Supernatural - Season 10 Episode 14 - The Gripe Review
21 Feb 2015
Reviews Supernatural The Gripe ReviewHi and welcome to the last Gripe Review before the mini hiatus.
For three weeks now, since the show returned in January, I complained about having to write reviews for episodes that I would sooner delete from my DVR than take apart for analysis. I kept wishing for something that was worth my time. My wish was granted this week.
This week’s episode was the best of the season, and one of the best of the recent years, not just because of how it grabbed Carver's camera and turned it to the right direction, but because of its atmosphere, tone and pace. After weeks of juvenile drama and Disney sideshows set to ill-suited Tailor Swift songs we're back to the essence of Supernatural. Dimly lit interiors splattered with blood and grime, ashen graveyards fenced by dead forests, creepy barns with devil's traps...it almost felt like season 4-5, and the script came close to the quality of those seasons too.
Before I dive into what I liked about The Executioner's Song, and what I thought needed improving, allow me to add a disclaimer. I'm not naive. I've watched enough of this show's post Kripke years to know that one good episode doesn't mean the show is back on track and going barrel first toward S1-5 excellence. I'm actually preparing myself for the disappointment I will inevitably face when it returns from its hiatus, perhaps not in the first episode, but undoubtedly in the second. I've gotten used to this tradition on the show. It always delivers at the openings and closings, yet sags in the middle.
But I can't help to hope this week's episode was course correction for the rest of the season. If they stick to it they have a gold mine to excavate, and a chance to take the story to amazing places. All they need to do is drop the unnecessary baggage and focus on the show's strength: the four characters that make up its main cast and play the integral roles in its story.
The Pillars of Supernatural Season 10
One of the best things about this episode was how it maneuvered each character into his right place in the story, after more than half a season of them standing around or concerning themselves with inane side stories. Characters are the building blocks of a show but to be effective they need to play a meaningful role, or better yet, represent personality types within the plot. The Executioner’s Song was the only episode since mid-season 8 that did this right. It took the show’s 4 players (its 4 pillars) and gave each a definitive character role that made them perform vital functions in the upcoming storyline.
Dean – the Hero:
Dean was undoubtedly the hero of this episode. Before it, the emphasis in Dean’s story was mostly on him being on the brink of falling into the abyss. Afflicted by a curse and ready to succumb to darkness and turn into an anti-hero he resembled Sam in season 4. But in this episode all of that took a backseat to his role as the one who had to save the day.
What’s important about Dean is that even though he is marked by something evil, it doesn’t make him evil. The problem before this week was that the writers seemed unsure what exactly it did make him, or what they wanted to do with it, or him. They oscillated between having him commit acts of semi-evil, like killing demons and mobsters (to show him teetering on that edge,) and premonitions of future disasters if the mark wasn’t taken care of. It was neither coherent nor effective because it didn’t give Dean a solid foothold in the story. We didn’t know if we should root for him or be wary of him.
In this episode there were no doubts. We knew exactly what Dean was and what he was supposed to do. He was the only man who could stop Cain from killing millions of humans and that made him a hero, regardless of the darkness inside him, or his deeds in the past, or his possible fall in the future. The mark only created an internal conflict within him that made achieving his goal more difficult with tougher obstacles. It also guided some of his decisions that created interesting twists. In other words, the mark complicated Dean’s character role, it didn't define it, which was a great improvement over what we had so far.
Sam – the Believer
I struggled with a name for Sam’s role in the story because I didn’t know what to call someone who loved unconditionally, so I chose Believer.
Sam was the source of love and integrity in this story, the one who ran on pure emotions. He was also the only player without any supernatural powers, which made his presence significant. While his other teammates, Cas and Crowley, took risks supporting Dean considering the danger Cain’s power posed to them, they still had a shot. They are angel and demon and no matter how downgraded they become they still have something in their arsenal to save them if push comes to shove. Sam, on the other hand, is only human.
At this point in the story Sam doesn’t have any paranormal afflictions that give him special abilities. However he stood shoulder to shoulder with the other two to assist Dean. He put his heart before his life without thinking much of it, and it was there for all to see in the way Jared infused Sam’s every expression with a frightened and emotional, yet determined look.
Sam wore his heart on his sleeve in this episode and it did wonders to his previously damaged character. His puppy-dog, moist eyes showed two things: his fear laced courage at being among, and facing, powerful creatures as a mere human, and his love for Dean. His protest to using the kid as bait, when everyone else was on board with it, and his sorrow at the end of the episode, demonstrated his role as both the upholder of morality and a believer in Dean. In the grand saga of the MoC, Sam is the loving brother, the one who wants to keep Dean in the light and on the straight and narrow path of decency no matter the cost. He is also the one in danger of giving in to spare Dean further suffering, and being unable to let go of his emotions, which is his character flaw and the big difference between him and Castiel.
Castiel – the Rock
If Sam was the agent of ‘love’ in this episode, Castiel was the bringer of ‘tough love.’
Since the end of season 4 two things have been true about Castiel: 1) he puts Dean and Dean’s objectives above everything, and 2) he isn’t above dirty deeds to achieve #1. This became a major plot point in this episode. In order to help Dean Cas tortured a demon. It wasn’t the first time he had done something like that, neither is he the only one who would do such a thing for Dean. However, unlike Sam, the line isn’t drawn at demons and villains for Cas. When the decision came to whether or not use a kid as bait to draw Cain out Castiel agreed, much to Sam’s resentment. This again highlights the idea of Sam being the human – the white knight – in Dean’s army, whereas Castiel is his dark knight.
There’s another difference between the two which makes Castiel Dean’s rock as well as his ally: the tough love element. Where Sam might slip and let his love for Dean cloud his judgment and sense of responsibility, Castiel is hard, even if it means going against his heart. That was why near the end of the episode, after Dean killed Cain, he handed the blade to Castiel. He knew that unlike Sam, Castiel wouldn’t be persuaded to give it back to him, even if he begged him to. He also knew – on a much deeper, darker level – that if he reached the point of no return, he could count of Castiel to lock out his emotions and do the right thing.
Crowley - the Wildcard
Since his addition as a regular I’ve been unsure about Crowley’s role in the story. It seemed like they wanted to keep him around but didn’t know for what. That uncertainty carried on up to this episode. Crowley still wasn’t a part of the team this round, but he came closest to it.
The fact that Crowley was in possession of the blade gave his character purpose in the story and made him a member of the quartet. Unlike Sam and Cas, whom Dean at this point trusts wholly, Crowley is an unstable element, a pillar Dean can’t lean comfortably against yet needs for support. Crowley joined his quest only because Dean lied to him.
I wished the writers gave Crowley a more tangible reason to help the Winchesters. This time it was deceit, next time it would be something else. He needs something more present and plausible to excuse his constant fascination with Dean (we were BFFs no longer cuts it.) Since he lost the blade, the only connection to the MoC mythology Crowley has is his history with Dean, which is also fading. He has to have something else to keep him in the loop. Unfortunately, based on the last scene we saw him in, that something might be Rowena, which means he might be flipping from reluctant ally to reluctant enemy, or double crossing schemer, in future episodes.
The great moments of 10.14
The opener
This episode had one of the best opening sequences among episodes in the last several seasons. Usually I fast forward scenes before the title card, unless they are about the main characters. I have no tolerance for bad acting, death of random red shirts, and predictable blood splatters on walls. This one however was of high quality, a compliment to both the writer and the director. The mood was right, the setting and atmosphere appropriately eerie, and the introduction of the villain, and execution of the crime, were handled well. It was still predictable but Cain’s appearance raised enough questions to keep the audience on their toes.
The graveyard
This was my favorite scene of the episode, and a literal throwback to the show’s glory days. It reminded me of the scene in season 5 when Castiel found Adam’s grave and pulled him out of the ground, before getting ambushed by other angels. It was also reminiscent of Cas’ terse conversations with powerful beings such as Lucifer and Raphael, with that unique sense of inhumanness cast over the entire interaction. It’s been so long since we had something like that on the show. Any scene with two menacing paranormal beings talking about the latest Winchester dilemma, and taking stands for or against them, is a winner in my book. If the scene includes a slide of Castiel’s angel blade at the mention of Dean it is A++.
Facing Cain in the barn
This scene belonged to Sam and Jared. Sure there were Cain, and Crowley, and Dean peaking in at the end, but Sam’s spot-on expression with its mixture of determination and fear was what made it. It was a powerful moment for him and a redemption for all the times he fell short of protecting Dean. Standing there as a human, facing one of the most powerful creatures in the universe for the sake of his brother, Sam finally shed his self-consumed shell and put on the mantle of the white knight, becoming the best his character had ever been since season 3.
The battle
It was a treat how drawn out the battle between Dean and Cain was, how they didn’t simply end it with a few punches and a stab in the stomach. After the very unsatisfactory fight between Dean and Abaddon, this one gave us the kick we needed. And for once, the conversation between the two opposnents wasn’t the villain babbling exposition at the hero to let us know why he did things. It was Cain trying to get under Dean’s skin and touching certain buttons inside him, hinting at a far more sinister undercurrent with regards to the mark and the blade, and a future whose thought alone threatened to bring Dean to his knees.
The handover
The episode’s singular twist was this scene. So far the story had been quite straight forward, with all its events more or less predictable. The foursome captured Cain; Crowley gave the blade to Dean with the promise that he gives it back; Dean defeated Cain and walked out with physical and emotional injuries. The only surprise to me, which also carried a big significance, was Dean holding out the blade to Crowley but giving it to Cas.
The reason this twist is so important is because of how it changes the status quo. Crowley is no longer in the possession of the blade and holds nothing over Dean. Castiel on the other hand is burdened with keeping it, which promises unpleasant and most likely impossible choices in the future.
Dean handing the blade to Castiel also highlights the four character roles. Crowley couldn’t be trusted with it because he is the disloyal wildcard. Sam couldn’t hold it because he is full of blind love, which might result in him giving the blade to Dean when he shouldn’t, or refusing to use it on him when he should. Castiel, the rock, is the perfect candidate for the task. He loves Dean enough not to betray him with it, but is tough enough in his love to hold steady when it’s time for difficult decisions.
Criticism
Unnecessary Rowena
The biggest hitch in this episode was the presence of Rowena. Every time I felt captivated by the story she would show up and disrupt the momentum, and not just because of her lack of purpose in the story but her dialogue and acting. I don’t understand why they insist on writing her so cartoonish; she acts like the comedy relief side kick of a Disney villain. It’s also unclear what they are planning to do with her, or why Crowley still keeps her around. Her threat to leave him was baffling, since I thought she was the one stuck on him like a discarded gum, not the other way around. Crowley so far didn’t appear to give a damn about his mother, yet in this episode it looked like he didn’t want her to go. Are we supposed to believe he had a change of heart and suddenly cares about her?
I wished they would banish Rowena to the same place they sent Cole and Hannah to. Unfortunately, as the season progresses, it looks more like she will play a role in the finale. I hope they keep her contained within Crowley’s storyline and don’t mix her up with Dean’s MoC plot but since Cain is gone and no other villain is in sight (unless they flip Crowley) it’s possible she’ll get more than she deserves.
Killing off Cain
Cain made for a compelling villain. I wouldn’t have minded him as the season’s big bad, but in the tradition of the show bringing back popular characters just to vilify and kill them off, he fell to Dean. It puzzles me why they gave him such a gripping personality and convincing motive, something that made him a formidable foe, yet they got rid of him so fast. It’s almost like showrunners play a prank on viewers. Commonly liked characters like Gabriel, Sarah, Tessa and Cain get cut with no chance of coming back, while characters nobody gives a damn about like Kate, Krissy, Claire and Charlie stick around for several seasons.
Dean is Cain in reverse?
As intriguing as Cain’s doomsday prophesy for Dean was, it didn’t make much sense. At one point Cain told Dean he was living Cain’s story in reverse. But the only part of Cain’s story that matches Dean’s prospective future is him killing his brother. The rest of their stories – Dean killing Crowley and Cas, Cain defecting from the Knights of Hell, meeting Collette and killing her – have nothing in common.
There would have been a chance for parallelism had the writers worked this idea in from the beginning when they introduced Cain. If they had him eliminate characters similar to Crowley and Cas instead of the recycled Woman-Who-Saved-Me plot, his story would have had meaning. But now that his backstory involves a love interest, and reformation through her loss, what does it mean for Dean? Is he going to find a girlfriend in the near future? Or are they going to just focus on the ‘kill your brother’ part? Mind you, even that doesn’t sound too appealing as it means yet another storyline involving Dean having to kill Sam. We've been down that road before, as far back as season 2.
Cutting this scene before its proper ending
I love Team Free Will. I love when they interact, especially when it is emotional and in character. I love all combinations of the three: Dean and Cas, Sam and Cas, Sam and Dean, all three together… and this episode delivered those moments beautifully, until this last scene. Sam was on the verge of tears because of Dean (living up to his believer badge) and Cas hovered on the threshold of walking in and being the rock he needed before they talked about Dean. Then the screen went black. It almost felt like a botched DVR recording that cut the scene off a minute too soon. It’s not the first time that Supernatural has done this either. There were other episodes where conversations were left unfinished, emotions left in the air, questions left unanswered, and we would get the dreaded white-on-black credits.
They should have shaved off a few seconds from Rowena's scenes to give Sam and Cas a proper dialogue in the end and us the closure we craved, especially after they did everything else so right in this episode. But alas, we’re left to imagine what the two of them talked about after the cameras stopped recording.
This was a long article but since we’re going into a month long hiatus, after an episode that was the best since the second half of season 8, I thought I’d give it more sprawl. Robert Berens deserves all the kudos he got for writing this episode and more, despite the minor problems I had with it. Of course I could be wrong and other fans might have other opinions about the episode. Whether you liked it or hated it, or are somewhere in between, I’d like to hear from you. The comment section is yours to post your thoughts about how Supernatural ended its early mini run in 2015, and we have until March to keep the chatter going.
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I agree with everything you said. I also understand that my life in reverse doesn't really make sense in a literal sense (I get Tumblr with their shipping goggles want this to mean that Castiel is Dean's Colette and Crowley I guess some random bystander, but I don't think that's what the writing meant).
ReplyDeleteBut I will take it that Cain didn't mean in literal reverse. Since we know Dean isn't going to be off to train Knights of Hell and make deals with Lucifer. I just took it that he was going to kill people who were important to him and trying to help and then finish with his brother, which was what started Cain on his dark path. I understand what they were trying to say.
I think it was an
ReplyDeleteawesome episode, love it. Jensen did an amazing job, standing ovation.
Really good review. I like how you break it all down.
ReplyDeleteI am just so curious about the Crowley/Dean pillar. I don't get why Crowley got his nose out of joint that Dean lied to him. Crowley was responsible for all of this MOC business.
I like Cain. I liked Cain. But when Cain said "taking on the Mark had a price, some would say a burden" well, that was such an understatement (hello, TURN INTO A DEMON) that to me it was a lie.
I get that Cain was desperate to end it all. And I don't BLAME him for seeing a way out of his own particular horror. I just don't see Cain as a hero here.
The business about Austin being bait, well that was fixed by the glamour spell. Cain mentioned a name Oona something I think. Did anybody catch Rowena's true name? So I thought they never really intended for Austin to be bait, but maybe if Crowley hadn't helped they would have used him?
Don't know.
I've seen so much speculation that Cain is still alive, but Dean didn't wimp out in my opinion.
Anyway, I appreciate the review and the way you split the characters up.
WHAT could be done to make Rowena a tolerable character? Alastair was EVIL but I accepted his part in the story. Better written, better acted, what do you think? Because I dislike the fact that she makes Crowley look stupid. Crowley to my mind actually "loves" Dean, and I think his anger towards Dean doesn't mean that he still doesn't love him. THAT is one complex relationship.
I wasn't complaining so much about the non-literal aspect as about the fact that they gave Cain a generic love/loss story and are now stuck with it. If this were a book they were writing I bet you they would have gone back to that chapter and changed his backstory to match Dean's closer. As it is, it gives Tumblr folks a leg to stand on since Cain had Collette and the only person currently in Dean's life that could remotely parallel her is Castiel.
ReplyDeleteI liked the review, very well done. However I disagree about the episode quality. I found the episode to not be as great as you did Tessa. To me the whole episode felt rushed and disjarred, I didn't understand how Cain would have come to this realizaton of wiping out his blood out of nowhere. I mean we take it that there are still thusands of demons and monsters roaming around earth that Cain would be better suited and find easier to deal with emotionally if he killed them. I was really disappointed that they killed Cain, I was really hoping that they would of made Cain either the big bad of the season or the big opstacle that would remove the MoC. I mean in my head I was thinking hat the best way to get rid of the mark would be to kill Cain. Cain was also such a powerful character that he was worthy of whole season if not more akin to Lucifer. Now that they have killed him I am left hoping that they can manage to really turn up Crowly into an evil villian for the season, I really think it is time for Crowly to be killed in the series.
ReplyDeleteI have been thinking about where I want the series to go after this episode and I cannot really think of a good coherent direction that utilizes the characters we have left. I mean Crowly going darkside is really the only good option in my opinion. Although I did think about how hilarious it would be if they get rid of the supernatural and leave Sam and Dean trying desperately to find something each week, having them chse down the most obscure clues and cases hoping that it is a werewolf or a chupacabra. All I know now is that I miss Cain and really want them to bring back an iconic villian from the past, my thoughts are with Azazel or Death.
Anyway good review, and you made me think a bit more about the episode and realize it probably wasn't as bad as I first thought :)
That part I agree with. Unfortunately tragic past for these writers usually means "sacrifice some female love interest we barely know" for angst. That was pretty much the only thing they did with Castiel last season. Introduce mildly interesting character, torture them in front of Cas, kill them, profit?
ReplyDeletesacrifice some female love interest we barely knowExactly! Nearly every reformed/revenge seeking supernatural being on the show follows this formula: Cain, Benny, the god of time, the Inka god in one of the random episodes, the phoenix...they all find women in their lives that make them human, then some lose the woman and become sad and/or vengeful.
ReplyDeleteGlad I improved your opinion of the episode a little. I agree with the mistake of killing off Cain, as I posted in the review. I didn't mind Cain's new conviction to kill his descendants much as it gave the team something urgent and meaningful to do, much better than their beef with Abaddon who, for all I could tell, simply wanted to take the throne of Hell from Crowley. Yes it came out of nowhere but I was fine with that since the show had committed bigger atrocities with lesser payoffs in the past than this one.
ReplyDeleteI too wished they had stayed with Cain as the big bad of the season. Sadly they seem to have something else in mind and it involves Rowena and her silly Disney story that I can't stand. Even Crowley changing sides wouldn't satisfy me as it is nothing new. We had him as the bad guy in season 8 and all it did was that in season 9 the boys helped him take his crown back from Abaddon. I doubt they would kill him off as Mark is a valuable asset for the show.
Best episode for a long time! I've been saying all week that this episode felt like it could have been plucked out of season 4 or 5 and I'm glad that I'm not alone in thinking that! The only criticisms I have mirror yours. I don't like Rowena making Crowley seem dumbs, and I'd have loved for Cain's genocide story being the main season arc and I'm gutted that he's gone.
ReplyDeleteThis is a wonderful review. I agree with you that it was the best episode of the season, and that it (hopefully, but these writers, you know…) put the season on-track, but I left the episode with a very uneasy feeling.
ReplyDeleteWith that ‘living Cain’s life in reversal’ thing, I am afraid — and don’t want — to end this season with Dean being turned into a demon again. I can see this bunch of writers doing that, because of all the negative fan reaction to cutting Demon Dean’s story short (about 1-1/2 episodes, if all the other boring stories are not included). Cain’s statements that the Mark cannot be resisted and that Dean was living Cain’s life in reverse goes against everything this show has always been about and everything that Dean has always been about — that choices trump fate/destiny. A side concern is that they are setting up for a series finale; whereby, Sam will end up killing Demon Dean and go off to either live his normal life or become a ‘born hunter.’ That Dean has always said he would die young and bloody was the first thing I thought of when Cain said those things.
Rowena is unbearable — not the actress, but the character. I thought Crowley still looked like a whimpish mommy’s boy looking for mommy’s love. I think he is set up now to team up with Rowena and go after the Winchesters, which means we have to endure — no — suffer through more of Crowley/Rowena scenes. Crowley’s story certainly is not doing that character any favors.
You mention killing off good characters like Cain. I’m still ticked off about losing Rufus. I loved that character! It’s interesting, though, that when Cain was introduced, he was portrayed as a moral man, similar to Dean. Cain ’saved’ his brother from Lucifer by killing him, while Dean saved Sam (or Sam saved himself, depending on one’s view) without killing him. I would have liked to have had more of an explanation as to why, in this episode, Cain was portrayed as going nuts in the short time we haven’t seen him. He was certainly portrayed as a man of strength who would not so easily slip into madness. Maybe the reason is that Dean will be shown as being such a man of moral strength that he will not slip into the madness.
I remain confused about the MoC, it’s power, and it’s affect on Dean, and this episode did not clear anything up. Cain, obviously, has retained all of his powers without the First Blade, but we have seen none of those powers in Dean. What exactly does the First Blade do, writers? What exactly does the MoC do? I still have no clue. All I know is that only a First Blade can kill Cain and, I assume, Dean. Is Dean immortal, like Cain was, or was Cain immortal because he was a demon? How does the MoC convert one into a demon. Supposedly, human’s are not strong enough to carry the MoC, as seen by Dean throwing up blood and hacking his lungs out. He isn’t affected by that now.
Your mention of the graveyard was interesting. Yeah, it was a nice shot, but when Cain said he was killing one-tenth of “his descendants,” I thought ‘my, my, my, that demon is sure going to wear himself out digging all those graves.’ Is that another sign of Cain being a moral man?
I’m still hung up over the fact that I thought all of mankind were descendants of Adam and Eve, Cain, Abel, Seth, Noah and so on. I can’t figure out how Cain only seeded one-tenth of the world’s population. A minor point, given that we F I N A L L Y got a decent episode.
Again, nice review. I always enjoy them, and you gave me a lot of insight into the characters on this one. Having hated Sam for many years now, I am really, really liking this Sam. (P. S., I still don’t like four leads, but it is what it is.)
I completely agree with the standing ovation for JA. Terrific job, and the Dean/Cain scenes sizzled with tension. Timothy O. is an awesome actor.
ReplyDeleteHe's a jilted lover. Crowley always lies, but he doesn't expect to be lied to, especially by his boyfriend. Crowley has always had a great respect for Dean, and I think that's because even with his added three inches, he doesn't measure up to Dean.
ReplyDeleteI wasn't thrilled with the episode until the second watch. After that, I did think it was the best of the season. I say this in the context of S10, where there has only been one other episode I watch twice (Reichenbach). From my above post, you will see I share your concerns about where these writers are taking the season.
ReplyDeleteThe past few episodes have been a bit bleh, so maybe I've not paid that much attention, but what happened to Jimmy Novak's daughter? I thought Cas was still babysitting haha
ReplyDeletei can see them having roweena take over hell and crowley asking the boys for help....
ReplyDeleteGreat review! I disagree about the episode but I always enjoy your reviews!
ReplyDeleteIt's obvious Sam has been the closest parallel to Colette. Moments like Dean killing Magnus to save Sam, and Sam telling him to stop kind parallel with Cain facing Abaddon to save Colette. He killed the Knights of Hell to save her and when she asked him to stop killing he stopped. You can say that also extends to the moments where the MoC took over, and it was Sam that was the only one to bring Dean back. And of course the biggest one is Cain saying that Colette knew what he was, and still loved and forgave him; much like Sam forgiving Dean for whatever he did as a demon, and just wanting to save him, while Cas and Crowley were more than willing to let Dean die.
ReplyDeleteThere have actually been more parallels with Sam, and none with Cas. Sam forgave and wanted to save demon Dean. Cas was willing on two occasions to kill him, that sounds nothing like what Cain described Colette as.
ReplyDeleteThey wanted to keep the camera on Dean's face, to show the emotional toll. Something that would kinda be lost in a two shot.
ReplyDeleteUh, Dean has no supernatural powers either. He killed Cain by wit and courage. It is nice to see Sam finally in the role of supporting his brother, but to say that Sam was the only one without supernatural powers makes me believe that you really didn't get Dean at all.
ReplyDeleteThe Blade. Dean gave it to Cas because he has asked a long time ago to kill him if Dean ever went off the reservation. The Blade is the only thing that can kill Dean, and we don't even know if Cas can use it.
ReplyDeleteI felt sorry for Crowley, but I also believe that Dean does care about him, and didn't give him the Blade for a couple of reasons. 1) Despite it all, Dean still can't trust Crowley and surely can't trust Rowena, who has some influence on Crowley. 2) Dean needs to distance himself from Crowley, since Crowley is 1st on the list of those that Dean cares about that Dean is destined to kill. It is a slippery slope once Crowley is killed.
I will miss Cain, but there is some small whisper that Cain may not be dead.
Er, Sam is Abel. That's the only parallel we're definitely sure of after this episode.
ReplyDeleteCain's story started with killing Abel, Dean's is supposed to finish with killing Sam.
Dean+the mark+the blade= supernatural power
ReplyDeleteDean of his own doesn't have any supernatural abilities, but this episode he had the blade, therefore Sam was the only one without any powers.
Dean can trust Sam and Cas to have his back no matter what. He has no such trust in Crowley based on Crowley's history and how he always works for himself. He couldn't give the blade to Sam because Sam is too close and too emotional about the whole thing. Cas is the only loyal ally who could be trusted to keep his head and stay steady if things go sideways with the mark.
ReplyDeleteHe had the Blade when he confronted Cain, then lost it to Cain. He had no supernatural powers when he killed Cain, it was only by the fortunate incident that the angel blade was where he could use it.
ReplyDeleteSupernatural powers are what they seem to give every character except Dean. Sam's had it, Cas has it, Crowley, Cain. Yet even DemonDean had no supernatural powers that we saw. Until I see something that even resembles supernatural powers, I will have to disagree with your assessment.
Would love to hear which parts you disagree and why.
ReplyDeleteIsn't that what I basically said? Though from the show's history, I'm not sure exactly how much Dean can trust Sam or Cas to have his back. Maybe this season will finally keep Sam concerned about Dean, since other seasons had him basically not caring about Dean one way or another. It is refreshing to see Sam being caring about his brother, something he hasn't done since season 2.
ReplyDeleteWhat rule is there that Sam can't serve as both parallels. He's been shown to be Dean's rock/constant much in the same way Colette was for Cain, at least from what Cain has said about Colette. Dean had no reactions to Cain telling him he was going to kill Cas and Crowley, but even before he uttered Sam's name, he let out a "No."
ReplyDeleteLike I said Sam has shown way more parallels to Colette in the last two seasons than Cas, who has shown none.
Dean a hero. I think not. It's more like he has a hero complex. He and he alone has to save everyone and no one else can do it, but him. Sam is a believer alright. There has never been a time when he hasn't believed in Dean. Dean on the other hand has never believed in himself or Sam.
ReplyDeleteSam to me this season is more like a bystander and this episode especially. I love how little baby Sammy needs to stay out of the way while Dean kills the evil monster and saves everyone. Sam might mess stuff up if he gets in Dean's way or he could get killed. Dean needs to keep Sam alive so that he can be the one to kill him. LOL
Why doesn't Dean have any powers? Even when he turned into a demon he didn't have any. Why is that? And maybe by killing Cain, Cain's powers might have been transferred to Dean.
What you said about Dean being marked by evil and not being evil could be said of Sam since he was a baby. He had demon blood in him, but he resisted that evil inside him for years. He said he could feel it inside him, but Sam never turned evil and started killing people. All Sam ever wanted to do was save people and kill demons. Sam used his powers to either send demons back to hell or kill them. I don't know what was ever evil about that or why Dean never wanted Sam to use his powers.
I love how Dean killed human beings not too long ago and it was okay because they were bad humans. They were still human beings and he could have just punched them all out or something instead of killing them. And if he didn't have some kind of powers, then how did he kill them all like he did and he didn't even have the blade.
Well that's all I'm going to say. The only thing I enjoyed about this particular episode was Cain because I love Timothy and his acting is the best. I hope and pray he makes another appearance somehow because that will be the only reason I watch the show again.
Dean was shown to be able to heal instantly and teleport as a demon.
ReplyDeleteIt was a really great episode and, like you, I don't believe that Supernatural would consistently give episodes like this in the future, but I cannot help but hope.
ReplyDeleteWhere Sam might slip and let his love for Dean cloud his judgment and
sense of responsibility, Castiel is hard, even if it means going against
his heart. That was why near the end of the episode, after Dean killed
Cain, he handed the blade to Castiel. He knew that unlike Sam, Castiel
wouldn’t be persuaded to give it back to him, even if he begged him to.
Sam couldn’t hold it because he is full of blind love, which might
result in him giving the blade to Dean when he shouldn’t, or refusing to
use it on him when he should.
I think you missed a step here - Dean gave the blade to Cas because Cas would be able to properly hide it and protect it. Sam lives with Dean 24/7 - there is no place he would be able to hide it where Dean wouldn't be able to find it if he wanted to. And the only safe and protected place they know to keep it would be the bunker - where Dean stays. Cas - like Crowley - can hide the blade much better than Sam.
The biggest hitch in this episode was the presence of Rowena. Every time
I felt captivated by the story she would show up and disrupt the
momentum, and not just because of her lack of purpose in the story but
her dialogue and acting. I don’t understand why they insist on writing
her so cartoonish; she acts like the comedy relief side kick of a Disney
villain. It’s also unclear what they are planning to do with her, or
why Crowley still keeps her around. Her threat to leave him was
baffling, since I thought she was the one stuck on him like a
discarded gum, not the other way around. Crowley so far didn’t appear to
give a damn about his mother, yet in this episode it looked like he
didn’t want her to go. Are we supposed to believe he had a change of
heart and suddenly cares about her?
I'm divided on this. Sure, Rowena is over-the-top, hammy and transparent in her machinations - but to me, Crowley's attitude towards her makes sense. I think Crowley's close brush with humanity is still affecting him and the significant thing he said when when he was almost human was "I just want to be loved". He doesn't want sycophantic demons but an actual "human" connection. Which is why he tried to keep Dean by his side and he lets Rowena stick around. If he truly didn't care for her, he'd have killed her ages ago. He knows that she is a manipulative witch, which is why he acts aloof, but he does want her love and respect.
Commonly liked characters like Gabriel, Sarah, Tessa and Cain get cut
with no chance of coming back, while characters nobody gives a damn
about like Kate, Krissy, Claire and Charlie stick around for several
seasons.
On the other hand, if they stick around, they may become unlikable pretty fast.
"He and he alone has to save everyone and no one else can do it, but him. I love how little baby Sammy needs to stay out of the way while Dean
ReplyDeletekills the evil monster and saves everyone. Sam might mess stuff up if he
gets in Dean's way or he could get killed."
Except, that was precisely the case here - only someone with the mark could've used the blade to kill Cain. And the "messing up" stuff goes for Cas and Crowley as well.
"Why doesn't Dean have any powers? Even when he turned into a demon he
didn't have any. Why is that? And maybe by killing Cain, Cain's powers
might have been transferred to Dean. "
Because Dean is human. He did have powers when he was a demon - he was much stronger and could heal. He might've had other powers as well, but never learned how to use them.
"What you said about Dean being marked by evil and not being evil could
be said of Sam since he was a baby. He had demon blood in him, but he
resisted that evil inside him for years. He said he could feel it inside
him, but Sam never turned evil and started killing people. All Sam ever
wanted to do was save people and kill demons. Sam used his powers to
either send demons back to hell or kill them. I don't know what was ever
evil about that or why Dean never wanted Sam to use his powers. "
The same reason no-one wants Dean to use the MoC right now. If you keep using the "evil inside you" - the demon blood or the mark - even if it is for good reasons, it'll turn you evil and make you out of control.
"I love how Dean killed human beings not too long ago and it was okay because they were bad humans."
No, it was not okay. He lost control of himself, but he still feels guilty about it.
1) I don't think Dean really cares for Crowley. I think that if push came to shove, Dean will kill Crowley - blade or no blade.
ReplyDelete2) Dean doesn't know about Rowena being Crowley's mother.
RE: The reverse parallel between Cain and Dean.
ReplyDeleteI think you are overthinking it here - its about Dean losing his humanity.
Cain killed his brother as an act of saving him. Then he got the mark and started killing other people. And slowly the mark took over and he became a savage killing machine.
Dean took the mark with the goal of saving people. Now the mark is taking over him. According to Cain, he'll start killing people he cares about and his final act of killing Sam would seal his fate as a savage killing machine.
I would have liked to have had more of an explanation as to why, in
ReplyDeletethis episode, Cain was portrayed as going nuts in the short time we
haven’t seen him. He was certainly portrayed as a man of strength who
would not so easily slip into madness.
I thought they explained it pretty well. With the MoC, killing is like a powerful drug addiction. Cain was able to stay "sober" for a long time because he was in hiding and had avoided killing. When Dean found him and brought Abaddon's demons to him, Cain had to start killing again. Incidentally, that's why Dean felt that it was his mess to clean up.
I think Crowley is going to get the blade back. Cas still owes him for the grace.He has that hanging over his head ;) The blade in exchange for some more grace
ReplyDeleteAnyway, there are a lot of questions I have regarding the Rowena/Crowley story in general, a lot of what they say to eachother, where they are etc... that really don't make sense. They are minor, but still distracting enough. If anyone has theories, or knows... share them. So my first question is Are they in Hell, or Crowley's Epcot Hell in a basement somewhere? It has been very unclear since they showed his throne room in the first few episodes. I keep thinking that they are in Hell, but when the one prisoner says "I am here because I am not supposed to be... Crowley only allows certain demons to go topside" it gave me the impression that they were still on Earth somewhere, and not in Hell.
Is Rowena supposed to be Crowley's prisoner, or pet???? Another extremely unclear matter. They keep on changing it. When Crowley says "You're just trying to suck up to me so that I can set you free" Fist thought is "Yep, she is his prisoner" But by episode 14, she has her bags packed and is leaving???/? WTF? Did Crowley go really soft? Does she have power over him? I can't rap my head around it!
How does Rowena have the ingredients to make spells??? What the hell are in the bags? If she is a prisoner, why does she have them? GAH!
Lastly, everything about her and Crowley's past don't really match up... I mean...at all!!!! It starts off with him saying "You said you'd be back in a flash... I was eight years old!!!!" To be honest, going with what he says way back in season 8, that is A LOT of witchcraft for an eight year old to know!!!!
Anyway, perhaps I am just reading too much into the Crowley/Rowena story arc... It is just too full of plot holes! Don't even get me started on Gavin lol!
Methinks that the writers just threw this together at the last minute because people decided that Mark Sheppard should be a series regular(nothing wrong with that.. I adore Mark Sheppard!). But if this is the case, they really should have put a lot more thought and effort into his character's story! I said this in another post: If they want to concentrate on Crowley struggling with human emotions, it should be a lot more subtle, like it was in season 9 His story arc would be a whole lot more interesting. Instead, it is being hammered in there so hard that his story is becoming unbearable to watch.
I am really enjoying Catsiel this season because he has more involvement with the boys instead of leading an army, or well... whatever they had him doing last season. His story arc isn't that strong, but he has become an extremely likeable character.
Dean has been great, this episode was just fantastic, well acted, and just plain well done. I look forward to what is going to happen with them.
Your review was great! Thanks for keeping it so positive, there have been more than one reviews I have read that couldn't stand this episode.
As I understand it, Crowley's court is on earth - technically. Its something like having a consulate building in another country, in that it is treated as being part of hell even though it is on earth. After all, every demon there has a physical body and I doubt Crowley can receive calls in hell.
ReplyDeleteI think Rowena is supposed to be Crowley's guest/prisoner. She had limited freedom, but by now he has pretty much given her a free reign. I don't think she could've left without his implicit permission, which is why she waited for him. I think the whole "packed bags" thing was simply Rowena being a drama queen to make a point and she had no actual intention of leaving.
As for her spells, Crowley uses magic too - so its likely that he'd have a lot of ingredients lying around. Besides, once Rowena secured her position, she could've asked Crowley to send someone to get her stuff (clothes, magical items etc.) from whereever she had stored them.
As for teaching him magic, I think she might've left him her grimoire or something, thus teaching him the stuff indirectly.
Though I have to admit that these are all rationalizations that have little basis on what has actually been shown. TBH, I think the writers really screwed up a great opportunity when they wimped out of Sam closing the gates of hell. The whole demon-related arc of seasons 9 and 10 woul've been much more powerful that way.
Consider this - Sam did cure Crowley and closed the gates, so his being on death's door would make much more sense. Since we haven't had much dealings with the actual hell since then, so the plot won't be affected much. The writers could've changed the rules a bit - the trials only close the gates and the demons on earth remain there, which means, keeping human Crowley alive to get information about them would make sense. Abaddon trying to establish a new hell on earth would make Dean's "urgent" goal of defeating her much more believable. Crowley - now human - could've remained a power-hungry rogue with sufficient knowledge of witchcraft to force the remaining demons into submission.
I agree Tessa, one of the best episodes in years. I really wish we could get more of this more often. Kudos to Robert Berens for a fantastic episode.
ReplyDeleteIf Sam is everyone, why even mention Cas and Crowley.
ReplyDeleteThis is why I don't like the whole Collette story and the Tumblr arguments that have followed it. Sam fans say he is Collette (but then he's Abel too, so he must be both of them,) Cas fans argue Collette is Cas. Somewhere there must be some Crowley fans who think he his Collette.
IMO none of them are Collette. Collete was just a cliche backstory they gave Cain, the same one they give every paranormal creature who changes his ways and chooses to live in solitude. They all meet a woman, fall in love with her, she dies or they leave her, lather, rinse, repeat. I might be willing to bend logic and gender and accept that she might be Cas, but Sam, God no. He's Dean's brother. To parallel him with Cain's wife is...iffy.
I also didn't see any reaction from Dean other than wincing in pain during Cain's entire monologue. Dean's a sort of man who doesn't wear his emotions on his sleeve but then again, some Sam fans and Cas fans have goggles on that beg to differ.
I'd say Dean saying "No" even before Cain says Sam's name is a reaction.
ReplyDeleteBoy, you hit the nail on the head there, Hellboy. Because this is Dean's story we see DEAN'S reaction to the kill.
ReplyDeleteI just don't know WHY Cain thinks/thought the Blade could kill him for REELZ. BUT if he killed himself in the first place, and reanimated, do we know that he used The First Blade to do it? I THINK he used The First Blade in an attempt to kill himself, and thus was holding it and reanimated (sort of what happened with Dean when Crowley placed The Blade in his hand after Metatron killed Dean) but we don't actually know that. AND we only have Crowley's rather dubious "word" that that was what happened to Cain. Crowley kept saying it was campfire talk around Hell. So if it turns out not to be true, eh, Crowley never SAID it was TRUE he said it was the STORY he heard floating around Hell.
My big curiosity here is whether the Source Metatron spoke about is actually Lucifer. Cain wasn't The Source for the Mark, LUCIFER was.
Yeah, and I am afraid they will do that. I have read speculation because stills were released of Dean and Rowena doing scenes together that she tries to "control" him like Magnus did (there is a spell to cloud the will, right?); I am more than willing to think Dean is trying to keep her from taking Crowley's kingdom (that is one weird relationship, and I am CONVINCED that Crowley is absolutely head over heels in love with Dean -- he was introduced as a bisexual character after all -- and just feels verklempt that his love is not returned).
ReplyDeleteDidn't you like About a Boy? I have watched Reichenbach, About a Boy, and this episode twice. I thought Dylan Everett was stellar as Dean, liked every acting part.
ReplyDeleteAnd it is so rare for me not to say that character or other sucked. (Remember when Claire was playing pool with two random people and they just agreed to give Dean a work-up? Like who were they, why would they, why should I care if Dean ripped their heads off? Really poorly acted, written, characters.
A side concern is that they are setting up for a series finale; whereby, Sam will end up killing Demon Dean and go off to either live his normal life or become a ‘born hunter.’ I doubt the series finale will come any time soon. The show was renewed for season 11 without them announcing it as the last season, which means a season 12 is definitely in the bag.
ReplyDeleteAs for Sam killing Dean at the end of the MoC arc I wouldn't mind it if it's something like season 3 finale and next season we see Sam distraught and looking for a way to bring him back. We got to remember that death on this show doesn't mean anything especially if your name is Winchester.
I think he is set up now to team up with Rowena and go after the Winchesters,
Which is what I don't understand. I could see Crowley being pissed off at the Winchesters for taking the blade from him. But it's not like he needed it for anything, or that they are in his way, or he has any reason to team up with Rowena against them. All of this seems very nilly willy with no motive explained either for Crowley or Rowena.
I would have liked to have had more of an explanation as to why, in this episode, Cain was portrayed as going nuts in the short time we haven’t seen him.
Didn't the same thing happen with Ava, Anna and Tessa? Bring them back insane with no reasonable explanation just to kill them off? It's another one of show's favorite tropes.
I remain confused about the MoC, it’s power, and it’s affect on Dean, and this episode did not clear anything up.At this point, I've given up seeing a coherent overall story for it and am just taking it one episode at a time. Some episodes handle it in a silly way, some like this one introduce ideas that - although previously unheard of - create intriguing plots around Dean's affliction. With this group of writers that's the best I could hope for.
I thought all of mankind were descendants of Adam and Eve, Cain, Abel, Seth, Noah and so on. I can’t figure out how Cain only seeded one-tenth of the world’s population.Good point. Shouldn't he have seeded half of them (the other half being Abel's children?) Or did Adam and Eve have a litter? Like I said, I don't mind such minor consistencies as long as the story they tell is exciting and resonates with the characters.
Having hated Sam for many years now, I am really, really liking this Sam.
Same here. There was a time I couldn't stand seeing Sam's face. Now I just want to grab him in a big hug and pat him on the head. What an improvement!
For me, the teen Dean episode was the best episode of the season so far. I really like Dean's interactions w/the woman at the bar, and then I thought teen Dean was great. DE really embodied JA's Dean. It was good. I hated the end w/Sam being useless but . . . that's just Sam's lot this year.
ReplyDeleteThe Dean/Cain fight was good in this episode, but I didn't really care for the rest of it.
I agree about Rowena and keep trying to figure out HOW to make the character tolerable. I don't know what her endgame is, but I truly doubt it is to bake cookies for Fergus.
ReplyDeleteAgree with your Rufus love, THE TOPS. Harsh enough (you got a skull saw?) but somebody who saw the dark humor in things. He would've made a good partner to anybody.
This may sound weird, but my religious education says that NOAH was a descendant of Seth, who was Adam and Eve's third son. And whence came the flood and the world was depopulated, all the world is NOW the descendants of Noah. There should not be descendants of Cain OR Abel. Or am I reading a different Bible from everybody else?
I'd say Cas fits the Colette part best, if we're being literal about it. Colette's whole thing was that she loved Cain even though he was a monster, and she felt he was worth saving, which is Cas' big thing too. He's always telling Dean that he's not a monster, that everyone makes stupid choices, that at least he tries to do the right thing, etc. Now, whether they make the relationship romantic is another story (it could be kept friendship and still make sense with the parallel), but Cas would definitely be Colette.
ReplyDeleteSo, Cain's story was that first he killed Abel, then he killed Colette, and then he killed the Knight's of Hell (all demons obviously). In reverse, that would be killing demons, the Colette character, and then the Abel character - aka, Crowley, Cas, and Sam.
I have no idea if they will do this, but this is how I interpreted that whole Cain speech.
Hellboy, there is a video on youtube of Dean saying Sammy Sammy SAM in all the different ways he has said SAMMY SAMMY "SAM" over the last 10 years.
ReplyDeleteIt's like WOW.
You're right, we are all trying to limit Sam to ONE when he COULD be BOTH.
He says, DEAN, and Dean drops/hands over the Blade.
See this is what I mean by goggles. I just watched that scene again and he says "No," right after Cain says, "the one (kill) that would finally turn you into as much a savage as I am." The no is Dean denying the notion that he'd ever turn into a savage like Cain.
ReplyDeleteWhen did he teleport? I agree about the healing instantly, but I don't remember teleporting. (I think the healing was part of being a demon but I don't know that, it could be specific to Dean, because other demons take someone, use them, "ride 'em 'til they die" and then vacate what oftentimes is a dead body which if they had the power they could have healed.)
ReplyDeleteThough from the show's history, I'm not sure exactly how much Dean can trust Sam or Cas to have his back.They both are guilty of going darkside in the past. But that's exactly what made this episode and mission so fascinating. Dean's success entirely depended on Sam and Cas having his back. And they not only did, but showed a lot of concern and affection to him, which is why I used the labels of White and Dark Knight for them. It seems like something has shifted, especially with Sam, and finally we're seeing him care and support his brother selflessly.
ReplyDeleteBut we don't know if Dean knows about Rowena the Witch being Crowley's mother. At least I don't remember anybody discussing her. She got away from Dean who was about to kill her in Girls Girls Girls when Cole attacked Dean.
ReplyDeleteThe point about Hell is that EVERYBODY hates Hell, Meg said Hell is...like HELL.
ReplyDeleteCrowley doesn't want to be there, ALL demons want to leave there (only Alastair preferred Hell to my memory). Crowley's throne room/domicile appears to be on earth to me.
I can't answer any of your questions about Rowena because the whole thing is so confusing.
I can't tell if she wants to use Crowley's back to get rid of the Grand Coven or take over for herself AS the Grand Coven.
She is what I would call a common grifter, even her staying in fancy hotels and eating at fine restaurants shows a lack of imagination. She's just small potatoes.
In my opinion in the supernatural world I would imagine that Human's were not only created by God as Prometheous I believe created humans from clay in Greek mythology so the Titan's have created humans and I am sure the other mythologies like egyptian, hindu and norse have similar ideas of Gods creating humans, which is where the rest of the population would of come from seeing as all of these beings exist within this world.
ReplyDeleteSee I agree if they do what they have done with Crowley as the big bad than I don't think I would be very happy with the result. However if they were to turn him into a darker less comedic version, have him go Darkside and become a real threat and give him some real power over the brothers or the world to the point where even Castiel cannot help the situation than I think I would be impressed and even happy in the direction. I mean he has essentially the entirety of hell at his fingertips if he were to release hell upon the world to succeed in doing what lucifer could not than I could get behind that direction. Imagine if the world were to be overrun in demons with the pure motivation of destruction throwing the world into chaos leaving only the brothers to stop it.
ReplyDeleteI think you missed a step here - Dean gave the blade to Cas because Cas would be able to properly hide it and protect it. Sam lives with Dean 24/7 - there is no place he would be able to hide it where Dean wouldn't be able to find it if he wanted to. And the only safe and protected place they know to keep it would be the bunker - where Dean stays. Cas - like Crowley - can hide the blade much better than Sam.I'd like to think it's more than that. I believe it's because Dean suspects that one day he might go so far off the reservation that he might need the holder of the blade to kill him, like he killed Cain. He gave it to Cas because he knows Cas will be able to do it. I even recall he said something to that effect to Cas in one of the previous episodes.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, if they stick around, they may become unlikable pretty fast.True. I remember I liked Lisa and Ben in seasons 3. Not so much in season 6. And then, there's Charlie...
When he faced Cole. Sam was knocked out and Cole was waiting for him to walk out the door, and Dean appeared right behind him.
ReplyDeleteBut if becoming a savage killing machine is the final stage for both, then how is their stories in reverse?
ReplyDeleteReverse would be Cain killing his brother, then a close friend, then a frenemy. And if that's too hair splitty then the process at least has to follow reverse order, i.e. Dean has to start off as a savage killing machine, kill a bunch of people, kill his brother, then become a decent man.
Oh, I agree. I think Dean will rid himself of the Mark once he kills Sam. That would be "Cain in reverse."
ReplyDeleteWow, I saw that differently: Cole threw in a gas canister, Sam ran out the door coughing, Dean just sat there. I thought he went out another door and began his fight with Cole. Like we SEE Crowley teleport, we used to SEE Castiel teleport. Now I am not saying the show would not say he teleported, I just did not see the usual way the show represents a teleporting being. I guess this is where I type YMMV (when I first saw that I did not know it was Your Mileage May Vary, I thought it was You Make Me Vomit. Stupid, huh?)
ReplyDeleteI have a suspicion that you're right, that Rowena's main function on the show is to take Crowley away from the team. Now if Crowley being an ally somehow played a crucial role in the story, if him not being in the same club as the boys meant Dean would lose the battle against the mark for some reason, that would have made her a formidable player. As it is, I don't know why we should care if Crowley likes the boys or not. He doesn't have the blade anymore, and it's not like there's a big bad who is a threat to them whom he might run to.
ReplyDeleteExcept for the two times he said was willing to kill/let demon Dean die. Unlike Sam who told Dean he didn't care what he did as a demon and was hellbent on saving him.
ReplyDeleteI either want to see the writers find a good compelling plot for Crowley and Castiel or greatly reduce their roles in the show, have them leave or kill them off. As of now their personal stories are incredibly boring and serve no real function to the show itself.
ReplyDeleteI use to love both of them but characters are only as good as the writing for them and right now the writing for them has been astonishingly bad. It's blatantly obvious that the writers can't think of anything to do with characters that are Sam and Dean and are running in circles with these side characters.
Its not hair-splitty, its simply taking it too literally. Cain killed his brother first and then slowly turned into a monster and Dean would turn into a monster and then kill his brother. Cain started with killing his brother and that's where Dean would end up.
ReplyDeleteI'd like to think it's more than that. I believe it's because Dean
ReplyDeletesuspects that one day he might go so far off the reservation that he
might need the holder of the blade to kill him, like he killed Cain. He
gave it to Cas because he knows Cas will be able to do it. I even recall
he said something to that effect to Cas in one of the previous
episodes.
But the holder of the blade can't kill him.
Sure, Dean wants Cas to take him out if he goes off the reservation - throw him into the sun or vaporize him if nothing else works - but that has nothing to do with the blade itself. Right now, Dean is the only one with MoC, which means he is the only one who can use the blade. Cas might be able to kill Dean through other means, but stabbing him with the first blade won't work any better than stabbing him with the normal blade.
I agree about Rowena and keep trying to figure out HOW to make the
ReplyDeletecharacter tolerable. I don't know what her endgame is, but I truly
doubt it is to bake cookies for Fergus.
I though her endgame coundn't be more obvious - ensnare Crowley into being her obedient son and use his position as the king of hell to take out all who might threaten her - the coven, the hunters and other demons.
This may sound weird, but my religious education says that NOAH was a
descendant of Seth, who was Adam and Eve's third son. And whence came
the flood and the world was depopulated, all the world is NOW the
descendants of Noah. There should not be descendants of Cain OR Abel.
Or am I reading a different Bible from everybody else?
Well, given that Adam and Eve were the only one's created, they must've had more than 3 sons. So, I'm guessing Seth married one of his sisters as did Cain and in all possibility one of Seth's descendents married one of Cain's - cousins, second cousins etc.
It's not about what's currently happening, it's about the past (although I believe that if the time comes, Cas will be unable to kill Dean). As in, Cas literally pulled Dean from Hell, paralleling Colette's figuratively pulling Cain from Hell. Cain made a deal in which he'd go to Hell for his brother, and we all know what happened at the end of season 2.
ReplyDeleteThey might not even do anything with this, and it'll most likely be the combined forces of Sam and Cas' love for Dean that saves him, or whatever, but if you're strictly talking about parallels, this is what I think it's referring to. Especially since Cain said the "reverse" thing, and he killed his own brother first, and said Dean would kill Sam last. So Sam would definitely be Abel.
But again, it probably doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of how the season will go down, and we're most likely reading too much into it.
I couldn't agree more. I don't mind Cas and I love Misha Collins, but the show suffers because the writers haven't had a clue what to do with him since season 6. Nearly every plot line he has been in since then has dragged the show down, but they had to have that boring angel crap just so Cas could get screen time for some reason. Thankfully we don't have that this year, instead we have him being a babysitter.
ReplyDeleteAbout a Boy was a good episode, but seeing a teen play Dean once was enough for me. JA was in it more than I thought he would be, so that was a plus, and I thought JP did a great job, but I HATE watching teenagers in any show.
ReplyDeleteVery seldom do I even get close to tears when watching a show or movie (maybe twice in my life and both were when watching movies), but I have to say my heart ached for Dean when Zachariah was using Mary as a tool against him in Dark Side of the Moon. That was an incredibly brutal scene.
Oh, I couldn't agree more w/your last sentence. The writers have clearly run out of ideas w/r/t Sam and Dean and can't even begin to think of what to do w/their new "regulars." It's awful.
ReplyDeleteYou're right: I remember the scene in Inherit the Wind in which "Darrow" asked "Brady" where CAIN'S wife came from, and all "Brady" could come up with was "a separate creation" and it made the courtroom go bzz bzz bzz.
ReplyDeleteAND if I remember it correctly, in the Jewish faith the child has the "family" or "faith" of the mother. That was one simple question which flummoxed THAT guy, it was obvious he'd never thought on it before. And I hadn't thought on it either. Because if I remember correctly in the Bible people were living for 100s of years in Genesis and they had multiple generations of children, so Cain's family WOULD have been throughout the human race. My husband said that we are ALL descendents of Ramses the Great (I don't know how that works genealogically but I try not to argue statistics with him) in the same way.
I liked it because About A Boy was NOT a flashback episode.
ReplyDeleteThe worst flashback episode for me was After School Special. Brock Kelly was NOT Dean in any way shape or form, well, maybe a little in the looks, but not REALLY.
I thought Something Wicked was horrific and A Very Supernatural Christmas was very very sad.
i don't have much to cry about in my life, just keep toolin' along, but I like the release of tears when I see good fiction.
Agree about Dark Side of the Moon: JA REALLY nailed being a 4yo in that scene with Mary, didn't he?
As I understand it, Adam and Eve had three sons and some daughters. After Cain killed Abel, he travelled the world and created civilizations. Noah was a descendent of Seth's, and Seth's bloodline goes back to Adam and Eve. Since everyone but Noah, his wife, their children and their spouses supposedly died in the flood, mankind should be decedents of Adam and Eve through Seth's bloodline. Of course, SPN doesn't exactly follow the biblical story, but...
ReplyDeleteI think the problem with Crowley is that he's still feeling the effects of the aborted Demon cure, and his subsequent forced company with others (the bunker, for example)...kind of like a demonic Stockholm Syndrome. TFW is rejecting him, so he's turning to the only other person offering anything. Unfortunately, Rowena is a purely unbelievable, and the idea that Crowley would let her manipulate him just as unbelievable. Throughout the show, Crowley has helped the boys out more than the angels have, actually, and we've gotten used to him being something of a "frenemy." Personally, I miss the old Crowley, can't wait till they bring him back, and get rid of his damn mother. She's just annoying.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you on the Collette story. I remember when Collette was introduced, it seemed the story would go with Sam saving Dean (the Collette parallel), but that has gone nowhere. What we have is Cas, Sam and Dean teamed up with both Cas and Sam doing a part of whatever saving is supposed to occur. In my mind, I think Dean will save himself because Sam and Cas are being there supporting him. I actually have always wanted Dean to save himself, so I am okay if the story goes that way. Whether it will or not remains to be seen.
ReplyDeleteIt was left up to fan interpretation whether Dean teleported out of the bar to meet Cole. Nothing was made clear, except it was a big building and Dean got out and around it very quickly. The teleporting, though, could have been because he was a demon. The self-healing, I took to be an indication of Dean's immortality as a Mark-bearer, but I am now thinking the writers have dropped the whole immortality thing. Another case of them dreaming up a story, but not thinking it through. What we are left with is that only the First Blade can kill a Mark-bearer, but only a Mark-bearer can use the First Blade, but a Mark-bearer cannot kill himself with a First Blade or he comes back a demon. Sounds like something has to be dropped, doesn't it?
ReplyDeleteI agree: I can see what you are saying, but our attention was on Sam leaving the bar and coming out front and we don't know how much time actually passed. I can see if they showed it, but normally when somebody teleports (like this week where Crowley was there then the camera went on TFW then they showed Crowley gone -- true teleporting explicitly shown) there are cues (such as the wing sound when Castiel left the scene).
ReplyDeleteSo it COULD be teleporting, I am not arguing it definitely WAS NOT, but it didn't have the usual teleporting cues.
It would have been no problem if the writers took a page from this episode's rule book and wrote Cas and Crowley as part of the main storyline. The reason their characters seem pointless is because the stories they are stuck with are pointless, and no even their stories. Other, even more far removed, character are the focuses of those stories.
ReplyDeleteFor example what's Cas' story this season? Other than his fading grace that barely gets mentioned he's got nothing. All he did so far was to play support for Hannah and Claire's. When you assign your main players to supporting roles in plots about bit characters they become excess baggage. We don't care about Hannah and Claire, so now by extension we don't care about Castiel and think he's wasting our time.
Same with Crowley. At this point he doesn't have a story other than whatever function he has in Rowena's side plot.
Then it's my second theory. Dean worries that at one point he might suffer so much under the mark that not having the blade in his hand might cause him unbearable agony, or drag him to the brink of insanity. He doesn't want the blade to be anywhere near when that happens, and definitely not in his brother's hand because he knows Sam might cave in and give it to him just to not have to watch him suffer. Castiel on the other hand is hard as a rock. He loves Dean but is ruthless enough to let writhe in pain if it means not handing him the blade that would spell out his destruction.
ReplyDeleteHmmm, this is not the review I was expecting. I will have to re-read it and think about it for a bit.
ReplyDeleteI agree completely, Kevin. Power hungry Cas, Evil Cas, Crazy Hippie Cas, Repentant Love Child Cas, and Babysitter Cas have been boring as Hades to watch and, clearly, the writers are having trouble dreaming up some excuse to have him on the show, let alone made a co-lead.
ReplyDeleteAnd now they have completely ruined Crowley's character by making him a sap and a wussy mommy's boy still looking for mommy's love and he's what? 300 or 400 years old. Dear God. Kill him off and save Mark S. the embarrassment.
Both stories are boring interruptions to the one good story they have going this season.
Cain and Abel both had wives, and Seth was born after Abel died. But yeah the whole creationism thing is icky with the incest.
ReplyDeletepossibly... but than they could have showed a dead cain as dean walked out. im still not convinced we have seen the last of cain.
ReplyDeleteSeems like the show is leading sam to go get his demon powers back and/or free lucifer & Michael
ReplyDeleteThis was a good! This is my second favorite episode of season 10(after fanfiction) . They killed Cain off a little too soon for my taste. I think they should have dragged it out some. I can't wait to see what happens to Dean now that he killed Cain. Metatron said the stronger the person Dean fight the more control he loses and he just killed Cain, the strongest (or was it the oldest? ) of demons . So I'm expecting Dean to be having some rages.
ReplyDeleteI especially like what you said about Castiel. He is Dean's rock. While the writers clearly are at a loss of what to do with him, I hope they let him hang with Dean and Sam for a while or focus more on him hunting for a cure for Dean because seeing him torture Demons and draw his angel blade made me think of the good old season 4-5 Castiel.
I am one of the people who believe Castiel is Dean's Colette (Romantically or in a friendship way I'm fine with either) and Dean giving Castiel the blade was a major game changer. I'm wondering what Castiel will do with it. Hide it in heaven or somewhere on earth. Castiel should go see Lucifer in the cage and see if he'll remove the moC and get Adam out because it's been bothering me since Fanfiction that Adams still in there.
Sam has been great this season and I'm starting to like him again. He actually looked for Dean this season, he hasn't been looking for some chick to settle down with, or saying mean things to Dean that make me want to punch him. He's been by Dean's side supporting him and suffering silently as he comes to grips with what the moC is doing to Dean. I'm hoping to see Sam talk to one of the powerful side Characters they still have in circulation like Death or Chuck (God?) to see what they know about the moC.
The Crowley and Rowena thing is bringing the show down. The hints of his childhood are funny but I think they should have used the Son they revealed he had in season 9. He would have a better reason to be worried and having a human son living in his kingdom (warehouse? Hell?) with a bunch of demoms who are already doubting his judgement would have been cool. Especially if his son started making suggestions on how to regain control and Crowley started thinking about making his son heir to the throne. But too late for that now. We're stuck with Rowena and her horrible voice that gives me a headache whenever she opens her mouth. At least Claire's gone. Two horrible unnecessary characters would have ruined this almost perfect episode.
Please share your thoughts with me (and why this wasn't the review you were expecting,) once you've re-read it.
ReplyDeleteI haven't watched an episode since the CLUE "homage". Judging by your comments here, I haven't missed anything since ...
ReplyDeleteNo, in my opinion, you really haven't!
ReplyDeleteWho did Cain marry to create those civilizations? Who did Seth marry?
ReplyDeleteThat question has been debated for centuries by creationists.
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