This table shows the early overnight ratings. These ratings are normally adjusted later in the day when all the ratings have been consolidated to take into account any local preemptions and/or overruns. You can find all the final adjusted numbers in our Ratings Database. (See the About section below for details about ratings)
The analysis below is based on the early household numbers and are NOT the same as the numbers that will be posted in the above table later. (See the About section below)
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Metered Market Monday Ratings
CBS Leads; Comedies Continue to Struggle on the Evening
Tuesday 2/03/15
Household
Rating/Share
CBS 9.0/14
ABC 3.7/ 6
Fox 2.8/ 4
NBC 2.7/ 4
CW 2.0/ 3
-Percent Change from Year-Ago Evening – Tuesday 2/04/14:
CW: +25, ABC: +19, Fox: +17, CBS: – 9, NBC: -39
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Note: The following labels are based on the household overnights and are subject to change given the availability of other pending data streams. These overnights are your first look at the ratings and a precursor to what could lie ahead. And we take into account other benchmarks including the expected demographic ratings, potential DVR usage, the critical acclaim (or lack of) and the social media presence.
-Winners:
“NCIS” (CBS), “Shark Tank” (ABC), “The Flash” (CW), “NCIS: New Orleans” (CBS), “Chicago Fire” (NBC)
-Losers (excluding repeats):
“Parks and Recreation” (NBC), “Marvel’s Agent Carter” (ABC), “Marry Me” (NBC), “New Girl” (Fox), “About A Boy (NBC), “The Mindy Project” (Fox)
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Ratings Breakdown:
It was no contest in the Tuesday household overnights, with the trio of CBS dramas – “NCIS” (#1 for the night: 11.3 rating/18 share), “NCIS: New Orleans” (9.8/15) and “Person of Interest” (5.9/10) – lifting the Eye net to a distant 243 percent advantage over distant No. 2 ABC. But, year-to-year, fading “Person of Interest” declined by 25 percent in the overnights (versus a 7.9/13 on 2/04/14). Retention for “Person of Interest” out of the 9:30 p.m. portion of lead-in “NCIS: New Orleans” (9.7/15) was only 61 percent. And competing “Chicago Fire” on NBC (#2: 4.4/ 8) remains the Tuesday 10 p.m. drama to beat in adults 18-49 and all the key young demographics.
Comparably, “Chicago Fire” built from lead-in “About A Boy” (#3: 1.9/ 3) by a considerable 132 percent in the household overnights.
Earlier in the evening on NBC were two episodes (original and repeat) of the final season of “Parks and Recreation” (8 p.m.: #5, 2.4/ 4; 8:30 p.m. R: #5: 1.4/ 2), followed by hiatus-bound “Marry Me” at a mere 1.7/ 3 (#4) in the 9 p.m. half-hour. As a reminder, NBC sitcom “Undateable” will begin its second season on Tuesday, March 17 at 9 p.m. ET following “The Voice” and into new comedy “One Big Happy” at 9:30 p.m. ET from writer Liz Feldman and executive producer Ellen DeGeneres. And “Parks and Recreation” officially concludes with a one-hour episode on Feb. 24.
Over at ABC, a Tuesday 8 p.m. installment of “Shark Tank” was on the map with a 5.0/ 8, which bested former time period occupant “Marvel’s Agents of SHIELD” on the year-ago evening (4.2/ 6 on 2/04/14) by 19 percent. But recent entry “Marvel’s Agent Carter” dipped to a series-low 2.9/ 5 from 9-10 p.m. (#2), which was six percent below the 3.1/ 5 one week earlier (which translated into only a 1.3/ 4 among adults 18-49, based on the Live Plus Same Day data). And it led into sophomore drama “Forever” at a third-place 3.3/ 6 at 10 p.m., which was still a considerable 50 percent above failed year-ago drama “Killer Women” (2.2/ 4 on 2/04/14).
Elsewhere, “The Flash” on The CW remains the bona fide real deal at a fourth-place 2.6/ 4 from 8-9 p.m., which built by 62 percent from year-ago occupant “The Originals” (1.6/ 2 on 2/04/14). And it led into veteran “Supernatural,” which dipped to a 1.5/ 2 at 9 p.m. (#5). Fox capped off this first Tuesday in February with demo friendly “MasterChef Junior” (#3: 3.6/ 6 from 8-9 p.m.) into struggling sitcoms “New Girl” (#3: 2.2/ 3) and “The Mindy Project” (#4: 1.7/ 3) from 9-10 p.m. Unless new ABC sitcom “Fresh Off the Boat” ignites ABC next Tuesday, network comedies on the evening have just not resonated in recent years.
Source: Nielsen Media Research data
CBS Leads; Comedies Continue to Struggle on the Evening
Tuesday 2/03/15
Household
Rating/Share
CBS 9.0/14
ABC 3.7/ 6
Fox 2.8/ 4
NBC 2.7/ 4
CW 2.0/ 3
-Percent Change from Year-Ago Evening – Tuesday 2/04/14:
CW: +25, ABC: +19, Fox: +17, CBS: – 9, NBC: -39
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Note: The following labels are based on the household overnights and are subject to change given the availability of other pending data streams. These overnights are your first look at the ratings and a precursor to what could lie ahead. And we take into account other benchmarks including the expected demographic ratings, potential DVR usage, the critical acclaim (or lack of) and the social media presence.
-Winners:
“NCIS” (CBS), “Shark Tank” (ABC), “The Flash” (CW), “NCIS: New Orleans” (CBS), “Chicago Fire” (NBC)
-Losers (excluding repeats):
“Parks and Recreation” (NBC), “Marvel’s Agent Carter” (ABC), “Marry Me” (NBC), “New Girl” (Fox), “About A Boy (NBC), “The Mindy Project” (Fox)
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Ratings Breakdown:
It was no contest in the Tuesday household overnights, with the trio of CBS dramas – “NCIS” (#1 for the night: 11.3 rating/18 share), “NCIS: New Orleans” (9.8/15) and “Person of Interest” (5.9/10) – lifting the Eye net to a distant 243 percent advantage over distant No. 2 ABC. But, year-to-year, fading “Person of Interest” declined by 25 percent in the overnights (versus a 7.9/13 on 2/04/14). Retention for “Person of Interest” out of the 9:30 p.m. portion of lead-in “NCIS: New Orleans” (9.7/15) was only 61 percent. And competing “Chicago Fire” on NBC (#2: 4.4/ 8) remains the Tuesday 10 p.m. drama to beat in adults 18-49 and all the key young demographics.
Comparably, “Chicago Fire” built from lead-in “About A Boy” (#3: 1.9/ 3) by a considerable 132 percent in the household overnights.
Earlier in the evening on NBC were two episodes (original and repeat) of the final season of “Parks and Recreation” (8 p.m.: #5, 2.4/ 4; 8:30 p.m. R: #5: 1.4/ 2), followed by hiatus-bound “Marry Me” at a mere 1.7/ 3 (#4) in the 9 p.m. half-hour. As a reminder, NBC sitcom “Undateable” will begin its second season on Tuesday, March 17 at 9 p.m. ET following “The Voice” and into new comedy “One Big Happy” at 9:30 p.m. ET from writer Liz Feldman and executive producer Ellen DeGeneres. And “Parks and Recreation” officially concludes with a one-hour episode on Feb. 24.
Over at ABC, a Tuesday 8 p.m. installment of “Shark Tank” was on the map with a 5.0/ 8, which bested former time period occupant “Marvel’s Agents of SHIELD” on the year-ago evening (4.2/ 6 on 2/04/14) by 19 percent. But recent entry “Marvel’s Agent Carter” dipped to a series-low 2.9/ 5 from 9-10 p.m. (#2), which was six percent below the 3.1/ 5 one week earlier (which translated into only a 1.3/ 4 among adults 18-49, based on the Live Plus Same Day data). And it led into sophomore drama “Forever” at a third-place 3.3/ 6 at 10 p.m., which was still a considerable 50 percent above failed year-ago drama “Killer Women” (2.2/ 4 on 2/04/14).
Elsewhere, “The Flash” on The CW remains the bona fide real deal at a fourth-place 2.6/ 4 from 8-9 p.m., which built by 62 percent from year-ago occupant “The Originals” (1.6/ 2 on 2/04/14). And it led into veteran “Supernatural,” which dipped to a 1.5/ 2 at 9 p.m. (#5). Fox capped off this first Tuesday in February with demo friendly “MasterChef Junior” (#3: 3.6/ 6 from 8-9 p.m.) into struggling sitcoms “New Girl” (#3: 2.2/ 3) and “The Mindy Project” (#4: 1.7/ 3) from 9-10 p.m. Unless new ABC sitcom “Fresh Off the Boat” ignites ABC next Tuesday, network comedies on the evening have just not resonated in recent years.
Source: Nielsen Media Research data
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The first item that gets posted (normally around 2pm GMT) is the early overnight analysis based on the early household numbers (these are not the same as the Total Viewers and 18-49 Demo numbers that are posted later).
Next, if available, we will post the Top 25 Market 18-49 Ratings to give you a rough idea of the ratings to following.
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Looks to have been a good night for all networks, ABC excluded (Although Shark Tank should do around it's 1.8)
ReplyDeleteSupernatural and Flash! :(( I know it's still good for The Flash, but still...
ReplyDeleteHope Supernatural did well. The episode was really entertaining.
ReplyDeleteCan someone explain me why is Parks and Recreation a loser here?
ReplyDeleteAgent Carter is done even with good lead-in it does poorly.Also Forever probably beat it in viewers and its in lower viewing hour.
ReplyDeleteBest episode of Supernatural for a while. Let's hope it didn't dip to a 0.6.
ReplyDeleteLow ratings at a metric that used to matter 40 years ago and today is used only as a preview.
ReplyDeleteHmmm Flash a bit down in HH from last week (3.0/5)
ReplyDeleteParks up two tenths at the households.
ReplyDeleteStill #1, Undateable is gonna stand no chance.
That rating analysis we read says more about Berman being a loser than Parks and Rec.
ReplyDeleteShark Tank and Chicago Fire appear to be the standouts. Shark Tank is reviving a previously dead concept and Chicago Fire is now going 132% increase from the competition. Is 150% the tipping point to prove to NBC that the comedies aren't working?
ReplyDeleteParks and Recreation is doing about 1.3-1.5 which is amazing for NBC comedy standards.
ReplyDeleteThe thing is NBC has no where else to put comedies as Thurs will be all dramas
ReplyDeleteIts premature to include New Girl as a loser since it skews very young and could get about 1.5 which is ok for FOX.Its also the best non sunday comedy.It ll be even funny if it beats last B99 episode
ReplyDeleteI agree. That has always been NBC's major issue. But there's a point where growth that's over 120% is just getting extreme so NBC has to figure something out.
ReplyDeleteOuch Agent Carter.
ReplyDeleteSadly, I have to agree :(
ReplyDeleteMCJr is improving the night of Fox compared last year. But it is not enough. They need to revamp the line-up next season.
ReplyDeleteBecause Beyond the Tank could do as same for them and they would fix one slot on Tuesday.
ReplyDeleteAlso, Babar, can you do me a favor?
ReplyDeleteNo BTT is not going to be nearly the hit ST is.
ReplyDeleteCan someone confirm me if The Good Wife's order was of 22 episodes?
ReplyDeleteCan you confirm with CBS the episode order for this season of the Good Wife? It seems that Alan Cumming (The actor who plays Eli) spoke of episode 13 and then spoke of only five episodes more, thus my confusion
ReplyDelete*sigh* Agent Carter is being discussed a LOT on social media, it's getting great reviews from fans and a variety of websites. It's simply "not fair" that the official ratings are so mediocre, I never expected huge ratings being a mid-season show AND being up against NCIS, but even I'm a bit disappointed. I still have confidence the show will continue, but it'll be more and more important for fans to be sure they watch legally online and give ABC positive feedback. I think it's going to be up to fans to make a difference here, at least it's possible they CAN.
ReplyDeleteBoth Wikipedia and The Futon Critic say it's 22. Though they are not always the most reliable sources, I don't see why TGW would have less than 22 episodes.
ReplyDelete22 Episodes have been ordered. Maybe he is referring to how many he has left to film?
ReplyDeleteLast time SPN got a 1.5 in HH it had a .9 demo. I guess we'll have to see since it's too hard to predict with just knowing the HH numbers.
ReplyDeleteIt seems to be skewing way differently than last year though. To have a .7 with over 2 million viewers last week is odd. It didn't hit that last year when it went UNDER a million.
Poi is lower than CSI last week...
ReplyDeleteYep, 22 like @DarkUFO said.
ReplyDeleteI'd guess at a 0.8, the HH rating doesnt really help when it comes to SPN.
ReplyDeleteWell, it's against NCIS: NO, not NCIS.
ReplyDeleteThank you!
ReplyDeleteI didn't see it either, hence my confusion. Thank you!
ReplyDeleteI don't think its ever went under a million, it was 1.6ish few times in spring thou
ReplyDeleteHahaha I meant under two million. Whoops :) Editing now
ReplyDeleteThe Middle is not moving to Fridays so just stop.
ReplyDeleteDear, everyone here knows that you would want Dean to disappear anywhere. But you know, Sam is the one who doesn’t want to lose his brother and he proved it once again in this episode. Poor you, Sam doesn’t agree with you.
ReplyDeleteYES the flash!!!! Looks like forever is in revenge's range now and Ouch what the hell happened to POI
ReplyDeleteSPN was pre empted last night for basketball in some places. Hopefully it can atleast keep a 0.8.
ReplyDeleteI'm hoping it was a fluke and it jumps back. We've had weird ratings drops in previous years and then the ratings go back to normal, so here's hoping. I really liked the episode because it focused mainly on Sam and Dean. But I'm a brothers fan and don't care much for a lot of the other characters shown this season, so it's just my view.
ReplyDeleteAnd what about Fridays? ABC wins Fridays solely because of Shark Tank.
ReplyDelete"NCIS Franchise". Both shows get a ridiculous number of viewers.
ReplyDeleteTop 25 Markets 18-49 Demo Ratings have been posted
ReplyDeleteIt was refreshing to have Sam and Dean actually have some real chemistry even if it was Dean centric again with Sam just giving Dean lingering looks and reassurances (without being remotely involved as an active participant) as his season 10 (probably season 11) arc. I actually think the fact that JA didnt have so much time to angst all over the screen made for a much better episode than the past 11. Its just a shame Jared and Dylan wont get more screen time together they had buckets of chemistry and gave back an smiggen of the heart the show has been lacking under Carver.
ReplyDeleteLooking forward to this season being over already, the MOC needs a resolution one way or another instead of dragging since season 9. If Dean's arc is to keep the MOC and learn to control it then why not move on to other stroylines and have Dean show the occassional sign of struggle instead of every episode focused on the sheer amount of angst the MOC seems to be all about? Every episode seems to be the same thing. Dean's struggling shown in his angsting all over the place which Sam tells him he can 'do this'. If Sam is supposed to be going dark to get rid of the MOC then should we be seeing a build up towards that? I guess Sam's part (as little as I'm sure it will be) will kick in after Cain tells Dean that he's stuck with MOC forever?
Personally I want Dean to keep the MOC forever, he wont be able to die so he can hunt forever with as many new friends he finds along the way. Sam dies at a respectable hunter age and goes to heaven to be with Jess and see his parents.
I agree and premiere Beyond The Tank in its place on Friday.
ReplyDeleteHmm, depends on what it is.
ReplyDeleteFuton Critic is usually very reliable.
ReplyDeleteShark Tank should move to Tuesday at 8 permanently.
ReplyDeleteBut then, it would be Friday that would stop working.
ReplyDeleteMy heart bleeds when I see the ratings for Agent Carter.
ReplyDeleteCBS is basically burning off CSI. Person of Interest is getting perfectly normal treatment. And the repeats have nothing to do with how the network feels. CBS has only repeated Criminal Minds once (New Year's Eve) this whole season.
ReplyDeleteHmm. Perhaps. Thank you!
ReplyDeleteUnless Shark Tank gets close to 3 on any other night, I say there is no reason to move it from Fridays where it is getting the same ratings.
ReplyDeleteABC will want to use The Goldbergs as a lead in so The Middle could anchor the night for the rest of its run.
ReplyDeleteWhy when it's doing better on Fridays?
ReplyDeleteAgent Carter lost my attention when it started advertising juvenile nonsense like "bringing men to their knees". I'm sure it's a good show, but somewhere along the way they got it into their heads that female empowerment means male disempowerment. It doesn't, and it's weird that so many people believe it does.
ReplyDeleteI might check it out when it grows up a little bit.
I hope The Flash didn't fall from last week. That's really too bad about Agent Carter, I really like the show and I adore Haley Atwell!
ReplyDeleteReality show that can fix a death slot. Tuesday comedies haven't been working.
ReplyDeleteisnt is usally down from the Top 25, so likely 0.8?
ReplyDeleteOh god, I hope not. It hurts even think about this kind of number. Last week finals were 0.74, so lets hope its not there just yet :( And overnights for SPN are always weird.
ReplyDeleteLooks like Person of Interest is getting a 1.3 again. Sigh. I'm tired of it doing poorly after being preempted.
ReplyDeleteI wish CBS had aired a PoI repeat instead of a new CSI last week.
I'm actually very annoyed that NCIS/NCIS: NO both repeated last week while PoI did not. Now look at what happens. NCIS/NCIS: NO both close to normal levels while PoI sinks close to series lows. It must be frustrating for PoI viewers when it's February and there's only been 1 PoI repeat so far the entire season. Absolutely ridiculous.
0.9 for spn in the top 25 that could mean 1.0 in the final numbers? Spn usually adjusts up? And flash goes between 0.1-0.3 down so its still a good +1.4 for flash
ReplyDeleteSometimes it's higher than the Top 25 (it's had a 1.0 demo with 0.9 T25 at least once this year), sometimes it's not. HH and T25 mean very little with SPN...
ReplyDeletedepends on the show from what i have seen SPN usually goes up, TVD goes down, JTV stays the same so it differs
ReplyDeletethat could be a 0.8 pre-lims then adjusted down in the finals to a 0.7
ReplyDeleteThat's bad for POI.
ReplyDeleteI wanted Parks a little higher. Looks like Flash did well.
Wasn't this the first part of the Chicago crossover? If so, that's a somewhat disappointing number for Chicago Fire.
ReplyDeleteElsewhere, poor POI. Agent Carter notched the same top25 number as the week before, so, hopefully, it stays even. Shark Tank with relatively good numbers as always.
I have to agree with rob.
ReplyDeleteThe Middle won't get moved to Fridays. Tuesdays? Perhaps, if ABC wants to continue the comedy block. On Fridays? Nope.
Well, shit!!! - On one hand you have an amazing show in POI and OTOH, you get this type of ratings. Makes me want to hit things in frustration.
ReplyDeleteSPN is really hard to predict when it comes to HH ratings, I have noticed that the episodes thought to be heavily Dean/JA from the promos and spoilers go up in viewers massively but the demo doesnt necessarily go up along with it.
ReplyDeleteThat does not look good for PoI
ReplyDeleteOBH will not do well with Undataeble as lead-in.
ReplyDeletewhere did I say I wanted Dean todissapear, I just thought that Dylan did a good job and would have made for a nice, new and interesting dynamic. He still played Dean you know?!
ReplyDeleteIt is trying. Undateable did reasonably well by summer standards, so it's giving MM and AAB a break to try it and a new comedy, OBH, its best support, TV. It might prove to be yet another failure, but at this point, who knows? It really just needs one comedy to work, and then it can start rebuilding its comedy line up.
ReplyDeleteDamn POI! Breaks my heart...
ReplyDeleteSome of my guesses:
ReplyDelete- NCIS: 2.7
- Masterchef Jr: 1.8
- The Flash: 1.4-1.5
- Marvel's Agent Carter: 1.3-1.4
- Marry Me: 0.8-0.9
- New Girl: 1.2
- Supernatural: 0.8-0.9
- About a Boy: 0.9
- The Mindy Project: 1.0
- POI: 1.3
- Chicago Fire: 1.5-1.6
- Forever: 0.9
Great job Supernatural!
ReplyDeleteseems right to me
ReplyDelete+ New Orleans should be a 2.3
The Flash looks very high from the top 25 markets for a 1.3 but it could be, of course. These predictions are in no way an accurate method!
ReplyDeleteUps, I had forgotten to include it. I've added. Should get the 2.3 though a 2.4 is actually possible today but hard. We shall see.
ReplyDeleteNo prediction for Shark Tank?
ReplyDeleteNot enough data to help me out in there.
ReplyDeleteWhile I was also expecting a higher result for Chicago Fire, typically in these crossover events it is the second show that gets a big bump, not the first one. Which empirically makes sense. People who watch the first show regularly and have watched the episode will want to see its conclusion but people that just watch the second show will simply tune in as they usually do. As a result the first show has basically its usual audience watching while the second one has the usual audience + the extra people that came from the first one.
ReplyDeleteI'm gonna guess The Flash at a 1.3 and SPN 0.8, aparently CW was pre-emted so downward adjustments possible.
ReplyDeleteChicago PD also has the advantage of a 1.2 or 1.3 lead in vs. a 0.8 to 0.9 lead in. It's set up well for Chicago PD. We'll see if the show can capitalize on it.
ReplyDeleteOkay. Thanks for these anyway
ReplyDeleteFor PD I feel it can go either way
ReplyDeleteI am too. I think that moving it anywhere but Fridays bumps it up at least 0.2, perhaps as high as 0.5 weekly. So NBC is sandbagging its performance a bit.
ReplyDeleteI actually didnt see that 1.7, it does look too high for a 1.3.
ReplyDeleteMy guess is they wanted to have something show well (for NBC standards when The Voice was on break) besides The Blacklist the immediate days following The Superbowl. Chicago Fire/Chicago PD was their only option since it's a few weeks until The Voice returns.
ReplyDeleteLike I was saying in my comment below, I think that cannot happen until the 9pm hour is sorted out. That however is the lineup I would have them doing two years from now. Next year SVU should still be good enough for a final season so have Night Shift take 8pm already but keep Fire on Tuesdays while they keep experimenting with the 9pm hour.
ReplyDeleteI also don't see any other option either but SVU. And since SVU was instrumental in getting Chicago PD established, Chicago Fire was stuck there.
ReplyDeleteI do think that eventually Chicago Fire and Chicago PD will be paired up on Wednesdays. It's just a matter of when NBC feels comfortable moving SVU and when creatively it makes sense to link the two shows back to back.
I see Omabin's point on waiting until the 9 PM is solved to tackle 10 PM. It's a very solid reason. And usually I would agree. But I think that at the very least they could switch Chicago Fire and SVU and they would at least serve the same purpose in each other's timeslots. I think that the advantage with this move is that depending on what NBC puts at 8 PM, Chicago Fire can show a few tenths growth from SVU's current ratings, and that will help out Chicago PD.
ReplyDeleteDoesn't 1.5 for chicago Fire seem low?
ReplyDeleteNot really a disappointing number for Chicago Fire unless if you expected it to do higher numbers just because it was a crossover. This crossover was mainly for Chicago Fire's audience so it is no surprise that those who watch PD but not Fire did not bother to tune in.
ReplyDeleteShark Tank: 1.9
ReplyDeleteAgent Carter: 1.3
Forever: 0.9
Wow at ST! But it didnt help AC or Forever which hit a.series low.
ReplyDeleteHalf-hours:
ReplyDeleteShark Tank: 1.8/1.9
Agent Carter: 1.4/1.2
Forever: 0.9/0.9
NCIS: 2.6/2.7
NCISO: 2.2/2.2
POI: 1.5/1.4
Chicago Fire: 1.6/1.6
Yes. Shark Tank is an amazing utility player for ABC.
ReplyDelete2.2
ReplyDeleteAt least Agent Carter is steady, but I wish it took more of an advantage of its lead in.
ReplyDeleteI want it to do well!
You know what, CBS? Go ahead & cancel POI. By doing that, atleast WB can have an option to shop it to a network who won't treat it like some bastard child.
ReplyDeleteWhat if no one will take the bastard child? What then?
ReplyDeleteIt has a good lead in
ReplyDeleteThe horror! O,the horror!!. :(
ReplyDeleteConsidering the lame state of NBC comedies, maybe, but it would need more over 1s ratings to ensure that
ReplyDeleteAgent Carter drop is worrisome.
ReplyDeleteIs the same drop it experienced last week.
ReplyDeleteSupernatural,The Flash,Person of Interest,Agent Carter
ReplyDeleteI know but it seems 1.2 is the core audience which is very bad
ReplyDeleteI love POI but its decline is its own fault. It has a very good lead-in and not any major competition. It is not being mistreated.
ReplyDeletelol POI
ReplyDeleteLack of advertising, mostly crappy promos, and for all the envelope pushing it does, there seems to be very little support exhibited by the execs in public events.
ReplyDeleteConstant feeling that it's pushed under the rug, in favor of inhouse productions that are no where near it, quality-wise.
Very sound reasoning.
ReplyDeleteWith The Night Shift, I think that if it moves Wednesdays at 8 PM, the audience would be a good fit with Chicago Fire. So that could lessen some of the risk.
Empire is a juggernaut. I completely agree. I'm not sure if Chicago Fire and Empire would cross that much. I think that there's more potential audience overlap in SVU and Empire.
As for The Voice lead in, you are absolutely correct. I'm not sure how NBC would go around that unless they decide to put something else there for those weeks instead of SVU.
Forever. :( Screw ABC and their relationship with Marvel, which has given them absolutely no benefit. Marvel gets weekly commercials for its product, but what does ABC have to show for it? Two shows that don't fit with the rest of their lineup, that are mediocre-at-best live performers? I'm sure they didn't get into this to have shows that people heavily DVR. And the fact that they're allowing both Marvel shows to drag down Forever while letting ancient Castle waste a huge lead-in is absurd.
ReplyDeleteForever is just a regular procedural that didn't bring any thing new and fail to catch on with audience
ReplyDeleteABC did promote it a lot and gave it a special viewing after DWTS
Still pretty strong numbers for The Flash.Happy to see SPN ticked up from season low last week.CF did nicely.Sad for Agent carter,it deserves better numbers IMO.
ReplyDeleteForever tanked on it's own.Who would want to watch another procedural,there are already so many!
ReplyDeleteCBS viewers.
ReplyDeleteI am wondering why these ratings matter anymore? It is obvious that the demographics for viewing has changed. It is no longer the 1980's! I mean 1.0 and below? it seems like very few people under 30 watch any television anymore. Why are advertisers still using a out dated models?
ReplyDeleteI don't think they would change the channels to watch them.
ReplyDeleteI can't let myself believe that or I will get my hopes up. I am so very sad about the show.
ReplyDeleteSmall mercies, man. Small mercies. :)
ReplyDeleteFlash 1.3, SPN 0.9
ReplyDeleteHalf hours: Flash 1.2/1.3
SPN: 0.9/0.8
Here are the 1/2 hr breakdowns
ReplyDelete8:00 p.m.
ABC – Shark Tank
Viewers: 7.12 million (#2), A18-49: 1.8/ 6 (#2)
CBS – NCIS
Viewers: 18.36 million (#1), A18-49: 2.6/ 9 (#1)
NBC – Parks and Recreation
Viewers: 3.57 million (#4), A18-49: 1.2/ 4 (#4t)
Fox – MasterChef Junior
Viewers: 4.81 million (#3), A18-49: 1.5/ 5 (#3)
CW – The Flash
Viewers: 3.48 million (#5), A18-49: 1.2/ 4 (#4t)
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8:30 p.m.
ABC – Shark Tank
Viewers: 7.10 million (#2), A18-49: 1.9/ 6 (#2)
CBS – NCIS
Viewers: 18.86 million (#1), A18-49: 2.7/ 8 (#1)
NBC – Parks and Recreation (R)
Viewers: 2.01 million (#5), A18-49: 0.8/ 2 (#5)
Fox – MasterChef Junior
Viewers: 4.97 million (#3), A18-49: 1.6/ 5 (#3)
CW – The Flash
Viewers: 3.46 million (#5), A18-49: 1.3/ 4 (#4t)
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9:00 p.m.
ABC – Marvel’s Agent Carter
Viewers: 4.54 million (#2), A18-49: 1.4/ 4 (#2t)
CBS – NCIS: New Orleans
Viewers: 16.67 million (#1), A18-49: 2.2/ 7 (#1)
NBC – Marry Me
Viewers: 2.32 million (#5), A18-49: 0.9/ 3 (#4t)
Fox – New Girl
Viewers: 2.99 million (#3), A18-49: 1.4/ 4 (#2t)
CW – Supernatural
Viewers: 2.35 million (#4), A18-49: 0.9/ 3 (#4t)
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9:30 p.m.
ABC – Marvel’s Agent Carter
Viewers: 3.97 million (#2), A18-49: 1.2/ 4 (#2)
CBS – NCIS: New Orleans
Viewers: 16.09 million (#1), A18-49: 2.2/ 6 (#1)
NBC – About A Boy
Viewers: 3.03 million (#3), A18-49: 1.0/ 3 (#4)
Fox – The Mindy Project
Viewers: 2.26 million (#4), A18-49: 1.1/ 3 (#3)
CW – Supernatural
Viewers: 2.19 million (#5), A18-49: 0.8/ 2 (#5)
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10:00 p.m.
ABC – Forever
Viewers: 4.47 million (#3), A18-49: 0.9/ 3 (#3)
CBS – Person of Interest
Viewers: 9.58 million (#1), A18-49: 1.5/ 5 (#2)
NBC – Chicago Fire
Viewers: 6.43 million (#2), A18-49: 1.6/ 5 (#1)
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10:30 p.m.
ABC – Forever
Viewers: 4.28 million (#3), A18-49: 0.9/ 3 (#3)
CBS – Person of Interest
Viewers: 8.80 million (#1), A18-49: 1.4/ 4 (#2)
NBC – Chicago Fire
Viewers: 6.56 million (#2), A18-49: 1.6/ 5 (#1)
Source: Nielsen Media Research
I really hope SPN is up from last week. I know it's already been renewed but I don't like seeing it get crap ratings.
ReplyDeleteI have 4 counter arguments against making the swap right now:
ReplyDelete1. I am not certain the overall ratings balance would be better. Fire would gain some tenths in the move but I doubt it would be enough to offset what SVU would loose from moving at such an old age. A comparable case is probably CSI, an also very old show which was moved to Sundays and fell 33%. I don't think Tuesdays at 10 for NBC are as bad of a slot as Sundays at 10 are for CBS so the fall wouldn't be as drastic but I still think it would be severe.
2. With Empire in place right now on Wednesday, it is probably better of to let SVU bit the bullet for a while and protect Fire for a while longer. Empire is bound to cool down a bit in the next year.
3. The Night Shift would already be moving to Wednesday in that scenario next year and it is very complicated for networks (and risky) to put two moved or new shows back to back like that. I would rather them do it step by step.
4. Despite the horrible lead-ins it gets from the comedies on Tuesday, being placed there also means there every once in a while NBC can use the voice to prop it up and inject it new life. It would be a bit of a waste to do so with SVU due to its age IMO.
How is continuing to give it a good lead in mistreating it?
ReplyDeleteCBS pick CSI to air after NCIS/NCIS NO instead of WB POI. Continued horrible retention and it won't get better. Serves them right after firing "Cookie"
ReplyDeletePOI did worse than CSI last week which had reruns as its lead in.
ReplyDeleteDid NO get a 2.2 or 2.3?
ReplyDeleteOf course, that as well. I am still in awe for Fire for the way it outgrows those horrible lead-ins at 10pm, it is very impressive.
ReplyDeleteExactly!:)
ReplyDeleteI feel they should move it to wed
ReplyDeleteThe Night Shift/Fire/PD
May be true but I don't know any other show they have other than maybe SVU that could replace it in this slot. Fire can only move once they've solved the 9pm problem or else they won't have just one problematic hour but two.
ReplyDeleteThey would collapse Fridays in the process. It is easier to find a show capable of pulling 1.8 on Tuesday than it is to find a show capable of pulling 1.8 on Fridays.
ReplyDeleteThe idea that Beyond the Tank would get there and simply do it is a bit naive and flawed in its essence because if that is the case, why not simply put Beyond The Tank on Tuesdays to begin with?
Just because ABC hasn't found that show for Tuesday (and they already did, they simply slide it down one hour, by the way) doesn't mean they should stop trying.
Syndication deal exists with WGN. They're a strong contender to pick it up.
ReplyDeleteLet's put this way.
ReplyDeletePoI has very solid lead-ins but has terrible scheduling and CBS has shown 1 repeat all season so viewers don't know when the next episode is on. I don't want to say CBS is mistreating POI but they could have handled it better (like not putting CSI on last week when they could have scheduled it any other day). I understand the logistics of why they went with a new CSI and a repeat of NCIS: LA over repeats of PoI but really, they have nobody to blame but themselves for these ratings.
Just look at the two preempted weeks for NCIS: NO/PoI before the new year. The two weeks that PoI got a 1.3, NCIS: NO also saw series lows. The next week after the first 1.3 for POI, all 3 shows (NCIS/NCIS: NO/POI) went up 3 tenths. Same thing happened with the 2nd 1.3 for PoI. NCIS: NO and PoI both saw series lows but NCIS barely escaped (it had a repeat the previous week). After the new year, all shows either saw series/season highs or near season highs.
This week when NCIS: NO finally had a repeat on last week, it is nowhere near series lows unlike PoI.
I am not sure how CBS is mistreating POI?
ReplyDeleteI hate that the flash is declining. That 1.2 in the first half hour is worrying. Strange considering how high it was in the top25 markets.
ReplyDeleteAnyway:
Winners: Shark Tank, NCIS, Chicago Fire
Honorable mention: NCIS New Orleans, Masterchef Jr., New Girl
Meh: Person of Interest, The Flash, Supernatural, Parks and Recreation
Losers: Agent Carter, Forever, The Mindy Project, Marry Me, About a Boy (though I like that it has at least grown from the horrible Marry Me lead-in)
CSI went up against a couple of reruns as well.
ReplyDeleteOuch forever, welcome to revenge range and good that POI is higher than 1.3
ReplyDeleteI think next season would be perfect, SVU i think has at least one season left
ReplyDeleteNCIS: 2.6
ReplyDeleteNCISO: 2.2
POI: 1.4
P&R: 1.2/0.8
ReplyDeleteMM: 0.9
AAB: 1.0
Chicago Fire: 1.6
I enjoy Forever, but do you really think it would do better than Castle if paired with Bachelor?
ReplyDeleteI´m sure it wouldn´t, after all it´s just another procedural and - like Castle - it´s not compatible at all!
And Castle, in its 7th season, does better after DWTS than Forever, in its 1st season, did...
I actually don't understand why they didn't wait to do the crossover once TV returned
ReplyDeleteNice for Shark Tank,NCIS,NCIS NO,Chicago Fire,Masterchief Jr and New Girl.POI is so dead,dropping from 2.2 to 1.4.Also horrible for Agent Carter and Forever.
ReplyDeleteIt's over for the show I am afraid. :/
ReplyDeleteThere are plenty of shows misteated by their networks. POI is not one of them
ReplyDeleteI'm gonna predict SPN will adjust down 0.1 due to the pre-emptions
ReplyDeleteYes About a Boy finally a 1.0.Maybe it could snatch a pity renewal.
ReplyDeletePhew...not a series low for PoI.
ReplyDeleteI'm not going to start anything about Dean or Jensen. If anything I think it's fans wanting to see some kind of plot finally form and I feel people tune out when a guest star is heavily featured and takes over most of the screentime.
ReplyDeleteOuch Flash down more than 500,000 viewers
ReplyDeleteOffensive?
ReplyDeleteBut they increased the 18-34 as they wanted. Based on the half hours, it might revise down.
ReplyDeleteWell in the 18-34 demo, The Flash went up 3 tenths from a 0.9 to a 1.2!
ReplyDeleteMeh? The Flash was up 3 tenths in the 18-34 demo from last week. A 1.2 in the 18-34 is pretty excellent and it did beat Masterchef Jr in that demo.
ReplyDeleteDeservedly so. Last night's episode was the weakest yet and the most offensive.
ReplyDeleteBut was it an actual increase or due to preemption?
ReplyDeleteThat's just awful for PoI.
ReplyDeleteYou are right, I hadn't looked at the 18-34 yet. And Supernatural also increased 0.2 and not 0.1. I will move both to HM.
ReplyDeleteRight. LOL. POI has the 2nd highest-rated (and most-compatible) drama lead-in on the network. No, CSI proved last week, that POI is the problem
ReplyDeleteDrunk Caitlin: "it's ok if you peeked a little. You deserve a peek for all the good you do." :///
ReplyDeleteAlso did not like how they turned Barry into a "nice guy" thinking Iris owed him her affections because he's been nice to her.
POI is breaking my heart.... :(
ReplyDeleteyou can totally tell they are really targeting the show towards males
ReplyDeleteViewers don't mean much. At least it's stable in the demo.
ReplyDeletethe half hours started with a 1.2 which means even the demo is decreasing.
ReplyDeleteThe "you deserve a peek" comment was ... not good. I'm not as upset as some people, but it did make me a little uncomfortable. And I wasn't super excited about Peek-A-Boo's motivation being switched from saving her father to saving her boyfriend who ditches her, although I at least understand that was for the purpose of relating her to the rest of the episode. Still that kinda sucked for the first Flash female villain.
ReplyDeleteGood point.
ReplyDeleteWas the preemption in a big market? Can't find info about it.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with you on the second point. I don't think he thinks she's owes him anything; he just keeps hoping that if he's in her orbit and helping her when she needs him eventually she'll feel the same way about him as he does about her, even though he knows she probably won't. That's pretty innocuous as these things go. He literally used the word "hope" when he talked to Caitlin about it, and derided himself for thinking she'd change her mind, rather than blaming her. I don't see that as him thinking she owes him, so much as him having unrequited feelings that he can't help but hope will someday, somehow, if he does the right thing at the right time, will finally be requited. It's not the same thing, at least to me.
ReplyDeleteI didn't like the line about how every time Iris falls, he races to pick her up thinking it would lead to more. Definitely "nice guy" dialogue.
ReplyDeletePOI went against a highly promoted Chicago Fire this week, first part of a crossover, so I think POI did not that bad. And yes, long break did not help either.
ReplyDeleteCF only got a 1.6, which it has hit or been lower than only twice this season. If it had been up at 2.2 like the last crossover of CF-CPD-L&O then it's understandable.
ReplyDeleteYAY Chicago Fire!
ReplyDeleteBecause advertisers don't care about how many people like a show - they care about how many people they can reach through the show. If you are selling goods to guys in their 30s, and the statistics shows that they don't watch any more tv live, then it doesn't make the maeasuring models outdated, only your advertising policy if you pay time in tv shows regardless.
ReplyDeleteAdvertisers don't need tv, don't need movies, don't need newspaper or twitter ads. They need the most effective mix to reach certain consumer groups, the most people with a certain amount of money. If the best way is the tv, they will use that. If it isn't an effective way anymore, they won't, because they want to sell their products and not finance filming crews.
Yeah ... that feels like you're being nitpick-y about word choice. It seemed pretty clear he meant that wished things would be different, not that he thought they should be different. I mean, he still helped Iris out as The Flash when he'd already made a date with Linda; that says to me he always helped her because she's his friend, if he's still helping her when he's trying to move on. That's just my opinion, of course, but while there were some things that felt kinda sexist to me in this episode, the peek comment included, this particular instance feels like a stretch.
ReplyDeleteIt must have lost a lot of 34-49 viewers.
ReplyDeleteDisappointed for POI, but not really that surprised. The long breaks do little to help it. Three more weeks of uninterrupted POI should see it rise, hopefully.
ReplyDeleteI don't think you need to add 'hopefully' in there. There's no reason not to expect PoI to go back to his normal levels the next 3 weeks. So far all of its ratings below 1.5 are a result of zero to little promotion. I am confident that it will rise next week just like it rose after the first 1.3 and the 2nd 1.3.
ReplyDeleteThere was some talk about preemption for the CW but not sure.
ReplyDeleteDidn't Agent Carter get bumped for some "breaking news" over a train accident on the east coast?
ReplyDeleteWouldn't that have affected ratings?
(I know I'm probably grasping here, but I need this show to come back for S2 and the ratings have been sorta "meh" so far...)
Jesus....how does NCIS continue to get juggernaut numbers?
ReplyDeleteIt's funny, because I was talking to my friend just earlier about how, with any other show that would only play classic rock, it would feel like a "jumping the shark" moment to play Taylor Swift, but a show can't jump the shark when it's been so wacky from the very beginning, lol.
ReplyDeleteFlash has been hitting on all cylinders...great show...and its fun to watch unlike ARROW which is so dreary...
ReplyDeleteWhich was the textbook example of "How To Use Your Best Cards Against Yourself?" and the perfect showcase of what happens when a channel doesn't know its audience and fandom.
ReplyDeleteABC needed Forever very much because Castle won't last forever and they needed a replacement show. But ABC's promotion doomed Forever from the start, alienating the Castle fandom from the show instead of luring them to it.
That's why the L+3 and L+7 ratings usually double, at least, for AC (and AoS when it airs there) - people watch NCIS NOLA live & DVR AC. Most of the networks have said they don't concentrate as much on the L+SD ratings anymore, as they realise that timeshifting and delayed viewing is becoming a bigger and bigger thing.
ReplyDeleteYou have a point, the scheduling of CBS hasn't been great for the entire Tuesday line-up (like the random Decemer episode). And perhaps the lack of repeats plays a role as well. However, there is no real lack of advertising as far as the promos are concerned. After the random December episode, CBS immediately had a promo for the next episode which was airing three weeks later. Ditto with the three week break after the last January episode. There has been no other CBS show that has gotten such an advanced promo this season. Even though PoI is their most serialized drama, airing a promo three weeks in advance must have some advantage. And it paid off for the first January episode, which rose to near season highs. So lack of promotion really can't play a role here.
ReplyDeleteIt actually has had major competition for around a season now: Chicago Fire. When that show turned into a hit, it no doubt took some viewers away from POI. The 2 shows have been neck and neck in the ratings for a while. POI's decline has been its own fault too, though. There have been a combination of factors. Jonah and Greg have not run POI like a typical show. They've taken huge risks relatively quite often and I think those have hurt the show more than helped it. I also think it should be in an earlier time slot. I don't think 10pm was ever a good fit for it.
ReplyDeleteI fucking hate that rating for poi man, last nights episode awesome. i just don't get it, person of interest this season has been putting out some of the best episodes they have ever written and the ratings drop ? its just retarded man and pisses me off.
ReplyDeleteAnd you know what if it does end up being poi's soon, Im gonna enjoy the hell of it while i can, POI is one of the best shows i have seen in years, i haven't had a show i cared this much about since the initial series of 24 ended. it really is something special, masterfully crafted, and amazing acted and written. because honestly the quality of writing on person of interest in season 3 and first half of season 4 alone blows away its two lead ins... sadly numbers determine every damn thing...
ReplyDeleteGreat Supernatural! :P
ReplyDeleteI used to watch both shows. Now I just watch CF. IF Person of Interest were still the show I fell in love with I'd be watching it live and DVRing CF. Now I just need to watch CF Live. Nolan and his new direction turned the show into unentertaining dreck to me. And the promos remind me every time why I no longer watch this show. Tyler's right, POI's decline has been its own fault.
ReplyDeleteNo repeat the previous week can fall under lack of advertizing though. If you're not going to promote your show with a repeat, don't expect your audience to come back right away for the first episode.
ReplyDeleteI think the promo for this episode did its job. It got PoI off its series lows but there's more to advertizing than releasing promos early and right after the last episode finishes. That's only the first shot of advertizing. The easiest way to make sure regular viewers return is to air a repeat the week before in its regular time slot.
For example, NCIS: LA got a 1.5 2 weeks after that 2.0 mid-season premiere. It had a repeat the previous week but CBS switched Scorpion and NCIS: LA's order. Football must have brought in some viewers for Scorpion that week with the new episode but NCIS: LA fell to season lows. If you don't air things properly in the correct spot, how will the regular audience know when their show is on? Of course, yesterday, NCIS: LA gets a 1.7 despite it leading in from a Scorpion repeat but CBS aired a NCIS: LA repeat in its regular time slot the week before.
Again, CBS has nobody to blame but themselves for PoI going below 1.5 this season. Had they handled things better on the scheduling side, we would not be talking about this right now.
So Forever did better than Supernatural? Here's hoping that's enough for them to renew it.
ReplyDeleteglad Forever is improving.
ReplyDeletePerson of Interest is one of the best shows on television and ratings continue to be sub par. These long breaks and little advertising don't do it justice. Damn it CBS.
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