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4 Feb 2015

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  1. TAG2214 February 2015 at 03:13

    Let's see...
    Sam and Dean split up and we follow Dean. Been there done that.
    Dean bonds with the guest star. Been there done that.
    Sam gets taken out of the action after being thrown against the wall once. Been there done that.
    14 year old Dean gets banged against the wall repeatedly but manages to out maneuver the bad guy, grab a knife and stab the bad guy, and then kill the witch (all the while Sam lays on the floor within reach of the knife looking dazed from his one slam against the wall). Been there done that (except for the young age of Dean).
    Dean gets the special goodbye with the guest star. Been there done that.

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  2. Katherine4 February 2015 at 03:22

    Huh. Thats very true.

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  3. lala24 February 2015 at 03:24

    Surprisingly, I enjoyed this episode for the most part. It moved fairly quickly and the kid who was playing Dean was really good. The idea behind the witch transforming adults into kids made sense. It worked for me for the most part. This is actually the first episode I've enjoyed this season.

    I rated it as "Good" b/c there were aspects I did not enjoy.

    I did not enjoy the opening montage w/Dean researching and staring at himself b/c we have seen that several times already. I think that sequence could have been shortened a bit. It also doesn't help that I don't see a real issue w/the MOC. I don't know. It just hasn't been presented as this awful thing that Dean must get rid of immediately.

    I did not find it at all believable that Sam still believed in the Easter Bunny at 11/12. I'm almost positive Dean tells Sam the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus aren't real in AVSC, and that was when Sam was 9! In any event, why in the world would Sam still believe in the Easter Bunny at 11/12 when Dean dropped the knowledge on him at 8/9. That doesn't even make sense and is just indicative of this writer's lack of caring when it comes to canon. I must remember this is the same writer who said Sam was 9 when Dean was 16.

    And I was happy w/Sam up until he was, yet again, rendered completely USELESS! Does anyone remember the last time Sam wasn't knocked out? The last time he was actually written to be a competent hunter? How could little Dean get banged about repeatedly on the floor and then the wall but still recuperate enough to save the day while Sam was knocked into a shelf and was literally KNOCKED OUT for the rest of the fight?!?!?! I know I saw him coming around, but thank goodness, Dean and that girl weren't counting on Sam to save them b/c if they had been, they'd be dead!

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  4. Katherine4 February 2015 at 03:26

    I really enjoyed this one. Love young dean but bothered that Sam was just lying there when he got flown like i was yelling at my tv for sam to get up! Lol ugh

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  5. jane4 February 2015 at 03:26

    I loved it! I couldn’t believe it when the witch turned around and it was Mrs. Patmore, the cook from
    Downton Abbey. That was inspired casting. The Dean and Sam comments and looks were so funny. Just excellent.

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  6. lala24 February 2015 at 03:27

    HAHAHA! I literally just wrote the same complaint.



    I enjoyed the episode . . . in fact, this is the first episode I've liked all season . . . but the writing for Sam was awful at the end. As you said, he was knocked into one shelf and was down for the count while little Dean was banged repeatedly on the floor and wall and still managed to save everyone! How much more useless could Sam get? That was truly sad and pathetic!

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  7. MythAl4 February 2015 at 03:31

    Sadly is the same old, same old. I actually thought it was a good episode and Dylan and Jared were great together, but when they left Sam lying there and 14 years old Dean manages to steal the hexbag, get back to old self and kills both, i was like "how a 14 yrs old teen can be more effective than a 30 yrs old experient hunter?". This took away my enjoyment. And I have to ask - are we going to see all monsters being defeated by Dean because of the MoC from now on? And Sam staying there doing nothing? If the outcome is always predictable, where is the fun?

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  8. TAG2214 February 2015 at 03:41

    Oh yeah, I should have added:
    Opening montage of Dean's life. Been there done that.
    I knew I forgot something.
    I was annoyed at the useless montage but did like the episode until the ending. So much disrespect for the character and actor.


    I also had a problem with Sam believing in the Easter bunny until age 11 1/2. This is after he learned about Santa at eight.

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  9. chris6844 February 2015 at 03:42

    This. I liked it. I wanted to love it, but the humor just didn't have te edge it used to have in earlier seasons. I was rolling my eyes at the Easter Bunny comment. I was thinking, this is the same Sam who saw through John's crap at age 9, believed in the Easter Bunny at 11? I must be becoming numb to the Sam knock outs, because I was more annoyed that this was allowed to turn into one more example of how Dean sacrificed everything for Sam. If the MOC wasn't on Sam before, it is now. Argh.

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  10. Jamie Gardner4 February 2015 at 03:46

    because he wasn't 14 yo teen, he was 35 yo dean in the body of a 14 yo, meaning he had all dean's experience and knowledge.

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  11. chris6844 February 2015 at 04:05

    Yeah, it's the same emotional manipulation Glass threw out a year ago in Bad Boys to absolve Dean of any responsibility.

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  12. lala24 February 2015 at 04:06

    Yup! I hated Bad Boys. This one was better than that but still had its issues!

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  13. lala24 February 2015 at 04:26

    He was still physically a teen . . . . and a rather slight teen at that. That man outweighed him by 100 pounds so he should have been knocked out much more easily than Sam!

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  14. Claire McCrorie4 February 2015 at 04:26

    I haven't enjoyed an episode that much in a long time :-)

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  15. Robanah4 February 2015 at 04:26

    Great episode! However.... never thought in the history of the show that they would play Taylor Swift!!! SPN just lost 10 points!

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  16. elle j.4 February 2015 at 04:26

    I've never really seen an episode and thought ... Wow, could Sam be any less helpful. That is until this episode. It was glaringly obvious as Sam sat up and fell back down several times. Then the point had to be driven home when Sam thanked Dean for "pulling a Dean Winchester" and saving him. By all means, have Sam thank Dean but don't make it sound as though Dean is the only one to ever put himself on the line for his brother. Sam is just as good of a hunter as Dean and just as loyal as his brother. This show really needs to find the balance between the brothers as well as the supporting cast. Another problem I had was that Dean didn't even think for a second to have Tracy take hold of the hex bag so she could also be an adult again? I know he was in the middle of a fight between Hanzel and the witch, but if teen Dean can take down those two then he could have thrown the bag to Tracy so she could break the spell. It was just too neat and clean to have Tracy gladly accept her second chance at life. I guess the writers had to drive home the point once again that the Winchesters have dedicated their lives to being hunters while saving countless people, yet never get a break themselves.

    I did, however, really enjoy teen Dean and the interaction he had with Sam. I also liked the interaction Dean had with Tracy as both adults and teens.

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  17. lala24 February 2015 at 04:27

    Yeah . . . I was rolling my eyes during the montage. They have been so careful and selective w/this MOC story that I honestly don't see it as that huge of a problem. Dean is NOT in a blood lust or a crazed frenzy. On the few occasions he was going to act, someone told him to stop, and he stopped. What is the big deal about the MOC?



    That Easter Bunny comment really ticked me off. Sam would NOT have believed in the EB at 11/12. He just wouldn't have. I wish this writer would look at past Wee!Chester scripts if he's going to continue to write about them as kids! Actually, he just needs to watch SW and AVSC.

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  18. lala24 February 2015 at 04:27

    Good point! I didn't even think about the sacrifice element. You're absolutely right about the MOC being on Sam now that Dean sacrificed himself - yet again - to save Sam.

    Would it have killed AG to show Sam saving Dean for once? To show Sam as a competent, capable hunter?

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  19. elle j.4 February 2015 at 04:27

    That's it. Dean did take away Tracy's choice. I know he didn't do it intentionally, but Dean still did it. For that matter, I would think the spell would've been broken when the witch died because she was the one who cast it. That's how it seemed to work in the past on this show with various demons, vampires, witches, etc. Consistency doesn't really seem to be a strong suit with these writers though.

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  20. MythAl4 February 2015 at 04:27

    But the point is his body WAS 14 yrs old. He got banged several times and still got the upper hand. Meanwhile Sam...

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  21. lala24 February 2015 at 04:27

    Welcome to the club :-)

    I have been feeling Sam has been especially useless all season long. I love Sam, but nowadays, I often wonder why he is even there. He's not contributing much of anything, IMO. He can't fight or take a punch anymore. He doesn't have advice to offer, IMO. He's just useless and weak. I'm not sure why he's being written in this manner. It's a disservice to the character.

    When Dean stuffed that hex bag in the witch's mouth, I also thought about poor Tracy. I'm not sure why Dean did that. They could have had him save the bag and have Tracy voluntarily choose, to remain 14. Dean took away her choice. She had no choice but to accept it. Why did AG have him do that?

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  22. Ginger4 February 2015 at 04:40

    Not a classic like Tall Tales or Wishful Thinking, but pure fun. No Charlie. Teenagers who could act and weren't brats. Fast paced and tied into the mytharc. I liked it a lot.

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  23. les4 February 2015 at 04:49

    Ok Adam Glass just because you like Taylor Swift doesn't mean a character that was established 6 years before you got here do. Should of gave Dean something along with Rock. In I know you believed in the Easter Bunny till 11, but I highly think Sam did. See that's my problem with this regime, they seem to want to put themselves so much in this story. So they bend their personalities in tweak things. But it just don't work cause these characters been around for ages.


    Sam may not even know his ABCs since they took over. I also don't like how they have to take away a character strong points to fit what they are doing. Even though I liked the episode, I just see stuff like that as a on going problem. I want to see Sam and Dean in all their glory in future episodes, with no manipulation of writer traits or get weaken when a guess star is present.


    I give this episode a 8. Because I did like the pacing and the dynamic of Sam and Young Dean. Way better then last week.

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  24. Robanah4 February 2015 at 05:02

    I'll admit that it was a funny scene, but everyone watches the show for classic rock :P lol

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  25. lala24 February 2015 at 05:10

    I thought the same thing. I didn't want Dean to burn the hex bag but then I thought the spell might have been broken when the witch died. But as you said canon and consistency aren't important to this regime!

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  26. Bruce_F4 February 2015 at 05:23

    Yes. All of this, basically. Even as a kid Dean still plays hero while Sam gets KO'd and rendered useless. How the hell is Sam made to be so much worse at hunting than he was four or five seasons ago? Plus, season 4 Dean would have kicked this Dean's ass for liking Taylor Swift. Tearing apart long-standing character traits for disposable humor is unacceptable.

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  27. Shannon4 February 2015 at 05:26

    I thought it was okay. Idk I didn't get that same Dean vibe that iI felt with the other previous Young Deans in past seasons. The kid who played him definitely had the Dean faces down, but idk, it just felt a little off. Maybe it's just me. Shrugs. It was still ok. I did love how Dean loved Taylor Swift's Shake It Off though, the ending scene was hilarious. I also didn't like that Sam layed there for like ten minutes, while 14 yr old Dean Got his ass handed to him, got up in 3 min, stabbed the guy, and for some reason, somehow ended up Saving Sammy. Like what??? Sam should've been able to take that dude on. That just bothered me.

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  28. Bruce_F4 February 2015 at 05:26

    The only good part of this episode were the performances of the two kids. They were great. The episode was not.

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  29. Ginger4 February 2015 at 05:27

    I hope we don't get too many more of those, although it fit where it was played. I also hope they didn't blow the music budget on a Taylor Swift song. I want my classic rock....and I am positive Dean does, too.

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  30. Ginger4 February 2015 at 05:27

    I think you people missed the entire point of the episode in worrying about Sam being on the floor and not having a big enough part. There was a very important reason for it; one that I liked very much.

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  31. Ceryle4 February 2015 at 05:27

    Ha. The last scene made me laugh out loud. That's definitely going down as one of my favorite music bits in Supernatural.

    Otherwise, it was OK. Good stuff first: Dylan Everett was again stellar as Dean. His interactions with Sam were the highlight of the episode, from Dean's typical TMI to his inability to formulate a comeback. Classic brother banter, and Everett nailed Dean's emotions and mannerisms.


    Tying the MOC into Dean's transformation caught me off guard, but in a good way. Of course Dean would notice the mark was gone, and of course he would consider keeping the status quo. Clever, but not contrived, way of keeping this ep relevant to the mytharc. Good job, Glass.


    On the other hand, terrible job of creating a scenario to force Dean back into his 36-year-old self. Saving Sam, cool. Whatever. The brothers have each other's backs. Saving Sam because Sam is just lounging on the floor watching the action unfold like he's at the half-price matinee? No. Sam's physically capable. He's determined. He's smart. If you're going to sideline him, at least give him a visible, debilitating injury. But even then, the guy has fought through injuries, too. Both brothers are seasoned fighters, and yet they've both been in seriously pathetic situations more than once this season. I'd love to see smart, strong, combat-savvy Winchesters again.


    Also in the what-happened-to-the-Winchesters department: Sam learns that monsters are real (and Santa's not) when he's 8 (A Very Supernatural Christmas), and Dean recognizes yarrow at the crossroads and knows its purpose in pagan rituals in Season 2 (Crossroad Blues). The boys are smart, writers. They really are.


    Better pacing than sometimes, great guest stars. Surprisingly poignant scenes at the bar early in the episode. And a beautiful callback to alien probing (was hoping for a crack about slow dancing, but alas). Fairly boring direction. And anyone else miss the "comedy elevator music" we used to hear during funny scenes? I was waiting for that throughout the episode (especially when young Dean showed up at the motel) but never got it. Lately the soundtrack has included a lot more silence. But "Shake It Off" might have made up for it this time.


    Still immensely enjoying this season, but I won't re-watch this one soon.

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  32. Shannon4 February 2015 at 05:38

    Eh, the kid was good. Don't get me wrong, but i Still didn't get the vibe though. And when he started going after Hansel, and the witch, I knew where the rest of the episode was going with Tina. It was just too noticeable. (Well predictable). I did like young Tina though. She was cool.

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  33. lala24 February 2015 at 05:42

    My sister who is a casual viewer and doesn't read the boards at all made the same comment! Haha! She said, "Sam was a better fighter a few years ago. What happened to his fighting skills?"



    Out of TWO villains, they couldn't even let Sam take ONE?!?!? Ugh!!

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  34. iabanon4 February 2015 at 06:33

    The kid playing Dean was amazing. He did a really stellar job.

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  35. iabanon4 February 2015 at 06:37

    my favourite episode this season. I was really despairing how boring I was finding it so far.

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  36. ivan4 February 2015 at 07:42

    yeah it's weird hearing modern songs on Supernatural LOL

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  37. ivan4 February 2015 at 07:42

    yeah he got Jensen Ackles' mannerisms down pat

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  38. Hellboy4 February 2015 at 08:12

    Still doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to lift the hex bag off of Hansel. It's not that Sam was knocked out, he was immobilized. And so was teen Dean, once he changed back the Mark took affect.

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  39. Hellboy4 February 2015 at 08:17

    There's no canon that says if a witch dies, their spells are reversed.

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  40. Hellboy4 February 2015 at 08:21

    Actually Jensen has admitted to being a Taylor Swift fan. One of the things they are a loud to tweak on the show are the character nuances, so if Jensen felt it was wrong for Dean to like Taylor Swift, then he could have easily had that end scene changed,

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  41. Hellboy4 February 2015 at 08:26

    To be fair, even Kripke forgot about Yarrow after season 2.

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  42. Hellboy4 February 2015 at 08:26

    Jared may still be recovering from his shoulder injury, which is why he hasn't been as physically active as Jensen.

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  43. Hellboy4 February 2015 at 08:27

    Well, he took a year off and then was slowly dying. Would make anyone rusty.

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  44. Hellboy4 February 2015 at 08:38

    Well, they actually cast Sam as 9 and Dean as 14 in that ep, they only made Dean 16 after the fact.

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  45. sharonally4 February 2015 at 08:41

    Dont be silly Adam is Dean when he writes him. He also seems to think young Sam was not aware of the world he and his family lived in the monsters around every corner, and he lived in a fairyland of Easter Bunnies and aeroplanes.

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  46. Ross4 February 2015 at 11:27

    Best episode for a long time! I know I ride casting a fair bit for their casting of generic Canadian extras as main guests but damn, kudos to whoever cast the actor who plays young Dean as he does an incredible job of playing that character. He shows all of the mannerisms that Ackles shows.

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  47. lala24 February 2015 at 12:27

    Hahaha . . . ain't that the truth? In his world, Sam was clueless until about 18 it seems. Too bad canon contradicts that belief but AG doesn't seem to care!

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  48. lala24 February 2015 at 12:27

    That was not very clear. I didn't see either as being immobilized. Sam was a TKO from the first toss into the shelf. Dean just banged about repeatedly but managed to help himself. If they were indeed immobilized, it should have been more clear.

    Plus, how immobilized could they be w/Sam trying to get up but still seemingly dazed and stunned and w/Dean lifting his arm to show off the hex bag he stole. Yeah . . . . I don't think they were immobilized.

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  49. chris6844 February 2015 at 12:57

    Sam's been magically healed, and he didn't seem even half as rusty after taking about 3 years off in college. Dean also didn't stay rusty for long after emerging from hell and after taking a year off with Lisa. Sam's rusty because it's convenient for the writers to keep him knocked out.

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  50. Ceryle4 February 2015 at 13:11

    True. The unimpeachable Mr. Edlund forgot his canon at least once too. It happens to the best (and not best) of them.

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  51. chris6844 February 2015 at 13:17

    He did do a good job.

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  52. Nick4 February 2015 at 13:27

    What exactly was the point of the episode? More blind Dean adoration? I know that Glass sees himself as a teen Dean and writes episodes accordingly, to the extent that absolutely every character has to worship him and thank him and praise him and whitewash everything he does to the extent that it's not only unrealistic but it's beyond nauseating.

    Was the point of it to highlight that every other character on the show treats Dean so much better than he has ever treated them? If this was season 4 (or any season) and the roles were reversed, Sam would already have been locked in the Panic Room with Dean upstairs, moaning and whining into his glass of whiskey while deciding whether or not he should execute his brother.

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  53. Michele Klinger4 February 2015 at 13:27

    It was a great episode by far! I don't know if I would have loved it as much if Teen Dean wasn't as good as he was. You could totally tell that he watched episodes of the show to get down Jensen's mannerisms and dialogue delivery.

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  54. lolita1234 February 2015 at 14:24

    I think the situation had to be dire enough for teen Dean to feel he had no choice but to revert back. So that meant Sam needed to be saved - if Sam had any chance at all of winning, Dean wouldn't have been desperate enough to take on the Mark again.

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  55. lala24 February 2015 at 14:26

    I agree w/you in that I do not think this episode had a larger point or purpose. I think it was just filler that loosely connected Rowena to some other witches. Nothing was said about the MOC that I can remember.

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  56. hlnkid4 February 2015 at 15:14

    Loved love loved this episode!! Every tiny little thing about it. This might be my favorite of the season so far. Kudos to all involved for such a fantastic hour of television.

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  57. lala24 February 2015 at 16:00

    I'm sorry but Sam took a year off in S8, and he was slowly dying in S8. He has been back "in the game" for about 2 1/2 years now and has been fighting since S9. That's no excuse for his poor fighting skills last night. It was just bad, plot point writing when it didn't need to be. The same beats could have been hit WITH Sam being shown to be a competent hunter/fighter.

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  58. chris6844 February 2015 at 16:27

    The only long term point is that Dean now has the mark as a sacrifice he made for Sam rather than as a consequence of his tendency to not directly face his emotional issues. The story was significantly dumbed down.

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  59. lala24 February 2015 at 16:27

    Oh, I agree. I just think they could have handled it differently.

    For instance, let Sam take out Hansel who didn't seem to have any magical powers. Then, have the witch cast a spell on Sam that chokes him out, suffocates him, makes him throw up blood, or otherwise renders him incapacitated. That way, Dean would feel compelled to revert to his adult self to save Sam. And Sam doesn't come off as so useless in that scenario.

    And if they didn't want to do that, they could have had Sam thrown completely out of the house and down the road or something. Or show Hansel hitting him in the head w/a crowbar a couple of times if you want it to be a TKO. Anything would have been better than that ONE toss into a shelf. We've seen the brothers come back from being thrown much further distances and into much larger shelves before so what was Sam's issue last night? He was down for the count after that, and it made him seem really weak, IMO.

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  60. Hellboy4 February 2015 at 17:17

    A nine-year-old playing with a toy, how inconceivable.

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  61. Nick4 February 2015 at 17:26

    I thought that came across more as Dean once again looking for the easy way out rather than actually facing up to what he did and, shock horror, apologising and trying to make amends.


    Dean really needs to realise that it's not sacrificing for someone if the other person doesn't want you to do it in he first place. That's the biggest problem with Dean, he does all these things that benefit him, decide they are 'for Sam', and then gets up on his 'Poor pitiful me' high horse when Sam dares to call him on it.


    At least the Sam of old would, this Sam would probably thank Dean for stabbing him in the back, and apologise to him for smearing blood all over his knife while doing it.

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  62. Indy4 February 2015 at 17:27

    It was better than I expected. The kid is a good actor. The jokes were funny like they used to be in the early seasons. Overall a very good MotW episode.

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  63. Ginger4 February 2015 at 17:33

    I usually hate anything Adam Glass writes, especially Bad Boys, because it was so obviously (and admittedly) an author insert. However, I purposely did not explain the point of the episode as I saw it, because it would be a waste of time spent on poor Sam woobie fans who constantly, and for years now, whine that Sam never gets a story, Sam never gets a fair share, Sam never gets any friends, Sam never gets to drive the Impala, blah, blah, blah.

    In other words, nothing said would satisfy the poor Woobie Sam fans. I will say that Sam is playing a very important part in the season's arc, I like it, and I think a bigger role for him is slowly unfolding.

    The purpose of the episode was not hard to figure out for those that watch for the story and not to see what their favorite character gets to do. It was clearly stated in the narrative.

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  64. Nick4 February 2015 at 18:42

    In other words, you got nothing. And instead of attempting to get something or even replying in a halfway decent, respectful manner you respond by throwing the usual petty, childish names. I don't know why I expected any better.


    And speaking of 'woobie' fans complaining about lack of storyline, you might cast your mind back to the last few seasons, and how board after board was flooded with complaints about Dean's perceived lack of storyline, with your complaints forefront among them.

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  65. lala24 February 2015 at 19:37

    True. That's a good theory.
    If there was a larger point to this episode, it was lost on me. And, no, that's not b/c I was crying in a ball b/c Sam didn't have anything to do (haha) or whatever nonsense some want to say. It was b/c I didn't feel we learned anything new. They loosely connected Rowena to some other witches.
    To me, everything is building to Dean saving himself. That's what I'm getting from all these episodes, but not much else. And that makes sense b/c Sam can't save himself, let alone Dean.

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  66. lala24 February 2015 at 19:38

    What's up w/the sarcasm, Sheri? Was that really necessary? I was actually interested in your response but you had to go there, huh?

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  67. sharonally4 February 2015 at 19:52

    Pot calling the kettle black . Have not Edg,s esp been moaning from day 1 because they thought Dean was entitled to the mytharc

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  68. kerinda5 February 2015 at 00:27

    yes and that's the main reason I did not watch the Ep I am sick of the Useless Sam I can't watch a show that treat's there star Character like shit sorry I tried but got pissed off again. And the Ratings are proof that maybe other people are getting tired of it too. A .08 come on here.

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  69. kerinda5 February 2015 at 00:30

    WHAT? they Played Taylor Swift Now I know there is something wrong with this show if there playing this Shit Eric K would have none of this if he still had the show.

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  70. TAG2215 February 2015 at 02:16

    Exactly! Now it's Sam's fault that Dean still has the mark. Charlie called him an albatross last week and that's exactly what he has become. Very poor characterization.

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  71. TAG2215 February 2015 at 02:18

    I bet Sam is going to turn so dark that Dean will save himself so that he can then save Sam.

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  72. TAG2215 February 2015 at 02:24

    They are very careful to make sure we do not see Dean take out any innocents. Couldn't risk having the fandom turn against him for years like they did Sam.

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  73. San Summer5 February 2015 at 02:26

    I get that as far as tying Sam’s hands at the front instead of tying his hands behind his back because that put less strain on Jared’s shoulder. But even when Sam was wearing a sling, he did much better in fights. Probably because the writers were forced to write Sam that way since Dean was either not in the scene or Dean felt shaky about killing right after being cured.

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  74. D Fink5 February 2015 at 02:37

    I watched this episode with the sound off and I thought it was okay until the end when Sam basically did nothing again. Loved seeing Dean researching the mark again. How many times have they researched it now and found nothing? Sam had months and he could not do anything in that time, but torture demons, cry and look at pictures of Dean's family.
    I wish the writers would have had Sam turned into a little kid at the end when Dean turned back into a man. Jared could just take the rest of the season off and little Sammy could stay in the bunker with Castiel and Crowley taking turns as his babysitter.
    If all the writers love Dean's character so much, then why don't they just kill Sam's character already and get it over with. I'm sure Castiel, Crowley, Cole and how many other characters could take his place.

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  75. lala25 February 2015 at 02:37

    I know, right? It makes for a very boring story, IMO. As someone who loves both brothers, I would not be upset w/Dean for killing an innocent or two while under the influence of the Mark. Heck, I've been waiting to see him in a blood lust or crazed frenzy, and it hasn't happened yet. Sadly, I don't think it ever will!

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  76. lala25 February 2015 at 03:13

    I could definitely see that happening. Carver is still going around talking about the "dark" things Sam will do to save Dean so I wouldn't be shocked!

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  77. San Summer5 February 2015 at 03:13

    To me, everything is building to Dean saving himself. That's what I'm getting from all these episodes, but not much else. And that makes sense b/c Sam can't save himself, let alone Dean.

    Ah, that’s why those who are purely Dean-girls are getting so excited!

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  78. lala25 February 2015 at 03:27

    I'm sure they are!

    I actually don't have a problem w/Dean saving himself. At this point, I just want Sam to have an "active" support role in this story instead of the ridiculously passive one he has. And it would be nice to see Sam save Dean for once, but that is clearly not going to happen.

    I'm over this season and its stories. I'm ready for a new season w/new (and hopefully better) stories.

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  79. San Summer5 February 2015 at 04:14

    Maybe Dean put the hex bag in the witch’s mouth so she couldn’t cast any more spells.

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  80. SPN Fickle5 February 2015 at 04:14

    But there is for when the hex bag is burned.

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  81. Hellboy5 February 2015 at 04:46

    And I learned at a much younger age that my dad could get shot and killed. It was something that weighed on my mind, but I didn't stop being a child and suddenly give up childish things.

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  82. Hellboy5 February 2015 at 05:27

    That just stops the spell, doesn't reverse it.

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  83. San Summer5 February 2015 at 06:46

    The episode went by pretty quickly although about halfway through I did consider taking a break.

    I can imagine teenage Dean getting a kick out of his little brother still believing in the Easter Bunny but Sam lost that kind of innocence back when he was eight years old.

    The actress who played adult Tina was also good and not just a typical babe.

    Regardless of going through puberty again, when did teen Dean have time to get horny?

    The bad guys thought that taking children would draw too much attention but I still think that it was weird that they chose Tina and Dean. Maybe Hansel had learned that Tina didn’t have much of a life but kidnapping Dean made even less sense.

    At first I thought that Sam was trying to free Tina in the middle of a fight. I found that odd since the bad guys should be taken care of first. Turns out that Sam didn’t even manage to get up. That surprised me. I guess I didn’t expect Sam to be completely out of the fight so I thought that he would at least be able to free Tina even if that course of action wouldn’t have been the most logical at that point in the fight.

    Sam thanked Dean again in a manner that reminded me of Bad Boys. Is that Adam Glass’ move and if so, why?

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  84. lala25 February 2015 at 12:26

    I think he was just angry and shoved it in her mouth w/o thinking about Tracy. He was clearly shoving her in the oven so I think that would take care of any more spells she tried to cast :-)

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  85. lala25 February 2015 at 12:27

    I'm sorry but we are talking about Sam Winchester, not you. Your situation is completely different from Sam Winchester's. Sam was incredibly smart and curious at 8. He had clearly stopped believing the lies Dean and John told him, which is why he took John's journal and read it. In AVSC, Dean tells Sam that monsters are real. I cannot recall if Sam asked about Santa Claus or if Dean told him, but in that episode, he learned that Santa Claus was NOT real. Sam's innocence and naviete was loss after that Christmas. I'm sure John, upon learning that Sam knew the truth, dropped the ruse. He probably just started telling Dean and Sam the truth about where he was going and what he was doing. We know that he gave Sam a gun when Sam was afraid of the monster under his bed. We know that while Dean was killing a werewolf w/John at 16, Sam was waiting in the car by himself at 12 - the age where he supposedly still believes in the Easter Bunny?!?!? That's silly. It is not at all believable that THIS CHILD would still believe in the Easter Bunny nearly FOUR years after learning that Santa Claus wasn't real but monsters were. And do we honestly believe John ever took them on any Easter egg hunts?!?!?!!

    AG is a crap writer when it comes to Sam. He has ignored Sam's background that was clearly established years ago. That's why he portrayed Sam as a moronic loser playing w/a toy airplane out of the window at 9 when most agree Sam would NOT be doing that. It's clear he never watched CF's portrayal of Sam who seemed weary and knowledgeable beyond his years. In AG's mind, Sam was innocent and clueless until he left for college or whenever AG thinks Sam got in on the fight. That's simply not true.

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  86. spnmonster5 February 2015 at 13:48

    Yeah, the knocked out/tied up Sam plot device has worn pretty thin, but given that this ep was written by Adam Glass who has a big ol' hard on for Dean, I thought he did pretty well writing Sam who got that great moment bouncing the bartender's head off the bar and some really nice lines with Dean. I count the small things these days because I know Sam won't get big ones.

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  87. spnmonster5 February 2015 at 14:27

    That wasn't "Charlie" that was the dark part of her, and I for one suspected for quite a while that Charlie had certain criticisms of Sam that she were coming through in passive-aggressive ways -- the "sorry about your luck with the ladies" comment for example. She pretty clearly did admire Dean more. I don't think it was poor characterization at all.

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  88. spnmonster5 February 2015 at 14:27

    I completely disagree about the woobie fans, but I do think that Sam is playing a very important role by supporting Dean and having more faith in him that Dean has in himself. Dean is also looking to Sam as an example of someone who has hit rock bottom, made terrible mistakes and come back from all that as strong as ever.

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  89. spnmonster5 February 2015 at 14:59

    Young Sam asked Dean if Santa was real in "A Very Supernatural Christmas" and Dean confirmed that Santa wasn't real but monsters are. That was 1991. Sam was eight. I highly doubt that Sam would have continued believing in the Easter Bunny till he was 11 1/2. It's worth noting here that Carver wrote AVSC and should have corrected Glass on the continuity error.

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  90. spnmonster5 February 2015 at 15:01

    Yeah, but Castiel's feet weren't held to the fire after breaking Sam's wall, releasing the leviathan, Godstiel massacres either. They just had him take on Sam's burden, which he caused, and then brought him back with mental illness so he could get sympathy from fans. Pfft.

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  91. spnmonster5 February 2015 at 15:06

    Glass needs to actually watch the first five seasons so he'll have a better understanding of Sam. I hand it to Robbie Thompson for doing so during hiatus this year.

    I don't care how Glass wrote it. Dean made his choices, not Sam. Dean is responsible for having the Mark. Period.

    Glass didn't have to have Sam save Dean in the ep. I understand why Dean needed to make the decision and the save. But he didn't have to have Sam get knocked out of the fight either. There were other options. The repeated use of tied up/knocked out Sam is a an overused plot device by the writing team in general.

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  92. spnmonster5 February 2015 at 15:11

    I think he stuffed the hex bag in the witch's mouth to keep her from casting a spell.

    I don't think that Sam has been useless. His support and faith in Dean have been instrumental in Dean trying to stay on the right path. His advice to Dean last week about part of the power having to come from him was important. I don't have an issue in how Sam is relating to Dean at all. My issue is with how Sam is rarely an active part of the plot. I guess we're lucky that Glass had the scene where Sam bounced the bartender's head off the bar to show that he is still capable of being a badass.

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  93. spnmonster5 February 2015 at 15:16

    I agree. I hated that airplane moment. Dean was arguably the most important thing in Sam's young life. The person most consistently there for him. In AVSC, Sam cried over the thought of monsters killing his him, John or Dean. Yet we're to believe that Dean was missing "on a hunt" for two months and Sam wasn't worried. He wasn't excited to be reunited with his brother that night? He was just playing with an airplane? Stupid.

    Glass does not understand Sam in any meaningful way, and he doesn't care to. He's a Dean fan. Period. No one on that writing team is a Sam fan, and it pisses me off that Carver, who wrote AVSC, let Glass get away with these kind of bullshit characterizations of young Sam.

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  94. spnmonster5 February 2015 at 15:18

    Of course they blew the budget. Why do you think we've gotten obscure ELO and James Gang the past two weeks. It's unbelievable how they've claimed budget limits prevent them from using more classic rock or bigger names and then they turn around a spring for a TS song.

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  95. spnmonster5 February 2015 at 15:26

    Dean has certainly shown questionable taste in music before -- REO, Bon Jovi, Air Supply. It's been kind of an irony and running joke that Dean criticized Sam's taste in music and then Sam looks aghast when Dean starts singing along to these "guilty pleasure" songs.

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  96. spnmonster5 February 2015 at 15:37

    Regardless of going through puberty again, when did teen Dean have time to get horny?

    Fourteen-year-old boys don't have to be horny to get erections. That was Dean's point. Boners for no reason at all. They just happen.

    I think Sam thanking Dean in both of those situations made sense, it is odd. I don't know if there was supposed to be a parallel except that Sam still appreciates Dean looking out for him and thinks it's important that Dean knows that. I mean, Sam used to kind of bristle at Dean constantly be the "Big Brother," and maybe took it for granted to some extent. He doesn't anymore. He knows how much Dean gave up to look out for him as a kid ("Bad Boys"), and he appreciates that Dean still does it ("About a Boy"). Dean needs to know right now that he's important to Sam and others if he's going to fight for himself.

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  97. San Summer5 February 2015 at 16:08

    No one on that writing team is a Sam fan, and it pisses me off that Carver, who wrote AVSC, let Glass get away with these kind of bullshit characterizations of young Sam.

    I’m starting to believe that Carver had a lot of help from Kripke and/or other writers when he wrote A Very Supernatural Christmas. I mean, he is praised for writing Mystery Spot but it doesn’t sound like he had a deep understanding of the characters.

    E! News: Even though Sam and Dean have both died so many times in the past, each new time (like Dean dying and becoming a demon) is still so heartbreaking. Do you have a favorite death that will always stick out in your mind as the most heartbreaking or memorable?
    Jeremy Carver: This is going to sound crazy, but there's an episode I wrote called "Mystery Spot," and it was a lot of fun to write it. There's a lot of drama in it in the idea of Sam having to watch his brother die so many times. It wasn't until I watched the episode that it really hit me just how devastating that was. It was like hundreds of thousands of times having to watch this, and that was a pretty heavy one for me to watch.

    So Jared made Carver look good. In addition, the characters being stuck in a time loop made the situation more dramatic automatically. Hell, maybe Emily McLaughlin gave invaluable input to the script.

    But what really makes me suspect that Carver is given too much credit for writing for Sam and Dean is that Jensen and Jared decided that the brothers should hug at the end of Mystery Spot!

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  98. San Summer5 February 2015 at 16:19

    Fourteen-year-old boys don't have to be horny to get erections. That was Dean's point. Boners for no reason at all. They just happen.

    Sure but it’s a bit of a stretch considering the situation he was in (escaping from near death and hauling ass back to the motel so he could help Tina who he had had to leave behind). Then again Dean had been chomping down cake even though it had been served to him by the person who had kidnapped him and turned him back into a teenager. Dean doesn’t even care for cake all that much if 7.03 The Girl Next Door is any indication.

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  99. spnmonster5 February 2015 at 16:23

    I tend to agree with you that Carver had a lot of direction from Kripke. It's hard to believe that the person who wrote Mystery Spot decided as his first act as showrunner to have Sam not look for Dean and do such a terrible job of showing the reasons why. There are still fans that don't understand how traumatized Sam was by Dean's death and think, like Dean, that he just hit a dog and hooked up with a girl.

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  100. spnmonster5 February 2015 at 16:27

    Dean prefers pie, but I think Dean just likes food in general. Funny thing is he never learns when it comes to drugging/poisoning. He just chows down without thinking.

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  101. San Summer5 February 2015 at 17:52

    I tend to agree with you that Carver had a lot of direction from Kripke. It's hard to believe that the person who wrote Mystery Spot decided as his first act as showrunner to have Sam not look for Dean and do such a terrible job of showing the reasons why.

    Maybe Mystery Spot Sam was born out of need to get to that darker Sam who would do anything to save Dean from Hell. Since Carver wasn’t planning that kind of arc for Sam like Kripke had, Carver had no use for the characterization of Sam as someone who could become so single-mindedly focused on getting his brother back that he could even lose himself in the process.

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  102. spnmonster5 February 2015 at 18:30

    Right. I can't find it, but I read an interview with Carver where he said that he approached season eight and said, "What if Sam didn't look for Dean?" That sounds more like he did it on a whim and only later tried to make is sound like he was showing that Sam had learned from his mistakes.

    To be honest, despite the fact that Jared for one told him that the fans wouldn't like Sam not looking for Dean or the Amelia storyline, I think Carver was taken by surprise by the vehemence that approach was met with by fans. He became defensive about Sam's storyline, which again was told really poorly.

    I've re-watched S8, hard as that was, and I can put Sam's story together from the clues and see that he had a breakdown. He fixed up the Impala and drove, for months. He wasn't with Amelia anything near a year. He said so. He happened to hit a dog and was forced to stop. The problem is that the narrative gave more weight to Dean's pain and interpretation of what happened because Sam appeared OOC. It wasn't until episode eight, "Hunteri Heroici" that we got an objective view of Sam from Amelia's dad and saw how messed up he was by Dean's death.

    I can look back and understand the beginning of S8, but I'll never enjoy it with all that ugly brother conflict or what was essentially a misunderstanding by two traumatized people. If only it had been presented that way.

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  103. lala25 February 2015 at 18:47

    You'd think, right? That was such a glaring mistake that I wonder why Carver didn't object. In what world would a nearly 12-yr old Sam believe in the Easter Bunny?!?!? Only in AG's world I guess!

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  104. lala25 February 2015 at 19:02

    It was definitely an arbitrary decision. During S8, I read an article/interview w/Carver where he admitted that everyone knew Sam would look for Dean so he wanted to explore the idea of Sam NOT looking for Dean.
    The problem is he never actually wrote a story for Sam. There was no story around Sam's decision to not look for Dean. It was just something Sam did. Carver couldn't even be bothered to explain why Sam thought Dean was dead. We couldn't even get that much out of him! Did we ever get a reason for Sam abandoning Kevin the way he did? Or even Meg? We got nothing except Sam driving around for weeks until he hit a dog. That's it!
    That "story," and I hate to call it that b/c it was not a story, was crap!

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  105. lala25 February 2015 at 19:07

    You know, I have never re-watched S8 so I can't say how I would feel about it now. I thought the story for Sam was wildly OOC, and having only seen it the one time, I feel like Sam's "story" was lost. It was never really clear to me why he believed Dean had died, nor was it clear - to me at least - that he had suffered a mental breakdown.
    I don't know. The story was so poorly told. I believe the majority of fans hated it. But you are right that Carver dug in his heels. I remember him still being asked about the story well into the Spring and him responding angrily. I'm not sure what he expected. He threw Sam under a bus for no reason and crapped on the brotherly bond. Did he expect fans to like that crap?

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  106. lala25 February 2015 at 19:19

    The repeated use of tied up/knocked out Sam is a an overused plot device by the writing team in general.
    Esp. when it is done back-to-back! Sam was tied up and passed out last week. He is knocked out this week. It's repetitive and boring. Do something NEW w/Sam.

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  107. lala25 February 2015 at 19:27

    I think you are absolutely correct! I began to feel the same way during S8. With the awful, OOC way he handled Sam, I began to suspect that Carver was not the inspiration for those episodes we remember so fondly. I think Kripke was came up w/those ideas, and Carver just put Kirpke's thoughts/ideas on the page.

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  108. lala25 February 2015 at 19:27

    My issue is with how Sam is rarely an active part of the plot.
    That is my issue as well. I think it is great that Sam is supporting Dean and having faith in him, but the way in which they have Sam do it is very passive to me. I love Sam, but I don't think he is vital to the show this year. He feels useless. There's only so much support he can give, and there's not much else going on w/Sam these days. He doesn't say or do much IMO. If he weren't in the next few episodes, would anything really change for the characters? Probably not.

    I think he could be more ACTIVE in his support of Dean. I love both brothers but I can't say I'm enjoying the writing for Sam.

    JMO though. YMMV.

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  109. lala25 February 2015 at 19:27

    Agreed!

    You know what also bothers me? There was a huge friggin' sign outside of the group home that 9-year old could have (and would have in the Kripke years) read!

    Argh . . . . . AG writes Sam like a moron.

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  110. CyanaT5 February 2015 at 20:14

    I think he could be more ACTIVE in his support of Dean. I love both brothers but I can't say I'm enjoying the writing for Sam.
    I agree. There's a problem if I can imagine Castiel - as Dean's Besty/another hugely important person in Dean's life - being given similar understanding and pep talk as the dialog Sam's been given in the last two episodes in particular. Between Glass and Thompson recent episodes (in reality many Glass episodes) Sam is indeed a bumbling albatross around Dean's neck.
    A very small part of me hopes this has been deliberate - depicting Sam as so physically inept while being supportive in his words - in preparation for some truly badass Sam in later episodes as he more forcibly explores ways to help Dean. OTOH, given what has been discussed before (re MS/the S8 debacle/and Carver's recent short statements about Sam) I don't trust Carver to not turn Sam into a far more monstrous creation than DemonDean or MoCDean ever was.

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  111. CyanaT5 February 2015 at 20:25

    Not that I didn't like some of the 'Broments' between Adult and Teen!Dean and Dylan was fantastic as teenDean again, I can't tolerate more useless Sam so not that I ever wish for SPN to not get great ratings for a show in its 10th season when I saw that 0.8 I thought 'good' - it didn't deserve higher for so obviously taking a lead character out of action.

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  112. CyanaT5 February 2015 at 20:29

    I thought that too but that's what stunt doubles are for - to take major hits. Sam didn't even get to untie Tina onscreen while Dean was fighting with the Witch,

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  113. CyanaT5 February 2015 at 20:44

    I agree. OldDean in 'Curious Case' only survived and got younger because Sam beat Patrick at Poker and he voluntarily reversed the spell; the husband in 'Malleus' and Jenny in 'Dr. Phil' still were choking and would have died if both Winchesters weren't there - one to look for and destroy the Hex bag and the other to help the victim.

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  114. sharonally5 February 2015 at 21:02

    Sam could not take on Spongebob at the moment. I fear for him if a acorn ever fell on his head he would be in a coma for a year .

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  115. San Summer5 February 2015 at 21:43

    I wish the writers would have had Sam turned into a little kid at the end when Dean turned back into a man. Jared could just take the rest of the season off and little Sammy could stay in the bunker with Castiel and Crowley taking turns as his babysitter.

    Hah, I hadn’t even thought of that! They built the show’s brand so strongly on the two brothers so they need Jared for that but I can imagine some of the writers welcoming not having to come up with something for Sam to do and say. Maybe Dean is more fun to write for, the character practically writes itself.

    They wouldn’t even need Colin Ford, they could just cast some random brown-haired little boy and show some “cutesy” moments like Lucky Charms being Little Sammy’s favorite food in the whole wide world. And Dean could use the kid as an in to talk to women he’d be interested in. Sam was never much of a wingman anyway. De-aged Sam would still serve the character’s most important function i.e. be the object of Dean’s affection.

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  116. sharonally5 February 2015 at 22:23

    I think people need to realize that finding that journal changed Sam's childhood and while it is nice to believe that Sam had some childhood Dean never had , he simply did not.

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  117. kerinda6 February 2015 at 00:40

    It make me miss the DB Sam I loved him and Soulless Sam awww they was good times.

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  118. lala26 February 2015 at 03:08

    Hahaha :-)

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  119. CyanaT6 February 2015 at 04:54

    "AfterBuzz" interviewed Dylan and the gal who played teenTina after 10.12 aired. The full YouTube interview - it's close to 40 minutes - is linked on TheWinchesterFamilyBusiness site and there's a partial t'ranscript' on IMDB Supernatural in the thread called "Jared's acting advice to Dylan'. (The interview is referenced in other threads but this thread is the least buried in other topics.) Dylan gives Jared a lot of credit for helping him to keep 'Adult Dean' in Teen Dean's body in character. Naturally Jensen praised his outstanding performance, too.

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  120. spnmonster6 February 2015 at 14:13

    I don't get the feeling that Carver is involved with the writing team on a day-to-day basis the way Kripke and Gamble were.

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  121. spnmonster6 February 2015 at 14:15

    From what I've seen of Glass's tweets, his weakness is that he judges Sam and Dean on himself and his own kids when Sam and Dean weren't ordinary kids. He's really interested in Dean and cares about his characterization. The same can't be said for his attitude toward Sam.

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  122. spnmonster6 February 2015 at 14:44

    If there's one episode in S8 that is essential to understanding Sam's backstory, it's "Hunteri Heroici." Amelia's father immediately saw in Sam what he'd seen in soldiers traumatized by war. He said that Sam and Amelia were living in a dream world and Sam pressed the scar on his hand as he did when suffering from hallucinations as though questioning his own sanity even then.

    Sam's story wasn't told at all well because many fans who focused on Dean's PTSD didn't recognize that Sam also had it and suffered survivor's guilt as well. Sam and Dean were in emotionally very similar places when they got back together.

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  123. Sean6 February 2015 at 17:17

    Adam Glass is a Dean self-insert. It's only natural that Dean would be the one to get all the interaction, kills, big moments and speeches about his 14 year old penis....

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  124. Sean6 February 2015 at 17:56

    I think a lot of people just don't want to see things when it comes to Sam. It makes the 'Sam is such a terrible person' so much easier to argue. People are still fixated on 'Sam hit a dog and that's why he didn't look for Dean' idea (regardless of how implausible that is) rather than the 'Sam thought Dean was dead' idea which was stated. The problem is that unless Dean sees it, understands it, and acknowledges it, then it didn't happen. Dean didn't know about Sam with Mystery Spot, in I Know What You Did Last Summer, all he took from it was that Sam had sex with Ruby, he doesn't know that Sam took on his Hell memories to help Dean in 'The Man Who Knew Too Much' accepted Lucifer to save Dean in 'Repo Man'. The situation in season 8 is the same. It doesn't say much about Dean's faith in his brother that he would so easily believe that Sam just didn't bother looking for him.

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  125. Hellboy6 February 2015 at 19:02

    Well, how do explain 10-year-old Dean still wanting to go and play arcade games/have some fun in "Something Wicked"? By your thinking he should be above those childish things.

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  126. chris6846 February 2015 at 23:21

    Jumping in here, but this is kind of talking about two different things. One is how long they retained their innocence and believed in things like Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. The other is whether they have a playful side. On losing their innocence, the story suggests that Dean lost his innocence about the time his mom died. Sam lost it when he was 8 and learned monsters are real. The second (having a playful side) is more about their personalities. Dean still has a playful side, whereas Sam was a serious, focused little boy even as an 8 year old.

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  127. Jamie Gardner7 February 2015 at 00:11

    If the point was his body why did you say 30 yr old "experienced" hunter? that's got nothing to do with body size.

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  128. lala27 February 2015 at 02:06

    I agree. He seems to take a hands off approach to the show.

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  129. lala27 February 2015 at 02:07

    Thank you!

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  130. lala27 February 2015 at 02:09

    And that shouldn't be happening! These characters aren't versions of the writers. They have their own traits and history. I'm sure AG did believe in the EB at 11/12 so of course, Sam does. Who cares if that makes NO sense given Sam's history and what we've been told about him?!?!

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  131. lala27 February 2015 at 02:23

    It doesn't say much about Dean's faith in his brother that he would so
    easily believe that Sam just didn't bother looking for him.


    True but I can't believe blame Dean for thinking Sam didn't look for him.


    The writing was very frustrating IMO b/c Sam never defended himself or responded with a "I thought Dean was dead" when anyone got on him about not looking for Dean. It was weird. Sam thought Dean had died. Now, while I think that story - in and of itself - is ridiculously stupid and makes no sense, that was the story so why didn't Sam ever mention that when someone criticized him for not looking for Dean?!?! Instead of ever saying this, they just had Sam remain quiet and look sneaky and shady.


    Carver tossed Sam under a bus w/that crap story. I've decided that they didn't want Sam giving the natural response of "I thought Dean was dead" b/c then Dean couldn't be legitimately upset w/Sam. How does it look to have Dean keep harping on Sam for not looking for him when Sam already said he thought Dean had died. What would Dean be requesting at that point? For Sam to sell his soul for him? How would that look? No, it was better for the story for Sam to look guilty and remain mum about his actions. I love Sam but he was hella shady in early S8, which is why I say he was thrown under the bus. On some forum, I began calling him Pod!Sam b/c he didn't even seem like the character I had been watching for the past 7 years.

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  132. CyanaT7 February 2015 at 19:10

    Thinking and looking back, the way I see it, Show 'has' Sam's injury healed by 10.05 when Sam/Jared ceased wearing the sling. So regardless if the show is still making fight scenes physically easier for Jared, ' on 'Supernatural' Sam should be back to full fighting strength and abiliy. There is zero reason storywise why 'Sam' still has to put out most physical action since 10.05, not when there are stunt doubles whose job is to take the hard hits.

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  133. Lubbeelou8 February 2015 at 17:39

    I thought it was her!! aha :)

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  134. Lubbeelou8 February 2015 at 17:40

    I have loved the past couple of episodes! If only they could be like this all the time!... I am so sick of Crowley and his mother!

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  135. TAG2219 February 2015 at 23:45

    I meant poor characterization for Sam, not Charlie. Sam is not an albatross and writing him as one is poor characterization.


    I agree that Charlie has been taking potshots at Sam for some time.

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