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Arrow - Episode 3.13 - Canaries - Producer's Preview

10 Feb 2015

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84 comments:

  1. Rashad T10 February 2015 at 01:18

    Can't wait!!

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  2. Bruce_F10 February 2015 at 01:24

    I'm cautiously optimistic about the episode but I doubt I'll be stunned or shocked. I only hope I'm not disappointed.

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  3. Koky10 February 2015 at 01:25

    So Malcolm is in the foundry working with Oliver and ordering him to do what's best for Thea and Oliver and Diggle want to keep lying to her. Let's play a game called "how many illogical, insulting and maddening things can you find in that sentence?"

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  4. Gladiator10 February 2015 at 01:27

    He might lose her either way.

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  5. MckG10 February 2015 at 01:32

    Which still wouldn't make any sense, and it will totally piss me off.

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  6. Bruce_F10 February 2015 at 01:34

    Who knows with Thea. She loses her mind about people keeping secrets even if they have good intentions but she cozies up to a mass murderer who set her father up to die and repeatedly threatened her mother all because he killed some people for her at the train station.

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  7. Koky10 February 2015 at 01:38

    Don't forget that he taught her to fight with swords and killed the nerves in her hands.

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  8. Bruce_F10 February 2015 at 01:43

    And the big one - encouraging her to kill.

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  9. Koky10 February 2015 at 01:47

    An even bigger one brainwashing her into killing a friend and taking a video of the event like a proud father at a piano recital.

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  10. Bruce_F10 February 2015 at 01:48

    Well, we're talking about Thea's informed decision-making so that hasn't come into play yet. We'll see how she reacts to all this news in the upcoming episodes. I fully expect to be baffled by it all.

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  11. arrowshieldfan10 February 2015 at 01:53

    how could they let Malcolm into the Arrow lair!

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  12. Koky10 February 2015 at 01:53

    I know I just couldn't resist writing it.

    She seems ok in the wedding photos (the fact that she even went to the wedding is confusing enough) either she knew and she is super cool with it or she still doesn't know.

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  13. arrowshieldfan10 February 2015 at 02:00

    she definitely know the truth about Oliver....whatever she forgives him for lying is another question.

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  15. Koky10 February 2015 at 02:05

    I was talking about Sara.

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  16. Reozen10 February 2015 at 02:19

    So this is basically more crap on Oliver episode? I really wish they would stop that especially with Team Arrow doing it isn't he supposed to be their leader? I know some things have changed but I mean he wasn't really gone long and they really didn't make the city safer without him it only showed that it needs him.

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  17. O D A10 February 2015 at 03:19

    So Malcolm is the unofficial member of Arrow cave now?

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  18. Nick10 February 2015 at 03:43

    I still don't get it! Are we suppose to see this as a) Oliver uses Malcolm for his knowledge or b) Oliver really thinks Malcolm can redeem himself? Wich one is it?


    I was starting to like this episode: it was a Laurel episode and they've done a good job with her these past weeks. But now this? Is this really a Laurel episode or it's something like when 2x14 was supposed to be a Felicity episode or 3x06 was supposed to be Roy's?


    If this ends up being another "Malcolm is really a good dad" s**t fest i might put broken glass in Marc Guggenheim's meatballs.

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  19. Shannon10 February 2015 at 03:44

    If Malcolm begs to join them once more time, I'm going to have to kill him myself. I want to see Caity/Sara so badly. That will probably be the highlight of the episode for me. And Thea probably knowing the truth. I honestly wouldn't mind if Oliver didn't tell her he was the Arrow. BUT I would loveeeeee if he told her that "she killed Sara" through Merlyn's influence. That would be good stuff.

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  20. Graydon10 February 2015 at 04:30

    Probably A. 2x14 was pretty Felicity orientated.

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  21. Graydon10 February 2015 at 04:31

    More like the friend they hate, but is rich and wants to be involved type of dynamic.

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  22. O D A10 February 2015 at 04:32

    That is my problem too. Is Oliver simply using Malcolm or does he want him to be Thea's perfect dad?


    I hope there is something more interesting than the sister fight for Laurel in this episode. I was really liking her in ep 10 and 11. But last episode she was just there and the moment Oliver step foot in Starling City and the mess with Thea and Malcolm began I kind of forgot about her. I am not even excited about seeing Sara back. I hope this episode there will be a strong Quentin/Laurel scene.


    I think there will be more claims about Malcolm and his dad qualities until Ep. 15 twist/shocker whatever it may be.

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  23. Graydon10 February 2015 at 04:34

    She still feels pain. She just ignores it. Also, I'm sorry, but Merlyn maybe a monster, but teaching your kid how to use a sword is just plain cool. His training is extreme and is child abuse though (or would be if Thea was under 18.).

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  24. O D A10 February 2015 at 04:35

    I still hate it that they are letting him in there so easily. I had thought Oliver might be dealing with him separately outside of the lair. Well let's see how this all turn out. Now I am almost certain Lian Yu visit next episode is all part of training regime by Daddy Merlyn. I had high hopes for that episode. I thought that would be the one Thea will get to know the whole secret. Now I doubt it will happen.

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  25. Graydon10 February 2015 at 04:36

    No Oliver should. There is literally no reason to not tell Thea he's The Arrow. The brainwashing and killing Sara bit yeah that should probably stay buried.

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  26. Graydon10 February 2015 at 04:38

    There's a trailer where she's in the Foundry and is looking right at the costume, and he's there. She knows. Well yeah, where else should they train? (though there is no actual evidence they let him in) Even then why is it bad letting him in there, he can get in anytime he wants, and they need a proper equipped facility.

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  27. Graydon10 February 2015 at 04:39

    Using. I have no doubt of that.

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  28. Graydon10 February 2015 at 04:43

    Oliver and Dig have been doing that for years (unjustly). Two Merlyn has a point, Thea should know. She's trained, capable and willing to fight. She should be brought in. Let's play this game with Oliver (he's just as bad as Malcolm at saying things like that in a sentence (love the guy but he's hypocrisy is so overwhelming).

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  29. O D A10 February 2015 at 04:44

    Then why is he letting Thea go on with this guy blindly. Why is he not letting her know about Sara's death? What kind of a brother does that? I think Oliver wants Malcolm to be the best father for Thea.

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  30. Graydon10 February 2015 at 04:44

    They've been doing that since season one.

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  31. O D A10 February 2015 at 04:50

    I saw that. I was talking about the Sara thing being revealed in ep 14. But from ep 15 synopsis I guess it is not going to happen. I thought Merlyn and Oliver would train at someplace neutral. Like Oliver did with Roy before bringing him to Arrow cave. You might be right this could be another surprise visit from Malcolm. I would like to think Oliver would want to keep Malcolm away from his friends if possible.

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  32. Graydon10 February 2015 at 04:51

    Telling someone you killed your friend because your father brainwashed you, isn't an easy conversation. He doesn't want to destroy Thea (which that would do). No. He despises Malcolm. For the Undertaking, killing his father, what he did to Thea, Tommy, his mother and Sara. He just believes that it's willing to work with a demon to cut off a bigger one's head. I really doubt a two minute conversation would make Oliver say, "Gee wiz Mal old buddy old pal you're a great father to Thea and I'm gonna help you be even better (I doubt he wants him to even be involved, but wants he gonna do burn that bridge and potentially let everyone in Starling City die). At least now he can monitor, influence and help affect what Malcolm says or does regarding Thea, Felicity's right about what he's doing to an very good extent, but it's a complex moral situation he's in and I'm not gonna judge the guy for trying what he thinks is the best option to say the people and city he loves.

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  33. Graydon10 February 2015 at 04:52

    I'd be surprised if he brought him there (more because Felicity and Diggle despise him).

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  34. Graydon10 February 2015 at 04:55

    Shannon if you're going up against Merlyn you need a montage (cue Eye of the Tiger).

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  35. O D A10 February 2015 at 04:59

    Agreed. I think Diggle will be more receptive of Oliver's idea to team up with Malcolm than Felicity. SS and all that.

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  36. Graydon10 February 2015 at 05:04

    Oh yeah Diggle is more accustomed to the harshness and moral sacrifices of war. And he's a soldier, he'll follow his commanding officer. He will be pissed, but he gets why it could be necessary.

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  37. Shannon10 February 2015 at 06:27

    Hahahahaha!! Couldn't have picked a better song...when it comes down to it, I want you to cut me. = p

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  38. arrowshieldfan10 February 2015 at 06:30

    Oliver should do whatever he need to do to prevent Thea sticking to Merlyn.......she shouldn't know that she is responsible for Sara death as she may never be the same again......I do wonder if Laurel should tell her own father who the killer is after she is told the truth.......will he tell her Meryln did it or will she lie and say she was killed in a LoA mission.....

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  39. O D A10 February 2015 at 07:15

    But how long can Oliver keep this from Thea? I agree she will be horrified and will never be the same. But is it fair to Thea to kept in the dark about her being forced to kill Sara? If I am in Thea's position I would expect my loved ones to come clean to me asap and protect me from the monster who did this to me. Not to let me go on thinking the guy means the best for me. Like Quentin will Thea ever be able to forgive Oliver for keeping her in the dark. I wouldn't blame her if she never did. IMO more than Thea knowing Oliver is the Arrow she should be told about how Malcolm took away her free will. By lying to her about this Oliver is doing the same. She deserves to know what was done to her body and mind. Oliver should tell her the truth and help her deal with the aftermath. That's what family is about. You can't hide and sweep the bad things in the name of love. You deal with it head on together.

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  40. O D A10 February 2015 at 07:25

    Still it kind of made him look like a fool. One episode back he was threatening Malcolm then suddenly with that bad speech from Thea he was repeating her words. I wanted to smack him. Lol.

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  41. Graydon10 February 2015 at 07:27

    Of course not. But not telling Thea he's the Arrow is quite frankly idiotic now and almost cowardly. But this doesn't give Merlyn any more power over Oliver or Thea, it's just a good point. They are screwing Merlyn and Thea's relationship over, she'll know what he did by the end of the season. But more importantly besides that tease there is nothing saying that Oliver and Thea's relationship will be irrevocably or damaged for long if at all. Technically Oliver could use Sara's murder, though he won't as that level of blatant manipulation of Thea, isn't him, nor would he want to cause her emotional pain.

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  42. arrowshieldfan10 February 2015 at 07:36

    Oliver should tell Thea he kill Sara but whether or not Thea believe him is another question. This could have all be avoided if someone had told Oliver Malcolm was alive before the finale. I believe Moira was about to but she was killed so......

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  43. Graydon10 February 2015 at 07:38

    Honestly right now I'd say the truth could be far worse. Malcolm hasn't destroyed Thea's ideals or beliefs or corrupted her. He's been awful to her because of the brainwashing, but besides that he hasn't done anything to make her like or even desire killing (hell he agreed with her that she's not a killer) or any evil act. And she still shows visible pain and discomfort with what he's done in the past. While it's not good, and yes she should get away from Merlyn for the time being it's better she spend time with Merlyn (and potentially Oliver at the same time upon learning he's the Arrow) so that Oliver can keep Merlyn's influence at bay and protect Thea, then emotionally destroy her and have an vengeful Malcolm Merlyn on his back who could hurt him, Thea, Diggle, Roy and anyone else he blames. It's a rock and a hard place. I think that while it benefits Oliver's actions, that he almost certainty just doesn't want to have to burden her with information that could damage her psyche so greatly that it could be beyond salvaging. She needs to know, but before Oliver needs to strengthen their bond, and mitigate Merlyn's and help guide Thea, so that when it's time to rip that bandaid off Thea can take it without losing herself and feeling like she has no one or nothing and goes to a very dark place and does something that could have dire consequences for herself and those around her.

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  44. Graydon10 February 2015 at 08:14

    Lol. Roy's thinking with his little head too much.

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  45. O D A10 February 2015 at 08:14

    I completely disagree. Oliver sitting on this ticking time bomb about Malcolm taking away her free will would cause more harm than good for Thea. How can the bond between brother and sister grow when it is built on lies. How is Oliver's misguided protection anymore better than Malcolm's so called love. Both are manipulating Thea to get their desired out come from her. How much ever Oliver strengthen their bonds while he is training with Malcolm all that good will will go away in a second once Thea knows he knew about what Malcolm did and still let her continue in her delusion. If the secret comes out now from Oliver's side Thea might only hate on Malcolm. But if the secret goes on and she comes to know Oliver purposefully kept something this big about her I don't think she can forgive him. I would not blame her at all. This is mind control we are talking about. At this point both Malcolm and Oliver are taking away her agency and free will. Oliver is only looking at the big picture of saving the city and Thea and in doing that he is harming the people closest to him.

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  46. O D A10 February 2015 at 08:16

    I don't know if it is the dialogue delivery or Colton's facial expressions I sat there looking at the tv shouting there you go you cancelled all the good will I had for you in the last two episodes by this one dialogue.

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  47. Koky10 February 2015 at 08:54

    He can buy her a star and she can be 50 and I'll still find him an abuser.
    Didn't we agree to disagree about Malcolm?

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  48. Koky10 February 2015 at 08:55

    I hate what they are doing with him. I can't believe they managed to get me this angry with him just to make MALCOLM look good, smh.

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  49. Koky10 February 2015 at 09:02

    "Oliver and Dig have been doing that for years" They should learn from their mistake by now (maddening)!!

    "Two Merlyn has a point, Thea should know" Malcolm is absolutely right, Thea should I know, I'm sick of all the lying but the fact that Malcolm is now an honourable dad and the voice of reason and telling Oliver to do what is best for Thea (insulting)!!

    "She's trained, capable and willing to fight." She is trained because he trained her to use her to kill a friend to save himself, so now let's keep training her to help fulfill his evil plan "ironic"!!

    " Let's play this game with Oliver" Haven't you been paying attention? I'm so mad at him right now. I wasn't defending Oliver in my comment AT ALL!

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  50. JustGotLittUp10 February 2015 at 09:06

    Oliver not telling thea that malcolm made her a murderer is just as bad as Laurel not telling Quentin about Sara's death. Both conversations aren't easy to have but thea and Quentin deserve better than to be lied to. And if laurel gets criticized for her actions, Oliver should too. Because in Oliver's case thea would be safer if she knew the truth. Both thea and Quentin will find out eventually, why not mitigate the issue by being less deceitful?

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  51. O D A10 February 2015 at 10:33

    Oliver could show her the the video of her arriving in Starling with Malcolm which she would have no memory of. I was annoyed by this from the moment he left to fight Ra's without any contingency plan for Thea. Only a throw away comment to Roy to take care of her. He didn't know he was coming back. He should have told her the complete truth then itself. I hope whenever it is Thea gets to know the secret she is pissed off at Oliver.

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  52. IvyB10 February 2015 at 12:00

    Well, Diggle, maybe you shouldn't have told Oliver the exact same thing in 3X03, because not telling her the truth has worked so well so far, by all means, let's keep lying to her and see how it goes.

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  53. Reozen10 February 2015 at 13:26

    I know but they're doing it more this season and I don't like it.

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  54. Reozen10 February 2015 at 13:28

    It's not just with Malcolm but I mean with the whole team and I hear that they'll turn on him or something I don't want to see that cmon Oliver has been through enough I think I'm more excited with Oliver and Thea this episode not really sure what else will happen also, I hope Captain Lance figures out Laurel has been lying to him which is stupid and doesn't make any sense.

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  55. Graydon10 February 2015 at 13:55

    Not really. The first season aliens had Laurel (not to mention Thea, Tommy, Diggle and even Felicity a bit) give him so much shit. If say it was far more.

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  56. Graydon10 February 2015 at 13:59

    I'm not saying he's not an abuser.

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  57. Koky10 February 2015 at 14:04

    What I meant is that any good he does is not going to erase any of the horrible unspeakable things he's done/doing and will continue to do. He's irredeemable in my eyes.

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  58. Reozen10 February 2015 at 14:06

    I'm not mad at Oliver lying to Thea and working with Malcolm if anything if Thea gets mad I'll be a little annoyed by her which makes her seem like a hypocrite which she already is. I really don't get these changes it's only been three weeks and nothing has really changed that much they're trying to make it seem like they could save the city wothout him but it's because Oliver was gone that the city went to crap.

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  59. Graydon10 February 2015 at 14:07

    Oh yeah. That I disagree on sort of. While it doesn't erase it entirely, I believe Merlyn could if he wanted to, and that he should try (again if he's sincere).

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  60. Sparky10 February 2015 at 14:23

    I just really cant with what they are doing with Thea.
    Malcolm Merlyn killed the man she considered her father when he sabotaged the
    Queen's Gambit, took away her brother
    for 5 years and almost killed him, killed Tommy and hundreds of people,
    and brainwashed her into killing Sara.He also kidnapped Walter, who was like a father to Thea. And now Thea only considers Malcolm Merlyn as his family. Moira tried to tip off RAG about the whereabouts of Merlyn just so she can protect her children
    I hope this changes when Thea finds out the truth. But if she still sticks up for Merlyn after all of that i will wash my hands clean of her.

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  61. ohlisa10 February 2015 at 15:58

    You make good points, and I agree with them to an extent - Malcolm is a wild card, and Oliver needs to be prepared for fallout, but I just can't believe that Oliver is doing anything with Thea's best interest at heart when he knows the man drugged her and has done absolutely nothing to keep that from happening again. He doesn't need to tell her she killed Sara necessarily, but...god, just open her eyes to what this man has done to her. He's willing to team up with Malcolm to defeat Ra's because he's worried about keeping Thea safe, but he's left her completely open to being drugged and manipulated by this dude he KNOWS she trusts. It's just epically stupid.

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  62. MckG10 February 2015 at 16:01

    No, but how well has it turned out to be the first time that Oliver just didn't even think twice about it and just trusted Malcolm ons his word, turning the entire League against them, just for Malcolm?


    It still just really frustrates me and annoys me, it's just one blind leap of faith for no reason at all in Malcolm after the other. And I'm apparently still actually the only one that seriously seems to realize that this whole thing still doesn't completely make sense at all.


    Like I said twice, this is Malcolm's mess, and now he's somehow the miracle key to it that is going to teach Oliver exactly what he needs to know? No! Just send Malcolm to Ra's and be done with it.


    But no, even that doesn't work, because in two episodes, she'll still won't know what Malcolm did to her, she will still see him as a much more important person than Oliver ever will be again I feel like, and Oliver will consider freaking saving Malcolm from Nanda Parbat? It's just one thing FOR Malcolm after another, and I just REALLY wish it would make more sense, that there was actually a bigger reason than just: 'Yeah, Malcolm played his cards perfect, than acts like he cares, and voila, he has his pawns exactly where he wants to.'


    But I still hope so, because it's about damn time this season that, you know, Thea's arc actually becomes her arc instead of: 'Oh yeah, isn't it super surprising? Thea being a little puppet for her new found Daddy?' Because they kept saying that, we've had a big portion of the season, and voila, even this preview shows how she's still more Malcolm's little extra, than anything else.


    I'm just saying, this season has made me really sceptical about how logical they actually think when making decisions like this, as I said, the first time he just trusted him, didn't make sense at all, than BAM Oliver knew that it was Malcolm behind everything anyway, and then BAM, he's back and all is forgiven and he NEEDS him, the guy that could just, you know, go fix his own mess and leave the two people that he "supposedly" cares about and sees as his kids out of it.


    I just really hope that we'll have an actual truning point, that they don't screw up the relationship between Oliver and Thea, and that we'll finally get that turning point that Oliver becomes more important than Malcolm again, because I am fully serious, right now, they've made plenty clear with her reactions and stuff that if she had to choose and Malcolm forced her, she'd choose him... I mean, he has been protecting her SO incredibly well in her eyes.

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  63. Graydon10 February 2015 at 17:25

    He didn't turn on the league for Malcolm. Oliver fought to save Thea and lost. And since he survived Oliver has to defeat Ra's to finish this or let him kill the citizens of Starling until Sara's killer (and Malcolm) is given to him. He can't just give Malcolm to the league as Oliver stood trial in combat for Malcolm and proclaimed himself Sara's killer. Ra's knows it's bullshit, but trial by combats aren't done until one is dead. Even more by being bested by Ra's it gives a guilty verdict more or less. Plus Oliver won't risk Thea's life on Malcolm's honour, so giving him to the league (unless Ra's gives him an offer which he probably will 3x15 is titled The Offer) could endanger her. He hasn't forgiven him, he just realizes he has to work with him. She'll know soon most likely.

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  64. Graydon10 February 2015 at 17:29

    It's not the best plan, but until Oliver can break Thea's pedestal of Merlyn completely it's the best he has. That and Merlyn won't hurt Thea, or brainwash her anymore. I'm not saying this because I believe he loves her, but because without Oliver and Team Arrow's help Malcolm doesn't have any options left, and no way Ra's would give him a trial.

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  65. MckG10 February 2015 at 17:37

    Isn't 3x15 Nanda Parbat? All I'm saying is that Oliver shouldn't forget, and I hope Thea realizes this fully as well, that this all comes back to Malcolm putting his life over everyone else's. If he had at least just stayed gone, or not made Thea kill Sara, then the threat would mostly be for just him.


    And I'm still just really worried for Thea's fate with all of this. They need to stand together, but without Malcolm eventually, or this is going to keep going.

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  66. O D A10 February 2015 at 18:00

    Forget Thea. I am upset about how Oliver is dealing with the knowledge of Malcolm mind fucking Thea. His reluctance to tell her the whole truth and give Thea her agency back is irritating me a lot.

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  67. O D A10 February 2015 at 18:05

    I still disagree. Oliver can easily break Thea's pedestal of Merlyn by telling her the truth. Right now Oliver has the advantage over Merlyn. He needs Oliver to fight Ra's. As you said Malcolm does not have any options left. To allow Malcolm to make Thea into another soldier is extremely stupid. Right now she will have her brother to fall back on once she learns the truth. But later she will be disappointed in both. Malcolm for drugging her and making her a killer and Oliver for further manipulating her and keeping her in the dark thus taking away the choice from her.

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  68. AnnoDomini10 February 2015 at 18:44

    I love the idea that Ollie is entering this new grey world by asking Merlyn to train him, but in the end...Ollie needs that wake up call that he is still working with a murderer. It will both develop Ollie into realizing that the world isn't just black and white, but also keep him on that straighten path since Merlyn is responsible of Sara's death.

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  69. AnnoDomini10 February 2015 at 18:46

    Although, you have to hand it to the writers for continuing to make Merlyn look like a chess master in continuing to get what he wants as he pulls on the strings of everyone else around him.

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  70. AnnoDomini10 February 2015 at 18:47

    Malcolm has become that ex you want to stop talking to but can't.

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  71. April Breck10 February 2015 at 18:55

    This show has gone so far off the rails.

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  72. JustGotLittUp11 February 2015 at 00:06

    I concede on a couple of points. Yes, it's not legally murder. And maybe Thea knowing will make her safer. But I counter with this, do you think Thea cares if it's not legally murder? Do you think she would try to find a loophole around the fact that her own bare hands killed a woman that she was possibly friends with? Regardless of whether she was mind raped by Malcolm? I don't think so. I think she'll bear a lot of guilt. But she has a right to know what dealing with Malcolm did to her so she can get as far away from him as possible. So YES, it's just as bad as Laurel not telling Quentin.


    What could go wrong with bringing Thea into the fold? Because if she KNOWS that the league is after her (which imo I don't get because if Malcolm loves his daughter, he wouldn't give her in) then she would be much more careful with who she talks to or who she surrounds herself with. That goes for DJ Douchebag. If Oliver cares about Thea's safety, then he should tell her regardless of how she'll react to him being the Arrow. Thea's safety is so much more important than her relationship with Oliver. At least, based on Oliver's actions, that's what I get.

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  73. Graydon11 February 2015 at 03:42

    I agree with Thea being horribly affected, but I really wouldn't compare it the Lance not knowing Sara's dead thing. I also agree with bring her into the fold,but telling her about Sara's murder has to be handled very gingerly.

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  74. Graydon11 February 2015 at 03:48

    He's not letting Malcolm do that though. It would, but it would also emotionally destroy her and potentially lead her to do something reckless that could alert her culpability to the league. I agree that it won't go well for Oliver, but telling Thea this is going to be one of the hardest most devastating things either will have to face. (Though I honestly believe Merlyn should tell Thea, and Merlyn wants Thea to be brought in so the manipulation for now seems to be done). She should know, but Oliver needs time to understand how to best put and deal with it.

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  75. Graydon11 February 2015 at 03:49

    By the end of season Thea will know. Either Oliver or Merlyn will tell her.

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  76. MckG11 February 2015 at 03:57

    If that's really going to take until the end of the season, with all those super shocking twists they keep talking about, it really makes me think that before that, they're still going to make her turn against Oliver.

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  77. JustGotLittUp11 February 2015 at 06:49

    I don't think we'll ever really agree on the amount Thea finding out that she's a killer will affect her.


    Anyways to sort of emphasize on how Thea will be safer if she was brought into the fold, I think Thea not knowing is just as bad as Lance not knowing because Thea has deluded herself into thinking that Malcolm cares for her, she's putting herself in harms way because she doesn't know any better. Yes, Lance will be affected immensely by Sara's death, but he isn't hanging around a person who's going to screw him over in the end.


    I don't understand what Oliver is thinking in regards to telling Thea the truth about Malcolm (even if it means she finds out about Oliver being the Arrow) because it makes no sense. But I can tell that not telling Thea just because he doesn't want her to hate him kind of negates his primary goal, which is to keep Thea safe. It's sort of like Laurel not wanting to tell her father because she doesn't want to lose him. Laurel and Oliver may think keeping those secrets is out of love but in the end, it's selfish and wrong and accomplishes nothing because they're both hurting their respective loved ones in the process.

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  78. Graydon11 February 2015 at 07:10

    Thea is not a killer in anyway (which is why I fear her reaction as she'll believe she is one but she isn't, it will break her, it would break anyone). Malcolm despite his selfishness and ruthlessness does seem to have some care and regard for Thea (he wouldn't hurt her now, it would threaten his alliance with Oliver, nor does he seem to want to). I firmly if not entirely believe that Oliver isn't telling Thea just as much out of fear of losing her as wanting to protect her from herself. It's patronizing, foolish and will not likely end well, but goddammit Oliver is human. He's flawed, makes mistakes but is trying his best. And judging him over it before he even takes any actions over it (seriously everyone I included has postulated based on nothing that we've seen) is to me gratuitous and unwarranted, not fair to Oliver, and asserts a notion of moral superiority and (in my opinion) a refusal to see it from Oliver's point of view. I refuse to judge a man on a decision that would be impossible to handle for any person if put in that situation in reality.

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  79. JustGotLittUp11 February 2015 at 07:32

    I know she's not a killer. But Thea, I'm sure, will obviously feel that way, anyone would. And that's what matters in the end. Not what the audience thinks or what Oliver/Malcolm/Roy think, but what THEA thinks of herself and her actions.


    And correct me if I'm wrong, but the LoA still don't know a thing about Thea right? If Malcolm cares about Thea he wouldn't release the information about her killing Sara to them (with that video he took), but we all know that's just ridiculous because this is Malcolm we're talking about. He wants to survive over Thea. How do we know this? Because he's the one who put her in harm's way in the first place. You can say Malcolm cares, but in the end, he loves himself even more and would put Thea in danger just to save his skin. Now I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want anyone I loved to be associated with that type of person.


    This is why Oliver's decision makes no sense to me. He said in episode 9 that he would do whatever to save his sister, so why is he unnecessarily putting Thea in danger by letting her not know the truth and prance around with Malcolm? Because once she learns the truth, I'm pretty sure she won't want to be associated with him.


    I understand that Oliver has flaws and fears, but what I don't understand is why he's contradicting himself with his actions. This isn't really a mistake he's making, but this is him being nonsensical. I'm not judging Oliver and saying he's a terrible man for not telling Thea, but I'm just saying that he's being foolish and it's kind of frustrating because after everything he's been through, he hasn't learned that keeping secrets can lead to nothing good. And I feel like anyone who watches this show has a right to call him out on his foolishness because that's exactly what he's being. I also think it's good that characters on this show call Oliver out when he's being foolish (which is exactly what Felicity did in episode 12), so then he learns from his mistakes. It's just how he'll grow as a character. Otherwise he'll just be going around in circles making the same mistakes over and over again and that's just frustrating.

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  80. O D A11 February 2015 at 10:03

    Why do Merlyn want to bring Thea in on the secret now if not to use her as a soldier to fight Ra's. Otherwise it is in his interest to keep Thea away from Oliver's Arrow persona. After all he did keep Oliver's identity a secret from her. The manipulation from both Malcolm's and Oliver's part will be only when they let Thea know the full truth and allow her to make her own decisions for her life. They both are trying to manage her life to their desired outcome. That is not love nor correct.

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  81. Graydon11 February 2015 at 16:59

    I think that's Meelyn intention to reveal the truth to Thea. If he wants redemption, and understands that she must know (which I believe he does) then he will tell her.

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  82. O D A11 February 2015 at 17:07

    Lets hope so. If he reveals the complete secret then I would agree he has a teeny tiny chance for redemption. Any parent who would intentionally put their child in danger of getting killed by assassins should not be forgiven ever.

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  83. Graydon11 February 2015 at 17:14

    I agree though it's not good or fair to get what they're doing.

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  84. Graydon11 February 2015 at 17:17

    I hope he truly does try, but I have a feeling Merlyn might be too broken. Agreed though. It's messed up.

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