Supernatural, “Hibbing 911,” was based on a story by the team of Phil Sgriccia and Jenny Klein with Klein writing the screenplay. Sgriccia is better known as a director on the show. The show was directed by Tim Andrew, who’s directed some of my least favorite episodes, including “Season Seven: Time for a Wedding!” I’m increasingly finding that overall the show’s balance of drama and comedy has tipped over into caricature. It’s hard to take a horror show seriously when the characters on the show don’t take it seriously. That said, I did enjoy this episode, mainly because of the performances. I will state that if the CW is really committed to doing a spinoff, Kim Rhodes (Jody Mills) and Brianna Buckmaster (Donna Hanscum) would make for a really, really good choice. The two have terrific chemistry, and both deliver wonderful performances – equally adept at both the comedy and drama. Are you listening CW? More Jody and Donna!
This episode was set in Hibbing, Minnesota by Jenny Klein as a deliberate shout out to Bob Dylan and his ties to that city. Just a few of the Dylan references in the episode include “The Weight” by the Band playing and the farm being on Cripple Creek Road – a reference to another Band song. The Band is Dylan’s band. The vamps got together at Woodstock and are clearly hippies who enjoy folk music. In addition, the “monster” is alluded to as a BOBcat…
However, setting the episode in Hibbing had me comparing the episode to the other episode set in the same town – “The Benders” from season one. In that episode, Sam has gone missing and Dean has to work with the local sheriff to find him. One of the things they rely on is the traffic camera footage. I was always impressed with Jessica Steen’s performance as Officer Kathleen in that episode. She quickly figures out that Dean is not a cop, yet helps him anyway because of her own personal connection to the case. I found myself thinking that that officer and performance would have felt oddly out of place in this episode. One thing I ask myself when a character feels off is whether this character would fit in on another show. The Officer from “The Benders” wouldn’t have felt out of place on Criminal Minds or Flashpoint (which Steen was also in for several years), but I can’t see any of these Sheriffs making an appearance in that universe, with the possible exception of Mills.
It was nice to see them keep the continuity of Alex (Katherine Ramdeen) – the girl that Jody has taken in to raise, and it was nice to see that it seems like it’s continued in a fairly realistic vein. We see Jody checking in with Alex twice, once to express her faith in Alex’s ability not to have a kegger and then once when said kegger might have been in full swing. Regardless, Jody takes it in stride. I loved when Dean (Jensen Ackles) asked how she was doing and Jody says she’s head of the cheerleading squad. Sam (Jared Padalecki) responds with “Wow! Really?” And Jody tells him, “No. She smokes weed under the bleachers, but at least she’s not luring men to their deaths!” It’s always nice to see the brothers’ universe expanded, and while Jody certainly isn’t old enough to be their mother, she is like family.
It’s interesting that Sam didn’t tell Jody when he found Dean – he left her to think Dean was still missing. Is he trying to protect Dean? From embarrassment over what he’d become and done or from anyone thinking Dean was a monster? When the episode opens they are pouring over the Men of Letters library – much to Dean’s displeasure – finding nothing useful on the Mark of Cain. When Jody calls, Dean is desperate to go help. Sam is reluctant – he says because Jody said she didn’t need them, but it seems clear that Sam is still unsure about how the mark is affecting Dean. Dean pulls out the big guns, however, and turns the puppy-eyes on Sam to get his way.
Jody and Donna really don’t hit it off. Jody had always been strong willed and not much of a people person. I think since Bobby’s death, the character has been even more so. Donna is the complete opposite – to the point where she is still a doormat to her ex-husband Doug (Michael Karl Richards). It was perfect that in the “THEN” scene, Dean says, “Doug’s a dick,” to be echoed by Jody saying the same thing in the present. In fact, Donna’s warmness and willing to please, actually do more to get them help with the case. When Donna asks to see the body, she just wants to help out while Jody is seen by Dr Pierson (Ellie Harvie) as a snoopy out of towner. Donna is good at her job.
Donna isn’t without feelings, however. She clearly still has feelings for Doug and takes offense when Jody labels him a dick. In fact, she subtly points out that Alex is also a dick. I loved Rhodes in this scene as she describes trying to raise this teenager. Her joy at having the opportunity to have a family and her obvious love for Alex come through loud and clear. But Donna makes her point – even dicks have their good points, especially when they’re your dicks.
It’s pretty hilarious when Jody finally snaps and tells Doug to stop fat-shaming his ex-wife and that he’s a douche. Unfortunately, Donna doesn’t enjoy it nearly as much as we do. She asks Jody what’s the point? They’re divorced and she’s not going to change him now. Then Donna tells Jody to keep her mouth zipped until she’s lost a husband too. We then flash to “Dead Men Don’t Wear Plaid” – the episode that introduced us to Jody and the Jody to the weird in the world – it’s both a nice way to pay homage to how far Jody’s come and to foreshadow the journey that Donna is about to start on. I did find the tonal shift from this episode to the season five episode a bit jarring, however, for the reasons I’ve already stated. Regardless, Buckmaster also does a lovely job with this scene as she sees that she’s really stepped in it as Rhodes’ face tells the entire story without her having to say a word.
I liked how they teased that Donna suspects that there are things out there – why else would she have been so curious about that first body? But she’s still shocked when she comes across Sheriff Cuse (Fred Ewanuick) over Sheriff Goodhill’s (Marina Pasqua) body. She goes to Jody and she’s clearly freaked out and afraid, but asks, “You ever think there are things out there that don’t end up on the police blotter?” She steps right up with Cuse’s room number, and she doesn’t hesitate to go investigate the room with Jody. It’s there that she learns vampires are real. I loved Dean saying to Jody, “You want to give her the talk?” Clearly passing the torch of experienced hunter.
Sam and Dean’s reunion with Jody is sweet, but it was also nice to see them fondly recognize Donna, even though Dean says she almost blew their case. There is also a terrific scene when Jody has obviously picked up on Dean being troubled and offers to talk any time if he wants to. And maybe that is what he needs – someone other than Sam that he can talk to. All three of them do work hard to protect Donna from learning the truth. Jody takes Donna to the Gear Expo to distract her though she’s not thrilled to be assigned to babysitting. I loved the gun dealer trying to be condescending and both Jody and Donna demonstrating their superior knowledge and expertise. Did anyone else recognize a lot of props from past episodes? Like the orange jump suits from “Folsom Prison Blues”?
Dean and Sam talk to Cuse and Dean and Deputy Graham (Aren Buchholz) get into a pissing match. It’s hilarious watching Dean defend the honor of the FBI! I loved Sam chiding him over being defensive about his pretend job! Dean says the badge means something – what it really means is respect for him! LOL! And Sam points out that he made the badges at Kinkos. Dean then responds, “Yes you did. Be proud of that.” Ackles apparently ad libbed that part. Even so, the brothers note that the Sheriff has lied about the surveillance footage and the Deputy knows it, so Dean goes to talk to him again. Dean promises to speak to his superiors about the Deputy to win him over, and the Deputy tells him the Sheriff changed the password. He assures Dean that the Sheriff is a good guy and had to have his reasons for doing it. I did like that once again, the monsters weren’t strictly speaking black and white.
Dean and Sam don’t want to put Donna any further in harm’s way and tell her to sit this one out. But Donna is through being a doormat and says, “Stuff you, Dean!” I loved Jody’s reaction here and her immediately stepping up to say “Hanscum’s good.” The boys take Jody’s word, and they don’t even suggest that she should sit it out. Dean gives Donna a machete and tells her to swing hard – the head’s gotta come off. There’s a nice re-direct when Sam sees Cuse inside the barn and then Cuse pops up and tells him to run – too late of course.
And now we run into my biggest problem with this episode. The boys don’t think it’s a vampire to begin with because the entire body gets eaten. Vampires DRINK BLOOD – that’s it, that’s all. Eating bodies the way they do would have attracted the attention of hunters a long time ago. Starr (Morgan Taylor Campbell) suckers Jody into giving her money and telling her to go get lunch at the beginning because she no doubt reminded her of Alex – IRONY!!! But Starr doesn’t strike me as stable enough to be the head of her group. Regardless, it’s yet another adjustment to firmly established lore within the show. The blood splatter on the tag to make a smiley face in the opening tag was a classic, but while the blood running out of the dumpster was gross, it was also ridiculously stupid! Remember, Vampires live on BLOOD – it’s like throwing the coffee on the ground and eating the paper cup. I didn’t have an issue with them stealing from the corpses – Vamp-irates remember – but again, that would attract more attention not less.
We do get to see Donna make her first vamp kill as only she and Dean are able to break their bonds. She kills the vamp before the vamp can get Jody – the look on Jody’s face is great, but Donna’s is terrific. I’m betting it’s just the kind of validation that will ensure her days as a doormat is over. I loved how happy Dean was for her as well – and did you catch him wink at her?
Clearly, by the end of the episode Jody and Donna are fast friends – so more of this duo, please? And DO NOT Thelma and Louise them! Like ever!! The final scene is beautifully shot as it cuts back and forth between the two teams de-compressing and checking on each other. The women are at the front of the car – a symbol for being at the beginning of their partnership – and Sam and Dean are in their usual spot by the trunk.
Jodi checks to make sure Donna is ok, and she really is. “I just chopped off a vampire’s head!” And Jody confirms, “Yeah. You were great at that.” Really, what more can you ask for in a friend? Donna says knowing what’s out there makes the world feel bigger and darker, so when Jody offers to give Donna pointers on how to kill what and Donna is in. Jody has clearly stepped up to be the mentor to the new hunter, one that she initiated herself. There are so many ramifications to that, of course. How will Jody feel when the life starts to really affect Donna? I can't wait to find out - and see these two hunting together again.
Meanwhile, Sam asks if Dean is ok. Dean tells him “for the first time since I’ve been back, I didn’t feel like the mark was pushing me.” Sam is worried – and probably rightly so – that Dean hasn’t mentioned this before. But Dean reassures Sam, saying, “All I know is killing those vamps, I felt like me again.” Sam asks cautiously, “So, that’s good, right?” And Dean says, “Yeah.” But is it? Is Dean simply accepting that the bloodlust he’s been attributing to the Mark is really just a part of him? That’s what Crowley said all along – the Mark didn’t do anything to Dean except enhance that darkness that’s always been inside him. And if Dean accepts this, does that mean he won’t fight it anymore? Sam is willing to take Dean’s reassurance that he’s good at face value, but as Dean gets in the car, we see him rubbing his arm like the Mark is hurting him again. Is Dean lying to Sam? To himself? To both of them?
What did you think of the episode? Do you want to see more of Jody and Donna? Are you on board for them to have their own spinoff?! Did you catch the cameo from SE Hinton (The Outsiders author and superfan of Supernatural)? Do you think the Mark is effecting Dean? The promos for next week’s fall finale could indicate that or they could indicate that Dean is having vivid dreams… Let me know your thoughts in the comments below!
Supernatural - Hibbing 911 - Review
Dec 4, 2014
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yea the fact that it turned out to be vampires was like......um...really? Vampires eat ppl now? i didnt like that. They could have used a different monster but was lazy.
ReplyDeleteEven if they'd had them cut al the organs out to sell or something - though not very useful if drained of blood... yeah. Just couldn't get past that... I mean I get that Starr is supposed to be what could have happened to Alex, but they didn't even capitalize on that...
ReplyDeleteI didn't even catch the Alex/Starr connection. It was that obscure.
ReplyDeleteI hated the episode for many reasons, the biggest one being that it was pointless. Neither of the two leads (Jody and Donna) resolved any of their issues. Donna never realized that she doesn't have the strength of mind or willpower to lose the weight she wants to lose and nothing was resolvedabout her feelings for her jerk ex. Jody's situation remained unchanged.
ReplyDeleteI thought the whole point of Donna learning the real reason why she lost the weight was to help push her on the path of learning more about herself.
The last time we saw Jody, we weren't sure what would happen with Alex. Now we know Jody is raising her.
I couldn't tell you right now if Dean is lying or not, whether the Mark is affecting him in any way or not,
Wasn't that why they had him rubbing the mark at the end of the episode?
Other points: I am sick to death of the writers turning every character into an insta-hunter. Itdiminishes the Winchesters, it diminishes the hunting community, and it completely erodes the basic premise of the show; that there are things that go bump in the night, but there is a small off-the-grid community of knowledgeable people that spent the time necessary to gain the skills and knowledge, through great personal sacrifice, to do something about it.
I think if anything diminished the hunting community it was writing most of them as easy kills, or murderers, or unhinged.
Donna isn't a hunter; nor is Jody. Donna got a kill, but she's still not a hunter. I feel like having them remain who they are and Sam and Dean being called in to solve the real problems (and Dean was the main reason they killed the vamps) still shows that the difference.
I used to like Jody, but I don’t like the fact they have turned her into a mother wannabe.
I think we've seen that side of her since Bobby died. If you mean that saying a woman has to be a mother is offensive, I agree, but I think they keep it a small part of her time on the show.
Thanks for the review. I was looking forward to what you had to say.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't have noticed the similar town name to "The Benders" unless fans had pointed it out. I agree that the show has changed a great deal - the first two seasons are very unique and they will likely hold up better than anything since. I'm especially bored with the overused decapitation scenes that seem like cotton candy gore.
Ironically one of the only episodes of recent seasons that reminded me of the earlier years was Jody's last episode (Alexis Annie etc.), which most fans here seemed to hate.
I wasn't that bothered by the vampire changes - I guess I just don't care, and I assumed they were going overboard because they felt protected. The characters were all very one-note, but I did think the guy who played Sheriff Cuse did a terrific job.
I thought the show did a nice job with easing Donna into the supernatural world. Yes, it was a little easy for her to get her kill, but I feel like we get enough of the misery of the hunting life. She and Jody aren't hunters and aren't trying to be, so this feels less forced than when Charlie was a junior hunter.
I have to admit I was wary of Donna returning, because she was mostly written as a joke character and I wasn't sure how that would work this time around. She was still mostly comedic, but there was enough time spent on dramatic moments, ones that seemed familiar and like an ache. I thought the scene where she was talking to Jody about her ex, and how he was a jerk, but he was her jerk, was extremely effective. I also liked that she didn't have some moment at the end where she showed him what for. I think it was more real, somehow.
I was so happy they remembered Alex and had Jody raising her, or trying her best.
I was also happy they had her attempt to talk to Dean. I saw some fans say this destroyed the Sam/Jody bond, but I'm not sure how - Sam would want her to worry about Dean too. That's one of the reasons he called her in the first place.
It’s interesting that Sam didn’t tell Jody when he found Dean – he left her to think Dean was still missing. Is he trying to protect Dean? From embarrassment over what he’d become and done or from anyone thinking Dean was a monster?
I wonder if he just forgot. Or if he was afraid if she asked questions, she'd learn that he died and became a demon, etc. Or he regretted calling her, as she knows so little about their problems (does she even know if they live in the bunker)? I was shocked to learn he'd called her at all, as generally the show acts like the characters do not interact unless they're in an episode together. I like that they'd had Jody learning more about their world the last few years (last season learning about angels and dragons and gods).
I also liked that they continued the Dean and Donna parallels (her splattering the blood and enjoying the kill, just as last season he seemed to connect to her over being lonely and wanting happiness), without overdoing them.
I think what I liked most about this episode was getting to see a team work together and get along. Even with TFW, this rarely happened, as someone was lying, or someone was scowling and being passive-aggressive, and there was endless sour-faced tension because they're manly men and that's what manly men do, blah blah blah.
I enjoyed the episode a lot more than I'd expected to enjoy it. I do agree with you that the balance has tipped over more in the goofy direction than I'd like, but this way of doing it - no crassness, no cheap sex jokes and frat boy hahas - I prefer to some of the other comedy on the show over the years.
Now I just hope they can improve some of the serious episodes.
I can definitely see where you're coming from. I think the show is at the point now - where it's a caricature of itself, that I don't see any way back to what it used to be. And for that reason, I agree, wrap it up. I have no illusions that it can come to any satisfying conclusion at this point, however. I would disagree that anyone can become an insta-hunter. It makes more sense for someone like Donna or Jody to do it because they actually have training - like John was trained by the marines. I don't get the sense that either one of them is going to quit their day jobs to pursue hunting - just that they will be more aware in their own little corner of the world. I also think that this will give Donna the self-confidence she needs to accept herself the way she is and not be a doormat. I really liked that Jody told Doug off for fat-shaming and immediately said that Donna was not fat. And I don't mind Jody in mother-mode because - as the flashback underscored - that's what she was when we met her. I do think they are over-playing her being anti-social and basically a shrew. We are very deep into the season to have no clear idea of what the actual focus is. It's mind boggling how much filler there's been to this point!
ReplyDeleteEwanuick who played Cuse is a terrific Canadian actor - he was in Corner Gas and Dark Angel. And I agree that they did a good job introducing Donna to what's out there. Buckmaster did a great job with the more dramatic nuances, so I'd love to see her come back with a bit more of a hard edge. I had no idea there was backlash against Jody offering to talk to Dean - things that make me roll my eyes. It does make perfect sense to me that Sam would have called Jody when Dean was missing because as law enforcement, she could gain access to missing persons, morgue records, etc. She'd be an excellent source of information. I doubt that they call each other to catch up though!
ReplyDeleteI liked the variety of having another team too. And really they did start out with a lot of tension. I'll stand by wanting to see them really get to work a case together - I'd love to see that - and the effect that each has on the other...
I didn't see the vampires using everything from the body as changing lore, this was just a specific quirk for these vampires. Waste not want not and all that. Also, you gotta remember vampires tend to be nomadic, they kill a few people and move on.
ReplyDeleteAlso, hunters all start as novices for the most part. I mean okay John was a marine, but he also had a 10 year lull from Vietnam to becoming a hunter, I'm sure he wasn't an amazing kill machine from the get go. Same goes with Bobby,he was a mechanic, what about that background says badass killer? Typically the more you do something, the better you can become at it. That complaint is ridiculous imo.
ReplyDeleteThat was just a quirk for this particular nest. Nothing has changed with the vampire lore.
ReplyDeleteI think the Alex/Starr thing is a bit of strange. I mean sure it could have been what happened, but you could say that about anyone that was turned into a vampire. So I don't think there was an intent behind that.
ReplyDeleteWhat is ridiculous is that the show had a need for characters like Ash, Ellen, Bobby, and even Rufus as can be seen by:
ReplyDeleteSugar Daddy Thompson replacing Ash with Charlie
Ellen being poorly replaced by Jody
Bobby being poorly replaced by the village idiot Garth
Rufus being replaced by teen mini-Dean hunter girls and an occasional poorly depicted hunter (Daisy Duke, for instance)
I don't see any way back to what the show used to be either.
ReplyDeleteAs far as insta-hunter:
Charlie went from computer geek in one episode and over a course of…what…four episodes, she is off hunting in another dimension, soon to return as an experienced hunter who calls the brothers in for help on a case (read that as Winchesters are support characters to Charlie).
Jody Mills finds out about the supernatural, moves to helping Sam do some research, moves to a vampire hunt, and quickly moves to agreeing to mentor Donna in hunting the supernatural. That spells hunter to me, maybe confined to her small area, but on-screen, it is in the Winchesters world.
(I did like Jody when it appeared she was going to be somebody Sam made a connection with, and I would not have minded seeing her recur in that role. I actually like Kim Rhodes as an actor, but I don't like having episodes written just to have an excuse to have her back...or in this case, just an excuse to give the Js a week off. I never once wondered how she was doing mothering Alex; not once.)
Donna is now aware of the supernatural and agrees to Jody mentoring her. Expect another Jody/Donna episode next season.
Garth was first introduced as a village idiot first, moved up to a dentist that killed The Tooth Fairy, and quickly promoted to Bobby 2.0 that experienced hunters call upon for help in all hunting matters.
Cole is at a stage yet to be determined; however, he was in one episode, so he is ‘family.’ Cole will be back next year, if not before. (I didn't mind Cole and I wouldn't mind seeing him once a year. Maybe the writers will work him into a poor Rufus substitute, but at least he would make a believable hunter-in-training.)
Many fans seem to think these characters are tests for a spin-off. You even
suggest Jody/Donna, Lisa. IMO, a spin-off cannot work, no matter who they parade through SPN, simply because the success SPN has enjoyed is ONLY because of JA and JP. They are the show. Besides, it is quite apparent that Carver and these writers hate the supernatural genre (or, at the least, have no interest in it). They have continually dumbed down the action, belittled the hunting side of the show, and are forever pushing the soapish “feelings” and exploring relationships and coming-of-age stories (and I point to Bloodlines here). How is that possibly going to work for creating a spin-off of what made SPN successful, even if the characters are recognized from SPN? No way.
What I liked was Dean’s reaction to Jody questioning him about going off the reservation. I thought JA kept Dean very much in character, and it was pretty apparent that Dean would never contact her on his own for any reason, off the reservation or otherwise – hugs and bowl of homemade soup to soothe his soul aside. Dean doesn’t need or want a mother, and nobody will be a substitute Mary for Dean. In that regard, killing off Ellen was a big mistake and Jody is a poor replacement for Ellen’s character for both Sam and Dean…Dean especially.
The problem with it being 'this particular nest' is that the next time we meet vampires, they can do and be anything with just the stroke of a pen. When a story is told without any rules (parameters) being established within which that story is told, it becomes open to viewer interpretation -- that means the story and the writers cannot be trusted. You are interpreting this as being something only attributed to one nest, but others are interpreting it as the rules to a long history of vampire lore has been changed without explanation.
ReplyDeleteTake that one step further into the MoC story. No rules have been established for Dean or Cain having the Mark. Not one fan knows what it does or how it works; therefore, the writers can come up with anything and just say it is....just like they said Dean was a demon because he just was, and now not one fan can tell you if Dean is really cured or not, if the Mark still has an affect on him now that he has been (presumably) cured, or anything else about it, except we know Dean has it on his arm and the only other person to have it is Cain, a demon.
Honestly, though, after the reaper trashing and shapeshifter trashing, nothing about any of the show's lore can be trusted and the viewers just have to go with that.
I thought about writing my own review, but you said basically everything I felt about this episode. So thanks for sparing me the effort.
ReplyDeleteAnd for the record – I loved Alex Annie Alexis Ann and was happy to see some continuity from that episode, though I wish the vampires in this episode were as colorful and developed as the vampires in AAAA. But I understand that they wanted to spend more of the episode on Donna and Jody, which was fine by me. As you pointed out, the elements of Donna's relationship with her ex were both realistic and poignant, and they kept her character from becoming too much of a caricature.
And Jody and Donna bonding through their various relationship issues – Donna with her ex, Jody with her past family and with her current rebellious teenage ex-vampire – was well-done and refreshingly not heavy-handed.
Overall, there was a measure of thoughtfulness and subtlety to this episode that I did not expect from the writer who hit us over the head with parallels in last season's #THINMAN. I would happily watch another episode with this particular hunting team working together, as you say.
"I used to like Jody, but I don’t like the fact they have turned her into a mother wannabe."
ReplyDeleteIf this had come out of nowhere, I would totally agree with you. But she's not really a mother wannabe – she is a mother; that's been true since her first episode. And specifically she's a mother who lost her child. We've seen her move on from her family's death (or try to) from a romantic perspective, with Bobby and even Crowley, but until last season's Alex Annie Alexis Ann episode, we hadn't seen her deal with the "mother" part of her identity beyond her care and concern for the boys. Alex forced Jody to confront that part of herself, and since Alex is in her life now, the reality of her motherhood – and what it looks like now – was naturally fleshed out in this episode.
Jody is one of my favorite supporting characters precisely because she's not pigeonholed into a one-sided identity. Her motherhood is a defining facet of her character, as it should be, but it's not the only facet of her character that we and the boys are privy to, and for a long time it's gone pretty much ignored in favor of her other roles. We finally got to see Jody-as-mother addressed in this episode, along with Jody-as-everything else: sheriff, mentor, widow, hunting partner, disgruntled employee, and compassionate friend.
They are eating people - vampires don't eat people - either they are something different or the writers have changed the lore.
ReplyDeleteAt least the Vampirates were smart about taking people who were thought to be lost at sea. Eating bodies is a complete retcon... and then there's just letting the blood be wasted by letting it flow out of the trash bin...
ReplyDeleteI'm waiting for Jody to die, so fandom will like her and bewail her loss - which is what always happens. Frankly, I never cared for Ellen as she treated Dean in particular with no respect at first. And how did she go from being the "wife" of a hunter who hated the life to being a hunter herself.... I do agree about Garth - hated him from his first episode....
ReplyDeleteFandom already likes Jody. Otherwise she wouldn't have been in 9 episodes. It's just that as always, the most vocal fans hate her as soon as there's a hint of her being any voice beyond a brief blip in the background of Sam and Dean scenes.
ReplyDeleteI don't really see the similarities.
ReplyDeleteBobby replaced Ash as much as Garth replaced Bobby, in terms of being who they called up to get info. Does that mean Bobby was a "poor replacement" for Ash?
Ellen has nothing in common with Jody other than being an older woman.
I don't see how "Daisy Duke" or any teenage girls replaced Rufus. Rufus appeared a few times mostly to support Bobby's storyline and to offer Dean advice. How did any of these other women do that?
I can definitely see where you're coming from. I think the show is at the point now - where it's a caricature of itself, that I don't see any way back to what it used to be. And for that reason, I agree, wrap it up.
ReplyDeleteThe show has been a caricature of itself since season 3. I don't think that's really the problem. The main problem is the show just feeling aimless and burning away most of their supporting cast. If they ever dealt with this, I'd say it could run a while longer, although realistically I think this season or next season will be the end.
Sadly, true.
ReplyDeleteThe poor plotting isn't helping, but if you watch the acting, the conviction is often missing. I think that they've now broken the 4th wall so often, the actors don't believe in their own universe anymore. The lighter lighting is a perfect reflection of the lighter writing and acting on the show...
ReplyDeleteYes, this bothered me too – but mainly because Sam and Dean didn't even seem fazed when Jody and Donna announced it was a vampire. I expected a "Since when do vamps have a hankering for human tartare?"
ReplyDeleteI don't mind quirky monsters, as long as their quirks are addressed as being weird and out of sync with the lore. Because vampires eating bodies is weird. That was one of my only beefs with the episode.
And why did I need to see a whole episode of that and what did it have to do with the Winchesters? Support characters should support a Winchester story or give some insight into one or the other's current feelings, head space, or circumstance. I have not once wondered how Jody's life was going now that she has a teenage foster daughter and how that daughter is doing.
ReplyDeleteAs has been the case since DDean was cured, this was another episode dedicated to a guest actor's story, and that is a major problem I have with the show this season.
I didn't mind it in this episode (probably because I like Jody and am intrigued by her character), but I definitely agree with you that overall the season has been light on Winchester-centric story. I know Claire Novak will be a big deal in the mid-season finale, and presumably after the break, but I hope that doesn't draw too much attention away from Sam and Dean.
ReplyDeleteExcept there usually always is blood splattering when vampires kill on the show. It's something the show does.
ReplyDeleteThese particular vampires. Not all vampires, the show pretty much explained why thy do it.
ReplyDeleteI think Jensen and Jared still care (in many ways I think they care more now than ever, because they know so much is on their shoulders), but I think there's a certain coasting from some in PTB that is very noticeable.
ReplyDeleteSo vampires can eat what they want and are not limited to blood because that's what they HAVE to eat? That's a pretty major change.
ReplyDeleteGood review, though I was not particularly keen on this episode (even it it DID include a sound bite from "The Weigh"t!). For one thing, the Donna character is just too broad (no pun indended for me), and I have ahard time getting past seeing her as a joke version of Marge from the Coen Brothers' Fargo. But the killer (no pun intended) was the serious WTF?? with vampires suddenly eating the entire body--and nobody batting an eye at that fact.
ReplyDeleteEllen and Sam were never close, infact in their last episode together she ignored his presence completely. Jody has been the closest thing Sam has ever to a mother on the show. I disagree abbout Dean not needing a mother, he constantly comes across as a little biy who desperatly needs mothering.
ReplyDeleteThere is deffinatly something in what you're saying here, when Jared talks at conventions and in interviewes he just comes across as tired and bored of the whole thing. He puts in enough effort to still make Sam believable but he doesnt have much to do so that just enough isnt really much of an effort for someone with his talent. I'm increasing seeing a Jared who I believe isnt happy with Carver's vision of Sam, his writing and his lack of respect. Jared even had to ask to be made part of the narrative last season and had to ask the writers for more to do as he's had so much time off in the first 11 episodes of season 9. In regards to season 10 Jared has mentioned that he asked and had to be asured that Sam would get to save Dean and stop being made to look like the bad brother compared to Jensen's Saint Dean who can do no wrong. Jensen had to ask for less of a work load as rightly put season 9 was the most one brother centric/heavy the show has been been. Aparently he asked for less of a work load for season 10 which has resulted in less screen time for him and even less for Jared and yet has turned around and complained that they didnt spend enough time on demon Dean.
ReplyDeleteI've actually stopped putting a lot of stock into the stories of what Jared and Jensen do or don't do - unless I've heard them say it myself. I've heard the same stories attributed to the opposite of what you have here. I attended a lot of conventions in the past few years, and they both say that the workload is very difficult with them having to be in almost every scene. They both have young children now. The made Misha and Mark regulars which you'd think would lighten the load of Jensen and Jared, yet we've hardly seen either Mark or Misha - though both have big story arcs on the horizon.
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty sure the mid season finale and the episode after are all about Dean and the MOC with a side of Cas/Claire and Rowena/Crowley in episode 10 and Charlie in episode 11. My guess based on set pics and spoilers is that at least one of 12/13 will have Crowley/Rowena, one will havee Cas but they may be the smae episode with split storylines again. 14 I think is the Cain one so thats back to Dean centric. Theres going to be more MOC centric episodes between 14 and the end of the season as its the main storyline and they will deal with Cas's storyline and Crowley/Rowena too. But there will be a few MOTW week episodes thrown in to fill in the season and off course another attempt at a spin off is likely. Oh and aparently the retrun of Cole at some point I think before episode 14? There is plently going on for the three main character (Dean, Cas, Crowley) so losing one to Jody and a guest star isnt really that bad when you think about it.
ReplyDeleteMaybe Sam just doesnt feel right about talking to other people about anything, he doesnt really do that when it comes to himself so why talk about other peoples problems with semi friends? Besides Sam and Jody arent that close, their sort of friends but thats all. Also Dean has always shown to be the one who connects to people better and talks to others more often about stuff. Besides it was only a matter of time before the writers realised that Sam may be closer to Jody than Dean is to Jody and sort to rectify the situation. I wonder when Jody will tell us she likes Dean better too?
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