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Supernatural - Girls, Girls, Girls - Review

27 Nov 2014

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Supernatural, “Girls, Girls, Girls,” was written by Robert Berens and directed by Robert Singer. This was a somewhat oddly paced episode. I felt like I was watching three separate episodes as we saw a number of storylines wrap up and a few others jump off. What was most jarring is that the departure of Hannah (Erica Carroll) and the wrap up of the Cole (Travis Aaron Wade) storyline come after we haven’t even seen them either of them for several episodes.

This is the seventh episode of the season, and I feel like we’ve had a total of 30 minutes of both Crowley (Mark Sheppard) and Castiel (Misha Collins). In this episode, we do see Crowley’s interests come up against those of the brothers, but Castiel might as well be in a different show. It makes me wonder why they had to be made regulars, given how irregularly they are used on the show!

I will admit that I was not terribly impressed by Carroll’s acting last season, but I’ve been quite favorably impressed with her this season and what seems likely to be her swan song for the show is a terrific performance. Hannah’s struggle against the human influence of the host body has been fascinating to watch and draws some important issues about Cas to the surface. Many people have expressed concern about the ethics of Castiel evicting Jimmy Novak from his body.

We’ve seen Hannah gradually becoming more aware of the human vessel she’s inhabiting. It’s been pretty clear to the audience, even if Cas is typically oblivious, that she’s been harboring growing feelings for him. I loved the initial scene as we see them discussing strategy, and Hannah points out that the high profile rogues are all pretty much rounded up. Sounds a lot like their mission is really done, and they are both just trying to drag it out. It’s hilarious as Hannah simply strips naked – while Cas doesn’t even notice until she’s completely naked! Collins is terrific as always as Cas is caught completely flatfooted and has no idea where to look. He denies being bothered, but Hannah knows he’s not telling the truth. Collins’ body language in this scene is terrific as he holds his shoulders stiffly with his hands rigidly down by his sides – classic Cas awkward pose.

Carroll is terrific as we see Hannah’s conflict when Joe (Steve Belford) arrive on the scene, having put a trace on Caroline’s credit card. Hannah tries to put him off, but when he’s not deterred, she takes advantage of Cas’ return to say she left Joe for Cas. And then she kisses him – something it’s been clear that she’s wanted to do for some time. However, the mix of her own ‘feelings’ with those of Caroline’s proves to be the catalyst for Hannah’s revelation. She tells Cas that she could have erased Joe’s memory but that didn’t feel right and now she feels terrible for having hurt him. Cas then opens up to Hannah about Jimmy and his wife and their daughter Claire. We’ve just seen how difficult this was for Joe, so it drives home that Cas did this not once but twice – assuming season four was long enough ago that we’ve forgotten that episode’s impact. Cas excuses what they do to their vessels as necessary because the mission comes first, always.

What the mission has become is what bothers Hannah. This was a beautifully shot scene with them beginning the conversation on a bridge – a frequent motif in the show often demarcating a decision – see how often the final brother scene takes place under a bridge or with one in the background. This bridge is tellingly in a park or at least the countryside. Remember that Cas’ favorite heaven is a park. They continue their conversation walking beside a stream – water under the bridge and all that.

Hannah tells Cas that she’s not coming with him. She says it’s hard letting go of the story (see Dean’s (Jensen Ackles) final words to Cole), the mission. Hannah points out that their real mission has always been about humans. She feels it’s time to put the humans first, it’s time to step aside. She tells him that she was starting to enjoy the human feelings and passions but once she felt Caroline’s love for Joe, she realized the difference between her own feelings and the human’s within her. She kisses him on the cheek before releasing her grace and returning to heaven. The last scene we have of Cas is after he’s dropped Caroline at her home. He’s googling Jimmy Novak. So, is Cas considering returning his vessel to Jimmy? Isn’t Jimmy categorically dead? Is Cas considering taking up Jimmy’s life when his own grace runs out?

I have a lot of problems with this storyline – even while it does solve the problem of the angel storyline without having to lose Misha Collins. The references back to “The Rapture” in season four beg the comparison to how angels functioned then and how they function now. When Cas returned to heaven in that episode, he left his vessel behind. Why then, are the angels continually taking their bodies to heaven? How does that even work? When Dean and Sam (Jared Padalecki) went to heaven in “Dark Side of the Moon” their bodies stayed in the hotel room where they were killed. This all makes sense, right? If Hannah is completely gone from Caroline when her grace leaves the body, doesn’t that make the grace Hannah? If that’s the case, how is Cas even still Cas? Shouldn’t he have ceased to exist when Metatron (Curtis Armstrong) took his grace? Shouldn’t he become those other angels when their grace enters his vessel? And why are they using a car, credit cards, and google? Aren’t they angels? Remember when that meant something? I suppose we can assume they have to stay off the angel radar, but if they are doing heaven’s work – Hannah has no issue about going back after all – why should they have to?

I will concede that the theme of the importance of the mission does nicely transition into Dean and Sam’s storyline in the episode. The hunt for Rowena (Ruth Connell) is actually the least important part of the episode for them. Honestly, did they save anyone in this episode except Cole? Catlin (Chelsea Hobbs) saved herself from Rowena by punching her. Dean’s confrontation with Cole was terrifically acted by both Wade and Ackles. The fight scene was good, and I particularly liked the slow motion shot of Wade going through the windshield – and then the close up of him crawling back out. The heart of the episode was Dean’s conversation with Cole.

It was really refreshing for Dean to tell Cole that he was “going to clean this mess up once and for all.” It’s felt like the writers are trying to do that a bit this season – see the above discussion about Jimmy Novak. When Dean hands Cole the gun, the scene did take on a patina of suicide by cop – is Dean at the point where he once again feels he is getting what he deserves? He tells Cole that his whole life is about hunting and killing monsters. He also reveals that he actually remembers every detail of the hunt that resulted in Cole’s father’s death. He carries that weight with him and he doesn’t carry it lightly. I thought it was very weak writing for Cole’s father to be a monster that Dean had never seen before or again and couldn’t name. If it was my father, I certainly wouldn’t have been convinced by that explanation. Did Dean make a mistake?

There’s a really nice moment between Padalecki and Ackles when Sam arrives and pulls his gun on Cole – also a nice echo to Cole doing the same thing to Dean. Dean just looks at his brother and an entire conversation occurs wordlessly between them, ending with Sam accepting his brother’s request and lowering his gun. Cole asks Dean how he can believe him when his whole life has been about revenge.

        Dean replies, “I get it. That was your story. I got one of those too. Those sotries that we tell us that keep us going? Sometimes they blind us. They take us to dark places. The kind of place where I might beat the crap out of a good man just for the fun of it. The people that love me, they pulled me back from that edge. Once you touch that darkness it never goes away.” There’s a great shot of Wade pulling back in horror at this point in the conversation – it’s a great reaction and wonderfully caught. Dean continues, “The truth is, I’m past saving.” And here’s there’s a great reaction shot of Padalecki frowning. Sam is clearly worried about his brother and doesn’t accept his conclusion.

        Again, Dean continues, “I know how my story ends. It’s at the edge of a blade or the barrel of a gun.” While this sounds like a great line, I wish they’d spent a bit more time getting it to be grammatically parallel – picky, I know… Dean continues, “So the question is, is that going to be today? It gonna be that gun?” At which point, Sam jumps in to really give Cole a reason to walk away, reminding him that he has a family that wants him to come home, and they need him “to come back whole” – not as a monster like Cole’s own father did.

Cole gives up the gun and heads back after a chat with Dean. But Sam is still worried about what Dean said and asks him if he meant it. Dean says he only said what he thought Cole needed to hear, but it doesn’t seem like either of them believe that. The final shot of the two is heading down the dark alley together, but they aren’t side by side. Dean is slightly ahead with Sam trailing and there’s a good distance between them. Remember last week when they got into the Impala and shut the doors in unison? I suspect that this season isn’t going to tear the brothers apart even as we see them struggle. Dean has at least now recognized that he has a support system – and we see that Sam has his back in both the confrontation with Cole and as they end the episode, so I’ll take that all as a good sign.

Of course there are some light hearted moments in the show and it’s always fun to watch the brothers banter. Dean taking an eight hour detour for a hook up with a woman he met through a dating site is pretty classic Dean – though remember the good old days when he didn’t even know what MySpace was? And really, how prophetic of him – who does now! While Sam is willing to believe his brother would travel that far for a steak – though it’s also clear he lead him to believe there might be a hunt – Sam is the one to immediately suspect a scam because of how over the top Shaylene (Elysia Rotaru) is in her texts. I loved Crowley’s objection to the sex trade being that he doesn’t mind being evil, but that’s tacky. I also loved Rowena asking Crowley if he was the King of Lilliput because he’s so short – which, did you notice how tiny she is?

Dean’s screen name – Impala67 – is hilariously perfect. His profile is actually pretty honest, but anybody else concerned that he’s given out his real name and the location of the bunker? And who exactly took that picture? It’s not a selfie… It was a nice transition to from Dean’s pick up to the awkward scene of Hannah’s barely veiled invitation to Cas and then back to Dean’s hookup.

It was fun to watch Dean go from horny to hunter and then get the upper hand on the demon with Sam’s help. This of course leads them to Raul’s Girls where they find dead demons and a hex bag. Nice touch to have Dean put down his drink as soon as Sam says it’s a witch. The rest of the hunt is pretty routine and also pretty unproductive. However, one quick quibble – if only one witch ever used that spell and knew it, how did it get on the Internet?

We finally get to meet Rowena in this episode after having been teased with her in the very first episode. Connell is terrific, and I’m looking forward to a lot more of her. We learn more about witches in this episode, and I do like that the writers have at least tried to make a bridge with their previously established rules for witches. We learn there are three kinds of witches: Borrowers get their power from demons (this is the kind we are familiar with), Naturals are born with their gifts (Rowena), and Students are mentored by someone from the Grand Coven and can be taught witchcraft. We learn that Rowena has been hiding from the Grand Coven who threw her out because they felt her magic was too extreme.

However, we get no explanation of how she’s managed to make it from the 18th century to the present. And she’s clearly not a great witch because she clearly loses control of her magic. It can’t be her intention for the head waiter’s brains to boil before they get their dessert or for Elle (Kirsten Comerford) to die before killing Sam. Of course, the biggest reveal is that Rowena is Crowley’s mother! I think the cat was largely out of the bag on that one as it had been spoiled pretty extensively. I wonder if Crowley will now help his dear old mum refine her craft?

This episode wasn’t without its powerful scenes. However, it really underscores the weaknesses of the overall season plotting. Both Hannah and Cole’s departures seemed very abrupt. I’m definitely going to miss that wide-eyed, awkward angel response to humanity from Hannah that Carroll was really nailing. Clearly, we now have the next storyarcs put in place. Cas will question the continued use of his vessel or possibly see Jimmy’s former life as a possible future. And yes, I’m aware of another returning character… Crowley must deal with the return of his mother. Dean is struggling with what he’s done and whether he has a future. If he’s no longer blinded by his “story” or “mission” what does that leave him. What mission is talking about? He’s already revenged his mother and saved his brother and stopped the apocalypse. What did you think of the episode? Did you find the departures satisfying or too abrupt? Let me know your thoughts in the comments below!

About the Author - Lisa Macklem
I do interviews and write articles for the site in addition to reviewing a number of shows, including Supernatural, Arrow, Agents of Shield, The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, Forever, Defiance, Bitten, Glee, and a few others! Highlights of this past year include covering San Diego Comic Con as press and a set visit to Bitten. When I'm not writing about television shows, I'm often writing about entertainment and media law in my capacity as a legal scholar. I also work in theatre when the opportunity arises. I'm an avid runner and rider, currently training in dressage.

64 comments:

  1. And why are [angels] using a car, credit cards, and google? Aren’t they angels? Remember when that meant something?


    That has been the status quo since the beginning of season 9 - most of that angels burned off their wings during the fall and apparently that means the loss of their ability to teleport. The only angel we've seen teleporting since then is Metatron who was not part of the fall. The others use cars and buses when they are in a vessel. I'm guessing the loss of that ability comes with several other limitations like loss of remote-viewing - which is why they are not as omniscient as before and need to use human technology to gather information.

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  2. That should have been all moot once Metatron lost control of heaven. Once they could get back to heaven they should have been fully restored - at the very least that was my assumption, but perhaps I'm being too logical... Maybe just a good way for the writers to avoid the deus ex machina that angels always presented...

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  3. Really unrelated question, but what happened to the ghostly veil? Remember when Kevin couldn't move on and he and his mother drove off into the sunset? As the Angels only got to heaven again through a back door, what's happened to the dead? I'm guessing that I've missed something?

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  4. Not exactly - Metatron may have been dethroned but his spell is still in effect. Which is why Castiel's grace is still missing and which is why the angels still use the playground to get in and out of heaven.

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  5. I'm guessing that since the angels have established a route to heaven through the playground, they are using it to ferry souls. I hope so, anyway.

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  6. My overall impression of the episode was this: I liked it quite a lot, but I still felt underwhelmed. I liked that they are moving the story forward and giving resolution to some threads, but I feel like they could've done it better.


    1. Castiel and Hannah's "collect-the-angels" plotline was boring. I'm really glad they wrapped it up and I really hope they don't bring the heavenly politics back again. It was an emotionally unsatisfying arc with emotionally unsatisfying end.


    2. I liked Rowena, but I wish she'd been more impressive. Initially, she did live up to the expectation - sitting in a hotel with dead employees or coolly killing a demon. But then she couldn't moderate her magic to avoid killing the waiter, got cornered by the demons, then by the Winchesters and then by demons again - and having a lucky escape the first two times - I'd expected more from the 300-year old mother-of-Crowley. And what we've seen of her backstory is pretty pathetic as well - she has been hotel-hopping for 300 years and now she decides to take on students? And her first attempt is such a disaster? I really would've liked her to be much more badass - not magically powerful, but more deceptive and well-prepared.



    3. I liked the expansion of witch mythology and I liked how well her powers mesh with what I regard as the spirit of Supernatural-verse. One of the things I like about the show is its element of realism in portrayal of Supernatural - like demons not having horns and tails and bad skin and witches not throwing around balls of light or telekinetically strangling people or poofing things out of thin air. Recent portrayal of witches was starting to lose that element - I mean, if you have witches strong enough to take down Leviathans or freely shifting between animal and human form or moving things with their mind way more easily than demons then witchcraft should be a much bigger danger. I'd be glad if Supernatural goes back to the classic hex-bag using witch-craft, even though I wouldn't like the retcon involved.


    4. Rowena being Crowley's mother - a great twist, but one that anyone who's read the casting call for a witch with Scottish accent could see coming a mile off.



    5. Resolution of Cole's arc could've been done better - if, in fact, this is a resolution. Assuming this is the last time we see Cole, they could've given him a better send-off, i.e. a bigger impact than having Dean say "I'm beyond saving". My ideal solution would've been Cole hearing Dean out, hearing his explanation and hearing all about how he felt beyond saving and then choosing to believe his version of the story. He'd then raise his gun to shoot Dean and Sam shoots him in the back instead. We've been hearing a lot about how Sam had crossed some lines to save Dean and how that is a part of this season's arc. This would've reflected it perfectly.

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  7. Regarding the angels in vessel in Heaven, it's obviously done for visual purposes. The show doesn't have the budget to do "real angels." I just see Heaven as another dimension, a physical body can enter it, it's just humans never had access to it, if that makes sense.

    Grace is just a power source, it's been said plenty of times on the show. I can only assume they made how the angels enter/exit a host purely for the visual aesthetic, they wanted something more visual than a beam of light like in "The Rapture", and also probably wanted to add a sort dichotomy to demons/angels. But grace and the actual angel/personality are two separate things.



    Just because Metatron has been defeated, doesn't mean his spell reversed. Angels don't have wings anymore, so they have to travel by more conventional means as they can't teleport.

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  8. Like your alternative scenario about Cole but my guess they have to keep character alive for potential spin-off. He would make a great newbie hunter on a quest of finding who his unique monster daddy was.

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  9. Good question. I suspect they are getting in again now that the doors are open - but you think they might have checked, right? Might be important...

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  10. If that's the case, there are a lot of implications that make it ridiculous that this isn't more or a priority. Castiel's grace was "used up" in the spell - it no longer exists... another rather large logical problem..

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  11. OH! I actually LIKE this idea!

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  12. The episode was all right. Not the best ever, but it had some nice moments. I was surprised they wrapped up Hannah and Cole in the same episode. I was okay with Hannah's exit, but I thought Cole's storyline would end with a little more oomph. Though I didn't care for him much anyway. The scene between Dean, Cole, and Sam was definitel for me, the heart of the episode. Rowena underwhelmed me.

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  13. Having Sam shoot a person in the back, essentially in cold blood, wouldn't be something I think they could come back from. Either for Sam's character or the brothers' relationship after Dean asked him not too. And while Sam did terrible things to get his brother back, now that he is back, I think he may be regretting those things... Definitely wrapped the Cole's story up too quickly with a lame, your dad was a monster but I don't know what kind answer.

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  14. Clearly they have the same "vessel" for us to be able to recognize them BUT that doesn't change the fact that when Castiel was recalled to heaven in The Rapture, he had to leave behind his vessel... It's just another instance of how canon has been changed from S1-5. Which, I think I'm just going to treat as a separate entity....


    I definitely get the point about Metatron's spell not being reversed - though I foolishly just thought it had been. Accepting that that is the case, there are still a lot of problems associated with that. Shouldn't _somebody_ be working on reversing the spell??? Just a thought...

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  15. She's just such a BAD witch! I loved the actress though and can't wait to see her and Mark Sheppard work together. I was ok with Hannah's exit - I think they did right by the character and it's going to segue into what's next for Cas nicely, I think. But I was just starting to really enjoy Carroll in the role... so a bit disappointed by that...

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  16. If that’s the case, how is Cas even still Cas? Shouldn’t he have ceased to exist when Metatron (Curtis Armstrong) took his grace? Shouldn’t he become those other angels when their grace enters his vessel?

    Cas hasn't just been his grace since the first time he was killed and resurrected in late season 4. Their grace keeps him going physically but doesn't change who he is.

    Honestly, did they save anyone in this episode except Cole?



    Shaylene.


    This season has had some good moments, and hasn't had the low lows of early season 9, but it feels very aimless. Other than Dean's story, everything seems to be on the fly. It's tough to really react. I don't think the show is terrible, but I also don't think it's in any way focused.


    I don't mind MOTW episodes, but choosing to have 3 back-to-back MOTW episodes means wrapping up stories way too quickly; it wasn't all that fair to Robert Berens. I think he did a decent job, but things like Hannah having romantic feelings for Cas got in the way of the more powerful elements of the story (her loyalty to her vessel). The scene where Caroline recognized Cas was a beautiful moment - it took me back to remembering Jimmy talk about how he saw and felt everything. It's nice to see vessels not treated as corpses for once. I just wish Erica Carroll didn't have to go.


    I've never cared about Cole, but I think he worked as a mirror for what Dean became and didn't want Cole to be. I think we'll see him again, but if we do, I hope it won't just be for angst and grief porn.


    The direction of this episode was so flat. Not a big Bob Singer fan.


    I was more pleased than I should have been that the prostitutes were given some personality and a few were allowed to live.


    Rowena - at first she annoyed me, but the actress has some charm. Does she remind you of Bernadette Peters? And Julie Brown (Earth Girls Are Easy)? I'm not sure where they'll take her but I hope she may not get the same treatment most female antagonists get, as she seems unique.


    Berens is much better at writing Crowley than most of the other writers.


    I just hope we find out where these stories are heading soon. Last season we were clearly building up to the big reveal with "Ezekiel," and while I know a lot of fans hated that story, I thought it was good for pacing/momentum, and for Dean's character (and should have been for Sam's...). I'm not quite sure what they'll have for a midseason finale this year. It's a lot of stuff in separate baggies. This isn't always bad - the show has a lot of different types of fans - but I just hope this starts to seem less like an allergy to plotting.


    Now that AV Club isn't doing SPN you're the only review I read for the show, so thanks for that.

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  17. Metatron claims some is still around.

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  18. The MoC and Rowena are clearly the main arcs of the season, but Carver his intent is to do more personal journeys of the characters. Specifically that they will all be confronted with people from their pasts, and make choices about who the are. We've already Dean/Cole, Hannah/Joe, we got Crowley/Rowena, Cas/Claire, coming up. Curious to see what/who Sam's person will be.

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  19. That very well may be in the cards, we'll have to wait and see.

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  20. So he claims... which of course allows them to do whatever they want. I'd actually like there to be some of his grace around to explain why he's around...

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  21. From your lips to Chuck's ears!

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  22. I like the idea of that, I just think the execution is a little rough. For instance, not making it more clear if Cole was just going to be around briefly. And having all the stuff with Hannah wanting Cas. I think this plus the episode gaps sort of makes the material, outside of Dean's story, a little tough to totally commit to.

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  23. Ah, but Cas' vessel was always exploded, theoretically keeping his grace and therefore Cas alive!
    Yes! You are right, they did save Shaylene!
    Unfocused is an excellent description.
    Carroll did a fantastic job in this episode - and has all season. It really felt like she, at least, went back and watched those early episodes. She felt like an angel to me. Having her trying to cope with human feelings and having her project them onto Cas I liked because it upped the stakes in her choosing her vessel over herself.
    I've seen it floated that Cole may be the new plant for a spinoff. That could be interesting... And he worked very well as that mirror to Dean.
    I usually like Singer - but mainly because he draws great performances out of the leads - which I think he did in every instance here.
    Yep - I loved that Caitlyn saved herself.
    I'm quite liking Rowena - hadn't thought of her as Peters, but I can see it... I always fear what they will do with the women... and what the reception will be.
    I liked the Ezekiel plotting too and I completely get the baggy analogy too. From spoilers etc, it looks like the mid-season finale is going to center around Cas - but that could just be smoke and mirrors to throw us off the scent.
    Thanks for continuing to read! I very much enjoy your responses!

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  24. Technically, Dean did also save Catlin. While she stood up for herself, if Dean didn't show up Rowena would have hit her with a spell and killed her.

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  25. What would be really interesting for the end of the season if there was a mass exodus of angels leaving their vessels on Earth. An inverse of the fall in season 8. It would be a nice way to bring an end to the angel storyline, them realizing the original mission and watching over humanity, not interacting with it.

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  26. I was really hoping that it was something a little more, but it makes you wonder if there was something deeper and darker involved with that that Dean just didn't tell Cole. I was kind of hoping that perhaps it was one of Dean's first cases alone, and he messed up some how, or if it had something to do with him being distracted at the time(I assume that only because 2003 was the supposed year that Sam left for college, and when Sam had a huge fight with John) but here is hoping that Cole makes a return of some kind, either as friend or foe... just not as the vengeful idiot wanting to kill Dean
    Anyway, to the Sam thing..... it kind of makes you think about what deal he made with Crowley to get Dean's location. Remember when he and Sam were talking, Crowley says "Now shall we discuss the fee" then it cuts to another scene. But what more can he take from Sam? He has owned his soul, had his blood, and has possessed him, not to mention he saved his life once or twice. So it should be interesting to see that come up later. :D

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  27. lol I just noticed this, but Dean's dating profile description was the one Jensen gave at Comicon hilarious!!!!

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  28. Remember when he and Sam were talking, Crowley says "Now shall we
    discuss the fee" then it cuts to another scene. But what more can he
    take from Sam? He has owned his soul, had his blood, and has possessed
    him, not to mention he saved his life once or twice. So it should be
    interesting to see that come up later. :D


    I think Crowley's 'fee' was the First Blade. Sam removed the Blade from Demon Dean as part of capturing Demon Dean. Sam gave the FB to Crowley for to do whatever with, hopefully throw into a volcano ;)

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  29. Exactly. The angels need to reverse Metatron's spell somehow to regain their 'wings' - assuming it's possible as Crowley's translation in 9.06 Heaven Can't Wait indicated the spell was irreversible. But I think that Metatron dropped a clue when he said he still had some of Cas's original grace left - the angels/Cas need to find where Metatron stashed it.

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  30. The problem is bigger than that - the spell came from the tablet which is now broken. It makes sense that any possible counter can be found there and there alone - but there are no more prophets to translate it and Metatron ain't talking.

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  31. It wouldn't be in cold blood, it'd be in his bother's defense - Sam rushes to the scene, hears his brother say "I'm past saving. The only question is whether I'm dying today." Sees the revenge-obsessed guy raising his gun at his brother and fires his own weapon immediately. I think it could've been the perfect level of dark - something bad but not something they couldn't come back from.

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  32. Not sure there is much potential here, specially after the last disastrous attempt at spin-off.

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  33. But that's not the way it happened. Sam could shoot him in the shoulder, leg, etc and have the same effect....

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  34. Can't say whether Rowena's spell would have nailed her...


    That would make sense...

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  35. I think that would be perfect too!

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  36. Nope, that'd still give Cole a chance to kill Dean.

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  37. I agree - they have a number of ways they could go down that storyline if they wanted to. I'm just saying that if they don't want to, they have a good enough excuse not to.

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  38. Anna didn't have her grace at first, but she was still an angel. Or rather, a human but with the ability to hear angels and retained her angel 'self', she never possessed a body though, someone just made her human? Can't remember how that went. But yeah, my point is, she was herself without her grace.
    I see grace like an angel's soul. Not to the extreme of soulless Sam, of course, but it seems like it's something separate from their physical 'self' (.the concept of who they are and how they think), and is still a vital part of them.

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  39. I think you are missing the point of my hypothetical scenario. I'm suggesting the whole thing done differently - meaning, Dean didn't see Sam approach with a gun, Sam didn't know that Dean was trying to "talk Cole down" at the moment, Sam didn't think Cole could be reasoned with now or in future, Sam didn't know that Dean actually won the fight and handed Cole the gun himself in a bid to get him to listen and Dean wasn't able to convince Cole about his side of the story - all he sees when he gets to the scene is a revenge obsessed guy seconds away from killing his brother and he takes action instinctively.

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  40. Sorry. I didn't "miss" the point. I don't see the point in this hypothetical speculation. I'm happy the story unfolded in the way it did.

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  41. AH! Now THIS is an excellent point! I'd completely forgotten about Anna's grace problem! I think she managed to be essentially popped into the baby that her mother was expecting... And I also see their grace as like their soul - but maybe they can exist separately from it - as you say like soulless Sam... So maybe the fact that Cas is still alive is the best evidence that not all his grace is gone?

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  42. The point of this hypothetical speculation is this: The way Cole's story unfolded seems pretty pointless. If this is the end of his arc - as it seems to be - then he didn't have any lasting impact on the show. He might as well have not existed at all. The speculation here provides a way to make his arc significant and for the writers to actually deliver on something they promised.

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  43. I'd made these comments reply to someone else - so apologies if it seems apropos nothing - but here's my theory about angels, grace and souls.

    "The human soul - let's call it hsoul - is personality and power source
    put in one. The angel soul - asoul - is simply personality and it is
    attached to a separate power source called "grace". Normally when angels
    switch bodies, they shift both grace and asoul together. Anna separated
    her asoul from grace - which is why she was able to regain all her
    memories before getting her grace back. She also displayed qualities
    characteristic of having an asoul - tapping into angel radio,
    identifying demons by sight - without having her grace. Similarly, in
    season 5, Castiel used up all his grace - his power source - but still
    retained his asoul. The only difference is, unlike hsoul, asoul doesn't
    have its own power source which is why it is not of any value to demons
    or other creatures."

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  44. I think Anna's mother was barren, so I think was just Anna's angel form popping into her womb, or something. I don't know. But Anna did that the older she got, the more she began to forget that she was an angel.

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  45. As Cyana said, the fee was the First Blade.

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  46. Yes. That's it exactly.

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  47. Here are some of my big expectations from season 9 which have fallen through as of this episode.



    When Cole first came onscreen with his vendetta and we heard that a powerful witch called Rowena was going to make an appearance, I assumed that there would be a connection between the two. Specifically, I thought that Rowena was about to start making some big moves against Hell in a bid for power, she saw demon Dean as a powerful weapon in Crowley's arsenal and so she set Cole up as a distraction of sorts. She found out about this guy as someone with a grudge against Dean and pointed him in the right direction by sending him the surveillance photo. I was fully expecting her to continue manipulating Cole into serving her needs at critical moments (as he unwittingly did here), knowing that Winchesters wouldn't kill an innocent man and leave her free to pursue the demons.



    This was the storyline I was expecting and its absence leaves quite a few plotholes. Who was feeding information to Cole? How did he find Dean in this episode? Last time he had to go through a few gambits to find Dean and now he just randomly shows up? How exactly did he track them down so precisely in this episode?

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  48. Great review (and a great episode, in my opinion!).

    Can someone find me a similar quote to this: "So the question is, is that going to be today? Is it going to be that gun?" I'm pretty sure I've heard it before on SPN, but I can't remember who said it.

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  49. That hasn't been said in the show, the part before it about how Dean says he's going to die has though.

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  50. when did he say that it was The Blade was the fee? I must have missed that little bit. I'll just have to watch the episode again

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  51. You're probably right. Maybe I confuse that line with something that's been said on another series.

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  52. I like so much the episode, Rowena has the chance to be one of the best villains of mythology, perhaps better than the current king of hell ...which was, moreover, set aside this season. I wasn't prepared to say goodby to Hannah... I like this character. I expected more from Cole, were few holdings, and this character had great potential, it is a pity.

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  53. Crowley didn't say, I felt that it was implicit in the scene where Sam gave the FB to Crowley and said ' This doesn't make us even'. I doubt Crowley will try to hard to get rid of the FB beyond keeping it out of reach of average demons - I agree and the FB should resurface at some point. Dean hasn't even tried yet to find Cain let alone keep his promise.

    I like your scenario, Rowena locates it somehow and gives it to Dean reactivating the full force of the Mark, possibly with the intent of Dean's killing Crowley, her son.

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  54. Agree again. 'Heaven' could be mostly fixed again, by the use of the 'permanent (playground) portal' allowing a "Stairway to Heaven" rather than giving the angels back the means (Wings) to teleport.

    But I have problems with that as the solution. As another poster here said 'what about the souls trapped in the veil?' In 9.22 Tessa said that she couldn't help them - do her job, she was in agony - in spite of the then 'movable portal' and I feel the this is the sole 'plotpoint' where the 'Reapers are Angels' makes sense. The spell that cast the angels out caused their wings to burn off; without 'wings' the Reapers can't teleport in and out of the Veil to ferry souls to Heaven/Hell.

    I think this 'souls trapped in the veil' is too important for the show not to directly address at some point. The show could say 'the Reapers erected a permanent portal in/out the Veil, too and just never bothered mentioning it' but I think this would a huge cheat - Kevin is trapped in the veil.

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  55. Thanks! We've definitely heard the sentiment before, but I can't recall the exact words though. It really almost felt like the famous "Do you feel lucky today" from Dirty Harry....

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  56. I thought Rowena had better potential before we see that she really has very little control over her own magic - I like the idea of her teaming up with her son though...

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  57. The whole "reapers were angels all along" retcon is a complete mess and I'd rather the show-runners don't touch it with a ten foot pole. Reapers used to have a ghostly/mortician appearance but now they have to possess humans? Angels haven't been active on Earth for thousands of years, but reapers, who are angels, have a day job there? Dean had to have a near-death experience to summon and talk to Tessa one time and the next time he needs a reaper, he calls a cab? They are incorporeal beings and yet they possess taxi-drivers?

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  58. Believe me - I agree and I think it's gotta be the worst retcon the show ever did! It's just in this case (souls trapped in the Veil) it could work even though it makes me want to vomit just to think that. You could also be right and the show will let the trapped soul problem have been taken care of off camera by opening portals into the veil.

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  59. OMG - Dean not knowing what the monster was? RIGHT? So agree with you on this.
    I had high expectations for that storyline too and dropping the ball over that major gaff - just ugh.


    Maybe Crowley is still keeping tabs on Dean? Maybe? The shadow hunter world had been around since Weekend at Bobby's if not before, so I'll let that one go.


    Rowena had potential, but they've already dropped the ball there. She clearly has no control over her "power" and really, if you're using hex bags to do everything how does that make her any different than Missouri using the hex bags to cleanse the house in S1 "Home"? I'd be a lot more interested if she was a powerful, competent witch. I give them points for at least trying to explain that there are 3 different kinds of witches, but what part of they've already done witches do they not get - retcon again?


    Totally agree with your assessment on the Cas/Hannah story. Although I thought they finally got interesting with Hannah only to dump her and I liked how Carroll had grown into the role this season. NO interest in the Claire storyline at all I'm afraid.


    No worries about the length! Always great to read your take!
    And after having to come to really dislike Sam, I'm also enjoying getting to like him again!

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  60. I don't think it's a brothers thing but a partners thing. I have yet to see brothers. Who wouldn't save a partner they trusted? Sell your soul or punch your brother out cold to protect him from the fight you're heading into that's a brotherly thing to do Sam sacrificed nothing in getting Dean back so it wasn't a brotherly thing to me. Also I don't believe Dean led Sam to believe there was a case as much as Sam assume they were their for a case.

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  61. I liked this episode. I finally feel like we're getting somewhere. I've liked the last three episodes quite a bit :D

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  62. Alot seem to like Sam this year maybe it is because he is being seen to be acting in a way they find acceptable. Considering what Dean did to him last year his reaction regardless of what it was should of been understood , however given this fandom,s panache for only seeing Dean then it does not surprise me that Sam is now alright because he is behaving in the manner and criteria he is supposed to for this fandom.

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  63. My poor Cas, he finally has someone on his team and she leaves him.

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  64. I wish they'd bring him back into the main plot...

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