They better confirm that damon compelled the stuff on the school board to make jeremy graduate.When did he last go to school?He was day-drinking & whining on tyler's couch all day!Come on,writers!
Given that it was revealed last season that Elena's dad went to the Joseph Mengele school of vampire medicine, I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn he pissed off the wrong person.
Okay, so Grayson and Miranda's death was definitely supernatural, but even Damon couldn't have left behind that kind of evidence, so I think it was a witch. I think someone from the Gemini coven tried to kill Elena to prevent the Travelers from breaking their curse. Considering the timeline, it might have been Liv. She would have been old enough. The luggage, and the lack of Jeremy in the car with them, indicates that Grayson and Miranda were taking Elena out of town and possibly into hiding. Elena might have a memory spell on her keeping her from remembering what really happened that night. Vampires couldn't have been involved because any compulsion would have broken when Elena became a vampire. One other thing can be taken from this: Stefan. Lied. AGAIN. I've suspected for a while that he had some kind of affiliation with that coven. Why else was he headed to Oregon of all places to supposedly get over Elena? Stefan being tied to the Gemini coven would also explain why Liv showed up so fast after Travelers took blood from Stefan and Elena outside Mystic Falls. Word couldn't have reached an isolated coven in Portland so quickly. Someone must have told them. I also wondered why it sometimes seemed like Stefan was aware that Elena wasn't herself. He might have known that Katherine was in Elena's body, and he just went along with it like Liv did until everyone else figured it out and wanted to stop Katherine. Luke and Liv always targeted Elena, barely touching Stefan, so he had to be in on what they were doing. And everyone thought KLAUS was a threat.
If I'm right, I would love to see Elena team up with Kai to get rid of those witches.
Awww. There's a lot to look forward to in this episode. The Damon/Liz scenes made me smile. And I still like the Damon/Jeremy scene. Good to see Matt taking a time out from Enzo to hang with Jeremy for awhile. I remember when Jeremy died, and Matt broke down in his car. That was so sad. I will miss our Little Gilbert.
Liz doesn't look like someone about to die of brain cancer. She's way too healthy here - there's no way she should be about to die because if that were the case her cognitive skills would be going and she wouldn't be able to be and about like that.
I thought stefan once said to elena that he was checking up on her and he saw their car drove of the bridge.He reached out to help only to find out she looked like a carbon copy of Katherine.Stefan better not be lying about this night!
We've never seen her get worse and actually look very sick yet though - so her brain cancer can't be that advanced or else she'd have severe head aches and personality shifts and be saying OCC stuff.
My best theory about the luggage is that Grayson and Miranda already knew someone was after Elena and they were trying to take her to safety, but they didn't make it. They might have known that Stefan was around and Damon was stalking Elena, or they could have been made aware of a different threat. It had to be something specific to Elena because Jeremy wasn't in the car. That or the threat was to all three of them, which would have meant it was about Augustine or the Council, or both, and Elena still needed protection from any current or future threat to a doppelganger. A witch probably did something to cause the accident, somehow without the car leaving any sign of swerving. I think we can rule out anything related to Klaus because no one even talks about him anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if he knew something about what happened, though.
Would it still leave skid marks if someone just stood on the bridge and startled Grayson into driving into the river? I guess it would depend on whether he used the brakes, or how he would have tried to avoid hitting the person. I think a brilliant scientist would know when he has no choice but to let the car go into the river. If a vampire was by chance on the bridge, I could see Grayson letting the car float while coming up with a strategy for getting out of the car without anyone getting bitten or turned. That would have been impossible to do. If a human stood on the bridge and Grayson was on the run with his wife and daughter, he probably would have just run over a human and kept going.
I think JP changed her mind about this being a human death. Nothing human could have done this.
I think at this point the revelation that Stefan is secretly a crazed sociopath would be refreshing for the character. I'd love a Jackyll/Hyde deal for Stefan
By the way it's going,i'm pretty sure she changed her mind.It happened with kai and a million other things with kai,so i wouldn't take her words so seriously.
I hope these are separate stories, if it doesn't turn out that Damon caused the accident himself. If Mama Salvatore comes back, I think the issues will be more about her abandoning her sons for almost 200 years, and her reaction to Elena almost ripping apart the brothers. Mama Salvatore is rumored to be highly opinionated. The term "caustic" was actually used to describe her personality.
yep. plus its an opportunity to explore why Stefan is the only vampire on Earth with that crazy uncontrollable Reaper bloodlust. maybe its really about his Mr Hyde side
I would love to see Kai and Elena hook up. Not a relationship though, since Kai isn't really capable of a stable romance right now. I think he's into Elena. Anything but the Salvatore brothers. I'm bored to death with both of those relationships.
Grayson and Miranda were taking Elena home from a party, remember? That's why Jeremy wasn't in the car. He was at home, with Aunt Jenna. Elena went to a party with friends and with her boyfriend Matt, they had a bad situation and she called her parents. So, when she was outside, waiting for them, she met Damon for the very first time (so, he wasn't stalking her yet). Remember those flashbacks on season 3, 22th episode?
But yes, JP changed her mind about it being a human death. She said more than one time that the accident wasn't caused by something supernatural, and now this plot suggests the opposite.
You missed the part about luggage in the car. Grayson and Miranda might have been running away with Elena for some reason she wasn't aware of. They just seized the opportunity that night to take her out of town. The more I consider this, the more obvious it seems that Damon killed them. If the luggage was planted to create fake evidence, Damon would have done that. I'm sure he was aware of an Augustine lab in town, and Elena being alone in the car with her parents would have given Damon the opportunity for his usual M.O. of leaving one person behind (Jeremy) in each generation. Damon didn't leave behind his usual body trail and fabricated a car crash because he didn't want anyone to know he was in town. He was there to get Katherine and he got sidetracked temporarily by his Augustine obsession. I'm sure Damon just stood on the bridge the same way Rebekah did later on, and Grayson had no other option but to drive into the river to avoid a dangerous vampire. I wouldn't be surprised if Rebekah killed Elena the way she did to be vindictive, and the Originals already knew somehow what Damon did. Considering that Damon is supposed to be a redeemable character, I'm sure he'll tell Elena himself what he did at some point, and she'll forgive him, but it's hard to say if she'll still want to be with him. This makes sense and coincides perfectly with Jeremy's exit, leaving one less complication to write about and more screen time for other stories.
In a sneak preview Elena says she and Damon helped the process along, or words to that effect, i.e. they compelled the s*** out of everyone at school who had anything to do with who would graduate.
I've always loved seeing them together too! But I think there couldn't be a Liz/Damon scene quite like this one without them having built their relationship through good times and bad over 5+ seasons. I recall that Damon considered Liz a friend early on, his first friend really, long before Ric, Rose and Enzo ever came on the scene. Now they're comfortable with each other; they know and accept each other "just the way they are" and it shows.
I still don't think it is supernatural related just yet. Here are a few things we Know and I suspect 1) The Gilbert's were having family night which may have been common knowledge. 2) Elena was out with Matt and was expected to be brought home by Matt - Elena's parents were not expecting to receive a phone call from her asking for a ride home 3) Damon and Stefan were both in the area - Based on Damon's ??? I am ruling him out - could Stefan have caused the car to go off the road - don't think he would have lied to Elena about being in the area hunting for food and heard the crash 4) Jenna was with them - enjoying family night 5) Suspect - Grayson / Miranda were planning on leaving - my guess w/o Jer./Elena the next morning - probably after the kids went to school - Leaving them with Jenna 6) Suspect - Grayson/ Miranda - may have known there was a threat & were leaving town to divert what ever threat or who ever away from their children 7) Suspect - someone tampered with (possible the breaks) the car - no skid marks 8) Suspect - Grayson's work may have gotten him and his wife killed
God this preview made me realize how much I'm going to miss Liz/Damon scenes. Finally something interesting to look forward to in this episode because I don't give a damn about Jeremy leaving, Enzo being Enzo and Steroline. Liz/Damon scenes and the mystery behind the accident picked my interest.
If Grayson and Miranda's death had a supernatural cause shouldn't the Gilbert Ring have worked? Or doesn't it count as a supernatural death because they drowned and so technically whatever supernatural being was involved didn't immediately caused their death? Since I read that Liz is going to ask Damon for help solving this case I was I afraid that maybe Damon did it because of his whole history with Augustin, but now I don't think that anymore. He seems pretty clueless in this clip. And I don't think he would help Liz with this if he did it. He would find some excuse to drop this case but he seems interested about what happend that night too. So I rule Damon out. Stefan said he came to the bridge after he heard a crash. So whatever caused the car to drive of the bridge could have already fled or hide by the time he arrived. So I guess he has no clue what really happend either. I just don't think he is capable of lying to Elena's face about something that important. But I don't rule him out completely. It wouldn't be the first time Stefan does something I never thought he was capable of.
I don't think the Gilbert ring would bring back someone who drowned, but it would be interesting if Stefan and Damon aren't the only ones with a parent who is possibly still alive. Grayson could be very useful to some storylines on TVD and TO.
I don't think he survived. Otherwise there would be a body missing and the police should know. I was just thinking about the Gilbert Ring to rule out a supernatural death. But I guess I can't because, like you said, drowning probably doesn't count as a supernatural death. IF Grayson survived (which I doubt.. but it's not impossible) he must have somehow covered it up. Maybe with the help from a witch ..or a vampire who compeled the police
Grayson would be the one to come back if something supernatural made them crash, it doesn't matter the manner in which they died the Gilber Ring brings anyone back as long as they died from a supernatural cause, her mom wouldn't she never had a Gilbert Ring
Ok, I watched the clip again and Damon's interest seems genuine. However, the physical evidence indicates that nothing human caused Grayson and Miranda to die. I've wondered before if Grayson faked his own death for reasons unknown to anyone, but remembering the Gilbert ring, I think it's possible that Grayson has been under the radar like Mama Salvatore, if the rumors are true that she's returning. The Gemini coven could have been already targeting Elena, or Katherine might have followed Stefan to Mystic Falls, and then left after causing the crash that she believed would solve the problem of Elena. This could be the writers' response to fans screaming to bring her back.
There's something else that's less likely but still probable since this mythology was introduced in Season 2, when JP and KW decided how to end the series. What if somewhere along the line, someone made a deal with a witch and a different person has been walking around in Elena's body for years? It would explain changes in her behavior, but then again so would grief, and this sort of thing seems like a Season 7 revelation anyway. I'm very curious to see exactly what happened that night.
No that you mention Mama Salvatore. Isn't it weird that they bring up Mama Salvatore and Elena's parents death almost at the same time? They are all parents (even if not biological) of dopplegangers.
It also took a while for the Gilbert ring to resurrect someone. A body would have been found, but the body could have woken up in a morgue and walked out. Then, like you said, all that's left is the cover-up.
Your right! And since there was luggage in the car trunk it is possible that Grayson had to flee from something or someone. So maybe the fact that everyone thought he died was a lucky coincidence (under those circumstances) so he decided to roll with it and continue to cover it up?
Something weird is going on. JP and CD said that doppelganger mythology would be "peppered in" this season. Maybe it's part of the chaos of being a doppelganger that one's parents die even from car crashes and diseases. Stefan killed his own father himself, partly out of rage and partly due to uncontrolled bloodlust. But I don't know if they would take the mythology this far. Some person or group that we don't know about yet, or probably the group causing the most trouble this season, has been disrupting doppelgangers' lives and their families. I believe there will be a fight with the Gemini coven at the end of the season.
I could especially see this happening if Grayson somehow woke up a vampire. If someone from the Gemini coven did this, they could have disabled the ring, and Grayson was around vampire blood every day. I still ask myself why Isobel wanted to be a vampire and why John Gilbert would encourage her to be one.
I'm not anti per se but i'm so over their relationship melodrama.Stay together and spare us the weekly torture of the same relationship conversation over & over!
I just don't like the fact they have over written the importance of Stefan's relationship with Elena. I never shipped for Stelena but it made the better story than this one.
Last season, when we were about to see more of Grayson's past on episode 10, some people wondered if Damon had something with the accident that killed Elena's parents. And once more, JP repeated that wasn't Damon. Even if wasn't just a normal, human accident, it was not Damon's fault.
And even if JP really wants change this plot at this point, I don't think she will blame one of the Salvatore brothers. If it was one of them, specially Damon, last season was the moment to reaveal, when that Augustine plot was going.
"Suspect - Grayson / Miranda were planning on leaving - my guess w/o Jer./Elena the next morning - probably after the kids went to school - Leaving them with Jenna" >>> It's a huge possibility. They were ready to leave town, maybe for a while (like a trip to Oregon), and never could do it. And maybe Mama Salvatore were in town to stalk her children and caused the accident.
I think there will be a fight with the Gemini Coven at the end of the season too! That's what I thought since the season started. Ever since Liv said something like "Turns out your friends were right. The world does revolve around Elena" to Jeremy (in S5) I have a feeling they have something else to do with the doppelgangers than just stoping the travelers.
They also made the whole relationship of stefan-elena a giant lie hen they explained the whole markos doppleganger plan in season 5.I absolutely hated that.The thing is,when stefan and elena were a couple,there were so many other storylines going on,especially the whole klaus-elijah-katherine-original family track so it didn't feel like there's nothing more to the show other than romantic shipping.But now,the main plotline is pretty weak since season 5,so delena relationship seems even more irritating & tiring.When kevin was in charge of the series during the 1st 2 seasons,every supporting character had something to do but now look at enzo,matt,tyler,alaric even stefan.No one has any storyline-absolutely none.
What about those mysterious friends in Denver that Elena sent Jer. to visit? JP was firm during her interviews that Elena's parent's death was NOT supernatural. If, Mama Salvatore was in town, why would Mama Salvatore cause the accident? Because, she believed Elena was Katherine?
I agree. I think the Gemini coven was targeting Elena, and Grayson and Miranda wanted to get her into hiding as quickly and quietly as possible. There would have been a huge fuss if they told Elena ahead of time that she was leaving town, her school and her friends. She was a different person back then, not to mention a teenager. I still think there's a possibility, though, that the quick and quiet departure was because of Stefan and Damon's unscheduled reappearance in town. Grayson and Miranda probably got spooked and if they knew what Elena was, their first instinct would be to get her away from the Salvatore brothers before more trouble came knocking like it eventually did anyway. A different, third party might have caused the crash. Katherine was notorious for pulling crap that no one saw coming. I don't see how or why Stefan and Damon's mother could be involved even if she is still alive. Grayson might have survived, but new revelations come out all the time about the kind of person he was. He might have had survivor's guilt because his wife died and he didn't, or maybe he was abducted and he's still being held somewhere against his will. Maybe he faked his death not caring about any collateral damage. Also, rings come off. Katherine cut John's fingers off to remove his ring. Grayson could have been killed more than once by a vampire or a witch.
If Grayson is still alive, I think it would be much more fascinating to have him on TO. His scientific mind and knowledge and curiosity about the supernatural would serve a more interesting purpose in some of the stories on that show. Too many people get brought back from the dead on TVD and really only serve as plot devices.
Unless Grayson was not wearing the ring the night of the crash - he was planning on leaving town so he probably left the ring for Jeremy - but John had the ring so John may have known about the reasons WHY they were leaving town. So did John know the reasons why they were leaving town? And, could they have been going to see these family friends in DENVER? We have not been told much about these friends other then Elena trusted them enough to send Jer. to stay with them.
I was thinking too that Grayson might not have been wearing the ring. If the family friends in Denver were a threat, I'm pretty sure we would have found out a long time ago. I think that little tidbit was just something the writers came up with when the story led to Jeremy having to leave town.
If it's true, I think Mama Salvatore didn't want to cause the accident. She could be trying to get in touch with Stefan and Damon that night, and the car sundelly appeared. Or maybe she believed Elena was Katherine! LOL That would be tragic.
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They better confirm that damon compelled the stuff on the school board to make jeremy graduate.When did he last go to school?He was day-drinking & whining on tyler's couch all day!Come on,writers!
ReplyDeleteI hope Mama Salvatore is part of the Gilbert mystery. That would be the first family related obstacle for Delena, would be neat to see them cop.
ReplyDeleteno skid marks? that's strange
ReplyDeletewhat do you mean? in a bad way?
ReplyDeleteyep. ^_^
ReplyDeleteI'm dying to see if there's mystery regarding elena's parent's death this episode!
ReplyDeletemean
ReplyDeleteI think there's already a sneak peek confirming that.
ReplyDeletewhat do think they were up to? we already know Grayson was up some shady business in Whitmore but Mama Gilbert seemed nice so
ReplyDeleteI know! <3 it! #chucklesMean# ^_^
ReplyDeleteGiven that it was revealed last season that Elena's dad went to the Joseph Mengele school of vampire medicine, I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn he pissed off the wrong person.
ReplyDeleteI avoid sneak peeks in general.Glad to know they didn't forget about this.
ReplyDeleteOkay, so Grayson and Miranda's death was definitely supernatural, but even Damon couldn't have left behind that kind of evidence, so I think it was a witch. I think someone from the Gemini coven tried to kill Elena to prevent the Travelers from breaking their curse. Considering the timeline, it might have been Liv. She would have been old enough. The luggage, and the lack of Jeremy in the car with them, indicates that Grayson and Miranda were taking Elena out of town and possibly into hiding. Elena might have a memory spell on her keeping her from remembering what really happened that night. Vampires couldn't have been involved because any compulsion would have broken when Elena became a vampire. One other thing can be taken from this: Stefan. Lied. AGAIN. I've suspected for a while that he had some kind of affiliation with that coven. Why else was he headed to Oregon of all places to supposedly get over Elena? Stefan being tied to the Gemini coven would also explain why Liv showed up so fast after Travelers took blood from Stefan and Elena outside Mystic Falls. Word couldn't have reached an isolated coven in Portland so quickly. Someone must have told them. I also wondered why it sometimes seemed like Stefan was aware that Elena wasn't herself. He might have known that Katherine was in Elena's body, and he just went along with it like Liv did until everyone else figured it out and wanted to stop Katherine. Luke and Liv always targeted Elena, barely touching Stefan, so he had to be in on what they were doing. And everyone thought KLAUS was a threat.
ReplyDeleteIf I'm right, I would love to see Elena team up with Kai to get rid of those witches.
Awww. There's a lot to look forward to in this episode. The Damon/Liz scenes made me smile. And I still like the Damon/Jeremy scene. Good to see Matt taking a time out from Enzo to hang with Jeremy for awhile. I remember when Jeremy died, and Matt broke down in his car. That was so sad. I will miss our Little Gilbert.
ReplyDeleteLOL!!
ReplyDeleteLiz doesn't look like someone about to die of brain cancer. She's way too healthy here - there's no way she should be about to die because if that were the case her cognitive skills would be going and she wouldn't be able to be and about like that.
ReplyDeleteThere's a term-Sometimes you get better just before you take a turn for worse.Maybe the same thing is happening here!
ReplyDeleteAs bruse said,He probably rubbed someone the wrong way and had to pay the ultimate price along with his innocent wife.
ReplyDeleteI'll miss these banters.Oh,damon!Never change!
ReplyDeleteI thought stefan once said to elena that he was checking up on her and he saw their car drove of the bridge.He reached out to help only to find out she looked like a carbon copy of Katherine.Stefan better not be lying about this night!
ReplyDeleteThat or someone or something is about to make her worse. She's diving into something juicy, and she's trusting a vampire.
ReplyDeleteWe've never seen her get worse and actually look very sick yet though - so her brain cancer can't be that advanced or else she'd have severe head aches and personality shifts and be saying OCC stuff.
ReplyDeletethat would be awesome.
ReplyDeleteIn case of TVD,we'll have to presume that's happening off-screen sometime.#TVDLogic.
ReplyDeleteIn her recent TVine interview for her upcoming roles, she mentioned she has her own agenda! Think its either connected to this or to Sarah.
ReplyDeleteMy best theory about the luggage is that Grayson and Miranda already knew someone was after Elena and they were trying to take her to safety, but they didn't make it. They might have known that Stefan was around and Damon was stalking Elena, or they could have been made aware of a different threat. It had to be something specific to Elena because Jeremy wasn't in the car. That or the threat was to all three of them, which would have meant it was about Augustine or the Council, or both, and Elena still needed protection from any current or future threat to a doppelganger. A witch probably did something to cause the accident, somehow without the car leaving any sign of swerving. I think we can rule out anything related to Klaus because no one even talks about him anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if he knew something about what happened, though.
ReplyDeleteWould it still leave skid marks if someone just stood on the bridge and startled Grayson into driving into the river? I guess it would depend on whether he used the brakes, or how he would have tried to avoid hitting the person. I think a brilliant scientist would know when he has no choice but to let the car go into the river. If a vampire was by chance on the bridge, I could see Grayson letting the car float while coming up with a strategy for getting out of the car without anyone getting bitten or turned. That would have been impossible to do. If a human stood on the bridge and Grayson was on the run with his wife and daughter, he probably would have just run over a human and kept going.
I think JP changed her mind about this being a human death. Nothing human could have done this.
I've heard Plec say there was nothing suspicious or supernatural about it. I believe it was merely an accident.
ReplyDeleteI think at this point the revelation that Stefan is secretly a crazed sociopath would be refreshing for the character. I'd love a Jackyll/Hyde deal for Stefan
ReplyDeleteBy the way it's going,i'm pretty sure she changed her mind.It happened with kai and a million other things with kai,so i wouldn't take her words so seriously.
ReplyDeleteEven actors enjoy playing villains. It supposedly releases their inhibitions.
ReplyDeleteI've never bought into julie's theory of it being a mere human accident.Nope,not having it,woman!
ReplyDeleteI would love that.At least it would give him something to do other than following around caroline like a lost puppy 24/7.
ReplyDeleteI hope these are separate stories, if it doesn't turn out that Damon caused the accident himself. If Mama Salvatore comes back, I think the issues will be more about her abandoning her sons for almost 200 years, and her reaction to Elena almost ripping apart the brothers. Mama Salvatore is rumored to be highly opinionated. The term "caustic" was actually used to describe her personality.
ReplyDeleteThey all have a hidden agenda.
ReplyDeleteyep. plus its an opportunity to explore why Stefan is the only vampire on Earth with that crazy uncontrollable Reaper bloodlust. maybe its really about his Mr Hyde side
ReplyDeleteYa,i forgot about that.Another good theory.I wonder why we're not on thje writing staff?LOL!
ReplyDeleteVery true!
ReplyDeleteAny new character of TVD has some shady,mysterious past,is good looking,emotionally conflicted.
and on that note isn't Kai suffering from split personality as well these days? maybe they could use some spell on both of them.
ReplyDeleteI;m dying to see her opinion about Delena!
ReplyDeleteHis case is very convoluted,even by TVD standards.I was waiting for the twist that he would now turn gay and fall for matt/tyler,then BAM!No dice!LOL!
ReplyDeleteShe might lend an on-screen voice to those of us who aren't all about Stelena or Delena.
ReplyDeletewait and we're sure the character is Stefan and Damon's mom?
ReplyDeleteFor now,Kai is anti-delena.
ReplyDeleteI would love to see Kai and Elena hook up. Not a relationship though, since Kai isn't really capable of a stable romance right now. I think he's into Elena. Anything but the Salvatore brothers. I'm bored to death with both of those relationships.
ReplyDeleteGrayson and Miranda were taking Elena home from a party, remember? That's why Jeremy wasn't in the car. He was at home, with Aunt Jenna. Elena went to a party with friends and with her boyfriend Matt, they had a bad situation and she called her parents. So, when she was outside, waiting for them, she met Damon for the very first time (so, he wasn't stalking her yet).
ReplyDeleteRemember those flashbacks on season 3, 22th episode?
But yes, JP changed her mind about it being a human death. She said more than one time that the accident wasn't caused by something supernatural, and now this plot suggests the opposite.
You missed the part about luggage in the car. Grayson and Miranda might have been running away with Elena for some reason she wasn't aware of. They just seized the opportunity that night to take her out of town. The more I consider this, the more obvious it seems that Damon killed them. If the luggage was planted to create fake evidence, Damon would have done that. I'm sure he was aware of an Augustine lab in town, and Elena being alone in the car with her parents would have given Damon the opportunity for his usual M.O. of leaving one person behind (Jeremy) in each generation. Damon didn't leave behind his usual body trail and fabricated a car crash because he didn't want anyone to know he was in town. He was there to get Katherine and he got sidetracked temporarily by his Augustine obsession. I'm sure Damon just stood on the bridge the same way Rebekah did later on, and Grayson had no other option but to drive into the river to avoid a dangerous vampire. I wouldn't be surprised if Rebekah killed Elena the way she did to be vindictive, and the Originals already knew somehow what Damon did. Considering that Damon is supposed to be a redeemable character, I'm sure he'll tell Elena himself what he did at some point, and she'll forgive him, but it's hard to say if she'll still want to be with him. This makes sense and coincides perfectly with Jeremy's exit, leaving one less complication to write about and more screen time for other stories.
ReplyDeleteIn a sneak preview Elena says she and Damon helped the process along, or words to that effect, i.e. they compelled the s*** out of everyone at school who had anything to do with who would graduate.
ReplyDeleteI've always loved seeing them together too! But I think there couldn't be a Liz/Damon scene quite like this one without them having built their relationship through good times and bad over 5+ seasons. I recall that Damon considered Liz a friend early on, his first friend really, long before Ric, Rose and Enzo ever came on the scene. Now they're comfortable with each other; they know and accept each other "just the way they are" and it shows.
ReplyDeleteI still don't think it is supernatural related just yet.
ReplyDeleteHere are a few things we Know and I suspect
1) The Gilbert's were having family night which may have been common knowledge.
2) Elena was out with Matt and was expected to be brought home by Matt - Elena's parents were not expecting to receive a phone call from her asking for a ride home
3) Damon and Stefan were both in the area - Based on Damon's ??? I am ruling him out - could Stefan have caused the car to go off the road - don't think he would have lied to Elena about being in the area hunting for food and heard the crash
4) Jenna was with them - enjoying family night
5) Suspect - Grayson / Miranda were planning on leaving - my guess w/o Jer./Elena the next morning - probably after the kids went to school - Leaving them with Jenna
6) Suspect - Grayson/ Miranda - may have known there was a threat & were leaving town to divert what ever threat or who ever away from their children
7) Suspect - someone tampered with (possible the breaks) the car - no skid marks
8) Suspect - Grayson's work may have gotten him and his wife killed
God this preview made me realize how much I'm going to miss Liz/Damon scenes. Finally something interesting to look forward to in this episode because I don't give a damn about Jeremy leaving, Enzo being Enzo and Steroline. Liz/Damon scenes and the mystery behind the accident picked my interest.
ReplyDeleteAs long as it doesn't dampen kai's snarky & psychopathic personality & golden one-liners,i'm on-board!
ReplyDeleteI don't think it was Damon. I thought it was a possiblity but I don't anymore. In this clip he seems pretty clueless..
ReplyDeleteIf Grayson and Miranda's death had a supernatural cause shouldn't the Gilbert Ring have worked? Or doesn't it count as a supernatural death because they drowned and so technically whatever supernatural being was involved didn't immediately caused their death?
ReplyDeleteSince I read that Liz is going to ask Damon for help solving this case I was I afraid that maybe Damon did it because of his whole history with Augustin, but now I don't think that anymore. He seems pretty clueless in this clip. And I don't think he would help Liz with this if he did it. He would find some excuse to drop this case but he seems interested about what happend that night too. So I rule Damon out.
Stefan said he came to the bridge after he heard a crash. So whatever caused the car to drive of the bridge could have already fled or hide by the time he arrived. So I guess he has no clue what really happend either. I just don't think he is capable of lying to Elena's face about something that important. But I don't rule him out completely. It wouldn't be the first time Stefan does something I never thought he was capable of.
I don't think the Gilbert ring would bring back someone who drowned, but it would be interesting if Stefan and Damon aren't the only ones with a parent who is possibly still alive. Grayson could be very useful to some storylines on TVD and TO.
ReplyDeleteI don't think he survived. Otherwise there would be a body missing and the police should know. I was just thinking about the Gilbert Ring to rule out a supernatural death. But I guess I can't because, like you said, drowning probably doesn't count as a supernatural death. IF Grayson survived (which I doubt.. but it's not impossible) he must have somehow covered it up. Maybe with the help from a witch ..or a vampire who compeled the police
ReplyDeleteGrayson would be the one to come back if something supernatural made them crash, it doesn't matter the manner in which they died the Gilber Ring brings anyone back as long as they died from a supernatural cause, her mom wouldn't she never had a Gilbert Ring
ReplyDeleteOk, I watched the clip again and Damon's interest seems genuine. However, the physical evidence indicates that nothing human caused Grayson and Miranda to die. I've wondered before if Grayson faked his own death for reasons unknown to anyone, but remembering the Gilbert ring, I think it's possible that Grayson has been under the radar like Mama Salvatore, if the rumors are true that she's returning. The Gemini coven could have been already targeting Elena, or Katherine might have followed Stefan to Mystic Falls, and then left after causing the crash that she believed would solve the problem of Elena. This could be the writers' response to fans screaming to bring her back.
ReplyDeleteThere's something else that's less likely but still probable since this mythology was introduced in Season 2, when JP and KW decided how to end the series. What if somewhere along the line, someone made a deal with a witch and a different person has been walking around in Elena's body for years? It would explain changes in her behavior, but then again so would grief, and this sort of thing seems like a Season 7 revelation anyway. I'm very curious to see exactly what happened that night.
No that you mention Mama Salvatore. Isn't it weird that they bring up Mama Salvatore and Elena's parents death almost at the same time? They are all parents (even if not biological) of dopplegangers.
ReplyDeleteIt also took a while for the Gilbert ring to resurrect someone. A body would have been found, but the body could have woken up in a morgue and walked out. Then, like you said, all that's left is the cover-up.
ReplyDeleteYour right! And since there was luggage in the car trunk it is possible that Grayson had to flee from something or someone. So maybe the fact that everyone thought he died was a lucky coincidence (under those circumstances) so he decided to roll with it and continue to cover it up?
ReplyDeleteSomething weird is going on. JP and CD said that doppelganger mythology would be "peppered in" this season. Maybe it's part of the chaos of being a doppelganger that one's parents die even from car crashes and diseases. Stefan killed his own father himself, partly out of rage and partly due to uncontrolled bloodlust. But I don't know if they would take the mythology this far. Some person or group that we don't know about yet, or probably the group causing the most trouble this season, has been disrupting doppelgangers' lives and their families. I believe there will be a fight with the Gemini coven at the end of the season.
ReplyDeleteI could especially see this happening if Grayson somehow woke up a vampire. If someone from the Gemini coven did this, they could have disabled the ring, and Grayson was around vampire blood every day. I still ask myself why Isobel wanted to be a vampire and why John Gilbert would encourage her to be one.
ReplyDeleteSo am I buddy LOL
ReplyDeletewould love it if the major plot twist was that Damon somehow caused the crash, now that would be a good angle.
ReplyDeleteI'm not anti per se but i'm so over their relationship melodrama.Stay together and spare us the weekly torture of the same relationship conversation over & over!
ReplyDeleteThat will break Delena up good,so no chance in hell the writers would go for this angle.
ReplyDeleteI just don't like the fact they have over written the importance of Stefan's relationship with Elena. I never shipped for Stelena but it made the better story than this one.
ReplyDeleteLast season, when we were about to see more of Grayson's past on episode 10, some people wondered if Damon had something with the accident that killed Elena's parents. And once more, JP repeated that wasn't Damon. Even if wasn't just a normal, human accident, it was not Damon's fault.
ReplyDeleteAnd even if JP really wants change this plot at this point, I don't think she will blame one of the Salvatore brothers. If it was one of them, specially Damon, last season was the moment to reaveal, when that Augustine plot was going.
"Suspect - Grayson / Miranda were planning on leaving - my guess w/o
ReplyDeleteJer./Elena the next morning - probably after the kids went to school -
Leaving them with Jenna" >>> It's a huge possibility.
They were ready to leave town, maybe for a while (like a trip to Oregon), and never could do it. And maybe Mama Salvatore were in town to stalk her children and caused the accident.
I think there will be a fight with the Gemini Coven at the end of the season too! That's what I thought since the season started. Ever since Liv said something like "Turns out your friends were right. The world does revolve around Elena" to Jeremy (in S5) I have a feeling they have something else to do with the doppelgangers than just stoping the travelers.
ReplyDeleteI have to say I'm pretty excited about this storyline. I love when storylines make me think and speculate.
ReplyDeleteThey also made the whole relationship of stefan-elena a giant lie hen they explained the whole markos doppleganger plan in season 5.I absolutely hated that.The thing is,when stefan and elena were a couple,there were so many other storylines going on,especially the whole klaus-elijah-katherine-original family track so it didn't feel like there's nothing more to the show other than romantic shipping.But now,the main plotline is pretty weak since season 5,so delena relationship seems even more irritating & tiring.When kevin was in charge of the series during the 1st 2 seasons,every supporting character had something to do but now look at enzo,matt,tyler,alaric even stefan.No one has any storyline-absolutely none.
ReplyDeleteWhat about those mysterious friends in Denver that Elena sent Jer. to visit? JP was firm during her interviews that Elena's parent's death was NOT supernatural. If, Mama Salvatore was in town, why would Mama Salvatore cause the accident? Because, she believed Elena was Katherine?
ReplyDeleteI agree. I think the Gemini coven was targeting Elena, and Grayson and Miranda wanted to get her into hiding as quickly and quietly as possible. There would have been a huge fuss if they told Elena ahead of time that she was leaving town, her school and her friends. She was a different person back then, not to mention a teenager. I still think there's a possibility, though, that the quick and quiet departure was because of Stefan and Damon's unscheduled reappearance in town. Grayson and Miranda probably got spooked and if they knew what Elena was, their first instinct would be to get her away from the Salvatore brothers before more trouble came knocking like it eventually did anyway. A different, third party might have caused the crash. Katherine was notorious for pulling crap that no one saw coming. I don't see how or why Stefan and Damon's mother could be involved even if she is still alive. Grayson might have survived, but new revelations come out all the time about the kind of person he was. He might have had survivor's guilt because his wife died and he didn't, or maybe he was abducted and he's still being held somewhere against his will. Maybe he faked his death not caring about any collateral damage. Also, rings come off. Katherine cut John's fingers off to remove his ring. Grayson could have been killed more than once by a vampire or a witch.
ReplyDeleteIf Grayson is still alive, I think it would be much more fascinating to have him on TO. His scientific mind and knowledge and curiosity about the supernatural would serve a more interesting purpose in some of the stories on that show. Too many people get brought back from the dead on TVD and really only serve as plot devices.
Unless Grayson was not wearing the ring the night of the crash - he was planning on leaving town so he probably left the ring for Jeremy - but John had the ring so John may have known about the reasons WHY they were leaving town. So did John know the reasons why they were leaving town? And, could they have been going to see these family friends in DENVER? We have not been told much about these friends other then Elena trusted them enough to send Jer. to stay with them.
ReplyDeleteI was thinking too that Grayson might not have been wearing the ring. If the family friends in Denver were a threat, I'm pretty sure we would have found out a long time ago. I think that little tidbit was just something the writers came up with when the story led to Jeremy having to leave town.
ReplyDeleteKai would be their strongest ally.
ReplyDeleteIf it's true, I think Mama Salvatore didn't want to cause the accident. She could be trying to get in touch with Stefan and Damon that night, and the car sundelly appeared.
ReplyDeleteOr maybe she believed Elena was Katherine! LOL That would be tragic.
Yeah not with JP at the helm, I think she is the biggest Delena shipper of them all.
ReplyDeleteI think caroline is a bigger delena shipper than she is!
ReplyDelete"This one was me." *tosses file into trash*
ReplyDeleteHaha, casual dismissal of murder. Good one, TVD. I hope you keep it up.