I'll forgive a pilot partly because we are being introduced to new characters, not lost hope yet because the upcoming previews look good. The problem for me is the direction and editing which can take away from the viewing experience.
What is wrong with trying something different and airing a 11 episode "cable" like series that might have a shot at Emmy nominations? ABC still has 17 hours a week to program shows that can pull higher ratings...movie studios release prestige movies at the end of the year and go for the Oscar why shouldnt ABC or the other networks at least air one show a year that has serious Emmy aspirations?
I think you're being a little unfair here. American Crime is provocative, intense realism that plays more like a Scared Straight documentary than an fictional drama. The racial struggles and racism portrayed here feel palpable and not at all like some soapy melodrama. This ain't light mindless entertainment that broad mass network television audiences are accustomed to seeing on their television.. I liked it a lot but this is obviously not going to appeal to very many Scandal and Empire fans looking for fast paced story telling and bigger than life characters acting outrageously. No hip hop soundtrack here to sell on iTunes, either. To each his own. I really like Agents of SHIELD, by the way, and now American Crime, so what does that say about me? :).
I doubt ABC is expecting Scandal type ratings and certainly nothing remotely close to FOX's Empire. American Crime is a high profile prestige drama and it's only one hour of their weekly programming schedule for eleven weeks. There is nothing else like it on network television so there might be a strong enough niche audience for something of this caliber. The 10pm hour is better suited to experiment with this type of adult drama anyway. I thought American Crime was great. I didn't find it boring at all and didn't have a problem with the slower pacing but to each his own..
It definitely has that feel of something you'd see on those networks, no question. But I do admire ABC for trying something a little different anyway-even if these sorts of shows don't become a regular thing on network TV, it's still neat to see stuff like this every now and again. I liked tonight's episode-everything with the Gutierrez family has me really intrigued, and I'm already hooked on all the stuff with Barb and Russ and the secrets their son apparently was hiding and so on. Course, I like Felicity Huffman, so that helps-she's doing a great job of making Barb both irritating and sympathetic all at the same time. And I'm curious how this case will play out, too. So I'm up for what's next. But I also understand why this sort of drama might not click with others, too. Sometimes slower-paced stories just aren't some people's thing. It happens. *Shrugs*
Or maybe it's not their cup of tea, which is completely understandable. It surely isn't mine, not because I don't get it, but because it simply doesn't appeal to me. I don't deny the great level of acting or the tight script it has, it has many great qualities, but I simply don't see a reason for coming back as I didn't engage with most of its characters, but merely one or two
Honestly, I liked the pilot to an extent. My major problem is that I truly didn't engage with the characters, which is a shame considering how well acted this show is. At the end of the hour I didn't feel like coming back. However, I think the show is so well made as a whole that I may give it a second chance, but I don't feel really engaged as of right now
There is a reason why these shows are typically on cable...not enough people has the intelligence to enjoy them so they prefer unreal characters like Cookie Lyons, Olivia Pope and Red Reddington with unrealistic behaviors. AC is about REAL people with REAL problems.
I wouldn't go as far as questioning the intelligence of what people watch, it's insulting. Some people just don't follow these real people problems because TV is an escape for them, they already have those shares of problems in real life; it'd surprised you how many people think that way.
I could engage with AC should we have spent a little bit more time with its characters, but as a whole it felt really scattered, they presented way too many at once and I didn't feel a connection with many of them
No Fred, it's your choice of wording "too intelligent" that I have a problem with. It sounds just a little obnoxious to indirectly imply that only less intelligent viewers wouldn't like American Crime which is how some might interpret your comment. Why anyone watches and enjoys any program is unique to them. Comparing comic book Superhero shows to a realistic adult drama and their respective audiences is silly. Honestly could you have picked two more disparate types of shows than The Flash, Arrow and SHIELD vs American Crime? There is nothing wrong or inferior with pure mindless escapism (The Flash), just as there is nothing wrong with a grim, realistic adult drama (American Crime). The key demographic audience will always be much bigger for escapist fare. I think you could have made your point better without sounding insulting is really all I am trying to say. Maybe substituting "too serious and dark" for "too intelligent" would have been a better choice.
I want to love this show -- and I certainly know the caliber of these actors is worth watching -- but I agree with some of the commenters who disliked how you didn't get to know the characters / story. I was so distracted by the jump cuts, and bizarre editing that I couldn't quiet grasp all of the dialogue and had to re-watch to see what was really being said / implied. I wanted to know more about Russ / Matt / Barb and then it cut to some young kids making out. I certainly see the intelligence behind this show, but almost wish it told more of a story than just fragments at a time. I hope in upcoming episodes we really get a feel for the bigger picture, a deeper look at the characters/ relationships, and not just portraits of grieving fathers / innocent kids / druggies. That being said, definitely tuning in next week -- What sold me was Tim and Felicity.
Agreed. This does deal with some pretty serious topics that have been in the news lately, and even if a show handles those topics well, I can see where some people would just prefer to watch lighter stories, too, over the serious drama stuff, and just turn to the news instead if they want that kind of realistic drama. I've never been a fan of the condescending, "Oh, it's just too smart for your brain to handle" attitude some people have. TV can be a brilliant art form, no question, I don't want to dismiss the power it can have with the stories it tells. But at the end of the day, it's still TV. It's still ultimately entertainment of some kind first and foremost. It's not something people need to use to lord their intelligence over others with.
It's definitely on the wrong network though I do applaud ABC for giving it a chance.
Overall it felt a bit convoluted, and I thought it was trying a bit too hard. But the acting was spectacular. Maybe it will find it's rhythm in the next couple of episodes. I'll keep it on my radar though I don't think I'll make it a point to catch up on it.
The pilot felt campred and disjointed. I liked what I was seeing but they need to do a better job at juggling all the different aspects they have introduced.
They are trying to be Breaking Bad. They got the Bad part right. Oh look, a racist white lady - how gritty. Hey, honey, wanna bet they arrest the kid from the garage? Yep, there they go. Look how clever they are by showing us that stereotypes are wrong. I feel so educated now. Click.
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Booooring .... what the hell was that?
ReplyDeleteDid not like this show at all. It was so boring.
ReplyDeleteI've been saying it since may that this kinda show belongs on FX or HBO.
ReplyDeleteSecrets and Lies was much easier to get into and paced well. Out of the two, it was a lot more on brand for ABC.
ReplyDeleteI'll forgive a pilot partly because we are being introduced to new characters, not lost hope yet because the upcoming previews look good. The problem for me is the direction and editing which can take away from the viewing experience.
ReplyDeleteI guess this show is just too much for the ADHD crowd that watches Flash, Arrow and AOS every week. It is too intelligent for some people, great show.
ReplyDeleteNever mind buddy, go back to your soaps like Scandal and empire. That's the kind of TV that "entertains" you....
ReplyDeleteAfter I finished the first season of Homeland I´m kind of depressed for watching Scandal
ReplyDeleteWhat is wrong with trying something different and airing a 11 episode "cable" like series that might have a shot at Emmy nominations? ABC still has 17 hours a week to program shows that can pull higher ratings...movie studios release prestige movies at the end of the year and go for the Oscar why shouldnt ABC or the other networks at least air one show a year that has serious Emmy aspirations?
ReplyDeleteI think you're being a little unfair here. American Crime is provocative, intense realism that plays more like a Scared Straight documentary than an fictional drama. The racial struggles and racism portrayed here feel palpable and not at all like some soapy melodrama. This ain't light mindless entertainment that broad mass network television audiences are accustomed to seeing on their television.. I liked it a lot but this is obviously not going to appeal to very many Scandal and Empire fans looking for fast paced story telling and bigger than life characters acting outrageously. No hip hop soundtrack here to sell on iTunes, either. To each his own. I really like Agents of SHIELD, by the way, and now American Crime, so what does that say about me? :).
ReplyDeleteI'll still give the pilot a chance tomorrow morning. Abc is definitely the wrong channel.
ReplyDeleteI doubt ABC is expecting Scandal type ratings and certainly nothing remotely close to FOX's Empire. American Crime is a high profile prestige drama and it's only one hour of their weekly programming schedule for eleven weeks. There is nothing else like it on network television so there might be a strong enough niche audience for something of this caliber. The 10pm hour is better suited to experiment with this type of adult drama anyway. I thought American Crime was great. I didn't find it boring at all and didn't have a problem with the slower pacing but to each his own..
ReplyDeleteIt definitely has that feel of something you'd see on those networks, no question. But I do admire ABC for trying something a little different anyway-even if these sorts of shows don't become a regular thing on network TV, it's still neat to see stuff like this every now and again.
ReplyDeleteI liked tonight's episode-everything with the Gutierrez family has me really intrigued, and I'm already hooked on all the stuff with Barb and Russ and the secrets their son apparently was hiding and so on. Course, I like Felicity Huffman, so that helps-she's doing a great job of making Barb both irritating and sympathetic all at the same time. And I'm curious how this case will play out, too. So I'm up for what's next.
But I also understand why this sort of drama might not click with others, too. Sometimes slower-paced stories just aren't some people's thing. It happens. *Shrugs*
Unfair? I believe you are agreeing with me. Plus I never said that if you liked AOS was impossible for you to enjoy AC...but instead was unlikely
ReplyDeleteYeah, I know...it is just too much for some brains...short circuit....
ReplyDeleteYou're questioning viewer intelligence because they didn't care for this show? That's ironic.
ReplyDeleteI much preferred American Crime. I didn't like Secrets & Lies at all.
ReplyDeleteOr maybe it's not their cup of tea, which is completely understandable. It surely isn't mine, not because I don't get it, but because it simply doesn't appeal to me. I don't deny the great level of acting or the tight script it has, it has many great qualities, but I simply don't see a reason for coming back as I didn't engage with most of its characters, but merely one or two
ReplyDeleteHonestly, I liked the pilot to an extent. My major problem is that I truly didn't engage with the characters, which is a shame considering how well acted this show is. At the end of the hour I didn't feel like coming back. However, I think the show is so well made as a whole that I may give it a second chance, but I don't feel really engaged as of right now
ReplyDeleteThere is a reason why these shows are typically on cable...not enough people has the intelligence to enjoy them so they prefer unreal characters like Cookie Lyons, Olivia Pope and Red Reddington with unrealistic behaviors. AC is about REAL people with REAL problems.
ReplyDeleteYou say that as if there was something wrong with it
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't go as far as questioning the intelligence of what people watch, it's insulting. Some people just don't follow these real people problems because TV is an escape for them, they already have those shares of problems in real life; it'd surprised you how many people think that way.
ReplyDeleteI could engage with AC should we have spent a little bit more time with its characters, but as a whole it felt really scattered, they presented way too many at once and I didn't feel a connection with many of them
That is why Oscar-winning movies are rarely successful at the box office. People don't like these type of shows or understand them.
ReplyDeleteDepends of the Oscar winning movie. The Return of the King won best picture and was a major box office hit
ReplyDeleteIt was a beautifully nuanced hour of dramatic TV. Filled with sublime performances all around--and incredible directing. Visually impeccable.
ReplyDeleteThis is something i can see getting progressively faster and faster in pace each week.
Secrets & Lies was solid, but the dialogue was absolutely horrid. As was some of the acting.
ReplyDeleteTitanic also, that is why I said RARELY
ReplyDeleteNothing wrong, I watch those soaps too. But also enjoy smart TV shows.
ReplyDeleteNo Fred, it's your choice of wording "too intelligent" that I have a problem with. It sounds just a little obnoxious to indirectly imply that only less intelligent viewers wouldn't like American Crime which is how some might interpret your comment. Why anyone watches and enjoys any program is unique to them. Comparing comic book Superhero shows to a realistic adult drama and their respective audiences is silly. Honestly could you have picked two more disparate types of shows than The Flash, Arrow and SHIELD vs American Crime? There is nothing wrong or inferior with pure mindless escapism (The Flash), just as there is nothing wrong with a grim, realistic adult drama (American Crime). The key demographic audience will always be much bigger for escapist fare. I think you could have made your point better without sounding insulting is really all I am trying to say. Maybe substituting "too serious and dark" for "too intelligent" would have been a better choice.
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed it. I prefer Secrets & Lies though, mainly just because I prefer the cast.
ReplyDeleteI want to love this show -- and I certainly know the caliber of these actors is worth watching -- but I agree with some of the commenters who disliked how you didn't get to know the characters / story. I was so distracted by the jump cuts, and bizarre editing that I couldn't quiet grasp all of the dialogue and had to re-watch to see what was really being said / implied. I wanted to know more about Russ / Matt / Barb and then it cut to some young kids making out. I certainly see the intelligence behind this show, but almost wish it told more of a story than just fragments at a time. I hope in upcoming episodes we really get a feel for the bigger picture, a deeper look at the characters/ relationships, and not just portraits of grieving fathers / innocent kids / druggies. That being said, definitely tuning in next week -- What sold me was Tim and Felicity.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. This does deal with some pretty serious topics that have been in the news lately, and even if a show handles those topics well, I can see where some people would just prefer to watch lighter stories, too, over the serious drama stuff, and just turn to the news instead if they want that kind of realistic drama.
ReplyDeleteI've never been a fan of the condescending, "Oh, it's just too smart for your brain to handle" attitude some people have. TV can be a brilliant art form, no question, I don't want to dismiss the power it can have with the stories it tells. But at the end of the day, it's still TV. It's still ultimately entertainment of some kind first and foremost. It's not something people need to use to lord their intelligence over others with.
It's definitely on the wrong network though I do applaud ABC for giving it a chance.
ReplyDeleteOverall it felt a bit convoluted, and I thought it was trying a bit too hard.
But the acting was spectacular.
Maybe it will find it's rhythm in the next couple of episodes. I'll keep it on my radar though I don't think I'll make it a point to catch up on it.
That was really good. It's on the wrong channel though.
ReplyDeleteThe pilot felt campred and disjointed. I liked what I was seeing but they need to do a better job at juggling all the different aspects they have introduced.
ReplyDeleteI thought this was a great episode for like episode 6 but not as a pilot. :/
ReplyDeleteThey are trying to be Breaking Bad. They got the Bad part right. Oh look, a racist white lady - how gritty. Hey, honey, wanna bet they arrest the kid from the garage? Yep, there they go. Look how clever they are by showing us that stereotypes are wrong. I feel so educated now. Click.
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