Great, they are getting a hand on the "spoiling too much", there is nothing new in the vid. Glad we are getting to the bottom of Olivers self-doubting. I actually like it but until now it was way to broody and took too long for my taste (never thaught I would complain about missing Olivers monolouges)
There are other things that would make him less misrable. Like not being a stubborn a**. Not protecting Malcolm. Declining Ra's Al Ghul's offer. GOING BACK TO BEING A HERO! Getting QC back. And did you really have to phrase it like that??
Ladies I found out what bothers me about S3. They have all these nice chapters and wanted to built up to the next few episodes, which really look very promising. Only thing they don't know what to do with a season arc, when the season has so many eipsodes. Showing Olivers doubts in in The Offer makes total sense to me and the way SA is acting makes it more understandable for me - finally Oliver voices his doubts. But the get there, since his return they had to make him totally broody, selfpitying which took way too long. They filled the stretch with interesting story but just let Oliver be broody too long.
Oliver's reason for aligning with Malcolm the terrorist was for him to learn and be better so that he can kill Ra's. Because he is not ready or skilled for the job. Then Thea gives Malcolm to LoA and he goes to Nanda Parbat on a suicide mission to save the terrorist knowing he will fail and dragging Diggle along with it. That is what is bothering me. He is not just worried about his role as a protector of Starling City, he is suicidal. A hero can make mistakes but at the end of the day he is supposed to make the right choices. The name league of assassins means it is a league made up of assassins. Why would a hero want to align with a group which has so much blood on their hands. It's very annoying that Oliver is entertaining this idea.
True. This is taking forever. I was feeling really bad for Oliver at first but now it's just annoying. I agree that he should have doubts and clearly I'm a fan of Stephen's acting but the problem is that I'm fed up with all the brooding and the angst AND there's nothing interesting happening to balance this out or make me overlook how boring this is all becoming. And even when the episodes have a "twist" it's so predictable and so underwhelming. Not to mention that most of the storylines this season are just making me angry.
Although he really shouldn't have any doubts. He's a hero and the whole self doubt thing is very annoying. So Ra's beat him, so what? Malcolm beat him into a pulp before. In 2x08 he almost died. That's been his life for the past 8 years!
yeah it's like they forgot that Oliver has already passed selfdoubts with Slade..... It's like hey we have 5 season of development to film, we forgot to squeez out the selfdoubts and making his relationship to Felicity suffer as much as Laurels had.
And that's the only way human beings can be happy? I want him and Felicity to be a couple not for that. But to be official partners, to have a future together, to have a family and love and comfort each other and make each other happy. Relationships and happiness aren't about getting some! I like how Oliver's "love life" is being written this season. It's nice to see after he had a thing with every woman he wasn't related to, including his father's mistress!!! That was wrong and gross on so many levels.
Every episode I think the same thing. He needs someone to give him a hug and tells him that everything is going to be ok. The fact that the memory of his mother he saw before he "died" was her hugging him speaks volumes. Then the same person should smack him over the head.
Just to be clear I was kidding as well. Even though I love your thoughts Ollie is far away from being ready for a relationship. To calm you down I'm way to much into Olicity these days. I even heard a song recentnly and thought it would be perfect for their first double I love. Run run Kelly Clarkson ft John Legend. That song reminds me so much about them.
I know that he's not ready. I said it before I enjoy the slow burn and Oliver needs to grow up and get his act together. The problem is that with every episode we seem to be going backwards not moving forward. And not just on the romantic front.
The John Legend song that really reminds me of them is "All of Me". It is so them.
A personal request: Don't call him the O word in front of me.
You don't like when I call him Ollie? Why? I agree they are trying to pull of a downroad for Oliver but just as with Laurel it really doesn't work for him or the show. "All of me" is so overused, I can't hear the song for till the end of the year.
It's not hard to watch him wallow. The guy has been through some really hard stuff. A little wallowing is reasonable. What's really difficult is watching your protagonist wallow in that misery for almost 3 full seasons. Plus, there's now an entire group of people that take terms yelling at him and second guessing him every week. I honestly don't know how Oliver finds the ambition to get out of bed sometimes.
I like calling him O, cause it sounds softer. Cause even though he went truth a lot of messy, awful stuff he saved he has that softer side, that Toby, S01 Laurel and Moira saw as well. I don't even think about him as the pre Island Oliver.
I didn't mind at all when they used the name on Smallville, I actually liked it a little. My problem with it is strictly Arrowverse related. I don't want THIS Oliver to be called that.
"I honestly don't know how Oliver finds the ambition to get out of bed sometimes."
Seriously. Someone asked Marc Guggenheim on Tumblr if we were ever going to see Oliver being happy, and he said that all his happy times seem to happen between May and October. These people need to realize that this guy needs to get a win every once in a while. When he's up to his shoulders in quicksand, give him a yank up to his waist at least. Or something, jeez.
I really hope not. Why do you think the last 4 episodes take place at NP? Why would they do there for 4 episodes? I can't find the huge conflict. In season 1 we knew he was going to fight Malcolm. Season 2 Slade. Now what? They're supposed to take down the league?
I meant it'll probably be about taking down the league. And then Oliver starts calling himself Green Arroa. Dun dun dun. Oh and Sara will probably be revived or some shit like that. More dun dun dun.
Exactly. I don't know why Guggenheim and Co. feel the need to keep Oliver in a perpetual state of inner conflict. There are plenty of external forces creating conflict on a regular basis.
Yeah but when you get mortally wounded, kicked off a cliff after fighting a duel to protect your sister (and thereby fail). Combined with the fact that your friends and allies prove they don't need you to protect the city (which is your whole identity), combined with working with your sister's monstrous father who also killed your ex and brainwashed your sister into killing. All of that combined with the women you love rejecting you tends to really chip away at who you are. Especially since everything you did like working with Malcolm and doing everything you can is now mute when she is safe now, relatively. Since 3x09 that was Oliver's driving force, now he has none. So when Ra's al Ghul offers you the chance to have purpose it's a little interesting (no way he'll end up taking it though).
They really don't understand what audience wants do they? We want to see him get over his troubles one at a time and be a better happy man in the future. For once let the conflict be from outside in the form of a difficult villain. This is tiring.
"The most surprising"? Well since everybody called the offer story back when they first said Ra's was coming to Arrow season 3, I'm going with the only interaction that is going to surprise anyone is if they get in hot tubbed up in the Lazarus Pit and start making out.
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Great, they are getting a hand on the "spoiling too much", there is nothing new in the vid.
ReplyDeleteGlad we are getting to the bottom of Olivers self-doubting. I actually like it but until now it was way to broody and took too long for my taste (never thaught I would complain about missing Olivers monolouges)
Here we go again, most surprising, most shocking, best episode evaaah. *rolls eyes*
ReplyDeleteOLIVER SNAP OUT OF IT :\
Oh honey! I don't know what to say to you. Think about our beloved Starling City and get out of this funk you are in. I think you need to get laid.
ReplyDeleteWhat?!!! the boy is literally oozing misery. He needs some lovin.
ReplyDeleteWell...between Ra"s messing with his head and Felicity turning down his love what do you expect?He should soon be out of this funk..lol
ReplyDeleteHe better. Its hard to see your protagonist wallow in misery.
ReplyDeleteThere are other things that would make him less misrable. Like not being a stubborn a**. Not protecting Malcolm. Declining Ra's Al Ghul's offer. GOING BACK TO BEING A HERO! Getting QC back. And did you really have to phrase it like that??
ReplyDeleteLMAO. I was annoyed.
ReplyDeleteI get that. It's really frustrating to be a fan of Oliver Queen these days lol
ReplyDeleteLadies I found out what bothers me about S3. They have all these nice chapters and wanted to built up to the next few episodes, which really look very promising. Only thing they don't know what to do with a season arc, when the season has so many eipsodes.
ReplyDeleteShowing Olivers doubts in in The Offer makes total sense to
me and the way SA is acting makes it more understandable for me - finally Oliver voices his doubts. But the get there, since his return they had to make him totally broody, selfpitying which took way too long. They filled the stretch with interesting story but just let Oliver be broody too long.
Koky sweety that all needs work, he should just blow of some steam to start think right. ;-) :-P
ReplyDeleteOliver's reason for aligning with Malcolm the terrorist was for him to learn and be better so that he can kill Ra's. Because he is not ready or skilled for the job. Then Thea gives Malcolm to LoA and he goes to Nanda Parbat on a suicide mission to save the terrorist knowing he will fail and dragging Diggle along with it. That is what is bothering me. He is not just worried about his role as a protector of Starling City, he is suicidal. A hero can make mistakes but at the end of the day he is supposed to make the right choices. The name league of assassins means it is a league made up of assassins. Why would a hero want to align with a group which has so much blood on their hands. It's very annoying that Oliver is entertaining this idea.
ReplyDeleteExactly. He will be able to think straight after that. :P
ReplyDeleteTrue. This is taking forever. I was feeling really bad for Oliver at first but now it's just annoying. I agree that he should have doubts and clearly I'm a fan of Stephen's acting but the problem is that I'm fed up with all the brooding and the angst AND there's nothing interesting happening to balance this out or make me overlook how boring this is all becoming. And even when the episodes have a "twist" it's so predictable and so underwhelming. Not to mention that most of the storylines this season are just making me angry.
ReplyDeleteThis is the first season were present time Ollie didn't get something on the side.
ReplyDeleteBad writing! Really Bad!
Although he really shouldn't have any doubts. He's a hero and the whole self doubt thing is very annoying. So Ra's beat him, so what? Malcolm beat him into a pulp before. In 2x08 he almost died. That's been his life for the past 8 years!
ReplyDeleteWOW. You two are just WOW.
ReplyDeleteIf Oliver is okay with it I am ready to offer my services for the sake of everyone's good you know. For science and prosperity.
ReplyDeleteSo the pay off is not worth of all the angst in your point of view?
ReplyDeleteBefore everyone was complaining about Oliver getting too much, now he's not getting enough. There's just no pleasing some folks...
ReplyDeleteWe wouldn't be bitchin if he was getting anything at all! He is on a dry dry run! Even in the fbs.
ReplyDeleteI understand you completely. If I ever see Oliver I will tell him about you ;-)
ReplyDeleteDon't be like that Koky. Ollie is only human!
ReplyDeleteGoing by Ollie's track reckord in the flashbacks, i kinda understand him.
ReplyDeleteShado....dead. Sara....dead (as far as he knows at this time)
yeah it's like they forgot that Oliver has already passed selfdoubts with Slade..... It's like hey we have 5 season of development to film, we forgot to squeez out the selfdoubts and making his relationship to Felicity suffer as much as Laurels had.
ReplyDeleteoh and to Malcom, making this such a painful story is because they dragged out the arc storyline way too much.
ReplyDeleteHonestly he probably just forgot how to do it indoors. ^_^
ReplyDeleteSomeone give this guy a hug, and then a swift kick in the ass.
ReplyDeleteAnd that's the only way human beings can be happy? I want him and Felicity to be a couple not for that. But to be official partners, to have a future together, to have a family and love and comfort each other and make each other happy. Relationships and happiness aren't about getting some! I like how Oliver's "love life" is being written this season. It's nice to see after he had a thing with every woman he wasn't related to, including his father's mistress!!! That was wrong and gross on so many levels.
ReplyDeleteAre we sure they arent Marc Guggenheim?
ReplyDeleteEvery episode I think the same thing. He needs someone to give him a hug and tells him that everything is going to be ok. The fact that the memory of his mother he saw before he "died" was her hugging him speaks volumes. Then the same person should smack him over the head.
ReplyDeleteOnly the students can defeat the master, remember :)
ReplyDeleteRight????? I'm getting a weird deja vu reading their comments.
ReplyDeleteIf the pay off is him accepting the offer then NO!
ReplyDeleteWe dont need more trolls lol.
ReplyDeleteYou know I was joking right? ;)
ReplyDeletehttp://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbg6zdDXqy1r79k9c.gif
ReplyDeleteEveryone on the show except Diggle is miserable. It's not just Oliver. Season 3 is where Arrow threw the idea of balance off the top of a skyscraper.
ReplyDeleteYup :D
ReplyDeleteI'm annoyed by this episode already.
ReplyDeleteMarc, buddy. You've got to cool it with all this hyperbole.
ReplyDeleteJust to be clear I was kidding as well.
ReplyDeleteEven though I love your thoughts Ollie is far away from being ready for a relationship.
To calm you down I'm way to much into Olicity these days.
I even heard a song recentnly and thought it would be perfect for their first double I love. Run run Kelly Clarkson ft John Legend. That song reminds me so much about them.
I know that he's not ready. I said it before I enjoy the slow burn and Oliver needs to grow up and get his act together. The problem is that with every episode we seem to be going backwards not moving forward. And not just on the romantic front.
ReplyDeleteThe John Legend song that really reminds me of them is "All of Me". It is so them.
A personal request: Don't call him the O word in front of me.
You don't like when I call him Ollie? Why?
ReplyDeleteI agree they are trying to pull of a downroad for Oliver but just as with Laurel it really doesn't work for him or the show.
"All of me" is so overused, I can't hear the song for till the end of the year.
It's not hard to watch him wallow. The guy has been through some really hard stuff. A little wallowing is reasonable. What's really difficult is watching your protagonist wallow in that misery for almost 3 full seasons. Plus, there's now an entire group of people that take terms yelling at him and second guessing him every week. I honestly don't know how Oliver finds the ambition to get out of bed sometimes.
ReplyDeleteI don't like when anyone calls him that. It represents Pre Island Oliver and that guy was a D-bag. That's not who he is anymore.
ReplyDeleteIt's not working at all and they are dragging it.
Luckily I only heard it on an Olicity vid so it's not overused for me.
I like calling him O, cause it sounds softer. Cause even though he went truth a lot of messy, awful stuff he saved he has that softer side, that Toby, S01 Laurel and Moira saw as well.
ReplyDeleteI don't even think about him as the pre Island Oliver.
The only living person allowed to call him the O word is Thea. Because he wasn't awful to her when he was O :D
ReplyDeleteHahaha. I want call him O when I reply to U. ;-)
ReplyDeleteThanQ lol
ReplyDeleteHey it sparked realization in Ray. So if Oliver were to have sex with Felicity perhaps it would jolt him from his crisis.
ReplyDeleteIn the comics pretty much every one of his family/loved ones call him Ollie.
ReplyDeleteI think it even humanizes him to a certain degree. Oliver is a strong name while U wouldn't call someone Ollie if you really wouldn't know him well.
ReplyDeleteThe only one who doesn't call him Ollie is Batman, the old grouch.
ReplyDeleteIt's not gonna be.
ReplyDeleteI didn't mind at all when they used the name on Smallville, I actually liked it a little. My problem with it is strictly Arrowverse related. I don't want THIS Oliver to be called that.
ReplyDeleteDo you want Oliver to go build a Tin Man suit too? :)
ReplyDeleteYou know "The O word" is kinda a euphimism for something else right :)
ReplyDelete"I honestly don't know how Oliver finds the ambition to get out of bed sometimes."
ReplyDeleteSeriously. Someone asked Marc Guggenheim on Tumblr if we were ever going to see Oliver being happy, and he said that all his happy times seem to happen between May and October. These people need to realize that this guy needs to get a win every once in a while. When he's up to his shoulders in quicksand, give him a yank up to his waist at least. Or something, jeez.
I really hope not. Why do you think the last 4 episodes take place at NP? Why would they do there for 4 episodes? I can't find the huge conflict. In season 1 we knew he was going to fight Malcolm. Season 2 Slade. Now what? They're supposed to take down the league?
ReplyDeleteProbably yeah. It's probably gonna be a push them back kinda win though.
ReplyDeleteI have no idea what you are talking about and I don't think I'd want to know.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you mean?
ReplyDeleteI shall spare your pure uncorrupted mind then.
ReplyDeleteI'm gonna pretend that the comment wasn't sarcastic and say thanks.
ReplyDeleteI meant it'll probably be about taking down the league. And then Oliver starts calling himself Green Arroa. Dun dun dun. Oh and Sara will probably be revived or some shit like that. More dun dun dun.
ReplyDelete"More dun dun dun" lol
ReplyDeleteExactly. I don't know why Guggenheim and Co. feel the need to keep Oliver in a perpetual state of inner conflict. There are plenty of external forces creating conflict on a regular basis.
ReplyDeleteYeah but when you get mortally wounded, kicked off a cliff after fighting a duel to protect your sister (and thereby fail). Combined with the fact that your friends and allies prove they don't need you to protect the city (which is your whole identity), combined with working with your sister's monstrous father who also killed your ex and brainwashed your sister into killing. All of that combined with the women you love rejecting you tends to really chip away at who you are. Especially since everything you did like working with Malcolm and doing everything you can is now mute when she is safe now, relatively. Since 3x09 that was Oliver's driving force, now he has none. So when Ra's al Ghul offers you the chance to have purpose it's a little interesting (no way he'll end up taking it though).
ReplyDeleteAll good points and the writers made this identity season
ReplyDeleteSee you get me. We only want what is best for the characters.
ReplyDeleteThey really don't understand what audience wants do they? We want to see him get over his troubles one at a time and be a better happy man in the future. For once let the conflict be from outside in the form of a difficult villain. This is tiring.
ReplyDelete"The most surprising"? Well since everybody called the offer story back when they first said Ra's was coming to Arrow season 3, I'm going with the only interaction that is going to surprise anyone is if they get in hot tubbed up in the Lazarus Pit and start making out.
ReplyDeleteHappy Birthday!!! *Party time* Am I late in wishing you? Is it Tuesday where you live?
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