Gahhhh!!! IS IT THURSDAY YET????? Why is this taking Sooo long!! It's even better when there's moving pictures! Instead of the stills of this clip that I had to stare at all week!
After two weeks of unnecessary delena kiss & hook up,this week we get steroline kiss.I'm real ashamed to continue to watch this show as a 26 y old guy.
well tptb don't let their ships stay happy for too long so I'm hoping there's a be a big punchline by season end. in fact I think I'm gonna record the rest of the season and watch it in a single marathon instead of being disappointed on a weekly basis by this awful season.
As long as this relationship doesn't take center stage and is served out slowly in small doses spread throughout, I am okay with it. Let's hope they don't make it left, right and center like Damon/Elena.
Stefan really doesn't have that middle stage, he goes from one extreme to an other. Either he is a ripper or he drinks bunnies, either he is an ass or the best (boy/toy)friend ever. P.S. Where can I buy those biceps and smile?
They'll probably go pretty heavy with this through the next couple of episodes until Caroline loses it and goes off the rails just like they did with Elena before Jeremy died.
I still think this season has been much better than season 5B.Only thing i want to go aay from this season is Delena & Steroline.I can't take them anymore!
Because two people have NEVER connected during an emotional time on this show before. Except Delena, Klaroline, Forwood, Bamon and pretty much every single ship that has ever existed on this show.
You're really expecting us to believe that kissing someone for the first time whom you have loved for a long time secretly is okay on the day your mother dies?!? Unbelievable!
I'm not bugged by Delena or Steroline in the big picture, but if they should interact much more with the other characters. Stefan and Caroline barely interacted with anyone else and it starts to get a bit to much.
For Delena on the other hand this slightly more adult approach is making them much more tolerable. And as far as they don't start that push and go again I'm fine with them getting focus.
That would be relevant if she knew her mother was going to die on that very day. People seek a connection during times of trouble. They look for whatever happiness they can get. That doesn't make the happiness less significant just because it wasn't made during a time of complete peace.
Yes her mother is dying, but she can't do anything about that. What she can do is find the little things that bring her happiness, like a tiny bike that reminds her of a happy memory with her mother. Or spending time with a guy she's in love with because his mere presence makes her feel better.
There is just one amount of heartbreaking goodbye scenes and let's share moments two characters can have, except for Delena. Making L&C spend the whole ep together would be to pushy as well.
Not a real fan of them going at it in this ep but not huge drama either.
Which is the most disguesting way to make a ship happen. Caroline Dries actually said Caroline won't be thinking of romance now her mom is dying but this is exactly what she is thinking about
This is Stefan and Caroline's personal story line right now. They've done it a lot on TVD and I haven't heard half as much crap for the other times as I have with these two.
Well,won't it more appropriate to spent some time,final moments with your mother instead to seeking comfort in your lover? The lover isn't going anywhere,her mother is.
umm no, when Bill died they let Caroline be there for him. they made it about those two and not some ship. It wasn't pushy it was beautiful and still remains as Candice's best work on the show and again Stefan is in every caroline scene if this isn't pushy and forced than I have no idea what is
well this season hasn't been much different than 5B. Delena, Steroline, and Enzo being pathetic. pretty much sums both up. only difference is Gemini is better than Markos and the Travelers
They're preparing a cabin for her mother. I imagine the "spending time with her" part comes when the cabin is ready and she gets to spend her final days with her mom.
Oh for crying out loud. Did someone named Steroline kick your pet or something? I can understand not liking something, I personally don't like Delena, but there's a difference between not liking something and hating it. You seem to hate the very idea of them.
because its annoying when Stefan is reduced from a main character to a love interest for Caroline. he has done absolutely nothing all season except follow her around like a puppy.
I don't give them crap and no matter how much I love them together, they need some scenes with other characters. Elena and Caroline didn't had a real moment since we know about Liz and Stefan had just that one bashing with Enzo.
That's what i'm saying.This glioblastoma thingy is a severely aggresive tumor,caroline made it worse unknowingly.She shouldn't take chances.This is perfect ship-baiting.Making moony eyes at each other & giggling while we know her mom is dying.It's insensitive to the non-ship fandom coz even though caroline doesn't know that her mom is dying at that moment,the writers definitely do.But they went to pick that very moment to push this couple of all times.Even delena isn't this much forced-can't believe i'm saying this.
Bill's death was sudden, out of nowhere. Caroline for now had already 2-3 emotional scenes with Liz. Caroline and Liz will have their big goodbye but it would be to much if this whole episode would be about that.
He has been there for someone he loves. And how is he REDUCED by being in love with Caroline? She's an awesome girl. Stefan has been happier this season than he's been in the previous three. I know people are used to Stefan being the show's emotional punching bag, but he deserves happiness too. He is not "reduced" by being happy.
I hate the idea that they are killing her mother to make this ship happen, I hate that they pretty much cut Caroline from any other character interactions but Stefan and I hate that they promised us a non romantic storyline for Caroline but it ended to be all about romance
You really have zero understanding of how actual humans work. And just to make something clear, there has been one HUGELY idiotic assumption that they are only killing Liz to setup Steroline. I mean, they couldn't have possibly more than one reason to kill Liz, right?
You're stating things as if you know what the writers are thinking and then basing your opinions around your assumptions.
I disagree it her mother how can it be too much? And I am not saying to make the whole episode about it but Caroline's scences which are only 3-5min I don't see how this is pushy in any way
It doesn't take a genius or rocket science to see how this idiotic show-runners julie & caroline work.Their almost every move is predictable.The storylines are copy paste from Buffy and Angel.
Did people completely miss the part where Enzo has spent this ENTIRE season making plans to ruin Stefan's life? I might be crazy, but I'm thinking all of that buildup is going to create an actual story line for Stefan in later episodes.
Why are you even watching? You seem to be complaining about pretty much everything. Are you just one of those people who keep watching just so they can have something to complain about later?
Yeah it will lead to them being together. Funnily enough, A LOT of things over the years have lead to them being together that have ZERO connection to Liz's cancer. That doesn't mean it's the only reason for Liz's cancer. That's all in your head, and you're projecting.
You mean besides Stefan being the sole purpose of every single thing Enzo has done this season? The fact that he followed Stefan to discover what he was hiding? That he took control of Matt in order to help him ruin Stefan's life?
Every single thing he's done has been about Stefan. But Stefan has bigger things to worry about than Enzo, like being there for Caroline, which is what a good person does. I'm positive that Stefan is going to get more involved soon. Stefan and Enzo have their own shared story line, it just hasn't required his attention yet.
Oh the hypocrisy! Not a single one of those people, besides Bonnie because she's alone, has had their own story line this season. They've all had shared story lines with other people. Hell, most of them have had shared story lines with their ships.
Well,that's the first time i'm agreeing with you.I really think stefan will get more involved once he knows that enzo has made his move on sarah. Don't get me wrong-i used to love steroline so much as BFFs that it's very painful for me to see them this way.
Did I say that? Please point to the part where I said you're wrong for having that opinion. Disagreeing with you does not mean someone thinks you don't have the right to your opinion. Grow up.
Paul Wesley has been pushing this ship since Season 5 for some reason. He might have made it a condition of his staying beyond Season 6. There's nothing anyone can do if an actor is kicking up a fuss and saying his character is mistreated. But the ship is all he's getting. Stefan is now a liar and possible sociopath. Whatever makes Paul Wesley happy so that people still have jobs.
He said he still loves them which could mean that previous storylines and moments lead him to fall in love with the character and make him still hold into that love
You mean the logic of someone who isn't distilling an entire story line into their own myopic viewpoint where the only logical explanation for the events that have occurred are the ones they make up in their head.
You really think anyone on the CW actually cares about what anyone thinks besides ian. They made enzo a series regular just coz ian threatened to walk out of this show.
I state my opinion. Vigorously. And if I think someone is being unreasonable then I make that clear, then explain my point of view as to why I think they're being unreasonable.
I don't mind the Stefan and Caroline relationship at all but I am in agreement with others here about their story lines. It's like they are both completely isolated from the main arc (Kai and the Gemini coven) of the season. Okay, we can excuse Caroline. Her story line with her dying mother is an emotional journey for her and it adds more depth to her character (so I am okay with it).
But what about Stefan? Has Stefan even had one scene with Kai? Why isn't his character being used in the main story line? It's like he has been punted to the side. Why can't the show keep him involved in the main story line and develop his relationship with Caroline on the side?
Speaking of story lines there's the matter of Enzo and his revenge which is the most useless, nonsensical story line ever and on top of it, it's moving at a snail's pace. And there is no guarantee that Stefan will even get involved in the Sarah Salvatore story line what with hints that Enzo will fall for her. If Enzo falls for her, he won't turn her into a vampire, she will be save and Stefan won't be needed.
One hope I have is the possible introduction of Mama Salvatore down the line. That could be a good opportunity for a solid story line centered around the brothers - i.e IF it's not completely monopolized by Damon.
Developing Steroline on the side has made this ship move so slow it's existed longer than every other ship on the show, besides Bamon, without anything actually happening.
When I say develop on the side, I did not mean 'never make it happen'. No. On the contrary, make it happen, make them a couple but do involve them in other story lines. What happened to the good olden days when everyone used to come together to figure out how and then work together to take down threats?
There is only so much time in each episode. It already feels like they're having to squeeze in the stuff they have right now. Adding Stefan to the main story right now probably wouldn't help.
Yeah...I'm sure the memory of Stefan being there for Caroline and doing everything possible to make her smile and be happy is going to be one terrible burden...
True, but I haven't seen any of the actors complain as much as Paul Wesley over the past couple of years.
You know, it occurred to me that the problem could also be the fact that Klaroline shippers are still an issue. Joseph Morgan seemed a little uncomfortable at SDCC answering yet another question about a Klaroline reunion. This could be the only way to make that stop. Damon and Elena have both reached a point in their character development where they can thrive as characters alone or with other people, but Stefan and Caroline might be getting rushed together to stop the Klaroline madness. It's dialed down a little since last summer, but there are shippers who are still angry and threatening and won't let it go.
Paul Wesley just spent the last three seasons as the writer's favorite emotional punching bag. The writers just refused to let him be happy. I can understand Paul's annoyance.
Ok - I know their are a lot of nasayers - But Stefan being Mr Fix It - OMG - he is really HOT!! And to see the look on Caroline's face - I mean Caroline is never speechless - she could barely breath. I really can't remember when Stefan looked so Hot. Talk about sexual tension...I am with Caroline - she needs to go for it.
Enzo is supposed to fall in lust, not love, so I doubt he'll change his mind about anything. I know there are rumors about Mama Salvatore, but I'm pretty sure we'll just see her in flashback when we see Damon as he was sometime in the 1850s. He's supposed to comfort Caroline at the funeral by telling her about what he went through when his mother died. As far as I know, there's been nothing concrete about Stefan and Damon's mother beyond that short story.
Wow, I love their chemistry! They are really starting to grow on me. But too much is being revealed for this episode. I feel like I already know what to expect on Thursday.
Interesting that Caroline pulls out her childhood bike, since the writers have made her the village bicycle of the show. What's that called an allusion?
If these two can end up and stay BF's, this will be the most satisfying relationship of the series for me.
Where are you getting all this information? The way you speak about some of the actors and the writers of the show make them sound very unprofessional and juvenile.
Am I really to believe that the CW, Executive Producers and writers rearrange entire plotlines of their shows based on the annoying tweets of a few hundred fans? Or the petulant whining of a very well paid (contracted) tv star?
I actually find him very attractive in this clip. I've never found Stefan "hot" in this entire series. But in this clip, ohhhh yeahh. So that's saying something. That's saying a lot. I don't blame her for being caught off guard.
Not anymore than any other relationship on this show. Plus unlike the vast majority, there's an nice foundation, not massive OOC stuff or plot contrivance, and you know I don't want to tear my face off.
I actually don't think I was being subtle about it at all. Caroline is a character that I actually love, when she's not being used a romantic plot device and completely defined by the relationships she is in.
I prefer Stefan & Caroline to remain friends because despite everyone trying to convince me that this has been brewing since season 2, it still feels like Marge simpsons trying to pair everyone up. (wish I could find the clip of what I'm talking about)
Regardless, Steroline would be (marginally) easier for me to accept, if she hadn't already been through Matt, Damon, Tyler & Klaus. YMMV.
I do and will cast shade on the show and the writers, but I don't hate on anyone for being excited that they're getting together. To each their own.
Well Paul was clear that he did NOT want to play a character thats perpetually pinning over a girl who dumped him and is in love with his brother !! HE clearly said in an interview that its not sexy at all and stefan needs to move on. And he's bloody right. No one wants to see him brood over elena for one more season !! he needs to find his soulmate now that elena has found hers. And yes he's pushing for Steroline coz he knows that if anyone can top Stelena its Steroline !!! GO PAUL WESLY CAPTAIN OF OUR SHIP !
well lets see - stefan has the option of either spending time with his best friend who he has romantic feelings for, who is going through the worst time of her life and has no one else right now for comfort coz everyones busy, OR he can hang out with his ex-girl friend who is reconnecting with her love who happens to be his brother...hmmmm....what a difficult choice !
Caroline dries confirmed it herself in an interview last year.They were planning on getting rid off the character but ian threatened to walk out.So,they invented this whole ghost enzo track and later resurrected him in the finale.Next thing we know,he's a series regular from the dead guy.How often does that happen on TVD?
EXACTLY! Like he'd have moments where i said, "Oh he's cute." But that was it. Never found him "sexy" or called him "sexy" through this entire serious. Now in this clip it's like, "Dayummm"
Sorry but if something has been set to happen in the writers room IT WOULD HAPPEN regardless of the storyline and steroline was bound to happen so it's happening. You may not like the storyline but it doesn't change the fact that writers decided to pair them up long ago and discussed to find a storyline.
OMG all the steroline hate. Guys seriously..its happening...give it a chance..maybe u will actually enjoy it! yeah its messy with liz dying n all..but guess what ? Lifes messy and nothing is perfectly timed. so yeah get over it !
hmmmm... i hope stefan says something to mk it clear-ish that he wants to kiss her/be with her?? i dunnoo.. zoo many scenarios running through my mind right now ! !
I never thought of it this way.You're right.This might be the creatives way for putting stop to the klaroliners expectations for their couple by rushing steroline as a romantic couple.
Hahaha, idk about all that. But for me it has to do with his personality change. For him to loosen up and naturally flirt with her is refreshing. I'm always concentrating on his eyes. The way he looks at her is so intense and says so much. (meant to be) I've always been attracted to eyes. When guys stare with an intense glare, it's so hot. Especially if they have different colored eyes. And with his big green eyes, it's blush worthy. lol
The actress playing mama salvatore tweeted a pic that she is shooting for episode 17 currently.The director of this episode joshua butler tweeted that he shot a very secret scene with her.It's lt's already revealed in episode 16 synopsis that she will appear in FBs.TVD doesn't do FB for the same character(s) in two back to back episodes.So,if that doesn't reveal that she will appearing in present time,i don't know what will.It's clear as a daylight.
Stefan's been through Elena, Katherine, Rebekah, and countless women in the past. Every character on this show has had romantic partners. Giving Caroline that shit is ridiculous. Besides Damon and Klaus (one of which was really rapey) those were all committed relationships. While I don't think she's defined by romantic relationships (Elena) or a plot device (that's Bonnie, seriously until this season that was her only real use), shaming her is ridiculous. If you're shaming her you have to shame everyone else on this show as well for that.
Let's see - Stefan: Elena, Rebecca, Katherine, Ivy.
And don't get me started on the "village bicycle" implications - Caroline has been shown to be pretty active in her sexual conquests, so why not call her "village rider"?
Ook I've seen the vampire diaries and have no clue why people are head over heals for this shit, but I really, and my friends and family share my thoughts that it would be very much appreciated if people came up with a sequel to guardians of ga'hoole, but this time make it longer, and try to make it go accordingly to the books, thanks ~angie
-Elena: Matt, Stefan, Damon. Liam. -Jeremy: Vicki, Anna, Sarah/Monique, some other college chicks. Bonnie. -Matt: Elena, Rebekah, Caroline, Nadia -Stefan: Katherine, Rebekah, Elena, The Playboy twins, other girls in his past, Ivy, the girls he played Twister and Suck with in his house. -Tyler: Vicki, Caroline, Kelly Donovan, flirtation with Hayley while being with Caroline, Liv. -Katherine: Stefan, Damon, Mason, Elijah, Klaus, Trevor, security guard. -Rebekah: Damon, Stefan, Matt. -Damon: Katherine, Elena, Rebekah, Kelly Donovan(made out), Flirtation with Carol, Isobel, Caroline, Sage, Scary Mary, Rose, The Tri delts, Bree, Andi, Lexi, Charlotte. -Klaus: Hayley, Caroline. (Both hit it and quit it). Katherine. -Caroline: Tyler, Klaus. Matt. (People assumed she slept with Matt, but never confirmed, can't really count him being in a sexual relationship, and their relationship was so short) I wouldn't count Jessie either, b/c they had one kiss, that HE pushed, not the other way around. And they didn't even go on a date. -Alaric: Isobel, Jenna, Meredith, Jo.
-Yeahhh, Caroline should be the only one singled out. (Rolls eyes).
The ONLY one that you can say is "innocent" with a sexual partner or a partner in general is Bonnie. Since she's only had ONE. And b/c she's only had one, she's "not getting enough male attention." So if she had another relationship, or another relationship after that, would that make her a "slut" as well? Or would that just make her a "tease" b/c she didn't "go there" with any of them??? Yeah exactly, the Steroline hate is F*cking ridiculous. Get off it. Smh.
Hells yeaaah !! I hope so anyways.. I think after this episode, for the next few we won't get ANY steroline romance with Caroline all broken about her mom and all.. which is ok i guess, as long as they don't fizzle them out...
But she doesn't know that her mom will die that day. She goes to prep the cabin for her mom to live out her last DAYS - DAYS -DAYS PLURAL ! and she clearly did not ask stefan to come along - looks like she gave him a clean out as well with - u don't have to be here ... stefan is the one who wants to stay. So just stop bashing caroline. Like no TV show has portrayed 2 people being swept up in the moment inspite of all the craziness surrounding them.. seriously !! seriously !!
Sorry,no matter what-i'll say this,i have always loved steroline as BFFs and nothing more.Any kind of romantic involvement between them absurd IMO.Let's leave it at that.You keep loving them,let me keep my opinion.Peace out.
I guess the next arc will be about stefan helping her through the struggle of losing her mom and being an orphan all of a sudden.I love caroline no matter what and i really feel sad for her!No one should have to go through this kind of ordeal.
well somebody has to help her through it. To be honest i don't think she feels that close to Elena anymore. Especially after season 5 when Elena killed Jesse and she said - the elena i used to know would have given him a chance. I feel that was the point where she realized that the elena she used to be best friends with is gone and ever since then they have drifted apart. Even in season 6 when caroline told elena - i guess I'm just lonely and Elena replied, Well I'm here, caroline just said yeah and walked off....
Who else is left ? Bonnie is in some twilight zone, Alaric and Caroline were never friends, Damon and caroline don' t get along and Caroline hates Damon. SO yeah it falls on Stefan and it would be weird for him NOT to be there for her !
It's also kinda strange enzo has no clue what's going on in her life.He's so wrapped up in this pointless and lame revengenda that he has lost all sense of logic!
Actually yeah that really bugs me ! I mean enzo-caroline-stefan love triangle would have made more sense than enzo's current stefan obsession... is he secretly in love with stefan or something ? i just don't get him AT ALL !! My God I hope they kill him this season.. U know maybe the writers are screwing him on purpose coz they got 'blackmailed' into keeping him.. hehehe
I would be happy if it turns out he's secretly gay or something at this point.This revenge plot stopped making any sense long ago.I really like michael malarkey but i feel really bad for him.No one gets this level of crap storyline as a series regular.I love enzo but unless the writers bring him back into the fold with damon and caroline to some extent,he shouldn't continue next season.I don't think i have any more patience left for his evil plan!
I know!!!. Now every time he opens his mouth I'm like SHUT UP!! Get a life! Leave Mystic Falls n start fresh . Or stay n behave!! U know be friends with Caroline n Damon... Anything BUT this...
im not sure about caroline going off the rails like Elena..how many times are they going to pull the no emotions card on us ??? they've done it with stefan, elena, enzo, damon (kinda)...now caroline too ? Hmmpphh
Agree! I wanted him to stay so bad but at this point his SL is just stupid. They should have let him be a recurring character who shows up from time to time to be awesome.. instead of wasting Michael like that..
I could not agree more - Stefan is the hero - he is at his best when he is helping someone and feeling appreciated - it was the same with Elena - her parents died and he stepped in to help Elena get through it - and yes they formed a romantic attraction. I see a lot of similarities between Stefan / Caroline and their budding relationship only difference is that they were friends first - which I believe is a stronger foundation for them to build off of. I have never seen Stefan so happy and having so much fun. When Stefan was with Elena he was mysterious and conflicted with his blood issues - but he is now free from letting his blood control him - and he is Happy.
I don't get why people are always complaining about this. Buffy and Angel were awesome shows so In my opinion there is nothing wrong with taking some ideas from them. There are like 100 Hospital or CSI shows out there. I'm pretty sure they sometimes have the same storys too. So why can't some supernatural shows have similar storylines? I see that as a compliment towards Buffy and Angel
that's cool, i like Angel better actually because the humans on the show could actually handle their own in a fight, Gunn, Wesley, Cordelia, Fred and Connor while on Buffy the humans didn't know how to fight
I honestly can't tell if I like Angel or Buffy better. I love both shows. You're right about the humans on Angel! What I love about Angel is (among other things) that they constantly changed the dynamic of the characters because the gang always changed.
Honestly this is far more realistic than Stelena beginnings. Steroline began with friendship. It makes sense for Stefan to be her rock and help her through this. One has to account for the fact that Steroline has been on the cards before the Sherif's cancer angle, hence one can reasonably assume that stefan did have feelings for Caroline, which resurfaced when they started spending a lot of time together.
As for Stelena, Stefan was basically a stranger who Elena let into her life and who she fell in love with and yada yada. Its just like u said, him being all mysterious and broody made it all intriguing and the whole of vampire who struggles with blood lust in love with a human was all oh so romantic. But that fizzled out and its not coming back
This here - 2 best friends falling in love with each other - this is as close to reality as it gets.
Oh, ok. With Salvatores coming out of the woodworks, it looks like the story will concentrate on the family for a while. I'm interested in learning more about Stefan and Damon's mother. Nobody ever talked about her. I wonder if she'll be a villain or just a vampire who disrupts the group dynamic. She might not approve of one of her sons' girlfriends. Should be interesting.
After again viewing the clip and dissecting it second by second I have this to say about the 3 kind of stefan smiles in this clip -- 1. in the beginning he seemed flattered that she was checking him out, hence the sexy smirk. Which i find very amusing (and refreshing) as its been a while since we saw such a 'naughty', flirty side. 2. then came that smile of his when caroline was telling him about the bike - it was sooooo i donno the word for it... DREAMY i think? yeah I'm going with dreamy. It lingered on and is eyes, the way he dint take his eyes off her for a millisecond, trying to catch every word, every expression.. priceless 3. and the smile at the end was all - this is where i belong...like he was content and totally in ZEN mode.... sigh ! !
I really think you're missing my point. It's not just about the number of people a character has been paired with (though she's been with the most) it's why. I could go season by season and breakdown Carolines role on the show but this is probably not the right place for me to write an essay on "The poor sexual and romantic choices and decisions written for the TVD's Caroline", and I think even if I did, I'm not likely going to convince you that her "hook ups" haven't been a natural progression of the character, and have purely been about moving the plot forward (except maybe Tyler).
But think about why she was with Damon. Was that about her or about Elena? Why was she with Matt? This actually was a bit about her, but also with shades of Elena. Tyler - This one I'll give her mostly Klaus - Plot, Plot, Plot Stefan - ??? - You already know why I think they are getting together, and I know you disagree.
I wanna say I don't think you are looking at this objectively, but I suppose it's just that you don't agree with me. And that's fine. We dont have to all agree to get along.
You think I need to shame everyone else on this show because I'm shaming Caroline (actually I'm shaming the writers) but no other character has been treated this way. So while I agree that Bonnie has been a deus ex machina for most of her run, and that once they resolved the love triangle Stefan has kinda been aimless on the show, those are completely different issues from the one I have with Caroline.
That's horrible. It's a little scary to think on a less than top 100 show, an actor with a less than stellar filmography and not a ton of prospects post his teen vamp drama could have so much power. Sad times.
1St stare - Flattered/flirtation 2nd stare - Think the word you're searching for is adoring. He was in awe of her. 3rd stare - reassurance/confirmation
I would love to see this Italian family in action. I'm not trying to be racist or anything, I'm actually part Italian myself. Some of my older relatives act like they think they're the mob, putting family first in every situation.
I agree with half of this. (And I had to make a comment below, b/c I'm so over this lame ass excuse. and they haven't even shared a kiss yet.). There were similarites with Stefan and Elena. When it came to the three of them. But there's A LOT MORE differences with Stefan and Caroline, for the better.
I agree that those all have plot driving points and some forcedness. But is every romance. Stelena, Delena, even Bonnie and Jeremy all drive the point and are forced in a variety of ways. That's every relationship on this show. That's why I can't stand basically any romance on this show. At least with these two there's chemistry and a emotional foundation there that can explain it. I guess my problem with your argument is just giving Caroline that crap, yet every other character suffers similar effects.
How about Tyler or Matt? Tyler was the love of her life (Caroline said this a lot) and Matt was there for her when her father died, I don't see why he can't be there to support her now.
The ship stelena has sailed a long time ago but i agree with all points regarding steroline.This romance will only end in a disaster heartbreak on caroline's side and in the process,will destroy one of the most beautiful friendship on this series.I could care less who stefan ends up with,i just don't want caroline to go through another tragedy.
The triangle is never dead. I wouldn't put my money on Stelena being over for good. Because I don't see DE going on for another season. They are already clumsy and awkward and Damon seems to really like the person Bonnie sees in him. In every conversation Elena is trying so hard to keep the focus on her, but he's always turning it back to Bonnie. I wouldn't say DE are safe and SE have sailed. Never say never.
Even though i think/know Delena is Endgame couple,i still think they are dropping plenty of hints towards elena being human again.In her conversation with damon,kai telling her-seems telling.Who knows,may be it will make her character a little more tolerable!
she said this about the triangle if I remember correctly. They already alluded at the cure. And to me it's clear that Elena is kinda being pushed in the background by the male leads. Bonnie and Caroline are much more vital to Damon and Caroline's narrative than Elena. And Elena is the lead! Turning her back human, would give them the opportunity to reboot Elena. Much more like the memory swipe did.
If Ian/Nina quits after season 6,then no.Otherwise,yes. No way the writers are sending away the hardcore delena fandom viewers(the one still left) by making stelena couple again.Besides,julie & caroline are obsessed with delena.No way stefan gets this one.
So should we just agree to disagree? Or do you want to further discuss this. I can try again to prove my point, but I'm also just as willing to let it go.
I just feel like the general audience is over them and the writers are too (they might not admit it, but the writing got so sloppy for them). Maybe I'm just hoping that DE will not make it. It would suck for Caroline though. Sigh, I don't care about the SC/DE flagships, as long as Caroline doesn't get hurt or sent over to TO.
OH God if its going to be a Caroline-Stefan-Elena-Damon Love Rectangle then its going to be a bloody disaster ! ! ! I can't watch ! !
If Elena becomes human the different possible scenarios include: - She still chooses damon - She is confused between damon and stefan, in which case: - Damon continues to fight the good fight (most likely); or - Damon gives her space to make her decision; or - Damon dumps her ass
- Stefan already fallen in love with Caroline will choose to stay with Caroline; or - Stefan will go back to Elena; or - Stefan will be torn between Elena and Caroline (if this be the case Caroline should walk off and never look back, coz honey u deserve better than an indecisive man)
- Elena chooses Stefan - Stefan's options are listed above.
The only person I would care/worry about would be Caroline. Coz i really do think she deserves to be happy and find true love. So yeah, now that Steroline is happening, it better be endgame.
Actually i like caroline so much,i am not completely against the idea of her going to TO.I liked klaroline way more than this steroline romance,can't believe i'm saying this.I feel like they had more chemistry even though that ship doesn't sense even more!
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Well,they're going full throttle with this ship,aren't they?
ReplyDeleteGahhhh!!! IS IT THURSDAY YET????? Why is this taking Sooo long!! It's even better when there's moving pictures! Instead of the stills of this clip that I had to stare at all week!
ReplyDeleteThe timing is do uncalled for. Her mother is dying in this episode, she should be with her and not making eyes at stefan!
ReplyDeleteAfter two weeks of unnecessary delena kiss & hook up,this week we get steroline kiss.I'm real ashamed to continue to watch this show as a 26 y old guy.
ReplyDeleteCaroline went fishing there and got a bite.
ReplyDeletewell tptb don't let their ships stay happy for too long so I'm hoping there's a be a big punchline by season end. in fact I think I'm gonna record the rest of the season and watch it in a single marathon instead of being disappointed on a weekly basis by this awful season.
ReplyDeleteAs long as this relationship doesn't take center stage and is served out slowly in small doses spread throughout, I am okay with it. Let's hope they don't make it left, right and center like Damon/Elena.
ReplyDeleteStefan really doesn't have that middle stage, he goes from one extreme to an other. Either he is a ripper or he drinks bunnies, either he is an ass or the best (boy/toy)friend ever.
ReplyDeleteP.S. Where can I buy those biceps and smile?
They'll probably go pretty heavy with this through the next couple of episodes until Caroline loses it and goes off the rails just like they did with Elena before Jeremy died.
ReplyDeleteYep...it's been building up since the second season, but WOW are they rushing it.
ReplyDeleteI still think this season has been much better than season 5B.Only thing i want to go aay from this season is Delena & Steroline.I can't take them anymore!
ReplyDeleteBecause two people have NEVER connected during an emotional time on this show before. Except Delena, Klaroline, Forwood, Bamon and pretty much every single ship that has ever existed on this show.
ReplyDeleteThey are prepping the cabin for Liz to spend her last days at. Of course she doesn't know her mom will die by the time the separate lips.
ReplyDeleteYou're really expecting us to believe that kissing someone for the first time whom you have loved for a long time secretly is okay on the day your mother dies?!?
ReplyDeleteUnbelievable!
I don't know how we haven't solved time travel yet. How hard could it be?
ReplyDeleteBut the writers do and instead of having Liz/Caroline scences they are forcing Steroline
ReplyDeleteThe timing is great.Mother dies-kiss.What next-Hookup during the funeral!
ReplyDeleteI'm not bugged by Delena or Steroline in the big picture, but if they should interact much more with the other characters. Stefan and Caroline barely interacted with anyone else and it starts to get a bit to much.
ReplyDeleteFor Delena on the other hand this slightly more adult approach is making them much more tolerable. And as far as they don't start that push and go again I'm fine with them getting focus.
Exactly.The only reason they're making her die is to prop up this nonsensical couple!
ReplyDeleteWell yeah. They have to build it up as much as possible so they can knock it down when Liz dies.
ReplyDeletenahh first some drama after her mom dies and then in the finale they become a couple. Liz/Caroline had only 2!! scences that did not include Stefan
ReplyDeleteThat would be relevant if she knew her mother was going to die on that very day. People seek a connection during times of trouble. They look for whatever happiness they can get. That doesn't make the happiness less significant just because it wasn't made during a time of complete peace.
ReplyDeleteYes her mother is dying, but she can't do anything about that. What she can do is find the little things that bring her happiness, like a tiny bike that reminds her of a happy memory with her mother. Or spending time with a guy she's in love with because his mere presence makes her feel better.
Right??? Well since we can't jump forward, I guess I can just stay in a continuous time loop, watching this clip over and over til Thursday. lol
ReplyDeleteThere is just one amount of heartbreaking goodbye scenes and let's share moments two characters can have, except for Delena. Making L&C spend the whole ep together would be to pushy as well.
ReplyDeleteNot a real fan of them going at it in this ep but not huge drama either.
Buy jeremy's instead.they're much better!
ReplyDeleteWhich is the most disguesting way to make a ship happen. Caroline Dries actually said Caroline won't be thinking of romance now her mom is dying but this is exactly what she is thinking about
ReplyDeleteThis is Stefan and Caroline's personal story line right now. They've done it a lot on TVD and I haven't heard half as much crap for the other times as I have with these two.
ReplyDeleteWell,won't it more appropriate to spent some time,final moments with your mother instead to seeking comfort in your lover?
ReplyDeleteThe lover isn't going anywhere,her mother is.
Probably yes, but he somehow he looks like if you pinch him they will go flat. S's seem more suitable to his whole figure.
ReplyDeleteumm no, when Bill died they let Caroline be there for him. they made it about those two and not some ship. It wasn't pushy it was beautiful and still remains as Candice's best work on the show and again Stefan is in every caroline scene if this isn't pushy and forced than I have no idea what is
ReplyDeletewell this season hasn't been much different than 5B. Delena, Steroline, and Enzo being pathetic. pretty much sums both up. only difference is Gemini is better than Markos and the Travelers
ReplyDeleteLOL!
ReplyDeleteThey're preparing a cabin for her mother. I imagine the "spending time with her" part comes when the cabin is ready and she gets to spend her final days with her mom.
ReplyDeleteOh for crying out loud. Did someone named Steroline kick your pet or something? I can understand not liking something, I personally don't like Delena, but there's a difference between not liking something and hating it. You seem to hate the very idea of them.
ReplyDeletebecause its annoying when Stefan is reduced from a main character to a love interest for Caroline. he has done absolutely nothing all season except follow her around like a puppy.
ReplyDeleteI don't give them crap and no matter how much I love them together, they need some scenes with other characters. Elena and Caroline didn't had a real moment since we know about Liz and Stefan had just that one bashing with Enzo.
ReplyDeleteThat's what i'm saying.This glioblastoma thingy is a severely aggresive tumor,caroline made it worse unknowingly.She shouldn't take chances.This is perfect ship-baiting.Making moony eyes at each other & giggling while we know her mom is dying.It's insensitive to the non-ship fandom coz even though caroline doesn't know that her mom is dying at that moment,the writers definitely do.But they went to pick that very moment to push this couple of all times.Even delena isn't this much forced-can't believe i'm saying this.
ReplyDeleteBill's death was sudden, out of nowhere. Caroline for now had already 2-3 emotional scenes with Liz. Caroline and Liz will have their big goodbye but it would be to much if this whole episode would be about that.
ReplyDeleteHe has been there for someone he loves. And how is he REDUCED by being in love with Caroline? She's an awesome girl. Stefan has been happier this season than he's been in the previous three. I know people are used to Stefan being the show's emotional punching bag, but he deserves happiness too. He is not "reduced" by being happy.
ReplyDeleteSome of the earlier Bamon stuff & currently bonnie & kai is saving this show now!
ReplyDeleteI hate the idea that they are killing her mother to make this ship happen, I hate that they pretty much cut Caroline from any other character interactions but Stefan and I hate that they promised us a non romantic storyline for Caroline but it ended to be all about romance
ReplyDeleteBut where's his individual storyline?Other than being someone's love-interest?
ReplyDeleteYou really have zero understanding of how actual humans work. And just to make something clear, there has been one HUGELY idiotic assumption that they are only killing Liz to setup Steroline. I mean, they couldn't have possibly more than one reason to kill Liz, right?
ReplyDeleteYou're stating things as if you know what the writers are thinking and then basing your opinions around your assumptions.
I disagree it her mother how can it be too much? And I am not saying to make the whole episode about it but Caroline's scences which are only 3-5min I don't see how this is pushy in any way
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't take a genius or rocket science to see how this idiotic show-runners julie & caroline work.Their almost every move is predictable.The storylines are copy paste from Buffy and Angel.
ReplyDeleteDid people completely miss the part where Enzo has spent this ENTIRE season making plans to ruin Stefan's life? I might be crazy, but I'm thinking all of that buildup is going to create an actual story line for Stefan in later episodes.
ReplyDeleteBut that may just be me thinking rationally.
The only way that storyline can go is for to damon killing enzo.I don't see any stefan here.
ReplyDeleteCaroline Dries even said that the cancer storyline will lead Steroline together. The whole thing is only happening so they can become a thing
ReplyDeleteWhy are you even watching? You seem to be complaining about pretty much everything. Are you just one of those people who keep watching just so they can have something to complain about later?
ReplyDeleteI saw that A LOT with Gossip Girl.
this is technically Enzo's nonstory not Stefan's, Stefan isn't actually doing anything except not-killing Enzo. and in any case its a crap one
ReplyDeleteYeah it will lead to them being together. Funnily enough, A LOT of things over the years have lead to them being together that have ZERO connection to Liz's cancer. That doesn't mean it's the only reason for Liz's cancer. That's all in your head, and you're projecting.
ReplyDeleteCoz i still love Alaric,Damon & Caroline(Both of them Individually),bonnie,Jo & Kai.
ReplyDeletehuh? we are talking about how they will make them romantically happen and if it wasn't for Liz dying it would not happen and its not in my head.
ReplyDeleteSo if someone disagrees with not liking steroline romantically,that's false projection.It can't be our opinion just like yours?
ReplyDeletedon't argue with shipper logic
ReplyDeleteYou mean besides Stefan being the sole purpose of every single thing Enzo has done this season? The fact that he followed Stefan to discover what he was hiding? That he took control of Matt in order to help him ruin Stefan's life?
ReplyDeleteEvery single thing he's done has been about Stefan. But Stefan has bigger things to worry about than Enzo, like being there for Caroline, which is what a good person does. I'm positive that Stefan is going to get more involved soon. Stefan and Enzo have their own shared story line, it just hasn't required his attention yet.
Seems that way.
ReplyDeleteOh the hypocrisy! Not a single one of those people, besides Bonnie because she's alone, has had their own story line this season. They've all had shared story lines with other people. Hell, most of them have had shared story lines with their ships.
ReplyDeleteWell,that's the first time i'm agreeing with you.I really think stefan will get more involved once he knows that enzo has made his move on sarah.
ReplyDeleteDon't get me wrong-i used to love steroline so much as BFFs that it's very painful for me to see them this way.
Did I say that? Please point to the part where I said you're wrong for having that opinion. Disagreeing with you does not mean someone thinks you don't have the right to your opinion. Grow up.
ReplyDeletePaul Wesley has been pushing this ship since Season 5 for some reason. He might have made it a condition of his staying beyond Season 6. There's nothing anyone can do if an actor is kicking up a fuss and saying his character is mistreated. But the ship is all he's getting. Stefan is now a liar and possible sociopath. Whatever makes Paul Wesley happy so that people still have jobs.
ReplyDeleteHe said he still loves them which could mean that previous storylines and moments lead him to fall in love with the character and make him still hold into that love
ReplyDeleteStefan and Elijah are both Mr. Fix-its this week.
ReplyDeleteI never liked damon before this season.I've alays loved alaric,caroline & bonnie from the beginning of the series.
ReplyDeleteCan you please stop being so passive agressive?
ReplyDeleteYou mean the logic of someone who isn't distilling an entire story line into their own myopic viewpoint where the only logical explanation for the events that have occurred are the ones they make up in their head.
ReplyDeleteYeah...can't argue with that. -_-
Lets hope this house fairs better then the house Elijah was working on.
ReplyDeleteIf disagreeing with seems like this,i'm afraid to think of the person who've actually wronged you!
ReplyDeleteThis relationship might last longer than Delena. I don't care as long as the main character, my favorite character (Elena), isn't compromised by it.
ReplyDeletePassive aggressive? Uhh...I don't see how I'm avoiding confrontation by...confronting your views.
ReplyDeleteLMAO!
ReplyDeleteYou really think anyone on the CW actually cares about what anyone thinks besides ian.
ReplyDeleteThey made enzo a series regular just coz ian threatened to walk out of this show.
Haha one of the most truthful and honest and funny comments I've ever read 😄
ReplyDeleteI state my opinion. Vigorously. And if I think someone is being unreasonable then I make that clear, then explain my point of view as to why I think they're being unreasonable.
ReplyDeleteDoes that apply for you too?
ReplyDeleteHave we met before? because I agree with you 100%.
ReplyDeleteHow am I making this up in my head when the writers are even saying this and we are actually seeing this on screen?
ReplyDeleteAll my friends/colleagues make fun of me when they hear i'm still watching this show.It's really awkward!
ReplyDeleteYou're working under the very odd assumption that the writers have told you everything.
ReplyDeleteI don't mind the Stefan and Caroline relationship at all but I am in agreement with others here about their story lines. It's like they are both completely isolated from the main arc (Kai and the Gemini coven) of the season. Okay, we can excuse Caroline. Her story line with her dying mother is an
ReplyDeleteemotional journey for her and it adds more depth to her character (so I
am okay with it).
But what about Stefan? Has Stefan even had one scene with Kai? Why isn't his character being used in the main story line? It's like he has been punted to the side. Why can't the show keep him involved in the main story line and develop his relationship with Caroline on the side?
Speaking of story lines there's the matter of Enzo and his revenge which is the most useless, nonsensical story line ever and on top of it, it's moving at a snail's pace. And there is no guarantee that Stefan will even get involved in the Sarah Salvatore story line what with hints that Enzo will fall for her. If Enzo falls for her, he won't turn her into a vampire, she will be save and Stefan won't be needed.
One hope I have is the possible introduction of Mama Salvatore down the line. That could be a good opportunity for a solid story line centered around the brothers - i.e IF it's not completely monopolized by Damon.
Thoughts?
That Delena kiss in the rain scene happened because of Delena fans twitter spamming the producers to make it happen.
ReplyDeleteI don't understand the question. Does what apply to me too?
ReplyDeleteDeveloping Steroline on the side has made this ship move so slow it's existed longer than every other ship on the show, besides Bamon, without anything actually happening.
ReplyDeleteI meant,if someone thinks that your opinion is wrong,if you'd be receptive of the same behaviour from someone else you're prepared to give.
ReplyDeleteSame opinion here.See,we can agree with each other after all!
ReplyDeleteOf course. I'd always prefer brutal honesty. If I didn't want people to disagree with me, the internet would be the last place I would go.
ReplyDeleteAs long as Steroline isn't involved in the discussion yes.
ReplyDeleteSteroline always have the stigma of Liz's death.
ReplyDeleteWhen I say develop on the side, I did not mean 'never make it happen'. No. On the contrary, make it happen, make them a couple but do involve them in other story lines. What happened to the good olden days when everyone used to come together to figure out how and then work together to take down threats?
ReplyDeleteI'll keep that in mind next time.On steroline-We'll always agree to disagree from now on.
ReplyDeleteThere is only so much time in each episode. It already feels like they're having to squeeze in the stuff they have right now. Adding Stefan to the main story right now probably wouldn't help.
ReplyDeleteCouldn't have said it better my friend!
ReplyDeleteMake the cast lighter and story lines tighter. They need to kill off certain characters *coughcoughEnzoTylerAlaricMattcoughcough* .
ReplyDeleteYeah...I'm sure the memory of Stefan being there for Caroline and doing everything possible to make her smile and be happy is going to be one terrible burden...
ReplyDeleteI actually agree with all of those choices, but seeing as how we'll at best get an Enzo death, that doesn't fix the problem right now.
ReplyDeleteTrue, but I haven't seen any of the actors complain as much as Paul Wesley over the past couple of years.
ReplyDeleteYou know, it occurred to me that the problem could also be the fact that Klaroline shippers are still an issue. Joseph Morgan seemed a little uncomfortable at SDCC answering yet another question about a Klaroline reunion. This could be the only way to make that stop. Damon and Elena have both reached a point in their character development where they can thrive as characters alone or with other people, but Stefan and Caroline might be getting rushed together to stop the Klaroline madness. It's dialed down a little since last summer, but there are shippers who are still angry and threatening and won't let it go.
Paul Wesley just spent the last three seasons as the writer's favorite emotional punching bag. The writers just refused to let him be happy. I can understand Paul's annoyance.
ReplyDeleteI agree with all four of those character deaths. This show is getting to be like Heroes was. Too many people and not enough screen time.
ReplyDeleteHave you seen wedding crashers? According to Chad...yes it is! LOL
ReplyDeleteOk - I know their are a lot of nasayers - But Stefan being Mr Fix It - OMG - he is really HOT!! And to see the look on Caroline's face - I mean Caroline is never speechless - she could barely breath. I really can't remember when Stefan looked so Hot. Talk about sexual tension...I am with Caroline - she needs to go for it.
ReplyDeleteEnzo is supposed to fall in lust, not love, so I doubt he'll change his mind about anything. I know there are rumors about Mama Salvatore, but I'm pretty sure we'll just see her in flashback when we see Damon as he was sometime in the 1850s. He's supposed to comfort Caroline at the funeral by telling her about what he went through when his mother died. As far as I know, there's been nothing concrete about Stefan and Damon's mother beyond that short story.
ReplyDeleteWhy they are not together? I ship it!!! :) ♥
ReplyDeleteWow, I love their chemistry! They are really starting to grow on me. But too much is being revealed for this episode. I feel like I already know what to expect on Thursday.
ReplyDeleteInteresting that Caroline pulls out her childhood bike, since the writers have made her the village bicycle of the show. What's that called an allusion?
ReplyDeleteIf these two can end up and stay BF's, this will be the most satisfying relationship of the series for me.
LOL, maybe next season will be the last and you can put it to bed.
ReplyDeleteWhere are you getting all this information? The way you speak about some of the actors and the writers of the show make them sound very unprofessional and juvenile.
ReplyDeleteAm I really to believe that the CW, Executive Producers and writers rearrange entire plotlines of their shows based on the annoying tweets of a few hundred fans? Or the petulant whining of a very well paid (contracted) tv star?
Is this true? I don't believe this (about Ian).
ReplyDeleteGoogling now.
I actually find him very attractive in this clip. I've never found Stefan "hot" in this entire series. But in this clip, ohhhh yeahh. So that's saying something. That's saying a lot. I don't blame her for being caught off guard.
ReplyDeleteWow that felt like subtle slut shaming.
ReplyDeleteLove how vampires are using their flammable nature against villains now.
ReplyDeleteSo who wants to bet how it takes those two to do it?
ReplyDeleteNot anymore than any other relationship on this show. Plus unlike the vast majority, there's an nice foundation, not massive OOC stuff or plot contrivance, and you know I don't want to tear my face off.
ReplyDeleteI actually don't think I was being subtle about it at all. Caroline is a character that I actually love, when she's not being used a romantic plot device and completely defined by the relationships she is in.
ReplyDeleteI prefer Stefan & Caroline to remain friends because despite everyone trying to convince me that this has been brewing since season 2, it still feels like Marge simpsons trying to pair everyone up. (wish I could find the clip of what I'm talking about)
Regardless, Steroline would be (marginally) easier for me to accept, if she hadn't already been through Matt, Damon, Tyler & Klaus. YMMV.
I do and will cast shade on the show and the writers, but I don't hate on anyone for being excited that they're getting together. To each their own.
I wanna just got to sleep and wake up in time to each TVD !!!
ReplyDeleteWell Paul was clear that he did NOT want to play a character thats perpetually pinning over a girl who dumped him and is in love with his brother !! HE clearly said in an interview that its not sexy at all and stefan needs to move on. And he's bloody right. No one wants to see him brood over elena for one more season !! he needs to find his soulmate now that elena has found hers. And yes he's pushing for Steroline coz he knows that if anyone can top Stelena its Steroline !!! GO PAUL WESLY CAPTAIN OF OUR SHIP !
ReplyDeletePaul has every reason to complain. They made Ian the star attraction and Stefan the weak whiny girl ! C'mon !! Why shouldn't he complain ?
ReplyDeletewell lets see - stefan has the option of either spending time with his best friend who he has romantic feelings for, who is going through the worst time of her life and has no one else right now for comfort coz everyones busy, OR he can hang out with his ex-girl friend who is reconnecting with her love who happens to be his brother...hmmmm....what a difficult choice !
ReplyDeleteCaroline dries confirmed it herself in an interview last year.They were planning on getting rid off the character but ian threatened to walk out.So,they invented this whole ghost enzo track and later resurrected him in the finale.Next thing we know,he's a series regular from the dead guy.How often does that happen on TVD?
ReplyDeleteTHAT would be lovely!! Maybe i should bash my head against the wall and go through a 48 hr coma. lol
ReplyDeleteEXACTLY! Like he'd have moments where i said, "Oh he's cute." But that was it. Never found him "sexy" or called him "sexy" through this entire serious. Now in this clip it's like, "Dayummm"
ReplyDeleteit was like WOOOAAAHHHH where u been hiding u sexy beast !!! gaaahahahahhaa
ReplyDeletePREACH !! ! let the dude be happy for a change ! Everyone deserves happiness, why is he always the one to sacrifice and brood !
ReplyDeleteSorry but if something has been set to happen in the writers room IT WOULD HAPPEN regardless of the storyline and steroline was bound to happen so it's happening. You may not like the storyline but it doesn't change the fact that writers decided to pair them up long ago and discussed to find a storyline.
ReplyDeleteOMG all the steroline hate. Guys seriously..its happening...give it a chance..maybe u will actually enjoy it! yeah its messy with liz dying n all..but guess what ? Lifes messy and nothing is perfectly timed. so yeah get over it !
ReplyDeletehmmmm... i hope stefan says something to mk it clear-ish that he wants to kiss her/be with her?? i dunnoo.. zoo many scenarios running through my mind right now ! !
ReplyDeleteI never thought of it this way.You're right.This might be the creatives way for putting stop to the klaroliners expectations for their couple by rushing steroline as a romantic couple.
ReplyDeleteHahaha, idk about all that. But for me it has to do with his personality change. For him to loosen up and naturally flirt with her is refreshing. I'm always concentrating on his eyes. The way he looks at her is so intense and says so much. (meant to be) I've always been attracted to eyes. When guys stare with an intense glare, it's so hot. Especially if they have different colored eyes. And with his big green eyes, it's blush worthy. lol
ReplyDeleteDon't rule tyler out.He's also highly likely to die by the time season finale arrives.
ReplyDeleteThe actress playing mama salvatore tweeted a pic that she is shooting for episode 17 currently.The director of this episode joshua butler tweeted that he shot a very secret scene with her.It's lt's already revealed in episode 16 synopsis that she will appear in FBs.TVD doesn't do FB for the same character(s) in two back to back episodes.So,if that doesn't reveal that she will appearing in present time,i don't know what will.It's clear as a daylight.
ReplyDeleteStefan's been through Elena, Katherine, Rebekah, and countless women in the past. Every character on this show has had romantic partners. Giving Caroline that shit is ridiculous. Besides Damon and Klaus (one of which was really rapey) those were all committed relationships. While I don't think she's defined by romantic relationships (Elena) or a plot device (that's Bonnie, seriously until this season that was her only real use), shaming her is ridiculous. If you're shaming her you have to shame everyone else on this show as well for that.
ReplyDeleteok im gonna go die now ! see ya !
ReplyDeleteThat felt like straight up slut shaming.
ReplyDeleteLet's see - Stefan: Elena, Rebecca, Katherine, Ivy.
And don't get me started on the "village bicycle" implications - Caroline has been shown to be pretty active in her sexual conquests, so why not call her "village rider"?
That was a two for one.
Lol Just come back to life by Thursday. ; )
ReplyDeleteMy theories and dialog are always changing, I can't bring it down to one. Lol Maybe I'll have it figured out by Thursday, before the episode airs. = D
ReplyDeleteOok I've seen the vampire diaries and have no clue why people are head over heals for this shit, but I really, and my friends and family share my thoughts that it would be very much appreciated if people came up with a sequel to guardians of ga'hoole, but this time make it longer, and try to make it go accordingly to the books, thanks ~angie
ReplyDeleteYeah this series is becoming a bitter bore, not much improvement
ReplyDeleteYes, definitely stuff that will wake you up screaming at night...
ReplyDeleteLet's see. Top of my head.....
ReplyDelete-Elena: Matt, Stefan, Damon. Liam.
-Jeremy: Vicki, Anna, Sarah/Monique, some other college chicks. Bonnie.
-Matt: Elena, Rebekah, Caroline, Nadia
-Stefan: Katherine, Rebekah, Elena, The Playboy twins, other girls in his past, Ivy, the girls he played Twister and Suck with in his house.
-Tyler: Vicki, Caroline, Kelly Donovan, flirtation with Hayley while being with Caroline, Liv.
-Katherine: Stefan, Damon, Mason, Elijah, Klaus, Trevor, security guard.
-Rebekah: Damon, Stefan, Matt.
-Damon: Katherine, Elena, Rebekah, Kelly Donovan(made out), Flirtation with Carol, Isobel, Caroline, Sage, Scary Mary, Rose, The Tri delts, Bree, Andi, Lexi, Charlotte.
-Klaus: Hayley, Caroline. (Both hit it and quit it). Katherine.
-Caroline: Tyler, Klaus. Matt. (People assumed she slept with Matt, but never confirmed, can't really count him being in a sexual relationship, and their relationship was so short) I wouldn't count Jessie either, b/c they had one kiss, that HE pushed, not the other way around. And they didn't even go on a date.
-Alaric: Isobel, Jenna, Meredith, Jo.
-Yeahhh, Caroline should be the only one singled out. (Rolls eyes).
The ONLY one that you can say is "innocent" with a sexual partner or a partner in general is Bonnie. Since she's only had ONE. And b/c she's only had one, she's "not getting enough male attention." So if she had another relationship, or another relationship after that, would that make her a "slut" as well? Or would that just make her a "tease" b/c she didn't "go there" with any of them??? Yeah exactly, the Steroline hate is F*cking ridiculous. Get off it. Smh.
Hells yeaaah !! I hope so anyways.. I think after this episode, for the next few we won't get ANY steroline romance with Caroline all broken about her mom and all.. which is ok i guess, as long as they don't fizzle them out...
ReplyDeleteHere here. (Look below).
ReplyDeleteIts a 43 min show with way too many characters and multiple storylines so yeah, Liz and caroline had only two scenes ...
ReplyDeleteYeah caroline is getting scenes with other characters in episode 15. Stefan seems to not be around for that episode almost !
ReplyDeleteits like ppl are just throwing a temper tantrum just coz the show is going in a direction they are not OK with.
ReplyDeleteOMG if this is THE ONLY REASON to hate on steroline, then seriously, you guys need to take a breather and get over it already !
ReplyDeleteBut she doesn't know that her mom will die that day. She goes to prep the cabin for her mom to live out her last DAYS - DAYS -DAYS PLURAL ! and she clearly did not ask stefan to come along - looks like she gave him a clean out as well with - u don't have to be here ... stefan is the one who wants to stay. So just stop bashing caroline. Like no TV show has portrayed 2 people being swept up in the moment inspite of all the craziness surrounding them.. seriously !! seriously !!
ReplyDeleteUMM it was probably her mothers wish to spend her last days at the cabin. What was caroline to do? Say NO mom you can't go to the cabin?? C'mon !!!!
ReplyDeleteSorry,no matter what-i'll say this,i have always loved steroline as BFFs and nothing more.Any kind of romantic involvement between them absurd IMO.Let's leave it at that.You keep loving them,let me keep my opinion.Peace out.
ReplyDeleteI guess the next arc will be about stefan helping her through the struggle of losing her mom and being an orphan all of a sudden.I love caroline no matter what and i really feel sad for her!No one should have to go through this kind of ordeal.
ReplyDeletewell somebody has to help her through it. To be honest i don't think she feels that close to Elena anymore. Especially after season 5 when Elena killed Jesse and she said - the elena i used to know would have given him a chance. I feel that was the point where she realized that the elena she used to be best friends with is gone and ever since then they have drifted apart. Even in season 6 when caroline told elena - i guess I'm just lonely and Elena replied, Well I'm here, caroline just said yeah and walked off....
ReplyDeleteWho else is left ? Bonnie is in some twilight zone, Alaric and Caroline were never friends, Damon and caroline don' t get along and Caroline hates Damon. SO yeah it falls on Stefan and it would be weird for him NOT to be there for her !
It's also kinda strange enzo has no clue what's going on in her life.He's so wrapped up in this pointless and lame revengenda that he has lost all sense of logic!
ReplyDeleteCheck out this video. Omg! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V-i2o2o09U&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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KOKY!! This is for you, whenever you come on this thread. No worries, it's not long, just true and beautiful. Lol
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V-i2o2o09U&feature=youtube_gdata_player
AWWWWWWWWWWWWW. My feeeeeeeeeeeeels
ReplyDelete*dreamy sigh*
ReplyDeleteGORGEOUS ! ! ! !
ReplyDeleteActually yeah that really bugs me ! I mean enzo-caroline-stefan love triangle would have made more sense than enzo's current stefan obsession... is he secretly in love with stefan or something ? i just don't get him AT ALL !! My God I hope they kill him this season.. U know maybe the writers are screwing him on purpose coz they got 'blackmailed' into keeping him.. hehehe
ReplyDeleteSOULMATES FOR SURE ! ! !
ReplyDeleteI would be happy if it turns out he's secretly gay or something at this point.This revenge plot stopped making any sense long ago.I really like michael malarkey but i feel really bad for him.No one gets this level of crap storyline as a series regular.I love enzo but unless the writers bring him back into the fold with damon and caroline to some extent,he shouldn't continue next season.I don't think i have any more patience left for his evil plan!
ReplyDeleteI know!!!. Now every time he opens his mouth I'm like SHUT UP!! Get a life! Leave Mystic Falls n start fresh . Or stay n behave!! U know be friends with Caroline n Damon... Anything BUT this...
ReplyDeleteThat's beautiful *__*
ReplyDeleteim not sure about caroline going off the rails like Elena..how many times are they going to pull the no emotions card on us ??? they've done it with stefan, elena, enzo, damon (kinda)...now caroline too ? Hmmpphh
ReplyDeleteAgree! I wanted him to stay so bad but at this point his SL is just stupid. They should have let him be a recurring character who shows up from time to time to be awesome.. instead of wasting Michael like that..
ReplyDeleteU know maybe the writers are screwing him on purpose coz they got 'blackmailed' into keeping him.
ReplyDeleteWait, what?
I could not agree more - Stefan is the hero - he is at his best when he is helping someone and feeling appreciated - it was the same with Elena - her parents died and he stepped in to help Elena get through it - and yes they formed a romantic attraction. I see a lot of similarities between Stefan / Caroline and their budding relationship only difference is that they were friends first - which I believe is a stronger foundation for them to build off of. I have never seen Stefan so happy and having so much fun. When Stefan was with Elena he was mysterious and conflicted with his blood issues - but he is now free from letting his blood control him - and he is Happy.
ReplyDeleteI don't get why people are always complaining about this. Buffy and Angel were awesome shows so In my opinion there is nothing wrong with taking some ideas from them. There are like 100 Hospital or CSI shows out there. I'm pretty sure they sometimes have the same storys too. So why can't some supernatural shows have similar storylines? I see that as a compliment towards Buffy and Angel
ReplyDeleteyou watched Angel? i didn't think people even TALKED about Angel cool
ReplyDeleteoHHH LMAO! nice
ReplyDeleteit's cool right? ha!
ReplyDeleteLOL
ReplyDeletethat's cool, i like Angel better actually because the humans on the show could actually handle their own in a fight, Gunn, Wesley, Cordelia, Fred and Connor while on Buffy the humans didn't know how to fight
ReplyDeleteI honestly can't tell if I like Angel or Buffy better. I love both shows.
ReplyDeleteYou're right about the humans on Angel! What I love about Angel is (among other things) that they constantly changed the dynamic of the characters because the gang always changed.
Honestly this is far more realistic than Stelena beginnings. Steroline began with friendship. It makes sense for Stefan to be her rock and help her through this. One has to account for the fact that Steroline has been on the cards before the Sherif's cancer angle, hence one can reasonably assume that stefan did have feelings for Caroline, which resurfaced when they started spending a lot of time together.
ReplyDeleteAs for Stelena, Stefan was basically a stranger who Elena let into her life and who she fell in love with and yada yada. Its just like u said, him being all mysterious and broody made it all intriguing and the whole of vampire who struggles with blood lust in love with a human was all oh so romantic. But that fizzled out and its not coming back
This here - 2 best friends falling in love with each other - this is as close to reality as it gets.
Oh, ok. With Salvatores coming out of the woodworks, it looks like the story will concentrate on the family for a while. I'm interested in learning more about Stefan and Damon's mother. Nobody ever talked about her. I wonder if she'll be a villain or just a vampire who disrupts the group dynamic. She might not approve of one of her sons' girlfriends. Should be interesting.
ReplyDelete6x14 Web Clip STEFAN'S SMILES DISSERTATION:
ReplyDeleteAfter again viewing the clip and dissecting it second by second I have this to say about the 3 kind of stefan smiles in this clip --
1. in the beginning he seemed flattered that she was checking him out, hence the sexy smirk. Which i find very amusing (and refreshing) as its been a while since we saw such a 'naughty', flirty side.
2. then came that smile of his when caroline was telling him about the bike - it was sooooo i donno the word for it... DREAMY i think? yeah I'm going with dreamy. It lingered on and is eyes, the way he dint take his eyes off her for a millisecond, trying to catch every word, every expression.. priceless
3. and the smile at the end was all - this is where i belong...like he was content and totally in ZEN mode.... sigh ! !
STEROLINE YOU MAGIC !!!
I really think you're missing my point. It's not just about the number of people a character has been paired with (though she's been with the most) it's why. I could go season by season and breakdown Carolines role on the show but this is probably not the right place for me to write an essay on "The poor sexual and romantic choices and decisions written for the TVD's Caroline", and I think even if I did, I'm not likely going to convince you that her "hook ups" haven't been a natural progression of the character, and have purely been about moving the plot forward (except maybe Tyler).
ReplyDeleteBut think about why she was with Damon. Was that about her or about Elena?
Why was she with Matt? This actually was a bit about her, but also with shades of Elena.
Tyler - This one I'll give her mostly
Klaus - Plot, Plot, Plot
Stefan - ??? - You already know why I think they are getting together, and I know you disagree.
I wanna say I don't think you are looking at this objectively, but I suppose it's just that you don't agree with me. And that's fine. We dont have to all agree to get along.
You think I need to shame everyone else on this show because I'm shaming Caroline (actually I'm shaming the writers) but no other character has been treated this way. So while I agree that Bonnie has been a deus ex machina for most of her run, and that once they resolved the love triangle Stefan has kinda been aimless on the show, those are completely different issues from the one I have with Caroline.
That's horrible. It's a little scary to think on a less than top 100 show, an actor with a less than stellar filmography and not a ton of prospects post his teen vamp drama could have so much power. Sad times.
ReplyDeleteI bet she would be a handful and maybe more on the villainous side.
ReplyDelete1St stare - Flattered/flirtation
ReplyDelete2nd stare - Think the word you're searching for is adoring. He was in awe of her.
3rd stare - reassurance/confirmation
Sad times indeed my friend.
ReplyDeleteHahahaha.
ReplyDeleteI would love to see this Italian family in action. I'm not trying to be racist or anything, I'm actually part Italian myself. Some of my older relatives act like they think they're the mob, putting family first in every situation.
ReplyDeleteI agree with half of this. (And I had to make a comment below, b/c I'm so over this lame ass excuse. and they haven't even shared a kiss yet.). There were similarites with Stefan and Elena. When it came to the three of them. But there's A LOT MORE differences with Stefan and Caroline, for the better.
ReplyDeleteyeah yeah yeah adoring ! thank u !! i couldn't place the emotion, i was going all gaaahahaahaha
ReplyDeleteI agree that those all have plot driving points and some forcedness. But is every romance. Stelena, Delena, even Bonnie and Jeremy all drive the point and are forced in a variety of ways. That's every relationship on this show. That's why I can't stand basically any romance on this show. At least with these two there's chemistry and a emotional foundation there that can explain it. I guess my problem with your argument is just giving Caroline that crap, yet every other character suffers similar effects.
ReplyDeleteHow about Tyler or Matt? Tyler was the love of her life (Caroline said this a lot) and Matt was there for her when her father died, I don't see why he can't be there to support her now.
ReplyDeleteThe ship stelena has sailed a long time ago but i agree with all points regarding steroline.This romance will only end in a disaster heartbreak on caroline's side and in the process,will destroy one of the most beautiful friendship on this series.I could care less who stefan ends up with,i just don't want caroline to go through another tragedy.
ReplyDeleteThe triangle is never dead. I wouldn't put my money on Stelena being over for good. Because I don't see DE going on for another season. They are already clumsy and awkward and Damon seems to really like the person Bonnie sees in him. In every conversation Elena is trying so hard to keep the focus on her, but he's always turning it back to Bonnie. I wouldn't say DE are safe and SE have sailed. Never say never.
ReplyDeleteHe better be.Caroline deserves some happiness after all these time.
ReplyDeleteI'll personally stake him if he breaks her heart down the line!
Same here.Next in line is bonnie.
ReplyDeleteExactly!
ReplyDeleteEven though i think/know Delena is Endgame couple,i still think they are dropping plenty of hints towards elena being human again.In her conversation with damon,kai telling her-seems telling.Who knows,may be it will make her character a little more tolerable!
ReplyDeleteshe said this about the triangle if I remember correctly. They already alluded at the cure. And to me it's clear that Elena is kinda being pushed in the background by the male leads. Bonnie and Caroline are much more vital to Damon and Caroline's narrative than Elena. And Elena is the lead! Turning her back human, would give them the opportunity to reboot Elena. Much more like the memory swipe did.
ReplyDeleteIf Ian/Nina quits after season 6,then no.Otherwise,yes.
ReplyDeleteNo way the writers are sending away the hardcore delena fandom viewers(the one still left) by making stelena couple again.Besides,julie & caroline are obsessed with delena.No way stefan gets this one.
Agreed.
ReplyDeleteSo should we just agree to disagree? Or do you want to further discuss this. I can try again to prove my point, but I'm also just as willing to let it go.
ReplyDeleteI just feel like the general audience is over them and the writers are too (they might not admit it, but the writing got so sloppy for them). Maybe I'm just hoping that DE will not make it. It would suck for Caroline though.
ReplyDeleteSigh, I don't care about the SC/DE flagships, as long as Caroline doesn't get hurt or sent over to TO.
OH God if its going to be a Caroline-Stefan-Elena-Damon Love Rectangle then its going to be a bloody disaster ! ! ! I can't watch ! !
ReplyDeleteIf Elena becomes human the different possible scenarios include:
- She still chooses damon
- She is confused between damon and stefan, in which case:
- Damon continues to fight the good fight (most likely); or
- Damon gives her space to make her decision; or
- Damon dumps her ass
- Stefan already fallen in love with Caroline will choose to stay with Caroline; or
- Stefan will go back to Elena; or
- Stefan will be torn between Elena and Caroline (if this be the case Caroline should walk off and never look back, coz honey u deserve better than an indecisive man)
- Elena chooses Stefan - Stefan's options are listed above.
The only person I would care/worry about would be Caroline. Coz i really do think she deserves to be happy and find true love. So yeah, now that Steroline is happening, it better be endgame.
Actually i like caroline so much,i am not completely against the idea of her going to TO.I liked klaroline way more than this steroline romance,can't believe i'm saying this.I feel like they had more chemistry even though that ship doesn't sense even more!
ReplyDeleteTrue coz i can't even think of watching any other dreadful scenarios you mentioned!
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