Hi all, it’s good to be back. Hope you missed the show, and the reviews.
Back in season 9 when I first started writing The Gripe review I compared myself to Simon Cowell, the extremely critical judge of classic American Idol and X-Factor.
One thing that stood out to me about Simon was that he never held back, never forfeited truth and honestly to protect a contestant’s feeling. He called it as he saw it. I’d like to think I did the same with these reviews.
But there was another side to Simon, the side that recognized and acknowledged greatness when he saw it. Precisely why I liked him as a judge. He was so harsh with what he deemed as bad that when he applauded something as good you sat up and paid attention, because you knew his praise wouldn't come for any other reason than greatness.
This week I’m going to do that too, because this week’s episode just might have been the best episode of the season.
In the past I’ve been accused of nitpicking the show, and told that the Gripe Review is about me seeking flaws in the episodes so I could focus on them. Nothing is farther from the truth and hope this review helps to show that. Like Simon, I don’t like it when a writer wastes my time by delivering a subpar episode. Yet also like him, I’m not beyond giving a standing ovation when one does a good job. With a cast of actors this great, it isn’t hard to achieve a grade A episode once the writing is good, which is what happened this week. So this is my standing ovation to Eugenie Ross-Leming and Brad Buckner, the very people I criticized many times in these reviews, because they deserve it for a job well done regardless of what they’ve delivered in the past.
Of course it’s not a Gripe Review without pointing out the stumbles too, but I'll leave those for last and start on a high note.
The Winners
Dean
On a forum this week someone aptly summarized my feelings about Dean in the Hunter Games. They said he showed guts (well they used the word for spherical, rolling objects but let’s go with guts,) not because he was badass, or fierce, or merciless, but because he was honest.
(You will hear me talk about honesty a lot in this review.)
Dean’s strongest moment was when he came to Sam and Cas admitting that what he did was a massacre. He said there was a time he was a hunter, not a stone cold killer. What stands out about this is that he doesn’t sound defeated, or self-deprecating. He sounds truthful if also distraught. Yet he knows he has come to the right people, the only people in the world who care about him. Accepting a setback but not letting it railroad you, along with opening up to loved ones about how you feel, is a sign of strength. It shows Dean’s finally getting the character growth he so deserved and was overdue.
Another example was his interrogation scene with Metatron, which took me back to a similar scene in On the Head of a Pin. What was great about this scene was how organic it felt. Naturally Metatron tried to guilt trip him about the things he’d done in the past, but Dean didn’t lose it right away. He stayed focused until the very end when Metatron took it so far even the viewers felt like punching him. So when Dean punched him I could understand and feel a bit of satisfaction instead of seeing it solely as the effect of the mark. I was with him in his sentiments and reactions, not judging him for them.
Then there’s his last scene with Sam at the table which is made even more effective by Jensen and Jared’s marvelous acting. We could see he was upset, but unlike the autopilot scripts we had had so far – in which he either shut his brother out and told him he was fine, or broke down completely – he was once again open and honest. He told him he didn't blame him and Cas for storming the room (a complete departure from the end of last season.) He acknowledged that he was in trouble without going overboard about it, which then allows the two of them to talk it over like professionals.
I could go on but I’ll stop. There wasn’t one thing about Dean I didn’t like in this episode. Nothing about him seemed forced or plot driven, and everything he did made sense in the context of the person he is now and the situation he is trapped in. It was very refreshing.
Castiel
Speaking of spherical rolling objects Castiel grew a pair too. One of my major problems with Castiel’s writing since season 6 was that he never seemed to stand his ground whenever he was in dispute with the Winchesters. It only took an biting remark from Sam or a scolding look from Dean for him to back down. It happened when he was wrong but had an defensible reason for his actions yet became tongue tied talking about it. It even happened on the rare occasions he was right. It made me think the writers were trying to portray him as spineless or too obsessed with the Winchesters.
That wasn’t the case in this episode. When he heard about the brothers turning to Crowley he became the alarmist he said he didn't want to be. Dean’s reaction was original too. No longer telling his friend off, he actually admitted it was a terrible plan but the only one they had, manning up to his mistake instead of taking it out on the critic. This kind of dialogue elevates both characters because it’s the type of dialogue two supernatural war veterans - as opposed to emotionally hyper preteens – would have.
The other instance of good writing for Castiel was when he and Sam were trying to break down the interrogation room door to get to Dean. At first I was annoyed by Castiel just standing there and letting Sam beat on the door. Then I remembered the issue with his fading grace. It was an excellent choice to make him remind us through his action – or inaction – of this continuity. Had he just blasted the door instead of hesitating it would have been a legitimate gripe to ask why he didn’t worry about the cost.
The only thing still bothering me about Castiel is his new found paternal attachment to Claire and his validation of all the stupid tantrums she has. He should be wise enough to know it is moronic for her to care about a man who sold her to a pervert, yet he is quick to make an excuse for her that puts the blame on him. I also could have done without his silly cellphone/emoticon moment but it seems to be a mandate to have at least one awkward silly Castiel moment every episode.
Sam
What is there to say about Sam that I haven’t said before? How he’s gone from the character I had the most problems with in the previous seasons to the best character of season 10. If there is one credit I would give this season it is the wonderful transformation of Sam Winchester.
Sam’s problem in earlier seasons was that he was always knee deep in trouble, so much so he had no chance to show us the human side of him. We also didn’t get to see things from his perspective, or see him as a reliable person in the Winchesters’ perpetual war against evil.
That is no longer the case because Sam – as far as I’m concerned – is the emotional and logical rock of Team Free Will this season. He’s the one holding the fort, talking sense when the other two lose the thread of reason and reaction. He’s everywhere and like a titan, holds the walls that threaten to collapse on him and his extended family. And he does it casually yet with an almost heartbreaking sense of responsibility, care and intellect.
Consider the scene where Castiel is dragging Metatron to his car and Metatron is ranting and berating him, trying to get under his skin. Castiel says, “This isn’t about me,” and Metatron asks, “So what is it then?” Right at that moment we see Sam step out of the car like a protective big brother and give him the don’t-F-with-me-or-my-friend look that makes Metatron literally take a step back. It’s a very effective scene, asserting the idea that of the three heroes on the show, Sam is the least likely to fall for the bad guy’s BS and therefore the most reliable and formidable one.
The Losers
Crowley and Rowena
Sadly, in an episode where the A plot soared, the B plot fell flat on its face. I’m still struggling to understand where the Rowena/Crowley saga is supposed to go. It’s moving at a snail's pace and repeating the same sequences: Rowena tries to do mischief; Crowley or one of his goons catches her in the deed; she talks herself out of it; goes back to doing mischief.
All I got this episode was the writers trying to hammer the fact that Rowena was a bad mother and Crowley hasn’t forgiven her for it. We knew that already from the first half of the season so the only thing we’re left with is her mischief, and since those didn’t go anywhere the whole plot revolving around Rowena and Crowley seemed like a giant waste of time.
There was a moment when I thought we were making progress and the A and B plots were converging. It was when Rowena found out about and stole the First Blade. I thought about the possibilities that could come out of this plot twist. Rowena being in the possession of the blade and hiding it from Crowley would have been an interesting development that could pull her story out of its stagnant state and make her important to the Winchesters. Unfortunately the writers took that advantage away from her which put us exactly back where we started, with Crowley in charge and Rowena trying to get in his favour. The only plot development they had this episode was Rowena finding out about the blade. I could hope they make use of that eventually but with the helter-skelter way this season has been going I won’t be surprised if they soon forgot about it.
Claire
Through my last review people pretty much know I don’t like Claire. However in this episode even she was better as a character. She wasn’t a more likable or positive character, but she was better in terms of her involvement in the story.
Claire’s idiotic love for her street dad makes her seem like a character with little intellect or attention span, but we could write that off as her being too young and inexperienced. Her problem however is that the writers do the same thing Castiel does with her: coming up with excuses for her reckless behavior and trying to get sympathy from the audience. If they let her be who she really is, a pain in the butt teen that needs a wake up call and a thorough lecture, her character would be much better.
In this episode they came close to that, almost if not quite. I got intrigued by the role she might be playing in the overall story by becoming the thread that could unravel the boys’ hard-woven, fragile tapestry that kept Dean’s hands blood free. Had the writers not flipped her at the end, had she gone along with her friends’ suicidal plan to ‘teach Dean a lesson,’ Dean’s story would have been a lot more complicated. If Dean had killed Claire’s associates the urgency of the situation would have ramped up substantially and Claire’s presence in the story would have found meaning.
Claire chickening out in the last second for no reason, (though I suspect Dean’s good looks might have something to do with it,) made her story pointless. I understand that they wanted to remove her from the show and couldn’t have her mess with the plot too much, but then why add her to the story in the first place, and why create a plothole by having her suddenly lightswitch into caring for Dean and Castiel when ten minutes ago she was willing to rip both of them apart?
Even though I had these issues with Crowley and Claire’s story I don’t blame them on the writers of the episode. It’s likely that the showrunners didn’t want to take the season-long mytharc to certain places that would prevent them from going back to a semi-procedural format. Rowena and Claire becoming too involved with the main plot would make the show more serialized and mythology reliant and that, as I argued in my mid-season finale review, doesn’t seem to be the plan for the show.
Let me know what you think in the comment section. It’s good to start the year with a positive review about a good episode. I would have said I hope the trend continues but next week is the return of Queen Charlie Sue so I'm not holding my breath.
Note: Due to changes in my work schedule I might have to move the reviews to Sundays, to give myself a little time on the weekends to work on them. So if you don't see a Gripe Review next Saturday don’t gripe, it’ll be posted on the next day.
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This episode means that my Christmas wish for new writers for Supernatural didn't come true. Wait! This was filmed before Christmas. Maybe it will just take a few episodes for my Christmas wish to kick in! I just want this show to reach its potential and become good again. We've traded Angel drama for teen angst drama. I want the show to remember it's called SUPERNATURAL, not The Angel Vessell daughter diaries.
ReplyDeleteI been asking the Wish for years well from season 8 too now that the Show can be good again but it never comes true sadly so I gave up and stop wishing it will never happen untell E K steps up and take back his show.
ReplyDeleteI don't quite agree. Angels drama is over (according to Carver) and Claire wasn't a main focus in this episode, she was a subplot B , played her role in moving somewhat forward MoC and probably will disappear for a long time (if not forever).
ReplyDeleteThanks for the comment. I agree, but thankfully they didn't make her the center of the story this week. One could even argue she somewhat helped with Dean's storyline by throwing a few stones. Like I said in the review, I wished they had taken in all the way instead of chickening out and retconning her. But it's worth it if we don't have to hear from her again.
ReplyDeleteMy suspicion about Claire and Rowena is that they were/are there to provide Castiel and Crowley with a story. For some reason (and it could be business related. We're all blind to what goes on behind the scenes after all,) Carver insists on making this an ensemble show with every character (or pair of characters in the case of the brothers) leading a separate plot. The problem is that the B and C plots are usually awful, and they don't last very long so when they end you're left wondering why they were added to the show in the first place.
Thanks, Tessa, I am very pleased to see such a positive review from you, I honestly don't remember when it happened last time. Ironically this episode was disliked by many people so this is just a prove that we all see this show differently and like different things.
ReplyDeleteI did like majority of the episode and I am almost 100% agree with your review (which is a very rare occasion).
Since I am glass-half-full person when it comes to SPN, I'll try to defend some of the "losers" parts of your gripes (like I said I do agree with definition)
1. Crowley-Rowena
Viewer need to be blind to not notice how suddenly smart, intelligent con-man Crowley transformed into mentally challenged, naïve idiot who can not see foul play against him. Really? And Connell acting doesn't help either, she was completely over-the-top in all those "talking herself out" scenes. He knows he's never had visions before, he knows about his mothers powerful abilities, hexbags (he used it on Sara, remember?). So I am hoping that Crowley see everything we see. And he just playing his own game. Otherwise it doesn't make a slightest sense. His residual human feelings can cloud his judgment a little (that's why he let Rowena out of the dungeon) but he didn't let her go completely, right? He keeps his eyes on her, he came back just in time to get FB back. And how did his demon knew about where The Blade was hidden? I think Rowena told him, right? Crowley probably didn't tell anyone, because he doesn't trust anyone. Demon could be just overhearing Crowleys conversation with Winchesters, but Crowley would feel presence of other demon close by. So unless writers decided to dumb him down completely I hope we'll be surprised by Crowley's plot later.
2. Claire
As many of fans I don't give a slight %$% about another teen and her story, but I didn't hate her in this episode . Yes, she is upset about Dean killing Randy, the same guy who gave her up for rape. But here is a thing: it DOES make sense. There are so many books and stories and movies explaining phenomena of Stockholm syndrome, when captives or abused people falling in love and defending abusers. As Cas said, she didn't know anything better and he was kind to her when no one else was. Yes, she was paying back by stealing for him and may be even prostitution, but each time she was placed in foster care or other government facilities she ran away back to him. This is strange and very wrong from our perspective, but from psychological perspective far from unique for troubled kids. Being "free" and "loved" have twisted meaning in their heads.
Again lets look at Claire from real perspective: she is troubled kid, living on-off street for a long time, probably stealing and making money as hooker occasionally (she looks like 18, fake ID is not a problem even in real universe). She goes easily with 2 strangers, and she's been told straight ahead that they'll take her along but it wouldn't for free. She was totally ok with it. So I am not surprised at all Claire wanted revenge against Dean, but she was not a killer, so she bailed at the last moment. Nothing OOS seriously.
Other then that I agree with you "winners". I love Sam this season, even with less screen time I enjoy this character much more then last few seasons with lot of screen time. Its not how long he is on screen, its how much I want to see him on screen . Jared seems like enjoying his character this season too, he elevated his acting, he looks much healthier and happier.
Jensen again delivered superb performances, such a treat.
Overall I would rate this episode 8.5/10. I know many will disagree. But oh well.
Thanks, Tessa, I am very pleased to see such a positive review from you, I honestly don't remember when it happened last time. Ironically this episode was disliked by many people so this is just a prove that we all see this show differently and like different things.
ReplyDeleteI did like majority of the episode and I am almost 100% agree with your review (which is a very rare occasion).
Since I am glass-half-full person when it comes to SPN, I'll try to defend some of the "losers" parts of your gripes (like I said I do agree with definition)
1. Crowley-Rowena
Viewer need to be blind to not notice how suddenly smart, intelligent con-man Crowley transformed into mentally challenged, naïve idiot who can not see foul play against him. Really? And Connell acting doesn't help either, she was completely over-the-top in all those "talking herself out" scenes. He knows he's never had visions before, he knows about his mothers powerful abilities, hexbags (he used it on Sara, remember?). So I am hoping that Crowley see everything we see. And he just playing his own game. Otherwise it doesn't make a slightest sense. His residual human feelings can cloud his judgment a little (that's why he let Rowena out of the dungeon) but he didn't let her go completely, right? He keeps his eyes on her, he came back just in time to get FB back. And how did his demon knew about where The Blade was hidden? I think Rowena told him, right? Crowley probably didn't tell anyone, because he doesn't trust anyone. Demon could be just overhearing Crowleys conversation with Winchesters, but Crowley would feel presence of other demon close by. So unless writers decided to dumb him down completely I hope we'll be surprised by Crowley's plot later.
2. Claire
As many of fans I don't give a slightest ...about another teen and her story, but I didn't hate her in this episode . Yes, she is upset about Dean killing Randy, the same guy who gave her up for rape. But here is a thing: it DOES make sense. There are so many books and stories and movies explaining phenomena of Stockholm syndrome, when captives or abused people falling in love and defending abusers. As Cas said, she didn't know anything better and he was kind to her when no one else was. Yes, she was paying back by stealing for him and may be even prostitution, but each time she was placed in foster care or other government facilities she ran away back to him. This is strange and very wrong from our perspective, but from psychological perspective far from unique for troubled kids. Being "free" and "loved" have twisted meaning in their heads.
Again lets look at Claire from real perspective: she is troubled kid, living on-off street for a long time, probably stealing and making money as hooker occasionally (she looks like 18, fake ID is not a problem even in real universe). She goes easily with 2 strangers, and she's been told straight ahead that they'll take her along but it wouldn't for free. She was totally ok with it. So I am not surprised at all Claire wanted revenge against Dean, but she was not a killer, so she bailed at the last moment. Nothing OOS seriously.
Other then that I agree with you "winners". I love Sam this season, even with less screen time I enjoy this character much more then last few seasons with lot of screen time. Its not how long he is on screen, its how much I want to see him on screen . Jared seems like enjoying his character this season too, he elevated his acting, he looks much healthier and happier.
Jensen again delivered superb performances, such a treat.
Overall I would rate this episode 8.5/10. I know many will disagree. But oh well.
I am sorry why sam have to again reedem self he is doing nothing wrong
ReplyDeleteWe completely disagree on this episode except for the awesomeness that was the Dean/Metatron confrontation, but I did miss your reviews! I esp. wanted a "Gripe Review" on the first half of the season.
ReplyDeleteGlad you are back and that you enjoyed this episode. I wish I had liked it. I am still waiting for a S10 episode to "grab" me. Hasn't happened yet.
Considering Crowley:
ReplyDelete(SPOILERS): based on MS's response to the "manipulation" question during todays Huston con, he send fan back to "watch the show" and was very surprised that fans think Crowley doesn't see his mother manipulates him. In addition, Carver in his latest interview confirmed that and said Crowley just want to understand first what she is trying to accomplish. All of it will lead to a very unexpected story twist towards the end of the season.
I have to agree with the folks who are assessing season 10 (and season 9) as being a long Dean Winchester character study. The writers seem to be stripping Dean back and making him into a better person. He's finally owning up to his mistakes, the hurt he causes others, his selfishness, he's finally showing some actual understanding of what others (Sam,particularly) have been through, he's finally stopped being a dictator and listening to people, he's being supportive of Cas, he's being less judgmental and so much more honest.
ReplyDeleteI have 3 wishes for this season
-Sam to actually have something to do(dont see it happening for the rest of the series tbh)
-the writers to decide what they're doing with Cas because he just seems to be flitting from one storyline to another
-Dean to finally grow up and stop being a self absorbed, self pitying, judgmental a'hole
I hope that at the end of the season I can say that I like DW again but I doubt it, with the one sided writing, the constant DW is always right, the treating Sam like crap and the lack of Dean ever learning any important lessons the writers have all but destroyed this show for me.
I'm just glad that Jared is getting more time with his family now that he's only filming 2/3 days an episode.
I will be over the moon if we get even 1 Sam centric episode this season.
I can NOT stand Rowena. Probably the most annoying character the show has ever had. It seems obvious that she is up to no good and there doesn't even seem to be any hints at an interesting plot twist or plot in general for her.
ReplyDeleteAlso Crowley buying into nearly every one her bag of cheap tricks is also frustrating since Crowley is usually the master manipulator here. This feels completely forced and will no doubt help degrade Crowley as a character.
Claire's story is going nowhere too. No resolutions, no anything. Actually I'm finding Supernatural on the whole to be going nowhere. The show is really spinning it's wheels and the main plots have all been terrible except for the MoC storyline. Every other story ends without so much as a proper resolution, twist or interesting conclusion. They bring characters in, have them fill our screen and then get rid of them when they can't figure out a compelling storyline for them.
This season Supernatural's strong points have been it's MOTW wepisodes and bits and pieces of Dean's story with MoC and such. All other story elements are either super boring, annoying or go nowhere.
I'm still enjoying season 10 but I'm getting real tired of tv in general being dumbed the fuck down. Grimm, Once Upon a Time, Doctor Who, Supernatural and now the Fox executives told the Sleepy Hollow writers to start pushing less overall story and become more procedural or the show is going to be axed.
We are entering into the world of DUMB TV and I don't like it. I shook my head when I found out just about everyone is excited for the upcoming NBC series, "The Slap". Watched the trailer and it played out like a poor parody. Ugh...
Good to know, but that fan isn't the only one thinking that (and wasn't that a condenscending come-back for Mark to make?); most of fandom is. I know these writers like to pull their comic book "Wow! Kazaam!) moments, but there should really be some hint to the audience that Crowley knows he is being manipulated, either through the writing or through Mark's performance. We have gotten none of that -- only fans speculating, "Crowley isn't that stupid. Maybe he knows he is being manipulated;" thus a legitimate question to be asked.
ReplyDeleteIf there was some hint, the fans would all be jonsing to see over-the-top Rowena get her comeuppance, instead of wondering if Crowley took a stupid pill or is blinded by his love of Dean. I mean, seriously, every single interaction Rowena has had, has bought her act; the prostitutes, the demon in the cell with her, loyal Gerald, and even sweet Guthrie.
Maybe Mark should go back and watch her performance.
And I agree with that. Either Connell is great actress and her over-the-top acting suppose to be that sign ( Crowley just cant buy this BS period, may be some smart con, but not this obvious and silly one), or she just delivered plain bad performance, then I am questioning director here, because this episode was directed by not a newbie.
ReplyDeleteI personally think there were hints. Like Crowley shows up right before Rowena got the blade, or him not letting her go, but keeping imprisoned pretty much. Little pauses after each "talk out" speech like he is trying to figure out what is her play this time. He knows about hex bags because he used it himself killing Sara, he knows what power Rowena possessing. IMHO
Thanks for saying you missed the reviews. It gives me encouragement to keep writing them even during busy times.
ReplyDeleteSam has switched places with Dean and is the rock holding everything together in his own Sam-like quiet way. I like that he is not Dean 2.0.
This is what I wanted for Sam for a long time, to stop being the troubles, the wounded, or the possessed and be the support this broken threesome needs. It's always been Dean, but the problem with that is that they kept that role up even when Dean was the one in a mess and hence we got botched story arcs like the Purgatory saga where Sam, instead of trying to find Dean and afterwards help him through his PTSD, was busy with a dram of his own.
Sam this season is great, and frankly I don't even mind if he doesn't patch things up with Dean. Of course if would be great if they let them do that but I don't want to be greedy. As long as he doesn't get hit with another spell and grow a second head, or charged by a divine being to be the prophesied savior of humanity I'm good. Let the man take care of his family for a change.
I think JA has outgrown Supernatural and this stable of writers are incapable of providing the level of material he needs as an actor.I think so too, which is why I get more upset about bad writing on this show than any other show. They have a cast worthy of Breaking Bad material and they give them teen drama and silly juvenile humor episodes.
Unfortunately, Carver says her and Cas' story isn't finished, so she has just been removed from the show for a while. She will be back, and I can't stand her.I more or less suspected it because Carver wants the main cast to live in different stories and only occasionally cross paths and Castiel's leash holder in his storyline is Claire, much like Crowley's who is Rowena. They want to kill time and what better way to do that than to use these minor characters' godawful stories like microwave dinner plots for two of the most intriguing regular characters, and relieve themselves from actually writing for them.
The Overall Episode: The MoC stuff was powerful and intriguing. Unfortunately, it was constantly interrupted by the God-awful Rowena/Crowley and Claire/Cas stories, so much so that I won't be watching that episode again.
Yeah, I think my expectation has dropped to very low levels. I was happy they didn't ruin the MoC at least and the main three + Metatron were handled well. I even suspected (wrongly, I know) that they might be bringing the B plots into the Winchester arc but they didn't so yes, those parts with Claire and Crowley were total wastes of time.
BTW, I maintain that had the writers been willing to portray Claire as something other than a poor little girl who's been victimized by TFW's actions they may have been successful with her. Making her a grey area character capable of misdeeds born from evil intent would have made the character a bit more multidimensional and useful. As it is she's as parasite feeding off of our sympathy for Castiel and using him to stay relevant when he needs to spend his time helping the Winchesters.
If that's aimed at me I don't recall saying that in my review. However some people tend to believe he needs to talk to Dean about the time he left him stranded in Purgatory and later, instead of making it up to him, blamed him for befriending Benny, i.e. the one who did help him out.
ReplyDeleteWhile I agree that those were some of the worst storylines for Sam (only topped later by the awful, forced-down-our-throat-hero-worship scenario of the Trials) I don't care if it is ever brought up or resolved. I'd rather they keep the brothers exactly how they are and not throw anymore conflicts their way. We've had enough Winchester soap opera to last us until season 12.
It was promised that the big bad this season was going to be a witch this season. Here is hoping that Rowena will connect with the Winchester story pretty quick. The episode cut before we could see what Crowley plans on doing with the blade..... and I hope... Oh God do I ever hope that Rowena either hides the blade from Crowley, gives it to Dean behind Sam and Crowley's back, or she puts a spell on it to control Dean and the mark. Because if she just stays in Hell to be Crowley's pet the whole season, well.... that is a waste of a character. She really bugged me this episode, I don't know if it was the acting, or the character, but she was just plain annoying! However, she did get a few good on liners in this episode the "Career Woman" line, and the one she delivered after killing Crowley's underling were uttered brilliantly!
ReplyDeleteWe completely disagree on this episode except for the awesomeness that was the Dean/Metatron confrontation, but I did miss your reviews! I esp. wanted a "Gripe Review" on the first half of the season.
ReplyDeleteI'd love to hear your thoughts on what you disagrees with and why.
I included the GR for the first half of the season in the the mid-season finale review. There simply wasn't enough material to create a separate review since the main cast had been featured very lightly. I sincerely hope that formula changes in the second half of the season because it feels like watching a different show.
I'm so glad you guys enjoy my reviews since I sometimes wonder if people think I say the same thing over and over, so I try to change things up. I truly enjoyed the MoC parts of this episode but - as you've probably noticed - most of my attention is always on the characters, particularly the trifecta of Sam, Dean and Castiel. So I may hand-wave the flaws of the plot ever so often if these characters are written in character and well and if I could buy their scenes and interactions.
TV has been dumb for years and years. I quit watching it, with the exception of SPN and the news (and I even skip that a lot).
ReplyDeleteWhat ticks me off is this new rash of teenagers and teen angst stories on SPN. I am assuming the network told Carver to go for the young and the dumb and to bring the show more in-lne with the CW's targeted market; therefore, all the teen angst, melodrama, the current pop culture references, and the poor attempt at humor, along with the 'my life sucks' and it is everybody's fault.
Each and every one of the episodes seems to be written for the Twitter/Tumblr crowd by writers who give every appearance of getting their story ideas from fanfic.
I am sorry here I hate the Soap Opera crap too but I do not think Dean has got redeem too for the putting a Killer Angel in Sam last season so I think they are never going to be redeem for anything they done by the Fans and that Sucks. I was really pissed off with the beginning of season 8 with that but I blame the writers for Sam not finding Dean if EK was there he would let Sam find Dean it was all Carver doing and the Trials was a Waste of time I wanted Sam too Close the Gates but they had too put that if he did he would Die well that Sucks and do not get me started with season 9 that got so messed up too the point that I am not Watching much of season 10 a few Eps here and there but I just is getting tired of it with all the Drama with it I was thinking this show was about saving people hunting thing you know the rest I think they really forgot about that and it really sucks Sorry but that's the way I feel right now.
ReplyDeleteI liked your review but I have one question: the couple (and I don't know if anybody else caught that the sleazy guy shooting pool with Claire played the uncle in Family Remains) that befriended Claire and took her to their trailer and THEN attacked Dean with a baseball bat and an AXE confused me.
ReplyDeleteFIRST I thought they were supernatural characters egging Claire into getting Dean alone and attackable. THEN I thought Claire knew they were supernatural characters and was subtly manipulating THEM into attacking Dean. Then when they brought an axe and a bat to a Dean Winchester ass-kicking I realized they were just too violence junkies.
But that still made no sense.
Anybody got any ideas?
I know that Claire is annoying, but I believe she has a real GRIPE with these people too. They "saved the world" but ruined her life.
ReplyDeleteThey're the good guys and she ended up homeless. (I personally believe her mom gave her to her gramma because demons were circling. Castiel did NOT protect them even though he told Jimmy he would.)
So while I might personally love Sam, Dean, and Castiel, I have to accept that someone in Claire's position might feel differently.
But she is annoying. My kids at that age were annoying too. (I just remember how they were embarrassed for me all the time. Not cool, mom.) I liked the actress as little Claire in The Rapture, and am glad they brought her back this season. But, boy, they really weighed her down with make-up, can't really see her face, and if I didn't KNOW it was the same actress in both seasons I wouldn't KNOW it.
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind while I am watching Rowena's plots go forward.
ReplyDeleteI personally want to see her grab The First Blade, try to take Hell, have Crowley whine to Dean about his mommy issues, Dean go to Hell to get The First Blade, Blade-fu it into his hot little hand and Take Her Out of the Show.
While I agree that those were some of the worst storylines for Sam (only topped later by the awful, forced-down-our-throat-hero-worship scenario of the Trials) I don't care if it is ever brought up or resolved.
ReplyDeleteCould you clarify what you mean by that?
My suspicion about Claire and Rowena is that they were/are there to provide Castiel and Crowley with a story.
ReplyDeleteTessa Hi, yes on both counts. Rowena is playing games with Crowley. She put the hex bag on his thrown to throw that dream in to his mind. She was trying to find out where her son was going and sussed out that Guthery was a traveler and sent him after the first blade as she knew that her son was after it. Its a bit of cat and mouse again. I haven't worked out why she killed My suspicion about Claire and Rowena is that they were/are there to provide Castiel and Crowley with a story, perhaps someone can enlighten me? Rowena is trying to keep Crowley from his thrown so she can take charge basically. Its a bit of a weak story if this is her only role. But JC did say that all characters would have personal struggles. I do love Rowena, and think she is really playing Crowley and they are both undermining one another as quick as anything. They are both as bad as one another with their scheming, manipulating and so on.
Claire is a harder one to understand. I think she is a troubled soul, where she finds it hard to fit in. She desperately wants to seek affection from Cas but knows her father is no longer in the vessel. She is driven in that she wants a place in his heart but can't quite trust him. She yearns for a place to feel like home. She had that with Randy which was taken away from her. And her mother and father split up. So she is going from place to place just to feel as though she belongs. She is a drifter and a loaner and she found a father figure in Randy if only briefly, then Cas shows up. She is one confused kid at the moment.
Could you clarify what you mean by that?I would need a whole review to explain that one, but I'll try. Essentially the Trial storyline was the worst idea the writers could come up with for Sam's character at that point in the narrative. He'd was fresh out of some questionable choices like leaving Dean stranded in Purgatory and running after a boring married woman, and the writers' brilliant idea to the viewers' good graces was to make him a Sue? The guy who "singularly" would close the gates of hell, was shilled by every main, secondary and bit character, suffered horrible ailments due to his sacrifice since he's so heroic, and have the other main character orbit around him and be his dog? If someone asked me what the worst mytharc of the Supernatural series in all its 10 years were, that would be it.
ReplyDeleteYes Dean did some very horrible things too, as you said, like tricking Sam into having a crazy angel inside him and yet never warning Kevin about such a dangerous being close by, not to mention kicking Castiel out of the bunker when he knew he was a helpless human with every fallen angel out for his blood...ack, don't want to even think about those episodes. Some of Carver's ideas for the brothers were the worst I could have ever imagined. It was as if he intentionally wanted to portray them as douchbags. That's why, even though I'm pissed with the way they are sidelined in season 10, I also see the silver lining of him leaving them alone to be a team and care for each other and their friends instead of pulling the rug out from under each other and the rest of the characters all the time.
ReplyDeleteYou're right; they keep referencing Season 4 Claire and showing her "grown into" Season 10 Claire so I thought it was the same Claire.
ReplyDeleteI thought any difference in appearance was related to the partially shaved side of her head, frizzy hair and gobs of makeup.
I checked IMDB and I should've before I said that; it's just they looked SO MUCH alike (good casting then).
Hi Bella, really happy to see you here.
ReplyDeleteYes Rowena and Clair are excuses so Crowley and Cas won't have to follow the Winchester arc and Carver could have his dream ensemble show which he seems to be more comfortable with.
Rowena is trying to keep Crowley from his thrown so she can take charge basically. But how? She's not a demon, she's a witch. It's the throne of Hell. She can't go there unless she's dead and even then she'd be one of the souls in Crowley's endless lineup.
Claire is a harder one to understand. I think she is a troubled soul, where she finds it hard to fit in.Whatever she is she has to at least be likable, and she can't be that by constantly throwing fits, blaming Castiel for a decision her father himself made (which btw, ended up saving the world,) and trying to kill Dean because he killed her rape facilitator. Her head is so far up her butt it's really hard to sympathize with her, especially on a show where 95% of the characters have been through some sort of traumatic life experience one way or another and most of them pull through without acting like spoiled brats.
She desperately wants to seek affection from Cas but knows her father is no longer in the vessel. She is driven in that she wants a place in his heart but can't quite trust him.Again, she's an idiot if she doesn't know she already has that place. And Carver is one too if this is his attempt to find someone to take Dean's place in Castiel's heart (after Hannah so miserably failed,) just so he could avoid being accused of queerbaiting.
Quoting Disqus :
ReplyDeleteHe'd was fresh out of some questionable choices like leaving Dean stranded in Purgatory and running after a boring married woman, and the writers' brilliant idea to the viewers' good graces was to make him a Sue?
ReplyDeleteThat’s if you don’t believe that Sam had a breakdown.
and have the other main character orbit around him and be his dog?
How was it shown that Dean was Sam’s “dog” in your opinion?
Whatever she is she has to at least be likable, and she can't be that by constantly throwing fits, blaming Castiel for a decision her father himself made (which btw, ended up saving the world,)
ReplyDeleteThe only reason Jimmy let Castiel in again was so his young daughter wouldn’t be put through what he had been put through.
4.20 The Rapture
Castiel: Of course we keep our promises. Of course you have our gratitude. You served us well. Your work is done. It's time to go home now. Your real home. You'll rest forever in the fields of the Lord. Rest now, Jimmy.
Jimmy: No. Claire?
Castiel: She's with me now. She's chosen. It's in her blood, as it was in yours.
Jimmy: Please, Castiel. Me, just take me. Take me, please.
Castiel: I wanna make sure you understand. You won't die or age. If this last
year was painful for you, picture a hundred, a thousand more like it.
Jimmy: It doesn't matter. You take me. Just take me.
Castiel: As you wish.
Dean: Cas, hold up. What were you gonna tell me?
Castiel: I learned my lesson while I was away, Dean. I serve heaven, I don't
serve man, and I certainly don't serve you.
No wonder she saw him as a monster. (And at the time Castiel was
working towards the apocalypse being started.)
And Carver is one too if this is his attempt to find someone to take Dean's place in Castiel's heart (after Hannah so miserably failed,) just so he could avoid being accused of queerbaiting.
What does Destiel got to do with anything?
RE: "I don't even mind if he doesn't patch things up with Dean. Of course if would be great if he did but I don't want to be greedy. As long as he doesn't get hit with another spell and grow a second head, or get charged by a divine being to be the prophesied savior of humanity I'm good. Let the man take care of his family for a change."
ReplyDeleteI hear that, but I think I am more looking for that "maturity" that JC keeps talking about. Patching things up with Dean is only part of it. I remember back in S3 when Sam wanted Dean to turn into a pieced together monster (Doc Benton); even offering to do the same thing himself, to keep Dean alive.
JC keeps saying there is 'nothing Sam won't do" to help Dean this season, but the Doc Benton thing showed that Sam would drop all morality and ethics way back then in his efforts to 'save' Dean, and here is where the 'patching things up with Dean' comes in.
If Sam's character is to show any true growth, and the audience to actually see that growth and not have the two words, "I lied" cover everything as some big revelation, Sam needs to examine himself, why he lied to himself at the beginning of S8, why he managed to forget his confession at the end of S8, and why he has had a history of making bad choices. His actions towards Dean in S9 would be a part of that. It's all wrapped up in why Sam continues to have the same impulses and the same lack of control that leads him to do 'questionable' things in the name of keeping the brothers together. That is what I have been looking for from Sam's character for a long time.
Telling the viewers "there isn't anything Sam won't do to protect his brother" this season is a rehash of what Sam has done for years and years. That is not character growth at all, nor is it any indication that he knows much about Dean or himself.
Dean has his own problems, of course. He needs to find self-worth aside from what Sam thinks of him, shed the guilt, stop wringing his hands, and become the hunter he should be by now. I don't expect Dean to quit being the caregiver; that's what he is, but enough of the guilt and teenaged angst from that character. I do think he has accepted Sam as his better, which isn't the right view at all. He needs to get back to accepting Sam as his equal. Dean, born hunter that he is, should be turning into a more hardened (John, Bobby, Rufus type hunter, and Sam should be grown up enough now that he truly does keep Dean 'human' and from crossing lines.
P.S. Some story like that for the Winchesters would also move the show back into making hunting look like a noble profession, instead of something only losers do. That has bugged me for a long time now. I want hunting things and saving people back as the 'family business.'
Just some detailed thoughts to further explain what I meant by "redeem" in my earlier post.
I hated the Samelia storyline too. In fact, I don't know anyone who liked it, but it's simply not true that Sam was chasing after a married woman. Sam learned her husband wasn't dead and left her soon after that. He was headed to Rufus's cabin to figure out his next move when he ran into Dean. Yes, he had multiple boring, pointless FBs about her, but we didn't see him calling her or trying to get w/her again. He only went to her that one time b/c Dean sent him to her IIRC.
ReplyDeleteI thought the first half of S8 was awful. It felt like a completely different show, and Sam was very OOC to me. His "story" during this period was never properly told b/c Carver didn't care enough to write one. We'll never know why Sam thought Dean was dead. We'll never know why he decided to ditch Kevin and Meg. It was never clear why he had issues w/Benny when Sam - of all ppl - would be the first one to give Benny the benefit of the doubt. Early S8 was a mess. ATGB kicked off a few good episodes, but then it all went to crap again.
I never had a preference who did the trials. I don't think taking them on made Sam any MORE heroic than Dean who had also decided to do them. I know some say the trials purified Sam's blood but do we know that for sure? That was just something Sam said when he appeared to be delirious. Carver never clarified. The trials turned out to be pointless but at least Sam got to express himself at the end in Sacrifice, saying many of the things I have always thought (i.e., that Dean's opinion of him means a great deal to him). I enjoyed that one scene from that boring episode.
Whether or not one believes Claire has a legitimate gripe or not, her character was ill-conceived and ill-presented, so much so that I don't have any sympathy for her at all. If she is supposed to be a 'victim' of the heroes, then there should have been something in her (or the writing) that would gain some sympathy from the audience -- enough to overcome the bad acting for sure. Making her dumb as a fence post sure doesn't gain her sympathy; it's what makes her character more annoying.
ReplyDeleteThe only reason Jimmy let Castiel in again was so his young daughter wouldn’t be put through what he had been put through.I was referring to his original decision, the one he made and only was released from when the angels kidnapped Castiel out of his body and forced him to take Claire. That decision was all Jimmy's, knowing full well what he was getting himself into, so he should have stood by it. You can't make such a huge commitment then back out when things get too rough. You can't join the army and then desert once you see the battlefield.
ReplyDeleteWhat does Destiel got to do with anything?Destiel doesn't have to have to do with anything, like many ships in many fandoms don't and are left alone by the creators for fans to indulge and enjoy. The problem with the creators and cast of Supernatural is that they can't shut up about it and do the same. It has to do with their brilliant solution of destroying any trace of the ship and anything that could slightly be interpreted as it in canon (like, I don't know, Dean being humane toward Castiel instead of a dick,) so that they won't have to deal with their guilt-induced, imaginary elephant in the room with the sign around its neck that says, "You are cowards and queerbaiters! Get your stiff, heteronormative heads out of your assess and learn to have some fun."
After the mess with Amelia (whom many people speculated was a supernatural being on a mission to ruin Sam but ended up being just a normal broad,) I don't guess at anyone being anything more exciting than a regular Joe anymore. My initial idea about the role of that couple was that they would attack Dean and Dean would end up killing them, setting him back to where he started and undoing all the hard work Sam and Castiel had put in to keep him away from bloodshed. I thought the writers were going to use them as a way to tighten the screws on Dean and ramp up the emergency of his situation. Turns out they were just using them to make Claire look good, so she'd do a 180 and become the loving, caring adoptive daughter of everyone. Why they thought they had to take her that far to the dark side to then lightswitch her back I don't know. All I know is that as far as I could see, that was the purpose for the Bonnie and Clyde copycats.
ReplyDeleteI had no problem with her being married as I did with her being boring and one dimensional. There was nothing interesting about her yet Sam's whole being was centered around her at the expense of his brother and his brother's friend (Benny) who got bulldozed in the process. It was as if Sam checked his brain at Amelia's door at that time. I don't know which character the writers thought they were writing for, but it certainly wasn't Sam.
ReplyDeleteThe Trials were a failure for many reasons but mostly because they put Sam in a suffering-hero role instead of a supporter and protector role which he desperately needed to be after the Amelia snafu. People begged for proof that Sam did in fact care about Dean and what did we get instead? More proof that Dean cared about Sam, which after what happened in the first half of the season did make him seem like a dog. A kicked dog who still crawls back to his owner because it loves him so much, even though that owner is always busy doing his own business and doesn't even notice when the dog's in need. And we were asked to sympathize with that owner (instead of the dog) because, oh no, he was withering away and every Jane, Dick and Larry was falling over each other to point out how much he was hurting to fight a quest we didn't have the slightest idea why it mattered.
How was it shown that Dean was Sam’s “dog” in your opinion?I meant it as a metaphor. Check out my answer to lala2. Dean acted like a kicked dog (kicked as in left alone by Sam in Purgatory, then Sam going off at him for relying on Benny.) He crawled back to him and forgave everything simply because his brother was - once again for the umpteenth time - brutally tormented by some supernatural fate that had befallen him.
ReplyDeleteI don't agree, but I DO understand what you are saying because so many people have said the same thing (but not as artfully as you to tell you the truth); I am probably filtering her thru the lens of my memories of my kids.
ReplyDeleteI started OUT having sympathy for her because of the way she got screwed over.
A lot of people are discussing how this year we are "going back" to the aftermath of normal human beings (or what STARTED as normal human beings) dealing with a post-Winchester meeting. And it is NOT often the Winchesters fault that people like Cole or Kate (seen this year) ended up all messed up. It seems like practically anybody who has any real interaction with the supernatural world that Supernatural posits ends up screwed.
It may just be me, I didn't dislike Krissy either; she was the archetypal "kid acting tough" to me and her Dad was such a nice guy I liked her even MORE once we met him. Aiden the same; Josie was not portrayed as such a hard-ass. And even the first three iterations of Charlie (I really liked Larp and the Real Girl and Pac-Man Fever) but I really HATED Slumber Party.
I know most people think the recurring-character types are poorly-written.
But I don't find them all that hard to take (Garth was OK in Southern Comfort and he was a scream in the Shoji drunking episode).
Ginger and I were just discussing/disagreeing re Claire being a "poorly drawn character" and I just think Mr and Mrs Trailer Trash were the two MOST ill-conceived characters in the last couple of years. And that includes the man witch/dog familiar episode (which I had always thought was The Most Badly Conceived Couple Ever).
ReplyDeleteBut not the Mr and Mrs Witches who needed Dr Dean to step in for Dr Phil and HEAL THEIR MARRIAGE (at least THOSE two were played by charismatic actors -- get the reference? haha). Just stupid in every sense of the word.
so true but the season is not over yet! it could happen again.
ReplyDeleteI certainly am not trying to change anybody's mind. We all have our own perspective about what we see and like. Personally, I have no sympathy for stupidity and Claire is stupid AND bratty.
ReplyDeleteI don't buy into the idea that this year the show is looking back at people who have encountered the Winchesters. If that is the case, then hunting is being shown as doing more harm than good, something terrible, and as something only losers do because they can't do anything else. Actually, I think the show has been saying that for several years now, and I much prefer when the idea was that the Winchesters were heroes who hunted evil to save people from the things that destroyed their lives. That idea was honorable. Rather, I think this season that humans have become the MotW, and I'm not all that excited with that thought either. When I watch shows such as this, I like to see what makes humans human versus the chaos of evil and/or life.
Krissy was a mini-Dean Winchester and was an Adam Glass self-insert who managed to save three experienced hunters all by herself, despite her own stupidity. Same thing with young Dean in Bad Boys -- another Adam Glass self-insert, and he didn't mind trashing canon to put himself into his 'character.'
If you think back, you will see that Charlie's first appearance was when the brothers started taking a passive, secondary role in episodes, and now that's what we are getting as routine fare most of the time. They hid out safely in a van while Charlie took all the risks and was the sole focus of the action (until the last couple of minutes).
Charlie is Robbie Thompson's author self-insert and a straight up Mary Sue. She is just an average, normal person who, deep down inside, is so very special. Any viewer can insert themselves in her character, because she has no core personality; she's just awesome in every way.
She was alone most of her life, but she was too "special" for foster care. She is a grade school drop out (because we learned that she went on the run at age 12), but through magic, got money, educated herself in what was important (gaming and computers), and did all sorts of 'fun' things. She picks up things quickly, and is too 'special' to be copied by the Leviathans because of her special 'spark.' The Winchesters certainly were not special, because they were copied. A fairy falls for her, her loyal subjects worship her, Dorothy falls for her, Dean wants her for a little sister, Sam announces her a Woman of Letters and announces she is the smartest person in the room.
Charlie is awesome hero and damsel in distress all at once. It takes our heroes (and other hunters) years and years to learn to be hunters and gain knowledge of the supernatural; but step aside, here comes Charlie with an iPad, but she needs something more than mere ghosts and vampires. She needs adventure, challenges, and something a little more 'magically' engaging.
SPOILERS AHEAD!!!
Now she is back, and she will get to beat up the heroes, but...oh, no...the viewers would not like that, so let's give her a doppleganger. That way she will be able to throw MoC Dean around with ease, but the audience won't complain and Charlie's image (which is really Thompson's image of fan favorite awesome writer) will remain intact.
Just my opinion on those characters you mentioned. As far as the Shoji drinking episode (Party On, Garth), I want to see the little Japanese chef (priest) back. I loved that guy!
TBH ill conceived, plot device bit characters haven't been a rarity on this show since season 7.
ReplyDeleteBut did he really forgive Sam? Didn't the penny episode and Sacrifice show that Dean hadn't really forgiven Sam for anything? Heck, he even blamed Sam for being soulless . . . OOC I know, but still. I don't know if Dean has truly forgiven Sam.
ReplyDeleteNO NO NO there was NEVER a worse conceived character than RUBY.
ReplyDeleteI NEVER saw RUBY where I did not want to punch her in the face. And keep on punching her in the face. GOD IN HEAVEN I hated that character.
And she was from SEASON THREE. So blame Kripke.
That season they brought on Bela (and trashed her in every way they could, just because the new CW wanted a BABE on the show) and RUBY (and Ruby WAS Kripke's invention and he was proud and happy to be her papa).
Kripke kept claiming that Ruby was ambiguous, nobody knew her agenda.
I could tell her agenda the way she always stood behind Sam and smirked at Dean. Now I could sort of buy Ruby1 and her hold on Sam. She had told Sam that she could help him save Dean and he was so frantic and desperate.
But AFTER Dean came back and we had Ruby2 it was all about the sex and the blood. And his need for revenge against Lillith. BUT HE HAD DEAN BACK so it was all about the sex and the blood. God she was leading him by the shorthairs the whole of Season 4. It was awful. Make her somebody who WAS ambiguous. Have her behave normally with Dean just because then I might not have hated her. But every time she said jump Sam said how high. It was all about the sex and the blood. And I think that created a conundrum for Sam's character as bad as the Season 8 Samelia walkabout. I liked Sam a LOT in the first Mytharc. I could feel how desperate he was every single episode to save Dean. So Ruby1 was a dubious choice but the only one claiming an ability to save Dean. But Ruby2? And she was directed to be the smirky babe going nya nya nya at Dean while hiding behind Sam.
I gave you my list of The Worst of the Worst (the dog lover and his dog; I did not like the Greek gods, they weren't in any way immortal or majestic; and Mr and Mrs Bickering Witches). I agree that there were some waste of space types in later years (and I actually liked the uber plots of seasons 6 and 7) but boy, nobody comes close to my Ruby Season 4 hate.
PS Or maybe I mean something other than you do by Ill-Conceived? "Could never ever ever work" v "I hate that character to the end of my days"?
What I don't like in this regard is that the show has recreated Team Free Will but cut the emotional ties between Dean and Castiel.
ReplyDeleteListen, I don't need to think of them as a COUPLE couple to enjoy them as two characters who are the kind of friends I dream about having. I've had this conversation many times with other fans: Castiel is NOT HUMAN and doesn't know how to behave. He effectively put DEAN IN THE PLACE OF GOD in his life. Angels were created to ADORE AND OBEY GOD. So Castiel behaved with ADORATION AND LOVE towards Dean.
As time has gone on he has found Dean to be occasionally fallible. But nothing and nobody gets between Dean and Castiel. If Claire had tried to kill Dean and Castiel came upon them he might have injured or even killed Claire to save Dean. Saying Dean is his God just sounds wrong, but I don't think Castiel ever had any other frame of reference for his feelings.
HE'S NOT HUMAN. Well, he wasn't, then he was, and he has learned not to lean too close or that kind of stuff. Because Dean said it looked weird.
But I think the course correction was too abrupt and makes no sense.
Abner seemed to love his family (before Gadreel killed him) in the human sense; I thought Daniel and whatshername had a relationship. So angels can "love" love. So I am torn here. I just wish they had a better solution than to make the characters so removed from each other.
You've expressed your feelings in this regard, Tessa. I understand. And I will say I really liked the storyline of Castiel finding more and more admiration for Dean in Season 4, the slow buildup was pretty special. And, after my rant about Kripke's Ruby, I want to thank Kripke for developing.
It's very hard for me to analyze early S8 Sam b/c he was written so completely OOC in my opinion. He was like a completely different character. I couldn't understand his motivation or anything about him. He was very poorly written.
ReplyDeleteAmelia was horrible. The less said about her the better.
I guess I can't say I wanted to see proof that Sam cared about Dean in S8. I know Sam cares about Dean. When writing is really bad, I don't see the character anymore; I just see the writing, and when it comes to early S8 Sam, all I see is bad writing.
The Trials were a failure for many reasons but mostly because they put Sam in a suffering-hero role instead of a supporter and protector role which he desperately needed to be after the Amelia snafu. People begged for proof that Sam did in fact care about Dean and what did we get instead? More proof that Dean cared about Sam, which after what happened in the first half of the season did make him seem like a dog.
ReplyDeleteAre these the same people who were all “Doesn’t Sam still love Dean??” during season nine?
to fight a quest we didn't have the slightest idea why it mattered
You had no idea why closing the Gates of Hell mattered to these characters?
I was referring to his
ReplyDeleteoriginal decision
What Claire witnessed and felt had a far
bigger impact on her as one would assume. So of course she was going to hold
Castiel accountable for what happened to her father. That was no angelic
Castiel in 4.20 The Rapture.
That decision was all
Jimmy's, knowing full well what he was getting himself into, so he should have
stood by it.
It’s clear that Jimmy hadn’t had full understanding of what he was signing up for as evidenced by Castiel telling Jimmy, “I wanna make sure you understand. You won't die or age. If this last year was painful for you, picture a hundred, a thousand more like it,” before Castiel possessed Jimmy for the second time. I bet Castiel hadn’t been so forthright about what an angel’s vessel is put through when Castiel had originally courted Jimmy to say yes.
Unfortunately, this whole thing comes across as further proof that mostly Dean/Cas-fans promote the idea of “team free will”. Dean is still supposed to have a special place in Castiel’s heart, Dean and Cas are supposed to share a more profound bond – who cares about the relationship between Sam and Cas in that equation. To me, the word “team” indicates an equal partnership between all members of the team. Not Dean/Cas and “Sam can tag along so we don’t look like we want to sideline Sam.”