2x15 - "Spellcaster" (02-Feb-2015)
While preparing for an auction of mementos and artifacts once belonging to Queen Elizabeth I, the discovery of “The Grand Grimoire” – a rare journal containing spells of forbidden black magic which once belonged to the Royal Court’s “sorcerer supreme” – attracts the attention of Solomon Kent, a powerful warlock who, despite his own magical nature, was responsible for triggering the Salem Witch Trials. Having escaped Purgatory in the wake of Moloch’s death, Kent has come to claim the powerful tome for his own malevolent purposes. Following the mysterious deaths of two auction house employees, Crane and Mills are called in to investigate and, after learning of the mystical book’s recent reappearance, elicit Katrina’s help in their mission. Katrina learns that despite the book’s power, Kent will not be able to avail himself of the spells within until he locates several of the book’s missing pages, and Ichabod and Abbie race to secure them before their foe can... but they may already be too late. Meanwhile, Frank Irving tells Abbie that his soul is “clean” in the hopes it will allay her concerns about his being under demonic control, but she remains understandably suspicious. And Henry, unsure of his new place in the world, struggles to find his identity, while Katrina learns something new – and unsettling – about herself and her powers.
SPECIAL GUESTS:
JOHNATHON SCHAECH - Solomon Kent
PRODUCTION CREDITS:
Written by ALBERT KIM
Directed by PAUL EDWARDS
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Ugh. The undoing of Katrina continues. This show is just going to keep chipping away at her. Also, giving Jenny some good sublots would be nice, Sleepy Hollow writers.
ReplyDeleteMeh I enjoy Katrina especially in the last two eps. I definitely like she's using her witchcraft more and more. Plus I like that she does what she wants and doesn't listen to every damn thing Ichabod and Abbie tell her, of late they are both obnoxious about it.
ReplyDeleteI really really like the sound of this ep. So far this post Moloch thing is working out better than I'd hoped.
ReplyDeleteI don't mind Katrina being an independent thinker and being vigilant about her belief in others. What I loathe is the emotional manipulation of her own husband.
ReplyDeleteWhat the hell are they up to
ReplyDeleteHaha maybe we're watching two different shows. I don't find her all that manipulative. And maybe there are simply scenes I'm forgetting, but in my mind, I recall a few scenes that COULD be interpreted as that, but they were usually in regards to a decision Katrina was making and she was trying to convince Ichabod to look at it from her perspective because he was upset... But, to me, that's not manipulation. What are referring to specifically?
ReplyDeleteI have a bigger problem with Ichabod feeling like Katrina has ripped out his heart EVERY time he finds out the SLIGHTEST information that he didn't know about. It gets utterly pathetic at times, and he holds on to his anger far too long. And generally there wouldn't even be as much drama happening, if he'd just take a friggin SECOND to step out of his emotions and look at things rationally, try to think like Katrina, to understand her, but no, instead he cries about it for a couple of days until he gets kindasorta over it.
On the other hand, with the increasing drama between Ichabod and Katrina, it seems the writers make more of an effort to get one on one scenes with Abbie and Katrina, which are my favorite.
Ichabod and Katrina had a one-on-one scene just last week about her being emotionally manipulative? How did you miss that? Moreover, this show has made Katrina the snake in the Garden of Eden. She's constantly tempting and pulling at Ichabod to make decisions that conflict with his role as a Witness, whether it's saving Jeremy or fixing Abraham, or generally asking him to have compassion for a Horseman of the Apocalypse. She is blatantly an obstacle on this show and they're slowly turning her into a villain or, at the very least, setting her up for a fall.
ReplyDeleteOh, also forgot:
ReplyDeleteYou want Ichabod to step back and "understand" Katrina when he really can't. When the person you're trying to understand is persistently keeping important information about herself a secret it's impossible. Every time you think you've got her figured out she drops something else in your lap and you're forced to reevaluate. Ichabod is hurt because he has every right to be. He can't be understanding unless she starts being open and honest.
Wow I am going to love this episode. As always happy to see the group banding together and more so to read Katrina is part of it. Frank trying to reassure Abbie doesn't sound good. He either doesn't know himself or knows something bad is in him. Yay for more flashbacks. Love how Sleepy Hollow integrates them within the story. Salem Trials on of my favourite historical fascinations and I know it's been changed and used in the show but still, can't wait.
ReplyDeleteThey're wasting so much time on Katrina, she is killing the show.
ReplyDeleteso this is the Salem Witch Trials episode AWESOME!!!, i'm scared for Katrina what's happening?
ReplyDeleteIf she goes evil I'll go evil with her I love her too much to let go. More worried about seeing her & all the cast again. Fox hasn't renewed yet. Ratings are good but not great so a cancellation could be in the air. Fox has bought new shows so they need room. I hope for no cliffhanger at least but writers love it so... 18 episodes and a cut :/
ReplyDeleteAnd the Katrina stanning from Goffman continues. Fox, if you want this show to keep going, you fire that POS and get a new showrunner or rehire the ones that jumped ship after S1
ReplyDeleteI so agree with what you said. I want them to stay married. I think Ichabod need to sit down and talk to Katrina instead of always saying this is not the time or place to discuss this. I think he need to figure how she feels she in and new time with only him and he is not talking to her. She see how he is with Abbie and spending more time with Abbie. I think she feels she is losing him and doesn't know how to handle it. He does love her because he still call her my love and when he woke up it was her name he said. I hope the writer are not listening to the ones that want her dead.
ReplyDeleteActually, Nicole Beharie/Abbie Mills *is* one of two central characters; Katrina is secondary/supporting. Katia is fourth billed. Nicole is the female lead despite Goffman's obsession with Katrina - which also happens to be killing the show.
ReplyDeleteNot sure what you mean by "original fandom" or pushing you out, but I've been a fan of the show since Day One.
Without Nicole and Tom there would be no show. Most people tune in to see those two. I doubt very much if fans would stick around for Katrina and Tom. Furthermore the show is NOT an ensemble. There are two leads, Nicole and Tom. The rest are supporting.
ReplyDeletePersonally, I do not want her dead, just on my TV screen less often, spewing nonsense and not getting anything done. The writers/showrunner attempt to put her front and center is what has cause the decline of the show in the first place. So, they are listening but the results are more useless Katrina.
ReplyDeleteI know, right? What is this 'original fandom' nonsense? The good portion of the original fandom has LEFT because the show is catering too much to the demo that for whatever reason enjoys Katrina and the Crane family. Their storyline is dull and going in circles with no resolve or end in sight. Katrina is weak and useless at best and a huge hinderance at worse. They've literally dumbed down all the characters to make Katrina's actions seem 'plausible' and to force this horseman redemption plot despite the fact that no one even ASKED for them to be redeemed. No, hun. The writers/TPTB SHOULD be looking at the fandom to gauge what's working and what does not. That's the only thing that will keep them afloat.
ReplyDeleteIt's not just fandom, but critics across the board are showing their discontent with the direction of the show. The first season was perfectly fine without Katrina. Katrina wasn't that critical or compelling to begin with and we had decent ratings and a season renewal in the bag. The core is truly Abbie and Crane. Get rid of them and you've lost a good portion of fans. And Abbie is and always will be the LEAD of the show along with Crane. The story is of TWO witnesses trying to stop the apocalypse. Not two Witnesses and a wife.
But really, you people wanting Katrina to be good/stay on the team aren't concerned with the ratings/show or whether her actions even make logical sense for what a 'good character' would even do. You'd rather watch this ship sink than admit there's genuine problems not only with her character but the show in general. But hey? As long as the Cranes stay together because *~*~true love~*~* then that's all that matters, right? Remind me again who's the group obsessed with shipping because you guys seem to be the only one concerned with who Crane's boning?
I laugh sadly at this mentality that Katrina, a supporting character fourth billed in the credits (that also was supposed to die originally - twice), is somehow entitled to be at the forefront of the show. My gawd, the excuses they use: "It's an ensemble show," actually there are *two* leads and Katrina isn't one of them just because she's the white woman in a corset whispering her way through each episode.
ReplyDeleteNicole Beharie and Tom Mison are the two leads. This is how it was from the beginning. Since Goffman arrogantly decided to deconstruct everything and shove his vision down our throats, the audience has dwindled. Gone are the rave reviews. Goffman's baffling decision to sacrifice what made 'Sleepy Hollow' great at Katrina's alter has been a colossal, disastrous failure.
ReplyDeleteWell said...
ReplyDeleteI'm not shipping Crane and Abbie all that much either, but I certainly am not looking forward any more time spent with Katrina. I don't think most fans want that at all. And what's with the "original" thing? First of all, a fan is a fan, no matter what point of the show they started watching. Second, by your criteria, I am an original fan, and I don't remember the part where Katrina was ever popular; at best, most of us were neutral about her until she came out of Purgatory. Also, Nicole Beharie is in fact the female lead of the show. Not that has to mean Abbie and Ichabod have to date or that Katrina can't have more face time, but technically, this isn't an ensemble show; it's a show with two leads and a strong supporting cast. Except Katrina. I'm sorry, but personally, I'm so tired of Katrina. I don't hate her, and she still has potential if they change course with her character soon, but for a witch, she doesn't help out all that much, and she's kinda been a terrible wife to Crane. I don't actually want Katrina with Crane or on the team unless they make some serious changes to her character really, really soon.
ReplyDeleteActually, if anything, I want more time for Jenny and Irving. I feel like they got shoved to the side to deal with all this Crane family drama, especially Irving, and I hope that the second half of the season sees them come more front and center again.
So true...
ReplyDeleteHow is Nicole Beharie not a central character when the premise of the entire series is TWO witnesses attempting to avert the apocalypse?? I get it... you NEED to see you white people as THE story, but please do not insult our intelligence with the rewriting of how this show was originally presented in its first season. And if you're in the "original" fandom, then you'd at least know that Ichabod and Katrina aren't married, that Katrina had her own money and didn't need to be forced into a marriage with Abraham/Brams and ACTUALLY wanted to marry him. But you know... keep up with your idea that Nicole Beharie isn't the lead female in this show. Sucks for you, but she is and she's the reason you even know who Tom Mison is (since we know you all don't really care about Katrina, else you'd at least be marginally upset with how poorly she's been written since season 1). "Original fandom"? Rolls eyes forever.
ReplyDeleteOk I think writer have written her poorly and have making poor choices. I think she need to realize that headless shouldn't be saved he choses to become the horseman of death for revenge with the promise of getting Katrina in the end. I don't want her up front all time she can stay in the background, just I think she has gone through a lot in the pasted to try and make a life with Ichabod. I would love for them to improve her character. I love to see her go to Abbie and tell her that she is right and that headless doesn't deserve to be saved.
ReplyDeleteI think she means that on some sites if you like Katrina you are not welcome, but I have been on other site where I have been called names and other because I have tred to defend Katrina.
ReplyDeleteI know there is a lot of problems with her character but if the writer wrote her better that is what I want. Most of the critics I wouldn't trust what said after reading a report by a famous critic saying how social media has made it to easy to be a critic now a days that most don't have the training to be one. Yes the core is Abbie and Ichabod I wouldn't want to change that, but both can have other people in their life. I would be very fine with having them repair their marriage and have Katrina in the background maybe team her up with Jenny, I know some fans out there want her to be up front and see more of her I don't. I think she should be like Jenny helping from the background,
ReplyDeleteOk Ichabod and Katrina are married and she didn't want to marry Abraham., but at the time she went along with her father wishes because Abraham was giving her father money to marry her. We don't know if her father would of let her out of the marriage because Abraham died before he could talk to her father. The marriage between Katrina and Ichabod was arranged. I agree that Nicole is one of the central character Tom beening the second. But I'm upset how Katrina is written and wish the writer would do her justics
ReplyDeleteDid you watch the show? Katrina broke off her engagement to Abraham on her own, and in season 2, there's a hint that her entanglement with Abraham was more to do with her work as a "spy" than being "forced" to marry by an overbearing father.
ReplyDeleteIn season 1 it said that the marriage was arranged and that Abraham paid her father for her hand in marriage I will have to go through my season 1 to find . Yes she told him that she couldn't marry him Because she didn't love but another, yes Abraham let her break it off but he could of gone to her father if he wanted to because her father had the final say. In the 1700 women had no real rights. I don't see that she manipulated Ichabod. Yes I have hard time with that she cover up Mary death. She married him because she loved him. And she was not keeping mum about her interaction with headless. Ichabod knew she was talking to him. Ichabod wouldn't talk to so yes she talked to headless she know no else in this time. She didn't continuously lie, yes she didn't tell him about beening a spy and a withch that is three lies. She didn't know she was pregant when Ichabod died. She really didn't have time to tell him when he woke up.
ReplyDeleteWell,what a coincidence. ;) :)
ReplyDeleteJust signed up yesterday I have watch sleepy hollow since season 1 but just started to check sites about it.
ReplyDeleteYou are not apart of the original fandom. 85 percent of the original fandom bailed. The fandom is now being infiltrated by people who have a bias against Abbie Mills for no reason. In the beginning there was a collective that liked ALL of the characters. Now there are people who seem to nitpick everything about Abby mills and think that she should just remain a sidekick on her own show. They don't even care that Katrina's character has become a joke. nor do they care about the things that have happened to Katrina's character during the season. All that they do is sit around and kiss up to the writers. As far as the critics ago they are not drinking the Kool-Aid. They are not biting their tongues. This show has done a 360° turn shying away from the movie like quality and action-packed thrill of season one. Season two is nothing more than a group of clichéd monster of the week let's see how far we can go torturing Katrina. Never mind the fact that Abby Mills has been pushed aside so that we can deal with Henry who has stated numerous times that he wants nothing to do with his parents.
ReplyDeleteThe demographic that you were mentioning is obviously The collective of fans that are fed up with the direction of season two is going. (FYI very few fans left because of the shady hollow portion of the fandom). Mostly fandom left when word got out that the storyline was going to (A) have Abby Mills stuck in purgatory for most of the season and (B)
focus primarily on Katrina and Ichabod's relationship.
Most of the fandom could careless about the Cranes. Their storyline is not central to the theme of Sleepy Hollow. It is an idea that the showrunner had to build up Katrina's character. People did not like her before now they hate her because of this season.
Just so you know if the show gets renewed FOX will more than likely axe that storyline and bring back the spark of season one.
And one more thing ....That same so called demographic is the reason why Empire is the number one show on Fox.
You're either deeply delusional, deeply racist or very probably both. Yeah, I'll go with both.
ReplyDeleteYeah, Katrina stans can't possibly watch the show or at least don't care about it enough to let it get in the way of their stanning. Look at all the hoops they have to jump through, how they have to twist it, put all this narrative importance on father that doesn't get a single second of screen time. I would respect them more if they just admitted that Katrina, as a character, doesn't make any sense. But they think she is pretty so screw everything else. I mean I would still judge them because in my eyes she is just meh. Like love yourself. But I get shallow, I've done shallow. And there are way worse things you can be honestly. Delusional is not a good look. Even worse is wondering why all that delusion is necessary in the first place.
ReplyDeleteSound like it will be a good episode but, I have to agree with some of the others on here that Nicole/ Abbie is not part of the ensemble cast.. she is one of the leads which makes her more important than Katrina no matter how some people tries to play that down. I'm still trying to figure out what is meant by original fandom? Is people who watch the show from the beginning or the one ones who kinda go by the original story of Sleepy Hollow? Because I have watch the show from the start and kinda of went with the idea that the show was about two people brought together to stop the end of the of days so if I am wrong on that note let me know. I really don't care what they do about Icabod and Katrina I just want them to either move them on to the next step in their marriage either divorce or reconcilation, but for the love of all things get away from this and go to the next part of the show on what to do now that Moloch is not longer the big baddie.
ReplyDeleteOkkaaaay, You are absolutely entitled to your fanon, But don't pretend it is based on anything you are actually seeing on the show. Because the only person Katrina has successfully manipulated so far is her husband. She is a victim, she exists solely as a plot devise and to illicit her husband's manpain.
ReplyDeleteSee the problem isn't that you have erected this little fantasy in your head to justify your like of Katrina (although you really should preface it as fiction and your clinging to it as if it will ever be reality at this point is truly delusional. And I do question why you have to go to these lengths b/c this level of desperation is indicative of some 'stuff'. It is okay to admit that a character has been written badly and is past rehabilitation, truly it is). The problem is you and your ilk standing on your soap box passing off fanon as canon, and looking down you nose at the people who don't share in your delusion.
And I'm sorry but your desperate reaching in the defense of a fictional character makes you as ridiculous as those of us that criticize the writing of said fictional character. You are in the same boat and might wanna get of your high horse. That superiority complex you've put on display here. Yeah, not earned in the least.
But seriously, what is with all the fuss? Why you got to be hater? It's just opinion. A silly childish opinion on the internet no less. No need to lower your self to my level.
Oh, I and I went for 'pretty' as the default explanation because that is all the actual show will allow Katrina to be. That is the one consistent thing the show has told me about Katrina. That she is a 'pretty' blank doll they can force into corsets and skinny jeans. And I even then I don't buy it, but I guess I can see others doing so, so... *shrugs*
All of the assumptions of what she did or did not know or tell is mute for me when a person is caught blatantly lying or keeping secrets. IMHO, she is not to be trusted. Who could live with a person like that, love or not.
ReplyDeleteThey proceed to nonsense when desperate, to justify their heroine. But they have to realize people are not stupid enough to except it.
ReplyDeleteOh joy, Henry is back. Now, Katrina will have two people to redeem. This is all a dreadful nightmare that seems to never end.
ReplyDeleteSooner or later showrunners will see that there is a penalty to be paid in ratings for sidelining POC characters that helped establish the good ratings in the first place.
ReplyDeletePeople do it all the time they forgive their spouse for cheating and lieing and she never blatantly liied to his fave. Yes when asked about Mary she tried to tell this was not the time but when Ichabod demanded she tell him she told the truth. If know the history of the witch trails you know that by not telling Ichabod she was protecting him because if catch because he didn't know she was one he would safe. The trail and killing of witches did n't end with the Salam witch trial . I have a daughter who is a practicing Wicca part go becoming one was to learn the history of witches. Now been a spy how many out there tell their spouse there are one and again to protect them so if caught their spouses would be safe because they didn't know. The one lie I have issue with is covering up Mary death but again if you love someone enough they can work through it. But of course people who don't her will not even give remote chance that what we say could be right. She never killed Mary and I believe she has no more secret s.
ReplyDeleteWe are fans I watch every show not like some who refuse to watch it if Katrina is in it. Yes Katrina's father is not in the flashback, but if you no anything about the history of how women were looked at back in the 1700, then you would know an arrange marriage for a women to get out of is not that easy just saying she doesn't want to marry him Abraham could of gone to her father a demanded she still marry him, but he died and chose to be the horseman of death because he would get revenge on both Ichabod and Katrina. And she dose make sense again she is not from our time so she still acting like someone from the 1700. Do I see issue with her character yes. I don't think the writer have written her fairly,
ReplyDeleteIf you know anything about history you would know Benjamin Franklin spent more time in French brothels than with his own wife. *shrugs* I don't see your point.
ReplyDeleteThe thing is, in the show , Abraham didn't say "Well, I'm going to talk to Mr. Van Tassel about this". He reacts as if it were final, indicating to the audience that when Katrina cancelled the wedding he, at the very least, allowed her that power regardless of her father's input. Which also indicates that Abe would have allowed her the power to turn down the his proposal too, but she didn't speak up.
And I don't believe Katrina is responsible for Abe turning like at all, the whole rejected dude bro turned evil because girls are mean is just kinda gross and pathetic in my eyes. But there is no denying she would have avoided a whole mess of trouble (though maybe more importantly - done right by a man she called her friend) if she had just been honest with Abe about her feelings from the very beginning. But honesty has never been Katrina's strong suit so no surprise there.
But yeah, her father was beyond insignificant hence the reason he never made it onto the screen. But really imagine if he had though, imagine Katrina's father forcing her into a marriage she doesn't want, her pleading with him, her giving her reasons as to why she didn't want to marry, maybe her views were a bit progressive for her time, etc. Wow, that would have been some really compelling stuff I wonder why that didn't happen. Oh that's right - if Ichabod wasn't in it it wasn't important and they were just going to kill her off in the finale anyways so why invest.
What's a "professional fangirl"???
ReplyDeleteSpin it anyway you want a liar is a liar. If she was a honest person she would have told Ichabod about Mary knowing how close he was to her. Instead she threw the poor woman's body into the river. Again she I think she is no good and whatever she is into I bet you love has nothing to do with it.
ReplyDeleteLike Anncat says.. a liar is a liar and my grandma always said there are two people in this world that you can not trust 1. is Liar and 2: Thief. Now i am not saying that Katrina is a thief but if you look at this way she stole Mary's life or at least stole the opturnity for her to have a proper burial.. and she is a liar whether it was for the cause of holding back the end of days.. or just for her pleasure. So she is both of them and should not be trusted because how can you put your trust in someone when you don't know what their motivations are.
ReplyDeleteBeing unaware his wife was a witch would have done nothing to protect him and Katrina likely knew that.
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ReplyDeleteHow do you know they were going to kill her off in the finale I never read anywhere that they were going to kill her off.
ReplyDeleteOk I know it is only a show, but have you never told a lie because if you have then your saying the person you lied to should not forgive you. There is a saying let the first person without sin cast the first stone. So unless you have never told a lie in your life. You can't say Ichabod shouldn't forgive her. All but Mary are forgivable lies. But they can work through that it would take a lot on Ichabod but if he loves her enough it would be the choice between having in his life or not. But he still has feeling for her, it was her name he called out when they first woke, he still calls her my love.
ReplyDeleteI also agree with AnnCat. You are in denial. Listen to yourself. It was pure evil to drag someone's body into a river without giving thought to that person getting a proper burial. What must her family been thinking all of those years? And she did it for selfish reasons. Again, she could have told Ichabod Mary died accidentally or leave a note on someone's door stating where the woman's body was. No, she did not have the sense to do that. What she did was unforgivable. And if I was Ichabod I would not trust her. I do not see how he could stomach to look at her after what she did. And she also forged a letter supposedly written by Mary, pretending that she went home. Katrina is a piece of work.
ReplyDeleteJust you did not read does not mean it isn't true...
ReplyDeleteWe don't know that she dragged her body into the river we didn't see that part so as I was told we can only go by what we see. I also said that was one lie that I have a hard time with, but it will be up to Ichabod if he can forgive her. Not sure if I could but then he might be a better person.
ReplyDeleteI never said it wasn't true, but if you read then maybe you could point me to where on the net you saw it
ReplyDeleteShe was the last person to see the Mary. And she confirmed that she was dead. So why in the hell did she not report it to someone. Again what she did was unforgivable. You have to be a cold fish to treat another human being like that.
ReplyDeleteIt on the Season One DVD Commentary. You can hear the producers talking about how they had juggled with the idea of killing off a Katrina a couple of times already (in the original pilot she had been really truly dead already) and they had seriously been considering burning her as part of the finale's twist.
ReplyDeleteThanks I have season 1 will have to check it out.i haven't watched the commentary.
ReplyDeleteEvery site I've been on ,every single one has something nasty to say about Nicole. Every site has someone making an outrageous claim that it's Katrina's show and not Abbie's. I've been called name by Katrina stan's who can't face facts. Katrina is an awfully written character that few people like. Her story is full of plot holes, and she lies more than she does magic., The ratings don't like. People can make up things like "original fandom" all they want, but all the shows that have more diversity are number one, and show with black female leads like HTGAWM and Scandal are breaking records. Empire is Fox's number one show. This show ratings went down hill when the started focusing all their attention on the boring ass vanilla Cranes. The whole Katrina storyline should have ended season one and they should have burned Katrina at the stake like they planned.
ReplyDeleteSo you're justifying Katina making Mary's family worry about where she went until the day she died? You think it's OK? I"m no CSI expert but I'm pretty sure a dead person can't drown. So that means that Mary was alive Katrina pushed her body into the river, by the way who does that? Katrina a nurse and a witch didn't even try to save Mary, she just kind of sort looked her over, and said yep she's dead and went on with her life, and you think that's OK. Riiiiiiiight.
ReplyDeleteI think you should go check on Debra, maybe see if she's OK. I'm worried about what's going to happen to her when she hears the commentary about killing of Floptrina.
ReplyDeleteI never justified Katrina covering up Mary death I said that it is up to Ichabod to forgive her. All we know is that Mary came at Katrina she tripped and went over the cliff ? We saw Katrina go down to check on her, we did not see her drag her into the river. I like how when I try to say something that might of happened I get told that we can only go by what we see. But the ones who don't like her it alright for them to add stuff to what we didn't see.
ReplyDeleteSo please explain how an unconscious Mary ended up in the river? What did she do bump her head, give herself smelling salts and then went and dived in the river? Either Katrina put her there or the writers are very lazy, we shouldn't have to do this much guesswork and speculating as fans, either way she didn't allow Mary to have a proper burial and made her family and friends worry about her for the rest of her life, and she never said sorry. In fact she was more upset and Abraham for thinking he snitched than she was abut what she did to Mary, so how does that make Katrina a good person?
ReplyDeleteHelloooo....How many times do someone have to point out to you the fact that she did not go to seek help for Mary. No matter if she tripped or not she did not tell any one let alone Ichabod that the woman was dead at the bottom of the cliff. AGAIN, her deviousness was planned, THAT is why she forged the letter. Also, since you think that Katrina is not a compulsive liar check out the promo (Pittura Infamante) of her speaking with Abigail Adams. During the discussion it is revealed that she knew she was pregnant before Ichabod died. So, go and tell that.
ReplyDeleteYeah what kind of nurse would leave someone with a head injury on the cold ground a night without seeking out some kind of help, whether they thought the person was dead or not? What kind of person would do that? What kind of mother gives their son a creepy demon dolly to play with? Also she was fine with run away slaves staying on to work for her at Fredrick's Manor, yeah she's an awful, horrible, lying, character, but I guess if you can't stomach watching a romance with people who don't both look like you, or if you can't identity with anyone unless they do look like you then you'll take what ever scraps the throw your way.
ReplyDeleteI totally agree.
ReplyDeleteWe don't that as you have told we can only go by what see, she went and check and fond her dead. Beside the letter we don't know what she did with the body. As you have said before we can only go by what they show. Are is that only for the ones that like her. But the ones that don't can add what ever they want. Plus I have never said what she did was right. I think she should of went to Ichabod and told.
ReplyDeleteOk, we finally agree on something. She should have told Ichabod or someone. And since she didn't that is what makes her shady and untrustworthy.
ReplyDeleteIs that mention on the DVD that she was hired before the two leads? Because I didn't hear that on it at all and i have watched the DVD numerous time.
ReplyDeletelol, no debra you misheard something cause they were toying with the idea of burning her the whole season. And yes Katia was hired first there are articles that say as much. But she never chemistry tested with Tom because she was never intended to be on screen with him that much because in the original pilot that she and everyone else read for, she was dead and never coming back. They literally could have hired anyone.
ReplyDeleteYes on the first disc when they are talking about how they got hired for the show. Katia mentions that she was hired first to play Katrina, Nicole says she wasn't sure when she read the script. The writers wanted an American to play Ichabod but couldn't find one that suited the spot so they decided to change it to a British person.
ReplyDeleteI'm Thanks but again they the oringal writer decided not to burn her just after they thought it So at the end of season 1 she was always going to be .
ReplyDeleteThey said that Katrina was going to be burned alive and they were going back and forth for a while but decide not to and they went away from that before the final show. That being said when the original writer left the new ones had to write her in. So everyone say Goffman kept her because he likes her, when it was really the oringal writer that decided not to burn her. They also said that they thought that Jenny would take off but decided not to go that way as well. I listened to both commentary on the disc and my hearing is fine.
ReplyDeleteI have been checking out sites since November although I have watched since day one. I have not come across people saying mean thing to Abbie's fan but I'm not saying it not true. I have only gone on very few sites. I know there is some very strong fans on both sides. I do not think or want the show to be all about Katrina and I see fault in the writing of her character. But SOME of Abbie's fan feel all Katrina fan are same and sometimes I don't read the whole comment before attacking then and I guess we could say the same about some of Katrina fans. On here I mentioned a few times that I didn't agree with the cover up of Mary death, but it was up to Ichabod to forgive her and if he loved her enough he could, but of I get told in denial because I think he could forgive her and saying that. People in real life have forgiven their spouses for worse because they love them. What stop me from coming on a lot of sites is that you can't post something nice about her without some people attacking your comment. I was taught that everyone has a right to their opion but that doesn't give people the right to attack their opion and say it is wrong you have the right to say you disagree. But to attack the person I find is wrong. Maybe I was raised in a different time and because I have been a honest person all my life. Never said a mean thing about anyone or even swore in my life my daughter think it fully that I won't even say the B word they are adults and yes they swear but try real hard not to in my present , so I guess I find it hard to take that people could attack you for liking someone they hate. One thing pig this has taught me I won't be checking on how any of the other shows I like are doing. I truly wish I hadn't with this one.
ReplyDeleteI think you are grasping at straws, now. Again she was not hired as a lead such a supporting actress, so that says a lot what they thought of her. As you mentioned they was even going to kill her off. So, it is a mute point if she was hired first or not. She was and is just a plot device.
ReplyDeleteBut the thing is she was not meant go pass Season, until pedaled by Goffman for whatever reason. And it messed up the premise of the show.
ReplyDeleteAnd you read what you want to read I never said she was hired to play a lead character she was hired to play Katrina and just because they thought they kill her off they decided not too. But since you can't seem to not tear my posts apart I'm done so please don't post to this because I will not be an answering Again I'm not in denial I watch every show not like some people who skip it because Katrina is in it. But because I see some good in her. That is not ok you some people.
ReplyDeleteHey don't go away mad, because you cannot justify the existence of one of the worst characters on TV. And as far as tearing your posts apart, you have not said anything or proved anything worth tearing apart. To me you have only two mantras, "Katrina is good witch" and "Ichabod will forgive her". Hon, you are in denial.
ReplyDeleteFirst not going away mad just not going to post when every thing I say is not wanted or liked just not worth my time and energy posting I have more important thing in my life then this.
ReplyDeleteSoooo, Okay and goodbye.
ReplyDeleteShe wasn't even meant to go past the first episode of the show. She was originally written to DIE in the pilot. That's why she could be cast first and why she wasn't chemistry tested with Tom or ANYONE else. She wasn't supposed to be in any other episode but the pilot. And then she was supposed to be gone.
ReplyDeleteAnd you can see that them not chemistry testing her with Tom or the rest of the cast turned out - she's awful with everyone (you know they had to EARN their part on the show by passing their chem tests, but not KW).
Thank you for the clarification.
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ReplyDeleteAnd can I just say: Wow. Just... wow. Some fans of this show are just very.. passionate about things.
I love this show. I love Abbie and Ichabod and Jenny. And Katrina. I love Katrina and Ichabod together, and I should not have to apologize for that.
Now, just beacuse I want Ichabod with his wife does not mean I condone everything that she did, far from it. I just see that he still loves her and think that they should be given a chance to work through their problems. An then, if they where to decide that they can´t no longer be togheter? So be it.
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