After 3x12 the show will return to normal, so that's great. Even if it was a good episode, Oliver is missed on the Arrowcave. Also, maybe when Oliver returns we will stop with the whole Raylicity thing, that is getting on my nerves. It felt really out of place on 3x11, but Ray less creepy.
I think if Atom spin off works out they will drop the RayXFelicity thing otherwise they might go full blown with it. Any way I can guarantee you more romantic oriented scenes are coming for these two. How much ever we may not like it.
Cool Promo. It really feels like the start of a new chapter. I think I got the gist of it but if someone could transcribe the Diggle dialogue of the promo I would be grateful.
Didn't you see AK latest interview? Apparently Ray is "in love" with her and she has "strong feelings" for both men.
"And while Oliver’s final thought was of Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards) before he fell, his Girl Friday will continue to grow closer to Ray Palmer (Brandon Routh) while he’s gone. “For Felicity it really becomes a difficult choice between these two men who are both in love with her, who in a way she has strong feelings for,” teased executive producer Andrew Kreisberg. “A lot of the back half of the year is her trying to figure out who [she should be with]."
Understandably of course since "he's Barry in Oliver's body". (rolls eyes for eternity)"
AK kinda hates the idea of Oliver&Felicity together though, at least from what I've seen from his interviews. At the end of last season, he was constantly telling about how Laurel was still the love of his life and her learning about his identity would change everything that went wrong about them and all and that we'd see them getting closer. So yeah, while I hate the idea of Ray & Felicity (because he is just creepy no matter how much I like Brandon Routh), I think AK is overselling it to create attention.
Thanks. I thought it was something like that. Ha! Oliver is going to be so surprised by everyone's resolve once he returns. This is going to be awesome.
I don't trust AK anymore on Arrow interviews. He is working on The Flash mostly. Also I think he is over selling the Ray/Felicity romance. Marc kind of said right now there is not much romance coming up. I would take his word.
I can imagine that, too, as them bonding and now I get feels from a scene I haven't even seen yet. Oliver started this whole thing on his own for vengeance, then became a hero and has the whole city and his partners behind him!
I think that is in reference to the whole city and new heroes standing up to Brick. Even if some time in the future Oliver is really gone someone else will always be there to take his mantle. His solo quest has become huge and Digg is asking can Oliver live with that.
Yeah but if just insulting at this point. I get that they are trying to sell that awful love triangle and that he likes to throw the word love willy nilly around (just last week Barry and Felicity were in love too) but I'm supposed to believe that he is in love with her after knowing her for three month? And that she has strong feelings for that creep? And when exactly did this happen? Did I miss 10 episodes or something? Or am I watching a different version of the episodes. And if so, can see their episodes? They sound fun and more organic and logical than that awful story I've been seeing.
I love it since it's been like, what, two weeks since Oliver "died"? They haven't even managed to beat the one villain they've gone up against (sure, it's a big one), and yeah, they got a dude killed, but CAN Oliver handle it?
Believe me nothing would make me happier than to believe that nothing romantic is going to happen soon and I know what you mean about AK, I feel like Marc is doing most of the work. BUT that last episode isn't giving me much hope. What was with that scene at the office? So in a matter of days his mission changed from honouring his dead fiance to saving Felicity? And Felicity, who just lost the man that she loves, was giving him the googly eyes, and his words convinced her to come back to the team and fight to save people and not Diggle or even Roy?
I'm gonna take a wild guess that he's going to have a hard time handling that at first, haha. But I imagine once he comes around it'll be a huge relief.
I agree! I was all in for Felicity getting a new love interest, but then Ray turned out to be a creep who doesn't know about boundaries or anything and suddenly she was OK with him completely getting rid of QC whereas she was trying to help Oliver get it back and then at dinner she was making this speech that didn't feel genuine and Felicity-like at all and then they were kissing. I mean, yes, Oliver screwed up big time by deciding for the two of them to break up and then had the audacity to say that 'they' made a decision, BUT RAY FREAKING TRACKED HER PHONE AND BOUGHT THE STORE SHE WAS WORKING AT SO THAT SHE'D WORK FOR HER AND BOUGHT A DRESS HER SIZE. I could go on. Ray is a foil for Oliver, I like that idea, but in practice, it's pretty terrible tbh.
I want them to give Felicity storylines outside of romantic inclinations and then by the season's end, get her finally together with Oliver.
that's what worries me, too! that whole line about her saying 'i don't want to be a woman you love', i'm freaking out that she'll say that to oliver and then she'll go out with ray.
One of the things I love most about The Flash is that I don't really care about the romance in it. Sure I love Barry and Iris a lot but there are a lot going on I'm more interested in than Barry's love life and I would be fine if there are no romance this season at all.
You what's bothering me about that line. People are speculating that she will decide that being with him will cause her a lot of pain because she lost him once and she can lose him again in any second and she doesn't want to feel like that again so she walks away and begins to date Ray. Just one question, isn't Ray on his way to become a hero too, which means he can die at any second as well?
I agree. But I think there will be a lot of romantic subtext coming up. Also MG said there is some sexy times coming up on the show in which Oliver is not a participant. It must be either Digg/Lyla, Thea/DJ Douchebag or Felicity/Ray. There is one in third chances of Felicity scratching some itch.
Please don't get me started on those awful Ray/Felicity scenes in episode 7 or all the creepy stalkery pushy stuff he did because we will be here all night. I agree Oliver messed up big time and it's his fault really we are in this situation but when he said that she made a decision I think that he was referring to her words in episode 2 when she said that she is not going to wait with him and that she accepted Ray's job offer.
Ray as an idea sounded good but when they actually wrote him, everything fell apart and the character was horribly written and executed. No disrespect to BR but he gets this crazy look in his eyes that complements the stalkery persona very nicely.
Exactly! Why not give her an actual story besides being a sidekick for every superhero and a love interest?
This is the same guy who in the past week said in an interview Arrow, ATOM and Flash is in love with Felicity. In what universe? Right now only Oliver is in love with Felicity. Barry and Felicity never had more than passing attraction to each other.
He is going to be so baffled. Roy has become confident. Felicity has become strong in her convictions. She is supporting Laurel. Laurel is BC and no one on the team has an issue with it. LOL He is screwed.
Barry and Felicity looked good on paper, but with them being in love with other people (and, well, other shows), it wasn't going to work out. I don't understand what AK says half the time. And Ray is a foil for Oliver, but he just developed feelings too suddenly, there wasn't any natural progression. I mean, he did lose his fiance only like 7 months ago (didn't she die during Slade's attack)?
I was so happy when I saw the people of Glades fighting with Team Arrow. At last.. So much shit has happened there. Its like Glades suddenly got a personality. Arrow is a symbol now for everyone to rally behind.
I agree she needs a female friend. I loved her friendship with Sara. But I'm not feeling it with Laurel because most of their previous interactions were bad. Laurel was bossy and dismissive of her.
I loved that in episode 8 when Lyla was in danger Dig was more focused and determined and when she got hurt he realized that he doesn't want to spend another minute with out her. TAKE NOTES, OLIVER! THAT'S HOW IT'S DONE!!
Oh, Laurel was terrible to her but I think there is room to grow... I mean, look at Laurel and Diggle hugging it out. I doubt that they'd bring in any other females (not without agendas) just to give Felicity some life outside of Arrow, so I'll take Laurel.
I agree on all points! Even without a romantic undertone, they are partners, they'd suffer in any case if they lost one - just look at what Roy and Diggle are going through. They should just go for it, knowing in their line of work every second is precious. Then they can bring in all the drama, which I'll accept with open arms. Just don't go with the way of a ridiculous love triangle and make it legitimate by making Felicity lose her characteristics.
It doesn't make any sense whatsoever! Look I'm ok with them not getting together very soon, it's TV law. But you don't have to go the love triangle route. They are more than capable of destroying their relationship on their own, thank you very much. Just give me a reasonable excuse other than her not wanting to feel the pain of his loss! If he died when she isn't dating him she won't be sad? Isn't that what's happening right now? They weren't dating and she felt the pain. They weren't together in the crossover and still Boomerang broke into the foundry (where she is supposed to be safe) and she could've died instead she was the one to get rid of him.
Those were cringeworthy, so happy someone else agrees! Everyone thought they were 'cute'... nope. If they developed Ray more as a character, then brought in the ATOM stuff, I think it'd have made more sense, but that didn't happen unfortunately. Felicity needs some felicity in her life and that shouldn't necessarily come from love interests. She needs some lady friends, I really liked her scenes with Laurel from last night's episode, I need more of those and less love triangle.
Unlike most people I don't have much issues with Ray. Yep he is self involved jackass sometimes but I like him. He is not my favorite but I don't mind him. I even don't mind him developing feelings for Felicity this fast. It's Felicity.. Can you blame him? I am ready to leave my husband if Felicity gives me time of her day joking.. I even get conflicting feelings from Felicity. My main problem with this pair is episode 3x07 and the jump they did in that episode. It killed all feelings I had for them. Still I wouldn't mind if they go a romantic way with these two. We know it is not going to last any way.
That scene at the office imo went a little romantic way which ruined it. They could have toned down the googly eyes. But the crux of it is that when faced with real danger Ray did not think about Anna while fighting the thug. His only thought was to save Felicity because she was in danger. That made Felicity realize Arrow job is not about Oliver but about every person in the city who is in danger. Now if they had not shown them staring at each other after that line it would have been way better. Then again after 3x07 we know that Felicity is fond of Ray Palmer. Does she love him like Oliver. Definitely no. But she likes Ray a lot. His opinions matter to her.
That episode was too pushing it, it felt out of place and out of character for Felicity.
I think they had done the same thing with Sara and Oliver last season. I was completely fine with them getting together and actually it made a lot of sense if it was just a physical thing, then suddenly they were in this full-blown romantic relationship in like one episode and Oliver was freaking out that Slade would go after her (even though she could have handed Slade's ass to him, thank you very much) and it killed any support I had for them. And yeah, I'd totally for Felicity, too.
Maybe because Glades is where the docks are? And all kinds of trafficking happens there drugs, human, money laundering.. crime families may be working out of Glades.
That's exactly my point! She needs to be either with Oliver or just walk away from both because they are on a similar path. And also it doesn't make any sense because she is in the same line of work, too! I mean, she did get hit by a bullet and confronted Slade! She could have killed herself because she is also trying to be a hero herself. So I don't understand why she'd be saying that to Oliver because a) Oliver had no other choice but to go, and she was more than willing to accept it and she herself told Oliver to kill Ra's, b) even if she grew closer to Ray, her feelings for Oliver wouldn't just disappear and would actually heighten when she thought he was dead. WHY CAN'T THEY JUST GET TOGETHER AND MAKEOUT HARDCORE? I want to lock the two of them in the lair and not let them out until they settle down things.
I still don't understand why people want to take over Glades, but I love that the people living there really see Arrow as, you say, a symbol to rally behind.
It's Arrow. They will always ruin any romantic story line. Dyla is working because it is of screen mostly. Olicity is working because they didn't even know they were writing it. LOL. Once they knew it they rushed it in episode 1 this season. So I would say just take it lightly and expect them to screw this story line more and always read behind the lines. They did not expect people would consider Ray a creep. They were going for charming Tony Stark lite. So try to take it like that. Life would be more easy. I still think Ray/Felicity is way better and much more healthier than Sara/Oliver. That was so f****d up especially with Laurel doing so badly.
I would say we should consider Laurel as two people. Pre BC Laurel and post BC Laurel. I think now that she can hit something regularly her deposition will be much improved. I liked her scene with felicity this episode. They are still collegues and not friends. But they have room to grow.
Don't be so optimistic. Ray was there too, so I think he was her date, and the next episode she is going to CC with him where she will say that awful line.
"I think now that she can hit something regularly her deposition will be much improved" Do you mean disposition?
I'm excited about the Felicity/Thea scenes too. By the way. In the crossover, didn't Thea think it's a little weird that Felicity and Roy are hanging out together? And that Felicity is still around even though there is no reason for her to be?
That's another thing. How come we didn't get any scenes with Dig convincing her to come back? They just let her leave like that? AAAH the freaking googly eyes!!!
It's not that, it's Oliver saying that the city is more than safe in their hands when it seems like (and I could be wrong when it airs) they actually haven't managed to beat the one criminal they've gone up against, and Diggle replies like Oliver's got to deal with the way things are now, since they've been doing so great since he's gone. Could play out differently in the episode. I know things are bigger than Oliver now, it just seems strange since he a) wasn't gone all that long and b) they weren't all that successful without him.
I appreciate the willingness to burn through story, but they really need to give some things their due time to develop. Just a couple of weeks ago Ray was telling Felicity that he wanted to build the suit to honor his fiancee. He got angry with Felicity for bringing her up last week, but now he wants the suit so he can protect HER? They kissed in 3x07, and there's been nothing romantic since then, and now his mission is to protect her, and she's looking at him all woobified while she's patching him up a week after Oliver dies? I guarantee you Ray and Felicity will start a relationship if not at the end of the next episode, in 3x13.
I think there will be scenes, yes. But idk if they'll go full relationship because of a few things Marc said on Tumblr. I think they will toy with giving Felicity the choice, show her she has other options... so if she choose Oliver, that choice will have more weight.
Don't attach logic to workings of Thea's mind. This is the same girl who casually talks with her murderous father about the undertaking that killed her half brother. She wants to fight for the said father. Who knows what she thought when she saw Felicity and Roy? Sarcasm aside I think last season when Sara was alive Felicity, Diggle, Roy, Sara and Oliver had a scene at the bar. So may be she already considers them friends.
I hope so. I really hope so. I don't want another Oliver/Tommy/Laurel situation with Felicity having feelings for Oliver once she is in a realtionship with Palmer. Yuck. Keep her single forever but don't do that.
Maybe because there was not much time gap between these two episodes. I know Marc said one week had passed. But for me it felt like the next day. Otherwise wouldn't Team Arrow or Felicity learned about Laurel before. I am sad we didn't get any great Diggle/Felicity scenes. I think with this new Team Arrow those will be a thing of the past. It's new combinations all the time.
I just want to see Oliver, Felicity and Diggle in the foundry having some dialogue or banter. I miss them. I don't think we will ever get those days back.
Yeah I read those posts but it feels like Marc and Andrew speak about different shows sometimes. Wasn't Andrew the one who said that 3x10, 3x11 and 3x12 were a BC trilogy and Marc had to do damage control? They seriously need to consult each other because they keep contradicting each other and it makes the fans feel like they are messing with us. I really hope so. I also wish I can erase the image of her giving him the googly eyes days after Oliver's death!!!!
No babe don't be sad. I'm sorry! How can I make it better? YES YES I know. Did you see the new wedding pictures? Dig and Lyla walking in the street about to get into the limousine that had cans attached to it. nothing interrupted the wedding and if it did no one got hurt. Congratulations to the Diggles :D
Yeah, he was. Just like Marc has nothing to do with The Flash, i think Andrew, as the showrunner of Flash, doesn't do anything more in Arrow besides of the honorary EP name. The other day he said "i love writing Ray in the Flash Season Zero comics because i never had the chance before" because of 1x18. To be honest, these three episodes were far from being a Black Canary Trilogy. It's about all the people in Starling trying to save the city without Oliver. Yes, it so happens to be the episode in wich Laurel suits up, but she wasn't the protagonist. So if you ask me, i trust Marc more than Andrew in what Arrow matters.
I am done with Thea for now. She is slowly turning out to be next Laurel Lance for me. The only saving grace is her relationship and loyalty to Oliver.
I guess it all depends on how Oliver returns and what this "super scene" in 3x12, that Marc so happens to like, actually is. Because if he goes back again with the maybes(i still think he said "i love you" to her because he knew he was gonna die) then i'm with her for telling Oliver to f**k off and go looking for another person. The girl has 25 years old and can't stop her life because some 30 yo moron still didn't make up his mind. She needs to try to move on.
Actually, he likes to be cryptic. If you look back to his past interviews or hints you can see were they came from. He, for example, said "i'm very interested to see the fan reaction for 3x14", regarding Olicity. He also, when asked "will we have any hope after this devastating scene in 3x12?", claimed "Yes, in 3x13". I really think Oliver will f**k things up again in 3x12 by doing some idiotic thing. She will say "ok, let's see what this other thing is" and she may envision what a relationship will Ray would be: She needs a date to Dyla's wedding? Well, "come with me Ray, let's see what this could be". I don't think they will get into a full relationship because that's not the point: the point is for Felicity to have another posibility but choosing Oliver. Like "Okay, this is great on paper, but it's not you. No matter how hard is gonna be seeing you out every night going to a posible death... I choose you". Because the character didn't have that and people, if she went into a relationship, would say she's with Oliver because it's the only one there. This way you ground her choice and give weight to them. If they wanted for Felicity to be with Ray they would have done that way back(Like Barry with Linda on The Flash, because Iris MUST see Barry now in a relationship. But it's not the case for Oliver and Felicity. Barry and Linda start dating from Day 1).
Diggles my favorite stable couple. They are like the mum and dad on the show. Every one else acts irrationally. Sometimes I wonder what are these two level headed people doing on this show.
I don't know how but Oliver is going to fuck things up somehow in next episode. I wouldn't put too much into Marc's super scene. He called the Oliver/Laurel hallway confrontation last year emmy worthy. I wanted to punch Oliver after that.
I hated that scene. I wanted to punch Oliver too, but then Laurel apologized to Sara and gave Oliver relationship advice... so i was again irritated by Laurel for being a cartoon Jajaja
Yeah, i know. He will put the foot in a way he's not suppose to... Let's wait and see.
Marc exagerates things, but the reality is that something's gonna happen between them in 3x12 that will make Felicity tell him to "leave her alone romantically"(as Stephen said).
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Well that's cool.
ReplyDeleteI think there a few new clips especially Laurel using police baton as a weapon
ReplyDeleteYeah and Oliver and Roy both jumping out the window was new. (or was that oliver?)
ReplyDeleteOkay, that Merlyn smirk was perfect....Merlyn fanboy ahoiiiii
ReplyDeleteSmart move! They are promoting the show really well!
ReplyDeleteLove the BC origin story.
After 3x12 the show will return to normal, so that's great. Even if it was a good episode, Oliver is missed on the Arrowcave.
ReplyDeleteAlso, maybe when Oliver returns we will stop with the whole Raylicity thing, that is getting on my nerves. It felt really out of place on 3x11, but Ray less creepy.
I'm just so thankful to have Oliver back in Starling!
ReplyDeleteoh that's true! Probably
ReplyDeleteThat was one wicked smile..
ReplyDeleteArrow is getting all introspective on us.
ReplyDeleteI think it was the set they were seen shooting at night for 3x13.
ReplyDeleteI think if Atom spin off works out they will drop the RayXFelicity thing otherwise they might go full blown with it. Any way I can guarantee you more romantic oriented scenes are coming for these two. How much ever we may not like it.
ReplyDeleteCool Promo. It really feels like the start of a new chapter. I think I got the gist of it but if someone could transcribe the Diggle dialogue of the promo I would be grateful.
ReplyDeleteDidn't you see AK latest interview? Apparently Ray is "in love" with her and she has "strong feelings" for both men.
ReplyDelete"And while Oliver’s final thought was of Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards) before he fell, his Girl Friday will continue to grow closer to Ray Palmer (Brandon Routh) while he’s gone. “For Felicity it really becomes a difficult choice between these two men who are both in love with her, who in a way she has strong feelings for,” teased executive producer Andrew Kreisberg. “A lot of the back half of the year is her trying to figure out who [she should be with]."
Understandably of course since "he's Barry in Oliver's body". (rolls eyes for eternity)"
"You have started something. Something strong enough to live on past you. The question is, can you live with what it's become?"
ReplyDeleteAK kinda hates the idea of Oliver&Felicity together though, at least from what I've seen from his interviews. At the end of last season, he was constantly telling about how Laurel was still the love of his life and her learning about his identity would change everything that went wrong about them and all and that we'd see them getting closer.
ReplyDeleteSo yeah, while I hate the idea of Ray & Felicity (because he is just creepy no matter how much I like Brandon Routh), I think AK is overselling it to create attention.
Thanks. I thought it was something like that. Ha! Oliver is going to be so surprised by everyone's resolve once he returns. This is going to be awesome.
ReplyDeleteI think that's in reference to Laurel becoming BC maybe?
ReplyDeleteI don't trust AK anymore on Arrow interviews. He is working on The Flash mostly. Also I think he is over selling the Ray/Felicity romance. Marc kind of said right now there is not much romance coming up. I would take his word.
ReplyDeleteso Diggle seem to be saying if Oliver will accept the changes that have been since his absense? and can Oliver accept the changes that has occured
ReplyDeleteI can imagine that, too, as them bonding and now I get feels from a scene I haven't even seen yet.
ReplyDeleteOliver started this whole thing on his own for vengeance, then became a hero and has the whole city and his partners behind him!
I think that is in reference to the whole city and new heroes standing up to Brick. Even if some time in the future Oliver is really gone someone else will always be there to take his mantle. His solo quest has become huge and Digg is asking can Oliver live with that.
ReplyDeletesame! AK is focused on The Flash and should do that. I trust MG more.
ReplyDeleteYeah but if just insulting at this point. I get that they are trying to sell that awful love triangle and that he likes to throw the word love willy nilly around (just last week Barry and Felicity were in love too) but I'm supposed to believe that he is in love with her after knowing her for three month? And that she has strong feelings for that creep? And when exactly did this happen? Did I miss 10 episodes or something? Or am I watching a different version of the episodes. And if so, can see their episodes? They sound fun and more organic and logical than that awful story I've been seeing.
ReplyDeleteI think having no romance is the right choice especially the final 12 or so episode will be intense......no need for more sub plot
ReplyDeleteI love it since it's been like, what, two weeks since Oliver "died"? They haven't even managed to beat the one villain they've gone up against (sure, it's a big one), and yeah, they got a dude killed, but CAN Oliver handle it?
ReplyDeleteBelieve me nothing would make me happier than to believe that nothing romantic is going to happen soon and I know what you mean about AK, I feel like Marc is doing most of the work. BUT that last episode isn't giving me much hope. What was with that scene at the office? So in a matter of days his mission changed from honouring his dead fiance to saving Felicity? And Felicity, who just lost the man that she loves, was giving him the googly eyes, and his words convinced her to come back to the team and fight to save people and not Diggle or even Roy?
ReplyDeleteI'm gonna take a wild guess that he's going to have a hard time handling that at first, haha. But I imagine once he comes around it'll be a huge relief.
ReplyDeleteI agree! I was all in for Felicity getting a new love interest, but then Ray turned out to be a creep who doesn't know about boundaries or anything and suddenly she was OK with him completely getting rid of QC whereas she was trying to help Oliver get it back and then at dinner she was making this speech that didn't feel genuine and Felicity-like at all and then they were kissing.
ReplyDeleteI mean, yes, Oliver screwed up big time by deciding for the two of them to break up and then had the audacity to say that 'they' made a decision, BUT RAY FREAKING TRACKED HER PHONE AND BOUGHT THE STORE SHE WAS WORKING AT SO THAT SHE'D WORK FOR HER AND BOUGHT A DRESS HER SIZE. I could go on.
Ray is a foil for Oliver, I like that idea, but in practice, it's pretty terrible tbh.
I want them to give Felicity storylines outside of romantic inclinations and then by the season's end, get her finally together with Oliver.
that's what worries me, too! that whole line about her saying 'i don't want to be a woman you love', i'm freaking out that she'll say that to oliver and then she'll go out with ray.
ReplyDeleteOne of the things I love most about The Flash is that I don't really care about the romance in it. Sure I love Barry and Iris a lot but there are a lot going on I'm more interested in than Barry's love life and I would be fine if there are no romance this season at all.
ReplyDeleteYou what's bothering me about that line. People are speculating that she will decide that being with him will cause her a lot of pain because she lost him once and she can lose him again in any second and she doesn't want to feel like that again so she walks away and begins to date Ray. Just one question, isn't Ray on his way to become a hero too, which means he can die at any second as well?
ReplyDeleteI agree. But I think there will be a lot of romantic subtext coming up. Also MG said there is some sexy times coming up on the show in which Oliver is not a participant. It must be either Digg/Lyla, Thea/DJ Douchebag or Felicity/Ray. There is one in third chances of Felicity scratching some itch.
ReplyDeletePlease don't get me started on those awful Ray/Felicity scenes in episode 7 or all the creepy stalkery pushy stuff he did because we will be here all night. I agree Oliver messed up big time and it's his fault really we are in this situation but when he said that she made a decision I think that he was referring to her words in episode 2 when she said that she is not going to wait with him and that she accepted Ray's job offer.
ReplyDeleteRay as an idea sounded good but when they actually wrote him, everything fell apart and the character was horribly written and executed. No disrespect to BR but he gets this crazy look in his eyes that complements the stalkery persona very nicely.
Exactly! Why not give her an actual story besides being a sidekick for every superhero and a love interest?
This is the same guy who in the past week said in an interview Arrow, ATOM and Flash is in love with Felicity. In what universe? Right now only Oliver is in love with Felicity. Barry and Felicity never had more than passing attraction to each other.
ReplyDeleteHe is going to be so baffled. Roy has become confident. Felicity has become strong in her convictions. She is supporting Laurel. Laurel is BC and no one on the team has an issue with it. LOL He is screwed.
ReplyDeleteBarry and Felicity looked good on paper, but with them being in love with other people (and, well, other shows), it wasn't going to work out. I don't understand what AK says half the time. And Ray is a foil for Oliver, but he just developed feelings too suddenly, there wasn't any natural progression. I mean, he did lose his fiance only like 7 months ago (didn't she die during Slade's attack)?
ReplyDeleteI was so happy when I saw the people of Glades fighting with Team Arrow. At last.. So much shit has happened there. Its like Glades suddenly got a personality. Arrow is a symbol now for everyone to rally behind.
ReplyDeleteBut they fought hard with all they have in his absence. That is going to surprise the heck out of Oliver.
ReplyDeleteI think it could be a Laurel/Tommy flashback.
ReplyDeleteI wanted it to be Diggle or Roy. Someone who is in the same boat as her.
ReplyDeleteI agree she needs a female friend. I loved her friendship with Sara. But I'm not feeling it with Laurel because most of their previous interactions were bad. Laurel was bossy and dismissive of her.
ReplyDeleteI loved that in episode 8 when Lyla was in danger Dig was more focused and determined and when she got hurt he realized that he doesn't want to spend another minute with out her. TAKE NOTES, OLIVER! THAT'S HOW IT'S DONE!!
ReplyDeleteOh, Laurel was terrible to her but I think there is room to grow... I mean, look at Laurel and Diggle hugging it out.
ReplyDeleteI doubt that they'd bring in any other females (not without agendas) just to give Felicity some life outside of Arrow, so I'll take Laurel.
I agree on all points! Even without a romantic undertone, they are partners, they'd suffer in any case if they lost one - just look at what Roy and Diggle are going through.
ReplyDeleteThey should just go for it, knowing in their line of work every second is precious. Then they can bring in all the drama, which I'll accept with open arms. Just don't go with the way of a ridiculous love triangle and make it legitimate by making Felicity lose her characteristics.
It doesn't make any sense whatsoever! Look I'm ok with them not getting together very soon, it's TV law. But you don't have to go the love triangle route. They are more than capable of destroying their relationship on their own, thank you very much. Just give me a reasonable excuse other than her not wanting to feel the pain of his loss! If he died when she isn't dating him she won't be sad? Isn't that what's happening right now? They weren't dating and she felt the pain. They weren't together in the crossover and still Boomerang broke into the foundry (where she is supposed to be safe) and she could've died instead she was the one to get rid of him.
ReplyDeleteooohhh.. That's interesting. We are getting a flashback where Oliver returning to Starling with Maseo. That could be it.
ReplyDeleteThose were cringeworthy, so happy someone else agrees! Everyone thought they were 'cute'... nope.
ReplyDeleteIf they developed Ray more as a character, then brought in the ATOM stuff, I think it'd have made more sense, but that didn't happen unfortunately.
Felicity needs some felicity in her life and that shouldn't necessarily come from love interests. She needs some lady friends, I really liked her scenes with Laurel from last night's episode, I need more of those and less love triangle.
Unlike most people I don't have much issues with Ray. Yep he is self involved jackass sometimes but I like him. He is not my favorite but I don't mind him. I even don't mind him developing feelings for Felicity this fast. It's Felicity.. Can you blame him? I am ready to leave my husband if Felicity gives me time of her day joking.. I even get conflicting feelings from Felicity. My main problem with this pair is episode 3x07 and the jump they did in that episode. It killed all feelings I had for them. Still I wouldn't mind if they go a romantic way with these two. We know it is not going to last any way.
ReplyDeleteI would be ok with Thea or even Sin.
ReplyDeleteThat scene at the office imo went a little romantic way which ruined it. They could have toned down the googly eyes. But the crux of it is that when faced with real danger Ray did not think about Anna while fighting the thug. His only thought was to save Felicity because she was in danger. That made Felicity realize Arrow job is not about Oliver but about every person in the city who is in danger. Now if they had not shown them staring at each other after that line it would have been way better. Then again after 3x07 we know that Felicity is fond of Ray Palmer. Does she love him like Oliver. Definitely no. But she likes Ray a lot. His opinions matter to her.
ReplyDeleteThat episode was too pushing it, it felt out of place and out of character for Felicity.
ReplyDeleteI think they had done the same thing with Sara and Oliver last season. I was completely fine with them getting together and actually it made a lot of sense if it was just a physical thing, then suddenly they were in this full-blown romantic relationship in like one episode and Oliver was freaking out that Slade would go after her (even though she could have handed Slade's ass to him, thank you very much) and it killed any support I had for them.
And yeah, I'd totally for Felicity, too.
We also see Thea and we know that she was aware that there was something between them.
ReplyDeleteMaybe because Glades is where the docks are? And all kinds of trafficking happens there drugs, human, money laundering.. crime families may be working out of Glades.
ReplyDeleteThat's exactly my point! She needs to be either with Oliver or just walk away from both because they are on a similar path. And also it doesn't make any sense because she is in the same line of work, too! I mean, she did get hit by a bullet and confronted Slade! She could have killed herself because she is also trying to be a hero herself.
ReplyDeleteSo I don't understand why she'd be saying that to Oliver because a) Oliver had no other choice but to go, and she was more than willing to accept it and she herself told Oliver to kill Ra's, b) even if she grew closer to Ray, her feelings for Oliver wouldn't just disappear and would actually heighten when she thought he was dead.
WHY CAN'T THEY JUST GET TOGETHER AND MAKEOUT HARDCORE? I want to lock the two of them in the lair and not let them out until they settle down things.
I still don't understand why people want to take over Glades, but I love that the people living there really see Arrow as, you say, a symbol to rally behind.
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ReplyDeleteIt's Arrow. They will always ruin any romantic story line. Dyla is working because it is of screen mostly. Olicity is working because they didn't even know they were writing it. LOL. Once they knew it they rushed it in episode 1 this season. So I would say just take it lightly and expect them to screw this story line more and always read behind the lines. They did not expect people would consider Ray a creep. They were going for charming Tony Stark lite. So try to take it like that. Life would be more easy.
ReplyDeleteI still think Ray/Felicity is way better and much more healthier than Sara/Oliver. That was so f****d up especially with Laurel doing so badly.
And even Lyla freaking got hurt, so yeah, it can happen to anyone.
ReplyDeleteMaybe their wedding will bring some sense to both and end our agony.
But she was away from the foundry and needed a push to go back to Digg and Roy. If only they had avoided the googly eyes.
ReplyDeleteYESSSSSS! I was so happy to see them sitting next to each other in the wedding! Hopefully that's how the scene was shot.
ReplyDeleteI would say we should consider Laurel as two people. Pre BC Laurel and post BC Laurel. I think now that she can hit something regularly her deposition will be much improved. I liked her scene with felicity this episode. They are still collegues and not friends. But they have room to grow.
ReplyDeleteBut I am most excited for Thea/Felicity scenes.
Don't be so optimistic. Ray was there too, so I think he was her date, and the next episode she is going to CC with him where she will say that awful line.
ReplyDeleteDiggle for the love of god WEAR A BULLETT PROOF VEST!!! The dude has a small child and a soon to be re-wife.
ReplyDelete"I think now that she can hit something regularly her deposition will be much improved" Do you mean disposition?
ReplyDeleteI'm excited about the Felicity/Thea scenes too. By the way. In the crossover, didn't Thea think it's a little weird that Felicity and Roy are hanging out together? And that Felicity is still around even though there is no reason for her to be?
lol
ReplyDeleteThat's another thing. How come we didn't get any scenes with Dig convincing her to come back? They just let her leave like that? AAAH the freaking googly eyes!!!
ReplyDeletewhoa very legacy sounding awesome
ReplyDeleteIt's not that, it's Oliver saying that the city is more than safe in their hands when it seems like (and I could be wrong when it airs) they actually haven't managed to beat the one criminal they've gone up against, and Diggle replies like Oliver's got to deal with the way things are now, since they've been doing so great since he's gone. Could play out differently in the episode. I know things are bigger than Oliver now, it just seems strange since he a) wasn't gone all that long and b) they weren't all that successful without him.
ReplyDeleteI appreciate the willingness to burn through story, but they really need to give some things their due time to develop. Just a couple of weeks ago Ray was telling Felicity that he wanted to build the suit to honor his fiancee. He got angry with Felicity for bringing her up last week, but now he wants the suit so he can protect HER? They kissed in 3x07, and there's been nothing romantic since then, and now his mission is to protect her, and she's looking at him all woobified while she's patching him up a week after Oliver dies? I guarantee you Ray and Felicity will start a relationship if not at the end of the next episode, in 3x13.
ReplyDeleteAndrew Krisberg is more on The Flash now. He's also the worst giving interviews. One person asked Marc "if Oliver comes back and Felicity is with Ray, that would be so cliché" and he reply "then it's good we're not doing that". Then another asked him "If Olicity would be apart because of a third party" and Marc's reply was "Yes, but it's not Ray Palmer".
ReplyDeleteI really think he will present himself as an option for her to consider, but idk if they will actually start a relationship.
Yep. I think it has scenes for 3x12 and 3x13.
ReplyDeleteI think there will be scenes, yes. But idk if they'll go full relationship because of a few things Marc said on Tumblr. I think they will toy with giving Felicity the choice, show her she has other options... so if she choose Oliver, that choice will have more weight.
ReplyDeleteYep. Disposition. Auto correct I tell you!
ReplyDeleteDon't attach logic to workings of Thea's mind. This is the same girl who casually talks with her murderous father about the undertaking that killed her half brother. She wants to fight for the said father. Who knows what she thought when she saw Felicity and Roy?
Sarcasm aside I think last season when Sara was alive Felicity, Diggle, Roy, Sara and Oliver had a scene at the bar. So may be she already considers them friends.
I hope so. I really hope so. I don't want another Oliver/Tommy/Laurel situation with Felicity having feelings for Oliver once she is in a realtionship with Palmer. Yuck. Keep her single forever but don't do that.
ReplyDeleteMaybe because there was not much time gap between these two episodes. I know Marc said one week had passed. But for me it felt like the next day. Otherwise wouldn't Team Arrow or Felicity learned about Laurel before. I am sad we didn't get any great Diggle/Felicity scenes. I think with this new Team Arrow those will be a thing of the past. It's new combinations all the time.
ReplyDeleteI don't think it was a week too because Dig's injury from 3x10 hasn't healed yet. I miss my Team Arrow moments so much :(
ReplyDeleteI just want to see Oliver, Felicity and Diggle in the foundry having some dialogue or banter. I miss them. I don't think we will ever get those days back.
ReplyDeleteYeah I read those posts but it feels like Marc and Andrew speak about different shows sometimes. Wasn't Andrew the one who said that 3x10, 3x11 and 3x12 were a BC trilogy and Marc had to do damage control? They seriously need to consult each other because they keep contradicting each other and it makes the fans feel like they are messing with us.
ReplyDeleteI really hope so. I also wish I can erase the image of her giving him the googly eyes days after Oliver's death!!!!
The good old days. "This started with the three of us. It's time we got back to that" Ah Oliver how I wish you could go back too.
ReplyDeleteNow you are making me sad :(
ReplyDeleteYou don't have to tell me about auto correct and by the way that jike was hilarious hahahahahaha
ReplyDeleteThere hasn't been an episode this season when I didn't want to punch Thea :\
mmmm that makes sense.
No babe don't be sad. I'm sorry!
ReplyDeleteHow can I make it better? YES YES I know. Did you see the new wedding pictures? Dig and Lyla walking in the street about to get into the limousine that had cans attached to it. nothing interrupted the wedding and if it did no one got hurt. Congratulations to the Diggles :D
Yeah, he was. Just like Marc has nothing to do with The Flash, i think Andrew, as the showrunner of Flash, doesn't do anything more in Arrow besides of the honorary EP name. The other day he said "i love writing Ray in the Flash Season Zero comics because i never had the chance before" because of 1x18.
ReplyDeleteTo be honest, these three episodes were far from being a Black Canary Trilogy. It's about all the people in Starling trying to save the city without Oliver. Yes, it so happens to be the episode in wich Laurel suits up, but she wasn't the protagonist.
So if you ask me, i trust Marc more than Andrew in what Arrow matters.
I am done with Thea for now. She is slowly turning out to be next Laurel Lance for me. The only saving grace is her relationship and loyalty to Oliver.
ReplyDeleteYeah me too. The problem is that I don't trust everything Marc says. He LOVES to troll.
ReplyDeleteI guess it all depends on how Oliver returns and what this "super scene" in 3x12, that Marc so happens to like, actually is. Because if he goes back again with the maybes(i still think he said "i love you" to her because he knew he was gonna die) then i'm with her for telling Oliver to f**k off and go looking for another person.
ReplyDeleteThe girl has 25 years old and can't stop her life because some 30 yo moron still didn't make up his mind. She needs to try to move on.
Exactly!
ReplyDeleteActually, he likes to be cryptic. If you look back to his past interviews or hints you can see were they came from. He, for example, said "i'm very interested to see the fan reaction for 3x14", regarding Olicity. He also, when asked "will we have any hope after this devastating scene in 3x12?", claimed "Yes, in 3x13".
ReplyDeleteI really think Oliver will f**k things up again in 3x12 by doing some idiotic thing. She will say "ok, let's see what this other thing is" and she may envision what a relationship will Ray would be: She needs a date to Dyla's wedding? Well, "come with me Ray, let's see what this could be".
I don't think they will get into a full relationship because that's not the point: the point is for Felicity to have another posibility but choosing Oliver. Like "Okay, this is great on paper, but it's not you. No matter how hard is gonna be seeing you out every night going to a posible death... I choose you". Because the character didn't have that and people, if she went into a relationship, would say she's with Oliver because it's the only one there. This way you ground her choice and give weight to them.
If they wanted for Felicity to be with Ray they would have done that way back(Like Barry with Linda on The Flash, because Iris MUST see Barry now in a relationship. But it's not the case for Oliver and Felicity. Barry and Linda start dating from Day 1).
Diggles my favorite stable couple. They are like the mum and dad on the show. Every one else acts irrationally. Sometimes I wonder what are these two level headed people doing on this show.
ReplyDeleteI love them a lot too. I got really emotional when I saw those pictures.
ReplyDeleteI don't know how but Oliver is going to fuck things up somehow in next episode. I wouldn't put too much into Marc's super scene. He called the Oliver/Laurel hallway confrontation last year emmy worthy. I wanted to punch Oliver after that.
ReplyDeleteI hated that scene. I wanted to punch Oliver too, but then Laurel apologized to Sara and gave Oliver relationship advice... so i was again irritated by Laurel for being a cartoon Jajaja
ReplyDeleteYeah, i know. He will put the foot in a way he's not suppose to... Let's wait and see.
Marc exagerates things, but the reality is that something's gonna happen between them in 3x12 that will make Felicity tell him to "leave her alone romantically"(as Stephen said).
Arrow and The 100 will be the death of me O.O
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