"I'm Rick Grimes. You have two of my people. Beth and Carol. I'm here to make a proposal."
"Liar."
That second line was obviously in my head as I was watching the promo preceding the episode. We’d seen Rick trying to make peace with a rival group in the previous year’s midseason finale – an attempt that also didn’t end well for the Greene family – and my mind felt obligated to fill in the next line for the inevitable conclusion. I went into the episode braced for a tear-jerker, and it didn't disappoint.
While this scene of Rick attempting to negotiate a peaceful ending mirrored similar attempts to negotiate with the Governor, this was only one of many details that were either call backs to earlier episodes or examples of symmetry within this episode. While the episode was an emotional heartbreaker, there was also a beauty to the construction. There were sets of two throughout the hour, as almost everything seemed to have a pair to offer balance. The episode’s title, Coda, refers to the ending section of a musical composition which is also written to include earlier segments in an effort to create balance. On a side note, visual designers will often try to incorporate elements of symmetry in their creations because the mind the mind perceives it as more attractive.
The episode was artfully constructed to pull together and conclude several threads and give us a tearful farewell to Beth, a character who has been with us since season 2, but whom we barely got to know until the second half of last season. Emily Kinney did an excellent job at selling Beth’s conflict and sacrifice as she was torn between sympathizing with Dawn and recognizing that Dawn had an abusive streak. Beth will be missed, and the reactions to her death from Daryl, Maggie, and the rest of the group were painful.
We didn’t have to wait long before we saw an example of balance. We start the episode with a fantastic scene of two former cops – one fleeing and one pursuing. The rapid movement of Rick’s feet is matched by the rapid scratching as Bob tries to break free from his bindings. The question we were left with last week (is Bob bad?) seemed to be answered in his demeanor and his plea that he had to try to get back because didn’t know them. There’s honesty in what he says. Most of the conflicts arise because the groups don’t know each other and there’s an element of fear and mistrust that all groups must work through first.
Rick says, “You can’t go back Bob,” the same language Gareth used with the other Bob as he held him captive. In Gareth’s case, he was likely talking about going back to being the people they were before the zombie apocalypse changed them. Another twist on this is that the comment that the Governor uttered “liar” to was Rick’s assertion that they could come back.
The hostage exchange, the subject of the episode’s plot, is built around two sets of pairs: two of Dawn’s officers and Beth and Carol. Recent episodes have really strengthened the connections between Beth and Carol. They’ve both overcome perceptions – both their own and from others – of being “weak.” As Beth makes her stand against Dawn, I was brought back to Consumed, where Carol makes it clear that the biggest thing she regrets – the one thing she won’t ever repeat – is doing nothing. She returned back time and again to her abusive husband and she vows that won't sit back and do nothing while people she cares about die. As Dawn’s abusive nature becomes clear to Beth – after she brags that her wards always come back and Beth sees Noah going back – Beth could have walked away. It’s possible Noah wouldn’t have even had to sacrifice himself because Rick seemed determined to protect him, but to walk away would have been doing nothing.
Father Gabriel’s storyline was tied into the others through more parallels. As a parallel to Bob running from Rick, we see that Father Gabriel is also fleeing the group because he doesn’t know them and hasn’t come to trust them. Gabriel goes to the school where Gareth’s group held Bob to see the situation for himself and understand why Rick's group felt they needed to kill Gareth's group. Later, after he’s found evidence and answers, he tells Michonne that he’s not running anymore.
Another example of a call back was Gabriel being shut out of the church as walkers closed in around him. At that moment he must have felt what his parishioners felt, but he was luckier than they were, as the people on the other side of the door were Michonne and Carl. And Carl earlier this season made the argument to Rick that they could help people because they were strong.
Another symbolic element woven throughout the episode was the idea of inside vs. outside. The walkers represent danger, and they are usually outside. The group is continually looking for a place with fences and walls. But Beth felt trapped in the hospital and chose to be free. When given the choice, others – even some of the abused wards – still wanted to stay inside because there was more safety inside. As Dawn pointed out, they always come back.
As the characters gain courage in themselves, their placement is flipped with the walkers. While Gareth’s group was holding Bob hostage, we saw walkers outside the school, pressing against the glass trying to get in. In this episode, we see them inside as Gabriel visits the school, straining to get out. The same switch happens at the church. As Michonne and Carol break the boards to let Gabriel back into the church, the walkers push their way in and their situation is reversed. The walkers are trapped inside and the group is free to leave.
After Dawn is killed, Rick’s group is invited to stay at the hospital. They’re told “surviving” at the hospital is better than being outside, to which Rich responds that it’s not. Again, this is a reversal from his thinking at the prison, when walls and fences were seen as the ideal.
Other callbacks included Beth saying she doesn’t cry anymore, Dawn repeating what Noah said about Bob – that he was one of the good guys – and the fire truck being used again to trap walkers inside.
While the details of this episode were beautifully constructed, I found myself wishing I had seen more of Dawn to come to understand her, as well as Beth's decision, better. Beth seemed to gain clarity on the situation in the moments around Dawn's comment on Noah's return, and while I sort of understand, I feel I could have benefited from more time spent at the hospital. It's a complex psychology of abused captives coming to identify with their captors and returning to their situation. Another regret is that we didn't get a reunion between Maggie and Beth before she was killed, especially given the lack of focus on Beth when Beth was missing.
Other Thoughts:
- Morgan was back again, and for a longer post-episode segment. He’s been following the markers the Termites left on trees, which brought him first to the school, and then to the church where he encountered the map with Abraham’s note to Rick, that the world needs Rick Grimes. I’m curious to hear theories are on why Morgan is following this trail. I’m also hoping the map doesn’t lead him off track, to a detour to Washington, assuming the group is headed in a different direction.- I found this definition of the symbolism of red flags on Wikipedia: “It can be used in various contexts usually as a warning or when things seem too good to be true.” A red flag was shown as Rick met to negotiate the swap of prisoners. The “too good” part certainly fits this context.
- I thought it was a nice twist that the worry we had after the last episode – that Sasha's mistake compromised their plan – was for nothing. It turns out Tyreese's plan was a good one. It fell apart only because Beth decided she needed to kill Dawn.
- I thought Tyreese and Sasha had a nice scene as they talked about how they were when they were kids, and whether they’ve changed.
- I loved watching Michonne cut a path through the walkers with her Katana. Those two should never be parted again.
I really thought Beth's death was a last minute call,i mean all the delevopment all the episodes focused on her just to kill her off in such a sudden and cold way
ReplyDeleteI loved the episode. It was a really good episode and I can't wait for the rest of season 5.
ReplyDeleteReading this summation reminded me of the days when Lost was on and people read too much into what was going on. I was very disappointed in this episode and felt it was very poorly conceived and executed.
ReplyDeleteFirst, to Banana '43's point, I agree that the death seemed like a last minute change. The whole episode was constructed around Dawn killing Beth because of Rick killing Officer Bob. One segment was dedicated to showing Rick killing Bob even though he didn't have to. He wanted to. Then another segment was dedicated to the discussion with the other two officers about how convincing Dawn that Bob had been killed by walkers was going to be a tough sell and she would be suspicious. Then when Rick confronts Dawn, the prolonged reaction shots were there to show Dawn was in fact suspicious. I think the original premise was Dawn kills Beth in retaliation for Bob's death, and Rick has to bear the guilt for that, which would make sense as a storyline. Instead they have Beth making a pointless gesture at the last second and getting killed accidentally, which makes her death pointless. I can't but help see a connection to the way the producers of Star Trek The Next Generation arranged for Denise Crosby to have a pointless death when she kept demanding more star treatment and was planning on leaving for a movie career and they got sick of her. The stories of Kinney being more interested in pursuing a singing career makes me think the Walking Dead producers decided to just get rid of a pain in their butts in the most meaningless way possible.
My other problem was with the scene where Carol awakens in the hospital, followed by an immediate cut to a commercial. Then the next time you see her, she's being pushed in a wheelchair by Beth. They whole Beth/Carol scene, which should have been a highlight of the episode, was just ripped out! Where was the sense in that unless as I speculated above the producers just wanted to make this a quick exit for Kinney.
Lastly, what was with Michonne and Carl closing up the church so that they had no way out???
I'm going to be blunt. When the character was kidnapped last spring I said the story was going to end with her dead because her new "arc" seemed to be more about building Daryl's story rather than Beth's, and it's not much of a story if Beth lives. The fact that she was given a short arc and purpose at the hospital was more than I had expected because Beth's been on the show since season 2 and she had had almost no development until now.
ReplyDeleteI thought it was pretty clear by the expression on her face that the trigger that made her attack Dawn was hearing Dawn talk about how she knew Noah would be back. The psychological factors that made the wards always return to the hospital were the same idea as what Carol was talking about - how she always went back to Ed as an abused wife. Daryl also has suffered abuse.
I wish the show though had been clearer in developing this connection. Beth saw a system that needed to be torn down and made a decision to have a purpose rather than be "just another dead girl." I don't think this was a last-minute change at all. The writing was on the wall when she suddenly started getting more development after 2 1/2 years of virtually nothing.
Same here!
ReplyDeleteI'm sad to see Beth go. She was weak at one point, but over time she grew strong. Not sure Father Gabriel will grow stronger. Tyreese, really strong physically but mentally a weakling. Just kill him now.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the recap.
You knew Beth's death was coming due to the in depth episodes that focused on her. And there was no way to resolve a Beth-Daryl-Carol triangle that would make fans happy without killing off one of them. I just have two qualms about the episode: (1) After all the training that Daryl gave Beth on hunting and survival, why on earth didn't Beth go for Dawn's neck rather than her chest? Surely she knew that a little pair of scissors wouldn't reach the heart! (2) Dawn was really just a power-monger. When she demanded Noah back in "payment" for Beth, what she really wanted was a ward (read slave) that she could boss around. Earlier in the episode you saw where she refused to let Beth be "used" by another officer because they had "lots of work to do" which ended up being nothing (sitting at the elevator shaft). I think Beth snapped because she didn't want Dawn to have her very own indentured servant any more - Beth clearly saw Dawn on her power-trip and knew it would never change as long as Dawn lived.
ReplyDeleteI agree with your statement that she was going to get killed off. In addition to her lack of character development was the lack of interest in her in scenes with Maggie. I can't imagine Maggie being willing to go off to Washington with Glen without so much as mentioning what's going to become of her sister. That seemed to be a serious disconnect.
ReplyDeleteI do disagree with you on the death scene playing out as it was originally conceived. All of the Atlanta scenes were building a story to support a climactic moment between Rick and Dawn over the death of Ofc. Bob, then it went nowhere. This is a glaring problem given the effort that went onto showing how Rick had a choice to help Ofc. Bob but chose to kill him instead. Had Beth died because of that the guilt would have been severe, which is what I suspect the writers originally had in mind.
She did have some development shows, but they had to have them as they couldn't leave her abduction just hanging. More telling was how she was pretty much omitted from Maggie's life until last night.
ReplyDeleteI think they just really wanted to kill off a main character for the mid-season finale. I should have known it would be Beth since she's had more screen-time than normal this season.
ReplyDeleteI just wish Beth had gone out better. Everything would have been fine and nobody had to die - if only Dawn had seen that instead of forcing Noah to stay.
I thought the red flag was just the symbolism for the peace white flag that ends stained with blood at the end on an ambush...
ReplyDeleteI disagree on hospital hostages willingness to come back: it seems obvious to me after the raped girl kidnapping and Dawn's blackmail about Noah that Dawn wouldn't never let her people go and that she has organized their capture back because she has "claimed" them as her slaves, her things...She has sent 3 cops to get Noah back, she threatens Rick's group to get Noah back...he is definitely not going back happily, so did the others
Other then the last five minutes of the episode it was pretty weak. Just like last weak and the one before and before that. This half of the season promised so much in the trailer and nothing ever really happen. Too many stand alone episodes. Too many times the group gets divide and put back together. I for one would of been happy to never learned Beth's fate. Leaving it up for the viewers to decide. The show should be more about Rick and Carl. There are to many cast members. And where they are headed will give us even more cast members. I'm still watch because I'm too invested to stop watching. And I will always love the comics more. But I hope the writer's get a back bone and start killing some off and I don't care if so and so is your favorite. That should not effect a writers frame of mind but it seems it has. I would of loved to see a shoot out at the end of the episode with at least 4 or 5 members being lost to us.
ReplyDeleteI don't think they could have returned Ofc. Bob - what was Rick going to say - "Oh I broke his neck when I hit him with the car." You can't return an injured prisoner where _you_ caused the injury - not with Dawn. To appear to remain in charge she would have to injury either Beth or Carol...
ReplyDeleteI see what you're saying. I'm going to have to disagree with you in that they were building a confrontation over the death of Bob. I had initially thought Bob would run back and warn Dawn, so I was expecting this episode to be them reverting back to Rick's original plan, but without the element of surprise. But I like it when the show zigzags and goes a different direction than what I'm expecting.
ReplyDeleteI'm also feeling grateful that Beth died because she chose to take a stand, rather than because the group mucked things up. I don't think I can take any more of the angst that would have come from that.
They could have returned him, especially since he was going to a hospital where they had been told doctors were at. And Bob even asked to be taken there. Rick made a conscious decision to just kill him instead because "you can't go back", which was the show's theme.
ReplyDeleteI hear you Chris. More Rick drama would be a lot to take, but I disagree with your disagreement. :) Almost a third of the show was focused on convincing Dawn Bob was killed by walkers, and the prolonged reaction shot on Dawn's face had to be for a reason, and I suspect that reason was she originally said BS to Rick's explanation. Why else focus so much on Dawn's reaction?
ReplyDeleteGreat recap once again, Chris. Boy I absolutely love this show, so it's hard for me to admit that I found this episode -- and the hospital arc, overall -- below the (normally awesome) writing standards I've recently begun to expect. Don't get me wrong ... Beth's loss was a huge gut-punch! Also, I love what they're doing with framing this season -- that red flag waving above Rick was fantastic, and WOW that opening quick-cut scene with Officer Bob was powerful in such an upsetting way. I almost found it more upsetting than losing Beth, because it showed just how brutal Rick has become. Another plus has been the music this season. Almost like a lullaby -- what an interesting choice to underlie all these scenes of desolation and savagery. To me it almost represents loss of innocence, further underscored by what happened with our sweet Beth.
ReplyDeleteMy main grumbles have to do with some of the points already mentioned here. I feel like some very savvy characters were made to act in some weirdly boneheaded ways to serve this specific story arc. I feel like the hospital personnel weren't really fleshed out sufficiently, and that the powerful parallel between Dawn/Beth/Noah and Carol/Ed (i.e., aggressor + "ward") could have been played up to enhance the clarity/poignancy of Beth's final choice. It would have helped to have a strong Carol/Beth interaction when Carol woke up. Any theories on why they opted to omit that? I saw some scenes they might have cut to fit it in.
Mostly though, I was really hoping TWD would go "against formula" and let a truly moral/hopeful secondary character shine, then actually keep her around just slightly longer. I hate to admit I saw this death coming a mile away, because it's so consistent with how several prior arcs have played out. I really look forward to those "Sophia moments" that just blindside you completely. Hoping the writers can manage to scramble things up and keep surprising us. Still, though, that final scene was amazingly tough to watch and very well-acted. My heart especially broke for Daryl and Maggie -- though Maggie expressing more feeling as the season went along would have made it much more affecting. RIP Beth -- was SO hoping you'd live to fight another day!
Interesting comments about the flags. You make a good point about the wards leaving, but Dawn didn't say they don't leave or want to leave, she was saying that they come back again. Noah agreeing to stay so quickly seemed to confirm that. I wish the show had explored this aspect more. It is a little muddy.
ReplyDeleteIf Dawn was operating on reason, no one would have died, but she had an abusive side. Her random slaps were a clue that she has issues with needing to have power over other people. I don't think she could turn that off.
ReplyDeleteI agree with your assessment of Dawn. On Beth stabbing Dawn, I think she was just lucky to make contact. She probably hadn't really thought it through.
ReplyDeleteI expect to see more from Gabriel over time. Accepting his new world was a significant first step.
ReplyDeleteHey, after my grumpy review of last week, I can certainly understand that some episodes don't work for some people. ;-)
ReplyDeleteI understand your point about being disappointed that the best adjusted characters are getting killed off. I wasn't as attached to Beth or bob, but Hershel hit hard.
I'm ready for a new chapter. New location, new people, new beginnings.
I think they killed off Beth just to have a boost in the ratings (they dont need it tbh). I keep saying that they have not done a better death than Sophia's back in S2 (at least for me). That one wrecked me tbh. This one let me hating the fact that she could've done so mch more. They could've killed Noah off. But he wasnt and "old" regular so they just killed the girl that was nice and had a heart,. Everybody thought of her dead back in S2 but after such development it' s just really sad to see her go.
ReplyDeleteShe wanted to do something "good" by taking Dawn but damit girl, you should's ve known betetr, thse little siccors werent goona do much damaged at least you go for the neck and still they have time to shoot.
Dont get me wrong i liked the episode but *sighs* they could've done so much more...
Now Daryl is going to be a mess, he will feel like he failed to protect her, he already felt that way now it's going to be worst.
It's always going to bug me how weak Beth's death was. If she had done real damage to Dawn, that would be one thing. Or if Beth had died saving someone's life, that would have made impact. But the pathetic small scissors that really barely even hurt Dawn, that just didn't even work. The whole way Beth went out didn't work for me. They could have come back for Noah. There's always a way. I don't think Beth was thinking clearly and she seemed psychologically messed up from having been there too long with Dawn. But Beth's death just seems so pointless and weak.
ReplyDeleteOkay, Ive been hearing from lots of fans about the reasoning for Beth stabbing Dawn was due to her demanding Noah be swapped for her or her comment about how she knew Noah would come back, but the problem is how do you explain why she had the scissors in the first place? We see the scene where she's getting back into her street clothes and slides the scissors into her cast. What was she planning to do? Dawn had just saved her life, so she wouldn't have been worried about Dawn harming her, and she would have had no idea Noah was even with her old group now. It just doesn't flow.
ReplyDeleteHonestly I didn't think that much about it, considering the environment she's been living in for a while. She seemed to be feeling more sympathetic toward Dawn after the elevator incident, but she was still being held against her will in an environment where people manipulate each other and there were cops like the two she killed raping people. She still presumably had an end goal of escaping with Carol.
ReplyDeleteThis is why I think the show was botched with all the over-finessing of the storyline. The focus should have been more on what was going on at the hospital. What discussion did Beth and Carol have when she woke up? What was Beth told about the deal to swap her and Carol for the officers? What reason would Beth possibly had to want to have a weapon on her? All of that should have been there but it wasn't, mainly because I think the producers did a last minute change to the ending.
ReplyDeleteI still disagree that this seemed like a last-minute change to the ending, but I do agree with your other point that they should have spent longer at the hospital making it clear what was going on. That would have made Beth's decision clearer. My theory is part of the reason this fell short is that they were trying to keep going the question of who the bad guys really were up until the last moment. By bad guys, I mean were they the cops trying to overthrow Dawn, or was Dawn the problem? Beth came to the realization in the final moments that the problem was Dawn, but by not building up more of the backstory, we just had to take her word for it.
ReplyDeleteTwo things. First, if Beth thought Dawn was the problem, why didn't she let the other officer kill her during the fight at the hospital? Second, why would she care who the problem was? She was on her way out the door, and knew she was leaving, so what difference would it make to her who was in charge at the hospital?
ReplyDeleteI don't think she realized that Dawn was the problem until Dawn started bragging that they always come back, and then she saw a beaten Noah coming back. Dawn had appeared sympathetic during the elevator scenes and Beth believed her.
ReplyDeleteI think she could have easily left the hospital and written it off as someone else's problem. But like Carol, she didn't want to feel weak anymore. She didn't want to be "just another dead girl" who had always been someone else's burden. Instead, she was making a stand to protect others. I believed she did it knowing she would probably be killed in the process.
No, you can't make the sibling argument for Merle because he did what he did to try to save Daryl's and everyone else's lives by killing the Governor before he could attack. Dawn wasn't a threat to Maggie, or to any member of the group, so the motivation that Meryl had wasn't there. Also, Beth had matured from her weak Season 2 suicide attempt, so I don't see much justification there either. Once again, the impetus of the conflict was Dawn demanding Noah stay, and there was absolutely no way for Beth to know that would happen or that Noah would even be with Rick, so why the hiding of the scissors and why the attack when by all accounts she should have been more focused on getting back to Maggie, saving Carol, and leaving the hospital behind her?
ReplyDeleteI made the Merle argument because I saw a lot of his motivation being that Merle didn't like who he had become. He couldn't come back, so he sacrificed himself trying to do something good and give his brother a fighting chance. I think Beth didn't like feeling like she was always someone's burden in this new world, and sacrificed herself trying to do something good, and give Noah a fighting chance. I agree that Beth has matured a lot from season 2. My point was that the choice whether to do something that's even borderline suicidal is usually about bigger issues than whether you have a family support system.
ReplyDeleteI don't think think we're going to agree on this, so maybe this would be a good point to agree to disagree?
Who had Merle become? He had been like that all his life, and didn't change post-apocalypse. He went to kill the Governor to save his brother. But, conceding your point, I can't see how you get Meryl sacrificing himself because he hated what he had become with Beth sacrificing herself because she was now a better person. Those mindsets are diametrically opposed to one another.
ReplyDeleteI guess we will have to agree to disagree, but I will say I think about a third of the fans are using a lot of really twisted pretzel logic to make sense of a scene that the other two thirds see as just a really poorly-written story. :)
Who had Merle become? He had been like that all his life, and didn't change post-apocalypse. He went to kill the Governor to save his brother.
ReplyDeleteMerle and Michonne had a conversation in the car in which she gets him to talk about how he's killed 16 people since he joined with the governor, and that he hadn't killed anyone before he went to Woodbury. Merle had brought up the people he'd killed earlier in the episode, so it was obviously weighing on his mind. In his conversation with Michonne, she suggests they go back to the prison and he insists he "can't go back." It's this conversation that changes his mind about turning Michonne over to the governor and sets him on a suicidal path.
To clarify my point on Beth, I by no means am implying that she wanted to die, but I do think her feelings about being not wanting to be a weak girl that everyone has to protect played into her decision. She chose to sacrifice herself to bring down Dawn and end the what Dawn was doing to the wards.
You're free to disagree with the way I saw the episode. Discussion is what these comments sections are for.
He didn't agree to come back he saved many people's lives (including his own probably) by simply doing it...He's sacrificing himself to peace that's why Beth hugged him and why she was so mad at Dawn who threatened peace just for her ego and to prove/validate her dictatorial management's logic
ReplyDeleteI think that Beth felt guilty for having her family/friends come back to save her and free her, at the expense of Noah. Beth wasn't upset or sad or mad when Noah got out, she was happy. She didn't want to have her freedom rely on Noah having to get stuck back at the hospital. When Dawn said, I knew you'd be back ... that was Beth's moment of realization that Dawn needed to go down. She wasn't about to leave the hospital that way. She did what she thought was the right thing to do, unfortunately she died because of it. She stood up for what she believed in. She was honesty, truth, purity. She sacrificed herself to get rid of Dawn and to save the rest of her group.
ReplyDeleteExactly. Noah freed Beth. Therefore she didn't feel that Noah should stay cause if you remember their motto that they leave no one to die and it's their thing to save lives of those who saved theirs. With that said I don't think Beth cared where the scissors went. She knew Dawn was aggressive to try and keep power so she knew by stabbing Dawn the second Dawn were to fight or do something back Beth's gang would take them out. Even the officers weren't phased by Dawn's death. It was Beth's "cosmic justice" to save the life of the one who freed Carol and her. I don't think she expected to die but she knew something would happen to where Dawn would be dead and all the captives would be free. So for sacrificing her life she saved many other lives.
ReplyDeleteNoah freed Beth. Therefore she didn't feel that Noah should stay cause if you remember their motto that they leave no one to die and it's their thing to save lives of those who saved theirs. With that said I don't think Beth cared where the scissors went. She knew Dawn was aggressive to try and keep power so she knew by stabbing Dawn the second Dawn were to fight or do something back Beth's gang would take them out. Even the officers weren't phased by Dawn's death. It was Beth's "cosmic justice" to save the life of the one who freed Carol and her. I don't think she expected to die but she knew something would happen to where Dawn would be dead and all the captives would be free. So for sacrificing her life she saved many other lives.
ReplyDeleteSomeone made a point about Rick telling Officer Bob he can't go back he is in some way telling it to Gareth. And I noticed that when Rick was signaling to Daryl and Sasha he do so in the same way has Gareth.
ReplyDeleteI also thought the hospital personnel weren't fleshed out enough to give us clarity on what was happening and how we should feel about it. Even in the end I was a little confused about Dawn and if she was inherently good or evil. It would have made the death more powerful to understand the dynamics of the hospital better. It was just too hazy.
ReplyDeleteThanks for a great review. All the symbolism and callbacks are fascinating to read. Nice analysis.
ReplyDeleteI was honestly a little confused at two things: the priest's purpose at the school was the first. So thanks for the clarity on that. It makes sense now.
And second, what was going on at the hospital. There was abuse, clearly. But I felt like it was left hazy instead of really making us understand what was going on. I always felt like I didn't understand Dawn - all of the sudden this episode she seemed to have good in her. But then she went back on her word and tried to take Noah, which ticked Beth off. I felt like the hospital plot and Beth's death would have been a lot more effective if they had been clearer about setting up what exactly was going on at the hospital and who Dawn really was. As it was, I couldn't tell who to trust and what was happening half the time. The officers were just weird. I didn't understand why they and Dawn acted the way they did. I felt like the show wanted me to think the whole hospital situation was bad, but I didn't always see it. I wish this had been explored deeper.
Other than that, though, a great episode!
Thanks for the comments. I agree with what you're saying about the events at the hospital being unclear, and I wasn't sure what had happened after the first watch. Adding to the muddle were the big gap in airing in scheduling between Slabtown and Coda, and the fact that the two cops Beth killed really needed to be killed.
ReplyDeleteI struggled on why the particular comment by Dawn (that the wards come back) seemed to tip off Beth. I eventually came to the conclusion I did by thinking more about what was in the previous episodes than what was in this one. Dawn in Slabtown struck me as someone who had an abusive personality - randomly hitting Beth, making comments to cause Beth to feel weak and like she's no one, stressing that Beth owes Dawn and the group. She had scenes where she sounded sympathetic, but my guess is that Ed Peletier had periods of seeming really nice too - it's the combination of all of these factors that keep battered spouses coming back. Dawn's behavior, looking at both episodes, seemed to mirror patterns of abusive spouses.
I struggled w/ Dawn's comment, too, so it's nice to hear your conclusion! Makes a lot more sense when you consider all the previous episodes content. Necessary, in fact. So thanks for that perspective!
ReplyDeleteBlooper? I fins it unlikely that the group wouldn't have an actual doctor in an actual hospital take a look at my people before they head out on the road. And wouldn't Gabriel have been a fine fit at Grady? Dawn is gone, and the other cops weren't insane... yet anyway. This is the first group of decent people we've run across & they can't seem to get away from them faster. I don't think Darabont would have chosen this direction. Just saying.
ReplyDeleteI thought Beth's death makes perfect sense for someone that age: you think you're immortal because parents/older brothers/friends have protected you so far, you're prone to accidents because you just have to take one risk to far, the overconfidence each and every time you just got this tini thing right.
ReplyDeleteBeth no different than 20 year olds that jump off a cliff without knowing how deep is the water, die because they are drunk driving after a party or take a dare that goes horribly wrong.
I thought it was exactly what Carol had been trying to protect Rick and Daryl from: she had felt the pain of losing the one daughter she was trying to protect, and she was trying to spare Rick the pain of losing the very people he was trying to protect, and Daryl the girl he was trying to protect.
ReplyDeleteIn banishing Carol, Rick had to endure the pain to lose Hershel, the prison and now Hershel's younger daughter. In trying to save everyone - cops included - Daryl had to endure the pain of losing Beth.
Bob was damaged goods: the deal would only go sour should Dawn see "one of the good guys" beaten and hurt like dead. He was already dead the moment he refused to stop. Hence why Rick shot him.
ReplyDeleteAs for Beth, she was already living on borrowed time since the prison fell. Have it not been for Maggie, Beth would've died when the Governor attacked. Have it not been for Daryl, Beth wouldn't have made it beyond the country club. Have it not been for Dawn's cop, Beth wouldn't have made it out of the funeral home. Have it not been for Rick, Dawn wouldn't have made it far enough to attack Dawn.
Lets say, Beth does make it. And she reunites with the rest at Gabriel's church: How long would've she survived without Daryl or Maggie? Without Rick or Michonne? Without Tyreese or Abraham?
I feel that would understimate her bond to Noah: Beth fought Dawn for his freedom and she wasn't going to surrender it any more than Rick was going to surrender hers.
ReplyDeleteShe won the battle, but she lost the war.
I think it depends: if what "fans" expected was a "The Vampire Diaries" sort of resolution, then they were never going to get it.
ReplyDeleteFor one, Daryl has no game so he probably wouldn't have known what to do with Beth's advances, Carol is an adult and she probably would've just walked away rather than to start a cat fight, and Beth would've just pushed until she would get what she wanted and then move on to the next man, just like she did with Jimmy & Zack.
You'd probably get more tension from Michonne's reaction to Rick's statement - he owes Carol more [than he owes Michonne] - than you'll get from this "love triangle".
I don't understand what Carol has to do with those things.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that Beth attacked Dawn when she realized Noah was abused by her. The look on Beth's face was all that was needed to understand that. Anyway there were many clues; the constant focus on complementary/duality in this episode is for me a reminder for love between Noah and Beth (I think the author of this blog forgot the scisors). Dawn was stated as "the same" as the bad cops by O Connel and no "better". Dawn always kept Noah close and said he was very clever. Noah said Bob was "one of the good ones", exactly as Dawn stated. But it was certainly wrong according to the end of the previous episode. So certainly at the end of the day Dawn was not on the "good" side... I am very surprized there is no consensus here about the fact that Beth wanted Dawn dead for abusing Noah. Children abuse is certainly a central part of the show lastly. The fact that Daryl killed Dawn is another clue.
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