That was a great Part 1 of the three-episode arc. I like how the flashbacks provided insight into why Greer is drawn to Samaritan. The meeting between the Machine and Samaritan via Root and the kid was just as epic as I thought it would be. But I fear one of the characters will die by the time this is over. And I hate that I would have to wait longer than a week to watch Part 2.
Awesome! Finally back story for Greer! Really intense sit down between the AIs! Love the scene where Root holds Lambert, Martine holds Root, and Reese holds Martine at gun point in a Church!
Some fun Bad Robot Stuff: Alias theme of "Double Agent" continues to be a theme here, major parallel to the Nanites in Revolution via "boy" in the role of Samaritan just like Aaron Pittman's experience, The Vending Machine being the door to their layer (nod to Lost and Felicity) + Killing Jacob" (LOST), and maybe a dash of Mission Impossible!)
Great start to the three parter! I'm both excited and incredibly scared for the next two parts (Hope we don't loose Root or Shaw yet, even though on some level I could appreciate the parallel to the previous season).
Good episode. Made Greer surprisingly interesting. The Samaritan's kid was great.
I hate how much they're setting up Shaw's death. I'm at a point where I'll surprised if she doesn't die. I hope no one dies. I just don't think we need a death right now. Except for maybe Greer. He can die. Mostly just because I'd find that oddly satisfying.
Excellent episode, that conversation between Samaritan Vs The Machine was the best part, Amy Acker was great, but the 'creepy' was incredible and creepy.
I think this first episode have the simple task to pull the cards on the table, Samaritan make a mess, just to prove his point and boy, he is very arrogant btw.
The Machine show the human side of his program will definitely count at the end, I hope the system don't choose a free path without the team machine after this war because of all Samaritan said.
Something big is coming, I hope they not kill Shaw or Root.
I'm ok with a episode with less action and more intelectual discussion, POI knows how to balance this both things well this season.
I'm more worried about Root (although there seems be interesting Shaw and Greer parallels now so you could be right). I could easily see a parallel to last season where it would put Shaw and Reese in the same boat by loosing best friends/love interests...but if that happens, I wonder if Shaw would have to become the representative for our machine? I hope no one dies either. I'm not really ready for either of them to go. I just don't know if we're going to be lucky enough to go unscathed in this arc (and the promo for next week with the boys, yikes!)
Amazing episode. Solid and strong set up for the remaining two episodes.
MVP of the episode was Samaritan. Boy, did he deliver. Made all sorts of moves to lure the Machine and make her uncomfortable. Loved the way Samaritan took 'care' of the numbers in his own twisted way and made the city seemingly peaceful. Loved it even more when he let the city descend into chaos. All of this to force the Machine to the table. And not even to negotiate with her but to give an advance warning that it was going to destroy her. The entire scene and conversation between the two avatars was outstanding. The boy was great. Played it perfectly - mixture of creepy and menacing despite the age and cuteness.
Samaritan is bit of a megalomaniac, isn't he? : "I will destroy you" "reshape reality" "firm hand" " I am a God" "So be it" .
Harold ordering food with care and worry. For a second there, I thought he was being so picky about it because of Bear then I remembered Shaw's love for food. I like the show's running gag of showing Shaw wolfing down various types of food from time to time.
Favorite badass/smartass moment - Martine pointing a finger gun at Reese and miming a shot.
Poor Reese spent the episode being late and unable to save people. Hope he gets in on the action in the coming episodes.
Shaw: I am most worried about her now. Will her decison to go top side backfire? Interesting Greer flashbacks. A bit of understanding about his utter lack of belief in human nature.
"Samaritan is bit of a megalomaniac, isn't he? : "I will destroy you" "reshape reality" "firm hand" " I am a God" "So be it" ."
Hahahaha! Favorite comment so far! XD
"Favorite badass/smartass moment - Martine pointing a finger gun at Reese and miming a shot."
No doubt, Martine is a true Badass! --Just wonder if it's foreshadowing events presented in next week's promo?
"The boy was great. Played it perfectly - mixture of creepy and menacing despite the age and cuteness."
Agreed. I never felt the kid who parallels this scene in Revolution was creepy, but the dialogue with this kid, in this scene, was terribly disturbing!
Phenomenal episode. One of the best this series has produced.
Everyone lifted their game. Amy Acker delivered what's probably her best performance in the series, and Michael Emerson was excellent. Ramin Djawadi's score was incredible throughout.
Amanda Segel's writing was also excellent. That's her eleventh episode, and it really did show. Michael Offer's directing was brilliant too - I couldn't believe it was his first episode in charge. The camera angles he employed were excellent.
Loved the graphics too. The incredible detail and effort that goes into each one is unmatched on television.
I'll end the way I started. Phenomenal episode. Bring on Jan 5.
To me it's leaning towards somebody taking a bullet for her & protecting her Reece/Root/Finch are all like you have people that want you to live & care for you etc. I can see it Now Martine/Shaw get into a gun fight & martine gets her at gunpoint & Root jumps in front of her & takes the bullet for Shaw
agreed on the 3 weeks is too long to wait i Kinda wish they hadn't started the Trilogy & left it until the new year & had the 3 parts in the space of 3 weeks
Such a fantastic episode that sets up the war between Samaritan and The Machine perfectly.
The amount of power that Samaritan has just to get The Machine's attention is incredible. It can make crime be erased for a day but it can also cause major chaos and killings the next. It's showing the team and The Machine just how powerful and unstoppable it is and how outmatched they are. Some pretty scary stuff. It has only been online for a only few months and it's already this strong.
The meeting between the two gods was some very intense stuff. And having a young boy as Samaritan's interface was, as Root put it, clever. That kid was scary as hell and Samaritan was not messing around. "I wanted to see inside the mind of a fallen god. This way I can learn from your mistakes". That line gave me chills.
Root pointing a gun Lambert, Martine pointing a gun at Root, and Reese pointing a rifle at the three of them all in a church was like a Mexican standoff XD So cool.
So happy to see Shaw escape from The Subway and help Reese and Root with all the chaos in the city. Seeing her sidelined for most of the episode was understandable considering her cover had been blown, but she needed to get in on the action badly. Just hope that she, or anyone from the team, doesn't die!
The flashbacks of Greer were much needed. It shows us the critical moment where he sets out by himself to create a world that functions as a whole and not as independent pieces. And it looks like he is one step closer to making his ambition becoming a reality. Watching Wall Street about to crumble to pieces with a huge smile on his face.
Harold is right, this is the calm before the storm. All hell is about to break loose in these next two episodes. Can't freaking wait for January 6th!
Awful, yes probably should be awesome, but from the looks of it (i hope i'm completely wrong) the show is at is ending. And the ending would not be happy.
Episode of the season so far! Loved the flashbacks of Greer, the Samaritan/Machine meeting, the church scene with everyone pointing guns at each other like a train, Shaw and Root, Fusco getting closer to finding out about the Machine and even Martine and Lambert!
Not one scene was wasted in this episode. Kudos to the great directing and writing. Cannot wait for episode 2 of the trilogy in January!
Simply fantastic this episode. POI keeps getting better and better, this episode was simply genius. the way the writers outline certain dilemma's is perfect and I really like this
I needed to sleep to sort my thoughts. Yesterday, my first reaction was "Well, that episode was odd". But what was odd? I now know why I thought this. It wasn't just a TV episode, it was like a part of a big movie production. They went deep into mythology without doing much action (very uncommon), but this is something I actually really enjoyed.
The talk between Samaritan and The Machine was so creepy. That little boy.. wow. I really liked what they did there, since Root is an adult woman (like The Machine, she has been raised), while Samaritan is just a little boy, drunk with power and no one ever taught him anything.
This episode clearly was a setup for the two other parts and did its job very well. I'm very excited to see where they take this, what else happened to Greer and how the world reacts to Samaritan going rogue. I guess Team Government won't be too happy!
Maybe someone just needs to give Sumatran a virus....and I'm hoping our machine is smarter than we think, simply because Samaritan is too Hubris .Maybe Harold can build another one or Sumatran will one day change it's perspective/views...or what happens when Samaritan finds Greer useless/expendable?! I think there are a lot of avenues they can still explore for the rest of this and the next season--should we get it.
"I'm clueless how Samaritan can be resolved in two episodes, so I .. really am clueless."
I haven't been keeping tabs on all the spoilers, but is it actually suppose to be?? - I do have one theory (Revolution/LOST parallels) that maybe " A Black Out" could be the answer or part of the answer at some point?!
According to WIKIPEDIA, some of the episode titles after this arc are also interesting! I'll post a link so don't spoil someone who didn't want to be spoiled, but the one right after is probably the most interesting, since it obviously brings a certain character and/or part of a Government, back into the picture, but perhaps only temporally, unless there is like a funky twisted pun on that "command"...
Well don't think finch himself is entirely convinced that AI's have morality and I don't think finch is being fair when he constantly keeps bringning up the congressman about the machines morality and I wish he would let that go
I didn't think they'd resolve Samaritan mid-season but a lot of people were speculating. It sure feels like they're going Samaritan endgame but it doesn't make much sense to me (in a storytelling way)
It would seem strange to me to end the big plot mid season - especially since we don't have a clue what could follow
I agree. It doesn't make much sense to me either. I could see them finding a temp solution and then having it rear it's head again at the end of the season, but trying to resolve something that seems so important to POI's story/mythos in 3 episodes and midseason, seems ridiculous to me also!
Exactly. I guess they'll initiate a new "phase" with a different setting, like re-introducing Control, putting the Machine back to work for the government, support for Team Machine, Samaritan losing it and operating as a non-government organization (a very powerful and dangerous one). The season 4 ending will propably wrap the story up to some degree (which makes me wonder what the true endgame is) and introduce the "endgame". (Somehow I don't think we'll get more than one more full season, but that'd be kinda cool with me if the alternative would be uncertain renewal and axing with a cliff-hanger)
I don't blame him entirely. I agree he's not giving it a chance and is going a little too slippery slope. But to be fair it ordered them to kill someone. That's counter to why Finch designed it, and I get why it's so scary the possibility of the Machine evolving or not adhering to a moral code. Except Finch refuses to give it the benefit of the doubt or even talk to it, which is unfortunate.
I still don't think the machine was ordering them to kill someone but that's how it was either do something about the congressman or Samaritan goes online and something bad will happen. Maybe the machine was just showing them that and was giving them a choice
Wow! That was breathtaking in that non-action kind of way...with that quiet understated intensity but all the time lying underneath is a whole avalanche of chaos just about to unfurl, which I think is done purposefully for the following reason: At a similar point last season (midseason finale), PoI was smashing up it's whole setup in a whirlwind of physical action...guns, sirens, broken bones, bombs & myriad explosions, etc. This season there is a similar mash up taking place but with relatively little physical action, only more a mashing of minds/intellects. Which brings me to the reason why I love this show so much as it has become my No.1 current show: It's ability to meld intelligence with action, plus gorgeous settings & of course top notch action all round. Even the guest stars are mostly phenomenal, for example in this episode's portrayal of a young Greer. Super excited for the next two installments!
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That was a great Part 1 of the three-episode arc. I like how the flashbacks provided insight into why Greer is drawn to Samaritan. The meeting between the Machine and Samaritan via Root and the kid was just as epic as I thought it would be. But I fear one of the characters will die by the time this is over. And I hate that I would have to wait longer than a week to watch Part 2.
ReplyDeleteOakes Mudafuqin Fegley. Great work kid!
ReplyDeleteCute and deadly.
ReplyDeleteAwesome! Finally back story for Greer! Really intense sit down between the AIs! Love the scene where Root holds Lambert, Martine holds Root, and Reese holds Martine at gun point in a Church!
ReplyDeleteSome fun Bad Robot Stuff: Alias theme of "Double Agent" continues to be a theme here, major parallel to the Nanites in Revolution via "boy" in the role of Samaritan just like Aaron Pittman's experience, The Vending Machine being the door to their layer (nod to Lost and Felicity) + Killing Jacob" (LOST), and maybe a dash of Mission Impossible!)
Great start to the three parter! I'm both excited and incredibly scared for the next two parts (Hope we don't loose Root or Shaw yet, even though on some level I could appreciate the parallel to the previous season).
Good episode. Made Greer surprisingly interesting. The Samaritan's kid was great.
ReplyDeleteI hate how much they're setting up Shaw's death. I'm at a point where I'll surprised if she doesn't die. I hope no one dies. I just don't think we need a death right now. Except for maybe Greer. He can die. Mostly just because I'd find that oddly satisfying.
Excellent episode, that conversation between Samaritan Vs The Machine was the best part, Amy Acker was great, but the 'creepy' was incredible and creepy.
ReplyDeleteI think this first episode have the simple task to pull the cards on the table, Samaritan make a mess, just to prove his point and boy, he is very arrogant btw.
The Machine show the human side of his program will definitely count at the end, I hope the system don't choose a free path without the team machine after this war because of all Samaritan said.
Something big is coming, I hope they not kill Shaw or Root.
I'm ok with a episode with less action and more intelectual discussion, POI knows how to balance this both things well this season.
I'm more worried about Root (although there seems be interesting Shaw and Greer parallels now so you could be right). I could easily see a parallel to last season where it would put Shaw and Reese in the same boat by loosing best friends/love interests...but if that happens, I wonder if Shaw would have to become the representative for our machine? I hope no one dies either. I'm not really ready for either of them to go. I just don't know if we're going to be lucky enough to go unscathed in this arc (and the promo for next week with the boys, yikes!)
ReplyDeleteAmazing episode. Solid and strong set up for the remaining two episodes.
ReplyDeleteMVP of the episode was Samaritan. Boy, did he deliver. Made all sorts of moves to lure the Machine and make her uncomfortable. Loved the way Samaritan took 'care' of the numbers in his own twisted way and made the city seemingly peaceful. Loved it even more when he let the city descend into chaos. All of this to force the Machine to the table. And not even to negotiate with her but to give an advance warning that it was going to destroy her. The entire scene and conversation between the two avatars was outstanding. The boy was great. Played it perfectly - mixture of creepy and menacing despite the age and cuteness.
Samaritan is bit of a megalomaniac, isn't he? : "I will destroy you" "reshape reality" "firm hand" " I am a God" "So be it" .
Harold ordering food with care and worry. For a second there, I thought he was being so picky about it because of Bear then I remembered Shaw's love for food. I like the show's running gag of showing Shaw wolfing down various types of food from time to time.
Favorite badass/smartass moment - Martine pointing a finger gun at Reese and miming a shot.
Poor Reese spent the episode being late and unable to save people. Hope he gets in on the action in the coming episodes.
Shaw: I am most worried about her now. Will her decison to go top side backfire?
Interesting Greer flashbacks. A bit of understanding about his utter lack of belief in human nature.
"Samaritan is bit of a megalomaniac, isn't he? : "I will destroy you" "reshape reality" "firm hand" " I am a God" "So be it" ."
ReplyDeleteHahahaha! Favorite comment so far! XD
"Favorite badass/smartass moment - Martine pointing a finger gun at Reese and miming a shot."
No doubt, Martine is a true Badass! --Just wonder if it's foreshadowing events presented in next week's promo?
"The boy was great. Played it perfectly - mixture of creepy and menacing despite the age and cuteness."
Agreed. I never felt the kid who parallels this scene in Revolution was creepy, but the dialogue with this kid, in this scene, was terribly disturbing!
Phenomenal episode. One of the best this series has produced.
ReplyDeleteEveryone lifted their game. Amy Acker delivered what's probably her best performance in the series, and Michael Emerson was excellent. Ramin Djawadi's score was incredible throughout.
Amanda Segel's writing was also excellent. That's her eleventh episode, and it really did show. Michael Offer's directing was brilliant too - I couldn't believe it was his first episode in charge. The camera angles he employed were excellent.
Loved the graphics too. The incredible detail and effort that goes into each one is unmatched on television.
I'll end the way I started. Phenomenal episode. Bring on Jan 5.
Oh boy, this is ending up to be like the trilogy from last season. ANYONE can die now. Three weeks is too long to wait!
ReplyDeleteTo me it's leaning towards somebody taking a bullet for her & protecting her Reece/Root/Finch are all like you have people that want you to live & care for you etc. I can see it Now Martine/Shaw get into a gun fight & martine gets her at gunpoint & Root jumps in front of her & takes the bullet for Shaw
ReplyDeleteagreed on the 3 weeks is too long to wait i Kinda wish they hadn't started the Trilogy & left it until the new year & had the 3 parts in the space of 3 weeks
ReplyDeleteYep very impressive performance. Who knows what his parents were thinking when they gave him that name though.......
ReplyDeleteThat was amazing. Can't wait for the other 2 episodes in the trilogy.
ReplyDeleteSuch a fantastic episode that sets up the war between Samaritan and The Machine perfectly.
ReplyDeleteThe amount of power that Samaritan has just to get The Machine's attention is incredible. It can make crime be erased for a day but it can also cause major chaos and killings the next. It's showing the team and The Machine just how powerful and unstoppable it is and how outmatched they are. Some pretty scary stuff. It has only been online for a only few months and it's already this strong.
The meeting between the two gods was some very intense stuff. And having a young boy as Samaritan's interface was, as Root put it, clever. That kid was scary as hell and Samaritan was not messing around. "I wanted to see inside the mind of a fallen god. This way I can learn from your mistakes". That line gave me chills.
Root pointing a gun Lambert, Martine pointing a gun at Root, and Reese pointing a rifle at the three of them all in a church was like a Mexican standoff XD So cool.
So happy to see Shaw escape from The Subway and help Reese and Root with all the chaos in the city. Seeing her sidelined for most of the episode was understandable considering her cover had been blown, but she needed to get in on the action badly. Just hope that she, or anyone from the team, doesn't die!
The flashbacks of Greer were much needed. It shows us the critical moment where he sets out by himself to create a world that functions as a whole and not as independent pieces. And it looks like he is one step closer to making his ambition becoming a reality. Watching Wall Street about to crumble to pieces with a huge smile on his face.
Harold is right, this is the calm before the storm. All hell is about to break loose in these next two episodes. Can't freaking wait for January 6th!
Well that was awesome.
ReplyDeleteHarold did it. He cared a truly moral AI.
ReplyDeleteAwful, yes probably should be awesome, but from the looks of it (i hope i'm completely wrong) the show is at is ending. And the ending would not be happy.
ReplyDeleteGreat groundwork laying for the upcoming two episodes! This is how you build up a story. Truly a silence before the storm.
ReplyDeleteEpisode of the season so far! Loved the flashbacks of Greer, the Samaritan/Machine meeting, the church scene with everyone pointing guns at each other like a train, Shaw and Root, Fusco getting closer to finding out about the Machine and even Martine and Lambert!
ReplyDeleteNot one scene was wasted in this episode. Kudos to the great directing and writing. Cannot wait for episode 2 of the trilogy in January!
Simply fantastic this episode. POI keeps getting better and better, this episode was simply genius. the way the writers outline certain dilemma's is perfect and I really like this
ReplyDeleteFirst time i googled someone and google couldn't find him! Anyway,he was fantastic indeed!
ReplyDeleteI needed to sleep to sort my thoughts. Yesterday, my first reaction was "Well, that episode was odd". But what was odd? I now know why I thought this. It wasn't just a TV episode, it was like a part of a big movie production. They went deep into mythology without doing much action (very uncommon), but this is something I actually really enjoyed.
ReplyDeleteThe talk between Samaritan and The Machine was so creepy. That little boy.. wow. I really liked what they did there, since Root is an adult woman (like The Machine, she has been raised), while Samaritan is just a little boy, drunk with power and no one ever taught him anything.
This episode clearly was a setup for the two other parts and did its job very well. I'm very excited to see where they take this, what else happened to Greer and how the world reacts to Samaritan going rogue. I guess Team Government won't be too happy!
Maybe someone just needs to give Sumatran a virus....and I'm hoping our machine is smarter than we think, simply because Samaritan is too Hubris .Maybe Harold can build another one or Sumatran will one day change it's perspective/views...or what happens when Samaritan finds Greer useless/expendable?! I think there are a lot of avenues they can still explore for the rest of this and the next season--should we get it.
ReplyDelete"I'm clueless how Samaritan can be resolved in two episodes, so I .. really am clueless."
ReplyDeleteI haven't been keeping tabs on all the spoilers, but is it actually suppose to be?? - I do have one theory (Revolution/LOST parallels) that maybe " A Black Out" could be the answer or part of the answer at some point?!
According to WIKIPEDIA, some of the episode titles after this arc are also interesting! I'll post a link so don't spoil someone who didn't want to be spoiled, but the one right after is probably the most interesting, since it obviously brings a certain character and/or part of a Government, back into the picture, but perhaps only temporally, unless there is like a funky twisted pun on that "command"...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Person_of_Interest_episodes
Well don't think finch himself is entirely convinced that AI's have morality and I don't think finch is being fair when he constantly keeps bringning up the congressman about the machines morality and I wish he would let that go
ReplyDeleteI didn't think they'd resolve Samaritan mid-season but a lot of people were speculating. It sure feels like they're going Samaritan endgame but it doesn't make much sense to me (in a storytelling way)
ReplyDeleteIt would seem strange to me to end the big plot mid season - especially since we don't have a clue what could follow
I agree. It doesn't make much sense to me either. I could see them finding a temp solution and then having it rear it's head again at the end of the season, but trying to resolve something that seems so important to POI's story/mythos in 3 episodes and midseason, seems ridiculous to me also!
ReplyDeleteExactly. I guess they'll initiate a new "phase" with a different setting, like re-introducing Control, putting the Machine back to work for the government, support for Team Machine, Samaritan losing it and operating as a non-government organization (a very powerful and dangerous one).
ReplyDeleteThe season 4 ending will propably wrap the story up to some degree (which makes me wonder what the true endgame is) and introduce the "endgame". (Somehow I don't think we'll get more than one more full season, but that'd be kinda cool with me if the alternative would be uncertain renewal and axing with a cliff-hanger)
I don't blame him entirely. I agree he's not giving it a chance and is going a little too slippery slope. But to be fair it ordered them to kill someone. That's counter to why Finch designed it, and I get why it's so scary the possibility of the Machine evolving or not adhering to a moral code. Except Finch refuses to give it the benefit of the doubt or even talk to it, which is unfortunate.
ReplyDeleteWhich is great. Or terrible. Since that gives it a weakness. Or strength. Depending on you're point of view.
ReplyDeleteI still don't think the machine was ordering them to kill someone but that's how it was either do something about the congressman or Samaritan goes online and something bad will happen. Maybe the machine was just showing them that and was giving them a choice
ReplyDeleteWell it appears that's what Finch believes and I guess we're supposed to as well. I would like to learn that murder was not the intention though.
ReplyDeleteWow! That was breathtaking in that non-action kind of way...with that quiet understated intensity but all the time lying underneath is a whole avalanche of chaos just about to unfurl, which I think is done purposefully for the following reason: At a similar point last season (midseason finale), PoI was smashing up it's whole setup in a whirlwind of physical action...guns, sirens, broken bones, bombs & myriad explosions, etc. This season there is a similar mash up taking place but with relatively little physical action, only more a mashing of minds/intellects.
ReplyDeleteWhich brings me to the reason why I love this show so much as it has become my No.1 current show: It's ability to meld intelligence with action, plus gorgeous settings & of course top notch action all round. Even the guest stars are mostly phenomenal, for example in this episode's portrayal of a young Greer.
Super excited for the next two installments!