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POLL : What did you think of Person of Interest - If-Then-Else?

Jan 7, 2015

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  1. JimmyJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:00 AM

    Wow. It is so hard to put into words how stunning, yet sad
    this episode was. What a way to start 2015.

    There have been many incredible episodes of Person of
    Interest, but this is in the top 3. The writing and directing were sublime. The
    acting was superb. The graphics were excellent. The slow-mo effects were
    incredible. And that awesome soundtrack played during the scenarios is called
    "Fortune Days" by The Glitch Mob was a perfect choice alongside Ramin
    Djawadi's incredible score.

    I loved how the scenarios played out. I've seen nothing like
    it in television or movies before. It was so well done. It brings home how even
    the most minute thing can cascade through into future events. That few seconds
    Fusco spent questioning The Machine's decision, and Root removing the drawing
    from the wall left enough time for Shaw to catch up to the group shortly after,
    but also meant Martine was able to reach the elevator shaft before Shaw was
    able to get back inside the elevator. Again, incredibly well done.

    But Shaw dying. I was shocked. When the episode was in its
    final minute I thought we were safe. For it to have happened in the final
    seconds is unprecedented. Characters never die right at the
    end of an episode like that without at least a few seconds of fallout.

    But then again, she might not be dead. There is always a
    chance that that final gunshot could have come from someone elses gun. The
    scenario may not have been played out fully. Those cascading time delays could
    have left enough time for a security guard to get a shot off. It's wishful
    thinking but Sarah Shahi is still listed as a regular cast member for next
    week's episode, though that’s a common tactic used to avoid giving anything
    away.

    But if your time is up Shaw, Sarah Shahi you have done an
    amazing job and I'm very sad to see you go. I've loved how you've played Shaw
    and made her so much fun to watch and root for. I'll definitely miss the perfectly
    timed one-liners and one-of-a-kind emotions and expressions. Thanks for the
    memories, and thanks for adding your two cents to television's number one series.
    All the best for the future.

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  2. AdamJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:01 AM

    This show is on another level. Simply amazing.

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  3. magnutudeJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:01 AM

    Wow………. Speechless…. I literally sat gaping at the screen for at least 30 seconds after the episode ended……

    Wow! Almost no words to describe how epic that episode was from the initial set up to the point of the branching multiple outcomes and how the machine was taught chess and the concept of evaluating all possible strategies and the outcomes of choosing one, to the simulations of going thru some of the simulations (which cleverly allowed for some really fun and light comedic moments in a dark scenario - the Degas painting, simulated Fusco getting frisky with Root, the team talking in Machinespeak….) and of course the last little twist at the end that raised the chance of asset survival a ton, but at a terrible and heroic cost…. RIP Sameen Shaw…. I guess it seemed inevitable that she would be the likely sacrifice after she was marked by the machine and had to hide out, but I was still hopeful when everyone made it to the escape, but that final, heartbreaking twist gave us some final Shawroot play and a John Woo-like slow motion shootout with the memorable closing of Shaw/Martine/Root’s faces…. Oh this show will break your heart, but it sure does deliver! I will desperately miss Shaw as she brought a fun dynamic to the team, but am anxiously curious to see how the show will proceed from here… this ep will be rewatched a few times this week for sure…..bravo PoI!

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  4. DebraFanJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:02 AM

    EPIC!!! MINDBLOWING!!! FANTABULOUS!!!!

    What have I just seen? Did I just see one of the most epic episodes of TV? Sure, but even that would be an understatement.

    I am almost rendered speechless. I am shocked. I am, I am......... .

    Wow! Just wow!!!! We were all expecting the Machine to run various scenarios but to see it execute them one after the other was simply outstanding. All accompanied by that epic soundtrack - The Glitch Mob - Fortune Days

    What amazing flashbacks to Harold playing chess and teaching the Machine to care for every one. What scenes!! Such an amazing tie in to the present dilemma faced by the Machine.

    Cheered wildly when the survival chance percentages started rapidly going up when Shaw came
    to the rescue.

    Meta humor. Fusco kissing Root in the simulation. The painting. Harold's reaction to the painting. Shaw shooting the bomb guy each time - even in such an intense episode, they found perfect place for such humor.

    The Shoot ship has set sail. And probably sunk. :(

    Reese jumping in front of Harold to take the bullet. That was simply heroic. Was he wearing his vest? If not, is he severely wounded? They didn't make it clear.

    So, that ending. Is Shaw alive? Is she dead? If alive, will she be a prisoner? A comment in the reddit thread had the most intriguing speculation - the commenter said that maybe Shaw is saved at the last minute by Grice and Brooks - the Relevant agents. Way, way out of the box speculation. Because Martine wasn't taking any prisoners. That's for sure.

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  5. justtobesaneJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:03 AM

    ROOT AND SHAW CANON = YES. Shaw better not be dead!

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  6. kayellJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:03 AM

    wow. I am speechless. Intelligent, intense, humurous, shocking, sad. Wow

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  7. DecafonlyJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:04 AM

    Noooo!!!!

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  8. Justin BaptistaJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:04 AM

    Fantastic episode. The death scenes, though they were simulated, were emotional. The Fusco-Root kiss was hilarious while the Root-Shaw kiss felt just right. The end was a heartbreaker. For a moment, I thought it may be it for Shaw until I saw the promo for next week's episode.

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  9. Aleana HarrisJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:04 AM

    OMG! Amazing episode but sad hope Shaw isn't dead one of the best episode the acting was superb the visual was amazing love how the scenarios played out

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  10. Justin BaptistaJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:05 AM

    The promo for next week's episode seem to claim that she isn't for the moment.

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  11. DebraFanJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:05 AM

    There's a promo out already? So jealous of the people who have seen it.

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  12. DecafonlyJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:06 AM

    I hope that Reese was wearing his vest.

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  13. polarbeersJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:06 AM

    Absolutely brilliant episode. I loved the simplify scene so much; it was hilarious. Aside from that, I felt like this was the first time we really saw the Machine as a fleshed out character, as something that has been imbued with a sense of humanity. Finch's monologue was a thing of beauty, and the theme of sacrifice was prevalent throughout.

    Also, shocking and heartbreaking ending. This show is on another level.

    For more in depth analysis: http://polarbearstv.com/2015/01/06/person-of-interest-if-then-else-review-4x11/

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  14. DecafonlyJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:07 AM

    What? Shaw might have lived? How? (I missed the promo for next week - I was too busy getting on to this website to lament).

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  15. Justin BaptistaJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:07 AM

    The promo will pop up on SpoilerTV soon.

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  16. johnJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:09 AM

    Given those last moments for Root and Shaw, there is very little chance that she survived. But only because this show does not really do relationship moments unless someone is going to die.

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  17. DebraFanJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:09 AM

    Can't wait to see it.

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  18. DecafonlyJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:10 AM

    After the second scenario I wanted them to just go ahead and show the real scenario already. I guess I'm not a fan of simulations - I like to see real-life situations and just get on it. The whole Root-Shaw thing was strange..... Would they really be a couple (especially if Shaw somehow survives)? Or are the writers just teasing the audience with the idea of two beautiful women getting together? (It's working! It's interesting for sure). I wanted someone to kill off Martine at the end of this episode - but I'm sure her demise will be near. I voted OK on this episode.....I like more variety and then saving more "non-relevant" people. But heck, I'll sure be on the edge of my seat ready for future episodes.

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  19. DecafonlyJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:12 AM

    OK I'll look for it.

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  20. DebraFanJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:21 AM

    Found the promo: http://youtu.be/7PkqccxLyo0

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  21. steve2013January 7, 2015 at 4:22 AM

    This show is just Amazing there's no other words to describe it. It's just a shame more people don't watch it and we're always on edge of if its going to get another season or not. I just hope & pray when the time comes for CBS to cancel it they don't do it out right & give it a final season

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  22. agentequadrosJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:29 AM

    Root and Shaw give me life.

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  23. DecafonlyJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:36 AM

    Thanks!

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  24. João PauloJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:42 AM

    This was a freaking brilliant experience. I love how they put the audience inside the machine brain to understand how logic and probabilities works.


    I pissed they kill another character, I love Shaw, she make one of my favorite episodes ever of this show (Relevance) and now she sacrifice for the team, one more lost, one more punch in the face by writers.


    I don't know what to expect now, but I think it's time the team machine fighting back for real.

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  25. Mihail KJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:45 AM

    We haven't seen Shaw's death actually. And we also haven't seen 0% chances of her survival at the Machine's digital interface - very close to 0, but still not 0. If the "relevant party" (Control's team) intervened, Shaw could be saved... which is most probably the case, I assume.

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  26. SavhFanJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:51 AM

    I didn't think it was possible to hold my breath for 60 minutes. I only exhaled to scream at my TV "OMG OMG OMG OMG"............completely blown away by every aspect of this episode......

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  27. fringeobsessedJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:52 AM

    A lovely nod to Fringe's 'White Tulip', Groundhog Day, and the old movie 'War Games.'

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  28. Sander Glen HoffmanJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:55 AM

    Sander, I was on the edge of my seat. I didn't know witch way the show was going to go.

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  29. DecafonlyJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:57 AM

    I kept shouting "No" at the scream during the last minute.

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  30. start_wearing_purpleJanuary 7, 2015 at 5:12 AM

    This easily makes it in my top 5 episodes list. It was just brilliant.

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  31. MatthewJanuary 7, 2015 at 5:15 AM

    Reese nearly always wears his vest now.

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  32. MatthewJanuary 7, 2015 at 5:16 AM

    I think Control and the US Government are screwed. They dont really have much control over the Machine anymore with the rise of Samaritan and the people who do effectively run.. or well more likely are run by Samaritan dont have any ties to any one country or state. Control and Co have been caught off guard.

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  33. Justin ValdesJanuary 7, 2015 at 5:32 AM

    Holy shit, we are only 2 weeks in 2015 and I think this episode may be in my favorite episodes of 2015. My mind is STILL racing from what I just watched.


    Even though throughout the episode the Machine was going through multiple simulations to try and pick out the best one for the team, all of the deaths in the scenarios were all still just gut wrenching/tough to watch. I NEVER want to see Harold, Root, or Reese ever get shot again please and thank you. This was enough haha. Anyway, this was such a unique concept from the show and they did such an awesome job executing it.


    When Shaw finally came to try and get the team out and we saw the survival percentage rate rapidly go up made me breathe a huge sigh of relief. I really thought that was the end for the team there! And of course that Root/Shaw kiss was everything I wanted and more. I would love to see that a million times on repeat haha. It finally happened!!


    Those flashbacks were so important. We saw Harold teaching the Machine that if people see the world as a chess game, they deserve to die. All human life is equal. Such a significant message.


    I don't care if it was a failed simulation, watching Root start smiling so much when Shaw agreed that if they were the last two people on the earth, they could be together made me just start bawling. It made Root just be filled with joy until her last few minutes of survival and it was so great to watch. Amazing acting from Amy Acker and Sarah Shahi.


    Now for Shaw's death(?). When Root sees that Shaw falls to the ground after being shot by Martine and she just breaks down had me screaming at the TV so loudly. She couldn't do anything about it except see her one true love being gunned down by the Samaritan operatives. I could not believe what I was watching. I stood frozen for a good 30 seconds after the episode ended in pure shock. Shoot forever :(


    Really hope that Shaw isn't really dead since we didn't see a body. I desperately need the team to try and find her in any way that they can! Even get some help from Control.

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  34. Justin ValdesJanuary 7, 2015 at 5:35 AM

    Oh my god, you're my hero. I've been trying to find that epic song from the episode for a while because it was so awesome and I had to listen to it again in full. Thank you so much :)

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  35. TheFuscoJanuary 7, 2015 at 5:45 AM

    Where is the "Mind Blown" option on the poll???

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  36. DebraFanJanuary 7, 2015 at 5:46 AM

    You kissed Root. You would definitely go with Mind Blown. ;) :)

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  37. ivanJanuary 7, 2015 at 6:12 AM

    IS ROOT GOOD NOW?! please i need an answer

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  38. whateverJanuary 7, 2015 at 6:23 AM

    this show is too good to be true. I have no words. Phenomenal stuff.

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  39. BluebombJanuary 7, 2015 at 6:33 AM

    The replaying of scenario scenes reminds me of Tru Calling when Eliza Dushku had to
    replay the same day in order to save people.

    I'm hopeful that Shaw is still alive. It is bad enough that Team Machine only has 5 people and a dog. If that is reduced to 4 people and a dog, Team Samaritan will be even more difficult to overcome.

    Loved everything about tonight's episode. From all the different scenarios to the flashback of Finch teaching the Machine how to play chess but then teaching it a lesson at the same time to The Machine having a sense of humor and then to see Shaw brush off Root in the police car only to have that ending spiked on us made this episode entirely enjoyable.

    I'm not a fan of the Shoot romance but Denise The played it just right with this episode. In my top 5 episodes for sure.

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  40. Jim 108January 7, 2015 at 6:45 AM

    I think I missed the Fringe reference. What was it?

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  41. DebraFanJanuary 7, 2015 at 7:26 AM

    Wow!! This is a very, very revealing interview.

    http://insidetv.ew.com/2015/01/07/person-of-interest-shaw-dead-root-kiss/?hootPostID=cddae2d452a240669edde11e15587578

    The creators confirm that Sarah Shahi is pregnant. Apart from that, some very good spoilers in there too.

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  42. Anna PaolinelliJanuary 7, 2015 at 7:28 AM

    Seeing this after NCIS...


    Damn.

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  43. CCEkekeJanuary 7, 2015 at 7:36 AM

    Awesome episode. Nice little 'What If/Alternate Reality' scenarios they through at us. Have to say though, I had high hopes for the Martine character, hoping she'd get fleshed out or shown as complex like Control or even Root in her motivations for helping Samaritan. Instead, they've made her so Bond Villain evil, now I just want her to die. Like A LOT.

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  44. SetherielJanuary 7, 2015 at 7:54 AM

    It took me hours and I still don't know what to say... This show is so above all but a select few I sometimes wonder why anyone else even bothers. And back to speechless...

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  45. SetherielJanuary 7, 2015 at 7:56 AM

    Root has been good for quite a while now, just in a non traditional sense of the word.

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  46. SetherielJanuary 7, 2015 at 7:58 AM

    Lucky bastard! Wish I'd picked TheFusco for a username :(

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  47. DaysnetJanuary 7, 2015 at 8:01 AM

    Am in awe of a fantastic episode. I spent the entire episode guessing who would die and never wanted it to be Shaw - she's part of the team now! I just hope she really is alive. I want her to be alive and I want Samartin and his "hand puppet" to be swallowed up into a sink hole.

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  48. DebraFanJanuary 7, 2015 at 8:09 AM

    Ok, now this interview has an air of finality to it. Sarah Shahi is expecting twins.

    insidetv.ew.com/2015/01/07/person-of-interest-shaw-dead-sarah-shahi-pregnant/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    Some excerpts:

    given what’s going on in my life right now, it would definitely be a challenge to go back with two infants and try to be present as the character and to meet the demands of the show. But who knows? It’s definitely a goodbye for now, but not goodbye forever.

    When asked about a timeline for a possible return in the future:

    Most people know what it’s like to handle one baby. There’s not a lot ofsleep that involves just one baby. Then you add another baby to that equation and it’s just like doomsday. It’s going to be me for the next, like, two years.

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  49. BluebombJanuary 7, 2015 at 9:19 AM

    How many more people is Denise The going to kill or try to kill off? I don't know if I should look forward to any more of her episodes any more if she keeps on offing Team Machine. Spare everyone else please!

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  50. DebraFanJanuary 7, 2015 at 9:39 AM

    Ahem!! You do know the circumstances surrounding Sarah Shahi's (goodbye for now and not goodbye for ever) exit. In fact she was the one who pushed the show creators for something like this. How is Denise The to blame for this?

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  51. BluebombJanuary 7, 2015 at 10:13 AM

    I kind of meant it as a joke. I know she will deliver good episodes but she will be forever known to be me as 'killer queen'.

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  52. DebraFanJanuary 7, 2015 at 11:00 AM

    QueenKiller - rivaling Patrick Rothfuss' KingKiller. ;) :)

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  53. GaelleJanuary 7, 2015 at 11:34 AM

    Talk about an episode that toys with your emotions. Freaking amazing, but that ending... ow, damn it.

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  54. SRJJanuary 7, 2015 at 12:29 PM

    Fusco's her favorite. She'd kill off just about everybody, but him.

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  55. Lord NikonJanuary 7, 2015 at 1:19 PM

    Awesome episode and probably one of my favorite lines of all the series this season and probably of all time. "Anyone who thinks that the world is a game of chess deserves to lose."

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  56. mrotherJanuary 7, 2015 at 2:06 PM

    HEY YOU SATURN AWARDS GUYS, DENISE THE IS WAITING!

    Of course I could complain about several episode's weaknesses, but...

    What's the point of saving the world if you can't enjoy it? :)

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  57. mrotherJanuary 7, 2015 at 2:08 PM

    well, everything? does reseting timelines ring a bell? :)

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  58. FringenosJanuary 7, 2015 at 2:54 PM

    So much great action, interesting flashbacks, more insight into the machine, unique and memorable lines and moments *Sigh final scene sigh*.
    10/10.

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  59. FringenosJanuary 7, 2015 at 3:21 PM

    Thanks for pointing that out. :) Huh, two years? She may be open for a very guest starring earlier (if she wants it) but I'm not sure if the writers would want this to stay open for so long. After all, who knows if the show makes it past Season 5?


    I'm so happy for Sarah! I'm interested though how exactly the writers will handle Shaw. Last night I was very convinced she is dead but after that promo... hm.

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  60. JonJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:05 PM

    I'm the biggest Shaw fan but I voted Awesome, because that's what this show is. I'm super sad to see Sarah go, but her choice is obviously understandable and I wish her all the best.


    I'm going to miss Shaw, at least as much as Root.

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  61. AlwaysBonesJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:47 PM

    Well, and the preview for next week seemed to imply that she's not dead. Hope not--I really love Shaw... Jimmy, you expressed my feelings about this episode perfectly....

    And each scenario had it's heartbreaking moments. It had me on the edge of my seat for the whole episode! Just when I think this show can't get to another notch of excellence and gripping drama, they do it again!

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  62. AlwaysBonesJanuary 7, 2015 at 4:51 PM

    It played at the end of the episode. That was my only reason to hope...

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  63. DarthLocke4January 7, 2015 at 5:00 PM

    I LOVE Bad Robot! Definitely one of my favorite episodes ever! I just love alternate reality concepts (The Roads Not Taken), but what was really phenomenal about this particular variation on it, was how intense and emotional each experience was (and it showed us an element of "fate" as each experience had "parallels" or things in common that happened "again"), despite eventually knowing what the episode was doing!!! I kept getting teary-eyed, even when knowing this or that was not the final outcome viewers will take as "our" truth. The Chess analogy was also a really nice touch.


    Seems like no one is dead yet, but I still think there could be a turn over with Root and Shaw in the next episode, let alone Control's demise...


    One of my favorite scenarios was the first one with the Reese and Martine showdown! Love the dialogue exchange. Of course Fusco kissing Shaw and Root kissing Shaw was also fun and touching to see! I think she is now officially a bi character, which is really nice to see!


    Can't wait for next week's! The promo looks again INTENSE!

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  64. Ralph HartmanJanuary 7, 2015 at 8:26 PM

    This show might have just lost me as a viewer. How could they kill off the best character on the show and the reason why it's been so good the last 2 years?

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  65. jeanremJanuary 7, 2015 at 10:22 PM

    Awesome is not enough !!

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  66. Robert FruinJanuary 8, 2015 at 12:32 AM

    The episode just proves how Person of Interest is one of the best shows on television.

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  67. ElharJanuary 8, 2015 at 8:17 AM

    Even though I agree that this episode was the best in this season yet (yet, because why would I be pessimistic that they can't top this? :) ), and is among the best ones of the whole series, I must admit I feel that Shaw's character was much less unfolded (or evolved) as she could have been.


    To me it seems as if from the second half of S3 the writers somehow forget to build her up any further and it was even more obvious in this season. I wasn't in the writers' room so I would never know whether this later one was because of they knew Sarah would leaving, (and so they wove the story in a way that we feel her part and sacrifice as a closed chapter) or they just couldn't find new ideas, but that's how I felt. Or more precisely, as if they found her original limitations (the A2PD) too strict and dumped the problem, turning her simply into an antisocial, morose grunt for the most part of this season.


    Her flirtation with Root was mostly for the comic relief, I have never felt the emotional fight what they so perfectly showed in Razgovor. I don't deny that it would have been a very demanding task to deal with her disordered behaviour in the story in a compelling way, but forgetting it and pretending as if in a few months time she had simply "overcome" it made the character less complex and less interesting to me.


    I also hoped for some more part of her backstory. In Razgovor it seemed to me that there were some more mysteries in it. (Why did they moved around the world so fast that she hadn't had time to have a favourite TV show? I also felt that there are more behind her mother's origin.)


    Anyhow, this was a great episode and eventually

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  68. DawnAlisonJanuary 8, 2015 at 8:41 AM

    I don't think Shaw is dead. I watched the thing where the cast and directors talk about the episode and the way Finch says everything definitely makes it seem almost unlikely she is dead. Plus, she adds such joy to the episodes, ever since Sarah Shahi took the roll I immediately knew she was going to be the perfect choice. And they didn't prove me wrong. Taking her away would be risky, especially since they already killed off Carter and I think if they did it again it would be too repeated, and as you know, the writers aren't one for repeats, as each episode is definitely unique, apart from the 'the good guy is the bad guy' thing. I think what they're going to do is probably drag out Samaritan a little bit, maybe they will 'keep' her (As Sarah Shahi is pregnant, that could take months. But I'm sure we'll see a few scenes with her, hopefully!) and God, as much as I hate to say it, probably try to get answers out of her, and even if she is just going to be leverage, they could do whatever they want with her. And Blondie doesn't look like the type to pass up an opportunity like that. Which makes me hate her even more.
    As for the episode, Jimmy said everything I was thinking. As for the last few moments, I knew from the last simulation that Shaw was going to be the one to end up getting captured. But nothing could prepare me for the moment when Shaw ran out of that elevator, not even thinking about herself, just hell bent on protecting her family. I'm still shaken up about it. And when you still can barely manage to think about any other TV show let alone watch one except for Person of Interest after that horrible, horrible moment of absolute inside death, you know that you're obsessed, but at the same time, you know it's so beautiful how people can create characters that you could cry for if something ever happened to them.
    Person of Interest continues to make me love it ever since the first episode, three years ago. With Shaw joining, it made me even happier and a tiny more excited for the next episode. Yet, now that we've all gotten to know her, I don't think either one of us has had a more anticipated episode than the next one on January 16th.

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  69. rehabberJanuary 8, 2015 at 12:40 PM

    Wow, what a great ep. That first death had me screaming at the TV until the machine replayed it. Don't think Shaw is dead( hope not), excellent writing, acting and music.

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  70. DebraFanJanuary 8, 2015 at 3:45 PM

    I just remembered - I read somewhere that the POI writers room jokingly calls Denise The' as The Darkness. ;) :)

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  71. FO666January 8, 2015 at 5:45 PM

    It's possible that Shaw's not dead. But she's not coming back any time soon, Sarah Shahi is pregnant with twins so it was necessary to write her out. So even if she's not dead, she's gonna be hidden away for at least a year, maybe more.

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  72. DarthLocke4January 8, 2015 at 6:19 PM

    It's really almost all of Bad Robot that plays with alternate reality (and/or doppelgangers/polymorphic beings in terms of looking at multiple identity): The end of Felicity (either cause an effect with space time or 3 different realities), the possibility/debate that Rambaldi's future may not have been exactly Sydney's present/future on Alias, Desmond traveling through all kinds of space time as it's possible that in "The Constant" he could of traveled to another 1996, as opposed to "their" 1996, and that there may be a time fold/casualty loop in with multiple 2007's involved (John Locke is alive, dead, and impersonated all at the same time), the smoke monster may "project" multiple universe consciousness(es) (taller ghost Walt = a previous image of an older Walt from another timeline) and that even the ethereal flash sideways may "hint" or glimpse that in the next corporeal 2004 that 815-ers did not crash, and Fringe has multiple timelines (white tulip, the road not taken, 2026, Peter and the Machine) with multiple parallel universes (whatever exactly season 4 and 2036 is, in comparison) caught in casualty loops up until "our" Peter's choice at the end of season 3, an Observer time line (as in a timeline in which the universe(s) survives long enough to come to exist), various dreamscapes and conscience/ethereal planes, and their Star Trek is an alternate parallel reality, in Revolution the nanites were starting to "manipulate" matter and allowed Aaron to view a Matrix-like dreamscape in his own head-space...

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  73. DarthLocke4January 8, 2015 at 6:41 PM

    I'm not sure what he's saying, because by having a second machine like Samaritan, we get into a debate that one machine may know more than another machine and that possibly neither machine knows "everything", otherwise we wouldn't of had to "teach it" chess, let alone wasn't the idea with this chess anology you eventually narrow down your infinite possibilities simply because you will illuminate players and ultimately options or "outcomes", which would then make it easier to see all of the outcomes, because there are less of them?




    Part of me expects that "hubris" motivation will be "the flaw" or demise of Samaritan, eventually. and that even with Machines, especially since in "our" machine's case, it seems to have Harold's morality and/or "affection" for our team. That it may be motivations behind any given action(s) will be the bottom line (ultimate message) with this series. Intelligence may only be as good as how it's applied and./or for what purpose it's applied to!

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  74. DebraFanJanuary 8, 2015 at 7:46 PM

    that it may be motivations behind any given action(s) will be the bottom
    line (ultimate message) with this series. Intelligence may only be as
    good as how it's applied and./or for what purpose it's applied to!

    Completely agree. :)

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  75. DarthLocke4January 8, 2015 at 8:59 PM

    Ah, but the fun thing is that we can always gain new characters too! I didn't think I would love Amy Ackers role as much as I do, but they found a way to give her a realistic interesting anti-heroine place for her character (and Shaw for that matter) by upping the stakes and game changing the series with Samaritan. I will of course miss her or Shaw, if that is what they do, but in Root's case I feel they made the most of her character and I'm grateful for where they took her!


    It's always hard to loose good characters, but sometimes their deaths can be great ways to push other characters stories forward and introduce new ones that we might also grow to love!


    And although I doubt they would ever do this, imagine if we would go many episodes and then suddenly we would see the clock go back, like with how they did last episode, to a point when any given dead character is still alive!

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  76. DarthLocke4January 8, 2015 at 9:00 PM

    "What's the point of saving the world if you can't enjoy it? :)"


    Exactly ;)

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  77. LittleDreamerJanuary 8, 2015 at 10:15 PM

    This fucking show. That is all.

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  78. CanadagraphsJanuary 9, 2015 at 11:26 AM

    For the 1st 2 years she was around I loathed & detested the Shaw character.
    In the last 4-8 episodes I've started to finally come around to her. Don't like her, but don't hate her anymore.
    If they kill her off now, it would suck that I sat thru 2 years of insufferable annoying Shaw and now that shes turning a corner they kill her off. That said, I suspect she will somehow survive that impossible situation.
    Seeing Roots reaction to it all happening was 1 of the more impactful scenes this show has put together, which is saying A LOT for a show that dragged its characters through the wringer for Carters death & Elias thru the same wringer for Anthony's (Scarface) death.
    I cant even fathom what Root will be capable of if she thinks Shaw is gone. Could be dangerous, for everyone.

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  79. Jim 108January 10, 2015 at 1:43 PM

    Yeah, I figured that one out a few minutes later but couldn't edit my post! :p Brainfart.

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  80. Monkey BusinessJanuary 10, 2015 at 7:55 PM

    one of my favorite episodes. i'm glad Shaw is killed off, hopefully she's dead for good

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  81. DarqueModeJanuary 14, 2015 at 6:22 AM

    Hope the show landed safely after jumping the shark... Yikes!
    Worst episode of the season.....

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  82. Gustav Bluesboy LacokJanuary 19, 2015 at 4:03 PM

    Different scenarios played out are nothing new to TV and main characters are dying like flies since Game of Throne's beheading of Ned Stark right at the end of the episode, but seems like while in GoT the death was done properly and there were real reasons for it, every other show does it just for the shock value to appear that they have balls too. Even Person of Interest killed one of its main characters a few episodes into the 3rd season so it's nothing on this show either.

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