I think the second episode of a three part arc usually where the excitement is and stop the main threat before everything is wrapped up in the third part. I wish we could have back to back episode
Really excited for Laurel's arc. Excited to see the team without Oliver honestly. Don't get me wrong I love Oliver but I just want to see how the characters are when their worlds don't seem to revolve around him.
So is anyone else not outing 2 and 2 together? Lol Colton hinted at Roy having a love interest on the team and now Roy and Laurel are trapped together.
Damn, so Quentin calls Felicity to get in touch with Arrow, but she tells Roy to go, and does Diggle dress up again? IDTS. It can't be her that's saying, "I know where to find the canary." She's not that stupid. That doesn't make any sense. Say she does say that as part of a "plan" then what? Quentin's gonna wonder how come Sara didn't come by to see him or call him. Then what? He spots Laurel in Sara's suite?? God i hope not. What a mess. Poor Quentin.
Oliver, you would be proud of Diggs and Roy, hurry back to your team. They miss you.
I completely agree! I really look forward to seeing how their new dynamic (though it is temporary) will work. :) And Oliver finding out Laurel has taken up the Black Canary identity when he comes back will be interesting!
I guess the rest of the league could keep him there, but I guess this is his opportunity to decide if he wants to continue. As I recall, he more or less told Felicity his life was over. I would not mind him actually not returning to the team until end of the season. At first I figured it just be a few episodes, then hed be back. But since they did not drag that part out I guess it could last for longer than spoilers suggest thus far. Most suggest 3-5 episodes. Though before I figured they might drag out revealing him.
Except for Quentin not knowing Sara's fate everything else is great now. I can't wait to see Felicity taking the decision to come back and save her city. Laurel is really crazy. I like that. It makes sense. Her and Arsenal fighting together. I still wish it was with Diggle. Just because DR is a better actor than CH and KC will benefit from that. But I understand why they would team her up with Arsenal.
well considering BC and Arsenal are comic character it make sense they work together.....I guess Laurel know Sara was not killed by Roy or they would not work together.......
Pretty sure it's Felicity's voice saying "I know where to find the Canary." But maybe I can hold out hope that she's saying it to Diggle and Laurel and she means the cemetery. But most likely they have Felicity being complicit in continuing to hide Sara's death from Lance and she means Laurel.
So they are not gonna explain how Laurel became a badass in a few months ? sigh... Her whole orgin story is so lame. Hope Oliver coming back is the Lazarus pit, as i's no way he could have survived otherwise. It just would be too much shark jumping for me :/ This season has been such a letdown for me, season 2 kicked so much more ass :(
Marc said it was discussed that Laurel is kinda crazy. She thinks that's what she needs, and has plenty of that... she's crazy and reckless and i'm sure Roy and Digg will tell her that being that crazy is gonna get her killed. I really found interesting the way the aproached it.
I think Laurel accepted Oliver's decision that Roy was not the killer and that's that. I was not talking from a character point of view. It makes sense to put Arsenal and BC together. I was saying that in reference to the acting. CH is a very bad actor and KC though not bad I fail to connect with her. But when she is paired with good actors like Paul Blackthorne or today David Ramsey I tend to like her. It will be difficult for me to sit through CH and KC's acting.
I don't think its lame. I think Oliver's story was one of revenge. He wanted to avenge his father and eliminate the people on his list. Meanwhile Laurel's story is one of justice. S1 one saw her as a lawyer for the little guy, and season 2 saw her as a DA trying to find justice in a corrupt system. Now in season 3 she sees that she may not find justice playing nice and takes up the mantle of her sister as a vigilante. In theory we can find our "island" or our rock bottom anywhere and having the strength to come back from that is what should make a hero. I see Laurel as a protector of the little guy preventing run of the mill crime and forging a name for herself. Oliver in turn has a long list of enemies that target Starling city because of him and he has to protect the people from that.
1) The killed Sara who was awesome, and her orgin story was great and made sense (her training, motivations, connection with Cindy, the LoA ect.). Laurel previous "jurney" and motivations ment nothing without her death, so they killed an awesome char to boost a lame one :/
2) Thea killing Sara was total bs on many many levels: it made Sara look bad, as catching arrows is something even lame Helena did with np :/ (don't get me started on ninja Thea archery master after few months with Merlin!!). The whole "who killed Sara" from the begining of this season was lame as a whole with that resolution!!
3) Laurel had 0 prior motivation of gaining justice outside the law herself!
5) Am I suppose to believe that after 2 months in a boxing gym she is a master of all martial arts and can handle a bowstaff ?!?!? She has a normal job, it's not like she can train for days at a time like Oliver, Sara, hell even Roy (another miricle training master :/) ?!!? You know that you can't just "take up the mantle of her sister" just by putting on leather :/
6) If drinking some booze and taking a few pills after Tommy's death is Laurels crucible, her 'island' (comparing it to Sara and Oliver) it is super lame!!
I could go on and on....
On a side note, poor captain Lance, he is really clueless lol
Sorry but I just don't 'buy' Laurel, her jurney or whatever. Real street threats right now is way too much for her and realisticly (even for this show lol) she would get her ass kicked even maybe die (that would be nice haha). Ohh well, stil like the show, but lately it just too much bs on screen to swallow :P
I'm imagining Oliver coming back and throwing a fit like "You shouldn't be out there fighting...blah...blah..blah" and either all of Team Arrow or just one of them (Diggle, Roy, or Felicity) sticking up for her either along the lines of "You think you're going to stop her?" or how she's been helping them out and she's basically part of the team.
I'm looking foward for more scenes with Oliver and Maseo.. for the first time I was intrigued with flashbacks. Also, waiting from the great come back of Arrow and everyone's reaction :D
I think Oliver was right about Laurel thinking about this as a game without considering the consequences, and she goes out and does completely nuts stuff because she just wants this so badly and doesn't care about the rest. I hope she doesn't wind up being absurdly lucky with some of the stuff she pulls (if what I read about what happens after she jumps out of that window is true, I'm worried she might be). I know she's supposed to struggle a bit, but we'll see.
I also hope that she tells Quentin in the next episode, because it makes no sense to me that she's worried that he'll die if he finds out about Sara, but she's not at all worried about him dying if/when he finds out about her vigilante-ing, considering he actually made her promise him she wouldn't do that.
I really haven't cared for Laurel since the beginning of the series, and I still think her rise to BC is stupid, but I really liked her last night in most of her scenes. I hope we get more of that Laurel coming up instead of the one we've been getting for most of the 50-ish episodes before. I'm cautiously optimistic, which is something I didn't think I'd be saying after the mid-season finale.
I think suiting up came more from an impulse than a "i'm prepared". She learned everything her and team arrow's work was going down the toilet, Oliver is dead and Digg and Felicity are out. Then she sees Sara's gear... i don't think she thought about that... she's just reckless. And she went for a low street idiot with Sara's Canary Cry. It's ok for her to beat that incompetent man. I think Quentin will know if not next episode, then in 3x12... That story was dragged because Ramirez wasn't there to shoot and they had to do something with Laurel. On the first bunch of episode she not telling him was an unspoken story.
Oh, I don't think she thinks she's prepared, I definitely think she went out there on impulse because the team seemed to be disbanding. And I'm not commenting on her ability regarding anything she did last night - it was low-level stuff. I just HOPE she's not absurdly lucky with the things she manages to pull off in the next episode (that we're commenting on the preview for) and beyond.
With regards to her not telling Quentin - I'm over it. I think it's a terrible thing to do and her reasoning for not doing it is shoddy and stupid. But that's not something I'm ever going to change my mind on, regardless of when she actually does it, haha.
Can I say worst on Arrow. I like his dry wit though when on rare instances they allow him to do that. His angry face and sad face needs work. The scene with Thea in Corto Maltese wad his best work till date.
I won't fight you on worst (well him or De Gouw). But I do really like his dry wit and still any brotherly or team scene he has with Oliver and the others.
Well like I said, it doesn't make any sense for her to say that. So again, it's either a plan or it's Isbloom's cemetery theory. As we discussed, some time ago.
I don't mind Jessica De Gouw as an actress. It's just huntress is a very one note character. Where as I love Roy as a character. His obsession with Arrow, his passion to help glades, his dry wit and now in season 3 his bonding with Oliver. The problem is CH bores me in emotional scenes. When they see Sara's body is an example. Also when he learned he killed the cop. Latter was way better. When they learned Thea killed Sara no reaction or sadness on his face. Sadly his character is a broody one. They need to change it to wise cracking energetic one.
I just laughed at that shot. They kept the camera on her butt for quite some time. Super hero genre just can't get over the sexism can they. At least Arrow used to give us shirtless dudes too.
I'll address your points then: 1) personal opinion, nothing wrong with it but yes it counts as bias 2) Sara never expected Thea or that she would kill her. It takes a bit to prep to catch an arrow especiLly when not expecting it. And Thea in season 1 had an archery trophy on her shelf. She's trained before. Not to mention a few months of training (the same Roy had had, and Oliver even less after his first year on the island) with a master like Malcolm is enough to hit a non moving target 8 feet away in the centre. 3) Yes she did (the whole bit with her mom in 3x09, asking Oliver to train her so she could be a vigilante and training in boxing with Ted.) 4) self-defence and boxing, as well as marital arts under Ted counts. 5) she used a sonic device to stun them and built to guys on the ground. Literally all that is, is swinging a staff and hitting someone whose lying on the ground, that's not hard. The producers have repeatedly said that she's still learning, she'll get her ass handed to her and that she's not a hero yet. 6) Personal opinion. Not a objective fact. Again bias.
Amell's quite good as Oliver. He wasn't at first. But his ability to differentiate island Oliver, pre-island Oliver and the Arrow physically and vocally is impressive. Also dude can do some legit emotional acting as Oliver, even if the character is always restrained the pain, anger, sadness or even happiness done by Amell is again pretty damn good at times.
It's not an actual theory--it's wishful thinking that they wouldn't drag Felicity stupidly and against all consistent characterization into the "let's lie to Lance about Sara's death" plot all while simultaneously having her go back on her, "if it will kill Oliver and Sara, the rest of us don't have a chance, nobody else needs to die" stance by her aiding Laurel in her quest to do the exact opposite of what the show is telling us is a good idea.
It was hilarious. First season it was Oliver's abs, last season it was Sara's girls and this season it is Laurel and Felicity's butt. But never before had they focused this much on one body part. With Oliver and Felicity it is always full body shots.
Well honestly, I'd take that over anything else. Felicity knows Sara is dead, everyone knows Sara is dead. Except for Quentin obviously. I don't need Felicity getting dragged (and blamed) into Laurel's bad decision making on keeping Sara's death a secret from him. She already got her Mother to side with her on that. I Can only IMAGINE how that's gonna go. Team Arrow and Thea, have not told Quentin, b/c it's not their place and out of respect for Laurel. Now what? Felicity's being pulled in to reveal the truth?? Which is just freaking cruel, (knowing that her and Quentin have a pretty good trusting relationship) knowing Sara won't be there. And taking it "amongst herself" to help out Laurel, when it's Laurel who should've done this in the beginning....byyyy herself. Which was the whole point anywaY.You know?? Sooo yeahhh either way you look at it, it doesn't make sense. So i'd rather be it Felicity, and Laurel have a moment, Felicity finds out what she did that night, and spare's her feelings (lightly), and she's all, "You're not the canary. I know where to find the canary. Follow me." BOOM! Graveyard, rude awakening, then idk, they hug it out, Laurel cries, then she goes to tell Quentin. THAT i would be okay with. Then she can go off and "try to save the world". That iI could see.
Maybe Felicity is not saying this to Lance. But he is declaring it somewhere public so that bad guys may think canary is coming back. As I am typing this I am realizing the ridiculousness of the whole thing. It looks like Team Arrow comes to an agreement about letting Laurel impersonate Sara on the streets and this dialogue is a part of this. I hope they have the courtesy to inform Quentin before this.
Here here!! Personally, one of my favorites, is when he acts with his eyes!! He can give off so many different expressions with just his eyes! You know what he's thinking, saying, asking, with just his eyes and iI love it! And it's subtle when he does it. It's not like in your face type of acting. It comes off natural even though he's acting. He's not over acting, is what iI should say. But yeah, eye acting FTW. LOL
I really really hope that dialogue is not said to Quentin. It seems almost cruel to do so and from someone like Felicity who is actually going through the death of a loved one. I hope it is done during some motivational speech for Laurel like you said. No need for Felicity to fall in the mess of Lance family saga. When I first heard it I thought it was Laurel who says it. Now I am curious what are they up to?
Her saying it to Laurel in a awakening/motivational way. Is the only thing that could make sense. If she said it to Quentin, that would make her look terrible, and it's just downright unnecessary!! Not to mention truly unfair. If she said it to Diggle and Roy, after she had some "talk" with Laurel, (convincing Felicity that her taking Sara's place was the right thing to do) then she'd come off as a total hypocrite. And Felicity is not that person. Sooo that line, i Really hope it's to Laurel. Otherwise, I hope it's cut out of the episode.
I do think this is a part of motivational speech. This must be Laurel /Felicity scene MG was harping about. Nothing else makes sense. Still don't like the dialogue even in that concept. It feels like the season 2 finale scene where Sara saves that child from the burning building and Laurel says she is the canary. And then the cop lady at the precinct. God I forgot how mad I am stil about that. They build Sara up so much in the finale to just kill her off in the captain premiere.
Ugh!! You know what bothered me about that?? Her name was never fully dropped. I mean people knew OF Sara, but I wanted the name to really get out there, and after Laurel said it, it was like she never said it at all. And I bet it would've if she wasn't killed off so damn quickly.
Ohhhh a flashback....that.....is interesting. And WHERE TF IS SIN?!?! This is bothering me!!!
HOLY SHIT!! Light bulb!! Maybe Felicity is saying it to Sin?? That could make sense!
Sin is unfortunately coming only in ep13 canaries iirc. I think that is the episode Laurel will get vertigoed, hallucinate Sara and will know it was Thea who killed Sara. I am not sure if Sin has an extended life after that.
That was Felicity. They show Laurel when Felicity says Canary. It's a promo gimmick. And Lance always calls Felicity when he wants to know where the Arrow or Canary is.
I don't have a problem with Laurel's character, but unless we find out that someone's been spiking her coffee with Mirakuru or that she got struck by a special lightning, then her sudden ability to physically take on the most dangerous of criminals without being killed on the spot is ridiculously implausible, even for a show that brings people back from the dead! It would have made far more sense for Diggle or Roy to take over the major vigilante roles in Oliver's absence. But instead, the writers made them act like they were weak
The point being made was that most fictional superheroes or warriors usually have a plausible origin story (or a supernatural reason) to justify their abilities. Oliver and Sara spent years learning to survive on a dangerous island. Barry got struck by man-made lightning. Bruce Wayne lost his parents and started learning to fight from childhood, Superman was from another planet and Nyssa probably learned to fight before she could walk. But now we have Laurel, recent graduate of self-defense class, soon to be followed by Thea, soon to be followed by ATOM (although the latter will at least have an explanation). It's gradually becoming that show where everyone gets to play superhero or supervillain.
OMG NOOOOOOOO! I saw that interview and I don't know what it would be more ridiculous, Roy/Felicity or Roy/Laurel. I'm glad this storyline is not happening, we don't need love triangles. Love triangles are stupid, they make people do bad things!!!
The fact that she's wearing a costume doesn't mean she's gonna be good instantly. We only saw her beating a guy with a stick after stunning him with the noisy thingy. Roy doesn't have a lot of experience and is managing. They can't send everyone to Lian Yu... I don't think it was out of character for Felicity and Diggle to disband. They've lost the person who brought them together in the first place and they've lost him for the mission. Also, Felicity is in love with Oliver and Diggle probably saw him as a brother, the need for the team is going to bring them back together eventually, but it's understandable that they've lost sense of purpose.
Laurel is far from being good the writer's already confirmed that just because she has a costume doesn't mean she's a hero the last episode just showed her using the Canary Cry on them to stun them and hit them with a pole anyone can do that when they're already on the ground she wasn't even holding it properly. She's going to get the crap beat out of her a lot is what I'm thinking even worse than when she tried to take on that abusive husband.
They're not all disbanded just Felicity Diggle and Roy don't know what they're going to do but given the promo it looks like they're going to have to bring the team back together to save the Glades.
Maybe he needs to recover? It's not like he can just go back home right now he needs rest and I don't know if Tatsu will bring him back because from the looks of things she's in hiding or doesn't want to be seen by many people.
If you look up the second BC origin story it isn't much different from Laurel's. Most of the crappy stuff happened to her after she donned the suit. The problem was that they made the "original" canary first her sister and then her rival because of Oliver. Also one of the things that set the two canaries apart was the canary cry which in this case is just a disc used by both canaries. I think to properly differentiate the two and the legitimacy of Laurel it would be better for Laurel to become meta like Flash. Maybe with an idea like her getting captured and tortured and unlocking her meta potential which saves. Sort of the opposite of what happened when she was kidnaped in the comics.
What? I'm still calling her China white that's her name. (she still goes by it). I was just pointing out that i loved that flashback scene. Oliver kept butchering her name and Waller gets annoyed correcting him and he's all, who cares!!! lol.
Yeah, but he didn't do that much at all a lot of people might not say it right anyway but that's funny I need more funny and sass from Oliver sure the show is dark but it could use a lot more humor.
I don't mind it. When he is "funny" with his dry humor, I always catch it and love it. He has a lot of funny moments, i think, it's just subtle. I can wait until for him to be "Green Arrow funny".
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I think the second episode of a three part arc usually where the excitement is and stop the main threat before everything is wrapped up in the third part. I wish we could have back to back episode
ReplyDeleteThis looks really good! My little Canary stepping up her game. Precious!
ReplyDeleteChina White's back crap and The Black Canary officially in business awesome
ReplyDeleteReally excited for Laurel's arc. Excited to see the team without Oliver honestly. Don't get me wrong I love Oliver but I just want to see how the characters are when their worlds don't seem to revolve around him.
ReplyDeleteSo is anyone else not outing 2 and 2 together? Lol Colton hinted at Roy having a love interest on the team and now Roy and Laurel are trapped together.
ReplyDeleteWhatever as lo g as I get more Canary.
Laurel still thinks that Roy killed Sara, so I do not see that working for now.
ReplyDeleteSounds like the mayor is involve in the fight against Brick. Maybe some info about the new mayor would be nice
ReplyDeleteI wonder if Laurel's statement of "I know where to find the Canary" mean that her father will find out that Sara died. That would be major fallout.
ReplyDeleteDamn, so Quentin calls Felicity to get in touch with Arrow, but she tells Roy to go, and does Diggle dress up again? IDTS. It can't be her that's saying, "I know where to find the canary." She's not that stupid. That doesn't make any sense. Say she does say that as part of a "plan" then what? Quentin's gonna wonder how come Sara didn't come by to see him or call him. Then what? He spots Laurel in Sara's suite?? God i hope not. What a mess. Poor Quentin.
ReplyDeleteOliver, you would be proud of Diggs and Roy, hurry back to your team. They miss you.
I completely agree! I really look forward to seeing how their new dynamic (though it is temporary) will work. :) And Oliver finding out Laurel has taken up the Black Canary identity when he comes back will be interesting!
ReplyDeleteOh is that who that woman is?
ReplyDeleteYeah Quentin must find out soon. If he sees the Canary I think he'd recognize that it is Laurel and not Sara
ReplyDeleteThat'll be really sad.
ReplyDeleteshe probably one of the more dangerous villain along with Vertigo and Komodo(which I doubt been caught)
ReplyDeleteI guess the rest of the league could keep him there, but I guess this is his opportunity to decide if he wants to continue. As I recall, he more or less told Felicity his life was over. I would not mind him actually not returning to the team until end of the season. At first I figured it just be a few episodes, then hed be back. But since they did not drag that part out I guess it could last for longer than spoilers suggest thus far. Most suggest 3-5 episodes. Though before I figured they might drag out revealing him.
ReplyDeleteExcept for Quentin not knowing Sara's fate everything else is great now. I can't wait to see Felicity taking the decision to come back and save her city. Laurel is really crazy. I like that. It makes sense. Her and Arsenal fighting together. I still wish it was with Diggle. Just because DR is a better actor than CH and KC will benefit from that. But I understand why they would team her up with Arsenal.
ReplyDeletewell considering BC and Arsenal are comic character it make sense they work together.....I guess Laurel know Sara was not killed by Roy or they would not work together.......
ReplyDeleteSo Oliver needs to be told to go home? Seriously?
ReplyDeleteWhy are all of my fears happening?
Pretty sure it's Felicity's voice saying "I know where to find the Canary." But maybe I can hold out hope that she's saying it to Diggle and Laurel and she means the cemetery. But most likely they have Felicity being complicit in continuing to hide Sara's death from Lance and she means Laurel.
ReplyDeleteI like the cemetery theory better.
ReplyDeleteWas that Laurel though ? To me it sounded more like Felicity..
ReplyDeleteand FINALLY Laurel gets to kick ass and take names as the Canary. Waited so long for her to actually get to do something
So they are not gonna explain how Laurel became a badass in a few months ? sigh... Her whole orgin story is so lame. Hope Oliver coming back is the Lazarus pit, as i's no way he could have survived otherwise. It just would be too much shark jumping for me :/ This season has been such a letdown for me, season 2 kicked so much more ass :(
ReplyDeleteMarc said it was discussed that Laurel is kinda crazy. She thinks that's what she needs, and has plenty of that... she's crazy and reckless and i'm sure Roy and Digg will tell her that being that crazy is gonna get her killed. I really found interesting the way the aproached it.
ReplyDeleteI think Laurel accepted Oliver's decision that Roy was not the killer and that's that. I was not talking from a character point of view. It makes sense to put Arsenal and BC together. I was saying that in reference to the acting. CH is a very bad actor and KC though not bad I fail to connect with her. But when she is paired with good actors like Paul Blackthorne or today David Ramsey I tend to like her. It will be difficult for me to sit through CH and KC's acting.
ReplyDeleteI don't think its lame. I think Oliver's story was one of revenge. He wanted to avenge his father and eliminate the people on his list.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile Laurel's story is one of justice. S1 one saw her as a lawyer for the little guy, and season 2 saw her as a DA trying to find justice in a corrupt system. Now in season 3 she sees that she may not find justice playing nice and takes up the mantle of her sister as a vigilante. In theory we can find our "island" or our rock bottom anywhere and having the strength to come back from that is what should make a hero.
I see Laurel as a protector of the little guy preventing run of the mill crime and forging a name for herself. Oliver in turn has a long list of enemies that target Starling city because of him and he has to protect the people from that.
1) The killed Sara who was awesome, and her orgin story was great and made sense (her training, motivations, connection with Cindy, the LoA ect.). Laurel previous "jurney" and motivations ment nothing without her death, so they killed an awesome char to boost a lame one :/
ReplyDelete2) Thea killing Sara was total bs on many many levels: it made Sara look bad, as catching arrows is something even lame Helena did with np :/ (don't get me started on ninja Thea archery master after few months with Merlin!!). The whole "who killed Sara" from the begining of this season was lame as a whole with that resolution!!
3) Laurel had 0 prior motivation of gaining justice outside the law herself!
4) Laurel had 0 prior training! (nope, self defence doesn't count)
5) Am I suppose to believe that after 2 months in a boxing gym she is a master of all martial arts and can handle a bowstaff ?!?!? She has a normal job, it's not like she can train for days at a time like Oliver, Sara, hell even Roy (another miricle training master :/) ?!!? You know that you can't just "take up the mantle of her sister" just by putting on leather :/
6) If drinking some booze and taking a few pills after Tommy's death is Laurels crucible, her 'island' (comparing it to Sara and Oliver) it is super lame!!
I could go on and on....
On a side note, poor captain Lance, he is really clueless lol
Sorry but I just don't 'buy' Laurel, her jurney or whatever. Real street threats right now is way too much for her and realisticly (even for this show lol) she would get her ass kicked even maybe die (that would be nice haha). Ohh well, stil like the show, but lately it just too much bs on screen to swallow :P
ReplyDeletelo he said it's "the storyline that didn't happen." Roy and Laurel would be ridiculous
ReplyDeleteI'm imagining Oliver coming back and throwing a fit like "You shouldn't be out there fighting...blah...blah..blah" and either all of Team Arrow or just one of them (Diggle, Roy, or Felicity) sticking up for her either along the lines of "You think you're going to stop her?" or how she's been helping them out and she's basically part of the team.
ReplyDeleteI'm looking foward for more scenes with Oliver and Maseo.. for the first time I was intrigued with flashbacks. Also, waiting from the great come back of Arrow and everyone's reaction :D
ReplyDeleteI think Oliver was right about Laurel thinking about this as a game without considering the consequences, and she goes out and does completely nuts stuff because she just wants this so badly and doesn't care about the rest. I hope she doesn't wind up being absurdly lucky with some of the stuff she pulls (if what I read about what happens after she jumps out of that window is true, I'm worried she might be). I know she's supposed to struggle a bit, but we'll see.
ReplyDeleteI also hope that she tells Quentin in the next episode, because it makes no sense to me that she's worried that he'll die if he finds out about Sara, but she's not at all worried about him dying if/when he finds out about her vigilante-ing, considering he actually made her promise him she wouldn't do that.
I really haven't cared for Laurel since the beginning of the series, and I still think her rise to BC is stupid, but I really liked her last night in most of her scenes. I hope we get more of that Laurel coming up instead of the one we've been getting for most of the 50-ish episodes before. I'm cautiously optimistic, which is something I didn't think I'd be saying after the mid-season finale.
I think suiting up came more from an impulse than a "i'm prepared". She learned everything her and team arrow's work was going down the toilet, Oliver is dead and Digg and Felicity are out. Then she sees Sara's gear... i don't think she thought about that... she's just reckless.
ReplyDeleteAnd she went for a low street idiot with Sara's Canary Cry. It's ok for her to beat that incompetent man.
I think Quentin will know if not next episode, then in 3x12... That story was dragged because Ramirez wasn't there to shoot and they had to do something with Laurel. On the first bunch of episode she not telling him was an unspoken story.
Oh, I don't think she thinks she's prepared, I definitely think she went out there on impulse because the team seemed to be disbanding. And I'm not commenting on her ability regarding anything she did last night - it was low-level stuff. I just HOPE she's not absurdly lucky with the things she manages to pull off in the next episode (that we're commenting on the preview for) and beyond.
ReplyDeleteWith regards to her not telling Quentin - I'm over it. I think it's a terrible thing to do and her reasoning for not doing it is shoddy and stupid. But that's not something I'm ever going to change my mind on, regardless of when she actually does it, haha.
Can I say worst on Arrow. I like his dry wit though when on rare instances they allow him to do that. His angry face and sad face needs work. The scene with Thea in Corto Maltese wad his best work till date.
ReplyDeleteI won't fight you on worst (well him or De Gouw). But I do really like his dry wit and still any brotherly or team scene he has with Oliver and the others.
ReplyDeleteSo thanks to Colton H. Stephen A. is not the worst actor on Arrow anymore?
ReplyDeleteI like more Caity Lotz
ReplyDeleteWell like I said, it doesn't make any sense for her to say that. So again, it's either a plan or it's Isbloom's cemetery theory. As we discussed, some time ago.
ReplyDeleteBias ? Maybe as I like Caity Lotz way better :) Hate ? Nope, just giving valid reasons :P
ReplyDeleteYou lost cleavage but gained good butt shot ;)
ReplyDeleteI don't mind Jessica De Gouw as an actress. It's just huntress is a very one note character. Where as I love Roy as a character. His obsession with Arrow, his passion to help glades, his dry wit and now in season 3 his bonding with Oliver. The problem is CH bores me in emotional scenes. When they see Sara's body is an example. Also when he learned he killed the cop. Latter was way better. When they learned Thea killed Sara no reaction or sadness on his face. Sadly his character is a broody one. They need to change it to wise cracking energetic one.
ReplyDeleteKatie might not be my type of girl (more into blondes) but hell I have to admit that Katie has a pretty steaming booty
ReplyDeleteI just laughed at that shot. They kept the camera on her butt for quite some time. Super hero genre just can't get over the sexism can they. At least Arrow used to give us shirtless dudes too.
ReplyDeleteI'll address your points then:
ReplyDelete1) personal opinion, nothing wrong with it but yes it counts as bias
2) Sara never expected Thea or that she would kill her. It takes a bit to prep to catch an arrow especiLly when not expecting it. And Thea in season 1 had an archery trophy on her shelf. She's trained before. Not to mention a few months of training (the same Roy had had, and Oliver even less after his first year on the island) with a master like Malcolm is enough to hit a non moving target 8 feet away in the centre.
3) Yes she did (the whole bit with her mom in 3x09, asking Oliver to train her so she could be a vigilante and training in boxing with Ted.)
4) self-defence and boxing, as well as marital arts under Ted counts.
5) she used a sonic device to stun them and built to guys on the ground. Literally all that is, is swinging a staff and hitting someone whose lying on the ground, that's not hard. The producers have repeatedly said that she's still learning, she'll get her ass handed to her and that she's not a hero yet.
6) Personal opinion. Not a objective fact. Again bias.
The ass shot Mac. Made up for it.
ReplyDeleteWait until the episode airs before you make that claim.
ReplyDeleteAmell's quite good as Oliver. He wasn't at first. But his ability to differentiate island Oliver, pre-island Oliver and the Arrow physically and vocally is impressive. Also dude can do some legit emotional acting as Oliver, even if the character is always restrained the pain, anger, sadness or even happiness done by Amell is again pretty damn good at times.
ReplyDeleteWell to be fair about the body Roy barely knew her. I doubt he really knew what to do in that scene.
ReplyDeleteIt's not an actual theory--it's wishful thinking that they wouldn't drag Felicity stupidly and against all consistent characterization into the "let's lie to Lance about Sara's death" plot all while simultaneously having her go back on her, "if it will kill Oliver and Sara, the rest of us don't have a chance, nobody else needs to die" stance by her aiding Laurel in her quest to do the exact opposite of what the show is telling us is a good idea.
ReplyDeleteWell then, I love your wishful thinking. For all the reasons you just said.
ReplyDeleteNo thanks, I'd rather say it now. When the episode airs, it'll probably be worse. I just hope it's a smart plan.
ReplyDeleteI laughed at that too Last night. I thought it was hilarious.
ReplyDeleteYeah, me too. (is there an emoticon for wistful gaze?) I just didn't want you to get your hopes up that it was a legit idea.
ReplyDeleteIt was hilarious. First season it was Oliver's abs, last season it was Sara's girls and this season it is Laurel and Felicity's butt. But never before had they focused this much on one body part. With Oliver and Felicity it is always full body shots.
ReplyDeleteFor mac ;)
time to give us a sneak peek now........
ReplyDeleteAs I said I love Roy as a character. It's just some acting choices that does not resonate with me. He truly looked constipated in that scene :p
ReplyDeleteWell honestly, I'd take that over anything else. Felicity knows Sara is dead, everyone knows Sara is dead. Except for Quentin obviously. I don't need Felicity getting dragged (and blamed) into Laurel's bad decision making on keeping Sara's death a secret from him. She already got her Mother to side with her on that. I Can only IMAGINE how that's gonna go. Team Arrow and Thea, have not told Quentin, b/c it's not their place and out of respect for Laurel. Now what? Felicity's being pulled in to reveal the truth?? Which is just freaking cruel, (knowing that her and Quentin have a pretty good trusting relationship) knowing Sara won't be there. And taking it "amongst herself" to help out Laurel, when it's Laurel who should've done this in the beginning....byyyy herself. Which was the whole point anywaY.You know?? Sooo yeahhh either way you look at it, it doesn't make sense. So i'd rather be it Felicity, and Laurel have a moment, Felicity finds out what she did that night, and spare's her feelings (lightly), and she's all, "You're not the canary. I know where to find the canary. Follow me." BOOM! Graveyard, rude awakening, then idk, they hug it out, Laurel cries, then she goes to tell Quentin. THAT i would be okay with. Then she can go off and "try to save the world". That iI could see.
ReplyDeleteWelp! At least they have something for both the men and women of the fanbase.
ReplyDeleteToo early.
ReplyDeleteMaybe Felicity is not saying this to Lance. But he is declaring it somewhere public so that bad guys may think canary is coming back. As I am typing this I am realizing the ridiculousness of the whole thing. It looks like Team Arrow comes to an agreement about letting Laurel impersonate Sara on the streets and this dialogue is a part of this. I hope they have the courtesy to inform Quentin before this.
ReplyDeleteSEE??? SEEE???? That's my point!! Like I just gave my opinion towards the matter to Isbloom. A little below.
ReplyDeleteHere here!! Personally, one of my favorites, is when he acts with his eyes!! He can give off so many different expressions with just his eyes! You know what he's thinking, saying, asking, with just his eyes and iI love it! And it's subtle when he does it. It's not like in your face type of acting. It comes off natural even though he's acting. He's not over acting, is what iI should say. But yeah, eye acting FTW. LOL
ReplyDeleteWaller: "Chin Nah Wei."
ReplyDeleteOliver: "Whateverrrr."
Hahahahahaha
I really really hope that dialogue is not said to Quentin. It seems almost cruel to do so and from someone like Felicity who is actually going through the death of a loved one. I hope it is done during some motivational speech for Laurel like you said. No need for Felicity to fall in the mess of Lance family saga. When I first heard it I thought it was Laurel who says it. Now I am curious what are they up to?
ReplyDeleteHer saying it to Laurel in a awakening/motivational way. Is the only thing that could make sense. If she said it to Quentin, that would make her look terrible, and it's just downright unnecessary!! Not to mention truly unfair. If she said it to Diggle and Roy, after she had some "talk" with Laurel, (convincing Felicity that her taking Sara's place was the right thing to do) then she'd come off as a total hypocrite. And Felicity is not that person. Sooo that line, i Really hope it's to Laurel. Otherwise, I hope it's cut out of the episode.
ReplyDeleteUh no. Laurel doesn't know who killed Sara. In off screen she was told it wasn't Roy. They don't show everything on the show.
ReplyDeleteI do think this is a part of motivational speech. This must be Laurel /Felicity scene MG was harping about. Nothing else makes sense. Still don't like the dialogue even in that concept. It feels like the season 2 finale scene where Sara saves that child from the burning building and Laurel says she is the canary. And then the cop lady at the precinct. God I forgot how mad I am stil about that. They build Sara up so much in the finale to just kill her off in the captain premiere.
ReplyDeleteReminds of thethe Heavy Metal cheesing episode of South Park. Except in that there was less coverage.
ReplyDeleteWhat did Laurel say at the end. Sounded sassy.
ReplyDeleteUgh!! You know what bothered me about that?? Her name was never fully dropped. I mean people knew OF Sara, but I wanted the name to really get out there, and after Laurel said it, it was like she never said it at all. And I bet it would've if she wasn't killed off so damn quickly.
ReplyDeleteOhhhh a flashback....that.....is interesting. And WHERE TF IS SIN?!?! This is bothering me!!!
HOLY SHIT!! Light bulb!! Maybe Felicity is saying it to Sin?? That could make sense!
Sin is unfortunately coming only in ep13 canaries iirc. I think that is the episode Laurel will get vertigoed, hallucinate Sara and will know it was Thea who killed Sara. I am not sure if Sin has an extended life after that.
ReplyDeleteDammit! I just want to see Sin. I couldn't remember what episode she was coming in. Oh well, guess that's out the window. = /
ReplyDeleteThat was Felicity. They show Laurel when Felicity says Canary. It's a promo gimmick. And Lance always calls Felicity when he wants to know where the Arrow or Canary is.
ReplyDeleteOkay. Jumping the gun but okay.
ReplyDeleteI don't have a problem with Laurel's character, but unless we find out that someone's been spiking her coffee with Mirakuru or that she got struck by a special lightning, then her sudden ability to physically take on the most dangerous of criminals without being killed on the spot is ridiculously implausible, even for a show that brings people back from the dead! It would have made far more sense for Diggle or Roy to take over the major vigilante roles in Oliver's absence. But instead, the writers made them act like they were weak
ReplyDeleteThe point being made was that most fictional superheroes or warriors usually have a plausible origin story (or a supernatural reason) to justify their abilities. Oliver and Sara spent years learning to survive on a dangerous island. Barry got struck by man-made lightning. Bruce Wayne lost his parents and started learning to fight from childhood, Superman was from another planet and Nyssa probably learned to fight before she could walk. But now we have Laurel, recent graduate of self-defense class, soon to be followed by Thea, soon to be followed by ATOM (although the latter will at least have an explanation). It's gradually becoming that show where everyone gets to play superhero or supervillain.
ReplyDeleteOMG NOOOOOOOO!
ReplyDeleteI saw that interview and I don't know what it would be more ridiculous, Roy/Felicity or Roy/Laurel.
I'm glad this storyline is not happening, we don't need love triangles. Love triangles are stupid, they make people do bad things!!!
The fact that she's wearing a costume doesn't mean she's gonna be good instantly. We only saw her beating a guy with a stick after stunning him with the noisy thingy. Roy doesn't have a lot of experience and is managing. They can't send everyone to Lian Yu...
ReplyDeleteI don't think it was out of character for Felicity and Diggle to disband. They've lost the person who brought them together in the first place and they've lost him for the mission. Also, Felicity is in love with Oliver and Diggle probably saw him as a brother, the need for the team is going to bring them back together eventually, but it's understandable that they've lost sense of purpose.
Laurel is far from being good the writer's already confirmed that just because she has a costume doesn't mean she's a hero the last episode just showed her using the Canary Cry on them to stun them and hit them with a pole anyone can do that when they're already on the ground she wasn't even holding it properly. She's going to get the crap beat out of her a lot is what I'm thinking even worse than when she tried to take on that abusive husband.
ReplyDeleteThey're not all disbanded just Felicity Diggle and Roy don't know what they're going to do but given the promo it looks like they're going to have to bring the team back together to save the Glades.
ReplyDeleteMaybe he needs to recover? It's not like he can just go back home right now he needs rest and I don't know if Tatsu will bring him back because from the looks of things she's in hiding or doesn't want to be seen by many people.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure a lot of people are like that too because we're so used to calling her China White.
ReplyDeleteIf you look up the second BC origin story it isn't much different from Laurel's. Most of the crappy stuff happened to her after she donned the suit. The problem was that they made the "original" canary first her sister and then her rival because of Oliver. Also one of the things that set the two canaries apart was the canary cry which in this case is just a disc used by both canaries. I think to properly differentiate the two and the legitimacy of Laurel it would be better for Laurel to become meta like Flash.
ReplyDeleteMaybe with an idea like her getting captured and tortured and unlocking her meta potential which saves. Sort of the opposite of what happened when she was kidnaped in the comics.
What? I'm still calling her China white that's her name. (she still goes by it). I was just pointing out that i loved that flashback scene. Oliver kept butchering her name and Waller gets annoyed correcting him and he's all, who cares!!! lol.
ReplyDeleteWhere's the New Zealand promo??
ReplyDeleteYeah, but he didn't do that much at all a lot of people might not say it right anyway but that's funny I need more funny and sass from Oliver sure the show is dark but it could use a lot more humor.
ReplyDeleteI don't mind it. When he is "funny" with his dry humor, I always catch it and love it. He has a lot of funny moments, i think, it's just subtle. I can wait until for him to be "Green Arrow funny".
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