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POLL : What did you think of 12 Monkeys - Shonin?

28 Mar 2015

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119 comments:

  1. ivan28 March 2015 at 02:07

    WHY WEREN'T YOU GUYS WRONG?!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY DID YOU HAVE TO BE SO SMART?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING RAMSE ALL THIS TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COLE'S BROTHER IS THE BIG BAD OF THE SHOW!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cassie DOES care then, that's better

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  2. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 02:09

    So much to say!


    First off: Whoa time travel. So much of it tonight it's enough to make your head spin.


    All 3 of my major theories I had came true tonight:


    -Ramse is the Witness
    -Aaron did go to the 12 Monkeys (to give them information or something else in exchange for sparing Cassie's and his life, I assume)
    -Cole was slingshot to 2015 and won't be time traveling again anytime soon


    Good News:


    -The 12 Monkeys have been preserving the timeline for Ramse's sake. Now that they're caught up and Ramse doesn't know what happens next Cole-wise, maybe Cole and Cassie can finally break the time loop they're in and make a difference!
    -If Cole's going to get stuck anywhere, 2015 is the place to be

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  3. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 02:09

    Told you she cares.

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  4. Andrea28 March 2015 at 02:13

    I haven't watched it yet. What happened with Cassie and Cole? I assume it was the very last scene (also did anyone watch the promo?)

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  5. migotka2128 March 2015 at 02:15

    Poor Ivan, I feel for you, you're so distressed right now. Maybe you should eat a choco bar? It could cheer you up. :)

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  6. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 02:15

    Not much of Cole and Cassie. She finds him on the ground bloody, dying, in the library. (Ramse stabbed him)

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  7. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 02:16

    I've made my peace with it. Seems like all too often the friend turns out bad in TV and movies.

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  8. Carrigon28 March 2015 at 02:16

    I doubt it will get resolved in the finale, though. But I'm curious to see the ep since they didn't know if they would get renewal when it was filmed.

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  9. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 02:18

    No I don't think it will either. The 12 Monkeys team is still a powerful foe. And if Aaron's giving them info that won't help.

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  10. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 02:20

    Bright side of this episode ivan: Cole is stuck in 2015 now and Aaron's going to the 12 Monkeys. How long before Aaron's secret gets out?

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  11. ivan28 March 2015 at 02:29

    should've believed you , sorry and she even got her hope back. Why is that anyway?when didn't you need any more hints to know that Ramse is The Witness. I basically knew when olivia sent him the letter

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  12. ivan28 March 2015 at 02:32

    yeah she finds him almost dying and tells her he figured out why the 12 Monkeys have been ahead of them this whole time and the identity of The Witness. The promo like always is CRAZY fast but they showed Cassie going to young Jones and tells her about Cole and Aaron saying to Cole that the Splintering is killing him

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  13. ivan28 March 2015 at 02:33

    i need 10 of those to even begin to cheer me up LOL, thanks

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  14. ivan28 March 2015 at 02:34

    why is that? i hate this word but why always have that trope. This is like Miles and Monroe from Revolution all over again!

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  15. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 02:35

    Me too. It was the letter that confirmed it for me. And also, I'm glad we got rid of that Ramse is the Pallid Man theory. They look nothing alike and Pallid man is so much taller than him.

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  16. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 02:37

    I don't know. Drama for the sake of drama. It instantly makes it way more complicated and personal when the enemy is someone you know.

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  17. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 02:40

    I have no idea why she got her hope back. Maybe because she wasn't drunk? As Cole said, it wasn't helping. :P

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  18. ivan28 March 2015 at 02:40

    true VERY true nice, thanks LOL. Doesn't make it easier though knowing this whole time we've been watching the fall of Ramse: the moral center, the conscience, the person feeding the good wolf turn into a psychopathic leader of murderous cult. It depends on what Aaron has to do, but definitely before the end of the season, i think in the interview they said we find out basically everything and i think that included Aaron

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  19. ivan28 March 2015 at 02:41

    you think she was drunk talking? is that a thing? LOL

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  20. ivan28 March 2015 at 02:42

    they DO call him the Tall Man LOL but yeah for a second i thought maybe but nah the compound would've blown up if that happened HA!

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  21. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 02:47

    That reminds me, I asked myself why is it only now I realized that when the two objects are close together and cause an explosion it's because they're combining/coming back together? I only realized that with the necklaces and now I feel I should have known that before.

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  22. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 02:48

    I don't know. I'm sort of joking here.

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  23. ivan28 March 2015 at 02:48

    now we know why it hasn't changed, Ramse wasn't letting it happen. Nice theory about the loop being stopped but Aaron, eesh this guy screwed up BIG time. You're right about Cole being stuck anywhere, it's in 2015. Did you notice in the "Previously On..." they showed all the loved ones to the characters and they showed Cole and Cassie?

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  24. ivan28 March 2015 at 02:49

    ohh! they're coming together? i thought they exploded. But the watches in the premiere?

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  25. ivan28 March 2015 at 02:50

    LO but i'm glad she has her hope back, SOMEONE needs it after all the crap they've been through

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  26. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 02:51

    If you look after the explosion, only one necklace was left. And in the first episode it was the same with the watch. Only one came flying out of the room and fell next to Goines' body.

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  27. ivan28 March 2015 at 02:51

    are you calling Aaron an antagonist, not just a ROMANTIC antagonist but a villain-like one?

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  28. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 02:52

    Yes definitely. She was also a voice of reason tonight with Aaron. He really thinks she'd hide with him while everyone else dies? Cassie's the least selfish person on this show. It's not going to happen man!

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  29. ivan28 March 2015 at 02:53

    son of a... WOW! so what would happen if that happened to Cole even if he's immune to paradoxes? did you notice the grass turning red? it feels like that's the Red Forest but maybe i'm wrong

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  30. ivan28 March 2015 at 02:54

    yeah she is isn't she? strange seeing AARON drunk this time

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  31. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 02:55

    I don't know for sure yet if it's the Red Forest, but I'm sure that's how the Red Forest was created.


    It's also made me wonder more why Cole's splinter in the bar last episode caused the plants there to go red.


    Something about paradoxes and/or time travel makes plants go red. I want to know why so bad right now.

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  32. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 02:57

    I guess everyone on this show's getting their turn. I think it was much weirder to see Goines high while discussing the value of an ancient corpse.

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  33. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 02:59

    No, just a selfish idiot. lol He has no idea what he's doing.

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  34. Lauren Ricotta28 March 2015 at 03:02

    Why isn't ramse aging?

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  35. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 03:04

    Yeah. I wouldn't read into previously on stuff too much but I know it's going to happen. I have faith that the writers will do something to make me happy. We couldn't keep Cole's and Ramse's friendship. We better at least get some romance.

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  36. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 03:06

    And the Pallid Man and Olivia the Striking Woman. There is something up with them all.

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  37. Lauren R28 March 2015 at 03:07

    Who could Olivia be? How would she know about Ramse? Why is she not aging either?

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  38. Shawn28 March 2015 at 03:14

    I'm guessing they are all time travelers sent by Jones's failed experiment and time traveler never ages because of Jones's injection?

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  39. ivan28 March 2015 at 03:14

    true LOL

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  40. ivan28 March 2015 at 03:14

    or maybe they didn't want to recast or age them up LOL

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  41. ivan28 March 2015 at 03:15

    Jennifer's mom LOL

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  42. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 03:16

    It's a possibility.

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  43. ivan28 March 2015 at 03:17

    don't want him with Cassie obviously but i don't think he's an idiot, he's in love. Let's just hope he's not another Ramse, did you even RECOGNIZE him? the way he talked to Cole in Tokyo, the jail scene. I cannot believe we loved him

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  44. ivan28 March 2015 at 03:18

    Observer-style from Fringe?

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  45. ivan28 March 2015 at 03:19

    yeah i guess than just having an enemy. It happened on The Flash too with Professor Zoom

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  46. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 03:19

    Ah, why'd you have to bring Fringe up? I miss that show and September. Sniff

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  47. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 03:20

    I don't think it's quite like the Observers. They were changed genetically. Made to be who they were.

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  48. ivan28 March 2015 at 03:21

    sorry LOL, Fringe really WAS the BEST sci-fi show in Television wasn't it? man i miss it so MUCH

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  49. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 03:23

    Me too. I got into the show late though. I started watching Season 1 as Season 5 was running. I only saw the last few episodes as they aired for the first time.

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  50. ivan28 March 2015 at 03:24

    if you're thinking that then didn't technically the injections make them who they are? then September aka Donald turned normal and his son Michael AW I MISS FRINGE SO MUCH!!!! can you BELIEVE they named the Striking Woman olivia?! they wanted to punch Fringe fans in the gut, giving that name to someone evil and saying to Kirk Acevedo aka Charlie

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  51. ivan28 March 2015 at 03:26

    oh wow i thought you were a long-time viewer. How much did you hate the Fauxlivia arc in season 3?

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  52. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 03:29

    Well, love can make you an idiot. :P Going to the enemy for help is not what I'd consider a smart solution.


    The Ramse we knew is gone. They may as well have been 2 different people.


    I think before the jail time there was still some of him left. Even when he stabbed Cole, he was shocked at what he did and as his lawyer mentioned felt guilty as well. But after that jail time, all that suffering and the letters, it's definitely turned him into a completely different person. A cold shell of what he used to be.

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  53. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 03:31

    I honestly don't remember how all that worked. I thought it was part of their genetics.

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  54. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 03:32

    A lot. ha

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  55. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 03:33

    They look kind of alike don't they?

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  56. ivan28 March 2015 at 03:38

    oh God i completely forgot the Lincoln arc, and that one? you're lucky long-time fans had to go through for unbearable weeks, i know i shouldn't( because they gave it to us in Olivia's dream) but they never gave us a full love-making scene between Peter and Olivia

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  57. ivan28 March 2015 at 03:40

    it was a chip in their neck, when they took iy out of September he turned normal

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  58. ivan28 March 2015 at 03:40

    yeah LOL

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  59. ivan28 March 2015 at 03:41

    why not? they wouldn't have put if it meant nothing. Yeah thst BETTER give this to us after what they just did

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  60. ivan28 March 2015 at 03:44

    yeah i saw that look in Tokyo, he's just gone isn't he? Cole's brother is dead

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  61. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 03:53

    Years in a prison like that can do that to a person. Lesson: Don't get stuck in a jail in a foreign country. Makes the US prisons look tame.

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  62. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 03:55

    Yes. Yes. So it's not the same as injections.

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  63. ivan28 March 2015 at 04:15

    good lesson LOL

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  64. ivan28 March 2015 at 04:16

    i honestly think it's because they didn't want age-up the characters LOL

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  65. nobody28 March 2015 at 04:55

    Yes, this episode has brought us "full circle" with this series! The writing is well thought out and clever, which is why this series gets better and better each episode. Much like Helix the second half of the season has been great (No Spoilers). I stand by what I originally said about the "Striking Woman"............she is SCARY...........for a reason! I knew Ramse (he was just to self centered and self serving for me) wasn't on Cole's side, but who saw "THIS" coming........I didn't. Jennifer episodes are always the best IMO.............people need to start listening to her. I'm not sure why more people aren't watching this series, but they should because this is well written science - fiction at it's best! 4 THE MONKEY SCIENCE MADNESS, I am Nobody!!!

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  66. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 05:08

    Probably. But they're going to have to write something in to explain it.

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  67. ivan28 March 2015 at 05:27

    Aaron's new job is apparently what will become Spearhead

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  68. SGU28 March 2015 at 05:28

    Wow that was an amazing episode, so much strong acting, approaching Penny Dreadful levels at this stage! This show just continues to surprise and amaze me, I'm beyond glad it's renewed :) Can't wait to see how they end the season.

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  69. JazzyEli28 March 2015 at 06:27

    Stupid Ramse, well at least now season 2 will be about, Cole and Cassie fighting together to stop the unstoppable!!, GOOD!!.

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  70. principe.encantador28 March 2015 at 09:18

    I liked very much as Ramse yelled at Cole "Whole world's gonna die. You, me, Cassie" Ramse knowed that last word was going to cause more damage to Cole.

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  71. Derek11728 March 2015 at 16:57

    I had a lot of hope for 12 Monkeys when it debuted, but my expectations have been dashed...BIG time!


    I'm mostly not liking the casting & characters. As much as I like Aaron Stanford (from X-Men and Nikita), he's just not capable of carrying a TV series. It's a little like having Adam Sandler playing Macbeth...it just doesn't work. Noah Bean is more of a compelling "Lead" actor type, but he's cast as the 2d banana boyfriend. And, Amanda Schull, who I believe could carry off a Leading Role, isn't given much to work with.


    Beyond that, I think we all knew Ramse was going to turn out to be more of a Baddie than a Good Guy, so this twist didn't really have the impact that the writers hoped for. I'll watch the last episode of the season--and hope for the best in Season 2.

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  72. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 17:11

    Well, It's completely opposite for me.


    I love the casting and maybe I was in denial but I did not see Ramse going bad. I did however see the Witness reveal afterwards.

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  73. BlueStar28 March 2015 at 17:12

    Saw the sneak peek it enforces that Cassie cares. :)

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  74. Marie Laberge28 March 2015 at 21:32

    I didn't actually expect to be correct, but it's my right to say "I told you so".The moment a promo indicated that Ramse might be going back, I was all: "He's the Witness! That's why they Always know what's gonna happen!" Then, when Jennifer was ranting about how fathers and men are responsible for the world falling appart, I thought: "She doen't sound like such a fan of Cole anymore... oh no, she must have switched sides at some point." I can't wait to see what happens next! I really liked this episode because Ramse went through so much character development. He's a real enemy to contend with now, not just a desperate idiot who threw himself into a time machine. I just wonder how much power he'll have left in the organisation now that he hasn't witnessed anything more to be useful. I think the weird founded by the 12 Monkeys that work with emergency measures in case of a cataclysm will turn out to be the ones to invent the time-machine. Maybe Jones herself, the Spearhead staff and all the military folk will turn out to have unknowingly worked for the enemy before that plague. Maybe that's why THEY got a bunker to themselves, being THE government experts on disasters.

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  75. crysren28 March 2015 at 21:50

    I think the casting is the best thing about this show. Outside of the amazing writing and filming and pacing. etc. Noah Bean is great but he's no Cole. I literally laughed out loud at the idea of it.

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  76. Boris B28 March 2015 at 22:18

    I think it represents death as in order for death to occur blood must be spilled and lots of it lol.


    Possibly by combing the past and future it creates the color red as neutral. Damn it where is Fringe writers when you need them lol


    Btw who the hell is the father of that women when Tall man said your father was right. Is it possible her father is someone we haven't met before?

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  77. Boris B28 March 2015 at 22:22

    But how it is possible both Ramse existed in both timelines? ever time cole came back ramse was there while the other ramse was busy staying in the shadows. It's logically impossible to have a person from future end up in the past and then suddenly has another version in the future.

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  78. Boris B28 March 2015 at 22:22

    Hey Ivan wanna bet there will be a battle of Ramses lol

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  79. Boris B28 March 2015 at 22:28

    Why hasn't Wells aged on The Flash lol same reasons for any time traveler no matter how far they go back and stay they can't age till time itself catches on. take vampires for instance when they die the time for them stops but once cured the time that stopped for them resumes and begins to catch up really quick for them lol.

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  80. Susan McIntyre28 March 2015 at 22:33

    I also think the casting is one of the best things about the show!

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  81. Marie Laberge28 March 2015 at 22:43

    We don't know that Wells hasn't aged. It's not like we saw a flashback to what he looked like when he got there. And I somehow doubt ALL og the 12 monkeys people (Olivia, pale man, etc...) are eternally preserved time travellers, even if Ramse is.

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  82. Boris B28 March 2015 at 22:49

    I remember Ramse said that without the injections the time jump wouldnt happen. I believe those injections what's keeping them from aging.

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  83. Marie Laberge28 March 2015 at 23:58

    It's kind of ironic how it may stop Cole from aging, but it's even more efficiently Killing him

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  84. ivan29 March 2015 at 03:21

    nice Fringe writers would make it easy LOL and maybe

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  85. ivan29 March 2015 at 03:24

    THANK YOU! that confused me too, we finally found out why Cassie and Cole haven't been able to change things: because Ramse wouldn't let them but there were still TWO Ramses, they need to explain that. Although remember when the West 7 invaded the Splinter Compound , there were two Coles

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  86. ivan29 March 2015 at 03:25

    Fauxlivia and Olivia style?

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  87. ivan29 March 2015 at 03:27

    yeah i saw it, she has a GUN on Jones! Everything i was thinking about Cassie not caring was erased in that sneak peek LOL

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  88. ivan29 March 2015 at 03:28

    definitely, can you BELIEVE him?! he LEFT his son FOREVER he will NEVER see him and says that to Cole, his BROTHER

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  89. ivan29 March 2015 at 03:32

    yeah irony at its worst, good point

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  90. ivan29 March 2015 at 03:32

    me too

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  91. Boris B29 March 2015 at 03:48

    Probably lol

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  92. Boris B29 March 2015 at 03:49

    That's bc he splintered a day earlier but ramse went much further lol. why they hell he went back when he just lost everything lol

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  93. ivan29 March 2015 at 04:03

    right?! LOL moron evil moron now but still moron HA! he could've just been raising his son but NOOO! he just HAD to go back in time and try to destroy the world and fight his best friend

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  94. ivan29 March 2015 at 04:04

    i'd pay money to see that! LOL and it'd be more awesome since Kirk Acevedo was on Fringe

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  95. ivan29 March 2015 at 04:06

    yeah it's been theorized that Aaron's new job is what will become Spearhed

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  96. BlueStar29 March 2015 at 04:31

    Time travel. Argh. I can't even really begin to make sense of that one because Cole and Jones are the reason Ramse jumped into the time machine in the first place.


    Therefore, if there is such a thing as a "first timeline" (or the first release of the virus that led to the need for time travel) it would likely have to be one without Ramse jumping into the machine. The virus would have been released with or without Ramse's presence (and Cole's presence or else there would have never been a reason for him to time travel either). Ramse is just the Witness, he's been telling them where Cole's going to be, what to do next, etc. so he didn't have an effect on the virus release, just how and maybe when it was.


    If you're talking about the 12 Monkeys knowing he was coming, I have no idea how. Maybe one of them jumped into the future, or are from the future, I just don't know. If you're saying in order for them to know Ramse would have had to tell them, I just don't know how that would work.

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  97. BlueStar29 March 2015 at 04:36

    Yeah, I'm not even going to begin to guess who Olivia's (aka the striking woman) father is.


    I know red's (and black) associated with death, I just was wondering how paradoxes, etc. affected living plants, causing them to change color. (And only plants)

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  98. Boris B29 March 2015 at 04:49

    *smacks everyone face* where is walter bishop lol

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  99. Boris B29 March 2015 at 04:50

    What if its a game of capture the flag? green represents cole and his team while red represents 12 monkeys lol

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  100. BlueStar29 March 2015 at 04:50

    Yeah Ramse thinks he's saving his son, but he left him in a terrible future world where he most likely will die young if not from a virus mutation, from scavengers or a number of diseases the can't get vaccinations for anymore due to the lack of governments, hospitals, etc.


    As Cole said once, in the future they basically live like wild animals, and wild animals aren't known to live long lives.

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  101. BlueStar29 March 2015 at 04:59

    I can't picture Noah Bean acting as someone who's been living in a post-apocalyptic world -partly because of the past roles I've seen him in (on Nikita and OUAT). Plus Aaron Stanford's got a more rugged look to him - even his voice.

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  102. ivan29 March 2015 at 05:07

    no they are not

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  103. ivan29 March 2015 at 05:10

    right? i was so surprised when i found out Aaron Stanford was picked as the lead but he's been doing an outstanding job and hey Noah Bean was more than just a government guy!

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  104. BlueStar29 March 2015 at 05:13

    It's the act of time jumping that's doing the real damage to Cole. He's done it so often while Ramse only did it once.

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  105. BlueStar29 March 2015 at 05:14

    Of course! But he was always in a suit on Nikita I got comfortable with that.

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  106. BlueStar29 March 2015 at 05:19

    No need for that. Jeez. lol It's not my fault they make time travel so complicated. And I'm no physicist. I barely survived that class. :P

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  107. Boris B29 March 2015 at 05:21

    I watched all 2005 Doctor Who episodes and understood their time travel along with The Flash but this is just a hot mess lol

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  108. BlueStar29 March 2015 at 05:21

    NCIS Gibbs smack for a smack. Now you're just being completely silly.

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  109. BlueStar29 March 2015 at 05:24

    The Flash has barely scratched the surface of its time travel rules.


    Yes, 12 Monkeys is the most complex time travel I've seen.

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  110. ivan29 March 2015 at 05:55

    true that! and when he WAS in regular clothes it was so WEIRD LOL

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  111. ivan29 March 2015 at 06:34

    and time travel threatening to KILL someone? that's definitely a first

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  112. CaliforniaGirl30 March 2015 at 02:00

    Great episode. I wish they'd shown more of the 80's, just because I think the 80's is a fun time period to portray on screen.

    This is a series a person could definitely watch a few times to piece things together.

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  113. Marie Laberge1 April 2015 at 12:27

    he also only got injected once. I sort of feel like he would need a regular fix of the stuff to stay young, but that's just my opinion. we have no idea what those injections actually do to the body aside from seemingly preparing it for the damage of time jumping

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  114. Marie Laberge1 April 2015 at 12:31

    wait, that was a theory? That Ramse wold somehow age into some flower-obsessed homocidal old man? oh god, the horror!

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  115. BlueStar1 April 2015 at 16:41

    My thoughts exactly.

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  116. Marie Laberge2 April 2015 at 23:08

    I have some half-thought out theory that I don't think makes much sense because I don't have enough information yet but I'll guve it a try anyway:
    You know how when you put a mentos in a can of coca-cola, the Whole thing just sort of blows up? The trick wouldn't work if it was any other mint dropped into the drink or if it was any other soda instead of coke. It may be simplistic, but I think the same basic principle applies to paradoxes and plants. Nothing shifted color when Cole put the two watches together because it was the wrong ingredients for that kind of reaction. Not sure what it is about PLANTS that bring just the right thing to the mix though. I also have some vague thought about there being a link between Cole's offhand "Mother nature doesn't like it when you move her furniture around", the cycle of life in trees (who shift color before dying for the winter and then start back in the spring) and Darwin's theory of evolution with the stringets species adadpting to changing circumstances.
    Not sure if you follow, but that's my thought process on the subject

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  117. Boris B3 April 2015 at 02:46

    *Whats over there?* *double Gibbs smack head* lol. red forest clearly is an obsession for the 12 monkeys and they probably wanna turn the whole world into it lol

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  118. Boris B3 April 2015 at 02:48

    Maybe the writers were blinded by terminator Arnold streaking in the wild lol.

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  119. BlueStar3 April 2015 at 03:15

    I think I understand. :)

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