What are they doing with these characters?? Truth be told I feel like Felicity is more the Felicity that we all know and love around Ray than she is with Oliver and the rest of Team Arrow lately.
She definitely is - he doesn't come with all the drama Team Arrow does these days. Apparently he's now the only one who trusts her judgment (I'm guessing she rightfully tells Oliver he's a dumbass for going to Nanda Parbat to save Malcolm, and that because of that she's on the outs with Oliver and Diggle). Being around Ray is probably a nice reprieve from being around the gloom and doom of the foundry.
I just wish they'd set this up as something...I don't know, other than what they have. When I found out Felicity was going to have a love interest this season, I hoped it would open up some interesting conflicts for her, like maybe the guy was just some normal dude, and she'd be conflicted over choosing two different kinds of lives. But she just got Oliver lite in an Iron Man suit.
Seriously. Since she's helping him out with his suit and he obviously enjoys the salmon ladder like Oliver does, if she'd seen him shirtless again in her capacity as helping him with the ATOM suit, it'd be okay (although I'd prefer he get himself a base of operations to do that so he wasn't doing it in his actual office).
But purposely walking out in nothing but a towel when someone who works for you is standing in your home and had expressed previously that she wanted to keep things professional between the two of you is icky. I hope they've had a conversation about feelings or whatever prior to that so that Felicity's put romance back on the table, but give the conversation they have in the clip, I don't think so.
It would take such minor tweaking to not make this so...off. And yet...
Okay, Barry in Oliver's body or a nerdy scientist in a quarterback's body. That wasn't my point - point is that she's trading in one vigilante for another one. I think it would've been more interesting if she'd dated someone who wasn't a vigilante - maybe someone like Ray who did good in other ways (like he did when he first showed up, by giving away free electricity and giving up his salary to help the homeless). It's just a cheap way to set up drama between Oliver and ATOM, and it makes her storyline not her own.
She seemed uncomfortable to me, but I'm fairly certain that's not the way it was supposed to play. I think she was maybe supposed to be a little flustered and pointedly not looking at his body rather than not looking at his body because she was uncomfortable.
If I'm supposed to invest in it, I wish they could (or could've, I guess) gotten this right.
She is, but the Felicity "we" know and love is not the one the shipper base wants. The bitchy-winy-aggressive Felicity is who the Olicity fandom wants.
If she says something like that one more time, I'm going to have to shake her!! AND Ha! Got one quote guess right. It was Ray to Felicity, of course it was.
Really? I'm a fan of Olicity up to S2. Had they just taken their time with the 2 of them and not gone from 0-60 in that first episode there would not have been any need for more romance on this show where she is concerned. ITD gotten to the point where I miss Laurel being the only annoying whiny person on the show.
well the other thing I want is the arrow defeating the ATOM to teach him a lesson you need more than a suit you need to learn how to fight without the suit
It was not bad as I thought from the comments :) Van Gogh in the office? I like you very much Ray but nothing can beat Oliver in a towel from the pilot episode.
Once upon a time there was a fan who never thought she would be FF Felicity's scenes. But then a creepy ogre came to the kingdom and latched himself to Felicity and the FF button became the fan's new bff.
Lol he tries so hard. I like the dinamic between Felicity and him, he is not sutile in his "flirting" it's like he doesnt even know what he is doing. Lets see how this goes Im excited to see his suit works.
I was starting to like Ray and that relationship more, then this happens. One of the worst problems that they have is that they aren't really making that relationship into a relationship for it's own sake. It's just Ray doing whatever Oliver sucks at. Oliver doesn't give Felicity the right job; Ray does (although, that part I liked, because your assistant, Oliver?). Oliver runs away from Felicity; Ray pursues her relentlessly (with phone pinging!). Oliver says he can't be with anyone; Ray kisses her. Oliver shuts down emotionally; Ray is open about his past relationship. Oliver runs away to a big fight without her; Ray brings her into his hero mission, without being about to bleed to death to persuade him. And now Oliver is apparently ignoring Felicity's judgment on an issue, and who is now telling her he relies on her judgment? Ray! The only time these two got to develop their own dynamic was when Oliver was gone. Otherwise, Ray isn't a character. He's just the guy who is conveniently does all the things that Oliver doesn't. Which is a shame, because when Ray was allowed to be his own person for about five seconds, I actually liked him. He was fun.
Every time this season does one thing right, it's gotta do something else completely wrong.
It was my attempt at a small double entendre joke. "You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers" is a slogan popularized by American pro-gun people. And since you wanted to use it after she blew her head of, that would mean doing exactly that.
I think it's safe to say that Arrow brought on Ray Palmer for all the wrong reasons and has went about using him in all the wrong ways. The character is all wasted potential.
Yes, but I let myself have hope that they were going in a better direction after the arc. Why did I hope? This season is not a season for hope. This is a season is like a roller coaster at a sketchy amusement park You went on thinking it would be as fun as it looks, but then you hit those first messy curves and realized someone making this thing committed some structural errors; so you hunker down, hold on tight, appreciate the things that are fun as they happen while trying desperately not to knocked off the ride by all the rough patches on the track, and just pray that the next roller coaster you ride is better. You don't hope that this one's going to get any better than what it is, because it won't.
This is a weird metaphor, but I like it and I'm going for it.
well I don't think they will go that far unless they want a drop in ratings olicity has big fan base I'm specking at a logical point I'm not big fan of olicity but the story of has been good until recently my point is not logical to do it
My metaphor goes like this: Ray Palmer is a mine field. I'm sure there's a way to navigate safely through it but it's obvious Arrow doesn't have the map. So, the only way to assuredly prevent serious damage is to avoid it altogether which they should have done in the first place.
Metaphors are fun. I can't wait to see (in the most sarcastic way possible) what kind of land mines we run into once we actually see Oliver and Ray interact, or when the ATOM suit starts working - is it like a faux Iron Man, or are they actually going to shrink the guy, and how is that going to work visually on Arrow? So many opportunities for KABOOM!
I thought they had problems in the first season with their romantic storyline - and they did - but this Ray thing is just not working out.
But also Tommy and Sara would be alive. The undertaking wouldn't happen. Isabel wouldn't take over QC. Palmer wouldn't be here. Laurel's life wouldn't be hiding towards that mask. Damn it Oliver it's all your fault.
Save Ray's wife (fiancee? I don't remember) and then either A) making sure that restaurant that Olicity have their first date in never gets blown up or B) that Oliver never asks Felicity out in the first place. Whichever floats his boat. Kill that will they/won't they stuff before it ever starts, because they either will or won't and we can on with it.
Since killing Malcolm will save Sara, I think that's the end of my list. Because Sara being alive means that they can bring the LoA into the show somehow in a more organic way; then, if they need to kill her, they can do it in the midseason finale - she actually dies, Oliver almost dies - and we have nine more episodes of Sara! Win/win.
I'm sold. To make it easier, they could just make sure Ray is too late to make the pitch meeting to Queen Consolidated so he never takes over the company and doesn't have a reason to stick around.
Agreed. His death was well timed and was used in a great way by the show - an organic, believable motivator for Oliver to stop killing, along with the Undertaking, of course. It was a great example of how to do a TV death well, and even though I liked him, I wouldn't undo it. Plus, season two was so good. I'd never want to undo anything that happened during it, although they'd have to find another way to get Moira out of jail with Malcolm. Eh, details. Barry could find a way.
Eh. There's always a price to pay when messing with the past. If Malcolm dies on that rooftop like I want, I know that Thea will likely die in that train station but even though I like Thea I'm willing to let it go if it could fix this mess.
I agree that his death served a greater purpose but I will always want him on the show. I also wanted to see him and Thea together after they find out that he's her brother.
True, and that way he might still be the Atom some day, but I'd feel bad. He'd be all floundering because he can't get the suit to work without Felicity (apparently) and he has all the grief and he has no company to help him with resources ... he's not a bad dude. Plus, what did she (his whatever she was) do wrong? Let her live, and everyone's all happy. I apologize for all the extra legwork, Barry (hee. Legwork? Cause of running?), but I just want Ray gone ... er, happy.
I would say Ray is a great "concept", because we know nothing about that character thanks to this forced relationship, wich is pointless... Oliver and Felicity are already apart because of the Malcolm thing. Why this then? Why not use this time to delve into Ray's background.
As of this point, the character did nothing in the whole season... That's why i want him to have his own show. The character could be great if given the chance.
It would be nice to use the character of Ray for more than bad romance. The truth is this relationship is pointless. The only reason for this relationship to happen is to drag Oliver and Felicity's until the end of the season, but they are already apart because of Oliver's fetiche with Malcolm. It's prime objective is gone...
Why is this relationship becoming romantic then? Why not use the screentime to develop Ray's character? Right now he is a great concept, but one that did nothing in 14 episodes, so far. Brandon Routh is great and deserves better material...
You said "bad romance," I heard Lady Gaga, and now someone has to make that fan video.
Agreed. I wish he could go all Shaw (from Chuck, if you didn't watch that) and become more relevant. It worked the first time he had to play place filler in a will they/won't they relationship; the Arrow writers should take a page from the Chuck writers book.
Yeah as much as I prefer Oliver and Felicity, I could maybe get more on board with Ray and Felicity being a couple if he wasn't so creepy about it. I like their interactions, especially when they're being all nerdy and enthusiastic about stuff but at other times its just ew. Like this scene, or when he's working out in his office...its like he NEEDS Felicity to see him shirtless as much as possible. (At least when Oliver's shirtless its because he's working out in a non-work environment). ALSO the whole thing with him tracing her phone to the hospital when Diggle's kid was born and again when he traced her phone to Verdant. (Sidenote: Felicity's phone is way too easy to hack for someone with her background). NOT to mention the whole "oh here's this expensive dress I bought for you to wear to our work dinner and here's this insanely expensive necklace to wear too" thing made Felicity out to be weirdly shallow which seemed out of character. ANYWAYS if they really want to make them a couple they're going about it in a really unappealing way so hopefully that changes
Oh, yes! I love Chuck! I just feel that his character did nothing in 14 episodes other than be good at what Oliver sucks. It's like the writers are using him to show that, yet every time he says something like that, Felicity puts Oliver in the picture: "I can think of one" at Ray's "I can't think of a man that regrets kissing you" or this "well, you would be the only one" at Ray's "i trust your judgement".
I NEED TO SEE THAT SUIT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i really missed Brandon Routh, forget you naysayers hating him for no reason other that shipping and nothing else
Not at all true. The Olicity moments in seasons 1 and 2 are what we "shippers" want. The natural progression, the lightheartedness, not this ridiculous angst created by the writers to draw out the storyline and increase drama.
"Why not use this time to delve into Ray's background."
For an consolation, I believe the 19th episode is going to be Ray-heavy. But for what's it worth, what else do we need to know about Ray Palmer besides his motivation for wanting to be braver and tougher because of the death of his fiancee and then him slowly moving on because of his affection towards Felicity.
But Ray Palmer, as a "concept" for this season, I think makes sense because Ray Palmer will most likely end up either succeeding as both Ray Palmer and The Atom, thus a contrast to Oliver Queen who CAN'T succeed as two personas(and I think, by the end of the season, he will hang up the green hood once more but this time try to put his focus on Oliver Queen), or Ray Palmer will end up leaving, being inspired by The Arrow's actions, maybe once he finds out that he's Oliver Queen and leave Palmer Technologies in Starling City open for Ollie to jump back into the business world again(which, again, fit into my idea of how S3 will end).
I hate Ray and I hate how Felicity behaves around him and accepts his stalkery creepy behavior. I'll also never forget how she was happy and cheerful when Ray changed QC's name and logo and she didn't consider how hurt Oliver would be.
He's in a towel, JUST a towel, and she's uncomfortable, CLEARLY, but he doesn't care, he's just saying "Sometimes I forget I work with you." (Mind you he's not getting a shirt while he's realizing this) then says, when iI'm with you, it's just you.....that's it.
See, all that energy could be spent compiling theories, fan art, rewatching videos. Get some sun; you don't have to cower in the shade to avoid what you're not willing to be a part of. Acceptance provides comfort...
There is no "real" sun, only that which you choose to perceive. The sun is different to all who partake in its light. Let everyone enjoy their own version of the sun without attempting to throw shade into their paths.
Isn't he supposed to be dealing with the loss of his wife? I really can't stand this stalker he has to have some other endgame other than being Iron Man. All I've seen of him is stalking Felicity and nobody not even her comments to him about it.
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ReplyDeleteWell you mentioned the video so it's your fault. We should be attacking you hahahaha
ReplyDeleteWhat are they doing with these characters?? Truth be told I feel like Felicity is more the Felicity that we all know and love around Ray than she is with Oliver and the rest of Team Arrow lately.
ReplyDeletehaha go ahead :P
ReplyDeleteSomeone needs to give this man a sexual harassment seminar.
ReplyDeleteShe definitely is - he doesn't come with all the drama Team Arrow does these days. Apparently he's now the only one who trusts her judgment (I'm guessing she rightfully tells Oliver he's a dumbass for going to Nanda Parbat to save Malcolm, and that because of that she's on the outs with Oliver and Diggle). Being around Ray is probably a nice reprieve from being around the gloom and doom of the foundry.
ReplyDeleteI just wish they'd set this up as something...I don't know, other than what they have. When I found out Felicity was going to have a love interest this season, I hoped it would open up some interesting conflicts for her, like maybe the guy was just some normal dude, and she'd be conflicted over choosing two different kinds of lives. But she just got Oliver lite in an Iron Man suit.
You know I won't lol
ReplyDeleteMight be the only one but I love Ray
ReplyDeleteSeriously. Since she's helping him out with his suit and he obviously enjoys the salmon ladder like Oliver does, if she'd seen him shirtless again in her capacity as helping him with the ATOM suit, it'd be okay (although I'd prefer he get himself a base of operations to do that so he wasn't doing it in his actual office).
ReplyDeleteBut purposely walking out in nothing but a towel when someone who works for you is standing in your home and had expressed previously that she wanted to keep things professional between the two of you is icky. I hope they've had a conversation about feelings or whatever prior to that so that Felicity's put romance back on the table, but give the conversation they have in the clip, I don't think so.
It would take such minor tweaking to not make this so...off. And yet...
Not only that but can't he see that she's uncomfortable??? It's sickening.
ReplyDeleteOliver lite? Lol I see him more like Barry w Ollie's body or even better nerdy scientist in a quarterback body n nothing wrong w that
ReplyDeleteNo you're not alone I like him too but I also really think Brandon is adorable.
ReplyDeleteI cant get the video to work what's on it
ReplyDeleteBrandon is adorable
ReplyDeleteYou're lucky. I wish I could unsee that scene.
ReplyDeletewhat ray hitting on her again
ReplyDeleteWhile he's wearing only a towel!
ReplyDeleteOkay, Barry in Oliver's body or a nerdy scientist in a quarterback's body. That wasn't my point - point is that she's trading in one vigilante for another one. I think it would've been more interesting if she'd dated someone who wasn't a vigilante - maybe someone like Ray who did good in other ways (like he did when he first showed up, by giving away free electricity and giving up his salary to help the homeless). It's just a cheap way to set up drama between Oliver and ATOM, and it makes her storyline not her own.
ReplyDeletesound like he wants to seal the deal
ReplyDeleteShe seemed uncomfortable to me, but I'm fairly certain that's not the way it was supposed to play. I think she was maybe supposed to be a little flustered and pointedly not looking at his body rather than not looking at his body because she was uncomfortable.
ReplyDeleteIf I'm supposed to invest in it, I wish they could (or could've, I guess) gotten this right.
you called it!
ReplyDeleteArrow is supposed to break the internet twice today, so....Ray/Felicity marriage proposal?
She is, but the Felicity "we" know and love is not the one the shipper base wants. The bitchy-winy-aggressive Felicity is who the Olicity fandom wants.
ReplyDeleteI like him way more than Oliver and pretty much every other character on this show right now
ReplyDeletePlease don't say that. I'm disgusted enough already.
ReplyDeletesorry, I just saw the video it was weird
ReplyDeletewell I guess Oliver will be more well like again in time but for now they need him hated for drama reason
ReplyDeleteThat's one way to describe it. Sigh
ReplyDeleteWhat's worse than what Ray does is that the producers think that's romantic and charming.
ReplyDeleteIf she says something like that one more time, I'm going to have to shake her!! AND Ha! Got one quote guess right. It was Ray to Felicity, of course it was.
ReplyDeletewell I'm waiting for the moment when ray lose the company to see how he feels on the other side of things
ReplyDeleteI'm waiting for something entirely different to happen to him.
ReplyDeletelike what lol
ReplyDeleteWell you can guess it lol but I'll settle for Oliver punching his lights out
ReplyDeleteReally? I'm a fan of Olicity up to S2. Had they just taken their time with the 2 of them and not gone from 0-60 in that first episode there would not have been any need for more romance on this show where she is concerned. ITD gotten to the point where I miss Laurel being the only annoying whiny person on the show.
ReplyDeletewell the other thing I want is the arrow defeating the ATOM to teach him a lesson you need more than a suit you need to learn how to fight without the suit
ReplyDeleteAwesome, it looks great!
ReplyDeleteAnd a piece of chalk, so he knows his boundaries and where not to cross them. SIGH! I wish she'd tell him that she's uncomfortable.
ReplyDeleteHow can she? He's dreamy and charming and let's not forget that he's Barry in Oliver's body!
ReplyDeleteYES!
ReplyDeleteI like him very much. But I need him to interact with more characters. He is really funny.
ReplyDelete*Puts gun to head and pulls trigger*
ReplyDeleteCan I use it when you're done?
ReplyDeleteIt was not bad as I thought from the comments :) Van Gogh in the office? I like you very much Ray but nothing can beat Oliver in a towel from the pilot episode.
ReplyDeleteThey're in his home.
ReplyDeleteOh. That makes sense.
ReplyDeleteOnce upon a time there was a fan who never thought she would be FF Felicity's scenes. But then a creepy ogre came to the kingdom and latched himself to Felicity and the FF button became the fan's new bff.
ReplyDeleteI think you have to pry it from her cold dead fingers first...
ReplyDeleteStill I need her permission to use it. Unlike Ray I respect boundaries and I don't know how attached she is to the gun.
ReplyDeleteLol he tries so hard. I like the dinamic between Felicity and him, he is not sutile in his "flirting" it's like he doesnt even know what he is doing.
ReplyDeleteLets see how this goes Im excited to see his suit works.
I was starting to like Ray and that relationship more, then this happens. One of the worst problems that they have is that they aren't really making that relationship into a relationship for it's own sake. It's just Ray doing whatever Oliver sucks at. Oliver doesn't give Felicity the right job; Ray does (although, that part I liked, because your assistant, Oliver?). Oliver runs away from Felicity; Ray pursues her relentlessly (with phone pinging!). Oliver says he can't be with anyone; Ray kisses her. Oliver shuts down emotionally; Ray is open about his past relationship. Oliver runs away to a big fight without her; Ray brings her into his hero mission, without being about to bleed to death to persuade him. And now Oliver is apparently ignoring Felicity's judgment on an issue, and who is now telling her he relies on her judgment? Ray! The only time these two got to develop their own dynamic was when Oliver was gone. Otherwise, Ray isn't a character. He's just the guy who is conveniently does all the things that Oliver doesn't. Which is a shame, because when Ray was allowed to be his own person for about five seconds, I actually liked him. He was fun.
ReplyDeleteEvery time this season does one thing right, it's gotta do something else completely wrong.
It was my attempt at a small double entendre joke. "You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers" is a slogan popularized by American pro-gun people. And since you wanted to use it after she blew her head of, that would mean doing exactly that.
ReplyDeleteaww gotta say cute
ReplyDeleteDamn. Hahahahahaha
ReplyDeleteI think it's safe to say that Arrow brought on Ray Palmer for all the wrong reasons and has went about using him in all the wrong ways. The character is all wasted potential.
ReplyDeleteToo bad this isn't a Grimm's Fairy Tale. If it were, Nick Burkhardt could show up and cut the ogre's head off.
ReplyDeleteSure. We can use the same gun, it'll be poetic. LOL
ReplyDeleteMaybe ... its because Felicity dies.
ReplyDeleteshe's at Diggles wedding though
ReplyDelete... and the ship keeps sailing.
ReplyDeleteYes, but I let myself have hope that they were going in a better direction after the arc. Why did I hope? This season is not a season for hope. This is a season is like a roller coaster at a sketchy amusement park You went on thinking it would be as fun as it looks, but then you hit those first messy curves and realized someone making this thing committed some structural errors; so you hunker down, hold on tight, appreciate the things that are fun as they happen while trying desperately not to knocked off the ride by all the rough patches on the track, and just pray that the next roller coaster you ride is better. You don't hope that this one's going to get any better than what it is, because it won't.
ReplyDeleteThis is a weird metaphor, but I like it and I'm going for it.
well I don't think they will go that far unless they want a drop in ratings olicity has big fan base I'm specking at a logical point I'm not big fan of olicity but the story of has been good until recently my point is not logical to do it
ReplyDeleteRAYLICITY!!! ;D
ReplyDeleteHa! Nice.
ReplyDeleteMy metaphor goes like this: Ray Palmer is a mine field. I'm sure there's a way to navigate safely through it but it's obvious Arrow doesn't have the map. So, the only way to assuredly prevent serious damage is to avoid it altogether which they should have done in the first place.
It could be a murder/suicide pact lol
ReplyDeleteI got the joke and I was joking too. Perhaps my comment needed a well placed "lol" haha
ReplyDeleteI don't watch Grimm but I can start right now if that means getting rid of the ogre.
ReplyDeleteMetaphors are fun. I can't wait to see (in the most sarcastic way possible) what kind of land mines we run into once we actually see Oliver and Ray interact, or when the ATOM suit starts working - is it like a faux Iron Man, or are they actually going to shrink the guy, and how is that going to work visually on Arrow? So many opportunities for KABOOM!
ReplyDeleteI thought they had problems in the first season with their romantic storyline - and they did - but this Ray thing is just not working out.
"Oh look" cried Ned. And then the kingdom became his forever. The end.
ReplyDeleteSeason one has nothing on this mess. When Barry Allen figures out time travel I have a few errands for him to run over here in Starling City.
ReplyDeleteI feel like starting a betting pool for how many hundred comments the actual episode thread will have...
ReplyDeleteBut also Tommy and Sara would be alive. The undertaking wouldn't happen. Isabel wouldn't take over QC. Palmer wouldn't be here. Laurel's life wouldn't be hiding towards that mask. Damn it Oliver it's all your fault.
ReplyDeleteI say after the episode I say at least 150
ReplyDeleteI like Tommy but he stayed on as long as he should have. There's really no room for him as the show stands now.
ReplyDeleteSave Ray's wife (fiancee? I don't remember) and then either A) making sure that restaurant that Olicity have their first date in never gets blown up or B) that Oliver never asks Felicity out in the first place. Whichever floats his boat. Kill that will they/won't they stuff before it ever starts, because they either will or won't and we can on with it.
ReplyDeleteSince killing Malcolm will save Sara, I think that's the end of my list. Because Sara being alive means that they can bring the LoA into the show somehow in a more organic way; then, if they need to kill her, they can do it in the midseason finale - she actually dies, Oliver almost dies - and we have nine more episodes of Sara! Win/win.
I'm sold. To make it easier, they could just make sure Ray is too late to make the pitch meeting to Queen Consolidated so he never takes over the company and doesn't have a reason to stick around.
ReplyDeletesuicide pact that quote remind me of smallville
ReplyDeleteAgreed. His death was well timed and was used in a great way by the show - an organic, believable motivator for Oliver to stop killing, along with the Undertaking, of course. It was a great example of how to do a TV death well, and even though I liked him, I wouldn't undo it. Plus, season two was so good. I'd never want to undo anything that happened during it, although they'd have to find another way to get Moira out of jail with Malcolm. Eh, details. Barry could find a way.
ReplyDeleteEh. There's always a price to pay when messing with the past. If Malcolm dies on that rooftop like I want, I know that Thea will likely die in that train station but even though I like Thea I'm willing to let it go if it could fix this mess.
ReplyDeleteLmaoooooooo!!! Gotta love him. I think I'll watch some of that now, while I blow out my hair. Thanks! ; )
ReplyDeleteHahahaha, wait wait, don't forget the most expensive bottle in the house first. We have to finish that off, then do it. Hahahaha (Thanks Damon)
ReplyDeleteI agree that his death served a greater purpose but I will always want him on the show. I also wanted to see him and Thea together after they find out that he's her brother.
ReplyDeleteTrue, and that way he might still be the Atom some day, but I'd feel bad. He'd be all floundering because he can't get the suit to work without Felicity (apparently) and he has all the grief and he has no company to help him with resources ... he's not a bad dude. Plus, what did she (his whatever she was) do wrong? Let her live, and everyone's all happy. I apologize for all the extra legwork, Barry (hee. Legwork? Cause of running?), but I just want Ray gone ... er, happy.
ReplyDeleteKinky.
ReplyDeleteLMAO. And it seemed like that might happen for a second, too.
ReplyDeleteAlways happy to quote Chandler Bing lol
ReplyDeleteWAIIIIT! I meant sharing scenes together!!!!!!! hahahahah
ReplyDeleteI really needed to double check that comment lol
ReplyDeleteThe bottle is all yours babe haha
ReplyDeleteThe GHOST of Felicity!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteRay is an awesome character and addition to Arrow. Felicity is mediocre. Raylicity or whatever their ship name is called is terrible.
ReplyDeleteWhy? It gave me giggles. :D
ReplyDeleteI would say Ray is a great "concept", because we know nothing about that character thanks to this forced relationship, wich is pointless... Oliver and Felicity are already apart because of the Malcolm thing. Why this then? Why not use this time to delve into Ray's background.
ReplyDeleteAs of this point, the character did nothing in the whole season... That's why i want him to have his own show. The character could be great if given the chance.
It would be nice to use the character of Ray for more than bad romance. The truth is this relationship is pointless. The only reason for this relationship to happen is to drag Oliver and Felicity's until the end of the season, but they are already apart because of Oliver's fetiche with Malcolm. It's prime objective is gone...
ReplyDeleteWhy is this relationship becoming romantic then? Why not use the screentime to develop Ray's character? Right now he is a great concept, but one that did nothing in 14 episodes, so far. Brandon Routh is great and deserves better material...
You said "bad romance," I heard Lady Gaga, and now someone has to make that fan video.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. I wish he could go all Shaw (from Chuck, if you didn't watch that) and become more relevant. It worked the first time he had to play place filler in a will they/won't they relationship; the Arrow writers should take a page from the Chuck writers book.
Yeah as much as I prefer Oliver and Felicity, I could maybe get more on board with Ray and Felicity being a couple if he wasn't so creepy about it. I like their interactions, especially when they're being all nerdy and enthusiastic about stuff but at other times its just ew. Like this scene, or when he's working out in his office...its like he NEEDS Felicity to see him shirtless as much as possible. (At least when Oliver's shirtless its because he's working out in a non-work environment). ALSO the whole thing with him tracing her phone to the hospital when Diggle's kid was born and again when he traced her phone to Verdant. (Sidenote: Felicity's phone is way too easy to hack for someone with her background). NOT to mention the whole "oh here's this expensive dress I bought for you to wear to our work dinner and here's this insanely expensive necklace to wear too" thing made Felicity out to be weirdly shallow which seemed out of character. ANYWAYS if they really want to make them a couple they're going about it in a really unappealing way so hopefully that changes
ReplyDeletelike she said, she has a type
ReplyDeleteyou hated Smallville?
ReplyDeleteOh, yes! I love Chuck! I just feel that his character did nothing in 14 episodes other than be good at what Oliver sucks. It's like the writers are using him to show that, yet every time he says something like that, Felicity puts Oliver in the picture: "I can think of one" at Ray's "I can't think of a man that regrets kissing you" or this "well, you would be the only one" at Ray's "i trust your judgement".
ReplyDeleteThey're just trying to force a relationship while writing it one sided... I don't get it. Even more, i asked Marc on Tumblr if we were gonna see them going full cliché with Raylicity or we were gonna keep the more innovative dynamic they set(the Oliver-Felicity-Malcolm triangle) and he answered me "Keep watching ;)"
I don't get what they're doing with this relationship... They could have DONE SOOOOOO MUCH WITH RAY PALMER.
I NEED TO SEE THAT SUIT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i really missed Brandon Routh, forget you naysayers hating him for no reason other that shipping and nothing else
ReplyDeleteNot at all true. The Olicity moments in seasons 1 and 2 are what we "shippers" want. The natural progression, the lightheartedness, not this ridiculous angst created by the writers to draw out the storyline and increase drama.
ReplyDeleteI don't see many shippers complaining
ReplyDeleteI love smallville
ReplyDelete"Why not use this time to delve into Ray's background."
ReplyDeleteFor an consolation, I believe the 19th episode is going to be Ray-heavy. But for what's it worth, what else do we need to know about Ray Palmer besides his motivation for wanting to be braver and tougher because of the death of his fiancee and then him slowly moving on because of his affection towards Felicity.
But Ray Palmer, as a "concept" for this season, I think makes sense because Ray Palmer will most likely end up either succeeding as both Ray Palmer and The Atom, thus a contrast to Oliver Queen who CAN'T succeed as two personas(and I think, by the end of the season, he will hang up the green hood once more but this time try to put his focus on Oliver Queen), or Ray Palmer will end up leaving, being inspired by The Arrow's actions, maybe once he finds out that he's Oliver Queen and leave Palmer Technologies in Starling City open for Ollie to jump back into the business world again(which, again, fit into my idea of how S3 will end).
I would rather not watch the preview with Ray but can you tell me what happens in it?
ReplyDeleteI hate Ray and I hate how Felicity behaves around him and accepts his stalkery creepy behavior. I'll also never forget how she was happy and cheerful when Ray changed QC's name and logo and she didn't consider how hurt Oliver would be.
ReplyDeleteHe's in a towel, JUST a towel, and she's uncomfortable, CLEARLY, but he doesn't care, he's just saying "Sometimes I forget I work with you." (Mind you he's not getting a shirt while he's realizing this) then says, when iI'm with you, it's just you.....that's it.
ReplyDeleteSadly he will be in all episodes from 3x16 to 3x23 AND Flash's 1x18... He was contracted for 18 episodes according to Guggenheim.
ReplyDeleteThat anti-shipper rock you're under must provide pretty decent shade.
ReplyDeleteat times I deliberately close my eyes and chant "There's no such thing as shipping" over and over again. After a few minutes I even believe it
ReplyDeleteSee, all that energy could be spent compiling theories, fan art, rewatching videos. Get some sun; you don't have to cower in the shade to avoid what you're not willing to be a part of. Acceptance provides comfort...
ReplyDeletewell the real sun out there provides a solid shade
ReplyDeleteThere is no "real" sun, only that which you choose to perceive. The sun is different to all who partake in its light. Let everyone enjoy their own version of the sun without attempting to throw shade into their paths.
ReplyDeleteIsn't he supposed to be dealing with the loss of his wife? I really can't stand this stalker he has to have some other endgame other than being Iron Man. All I've seen of him is stalking Felicity and nobody not even her comments to him about it.
ReplyDeleteI hate the wholeeee thing. I can't even. Smmfh.
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