Ah!!! They're talking about Caroline on their boy trip that's awesome! and a relief! I love how Damon called Caroline "perfect" like Stefan did a few episodes back. "There are no drawbacks to this woman Stefan!" Alaric: "She slept with you." Damon: " See another plus." LOL that was funny. And yesss Stefan, do what Damon said, date her already and put the group out of their misery. You do think of her that wayk you're just kidding yourself. Give it time. You're also not friends with her anymore, sooo that line, yeahh you're also fooling yourself...atm.
yeah having damon joking about sleeping with caroline is funny! the man abused her and i for one will never not think he didn´t rape her so excuse me for thinking that this is in extremely poor taste and a new low for tvd
If I recall well Damon started compelling Caroline after the first time they slept together? So she slept willingly with him. I DO NOT APPROVE DAMON'S ACTION AFTERWARDS but she was kind of a attention W previous to him compelling her.
Nope from what i saw he did rape her after the first time as you damon stans like to call their first time the only willing time after that he abused her and that has never been addressed on the show and it bothers me so i´ll express that however way i choose to
ALSO if they have to convince stefan to date caroline does he really derserve her?! NOPE he should wanna be with her not have his brother aka her former abuser have to convince him to give her a change.... can´t with this show it´s beyond repair congrats julie you´ve outdone yourself
Ugh, god you're tiresome. You're bringing up the same shit, that people argued about six years ago! for two years! This is why when you ramble about your "Theory" I ignore you, b/c i have nothing to say. He NEVER raped her!! She slept with him willing!! Compelling her to keep her mouth shut, and feeding on her, is not "rape". He never sexually took advantage of her. And the fact that you still think so is laughable!!! Do you really think Caroline would be how she is with him now, if he raped her??? She's saved his life, she argues with him, she jokes with him, etc etc etc, they may not be the "best of buds" but they've had a relationship for years!!! And i for one, will not get dragged into some old age, long passed, "discussion" just b/c YOU have some chip on your shoulder about a Damon/Caroline fling. Damon has proven himself to Caroline over and over again, and everyone's seen it. But you go ahead, i never said you couldn't express yourself, what i said on on the matter was don't address me directly on it and..... LEAVE ME ALONE!! B/c you and i will NEVER agree on the matter.
I seriously don't get what they were trying to achieve with this ship this is annoying if you're a Steroline fan and even more annoying if you're not. and is Damon really going to give Stefan love advice after he stole his gf? thats rich Stefan has become so pathetic, he needs some real Caroline-free story asap
How funny would it be if the Coven was actually there?? LOL like they're just using some freaking spell to be invisible, and they've been there the whole time. LOL Stefan would get so much shit. I would laugh my ass off. Aww man.
So after Delena drama,they have turned their attention to Steroline.Don't they have anything left besides this shipping stuff?Just look at TO at present and take some hint!This is beyond frustrating! What happened to this show?!?
I guess this makes me officialy against Steroline. No, just no. And of course Damon wants Stefan with Caroline, even if he married Elena and Stefan married Caroline, he would still be threatened by Stefan and Elena. He will always be.
I'm also really uncomfortable with Alaric making comments about one of his former student's sex life, that was kinda gross.
Lol, Ric and Damon ribbing Stefan is adorbs. IMO it's sweet to see Damon rooting for Steroline and great to see him finally admit out loud that he knows how awesome Caroline is :) Stefan is in total denial, he loves that girl and I can't wait until he admits it to himself.
That if there isn't more Delena to go with it. That's a great combo for new series lows. I bet we won't even see Bonnie, hers is the only interesting story on the show right now.
What do you think it'll take? Me personally, I want it to be simple. But of course this is TVD and JP has to have her need to turn shit every which way before any fan can be happy with any scenario. (rolls eyes)
IDK! I'd like him to have a simple low-key realization, like he's watching her be happy and enjoying seeing her like that and he suddenly gets it. IMO that'd tie in cutely with Caroline's 4x19 speech about how one day he'd have moved on and fallen madly in love without even realizing it was happening :)
It's a theory and a bit predictable but the theory in my head came up when I heard the Christmas themed episode going to happen. It's clear B and Kai are getting out but someone has to stuck in there. Probably Elena or Caro and some of the witches.
From tumblr sums up everything about steroline "They are so fucking thirsty to launch this ship that they’ve completely lost all of their common sense and resorted to having Caroline’s rapist sell her appeal to his brother. This is why TVD can’t ever be decent again, even with improved story lines. They fall back into the same toxic patterns EVERY SINGLE TIME and alienate everyone who isn’t a stan."
I can't even take seriously Steroline as a ship just because they don't know what to do with Stefan and hey Caroline is available.They ruined a friendship and now I can't even stand their scenes anymore.Let's continue the Delena Drama and ruin everything.Great success!!! They don't even get it how forced this disgusting thing is if Damon and Alaric need to convince Stefan.LOL
I don't even want to think about Liz dying. (I hate that that theory is floating around) That would really break my heart. I just want it to be simple, like she'll ignore him for a while, and he'll just miss her. Orrrrr maybe he'll get all sentimental around Christmas when she's decorating the tree, wants to talk to her, and he takes her under the mistletoe, unknowingly. But nooo, it'll be dramatic. I just hope (however they do it), that Caroline isn't the one to make the first move. I want Stefan to do it.
Well I didn't hear about all that (I don't like too many spoilers). What I know is that Bonnie will still be there in limbo, reminiscing about good times. with Elena and Caroline doing the same. And i already had the feeling Kai was getting out soon. That's about it. (And no that's not me asking for more information). But i don't see Caroline getting sucked in anywhere. That's just me though.
I mean nothing is confirmed but keeping Bonnie in the Limbo would be certainly to much! It's all spoilers. But still I'm sure something will happen to her and keep them apart so he would be her hero.
Are we still on that? I know Damon haters love to bring that up, but the only way it COULD be considered rape would be if he had used compulssion to get her to sleep with him, which he didn't, he only used it to get her to forget he was a vampire, but she wanted to sleep with him, she even flirted with him first. I don't condone what Damon did, it wasn't right, but it wasn't rape either.
Bonnie is present in all the episodes up until episode 10 at least.Just hope they're holding off on those bonnie-kai stuff coz they are spoilery not coz thy are too short.
i really wanna see steroline but that there is the biggest reason i quit this show and wait for steroline everyone seems to forgive everybody for the nasty stuff they have done in real life that dont happen
I´m so digusted by this show i just can´t even DAMON USED her and i believe he raped her Damon fans believe otherwise fine by me but the show/Julie just swept that whole thing under the rug like it never happend because they went to far with Damon and they knew it so their solution was to never talk about it ever again, so yeah i´m disgusted that they are bringing it up in a form of a joke oh haha i slept with her during the time i was using and abusing her so haha yeah she´s good for it man you should give it a go! ugh wtf is this even who writes this!
I feel like you're not laughing, why? that was some comedic gold and a very sweet bromance bonding moment. You know what's even worse, they refer to Damon as a hero now, the same guy who just last season chocked Jeremy because Elena broke up with him (I know it wasn't her but he didn't know that), the same guy they were afraid of what he would do if he found out that Stefan killed Enzo in self defense, when Elena said that her type is over the top heroes I rolled my eyes so hard it still hurts.
But it was abuse (setting aside the rape thing not that anyone will change my mind ever about that)! and by that definition i´m sorry but i cannot understand how one can not think him selling carolines appeal to stefan is disgusting by bringing up the fact that he slept with her during the time he was abusing her!
Ya,it was definitely abuse.TBH,this entire sneak peek is disturbing on so levels and the fact CW thought it would be a good idea to lure audiences by showing this footage is even more unsettling!
All my laughs have dried up after watching this sneak peek.I'm not even sure i would be able to continue until this season's end!And to think i was obsessed with this show in season 1-3.
With that POV everyone has abused someone at one moment or another in this show. Sometimes we just need to remember this is a TV show about vampires, and it will be morally ambiguous and sometimes just plain wrong and disturbing, but if you're going to hold it up to real life standards everything they do will be wrong.
thats not even my point! i know its vampire show what i´m disgusted by is the fact that it´s canon that Damon abused and used Caroline and they have him joking about it trying to convince his brother to go for it because he´s hit that and it was fine! Its so horrible i don´t for the live of me understand how anybody is okey with this!
Hold on a second...That's the basics of a vampire. Feeding on people and erasing their memories, in some legends even seducing people. Seeing from the eyes of a human is totally wrong, but the morals on this show are the morals of vampires which are fundamentally different. We had Katherine doing the exact same thing with Stefan no one even pointed out...Fandom even called Stefan and Katherine''s love pure and brilliant. But when it comes to what Damon did to caroline, everyone suddently becomes humanitarian. Besides, Let's not forget the fact that Caroline is still alive and didn't die because of her soon-to-be-boyfriend's werewolf bite back in season 2 was Damon. Everything's kinda bygones now.
I'm going to be honest with you, I'm not one of those people that watch every Damon/Caroline related scene through rape tainted glasses, so I found it funny. I think it was just suppossed to be a carefree scene with three friends talking about a girl one of them likes. I don't, know, like I said, I just don't see it your way, if I sit down and analize and overthink the situation I guess I could get behind the abuse theory, but it way 6 years ago so I'm not going too, since Caroline doesn't either. There're some things that for me are deal breakers. If this wasn't a fantasy show, but a normal drama show, and I believed one of the main characters abused one of the other main characters I would've stopped watching already, if it bothers you so much, maybe you should do that. What's the point of watching something you don't enjoy?
"When you have a group of people who, for five years, have been begging for one little thing, and you find the perfect way to give it to them, that's called honoring your fans," Plec said. "And I believe [in] that so strongly."- This a direct quote from julie plec in an interview regarding the #Delenarainkiss.
Good to know that she has completely lost it now!!
Hmm. I don't mind a prospective Stefan and Caroline relationship at all but I have to agree with the others: this sneak peek is not good.
What is it with this show always telling us such stuff through other characters mouths (reminds me of Rose pontificating about Damon to Elena when she was with Stefan way back in S2). It seems forced. Don't tell through other character speeches, show through character actions.
lack of story + fan service = definitely the final season I think she knows this. so many TV writers seem to think happy ending is enough for a series. it may work for movies, but when you have a tv show that span multiple years the only thing that works is an EPIC ending. prepare to be disappointed
I know they will force steroline and delena as the end-game couple in the series finale.It's evident as clear as daylight.I have no interest in either of this couple,Lucky me!
I love the fact that Damon and Alaric are for Steroline! The only one who seems reluctant to this idea is actually Stefan! What the hell does he need to see that Caroline is so great?! I have the feeling that somethig bad is going to happen to her and then, BOOM, he will realize that he has feelings for her!
Every single comment I've read of yours is negative and whiny. My advice to you would be that you maybe stop watching this show. You don't seem to gain any enjoyment from it at all and what's the point of entertainment if it's not enjoyable? Unless the enjoyment for you comes from the whining, in which case by all means carry on.
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I find it strange that you choose to believe that Caroline wasn't raped, and yet presumably you're aware that he tried to murder her once she was turned into a vampire. Why are one of these things easier for you to accept?
Caroline woke up in bed, was terrified, and ran for the door. That is not an ambiguous scene. Feel free to believe your own head canon, but the actual show displayed a sexually abusive relationship. Don't expect other people to buy into what you want their history to be instead of the sexual assault that we were shown onscreen.
Actually, sleeping with someone under extremely false pretenses is enough to be considered rape or sexual assault in the courts of law in most countries. For instance, sleeping with someone and then immediately assaulting them would be considered sexual assault instead of a simple assault charge. Not allowing the person to leave after this would also likely be considered an act of sexual assault. These are both examples of 'post facto' events which are legally considered to materially change the llegal nature of the entire sexual encounter.
The jurisprudence should be readily available online for American cases, if you're curious about this and want to read further.
Thank you. There's something really gross about the way the three of them are talking about romancing Caroline as if they're talking about an object that Stefan should consider buying because it's currently available to him at a discount.
IMO it all boils down to this: people who are fans of Stefan have hated Damon for the past 5 years no matter what he's done, good or bad. Now Stefan's romance with Elena is over and they REALLY hate Damon because Elena has chosen him - of her own free will, let's remember. So, I expect the negative, even hate-filled, comments about Damon, Julie and the writers will go on and on. TVD is pure fantasy, not real life; no one is all bad or all good; and everyone has the option to watch the show or not.
Delena is a part of TVD's crappy writing off late,not the sole cause.Like This sneak peek has nothing to do with delena but the scene is disturbing nevertheless.
Umm excuse me. I was happy about the clip, I found it light and enjoyable, then he came along and threw his negativity on it. So I was not the one that replied. I asked nicely for him to not discuss that topic with me b/c he and I would not agree on it ever. And he made it clear that his mind would never change. (Which I accept) so what's done and said, was done and said. Damon tired to kill Caroline b/c at the time she was a threat and he got rid of ALL threats. Every one of those characters have tried to kill someone who was or HAS killed anyone who was a threat on the show. Why is Damon the only one being "outed" for his bad doings?? Give me a break. Caroline and Damon are BEYOND past all of that. And I think it's ridiculous to keep bringing up those situations when ALL the characters have done something worse to one another. ESPECIALLY, when it has nothing to do with the clip.
She woke up "terrified" B/c he FED ON HER, and she didn't know what the hell a vampire was! Nothing more!! YOU can believe your own head canon, and make it more than it was. But it was never rape, and I don't have to bring anyone into "my thinking" b/c that was already planted in ones' head. Just b/c I'm stating the obvious of what never was, does not mean I'm "buying" off anyone.
And btw, he and i Have had a lot of conversations on many different topics, both agreeable, and non agreeable. So you putting in your two cents to try to make a point is pretty moot at this point, when the discussion has been over.
Ehhhh, I have to disagree. On the "whichever way they do it part." That's one thing that's always made me mad about the show. (Well not always but sometimes) like Caroline admitting her feelings, she was fine keeping it closed, until Enzo blew up her spot. I'm still not over that. He did it b/c he was offended by her words, (which I really don't see why b/c it was true! Stefan did team up with his sworn enemy) And then Stefan kinda pushed it out of her. I wanted Caroline to tell him on his own, b/c she was struggling with it, she at least owed that much. I hope that when he feelings for her are revealed it'll come from HIM and no one else. Not Damon, not Alaric, not Lexi in some way shape or form, but from Stefan alone! A nice heart to heart like they had at the hospital, or the one they had in the back of the car when they were laying down.
"Feeding on people and erasing the memories" is not the basics of a vampire. Feeding on people is, but because earlier vampire fiction focused on female victims, their lack of memory was generally attributed to trauma. Contrast Dracula's Harker, who has a considerable amount of memory about the events he experience, with Lucy and Mina, who have no idea what's going on while they are being victimized. Once Lucy figures it out, Dracula attempts to hold her in his thrall, but this is different than memory erasure.
Ideas of hypnotism and female hysteria were extremely popular in the fin de siecle period. Emblified in literature by the titular Dracula and Trilby's Svengali, and in science by Freud's Studies in Hysteria case study about Frau von N. The idea of vampires holding people in thrall is chiefly rooted in this period, and subsequent interpretations which use Dracula as their chief inspiration. Previous literary efforts (Carmilla, Varney the Vampire) involved sleeping victims (a thread which Dracula somewhat maintained) while The Vampyre's Lord Ruthven relied entirely on his charisma and manipulation (although that story intentionally left out the gory details, instead focusing on psychological factors.)
Vampires that you see on television are literary, not mythological. While there are certainly vampires that exist in folklore, as well as vampiric myths in most cultures, they are not related to what you see on screen. The actual 'vampire' myth from ancient Europe depicted Vampires as the malevolent dead brought back as bloated, decaying corpses and usually did not have fangs. They were not mindless, but they were not exactly complicated psychological creatures either. The modern vampire is taken from the 19th century works that I've cited above, along with Lugosi's Dracula.
I fear that something bad would happen to her just to make Stefan realize it. He already said she was pretty much perfect what more does he need? I do however, would love to see Caroline go dark this season, THAT would be fun to watch. For a little while.
TO is so good right now. Given the manner in which Plec's work has shaken out, it seems clear that she needs a strong creative partner to keep her in line. We're not getting that on TVD, but we are on TO, which got better the farther away it was removed from Plec's original vision.
I was ok with how Caroline's feelings came out bc IMO she/they needed that push or things might never have moved forward lol. But ITA about wanting Stefan to admit to his feelings on his own. People have tried telling him, now it's time for Stefan to figure things out and make his move ;) And OMG don't mention the car scene!!! Love that sooo much, 1 of their best ever scenes together IMO :)
Bc god knows, if there's one thing the world need more of, it's a male perspective on things?! There's such a shortage on that!!! Gosh I don't know why they put us silly women in charge of shows at all!!!
Pftt! That scene is in my top 5 (not sure which number tho) favorite steroline moments. lol I'm up right now. (can't sleep been up for 4 hrs it's 5:03am) watching recent Steroline fanmade vids. There's some good ones, (after this past episode of course) my feels are all over the place. lol can't wait for tonight. I hope today goes by fast.
You misunderstood me completely!I said in this case,Julie worked so wellwith kevin back in season 1 & 2,And now in TO,with michael narducci.She is going completely overboard with fan pleas and pandering in TVD now that she and caroline are running it.It was directed against julie Based on the facts and results for all of us to see.I had never intended it to be a generalized comment against women.I respect them more than anything.
Caroline arranged for this whole event and considering he just outed her in front of stefan,i can't blame her for not including enzo in the guest list!She's still pissed,i assume.And yes,he is clearly into her,it couldn't be more clear.Seems like someone needs to out him in front of caroline!LOL!
I am saying what i'm seeing.TVD went downhill right after kevin williamson exit the show.The result is in front of everyone to see.It's not about who does the job better-man or woman.I believe it depends on the person,irrespective of sex.I didn't mean to offend anyone.
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yes lets damon tell stefan all about sleeping with caroline because that wasn´t rape at all! this effin show
ReplyDeletecan't wait for the episode
ReplyDeleteHilarious! Should be a fun episode! Carfan drama, Gemini coven stuff and awkward Thanksgiving! Win Win double Win.
ReplyDeleteBut now I'm even more convinced that Stefan will have to loose Caroline to the limbo so he could realize he luvs her!
Ah!!! They're talking about Caroline on their boy trip that's awesome! and a relief! I love how Damon called Caroline "perfect" like Stefan did a few episodes back. "There are no drawbacks to this woman Stefan!" Alaric: "She slept with you." Damon: " See another plus." LOL that was funny. And yesss Stefan, do what Damon said, date her already and put the group out of their misery. You do think of her that wayk you're just kidding yourself. Give it time. You're also not friends with her anymore, sooo that line, yeahh you're also fooling yourself...atm.
ReplyDeleteyeah having damon joking about sleeping with caroline is funny! the man abused her and i for one will never not think he didn´t rape her so excuse me for thinking that this is in extremely poor taste and a new low for tvd
ReplyDeleteThank You Alaric and Damon
ReplyDeleteThey're totally for it. hahaha
ReplyDeleteHE NEVER RAPED HER! GET OFF THAT ALREADY! And get off my back about it! W/e!! Keep it to yourself. Think what you want, but don't address it on me.
ReplyDeleteIf I recall well Damon started compelling Caroline after the first time they slept together? So she slept willingly with him. I DO NOT APPROVE DAMON'S ACTION AFTERWARDS but she was kind of a attention W previous to him compelling her.
ReplyDeleteso rape is okey if the girl is attention whore WOW! and so she said yes once does that then mean that he has the rights to her after that! okey then
ReplyDeleteNope from what i saw he did rape her after the first time as you damon stans like to call their first time the only willing time after that he abused her and that has never been addressed on the show and it bothers me so i´ll express that however way i choose to
ReplyDeleteDon't twist my words. I meant she slept with him cause she was an AW not that she deserved to be compelled for his games cause she was an AW.
ReplyDeleteOh, great. Another group of nomad witches because the damn Travelers weren't enough.
ReplyDeleteALSO if they have to convince stefan to date caroline does he really derserve her?! NOPE he should wanna be with her not have his brother aka her former abuser have to convince him to give her a change.... can´t with this show it´s beyond repair congrats julie you´ve outdone yourself
ReplyDeleteUgh, god you're tiresome. You're bringing up the same shit, that people argued about six years ago! for two years! This is why when you ramble about your "Theory" I ignore you, b/c i have nothing to say. He NEVER raped her!! She slept with him willing!! Compelling her to keep her mouth shut, and feeding on her, is not "rape". He never sexually took advantage of her. And the fact that you still think so is laughable!!! Do you really think Caroline would be how she is with him now, if he raped her??? She's saved his life, she argues with him, she jokes with him, etc etc etc, they may not be the "best of buds" but they've had a relationship for years!!! And i for one, will not get dragged into some old age, long passed, "discussion" just b/c YOU have some chip on your shoulder about a Damon/Caroline fling. Damon has proven himself to Caroline over and over again, and everyone's seen it. But you go ahead, i never said you couldn't express yourself, what i said on on the matter was don't address me directly on it and..... LEAVE ME ALONE!! B/c you and i will NEVER agree on the matter.
ReplyDeleteI seriously don't get what they were trying to achieve with this ship
ReplyDeletethis is annoying if you're a Steroline fan and even more annoying if you're not.
and is Damon really going to give Stefan love advice after he stole his gf? thats rich
Stefan has become so pathetic, he needs some real Caroline-free story asap
How funny would it be if the Coven was actually there?? LOL like they're just using some freaking spell to be invisible, and they've been there the whole time. LOL Stefan would get so much shit. I would laugh my ass off. Aww man.
ReplyDeleteSo after Delena drama,they have turned their attention to Steroline.Don't they have anything left besides this shipping stuff?Just look at TO at present and take some hint!This is beyond frustrating!
ReplyDeleteWhat happened to this show?!?
I guess this makes me officialy against Steroline. No, just no. And of course Damon wants Stefan with Caroline, even if he married Elena and Stefan married Caroline, he would still be threatened by Stefan and Elena. He will always be.
ReplyDeleteI'm also really uncomfortable with Alaric making comments about one of his former student's sex life, that was kinda gross.
Lol, Ric and Damon ribbing Stefan is adorbs. IMO it's sweet to see Damon rooting for Steroline and great to see him finally admit out loud that he knows how awesome Caroline is :) Stefan is in total denial, he loves that girl and I can't wait until he admits it to himself.
ReplyDeleteThat if there isn't more Delena to go with it. That's a great combo for new series lows. I bet we won't even see Bonnie, hers is the only interesting story on the show right now.
ReplyDeletelose* And where did you come up with that theory? A few people have said that, and i have to give the = / face. lol
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think it'll take? Me personally, I want it to be simple. But of course this is TVD and JP has to have her need to turn shit every which way before any fan can be happy with any scenario. (rolls eyes)
ReplyDeleteLove it. Bromance is the best part of the show. Where is Enzo?
ReplyDeleteIDK! I'd like him to have a simple low-key realization, like he's watching her be happy and enjoying seeing her like that and he suddenly gets it. IMO that'd tie in cutely with Caroline's 4x19 speech about how one day he'd have moved on and fallen madly in love without even realizing it was happening :)
ReplyDeleteIt's a theory and a bit predictable but the theory in my head came up when I heard the Christmas themed episode going to happen. It's clear B and Kai are getting out but someone has to stuck in there. Probably Elena or Caro and some of the witches.
ReplyDeleteActually that would be pretty funny.
ReplyDeleteOh great.After Stefan became a Delena fan now it's time for Damon to be a Steroline fan.
ReplyDeleteSomeone put Julie Plec out of her misery.Seriously!
From tumblr sums up everything about steroline "They are so fucking thirsty to launch this ship that they’ve completely lost all of their common sense and resorted to having Caroline’s rapist sell her appeal to his brother. This is why TVD can’t ever be decent again, even with improved story lines. They fall back into the same toxic patterns EVERY SINGLE TIME and alienate everyone who isn’t a stan."
ReplyDeleteI can't even take seriously Steroline as a ship just because they don't know what to do with Stefan and hey Caroline is available.They ruined a friendship and now I can't even stand their scenes anymore.Let's continue the Delena Drama and ruin everything.Great success!!!
ReplyDeleteThey don't even get it how forced this disgusting thing is if Damon and Alaric need to convince Stefan.LOL
lol.... he's got Bonnie's bear in his backpack
ReplyDeleteI don't even want to think about Liz dying. (I hate that that theory is floating around) That would really break my heart. I just want it to be simple, like she'll ignore him for a while, and he'll just miss her. Orrrrr maybe he'll get all sentimental around Christmas when she's decorating the tree, wants to talk to her, and he takes her under the mistletoe, unknowingly. But nooo, it'll be dramatic. I just hope (however they do it), that Caroline isn't the one to make the first move. I want Stefan to do it.
ReplyDeleteWell I didn't hear about all that (I don't like too many spoilers). What I know is that Bonnie will still be there in limbo, reminiscing about good times. with Elena and Caroline doing the same. And i already had the feeling Kai was getting out soon. That's about it. (And no that's not me asking for more information). But i don't see Caroline getting sucked in anywhere. That's just me though.
ReplyDeleteI didn't even see that, but it has the magic in it, so it makes sense for him to have it.
ReplyDeleteI mean nothing is confirmed but keeping Bonnie in the Limbo would be certainly to much! It's all spoilers. But still I'm sure something will happen to her and keep them apart so he would be her hero.
ReplyDeleteWe need to hold a competition and see which anti shippers have the most numbers on this website.
ReplyDeleteAnti Steroline vs Anti Captain Swan. It would be a bloodbath.
He is absent in this episode.He will be in the next one.
ReplyDeleteAre we still on that? I know Damon haters love to bring that up, but the only way it COULD be considered rape would be if he had used compulssion to get her to sleep with him, which he didn't, he only used it to get her to forget he was a vampire, but she wanted to sleep with him, she even flirted with him first. I don't condone what Damon did, it wasn't right, but it wasn't rape either.
ReplyDeleteBonnie is present in all the episodes up until episode 10 at least.Just hope they're holding off on those bonnie-kai stuff coz they are spoilery not coz thy are too short.
ReplyDeleteThat wasn't creepy at all, Damon joking about what he did to her and using it as a plus, NOT AT ALL creepy and disgusting. Nope.
ReplyDeleteThis show has moved beyond offensive now.It's just sad and pathetic!
ReplyDeleteI agree on this part.I re-watched the scene,it wasn't right from any POV or circumstance but it wasn't rape by definition or intent!
ReplyDeletei really wanna see steroline but that there is the biggest reason i quit this show and wait for steroline everyone seems to forgive everybody for the nasty stuff they have done in real life that dont happen
ReplyDeleteI´m so digusted by this show i just can´t even DAMON USED her and i believe he raped her Damon fans believe otherwise fine by me but the show/Julie just swept that whole thing under the rug like it never happend because they went to far with Damon and they knew it so their solution was to never talk about it ever again, so yeah i´m disgusted that they are bringing it up in a form of a joke oh haha i slept with her during the time i was using and abusing her so haha yeah she´s good for it man you should give it a go! ugh wtf is this even who writes this!
ReplyDeleteI feel like you're not laughing, why? that was some comedic gold and a very sweet bromance bonding moment.
ReplyDeleteYou know what's even worse, they refer to Damon as a hero now, the same guy who just last season chocked Jeremy because Elena broke up with him (I know it wasn't her but he didn't know that), the same guy they were afraid of what he would do if he found out that Stefan killed Enzo in self defense, when Elena said that her type is over the top heroes I rolled my eyes so hard it still hurts.
But it was abuse (setting aside the rape thing not that anyone will change my mind ever about that)! and by that definition i´m sorry but i cannot understand how one can not think him selling carolines appeal to stefan is disgusting by bringing up the fact that he slept with her during the time he was abusing her!
ReplyDeleteWhat is it that you call abuse? him feeding on her and then compelling her to forget?
ReplyDeleteYa,it was definitely abuse.TBH,this entire sneak peek is disturbing on so levels and the fact CW thought it would be a good idea to lure audiences by showing this footage is even more unsettling!
ReplyDeletei think from that bedroom scene that he didn´t just gently take her blood and sooth her to forget! so yeah he abused and used her!
ReplyDeletei just can´t i don´t think i´ve ever been more upset at a fucking tv show ever no seriously ever!
ReplyDeleteAll my laughs have dried up after watching this sneak peek.I'm not even sure i would be able to continue until this season's end!And to think i was obsessed with this show in season 1-3.
ReplyDeleteWith that POV everyone has abused someone at one moment or another in this show. Sometimes we just need to remember this is a TV show about vampires, and it will be morally ambiguous and sometimes just plain wrong and disturbing, but if you're going to hold it up to real life standards everything they do will be wrong.
ReplyDeletethats not even my point! i know its vampire show what i´m disgusted by is the fact that it´s canon that Damon abused and used Caroline and they have him joking about it trying to convince his brother to go for it because he´s hit that and it was fine! Its so horrible i don´t for the live of me understand how anybody is okey with this!
ReplyDeleteHold on a second...That's the basics of a vampire. Feeding on people and erasing their memories, in some legends even seducing people. Seeing from the eyes of a human is totally wrong, but the morals on this show are the morals of vampires which are fundamentally different. We had Katherine doing the exact same thing with Stefan no one even pointed out...Fandom even called Stefan and Katherine''s love pure and brilliant. But when it comes to what Damon did to caroline, everyone suddently becomes humanitarian.
ReplyDeleteBesides, Let's not forget the fact that Caroline is still alive and didn't die because of her soon-to-be-boyfriend's werewolf bite back in season 2 was Damon. Everything's kinda bygones now.
I'm going to be honest with you, I'm not one of those people that watch every Damon/Caroline related scene through rape tainted glasses, so I found it funny. I think it was just suppossed to be a carefree scene with three friends talking about a girl one of them likes. I don't, know, like I said, I just don't see it your way, if I sit down and analize and overthink the situation I guess I could get behind the abuse theory, but it way 6 years ago so I'm not going too, since Caroline doesn't either. There're some things that for me are deal breakers. If this wasn't a fantasy show, but a normal drama show, and I believed one of the main characters abused one of the other main characters I would've stopped watching already, if it bothers you so much, maybe you should do that. What's the point of watching something you don't enjoy?
ReplyDelete"When you have a group of people who, for five years, have been begging
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that's called honoring your fans," Plec said. "And I believe [in] that
so strongly."- This a direct quote from julie plec in an interview regarding the #Delenarainkiss.
Good to know that she has completely lost it now!!
Hmm. I don't mind a prospective Stefan and Caroline relationship at all but I have to agree with the others: this sneak peek is not good.
ReplyDeleteWhat is it with this show always telling us such stuff through other characters mouths (reminds me of Rose pontificating about Damon to Elena when she was with Stefan way back in S2). It seems forced. Don't tell through other character speeches, show through character actions.
WTH? There goes writer credibility. I can see it landing on that comet.
ReplyDeleteShe once wrote episodes like-2.19~Klaus.How the mighty have fallen!Sigh!
ReplyDeletelack of story + fan service = definitely the final season
ReplyDeleteI think she knows this. so many TV writers seem to think happy ending is enough for a series. it may work for movies, but when you have a tv show that span multiple years the only thing that works is an EPIC ending. prepare to be disappointed
I know they will force steroline and delena as the end-game couple in the series finale.It's evident as clear as daylight.I have no interest in either of this couple,Lucky me!
ReplyDeletewait what?? Who's he? Are you talking about Damon?
ReplyDeletei picture Stefan and Caroline kissing and i just can't. it's just not right.its like a brother kissing his sister imo.
ReplyDeleteNoooo. The last sentence is about Steroline. ^_^
ReplyDeleteI love the fact that Damon and Alaric are for Steroline! The only one who seems reluctant to this idea is actually Stefan! What the hell does he need to see that Caroline is so great?! I have the feeling that somethig bad is going to happen to her and then, BOOM, he will realize that he has feelings for her!
ReplyDeleteohhh, lmao!! sorry, brainfart. = p
ReplyDeleteEvery single comment I've read of yours is negative and whiny. My advice to you would be that you maybe stop watching this show. You don't seem to gain any enjoyment from it at all and what's the point of entertainment if it's not enjoyable? Unless the enjoyment for you comes from the whining, in which case by all means carry on.
ReplyDeleteThis show is nothing but romance storylines. Literally. There is nothing else happening. Ever.
ReplyDeleteYep, it totally needs to come from Stefan, that's for sure. Whichever way they have him admit it tho I just can't wait for it to finally happen!!! :)
ReplyDeleteIf you do not wish people to reply to you in comments, you do not need to comment. Otherwise, expect people to respond to you as they wish.
ReplyDeleteI find it strange that you choose to believe that Caroline wasn't raped, and yet presumably you're aware that he tried to murder her once she was turned into a vampire. Why are one of these things easier for you to accept?
Caroline woke up in bed, was terrified, and ran for the door. That is not an ambiguous scene. Feel free to believe your own head canon, but the actual show displayed a sexually abusive relationship. Don't expect other people to buy into what you want their history to be instead of the sexual assault that we were shown onscreen.
Actually, sleeping with someone under extremely false pretenses is enough to be considered rape or sexual assault in the courts of law in most countries. For instance, sleeping with someone and then immediately assaulting them would be considered sexual assault instead of a simple assault charge. Not allowing the person to leave after this would also likely be considered an act of sexual assault. These are both examples of 'post facto' events which are legally considered to materially change the llegal nature of the entire sexual encounter.
ReplyDeleteThe jurisprudence should be readily available online for American cases, if you're curious about this and want to read further.
Thank you. There's something really gross about the way the three of them are talking about romancing Caroline as if they're talking about an object that Stefan should consider buying because it's currently available to him at a discount.
ReplyDeleteIMO it all boils down to this: people who are fans of Stefan have hated Damon for the past 5 years no matter what he's done, good or bad. Now Stefan's romance with Elena is over and they REALLY hate Damon because Elena has chosen him - of her own free will, let's remember. So, I expect the negative, even hate-filled, comments about Damon, Julie and the writers will go on and on. TVD is pure fantasy, not real life; no one is all bad or all good; and everyone has the option to watch the show or not.
ReplyDeleteWhat's even worse is that alaric is participating in this gross conversation.He is lika a parent to elena and caroline is elena's BFF.Yuck!
ReplyDeleteDelena is a part of TVD's crappy writing off late,not the sole cause.Like This sneak peek has nothing to do with delena but the scene is disturbing nevertheless.
ReplyDeleteUmm excuse me. I was happy about the clip, I found it light and enjoyable, then he came along and threw his negativity on it. So I was not the one that replied. I asked nicely for him to not discuss that topic with me b/c he and I would not agree on it ever. And he made it clear that his mind would never change. (Which I accept) so what's done and said, was done and said. Damon tired to kill Caroline b/c at the time she was a threat and he got rid of ALL threats. Every one of those characters have tried to kill someone who was or HAS killed anyone who was a threat on the show. Why is Damon the only one being "outed" for his bad doings?? Give me a break. Caroline and Damon are BEYOND past all of that. And I think it's ridiculous to keep bringing up those situations when ALL the characters have done something worse to one another. ESPECIALLY, when it has nothing to do with the clip.
ReplyDeleteShe woke up "terrified" B/c he FED ON HER, and she didn't know what the hell a vampire was! Nothing more!! YOU can believe your own head canon, and make it more than it was. But it was never rape, and I don't have to bring anyone into "my thinking" b/c that was already planted in ones' head. Just b/c I'm stating the obvious of what never was, does not mean I'm "buying" off anyone.
And btw, he and i Have had a lot of conversations on many different topics, both agreeable, and non agreeable. So you putting in your two cents to try to make a point is pretty moot at this point, when the discussion has been over.
Ehhhh, I have to disagree. On the "whichever way they do it part." That's one thing that's always made me mad about the show. (Well not always but sometimes) like Caroline admitting her feelings, she was fine keeping it closed, until Enzo blew up her spot. I'm still not over that. He did it b/c he was offended by her words, (which I really don't see why b/c it was true! Stefan did team up with his sworn enemy) And then Stefan kinda pushed it out of her. I wanted Caroline to tell him on his own, b/c she was struggling with it, she at least owed that much. I hope that when he feelings for her are revealed it'll come from HIM and no one else. Not Damon, not Alaric, not Lexi in some way shape or form, but from Stefan alone! A nice heart to heart like they had at the hospital, or the one they had in the back of the car when they were laying down.
ReplyDelete"Feeding on people and erasing the memories" is not the basics of a vampire. Feeding on people is, but because earlier vampire fiction focused on female victims, their lack of memory was generally attributed to trauma. Contrast Dracula's Harker, who has a considerable amount of memory about the events he experience, with Lucy and Mina, who have no idea what's going on while they are being victimized. Once Lucy figures it out, Dracula attempts to hold her in his thrall, but this is different than memory erasure.
ReplyDeleteIdeas of hypnotism and female hysteria were extremely popular in the fin de siecle period. Emblified in literature by the titular Dracula and Trilby's Svengali, and in science by Freud's Studies in Hysteria case study about Frau von N. The idea of vampires holding people in thrall is chiefly rooted in this period, and subsequent interpretations which use Dracula as their chief inspiration. Previous literary efforts (Carmilla, Varney the Vampire) involved sleeping victims (a thread which Dracula somewhat maintained) while The Vampyre's Lord Ruthven relied entirely on his charisma and manipulation (although that story intentionally left out the gory details, instead focusing on psychological factors.)
Vampires that you see on television are literary, not mythological. While there are certainly vampires that exist in folklore, as well as vampiric myths in most cultures, they are not related to what you see on screen. The actual 'vampire' myth from ancient Europe depicted Vampires as the malevolent dead brought back as bloated, decaying corpses and usually did not have fangs. They were not mindless, but they were not exactly complicated psychological creatures either. The modern vampire is taken from the 19th century works that I've cited above, along with Lugosi's Dracula.
I fear that something bad would happen to her just to make Stefan realize it. He already said she was pretty much perfect what more does he need? I do however, would love to see Caroline go dark this season, THAT would be fun to watch. For a little while.
ReplyDeleteTO is so good right now. Given the manner in which Plec's work has shaken out, it seems clear that she needs a strong creative partner to keep her in line. We're not getting that on TVD, but we are on TO, which got better the farther away it was removed from Plec's original vision.
ReplyDeleteCouldn't agree more!
ReplyDelete...and definitely a male perspective.
ReplyDeleteOh im sorry i didn´t realize that only one train of thought was allowed here!
ReplyDeleteI was ok with how Caroline's feelings came out bc IMO she/they needed that push or things might never have moved forward lol. But ITA about wanting Stefan to admit to his feelings on his own. People have tried telling him, now it's time for Stefan to figure things out and make his move ;) And OMG don't mention the car scene!!! Love that sooo much, 1 of their best ever scenes together IMO :)
ReplyDeleteBc god knows, if there's one thing the world need more of, it's a male perspective on things?! There's such a shortage on that!!! Gosh I don't know why they put us silly women in charge of shows at all!!!
ReplyDeletePftt! That scene is in my top 5 (not sure which number tho) favorite steroline moments. lol I'm up right now. (can't sleep been up for 4 hrs it's 5:03am) watching recent Steroline fanmade vids. There's some good ones, (after this past episode of course) my feels are all over the place. lol can't wait for tonight. I hope today goes by fast.
ReplyDeleteYou misunderstood me completely!I said in this case,Julie worked so wellwith kevin back in season 1 & 2,And now in TO,with michael narducci.She is going completely overboard with fan pleas and pandering in TVD now that she and caroline are running it.It was directed against julie Based on the facts and results for all of us to see.I had never intended it to be a generalized comment against women.I respect them more than anything.
ReplyDeleteHe is not the most desirable guy for events like friendsgiving!LOL!Can lead to many awkward situations given how rash and blunt he is!
ReplyDeleteLove his bluntness - he would be perfect for this kind of thing. Plus I think he is into Caroline who could use some distraction from Stefan.
ReplyDeleteCaroline arranged for this whole event and considering he just outed her in front of stefan,i can't blame her for not including enzo in the guest list!She's still pissed,i assume.And yes,he is clearly into her,it couldn't be more clear.Seems like someone needs to out him in front of caroline!LOL!
ReplyDeleteLol, I feel ya! Just been watching a couple of joint Steroline & Delena vids, I'm sooo full of shippy feels rn!!! :)
ReplyDeleteI am saying what i'm seeing.TVD went downhill right after kevin williamson exit the show.The result is in front of everyone to see.It's not about who does the job better-man or woman.I believe it depends on the person,irrespective of sex.I didn't mean to offend anyone.
ReplyDeleteTotally understandable. I've been doing the same. But for me it's been Olicity and Steroline. Not so much DE. (Even thought they're my otp)
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