK-made show, that is a complete farce! (I should explain that I only come on "Spoiler TV" for the post-show discussions, not the actual spoiler posts). I can't imagine this ridiculous situation happening to Dr Who or Sherlock, why on earth are the Musketeers British fans being treated with such contempt? Grr....!

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  86. Helen6 March 2015 at 23:54

    I've joined also but like you I haven't got a clue how it works! ;)

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  87. Scoobie6 March 2015 at 23:55

    It's now officially the "All-weather sexy cape". Like Aramis' "Handy Hat". It took on two men tonight. :)

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  88. Page6 March 2015 at 23:55

    Those proper brotherly moments were very much what I liked about that whole fight scene. Also with Athos getting hit and d'Artagnan calling out to Aramis in response - both of them covering until Aramis could get Athos up. It's the little interactions like that I love.

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  89. Helen6 March 2015 at 23:57

    I missed the eyeroll on re-watch. Oh well, off to re-watch again just for the eye roll (and perhaps seeing d'Artagnan again in his sexy all-weather gear again! ;)

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  90. Emma6 March 2015 at 23:58

    All these sites...there's too many of them! Aw well, where theres a will there's a way helen!

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  91. Emma6 March 2015 at 23:59

    Im sure I'll have to lurk alongside you im afraid seeing as I havent figured it out myself!

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  92. Scoobie7 March 2015 at 00:00

    Oh yeah! Come for the swashbuckler, stay for the all-weather sexy cape! :)

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  93. Helen7 March 2015 at 00:00

    On re-watch I appreciated more his reaction during the Constagnan scene at the graveyard - loved when he said 'I'm glad he's dead' and the honesty when he said it.

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  94. Helen7 March 2015 at 00:01

    There's going to be a lot of lurking! ;)

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  95. Anon(ymous Goat)7 March 2015 at 00:02

    Can I just say that scene between Anne/Constance where the true father was revealed made me feel sad? Yes for the Queen but for Aramis because no, he can't have those moments with his son. No, he has to watch from a distance. And yes, maybe he shouldn't have slept with the Queen in the first place (the writers being so original there, I feel *eyeroll*) but it takes two to tango and he's definitely ended up worse off. So he tries to get close to his son but that involves using a woman (original idea there again, writers) which makes us all mad at him but think about it, he's trying to do what he can to see his son... Heartbreaking. Athos knows but walks away when he knows his friends son is sick!? Porthos doesn't know or seem to suspect anything (yet people still to be mad at Aramis for not saying anything but yet saying something would potentially put Porthos in danger) which just...ARGH! And seriously, if Aramis comes out of this badly I will want to throw things!

    You wouldn't think I was actually a Porthos girl if I had to choose but seriously the way they have taken Aramis this series...

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  96. Sandi7 March 2015 at 00:05

    Once I get some time I'll kick start if off. Sorry, I've just been so busy of late I've barely had time to get anything done :(

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  97. jagoda nestor7 March 2015 at 00:05

    Will you be doing an advance preview for episode 9 if BBCA decides to air it ?

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  98. Sandi7 March 2015 at 00:07

    Yes, it will be going up for the BBC America airing on Saturday. That's why I am making space esewhere for the guys who don't want to be spoilt :)

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  99. Page7 March 2015 at 00:07

    That aspect of the story with the picture was perfectly played. I also like that Porthos had that moment of realization right when he was handed the picture and that he hung onto it. He could have exploded right then and there but he waited to look around and see what else he was missing.


    I feel like a lot of fans expect Porthos to be this explosive and reactionary person, but I've never seen him that way. He's measured and smart in his reactions. He feels deeply and strongly but doesn't let his emotions rule him quite the way the other musketeers do. He waits until he has the full story before ultimately weighing a situation. A lot of that is what I love about him.


    This aspect of his character was also present in his fight with his brother-in-law. Powerful and vicious, but controlled.

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  100. Knitty427 March 2015 at 00:09

    * like some kind of deliciously sexy hot water bottle.*

    Oh, what an image.

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  101. Page7 March 2015 at 00:09

    Particularly if you don't like it to that extent. That's taking your own opinions to way too much self-import. They really started a petition? That's a little insane.

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  102. Hana7 March 2015 at 00:11

    Yep me too (being tired of re-watching the all season 1) . Need season 2 ^^.

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  103. Knitty427 March 2015 at 00:13

    He was checking himself out! Athos and the other boys would have walked down the corridor and ignored the mirror. The mirror was a plot device to lead to the missing crucifix, sure, but they way it was done came across to me as vanity. They could have done it another way.

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  104. Sandi7 March 2015 at 00:14

    Totally. He went on a prowl around the house to see what else he could see out of place, and that pistol set off all kinds of alarm bells. He's a very clever man, and soldier. I've noticed that a lot of what Howie does as an actor in the role can get lost behind some of what the other guys are doing in a shot, but Porthos is one of the best soldiers among them imo. His reactions are so well honed and he's always alert, watching out for danger.

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  105. jagoda nestor7 March 2015 at 00:14

    Thanks Sandi :)

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  106. Page7 March 2015 at 00:16

    It was the creative use of his hat that sold it for me. I always love when he uses his hat. Plus, the more shallow side of me love it when he leans and stares darkly at things, so his watching the outside gates was well-played in my book. ;)


    Aramis leaning and staring is right up there with Athos's wry you-know-what-you-did glower, and those moments when Porthos seemingly can't help but smile.

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  107. Page7 March 2015 at 00:16

    I just commented on this without realizing you already had. I did love that for all the shallowest reasons of life, I loved that.

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  108. Knitty427 March 2015 at 00:17

    I feel your pain. And to quote the Queen, I share it. :( x

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  109. Sandi7 March 2015 at 00:17

    What you say about Porthos makes total sense to me, he's a big teddy bear :) Wanting to trust in others completely, and when he does find that he can do, he would do anything for you.

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  110. Page7 March 2015 at 00:18

    Good catches.

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  111. Anon(ymous Goat)7 March 2015 at 00:20

    Yeah, it does. But its the first we've seen of it. He's not exactly been Gascon from Beauty and The Beast before then. I would have liked them to have done it another way because it sort of crossed him over a line he wasn't over in my head. As you can see from my comments above, I'm not entirely thrilled with where the writers have taken him on a whole. Aramis is great when he's the life-loving, fight-lovin, brother-loving guy. He doesn't need the obvious women issues thrown at him all the time.

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  112. Sandi7 March 2015 at 00:21

    It's those character moments that I think the earlier episodes were perhaps missing.

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  113. Page7 March 2015 at 00:21

    Plus, I think he wanted to explain it without it sounding like excuses, and if he'd tried to preemptively explain it, it might have taken on that tone. Porthos needed to come to his own conclusions. And Treville just wanted the truth to be known and to be able to apologize. At least that's how it played to me.

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  114. Knitty427 March 2015 at 00:22

    Also let's not forget what Bonacieux said to him at the end. Constance never heard that. Even dying he was bitter and angry. Sure he had a right to be, this fit young man running off with his wife, but still, to someone as idealistic and romantic as d'Artagnan, a man like Bonacieux who didn't appreciate the woman he was married to, who belittled her and treated her as little more than a device to prop up his own reputation, and then having 'I curse you both' spat at him with the man's dying breath, I'm not surprised that was his response. I can see Constance's point of view as well but actually giggled when she said Bonacieux was just 'frustrated'. I'll bet he was. ;)

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  115. Sandi7 March 2015 at 00:24

    It's definitely an episode that improves with rewatches, once you really know what kind of fellow Belgard is. Liam Cunningham played the dubious nature of character very well I think. As did Hugo Speer with the concerned parent angst, wanting Porthos to get through this having seen for himself what his birth father was really like.

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  116. Hana7 March 2015 at 00:27

    think he will be poisoned too but he might live till the end of the season.

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  117. Knitty427 March 2015 at 00:28

    What saddened me more was that Anne has just put Constance slap bang in the middle of the secret. She can no longer have plausible deniability when Rochefort inevitably accuses her of treason, and knowing about the affair.

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  118. Page7 March 2015 at 00:28

    Yes. The hug with his father, where his eyes closed, was heartbreaking.

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  119. Sandi7 March 2015 at 00:28

    Yeah, exactly that I feel. I imagine it was a huge relief to finally come clean about the whole thing in many ways.

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  120. annamisxx7 March 2015 at 00:29

    great episode enjoyed it captain treville did the right thing letting porthos find out for himself
    Love the friendship between aramis and porthos and seeing the boys love for each other
    I understood Constance hesitating to jump straight to dartagnan arm also love how she kindly turned down lemay
    I also loved the scene between the queen and Constance it was great finally hearing her admit that aramis is the father we all knew he was the father but it was great insight into how she feels last scene was woow what a cliff hanger great acting by Alexandar and Marc

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  121. Anon(ymous Goat)7 March 2015 at 00:30

    That didn't make me sad. Mad maybe. It came out a little too easily that piece of info. Do you fancy just shouting from the roof, Queen, eh? I think that goat didn't hear you. Lol

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  122. Sarah7 March 2015 at 00:32

    It may just be my naivety, but I was wondering what the significance of that pistol was?

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  123. Sandi7 March 2015 at 00:35

    Belgard was sat at that desk when Porthos came back from confronting Treville. He had that drawer open when he asked him how it went, and then closed it after hearing that all was well. Porthos made the connection as to why.

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  124. Sandi7 March 2015 at 00:37

    Porthos gives his all, or nothing, bless him. Belgard doesn't know what he could have had tbh!

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  125. deeannjay7 March 2015 at 00:41

    Thanks! I don't want to come across as whingeing, so I will add that I am very appreciative of the financial input from BBC America and BBC Worldwide, and also that the series has been popular abroad, which has been a major factor in the commissioning of S3. But I do worry about the implications of this scheduling decision if it indeed goes ahead (and to be fair we don't have any info as yet beyond Ep9.), I can actually see this opening the door for the whole of Season 3 going out in America and or elsewhere in the world before BBC 1 make the effort to show it for UK viewers. I sincerely hope I am wrong in that assumption.

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  126. Scoobie7 March 2015 at 00:42

    Yeah, I agree with the fabulously names Anon(ymous) Goat. Never thought I type that sentence in my lifetime. Lol. I think it may be his first real fake flirt. It definitely was a bit Aramisesque. His real flirting is always much more boyish, twinkly and smiley. In series one he twinkled around Constance like the Christmas lights in Oxford Street. I must say, I'm kind of liking his more manly, assertive vibe now. When he got all, "I might take away my multiple orgasms and general waterproof sexiness" with her, I thought oh man, you and I would be resurrecting something in that graveyard and it wouldn't be Bonacieux! :)

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  127. Sarah7 March 2015 at 00:42

    Ah, that makes sense, thank you. :)

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  128. Sandi7 March 2015 at 00:47

    No worries.

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  129. Knitty427 March 2015 at 00:48

    * Thanks! I don't want to come across as whingeing,*

    Whinge away. I've been doing it all week. ;) And I agree on all your points. It's great that there's such international love for the show, and that BBCA has such faith in it that they're willing to put up the money. Without it we'd almost certainly not have a third series on the way, although the irony is that if UK BBC had bothered to promote it and schedule it properly in the first place, and raised the viewing figures domestically, it wouldn't have been so obvious it was only BBCA's money that saved it from being cancelled.

    It's entirely BBC UK that's at fault here.

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  130. Scoobie7 March 2015 at 00:51

    The goat hears everything....and it hears nothing...... it's very zen ;)

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  131. Knitty427 March 2015 at 00:51

    * When he got all, "I might take away my multiple orgasms and general waterproof sexiness" with her" *

    BWAHAHAHA!! That's honestly the funniest thing I've heard all night! And, worryingly, the hottest.....:P

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  132. Knitty427 March 2015 at 01:12

    Technical, stunty, swordy question for anyone with a better pause button than mine.

    When Aramis is doing the cool 'knock people out with his hat' thing, where exactly does he get the sword he throws to d'Artagnan? I think it's the guy on the left (his right) but was it in his hand, in his scabbard? Suddenly Aramis has it and is lobbing it across the room. My recorder won't pause slowly enough to view it frame by frame. Incidentally I do love the teamwork and fluidity when they boys do this. Aramis gets the sword, instantly knowing his brothers are unarmed, throws it to d'Artagnan, who catches it perfectly and throws it onto Athos as he comes down the stairs. Both actors and characters do that SO well. :D

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  133. Page7 March 2015 at 01:24

    You're right, he does.


    I don't get emotional watching TV and movies all that often, and really not with shows like the Musketeers, but I got a little lump in my throat at that moment. This thing Porthos has never had, or never felt he had, and the desire to just be hugged and welcomed and accepted. It got me.

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  134. Page7 March 2015 at 01:24

    The fluidity was very well done.

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  135. Sandi7 March 2015 at 01:30

    I'm the same. I was alright here, but have to admit that a couple of little things in the finale got me dabbing at my eyes though, and one of them involved Porthos.

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  136. Bunnery7 March 2015 at 01:31

    The one thing I thought about throwing the doctor in there was that - of course Constance would choose D'Art over her annoying hubby - but maybe they wanted to show that if she had a viable choice - another loving, kind, intelligent, attractive man who obviously cherished her, she still wouldn't consider it for a moment. Not that we thought she would - but I thought maybe they wanted to throw in someone who could actually provide real competition, rather than the husband she never loved in the first place. Not saying it was necessary or even that it worked particularly well, but I am wondering if that could be the thinking. I did love the doctor. I also wonder how his role will play out in episode 9.

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  137. Bunnery7 March 2015 at 01:35

    Aw, Scoobie! That was so beautifully said! :)

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  138. Page7 March 2015 at 01:48

    Ah, you shouldn't have said anything (j/k) - Porthos pain makes my heart clench. Say it'll all be okay.

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  139. Sandi7 March 2015 at 01:50

    Oh, I didn't mean pain, the opposite :p lol

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  140. Page7 March 2015 at 01:52

    I think one of the not-so-well-done things this season is that they've added extra characters to give some of the main characters extra motivation, when really they have plenty of motivation already. Lemay wasn't really necessary to motivate Constance to get together with d'Artagnan. Marguerite wasn't really necessary to motivate Rochefort's suspicion.

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  141. Page7 March 2015 at 01:53

    Bless you. lol


    I don't know why, but his pain gets to me a little more than the others sometimes.

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  142. Sandi7 March 2015 at 02:14

    I'm afraid that it is definitely going ahead, BBC America will be showing eps 9 & 10 six days before BBC One are unfortunately. I had confirmation of it last week from the BBC and Jessica via email and posted the news. It's upset a lot of people, as you can imagine.


    I have had a feeling ever since the BBC Worldwide announcement that it is them and BBC America that are paying for the bulk of S3, rather than it coming from the Licence Fee. (The BBC still haven't said anything at all about the renewal.) If that is the case, then I would assume it would be BBC America who would broadcast first - but that would have nothing to do with these two episodes having been shown first over there.

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  143. Angela Holder7 March 2015 at 02:30

    I'm just anxious to see everything BBCA cut out. When I got season 1 on DVD I was surprised at how much I missed!! I'm with you Knitty wine, snacks and 10 straight hours of Musketeers!

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  144. Angela Holder7 March 2015 at 02:48

    Well said Page I agree on both counts. Having said that I actually like Lemay and wouldn't mind him staying in the show if they can find things for him to do worthy of the character and actor. Marguerite on the other hand I could have done without all together!

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  145. Scoobie7 March 2015 at 02:54

    I see what you're saying Bunnery but I simply don't think she needed another viable choice. D'Artagnan is plenty viable as it is. Lol. It wasn't a competition. The one absolute was that we knew where her heart truly lay. I would have understood it if you'd sensed that somehow D'Art didn't love her enough, or was neglectful of her but dear God we just had an episode where he was willing to literally give up his life for her. Poor Lemay didn't even merit consideration frankly and that made it utterly pointless. I think they've really struggled to give Constance the kind of viable storylines she deserves this year. By and large her sub-plots have been dreadful. Fingers crossed there's more of her to come, in which case I hope they work on this next year.

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  146. Scoobie7 March 2015 at 02:56

    Cheers Bunnery. What a nice thing to say.😊

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  147. Cyndi7 March 2015 at 03:03

    I knew there would be poison!

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  148. Cyndi7 March 2015 at 03:09

    This isn't real life! Deep love can't die on tv. Say it's not so!

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  149. Angela Holder7 March 2015 at 03:09

    Won't get to watch the ep until tomorrow night just read through all your posts and ad usual you have me very excited to see it! Sounds like things are going to end well for or rather between Porthos and Treville so this may be one episode I won't be saying my poor Treville!

    The final scene between the Queen and Rochefort sounds intense. I have to ask does she get away from him and if so where does she go or rather who does she go to...does she go for help?

    Have been wondering how they are going to play that. Will Constance or the Musketeers found out what he did to her and how will Rochefort explain the patch!

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  150. Scoobie7 March 2015 at 03:09

    There is a real innocence to Porthos but one of the joys of his character is that he feels everything so acutely. He celebrates and rejoices to the max in happy times and is genuinely affected by loss and sadness. His moods are so infectious. It was his smile as he watched D'Artagnan kissing Constance that actually made me say aww. Howard is just wonderful at depicting the gentle soul beneath the solid exterior.

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  151. Scoobie7 March 2015 at 03:16

    Yep. The thing is, how is Rochefort going to avoid suspicion here? The King is literally foaming at the mouth. He's got to try to pin this on someone fast, which makes me very nervous about poor Lemay and indeed Constance. Might he suggest that they are both loyal to the Queen and have been poisoning the King as part of the Queen's "treasonous" plot?

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  152. Page7 March 2015 at 03:41

    I do like Lemay, and the actor. The purpose of his character seemed too contrived, but I did enjoy Aramis and Lemay tag-teaming their skills to save Treville.

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  153. Julia7 March 2015 at 03:48

    Another great episode! To me Porthos' story felt a little secondary in the episode but nonetheless I did enjoy it. There were some great moments again with the boys and between the Queen and Constance as well. I loved the Athos/Milady scene in the tavern! I wouldn't say I ship it but they have such an interesting dynamic their scenes are always fun to watch. The ending though!!!!! While I do think it escalated a little quickly my heart was racing the entire time. I am SUPER excited for these final two episodes now! But incredibly bummed about this break. Not gonna lie I have thought about watching an american link after it airs but I would much rather wait and watch it when the rest of you UK fans will so that is what I shall do :) Side note- The Musketeers finally has an air date here in Canada for season 2!! I can't wait to watch these lads on a bigger hd screen haha

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  154. Tigercheetah7 March 2015 at 08:29

    I'm still not overjoyed about d'Artagnan's storylines - or lack of - this year and I really hope that he's pushed forward a bit more next year. Luke's version of d'Artagnan is the least prominant in the history of the stories - having grown up with several versions, including Dogatnan :) and Chris O'Donnell - and it would be a shame to see Luke's more powerful portrayal of the character go to waste and for Adrian's vision for the character to be done in a half-hearted way.

    I think all the Musketeers are in the same boat, with Athos still attached to Milady and his past for his storylines and Aramis getting an OK but not great episode ( for me ) away from Anne and the baby.

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  155. Ares7 March 2015 at 09:18

    I have watched the episode this morning and i thought it was ok but not as good as some of the others.

    Individual bits in the episode were good - i did feel the Porthos storyline was slightly secondary really to the finale with the Queen and Rochefort - which seemed to escalate at double speed.

    Milady is in trouble i fear now - she should have told Athos when she had the chance (although that wouldnt hang the bit out for another episode). I couldnt work out why she wanted the money from him - especially as she didn't take money from him last week. That short scene (why couldnt they have made it longer) was brilliant - from him reaching out for her hand to the look in her eyes as his angry words obviously touched a nerve - great, i think i will have to re-watch it a few times.

    I don't want anything to happen to her now - i know it can't work but at least let her get some redemption and i know she didn't help Treville.

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  156. Ares7 March 2015 at 09:24

    I don't think it is just D'Artagnan - i felt that through a lot of the earlier episodes Athos was merely a coat hanger in the background, and whilst Porthos had the odd line or bit of action, he too has suffered . I suppose that is the way the writers chose to take the format this series.

    Don't think it has done them any favours but then when the main arc was to be the ludicrous baby story (i groaned inside when it became clear that this was to be the main thread through the 10 episodes) i guess something had to make way.

    D'artagnan has been too reliant upon Constance and ditto Athos with Milady.

    I have struggled at times to stay with some episodes for those reasons.

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  157. Kate7 March 2015 at 09:29

    I don't know if it's been mentioned already but with the scene at the end of this episode of Anne
    praying when Rochefort comes in and then the promo scene with Louis
    being poisoned (presumably by Rochefort) - did anyone else think back to
    Constance's "vision" from Emilie?

    ...or am I just looking too much into a drugged-soup nightmare sequence? haha

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  158. Liztenn7 March 2015 at 10:01

    I will certainly join the 'all weather cape' admiration society! Wow, did he look hot - his obvious frustration with Constance made him look even hotter! I do understand why he made it clear he would not hang around forever. He has been told on multiple occasions that she could not be with him and I am sure that he thought their time had come after she declared her love for him. Conversely I also understand why Constance would feel some guilt. As someone else has said, Constance isn't aware of her husband's last words so it was totally understandable that D'Artagnan felt as he did. Liked his honesty with her.

    I do wonder why every scene where the two of them kiss, they have an audience! Lol!

    I enjoyed the episode and it certainly set-up the season finale beautifully. As others, I still cannot believe the BBC. I have tweeted the BBC and emailed my annoyance too!

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  159. deeannjay7 March 2015 at 10:24

    Thanks for the information Sandi. I have VERY mixed feelings about this. As I said above, I do appreciate BBC America and BBC Worldwide's contribution to the show, and I don't attach any blame to them for BBC 1's horrendous treatment of the show. But it will feel very strange watching these 2 episodes and knowing that the loyal, licence-paying fans here are, in effect, watching a "repeat" Also, what will Spoiler TV's policy be re information that is posted on the site during the delay between the US and UK transmissions? Will I have to avoid the site during those weeks?

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  160. OverlyObssesedBadger7 March 2015 at 11:05

    I found the episode quite good! Then the ending scene with Anne and Rochefort just completely changed the tempo of everything!! I re-watched it this morning and i actually couldn't watch that scene again, it was seriously uncomfortable! She should have ran away and got Aramis with Constance

    I loved when Anne said to Constance about Aramis, it shows how much she trusts her!


    Also loved in the promo when Aramis just shoves Marguritte out the way haha!

    Looking forward to 15th when I can watch ep9 on Couchtuner, rather than watching a stream at 2AM!!

    Also, Sandi, when are you posting ep9 advanced preview? Monday?

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  161. athena10087 March 2015 at 11:11

    I liked it and have watched it twice since last night when I got home from work but did not think it was the best of the season. It does improve on repeat watching.

    I think the amount of money Milady is asking for is more than what Athos was going to give her last week, or she just did not want the charity from him last week but she is willing to sell the information. I really had no problem with the Milady and Treville scene last week as many did. She has no reason to look out for anybody but herself and that is what she was doing last week and Treville was collateral damage. I also do not want her to be redeemed ...she can stay a grey character for season 3 if she is involved in season 3. I do agree with you about the scene with her and Athos, wish it has been longer.

    The one thing I did not like last night was when the queen told Constance about the baby's paternity. Nice way to get Constance in trouble for treason also...not to mention the more people that know a secret the more likely it is to not be a secret for long.

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  162. Kara7 March 2015 at 11:12

    I've been thinking about this, and there was an axe dripping with blood wasn't there? I'm wondering if this is how Rochefort will meet his end?

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  163. Black Canary7 March 2015 at 12:39

    I loved the episode. I'm still a bit angry that Porthos storyline wasn't addressed sooner, but I still liked it. I got all teary when Belgard hugged him and he closed his eyes. Poor Porthos :( I was glad that Aramis was there with him and that he has a true fatherfigure in Treville. One for all and all for Porthos. I just love this brotherhood.

    The Milady/Athos scene was wonderful. I just love how dramatic they are. I know that they are unhealthy and stuff, but damn, I enjoy how complicated they are. Call me a hypocrite, but I am much more judgemental of Constance/D'Artagnan. Idk why. They are supposed to be this innocent ship compared to the darker ones like Milady/Athos or Aramis/Anne. But I always feel like I wanna protect Constance from everything. And it was a few times now that I rolled my eyes at D'Artagnan. Idk why, because I roll my eyes all the time at Athos/Aramis, but I feel like I'm supposed to cheer for D'Artagnan in comparison. And I don't. I just wanna hug Constance.
    Speaking of protectconstanceatallcosts: when the queen told her who her son's real father is, I wanted to hug Constance too. Damn it, she had to lay this big secret on her and kinda put her in danger too.
    The ending of the episode was awesome. Rochefort was creepy as hell when he started to cry and when he then started to kiss her. I loved how Anne used her hairpin as a weapon. That was so badass. I'm glad that Constance stepped in in the right moment, though I fear she will be Rochefort's first target next episode, because she witnessed everything.

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  164. IssyGark7 March 2015 at 12:47

    I think she has her pride. She is willing to earn money by selling information but not to accept what she saw as charity, especially when it had conditions attached ('leave Paris'). She has to earn money somehow, and selling information is probably the least repellent way she can. Athos didn't really give her a chance to consider telling him for free before he launched into a tirade against her and left.

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  165. Sandi7 March 2015 at 12:53

    Yep, it should go up Monday. I am out all day on Mondays though, so not sure what time it will be yet though.

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  166. Knitty427 March 2015 at 13:02

    Please write their storyline next year. :D

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  167. Sandi7 March 2015 at 13:03

    Some of the UK fans will be using the G+ Community, which is what some of the BBC America fans did at the start of the run. The link is by my author box in the episode info pages or a preview post (I'm on my tablet atm, so can't link directly very easily).

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  168. Justme7 March 2015 at 13:18

    Hello everyone! I could not really say anything untill now! Very intenso epi. My two favourites scenes were first with At./Mi. in the tavern, the I gave you everything speech was just precious, the way he widened his eyes and the delivery, so honest and I think that for the first time without anger or rage in his voice, beautifully done! The other was the scene between Qu./Const., I have cried like a baby, so silly I know. The Qu. expression when confessing her deepest desires, I wish his father could enjoy these precious moments and I can never be free to love as I want, just killed me! Alexandra was perfect! Thank God we have D'Art/Const. to make us happy! So sweet! Glad that Port. had closure on his history! Also glad for Howard to be able to explore his acting chops further! Loved Liam C., always amazing, but the whole virgin auction thing was not interesting at all to me, and the Lavesque carachter so over the top, made me laugh, I actually thought he was the comic relief! Crazy Roch. on your eye, well done! Great scene as well, Mr Warren is scary, the way he showed vulnerability in a moment and a full on rage the next minute, kudos! Also I think we have seen better fights in the show, the whole hat thing did not convince me at all, but D'Art. was amazing, great swordsmanship! I still wish for more scenes with the King! I think that the show should use Gage more. In the end I think the epi. achieved its goal, to get us anxious for the finale! Now on another note regarding the epi 9 preview, I think I finnally understood why Margu. annoys me so much, she is such a victim! I know that is her role, but still, girl be proud! I wonder if in the end she will kill herself! This is one thing I love about Milady, regardless of who she is and what she has done, she refuses to be a victim, even at her own cost!

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  169. Knitty427 March 2015 at 13:22

    * That rant aside, I'm still baffled as to why Anne would share that with
    Constance when she didn't have to. It does indeed put her in danger as
    an accomplice.*

    It does, but remember Anne has zero friends (that we know of) apart from Constance. She has this huge secret that she's not been able to confide to anyone, and I think it's a measure of her trust and affection for Constance that she admitted the truth to her. Such a devastating secret eating away at you with no outlet must be such a heavy burden. At this point they're still unaware of the danger from Rochefort, and maybe Anne thought it was safe to admit the truth to a friend who would, under other circumstances, never have breathed a word or come under suspicion. Perhaps Anne though the truth would never be exposed and it was safe to talk.

    If there were more time between that conversation and what's presumably coming up in episodes 9 and 10, it might have been interesting to see another talk between them, and Anne getting Constance's perspective on the whole thing. Another 'lost' scene!

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  170. Scoobie7 March 2015 at 13:34

    Kate myself and Helen were discussing this some time ago on another thread. I remain pretty convinced that Constance's soup induced vision was essentially the first massive clue we were given about the finale.

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  171. Scoobie7 March 2015 at 13:46

    Constagnan certainly are very fond of PDA!😉 High time they took it somewhere much more private. The problem is, that between the Palace and the Garrison, their range of options is somewhat limited. Time to hop up on the horse and head out of town methinks.😄 On another note, I wonder what will now happen with Bonacieux's house? Technically Constance should inherit it, if it was owned by him. However, I could certainly see the dead draper having one last laugh and leaving his earthlies to another family member, thus disinheriting his unfaithful wife.

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  172. Ares7 March 2015 at 13:48

    My feelings about the Treville scene are much the same, i guess she feels that she is alone and that she must look after herself so why should she help anyone else.

    I am sure she will be around next series - my fear is that she will ride off into the distance - like last series end and then appear again unexpectedly in the next series. That has already been done once.

    Queenie had to tell Constance - for plot development reasons i expect.

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  173. Tigercheetah7 March 2015 at 13:56

    I don't think d'Artagnan is as "innocent" or "cute" as some people seem to think he is - "the puppy" as some fans still call him - because IMO, I think he's become more dominant and more 'aggressive' this year and it's something quite a few people have spotted. He's always had this dominant streak - the way he killed Vadim, Labarge and Sarazin last year was seen by quite a few people to be more aggressive than the way the other three kill and he strangled one bad guy in The Good Traitor this year, quite a personal way to kill someone.
    Whether this was intentional on the part of the writers, I don't know..

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  174. Scoobie7 March 2015 at 13:57

    To be honest, Constance was already in danger. She's been on Rochefort's radar now since episode one. Her "interference" alone would be enough to make her life extremely difficult. I actually think that in some respects Anne's honesty may be a saving grace. Constance now knows the full picture and the exact extent of the trouble Anne, Aramis, the Dauphin and indeed possibly she herself, are now in and can recognise the threat. In this instance, not knowing might be even more lethal. Clearly it also means she's in a position to warn Aramis. I just wonder whether he will now tell his fellow Musketeers. Certainly if something happens to Constance and D'Artagnan discovered that she was holding this secret, he'll never forgive Aramis. The truth will have to come out, I suspect.

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  175. Anon(ymous Goat)7 March 2015 at 13:59

    I'm very much of the two to tango argument re Aramis and the Queen. They would both be aware of the consequences of that. And Aramis would actually be more likely to come worse off and he has- not being able to see his son. (If indeed it is his as someone said before but since we're in days before Jeremy Kyle, we'll have to take it as decided). Also was it love? He was grieving and she was comforting... Also Adele would know the consequences too. She didn't seem daft. Marguerite however... Now we know Aramis was using her. Bad Aramis. Although to be fair, he didn't lie and say he was in love. But she seemed aware of his reputation, still slept with him and the got all 'oh woe is me' when Rochefort threatened to tell her family she had been with someone who is supposidly beneath her. She'd never admit to being with Aramis even though she apparently loves him...

    Also to Scoobie below me- d'art should be mad at the queen, not Aramis. No big mouth Queenie put Constance in that position. Aramis has kept his mouth firmly shut so far.

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  176. Helen7 March 2015 at 14:01

    It was definitely the response that you would expect from him after hearing that from Bonacieux. Bonacieux seem to only care about his own vanity and reputation and didn't careless what was best for d'Artagnan. That Constagnan garrison scene was sublime! :)

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  177. Scoobie7 March 2015 at 14:03

    Yeah, I don't think he'd be too happy with the Queen either under those circumstances.

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  178. Helen7 March 2015 at 14:04

    Yes, definitely think you were right with that observation Scoobie. It is too much of a coincidence, especially with the poisoning of Louis which appears to happen in episode 9.

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  179. Knitty427 March 2015 at 14:09

    True, but Luke does do 'kicked puppy' very well. ;)

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  180. Kate7 March 2015 at 14:10

    Yeah, that was the last part of it! One would hope that if the dream was foreshadowing, the axe would be for Rochefort but I wouldn't be surprised if Aramis has a close call - Rochefort could call him out on his relationship with the queen or maybe set him up to accuse him of poisoning the king?

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  181. Knitty427 March 2015 at 14:10

    I'm still on the fence as to whether I'll have to write my fanfic or not. The visions do seem to be manifesting, but the one about Louis...? The only one I really hope does appear is the bloody executioner's blade on Rochefort's neck.

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  182. Knitty427 March 2015 at 14:16

    Nah, the last laugh would be Constance inheriting everything as his widow, then marrying her Musketeer and the entire house and business being legally d'Artagnan's. :P

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  183. Tigercheetah7 March 2015 at 14:21

    That's true :) but even I've been surprised by his much older feel this year..
    This is the guy who seemed to satisfy Milady in the sack at the start of S1 - after she complained to the Cardinal that the guy she murdered was "a bad lover and a terrible bore" as she put it - so I don't think d'Art is as innocent as some people think he is. I'm getting the impression that some people have been a bit shocked at d'Artagnan this year - the way he speaks to Constance when he's frustrated, hurt or worried and the aggressive way that he's killed some people, including strangulation in the market place in episode 3 - but there's always been hints of that in his character right from the start..

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  184. Knitty427 March 2015 at 14:21

    Yes, I think when d'Artagnan finds out and learns that Constance knows, he'll understand her awkward position and any anger will be aimed at Aramis, and possibly Athos if his involvement comes out too. We've already discussed the potential fallout between the boys and Treville when it all hits the fan, and if Constance is put in danger because of it d'Art will NOT be a happy puppy.

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  185. deeannjay7 March 2015 at 14:22

    Thanks for this Sandy. I've been having a bit of a think about this and have decided to avoid Musketeers-related sites altogether from next weekend. In fact, I am thinking of even avoiding the BBC One broadcasts and pre-ordering the DVD to watch the last two episodes as a treat over the Easter weekend. Also thinking of contacting the BBC and congratulating them on losing a viewer!

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  186. Kate7 March 2015 at 14:24

    Yeah, it seemed like a good foreshadowing opportunity at the time... if it is playing out like this - the queen in 2x08, the king in 2x09 - it'll be interesting to see if the last bit of the dream is in 2x10, and who it involves (hoping Rochefort but I feel like Aramis is going to be in trouble)

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  187. Scoobie7 March 2015 at 14:24

    I supect it was D'Artagnan's impulsiveness coupled with his fearless nature that made some fans see him as puppyish. I think he's definitely transitioned out of his puppy phase this year. I also agree with you that there has always been a ferocious temper and powerful aggression beneath that gentle and very appealing exterior. Sometimes you can see that he struggles to control it. Indeed in the scene with Constance last week, when she tells him that her injury was caused by Bonacieux, his intense anger is almost frightening for her. For a moment she got a glimpse of the guy who can drag a man from his moving horse and stick his sword straight through his chest/stomach. He's never lacked aggression and a fighters instinct. What's more he relishes a fight. We saw that in the very first episode as he fights the guys at the in. He actually looks at one of them with real delight at the prospect of gutting him.

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  188. Knitty427 March 2015 at 14:27

    He certainly didn't arrive from Gascony as a pure and innocent farmboy! No lad learns the tricks he apparently tried out on the very experienced and hard to please Milady that night (THREE TIMES!!!) without practice! I imagine there are probably more than a few young ladies in Lupiac lamenting his departure.:)

    Perhaps some viewers mistook his earnest naivete and enthusiasm for innocence, rather than that of someone who's just young, but not necessarily clueless about life? I never presumed he was a blank slate before coming to Paris, and it'd be interesting if this was explored next year, with him going home to Gascony for some reason. It worked very well with the Athos episode, and with Luke expressing a wish to have d'Artagnan go a bit darker, it might be a good opportunity to see another colour of his character. Or at least one we may not have seen so far.

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  189. Scoobie7 March 2015 at 14:34

    I think her vision was a worse case scenario. Almost a warning, so to speak. The executioners axe could equally be a reference to treason, which was punishable by death. There could be a number of characters who could be facing that prospect as we enter the finale.

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  190. Tigercheetah7 March 2015 at 14:37

    I must admit, I'd quite like the idea of d'Artagnan being given a storyline that brings up his past for some reason but I sometimes think the producers believe that d'Art didn't have a past before coming to Paris to kill Athos. Clearly, his mother was already dead before his father was killed, leaving him alone in that sense.

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  191. Anon(ymous Goat)7 March 2015 at 14:45

    I would have thought Constance would be in more danger now because of what she witnessed. Yes, knowing that secret doesn't help but she walked in on that horrific last scene. She is the only other person there to give evidence of what happened. Rochefort won't want that. He'll not want people knowing the Queen acted in self-defense...

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  192. Knitty427 March 2015 at 14:49

    Nah, I'm keeping my fingers crossed it's One Eyed Willie. :)

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  193. Knitty427 March 2015 at 14:51

    Rochefort will have more than a few reasons to aim his gunsights on her. The letters to Spain, her continual opposition of him, her closeness to the Queen, The attack scene, and of course her relationship with d'Artagnan and friendship with the Musketeers. He'll pick one reason to lock her up, but I imagine doing so will cover a number of reasons he wants her gone.

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  194. Elszy7 March 2015 at 14:54

    In my Extremely Very Humble Opinion, I seriously don't understand Treville. Not a single day passed that he hasn't regretted his actions, yet he had Porthos dangling for years on end, even when our favorite giant teddybear asked him about it. More than once. I believe that if Treville would have told Porthos everything, open and honest and truthfully, the Musketeer would have seen the truth in his captain's words. Despite the odds. "He has to find out on his own" is a load of donkey dung, if you'll pardon me my not so french.

    That said, I loved the episode. Athos drawn like a magnet toward Milady and at the same time fighting hard to keep his distance. Aramis - boy is he getting more charming by the episode or is it me - treading carefully, being there for Porthos, a good friend and at the same time unaware of what's hanging over his head. Porthos, divided by loyalty and family, never giving up on the captain he has so much esteem for, despite their quarrel. d'Artagnan was somewhat invisible but still a sight for sore eyes and I do so much love the interaction between him and Constance. (I'm a bit puzzled by why some people say they don't see chemistry. I do!). Constance needs to be feisty, like in "I'll gut you like a fish" from episode 1, season 1. That's slightly gone, hope it gets back soon.
    Ah and then Rochefort and the Queen. Blimey it's hard to grasp where this will lead to. But why did Rochefort force himself onto her while he has been so patient for such a long time? And the queen, with the hairpin, going straight for him when he imposed himself onto her... Go Anne!
    So, yes, I liked this episode a lot.
    Anyone dying already to throw tomatoes about my Treville-comment? (ducking!)

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  195. Scoobie7 March 2015 at 14:54

    Love it!😃

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  196. Anon(ymous Goat)7 March 2015 at 14:54

    Me too. He certainly can't carry on being big villain for another series now- he can't loose the plot much more.

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  197. Scoobie7 March 2015 at 14:57

    I should say, I'm definitely not ruling out the possibility that he will end up sans tete but my guess is that given "treason" is in the air, several folks will be threatened with the swinging axe....

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  198. Anon(ymous Goat)7 March 2015 at 14:58

    Yeah, poor Constance is stuck right in it. But she won't go down without a fight! Gosh, I'd forgot about those letters to Spain... Ooo...

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  199. Anon(ymous Goat)7 March 2015 at 15:05

    Treville has done it before though with Aramis re Savoy. In fact that ended much the same way with three people pointing guns...Yeah, he could do with speaking up a tad sooner!

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  200. Knitty427 March 2015 at 15:06

    Feisty was there! I loved the way d'Artagnan tried to interrupt her and she said "I'm not finished yet". :P

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