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Titans - DC Characters Revealed for TNT's new show [VIDEO]

2 Feb 2015

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88 comments:

  1. maclives2 February 2015 at 21:49

    "Also expect a love triangle" uuugh


    also, never seen a more annoying host

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  2. Spindae22 February 2015 at 21:52

    WOW MAJOR!!!!
    Glad Starfire, Raven and Robin will appear!

    Surprised that Dawn will appear but can give some nice dynamic to the show! They need another male to step in!

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  3. maclives2 February 2015 at 22:01

    This is all kinds of confusing...


    It's not ordered to series yet, not even sure if a pilot was ordered yet. The script is set though and it might get a pilot order

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  4. IvyB2 February 2015 at 22:04

    I also really disliked her line about Joker running around shooting teens in the spinal column- "we can only hope"- WTF??? I know Babs was not in the Titans, but I like her, so I don't mind her appearing here, especially if she's wheelchair bound, which is not something you have often on action/comic book shows and is pretty important. Not here for love triangle, but it's just this host's speculation right now.

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  5. Spindae22 February 2015 at 22:05

    I was hoping Vixen would be Iris mother or something. So the show coming is a bit disappointing but still will check it out.

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  6. Joy Haldar2 February 2015 at 22:06

    Why on earth is the host talking like this?LOL!

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  7. maclives2 February 2015 at 22:10

    I'm intrigued by Arrow/Flash getting an animated spin-off (sadly whenever I submit news, they're ignored...I'm not too popular here it seems :P) but I do hope that they keep the style

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  8. DanSTV2 February 2015 at 22:26

    I didn't know there was DC series :O what is this? A pilot or ordered to series... Not a question just wondering :D I am excited for more super :)

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  9. maclives2 February 2015 at 22:27

    helium, lots and lots of helium. Plus crack, I hear that's the rage among all the less well trained talk show hosts these days

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  10. Spindae22 February 2015 at 22:27

    It doesn't really bother me, but I assume there will be a bunch of males going through Boston. ;-) I like female heroines, male heroes are to big of a stereotype these days.

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  11. JustinC832 February 2015 at 22:27

    Ya zero chance this is part of the Arrow/Flash universe

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  12. Midnight2 February 2015 at 22:27

    I actually like that most of the cast is female, it's a nice change for a superhero show.

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  13. maclives2 February 2015 at 22:27

    Yeah, that was a weird one. Still, that video made Titans appear a bit more...erm...Arrow-y (and I don't mean this in a positive way) with the triangle crap.


    I was hoping that TNT not being theCW was giving us a solid chance at a superhero show where romantic interaction is not put on a pedestreal buuuuuuuut I was wrong it seems

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  14. maclives2 February 2015 at 22:27

    btw. Vixen is being released on theCW Seed soon (female superhero in the Flash/Arrow verse)


    but true, we need more female heroes! (if you haven't: watch Birds of Prey)

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  15. Spindae22 February 2015 at 22:27

    Vixen should be a lot of fun, but still hoping she'll step by in the real life shows as well.

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  16. Aleana Harris2 February 2015 at 22:40

    Abby Ross as Dove
    Mackenzie Rosman as Starfire
    Camille Winbush as Raven
    Ken Baumann as Robin
    Greg Finley as Hawk

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  17. Graydon2 February 2015 at 22:50

    Come on Mac they're teens you had to expect this.

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  18. Jon2 February 2015 at 22:50

    That's an.....interesting line-up. Robin, Starfire and Raven are classic Titans. Barbara Gordon was a HUGE surprise, as she has next to no connection to the Teen Titans other than a romantic history with Dick Grayson. Would have thought that character was embargoed with Gotham as she IS heavily tied to Batman lore. But hey if they can use Robin/Nightwing.

    DC is just spreadin' the love over as many networks as they can aren't they. A Dick/Barbara romance seems given (good luck finding a shipper name for that one.). I also noticed the unusually large number of female characters. Very progressive. Don't have much experience with Hawk and Dove other than final Birds of Prey run from 2010-2011

    As it's not produced by Berlanti there's no way this will be part of the Arrow/Flash universe so I doubt we'll see Arsenal drop by. But cosidering Iris is an only child over on the CW they COULD techincally do Wally West I guess. Only isn't it confusing enough already with both Grant Gustin and Ezra Miller as Flashes...

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  19. maclives2 February 2015 at 22:54

    Wait until they introduce a non-comicbook based geeky blonde chick that is so relatable, lovable and glasses wearing that the fandom will start violently shipping her with Robin, later on she will be forcefully made comic book canon.

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  20. Folie-lex2 February 2015 at 23:18

    I noticed too. Definitely a welcome change!

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  21. Folie-lex2 February 2015 at 23:19

    I've actually heard it's not out of the realm from the Arrow/Flash PTB and the CW heads, so I don't think it's impossible.

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  22. IvyB2 February 2015 at 23:19

    I really hope it's just the host's speculation, didn't she say Starfire basically appears towards the end of the script and she's basing the whole 'love triangle' on the comics/cartoons? God I hate love triangles, I really hope they'll either avoid it here or write it better than the CW does, because I don't want this to be a new Arrow (also not in a positive way).

    Maybe when the show starts Babs and Dick aren't together? The two broke up a million times in the comics, maybe they won't have them together now and will focus on Babs' recovering physically and mentally to her disability, while still being a hero (yeah, I can be naive sometimes). Or maybe Kory and Dick aren't getting together in this version, either way, just no love triangle and make sure Dick doesn't come off as the asshat Oliver does on Arrow.

    And good on them for having so many women in the cast, it's definitely a pleasant surprise from most comic book/superhero shows.

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  23. Folie-lex2 February 2015 at 23:26

    Yeah... and now I'm looking even more forward to this...
    (everything besides the triangle bit at least... and also she's super annoying!)

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  24. maclives2 February 2015 at 23:26

    True, still...the cartoons didn't overly expose the romantic drama between Starfire and Robin, so I'm hopeful.

    I just don't want another superhero series to pull an "Arrow Season 3" move

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  25. prpleight2 February 2015 at 23:27

    not happy about the love triangle either but at least, in this instance, it has a basis in the source material (i.e. the comic books)

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  26. Graydon2 February 2015 at 23:40

    Still better than Laurel and Oliver. Oh and Barbara fits the bill for that.

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  27. Graydon2 February 2015 at 23:40

    I have to point out yet again Mac Oliver and Felicity and whatever with Ray is far, far less featured (and more relevant given two members are vigilantes and one is an aspiring vigilante/ boss of the other) than the stuff in season one or compared to episode plots (that and thankfully most of those characters all interact on issues concerning vigilantism or work). So saying Arrow has suddenly pulled a TVD and only focuses or focuses mostly on romance is dipping into hyperbole.

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  28. maclives2 February 2015 at 23:45

    I disagree, Felicity and Oliver have taken over and I don't want to fight now. I really don't care what pro-shippers try to force on me so....not going there

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  29. Graydon2 February 2015 at 23:59

    I'm not a pro-shipper (I like them, but I don't want shipping to control TV shows or be everywhere). They haven't their screen time is tops like 15 minutes together in eleven episodes and they're not influencing any major plot points.

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  30. maclives3 February 2015 at 00:00

    they are

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  31. maclives3 February 2015 at 00:06

    Dude, forgive my intollerance but I've recently grown tired of my criticism always being dismissed by people obviously being ship biased but me pointing out the same am torn to shreds.


    See, I'm f****ing sick of the shipper hypocrisy and bias here. I hate to think twice about what I write so I don't upset any shippers and spark a long ass convo again.



    Soooo...one could say I'm butthurt


    yeah back to the topic:


    Laurel/Tommy/Oliver was terrible however they were not given as much time as you make them out to have had. In fact they drove in McKenna and other characters like Helena to not forcefully add that love crap.

    However with Oliver and Felicity it IS there, constantly forced down our throats. Long as f***k glances, talks about their feelings and for F***KS SAKE every episode has at least two scenes with Felicity in some way admitting her love for Oliver to someone else.

    HOW IS THIS SHOW NOT controlled by shipping already?

    And Felicity? A fu***ing character? Dude, get back on track here because Felicity is not a character anymore. She might have been at some point but now is NOTHING but a empty shell that is attatched to Oliver.

    She's not a character with her own wishes or desires, she is a character that is focused on men. Men, men, men and men. Be it Oliver or Ray.

    We have NOTHING on her life outside of these two guys. We BARELY get an insight on her character and we NEVER get to even closely connect with her on a non romantic level.


    I used to LOVE Felicity, she was quirky and fun and even had some journey in season 1-2 when accepting her role. But NOW? She's a freaking device to make horny girls squeek in joy.


    Arrow has turned from a show that had solid potential to be a fun action show to something that is focused on deliverin as many ship worthy moments.




    I don't care anymore about koky, shannon or you jumping me whenever I say something about that:


    Olicity has RUINED Arrow, not because it took control but because Arrow has turned from a show based on storylines with some romantic scenes put in between into something that is focused to carry you over from ship-scene to ship scene.


    If you like them...FINE. But don't tell me that a show that gives more developement to a ship than its characters is NOT made to appease a fanbase that rather threatens people than leaving their effing houses.


    -,-


    geez, this show has its moments but it's NOTHING but a cheap shipper device anymore.

    There's a reason this show won't stand the test of time, because season 1-2 are so fundamentally different from this sh*t we're getting

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  32. Graydon3 February 2015 at 00:07

    Not the league stuff, not the Palmer stuff, not Sara's death, not anything with Laurel, Maseo, Thea, etc.The only thing you could even make the case is Felicity's reaction over Oliver's death but now that's sort of null since she's motivated by a desire to protect those she cares about who live (even then she'd still be affected in the same way if they weren't love interests) and I guess Draw Back Your Bow. But I have to point out, every character, every relationship (of any sort not just romantic) on every show effects the plot in some way.

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  33. maclives3 February 2015 at 00:07

    still less snoozy than the freaking season premiere of Arrow.
    I counted: 14 minutes of Olicity. HOW THE F***K is that not ship appeasing -,-

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  34. maclives3 February 2015 at 00:11

    The f***k man? Are we watching the same show?

    The one that gives us 2 minutes of dream kiss sequences, flashes back to lovey-dovey sequences whenever Oliver has a important moment, the show that gives us over 10 minutes of ship-sh*t, the show that has devotet an impressive ammount of time to spray romantic scenes over the map?


    Holy hell, The League is barely shown. Oliver meeting the League? 2:34 minutes. Oliver/Ra's fight - 4+minutes (minus the kiss dream sequence he had when dying because...ey f***k it)


    Every relationship?

    You mean the absolutely half-a**ed speeches they give Diggle? Or you mean wheneve Diggle goes to Felicity to ADVOCATE that ship? (yeah, he DID)


    You can excuse this show all you want but don't tell me that it's not a ship heavy show. Because I know your bias

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  35. Nick3 February 2015 at 00:22

    Mmmmm... What's Babs doing there, i don't know. Seems really weird FOX let them have her when, in the other hand, Arrow/Flash can't use none of Batman's lore because of Gotham.

    I mean, Arrow had to drop Harley Quinn and the "Oracle" title for Felicity in 3x05 because of that... I asked Marc about it on Tumblr(if there was a chance of seeing Hugo Strange as a Big Bad for Arrow, since he's my favourite) and he said that it's unlikely since Gotham is on the air.

    It's really weird. I don't trust this source, tbh.

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  36. Ore3 February 2015 at 00:26

    lol remember the kitten episode in the Teen Titans cartoon ? When Robin was forced to take killer moth's daughter to prom?

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  37. Graydon3 February 2015 at 00:27

    I'll admit to liking them (not a shipper though trust me ship heavy stuff whether it be written by writers or fans is often obnoxious.) I didn't dislike Laurel and Oliver because of a Felicity or her and Oliver Mac. I hated then from the pilot, because they have no chemistry, awful writing, make the characters OOC basically in the 22nd episode of Arrow, and force a f*cking awful love triangle that made little sense to me. Hell in everything I've read or seen outside Arrow I actually like their interactions and banter. (That double date DCAU episode is hilarious.) nor have Oliver or Felicity. Oliver is still the heroic, brave selfless vigilante who protect those closest from him even at a personal cost and gets around a lot. And Felicity though like Oliver has developed as a character is still Felicity. If they were pandering Oliver wouldn't have ended it with Felicity, nor gone off to fight Ra's al Ghul (the intro to 3x11 is an Olicity shipper's dream.) And Felicity would've thrown herself at him and not let him leave.

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  38. CGS3 February 2015 at 00:27

    Oh god I could not even finish watching the video. That girl is trying TOO hard.

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  39. maclives3 February 2015 at 00:27

    and I can't wait for the shippers to back you up again. Fuck**g mob mentality on here...

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  40. Ore3 February 2015 at 00:27

    yeah I'm not 100% sure I trust this source

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  41. maclives3 February 2015 at 00:27

    Duuuude, just admit being a shipper already :P


    True but Harley Quinn didn't change her personality IN the series to accomodate shippers M)

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  42. Nick3 February 2015 at 00:30

    Do we already know wich Flash Ezra Miller is playing?

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  43. Jon3 February 2015 at 00:36

    Only reference I can find is a summary written by someone on IMDB, and that's not a trusted source. I think so far he's only cast as "The Flash" and they haven't decided on which Flash yet.

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  44. Folie-lex3 February 2015 at 00:39

    Isn't Barbara a loooooong way from even being born on Gotham though?
    I can see DC giving the character and all her monickers some leeway, in how they're being used in other DC franchises...

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  45. Nick3 February 2015 at 01:15

    Remember when Cupid joined The Suicide Squad? Digg said "Waller says she is even crazt than the lasy woman the had on the SS", that was a referenc eto Harley. In 2x23 Harley Quinn apears when they go to take down Waller; Deadshot tells Digg to not let her out because she is "really crazy" and she speaks to him. Cupid took the place that was Harley Quinn's.


    Also, episode 3x05(Felicity's episode) was announced at Comic Con and they said the episode was gonna be titled "Oracle", wich later was changed to "The Secret Origin of Felicity Smoak", due to the rights...

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  46. Jon3 February 2015 at 01:16

    Yep, I knew all that. What I meant was I didn't know about FOX embargoing those two items on account of Gotham.

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  47. Nick3 February 2015 at 01:20

    If Marc Guggenheim is to be believed, he told me they couldn't used them anymore... so clearly there's an embargo, wich makes no sense if this news are true.

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  48. Folie-lex3 February 2015 at 01:24

    I think that's a bit of double standard. Dick's history is directly related to Batman. If you do Nightwing, and not mention Batman, I mean I guess you might be able to do it, but you're stretching... and you'll have to rewrite backstory... which kinda defeats the point...

    And Babs does have her own to ties to Dick.
    Plus if this report is accurate, and it begins with Dick freshly having seperated himself from Batman, having Barbara around seems nicely timed if you ask me. Her maybe still trying to mend fences between them...?


    I think Fox actually has no direct rights to any of the DC characters. Gotham I believe is a WB studios show, which simply airs on Fox. And DC works under Warner, so everything to me sounds like it's still pretty much in DC's hands. And they seems to be in control over who gets to use what and in what context (kinda how we'll be getting a flash in Movie form, while there already is a Flash in TV form. How they aren't allowing any Batmans to air on TV but Gotham can use a young!Bruce Wayne...)

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  49. Nick3 February 2015 at 01:26

    Rights don't work like that... I'm pretty sure FOX can't use the Batman name on the show. They can use Bruce because he isn't the star but a minor supporting character. Until now i still don't get why he's even on the show on an almost daily basis.

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  50. Nick3 February 2015 at 01:26

    She wasn't born at Gotham, but her adventures took place mostly there and on near areas as Gordon niece. She is a Batman character.

    One thing is, for example, using Jason Todd as Red Hood with no ties to Batman or a Nightwing show in Bludheaven with no mention of Batman. Another is using Babs as a supporting character on a show with Robin who is in his early years alone without the Bat.

    It makes no sense to me that Fox is OK with this... and they have the rights for Babs(Batgirl and Oracle) and the Robin persona... We're actually gonna meet Dick's parents soo on Gotham.

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  51. Jon3 February 2015 at 01:27

    Didn't know about Harley Quinn and "Oracle". But yes, that makes the news somewhat suspect doesn't it? Why would they embargo one Warner entinity but say "Oh, sure. Go right ahead" to another?

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  52. daisetsu 1003 February 2015 at 01:27

    no donna troy, no speedster (bart/wally/jesse doesnt matter which one) , no superboy or aqualad (garth or kaldur) ... and we get Hawk & dove as well as barbara who was never a titan?


    well at least they have Nightwing, Kory and Raven. Perhaps Terra , Rose WIlson and Jericho can join later ?

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  53. Folie-lex3 February 2015 at 01:27

    Still timeline wise she's supposedly younger than Bruce, so even if she does currently exist in Gotham she's either unborn or barely a toddler, therefore unusable in the world of that show. If another franchise wants to use her they might be allowed to by DC... with restrictions, as it seems to be the case per this report.



    (My mindset over this is in the same vain of how DC is super protective of Batman -especially with him being portrayed in the small screen- but handing Young!Bruce to Gotham, didn't seem to be that big a deal... you know what I mean?)

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  54. Jon3 February 2015 at 01:27

    Well, if you want to get technical then Barbara isn't Jim Gordon's biological daughter. He's her biological uncle that adopted her as his own when her parents were killed in a car crash.

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  55. Folie-lex3 February 2015 at 01:29

    I know how rights work. :)

    And you're right. They can't say Batman. However Bruce Wayne is still a DC character. They need to clear rights to use him either way. That they did get Bruce, means that DC cleared them to get Bruce... with restrictions...

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  56. Nick3 February 2015 at 01:35

    Like i said, rights don't work like that.


    Like you said, you can make a Nightwing show by re-writing the origin to some degree but you can't use Robin. Babs is a supporting character of Batman lore like Robin is... Doesn't matter about the love story(one of my favourites alongside Barry and Iris) between Dick and Barbara(Looking forward to the Convergence series this year).


    FOX and Gotham have the rights. That means that if a viewer wants to see any Batman related show on tv they have to tune in for the FOX series.


    The Flash movie is another thing in another universe... Doesn't count to nothing. We still don't know wich Flash we're getting. Barry Allen i'm sure isn't because of the actor they hired... So maybe it's Wally West.


    Young Bruce is just a minor supporting character that has nothing to do on the show... I'm sure they can't name Batman or anything like that. He's just a kid who parents were murdered. He isn't the star of the show like Clark was for Smallville. That's why they can "use" the name.

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  57. Jon3 February 2015 at 01:35

    You might very well be on to something with the fact that Gotham is a Warner Television produced show that simply airs on FOX. Wich means that it is indeed DC Comics themselves who hand out these character rights all over the place.

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  58. Jon3 February 2015 at 01:37

    Well, Harley is probably because of her inclusion in the Suicide Squad movie.

    And Barbara certainly sound like she's in full Oracle mode in the Titan pilot (wheelchair bound, computer expert)

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  59. Jon3 February 2015 at 01:40

    Regarding the Flash movie. Ezra kinda looks like the current (New 52) version of Bart Allen.

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  60. Nick3 February 2015 at 01:41

    Well, they can still use Deadshot and Capt. Boomerang... I think it was more of a Gotham thing.


    Marc Guggenheim said they were looking to make the Crossovers like BBC does the Doctor Who Specials. Doing a 90 minutes full crossover that would sell as a stand-alone. He said the only problem was making the economics work.


    With Supergirl joining the bunch, we would have had her alongside Arrow, Flash, Atom(well, he is like a mix between Blue Beetle and Iron Man, if that makes sense) and Firestorm. I would be on board for Felicity becoming Arrowverse's Oracle for these crossovers.


    Guess that won't be happening. Still, they said they would love to give her a nickname in the future.


    Guggenheim is always giving stuff about the show on Tumblr lately.

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  61. Folie-lex3 February 2015 at 01:51

    As I said, I do know how rights work.
    There are contingencies and legal loopholes all over the map. It's not as clear cut as you seem to think it is.

    Let me start by saying that shows aren't ONLY owned by the network which airs them, they are also owned by the studio and the production company. And the studio Gotham is shot under is Warner. Which owns DC. And it doesn't matter how big or small the "character' may be, Bruce Wayne is still an iconic character and a name owned by DC. If anyone wants to use it then they need to clear it through legal with DC. And if the owner did clear it, then they can also set restrictions as to how it may be used.


    And I never got the feeling that just because Gotham is broadcast on FOX, DC gave them a cart blanche ownership to every Batman & Gotham, character. Quite the opposite, in fact.

    From all the DC related reports (movie news, other TV franchises etc), I feel that it's DC who is very much in control over who uses their stuff and how they get used.

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  62. Nick3 February 2015 at 02:04

    Gotham is co-produced by Warner and Primrose Hills(Heller's) and distributed on FOX. Networks do have imput over the shows and one should have to know what's the deal FOX has with Warner, to wich we don't have a clue.


    What i know is what Guggenheim said about Arrow and Batman's characters: that "because of Gotham we can't use them anymore".


    The producers go to DC and ask them wich character they can use. Gotham apparently has Batman's rights; if not why would Guggenheim said that, what does he win by lying?


    It's easy: Arrow and Flash can't use Batman's characters... Why Titans can?


    Movies are a totally different thing...

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  63. Jon3 February 2015 at 02:08

    Cyborg is already scheduled for the Justice League movies. Can't have him on TV then.

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  64. Folie-lex3 February 2015 at 02:10

    Because Titans can be looked as a different property, and there can very well be a contingency in the legal document on the Gotham & FOX contract that allows reference to Batman franchises and properties IF used in the Titans realm. DC has the legal power to have included something like that in their legal documents, which basically still grants them ownership of their properties. That's what I'm saying...

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  65. Nick3 February 2015 at 02:21

    Oh, now i get what you're implying. That they look at Titans as a stand alone "trademark" or "license", and they can use some characters to some extent because they're appearing as supporting characters on a show that's not Batman related at it's basic core.


    Did i get it now? Jajajaja Sorry!

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  66. Nick3 February 2015 at 02:26

    I tought he looked like Wally with long hair Jajaja He would have to dye it first...

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  67. Corbin Bolies3 February 2015 at 02:27

    NO BEAST BOY OR CYBORG?!

    Back to the original animated one, I guess.

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  68. Alicia3 February 2015 at 02:27

    You should give the writers some slack. The relationship between Oliver and Felicity also serves very well to illustrate Oliver's struggle between being the Arrow and having a life. A man cannot live by two names, that's the theme of the season so far. So yeah, it's been more prominent and the shippers are in shipping heaven, but it's not completely useless to the plot or Oliver's character. The show is still very enjoyable.

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  69. Folie-lex3 February 2015 at 02:27

    Exactly!

    The way I've seen DC handling it's franchises in the last few years makes me think nothing actually happens unless DC feels they have somewhat the final say.

    Now they can give "ownership" to whoever asks for it, but ultimately they can still use the original properties wherever and however they want.

    Also another thing that proves my "DC calls the shots" argument is exactly what you said that "Movies are a different thing".
    That was clearly DC's call. Separating all TV and Movie entities was their decision and they've stuck to it.
    I do applaud them for that, how they've pretty much bound everyone to have to come back to them for permission of who, what and how to use each title...

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  70. Corbin Bolies3 February 2015 at 02:38

    So is The Flash. They must have known that he was going to be part of the DCCU before green lighting the show, and he's more well-known than Cyborg.

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  71. Jon3 February 2015 at 02:48

    Flash is easier to get away with since there has been four different heroes that has used the name "The Flash", they only need to use one of the other three for the movie.

    Cyborg as far as I know has always only been Vic Stone.

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  72. maclives3 February 2015 at 03:22

    The theme of the season is "let's keep shippers happy and hope they don't turn on us"


    The theme of the season doesen't exist. Virtually no episode revolves around Olivers identity. Nothing for him ever really falls into that aspect.

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  73. Graydon3 February 2015 at 03:23

    Yes because him thinking of Felicity and his family as he dies, or two Diggle speeches in two episodes (the Felicity one in 3x10 would have been absolutely no different even if they didn't have feelings for each other.) So again that is barely any of season 3. I meant how Oliver's love for Thea drove him to fight Ra's. How Merlyn's loss of his wife instigated the undertaking and the list. Or how Slade hating Oliver drove the conflict in two. My point was that every relationship and interaction in a show drives the point. Oh I never denied I was biased towards them, but this show isn't ship heavy. Not every scene is driven by a romantic relationship nor has the plot of season 3 been pure Oliver and Felicity as you suggest (the vast majority aren't). This show may have romantic relationships, may use them and platonic, and familial relationships to drive the plot, but it is not a ship heavy show. Mac I agree that shows too focused on them ie TVD go downhill, or that hardcore shippers are obnoxious and extreme. You think they have too much focus, okay, but dude this isn't TVD. They're not pandering to the fans or taking away from any character journey or plot points (dude they made Laurel Black Canary despite massive fan outrage and even critics like John Campea coining terms like Laurelapocalypse). I agree that Arrow should never just be about romance but it's not and it won't be. It's about Oliver Queen, his journey and becoming Green Arrow, and about those who help him along the way. The writers have not forgotten that.

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  74. Ron3 February 2015 at 03:23

    I dont read comics i like the tv show i expect to see those four. I will have to wait and see for this

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  75. Graydon3 February 2015 at 03:26

    Your point? It means she's in a comic book dude? It's one issue.

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  76. maclives3 February 2015 at 03:27

    just to give my commentmore meaning: (yes, that is Felicity Smoak all sprayed over the cover)

    https://twitter.com/DCComics/status/562441602090926080/photo/1

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  77. Nick3 February 2015 at 03:27

    Honestly, with all the good DC live-action material on tv, i would pay for some kind of DC Channel Jajajaja Imagine having Arrow, Supergirl, Flash, Atom(this weird Atom/Blue Beetle/Iron Man bastard at least Jajaja), Firestorm, Titans, Birds of Prey, etc and allow all of them to sort of cross over in New Years specials(like Doctor Who) called Justice League.


    I'm just daydreaming Jajajajaja

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  78. Graydon3 February 2015 at 03:42

    I'm not even gonna. I can sure no matter what I say it won't change anything (though again arguing that there is more romance focus this season is bs). Whatever problems you have with three's plot lines Olicity isn't to blame. Besides the Calm, and Draw BackYour Bow they haven't been big in any episode. Compare that to season one where we have countless Laurel and Tommy/ Oliver plot lines and jealousy, or Oliver and McKenna or even Roy and Thea. Dude Arrow is still that same action show, but whatever problems you have quality wise you really can't just say it's filler to Olicity romance. Since that would ignore 3x02, 3x03, 3x04, 3x05 (One scene of a romantic nature and it ends immediately and nothing between them occurs), 3x06, 3x08, or 3x09. None of those episodes are affected by their relationship plot wise. They interact (but in a Team Arrow way 99% of the time) or in a emotional way (the end of 3x05 and the love confession in 3x09) in response to death or the idea of dying, but they're not the main focus point or anything of any of these episodes nor do their interactions run long than a minute two tops. This is still Arrow. That hasn't changed.

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  79. ragul3 February 2015 at 03:42

    what u said abt arrow is true .
    its time for the writers to focus on the storyline and not olicity/raylicity or whatever .

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  80. ragul3 February 2015 at 03:44

    ah man,its nice to see someone is speaking out .we have to speak out so that writers can hear us.

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  81. Spindae23 February 2015 at 09:19

    On the other hand it's easier to introduce male characters in the DC universe, won't lack of them for sure. ;-)

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  82. 01lander3 February 2015 at 09:27

    I do agree this team is a tad too female heavy which I found to be quite a problem with The Secret Circle as it limited the audience somewhat. Hopefully this gets picked up on and the powers that be give the creators the conditional offer that Beast Boy and Cyborg are to be included for this show to go ahead.

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  83. Kati3 February 2015 at 09:31

    She had my interest until she reached the "love triangle" part. Then it screeched to a halt and I started backing away. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. I've seen way too many shows destroyed by love triangles - hello there, Julie Plec and your Tomorrow People kefuffle! - to watch another train wreck like that.

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  84. 01lander3 February 2015 at 17:07

    My post is promoting a healthy mix, not a male dominated show?

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  85. Spindae23 February 2015 at 17:30

    I know what your meant and agree with you.

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  86. maclives3 February 2015 at 22:07

    lol...this world hates me I guess xD

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  87. Mercy3 February 2015 at 22:27

    found it and you are going to hate it..... http://www.spoilertv.com/2015/01/the-spoilertv-daily-news-roundup_22.html

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  88. Mercy3 February 2015 at 22:27

    sometimes these type of news are put together in a news roundup, especially if they are not directly spoilers of a specific show on this site (since cartoons most of the time are not covered here).

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