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Arrow - Episode 3.12 - Uprising - Producer's Preview

3 Feb 2015

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86 comments:

  1. Koky3 February 2015 at 22:13

    Before I watch, does it have any Oliver scenes?

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  2. Sparky3 February 2015 at 22:15

    nope just Merlyn/Thea, FB to little Tommy/Merlyn scene & Merlyn at funeral.

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  3. O D A3 February 2015 at 22:16

    Oh that wig!! Good God!! Who makes these. So it looks like the Arrow season 1 comics where Merlyn kills his wife's murderer is still canon. It's just a case of mistaken identity. What is going on in Thea's mind?

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  4. maclives3 February 2015 at 22:17

    what's going on up there in Theas beautiful little head? http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1566092/homer-s-mind-2-o.gif

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  5. Sparky3 February 2015 at 22:18

    Nothing, because she is dumb as a post. And to think i was looking forward to her big storyline this season.

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  6. Koky3 February 2015 at 22:20

    OK cool, thanks.

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  7. Ore3 February 2015 at 22:22

    yeah I am not cool with a redemption arc at all. Goodness gracious.

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  8. Kathleen Kervin3 February 2015 at 22:22

    And lying to Tommy that he'll always be there for him -- just before he leaves Tommy for years.

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  9. Koky3 February 2015 at 22:24

    If they tried to redeem Malcolm I will riot!!!!

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  10. maclives3 February 2015 at 22:24

    Go ahead and write your protest slogan "Evil IS Evil"

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  11. Koky3 February 2015 at 22:25

    NO "MALCOLM IS EVIL"

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  12. Koky3 February 2015 at 22:26

    Young Tommy *sniff sniff*

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  13. Bruce_F3 February 2015 at 22:26

    I don't think this is in any way a redemption arc. They simply seem to be giving the audience a better idea of why he is the way he is. I fully expect Malcolm to keep being Malcom - i.e. doing horrible things for what he thinks are good reasons.

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  14. maclives3 February 2015 at 22:27

    Oh my, Barrowman getting to flex his acting muscles


    however it does look like a redemption arc now...what I'm not too cool with

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  15. Sparky3 February 2015 at 22:27

    OMG the tradition of horrendous wigs on Arrow continues.

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  16. Bruce_F3 February 2015 at 22:27

    Oh, Malcolm. You so crazy!

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  17. IvyB3 February 2015 at 22:27

    God help this show if they give him a redemption arc. The man killed 500+ people, among them his son, then he brainwashed his daughter to kill Sara, so he could orchestrate Oliver going up against Ra's and clear his own debt. This asshole doesn't deserve a redemption arc. Don't get me wrong, I love Barrowman and his Malcolm is interesting, but I draw the line at redeeming him.

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  18. Koky3 February 2015 at 22:30

    It's like she is expecting a reasonable explanation as to why he killed all those people.

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  19. O D A3 February 2015 at 22:36

    I don't think this is a redemption arc. More like an origin story. Nothing can change the fact he killed those 503 people. it will only be a redemption arc if he turns a wounded puppy next episode onwards.

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  20. Koky3 February 2015 at 22:37

    "I won't let anything bad happen to you" YOU KILLED HIM YOU LITTLE........................

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  21. O D A3 February 2015 at 22:38

    She was the main attraction for me this year. To see it go down like this is just heart breaking. Please let Thea be the master planner here some how.

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  22. O D A3 February 2015 at 22:39

    Th fact that she can so calmly have this conversation in itself is disturbing.

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  23. Koky3 February 2015 at 22:40

    smh

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  24. Sparky3 February 2015 at 22:41

    so many origins story ... so little time.

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  25. Nick3 February 2015 at 22:53

    I saw the part in wich he has Brick at gunpoint and Oliver is talking him out of killing the villain... We know Brick lives... So Oliver does change his mind.


    If Malcolm breaks and starts screaming "I killed 503 people, including my son, because of him! He made me a monster!" and drops the gun because Oliver tells him he can now redeem himself and let go of the anger by forgiving the life of the man that kill Rebecca...


    Yeah, i will be NOT COOL.

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  26. Pablo Troncoso3 February 2015 at 22:56

    Malcom is insane, that's what adds more tension and unpredictable twits to the show, so I'm all for whatever the writers want to do with him. Crazy like Malcom bring good moments on shows like Arrow

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  27. Koky3 February 2015 at 22:59

    And after all that will you buy him as a good guy? Will you even be interested in his story?

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  28. Pablo Troncoso3 February 2015 at 23:04

    Malcom a good guy? Whahhaha! No.
    Malcom think he is a good guy, but he is actually insane. What I meant is that he is so crazy and twisted that he may work with the good guys and pretend to be good just because it fits him, and that adds an interesting character for Arrow's narrative, a character whose intentions are never really clear. You know he is insane, so when he does good or bad he can swing the other way around rather unpredictably

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  29. maclives3 February 2015 at 23:27

    I could never accept him as a "good guy" or even as an anti hero. He's Green Arrows archnemisis


    Batman never redeemed the Joker either -,-

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  30. JustGotLittUp3 February 2015 at 23:27

    Oh Malcolm...

    https://31.media.tumblr.com/440a7cee5d8e588f3d40da93c11d10a5/tumblr_inline_nj7yd3Iajh1rodziq.gif

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  31. JustGotLittUp3 February 2015 at 23:34

    I mean it would be a redemption arc if anyone actually felt bad for him. Which I doubt anyone will.

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  32. Slade Wilson4 February 2015 at 00:19

    Accurate gif is accurate.

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  33. ivan4 February 2015 at 00:27

    nice Gif LOL

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  34. MckG4 February 2015 at 00:27

    If they want the renewed season 4 to be the last, sure, they should totally do that, make him a hero, or an ally, both is laughable as hell.

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  35. MckG4 February 2015 at 00:27

    And yet again, the producers of this show, showing how at some points they don't give a crap if something is in the sligtest bit believable and realistic. I mean, they can even force something like this in your face of Malcolm really succeeding in saying that out loud, without sinching at all. It shows how cold Malcolm is, how he talks about the Undertakign every time like it was a necessity and he feels bad, but he doesn't! He doesn't feel bad, not really, about Thea, who statisticaly is a killer because of him, nor does he about Oliver.


    But hey! The producers keep telling themselves it so many times, they just start believing that Malcolm is actually some amazing guy that is just misunderstood.


    The worst decision they could make, is actually make Malcolm a hero, or even as much as an ally, just get to the part where he's a nemesis, or get rid of him already, stop forcing us in this middle ground area that only you guys get, and even that I'm not so sure of anymore.


    And I REALLY still mostly hope that we're gonna get an explantion of how Thea can just stand there every time and listen to his crap about the Undertaking and stuff, and especially about Tommy, and just think it's fine, it's BS!

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  36. MckG4 February 2015 at 00:30

    LOL, yeah, in a good way right? xD I mean, if she turns out to be some evil mastermind would be pretty weird too.


    I mean, let's all agree that they should just get their heads back in the game with writing her story, actually hers, not making her an add-on to John Barrowman who they love so much. He is awesome, but it is true, her story has been more about him and weird writing exceptions which they hope we'll keep letting slip.


    It's still such a waste... It really keeps making me sad and pissed.

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  37. AnnoDomini4 February 2015 at 03:24

    No way will S4 be Arrow's last. Stephen Amell seems to be heavily hinting at the sixth season being the show's last, though.

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  38. Shannon4 February 2015 at 04:26

    I laughed at that. If his past self could see his future self now. Tisk tisk tisk, Smmfh.

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  39. Shannon4 February 2015 at 04:27

    Oh wow! A Merlyn flashback. I never thought about that. Ewwww (eww as in Aww, not eww as in gross) I like that! Intrigued! "You're not a killer...but I am." F*ck that's sinister. I like that line, gave me chills.

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  40. Shannon4 February 2015 at 04:28

    LOL

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  41. O D A4 February 2015 at 05:14

    I have moved ahead from sad to plain pissed right now. I am waiting for ep.14 to wash my hands off Thea. If I am not happy with her after that I am going to bash her to my minds content. This keeping up hope is frustrating. I love Willa though. She is awesome.

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  42. O D A4 February 2015 at 05:27

    Definitely in a good way. I am still not ready to let Thea go.

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  43. Graydon4 February 2015 at 07:37

    Uh no. The producers and writers know Malcolm's an asshole. He's merely describing what it was like at first and we will see how he became who he is. It's fleshing him out. Since you know he'll kill Brick probably in this episode who killed his wife. So no, he's not going good. That's the point ti show how cold and ruthless and awful Malcolm is. I don't no why you believe they'd ever make him anything less than a anti-villain/ villain.

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  44. Graydon4 February 2015 at 07:37

    No. They're not in any way.

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  45. Graydon4 February 2015 at 07:38

    They're not trying though. He literally brainwashed his daughter to kill Sara to save his own ass. Why do people think that they'd ever try to redeem him? It makes no sense.

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  46. Graydon4 February 2015 at 07:40

    Dude he killed 503 people, brainwashed Thea. Oh and Oliver wants to kill him. There's no redemption for him. That and episode 17, hints that he'll be responsible for Thea and Oliver being on the island with Slade.

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  47. Graydon4 February 2015 at 07:41

    They're not. People are just overreacting based off really, really, really minuscule details.

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  48. Graydon4 February 2015 at 07:45

    Little different (Malcolm is not being redeemed by the writers nor should be). The Joker is a psychopathic insane mass murderer whose sole reason to live is to spend as much murder and chaos as possible through any means and loves the game he plays with Batman. Malcolm in comparison, is much less crazy and actually has human feelings and emotion to some level. The Joker doesn't even care about his own wellbeing (in basically all comic stories or adaptations).

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  49. O D A4 February 2015 at 08:27

    I like this gif I am stealing it.

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  50. IvyB4 February 2015 at 09:27

    LOL, that never happens with fandom, ever. Yeah, if they wanted to redeem Malcolm, I doubt they would have had him brainwash Thea to kill Sara.

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  51. Ore4 February 2015 at 09:32

    I remember you also insisting that Thea didn't kill Sara the episode before we found out she killed Sara lol. :P You said it made no sense.

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  52. AnnoDomini4 February 2015 at 10:49

    And you say this....why?

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  53. Koky4 February 2015 at 15:54

    Trying to say ewww as awww but it's not working. Still sounds like a disgusted sigh lol

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  54. Koky4 February 2015 at 15:55

    I MISS TOMMY!!!!!!!!!!

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  55. MckG4 February 2015 at 16:07

    Hm... I guess I can't really blame you. I suppose then it's just waiting for the moment where I'm just the only one left that hopes and wants it, while everyone else just hates her character, because of stupid bad writing and John Barrowman crushes in the producers team...


    But actually just waiting for that ep to actually wash your hands off her... That's not really a great way of looking at it, I mean, why not do that now anyway since you've made up your mind? Because of course that's not going exactly as we hope, and of course she's not going to find out then, because we all know that they're going to do that with the last few eps, or just the finale itself again.


    Either way, I'm still just mostly blaming the writing and stuff, because it's just unrealistic and illogical, just like this thing with Malcolm itself. If they really wanted to do this so badly, they should have done it sooner, not when they've already shown that there is no hope for Malcolm at all. Or instead of actually taking that better choice and focussing on Thea, I REALLY don't understand why Malcolm gets THAT much priority over Thea. Not to mention that if this keeps going, I honestly don't understand how Willa Holland just let's this happen, seeing as I'm pretty sure she wanted to play Speedy too, and just have more of a purpose than somebody's little puppet >.<

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  56. ivan4 February 2015 at 16:27

    Merlyn is not capable of love, just like Oliver said

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  57. Koky4 February 2015 at 16:27

    He is a lunatic who thinks he's doing the right thing and that his actions are justified no matter how horrid they are. That's the worst kind of evil, the villain who sees himself as the misunderstood good guy.

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  58. ivan4 February 2015 at 16:27

    how is Thea a killer?

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  59. ivan4 February 2015 at 16:27

    so even a murdering psychopath can see that Thea's not a killer

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  60. MckG4 February 2015 at 16:27

    Because everything this season has gone in against that?
    Like I said before, without any real proof or whatever, Oliver just instantly put him under his protection, like he thought there was good in him. Then we still haven't gotten an explanation further for what the F Malcolm did to Thea further to make her his little pet that almost crawls into bed with him >.<


    And you say that, about the producers and writers that are convinced to keep Slade a nemesis for some weird reason, instead of actually an anti-hero. The same ones that decided that showing Malcolm's evilness, came FAR above the promises about Thea, andj ust making her some extra for him.


    And the only thing this season has been doing is showing Malcolm's sad face and having him constantly talk about the Undertaking like it was the most unpreventable thing in the entire freaking universe. And if they really knew that he was an asshole and embraced it, than they would STOP ruining Thea just to benefit HIS character!


    I just feel like this whole twist and "story" is just way too late, I don't give any rat's ass about Malcolm's story anymore, he's just a monster, we get that.

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  61. JustGotLittUp4 February 2015 at 17:26

    As far as I know, if the writers try to give the villain a sob story to sympathize with the audience, then the writers are probably trying to redeem him. This goes along with Malcolm helping Team Arrow for once. It's sort of like how OUAT treats Regina, or what the writers did for Loki in Thor.

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  62. AnnoDomini4 February 2015 at 18:26

    She killed Sara.

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  63. JustGotLittUp4 February 2015 at 19:18

    how.dare.you :p

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  64. Graydon4 February 2015 at 19:19

    I never once said that about Slade. Malcolm is that character. Thea's still far better than any previous season of her character. He treated her like an adult, with respect and helped make her stronger in her eyes. He took a broken teenager and made her stronger in her eyes. That is what Malcolm Merlyn did. If they wanted you to like Malcolm they wpoukdn't have made him brainwash Thea. He's the magnificent bastard trope in this show.

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  65. JustGotLittUp4 February 2015 at 19:20

    I think we've reached an impasse. I suppose all we can do is just wait and see.

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  66. Koky4 February 2015 at 19:22

    Don't forget Tommy. So yeah, my subconscious is definitely taking control of this one.

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  67. Graydon4 February 2015 at 19:23

    Because I didn't know that Merlyn brainwashed her or would go there.

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  68. Graydon4 February 2015 at 19:24

    Thank you, not enough people in this fandom are willing to do that.

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  69. Graydon4 February 2015 at 19:26

    Because he killed 503 people while showing little remorse. Brainwashed his own daughter to kill for him, manipulated her brother to help save his ass by threatening to get her killed. They aren't looking for redemption.

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  70. Graydon4 February 2015 at 19:27

    Loki's still and asshole. And they gave Merlyn that story. Then had him kill 503 people and brainwash his daughter. They're not doing that.

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  71. Shannon4 February 2015 at 19:27

    I can tell.

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  72. Graydon4 February 2015 at 19:27

    He is, but on a limited basis. He loved Rebecca, he loved Tommy. Hell I think in some twisted way he might love Thea. He's nothing like The Joker.

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  73. JustGotLittUp4 February 2015 at 19:28

    *high five* - We're awesome

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  74. Shannon4 February 2015 at 20:06

    Who would forget Tommy? = /

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  75. MckG4 February 2015 at 20:16

    No, you didn't, but it is factually true basically at this point, while the Dark Archer should be his nemesis, but they keep him like this every time. And he didn make her stronger, not really. He trained her, and who knows how else he manipulated her during that. She wanted control, and he took that away more than anyone ever has, but she just never suspects him, she never flinches when he talks about Tommy like it couldn't be helped. It's weird, sure she might care about him, but she just... Blindly trusts him and accepts him. It's kind of more than she has ever done for Oliver, who she still never let explain that he didn't know for that long at all about Malcolm being her father.


    It makes her seem so blind, or just cold... That she has stood there, multiple times, and like I said, not flinch at all at this stories, she just think sabout it, and accepts it. It's like Robert and Tommy don't matter to her anymore at all. Just like when Oliver started about Tommy, THEN she suddenly had something to say about it that he shouldn't start about it, but Malcolm can?

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  76. Graydon4 February 2015 at 20:27

    Just like your username.

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  77. O D A4 February 2015 at 20:45

    I stole it already and you didn't even know it. I am cool like that ;)

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  78. AnnoDomini4 February 2015 at 22:27

    He killed 503 people thinking he was doing what is right. We already know that Malcolm has a telling change of heart in this episode and that same situation.

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  79. Graydon4 February 2015 at 23:27

    No we don't. All we know is that he wants to kill Brick and that he had a change after Rebecca died. True, but that doesn't make him any less of a villain (anti-villain at best) going off what Merlyn's done and said.

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  80. Graydon4 February 2015 at 23:36

    I think they still matter but Thea was just sick of Oliver talking down to her and doubting her judgement yet again. Being that big brother who doesn't trust her. Seems to have really hurt her. And with Tommy, he is Malcolm's kid and it's not like he's gleefully explaining how he caused his death. He's remorsefully and sadly describing what he's done, in an attempt to teach Thea about the harshness of humanity and the effect of murder and killing on one's self. It's not out of coldness or blind trust I think, more out of Malcolm's training, treating her with respect and seeing how his brutal methods have made her so capable physically and mentally, that has lead her (in combination with her family's lying) to develop the pain is inevitable but suffering is optional mindset regarding loss and to trust Malcolm as a teacher.

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  81. AnnoDomini5 February 2015 at 00:27

    Watch the producer's preview.

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  82. Graydon5 February 2015 at 18:27

    That's not even what they're saying regarding Thea and her family besides Merlyn. Btw in 3x13 she learns he's the Arrow. So the lying ends. Thea will by the end of this arc know who both Oliver and Merlyn really are and will probably start on a quest to becoming a hero. Your taking this to really uncomfortable extremes regarding Thea that isn't completely even justified.

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  83. MckG5 February 2015 at 18:27

    I don't think that's really for sure about that ep. And then when Malcolm lets them end up on Lian Yu with Slade, we're just gonna have to accept that as some kind of weird training? It's not putting them in life-threatening danger, yet again?


    And I still hope so, but it hasn't even been her arc, it's been Malcolm's, with her ad an add-on for him. And she's made plenty clear that she thinks Malcolm is much better for her than Oliver, when it comes to protecting her and everything.


    And I'm doing so, because they are trying to make it a justifiable action, that he made her kill Sara, but I won't forgive him for that, and I do seriously hope that neither will Oliver, not really, and especially Thea herself. Malcolm used her, took from her in that moment EXACTLY what she wanted, and exactly what you're saying that he supposedly did.


    My problem is with Malcolm, I'm getting sick and tired of this grey area they keep putting him in. Why keep Slade crazy and hateful, even without the Mirakuru, while he's supposed to become an anti-hero for as far as I know, but the guy that's supposed to be the nemsis, Malcolm, they keep putting in this grey area, hoping that people will want redemption, but that just wouldn't fit in my opinion. I just want them to come out and make him who he's supposed to be, he even said it himself. He might have true wishes to try and do better, but I don't believe that he can, they've shown multiple times how far gone he is, so stop trying to redeem him. That's my issue. I'm sorry for slightly overreacting, but I still think I have a point, that it's just frustrating, and I know I'm not the only one that thinks so.


    Like I said, I would just have wanted Oliver to take a little bit of time to think about this, not instantly decide to trust Malcolm and let him train him, and yet again, keeping Malcolm lose to Thea, which I just hoped that when back, he would be at least a little more careful about.

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  84. MckG5 February 2015 at 19:13

    I just miss the real Oliver and Thea moments, there have only been a few, and after one, I still think she sounded kind of proud that Oliver didn't suspect anything then. But I can still just see a lot of potential if they just keep that bond, she sees the truth about Malcolm, and like you said, find her own path. But I still just hope that leads to her joining Oliver's side, I still think the two of them together could be pretty awesome.

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  85. Graydon5 February 2015 at 19:27

    Actually Slade is more often a villain (and very occasionally a anti-hero). One time in the comics he knowingly put a chunk of cancer causing Kryptonite in his daughter Rose's eye socket (she cut it out to be more like her funnily enough thanks to Nightwing she's s hero) so it could kill Superboy despite knowing what it'd do to her. Though I disagree on the Merlyn front. I don't think Oliver trusts, likes or wants anything to do with him. He just recognizes his useful and sees it as a necessary evil. Nor do I believe that the writers are in anyway excusing Merlyn's actions. Especially regarding Sara. So do I. I really hope that the next episode on Thea can really learn just what Malcolm can be like (I do think he like comic Slade loves her in his own f*cked way, but I don't think the redemption arc will stick in the end) and find her own path.

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  86. Graydon5 February 2015 at 19:43

    Agreed. I love their bond as siblings and really hope that we get some good bonding once she learns (I believe 3x14 will probably have a lot of that).

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